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Speaker 1: Y oh, heck y ass Morning Combat and it's.

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Speaker 2: Back with a bang. Monday, August twenty sixth, twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: I'm your boy, Brian Campbell of CBS Sports and sitting

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Speaker 2: in for the Honky Donk Man himself. Luke Thomas is

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Speaker 2: Chuck Mindenhall, the man in the hat of the athletic

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Speaker 2: veteran journalist here. Great to have your Luke Thomas on

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Speaker 2: assignment in Greater DC.

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Speaker 1: Something about jury duty.

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Speaker 2: Maybe standing trial murder may have been the case that

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Speaker 2: they've given him.

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Speaker 1: But great to have you here. Oh, it's good to

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Speaker 1: be back. It feels like a little while. Put it right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: man in the day, right, tell me hat you got?

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Speaker 1: I mean people, and these are the questions people have

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Speaker 1: won you. I really want to know.

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Speaker 2: I probably got about twenty I'd say about twenty good information.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot to talk about in the world's

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Speaker 2: of Mixed Martial arts boxing.

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Speaker 1: Let me tickle the.

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Speaker 2: Rim a little bit about pro wrestling.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you get down like that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to find that out there, but let's hit

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Speaker 2: it right off the top with the biggest story of

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Speaker 2: the week. He's back. Conor McGregor, No he's not fighting,

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Speaker 2: but he is out of hibernation at least for now.

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Speaker 2: Doing his first public interview in almost a full year,

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Speaker 2: when he sat down with ESPN's Area Al Hawani for

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Speaker 2: a remorseful forty one minute chat which touched on some

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Speaker 2: of the issues of late I'm not sure, Chuck, looking

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Speaker 2: back at this, whether a lot of talking in circles

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Speaker 2: and we didn't learn anything, or if you can put

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Speaker 2: on your psychologist cap, maybe dig through a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to hear what you got from it. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to pass you the microphone first so you can bust.

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Speaker 1: Like a bubble kind of actually say anything here.

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Speaker 3: Nothing that made sense to me in the way that

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Speaker 3: we know Connor McGregor, right. It struck me as a

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Speaker 3: guy that was going through somewhat of an identity crisis.

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Speaker 3: To be honest with you, man, we were watching him

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Speaker 3: kind of stumble for words, stammering a lot. He was

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Speaker 3: was being repetitive at points. Obviously the agenda was to

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Speaker 3: go on and make an apology.

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Speaker 1: He did.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't a good look in that sense, because when

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Speaker 3: is he ever contrite?

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Speaker 1: You know, when does he ever do that sort of thing?

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Speaker 3: So the whole thing, I guess I watched it with

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Speaker 3: was like, when is there going to be something going on?

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Speaker 3: I think that the only thing that really came out

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Speaker 3: little bit was just that he says he's ready to

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Speaker 3: fight again. He was dropping some names, he was doing

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Speaker 3: that kind of thing. But otherwise, this is a different

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Speaker 1: That's what struck me.

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Speaker 3: And you think of it, you know, he was for

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Speaker 3: so long he was trying to live up to the

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Speaker 3: part of that ride. We're all sidecard to whatever he.

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Speaker 1: Was going to do. Vicariously, we were going right through

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Speaker 3: Other end of that and he has to live down

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Speaker 3: that notorious label, and that's a whole that's a whole

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Speaker 3: different angle, And I'm not sure he.

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Speaker 1: Touched on a lot of good stuff right there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately, if we're gonna ask what did we learned,

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Speaker 1: We found out that he was hoping to come back

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Speaker 2: He was even looking at potentially a July card at

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Speaker 1: I just mean he looked beaten down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he looked like he knew he had to deliver

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Speaker 2: As Look, there's one thing there's a reason we felt

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Speaker 2: It was what he was selling. He was selling unfiltered,

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Speaker 2: pure passionate confidence, unadulterated, irrational, obsessive confidence. And I think

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Speaker 2: He had us all trans post to the screen at

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Speaker 2: all times. But I didn't see that hunger back. I

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Speaker 2: didn't see what you just mentioned. That character the Notorious.

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Speaker 2: And here's the deal, Chuck, When you put so much

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Speaker 2: there's some expectations with that to carry that from a

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Speaker 1: I think it went on too long.

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Speaker 2: I think it wasn't really the best look, whether you're

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Speaker 1: I was confused coming out of it.

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Speaker 3: You wonder to what extent that him watching Nate Diaz. Now, remember,

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Speaker 3: Connor has even done a good job in this hiatus,

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Speaker 2: Like, wait about around the psychology couture.

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Speaker 3: I think yes, you do under that though, you do

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Speaker 3: wonder to what extent he's saying like all of a

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Speaker 1: That has to play into his lot.

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Speaker 2: Right now, in the old scheme business structure of UFC,

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Speaker 2: he can calls on shots like no fighter had ever

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Speaker 1: That's obvious. He was the biggest pay per.

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Speaker 2: View drawing fighter the sport's ever seen. Gotta be the

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Speaker 1: I think he nailed it.

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Speaker 2: I saw a guy just longing for people to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: remember me, Hey how about me? And look I'm asking

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Speaker 2: live his life moving forward. He recognized some of his missteps,

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Speaker 2: just a little bit confused on where his fighting spirit is.

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Speaker 2: And that's ultimately what matters in the end. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter about the whiskey. You can use your fighting fame

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Speaker 2: Every time you talk, people are tweeting and writing about it.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't go back to that well and

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Speaker 2: pump it a few times. And what I'm saying ultimately

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Speaker 2: is I don't need forty one minutes of him apologizing

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Speaker 1: He's not humble, He's never been humble. That's why we

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Speaker 1: love him. Well, that's what I need him to fight.

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Speaker 1: I kept waiting for him to come out of that.

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Speaker 3: if that's the Connor McGregor that's coming back. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure that. First of all, he has an uphill battle

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Speaker 3: don't know how he's going to overcome that as he

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Speaker 3: can't so that type of thing, like he's jumped.

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Speaker 1: The shark in multiple ways.

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Speaker 3: If we're being honest, and there's still this, let's face it, man,

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Speaker 3: there's this sexual assault thing that's kind of hovering over

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Speaker 3: the whole situation. We don't know the extent of that

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Speaker 1: Well, comes to a point if you're not fighting, who

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Speaker 2: Like? We certainly sold his soul with a certain degree

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you got to

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Speaker 1: Winning always cures all ills.

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Speaker 2: Right, if he's consistent in the cage and winning, we're

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Speaker 3: He made me go exactly and then that there was

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Speaker 2: I mean, he'd been called the front runner for a reason,

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Speaker 3: I think that it's it certainly sets. I think there's

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Speaker 2: So I think that reinforced that if you had any

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Speaker 2: he can show here. What we got to understand. Copla

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Speaker 1: And he's thirty.

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Speaker 2: Six, still can jab stiff Lee, still has a game

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Speaker 1: You've got to see this.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting right now because we've seen Canelo link

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Speaker 2: As things look right now. I think that's certainly a

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Speaker 2: to get a belt. But when you look at Canelo

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, after the rematch, I think what a

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Speaker 3: This isn't about the three out of sixty five million,

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Speaker 1: Right, this is the fight the fans won. I think

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Speaker 3: Biggest fight, right, Like, is this the biggest fight that

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, it's under the zone. You signed the

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Speaker 3: So yes, there has to be some responsibility. You have

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, in.

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Speaker 2: Canelo's defense, he was basically saying, A, I don't owe

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Speaker 2: obviously it's both fights very very disputed, and B Triple

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Speaker 2: But you're telling me when those stiff jabs of the

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Speaker 1: We're not cheering for them necessarily if it resists.

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Speaker 2: But uh Man, talk about making big, fun, creative fights

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 1: You've got me fired up for it, Like the boxing.

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Speaker 2: Show, you your rock and yes, King bo actionally yeah,

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Speaker 2: Also, this past weekend Bridgeport, Connecticut. Bellatore was back with

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Speaker 2: I was there, I should know, But Chuck, this is

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Speaker 2: This wasn't world class competition. Man, But you're a horrible

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Speaker 2: And his story is very inspiring, and I was really

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00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,840
Speaker 2: impressed with his demeanor.

438
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,439
Speaker 1: I mean, he retired a few.

439
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,280
Speaker 2: Years ago, you know, when things didn't work out after

440
00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,800
Speaker 2: that World Series of Fighting run that was largely impressive.

441
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,639
Speaker 2: He went four and one, lost to Justin Gage to

442
00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,439
Speaker 2: you by knockout in that title Step Up.

443
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,280
Speaker 1: The Latour, Let's be honest, I've called.

444
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:24,639
Speaker 2: It before, The.

445
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,800
Speaker 1: Florida Nursing Home of MMA.

446
00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you can find second life there if you're

447
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,119
Speaker 2: an aging fighter. It's like that movie cocoon with that

448
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,359
Speaker 2: weird egg on the bottom of the pool. There you

449
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,520
Speaker 2: can do. You'd be dug in basketballs after swimming next

450
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,760
Speaker 2: to that thing. The level of competition wise, this could

451
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,400
Speaker 2: be the perfect landing spot for his story. This could

452
00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,200
Speaker 2: be an opportunity where he's fighting the right guys. That

453
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,200
Speaker 2: could be competitive and he can win. But here's the deal.

454
00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,160
Speaker 2: His story is super inspiring for a reason because he's

455
00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,800
Speaker 2: been told no so many times, because he's overcoming that.

456
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,679
Speaker 2: I gotta believe in his heart he still wants that

457
00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,120
Speaker 2: ending of getting in the uf SEE, having a real

458
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,399
Speaker 2: fight and getting a win. I know he had the

459
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 2: Dana White Contender Series opportunity lost by decision, got beaten

460
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,280
Speaker 2: up pretty badly. And we all remember what Dana White

461
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,679
Speaker 2: said after that in twenty eighteen. He said, look like,

462
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 2: essentially to paraphrase, maybe this isn't the place for him.

463
00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,920
Speaker 2: This is a place where many people with two hands

464
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,159
Speaker 2: and two feet have had trouble. Yeah, how do we

465
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,359
Speaker 2: deal with that in light of this victory? Because I

466
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,200
Speaker 2: think you can. I think two things can be true.

467
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 2: I think one side of it is Nick Nowell deserves

468
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,439
Speaker 2: an opportunity, and he showed you something that's the But

469
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,480
Speaker 2: the other point of it is Dana White might not

470
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Speaker 2: be wrong.

471
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Speaker 3: What you're saying is essentially the complication of the whole

472
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,199
Speaker 3: situation because the optics of it.

473
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Speaker 1: If you're just.

474
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,360
Speaker 3: Tuning in, you're like, wait, is that guy missing his hand?

475
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 3: It's an optic thing, right Like, you watch it, you

476
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 3: feel danger for a guy because the old saying like,

477
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,359
Speaker 3: I can fight this guy with one hand tied behind

478
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 3: him back. He literally has one hand type minus back.

479
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,160
Speaker 3: He's going in there and doing this and we've seen

480
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 3: him beat guys who don't really you know, we don't

481
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 3: know who these guys are, but he's winning.

482
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 1: He uses his wrestling really well.

483
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 3: He actually uses his his his other arm to set

484
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,680
Speaker 3: up things. It's kind of crazy to watch. His left

485
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 3: arm is pretty muscular. It is despite his situation. But

486
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,199
Speaker 3: it's a complicated ordeal, right Like, it's the optics thing,

487
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 3: and then it's also an opposition thing. Even talking to

488
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 3: Browning before this fight, you know, he's like, you know,

489
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 3: this is kind of a double edged sword type of fight.

490
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 3: If you beat him, you set Nick Nowell back on

491
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 3: his journey. And he was sympathetic to his journey as well,

492
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 3: so you have guys who are basically like wanting Nick

493
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Speaker 3: Nole to succeed and don't want.

494
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Speaker 1: To have to be the guy to beat him. And

495
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Speaker 1: I feel like that's where.

496
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Speaker 3: Justin Gaechee really was the head hunter he's always been,

497
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 3: because he was like, hey man, he wants to step

498
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Speaker 3: in when they all bus I'll go right through him,

499
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 3: just like I do everybody else. That's what Nick Nowle

500
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 3: ultimately wants his guys to not take any kind of pity,

501
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 3: you know, to go in there and do it. But

502
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 3: he also wants to really ascend the ranks and make

503
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 3: it to that top level and go for it.

504
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 1: I'm just not sure that.

505
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: Will ever happen spot if you're a Dana White or

506
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,360
Speaker 2: Scot Coker, because those optics that you talked about, if

507
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: you put him in a no win situation with a

508
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 2: guy who can do it all and can look, you're

509
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: gonna feast on your opponent's weakness. And it's very obvious

510
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 2: if you come in from that left side on him.

511
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna have an advent.

512
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: And so you don't want to see somebody beating up badly.

513
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 2: But again, Beltore might be the perfect landing spot for

514
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 2: I think that happened. This is a great story that

515
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 2: I think doesn't even come close to crossing.

516
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: Over in sports beyond the bubble of mixed Marshallow.

517
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 3: Beltour is excellent, masterful at booking guys against the right guys.

518
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. They put a guy, they

519
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 3: got a guy with a name. They're gonna put him

520
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 3: against this guy who's fifteen.

521
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,719
Speaker 2: He got a name, he's don't want to fight. It's

522
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 2: a soft landing path. But speaking of Bella Store, one

523
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 2: thing they gave us this weekend, Wow, big time fireworks

524
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: in this two twenty five card. Overall, fourteen fights, they

525
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: all ended with a finish.

526
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Speaker 1: Whoo uh.

527
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 2: Let me just clear my head. I was a building

528
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: for this. This was a great night of fighting. Our

529
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 2: friend in the business, Mike Chiapetta said, this was the

530
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 2: most violent night in MMA history.

531
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: Your good buddy front row Brian tossed out on Twitter.

532
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 2: Hey, anybody know what's the record if this happened?

533
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: Before we find out?

534
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: For people responding, two Beloktart cards in the Pass had

535
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: all finishes, but they only had five and seven fights respectively.

536
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 2: You got to go back to twenty fourteen in the

537
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: UFC rock Hold Bizzping won in Australia that night had

538
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: eleven for eleven.

539
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 1: This one went fourteen.

540
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: I mean, Bellatore has always done well with the matchmaking

541
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: on the undercards in Yeah, giving you the type of

542
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 2: fights that can produce these spectacular finishes, but also pairing

543
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: their prospects with guys who can beat them. We saw

544
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: that again with Mike Kimball, one of my favorite young

545
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: fighters going down. But like, what is the big highlight

546
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: that came out of this, because there were like four

547
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 2: or five legitimate.

548
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: Viral highlights on this night.

549
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: I mean there were there were a ton. I think

550
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 3: that Who's the Who's the heavyweight? In the Cole Maine

551
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: confront Johnson? Jim Johnson, he basically got chopped down on

552
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 3: the fence and it was just the way he went

553
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 3: down was just I said, it was like a watching

554
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: a great machine get shut down. It just kind of

555
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 3: just slumped over his own weight. I mean, that's that's

556
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 3: incredible to watch that sort of thing. The main event

557
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 3: obviously like that.

558
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: Stick kicks this time in Mittrion Carotana A piece issue.

559
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 3: Though that was and it was bizarre still ins in

560
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 3: a bizarre way, but it shows you better not get

561
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 3: distracted by your mouth piece at a situation like that.

562
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 1: So that was a crazy knockout.

563
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 3: But I mean you go back to the uh, you know,

564
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: to the to the first fights. I thought that the

565
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 3: you know, he had a record broken and the and

566
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 3: the fastest submission.

567
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure anybody can break.

568
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 2: Vieve Gozali, the eighteen year old calls him off the

569
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 2: king from Israel. He really made a giant statement about

570
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: who he is running across the cage.

571
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: Minari roll that was getting the.

572
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: Quick tap eleven seconds to new Belatar records. But did

573
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: you see the set up there Chuck his opponent reaching

574
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: out the hand and he no sells it and goes

575
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: right in.

576
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: Is that the shades of Eric Silva from usc in

577
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: one ninety six. He did that exact same thing where

578
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: he went in like he's gonna high five and then

579
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 3: just took the guy. That's I don't like to see that. Man,

580
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 3: if you're gonna if you're going to offer the hand,

581
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 3: you got to like, I don't like to let you

582
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 3: have to trust me on this.

583
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: I don't like that idea.

584
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 3: If you're going to do that, there should be an etiquette,

585
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 3: like you touch hands and then you set up.

586
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: That's fair enough, man, We saw everything on that night,

587
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 2: So where are we at with Blatore. We know they

588
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: can put on the ten pole cards, as Scott Cooker

589
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: likes to say, we know they have always a good

590
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: mix of sort of wash names with guys on the

591
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 2: up and up, but then they can go dark in between.

592
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: There can be a lot of fact or of local

593
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: homelook cards coming at you. What do you think this

594
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: card did to sort of update where we're at for

595
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: that promotion in the kind of lane they're trying to

596
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: stay in the UFC.

597
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: I thought it was good in the sense that it

598
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 3: brought a couple of guys to light that you maybe

599
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: you know, all of a sudden, Henzo Gracie's back. Henso

600
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: Gracy's guys, and there's a Gracie on the on the undercard.

601
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: A lot of those guys.

602
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: I wouldn't really paid attention to, but this card had

603
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: something to it where you were paying attention to the

604
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 3: whole thing, and so.

605
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: It got across.

606
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 3: I thought I came across like people were talking about.

607
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: I felt like Twitter was alive with the military event.

608
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: That's not usual.

609
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: So this one really worked. It was perfect to be

610
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 3: on an off night for the UFC obviously, like that helps,

611
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 3: but can they carry momentum? Can they use can they

612
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: put these guys into situations where you really want to

613
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: truly follow the career that it's always been their their

614
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: their hard part, right Like even during the thing, you

615
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 3: know they're they're announcing Mirror versus Nelson too.

616
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 1: That's not going to move your needle. No, that's not,

617
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: I mean it's not.

618
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Speaker 2: Do you think they're sort of evolving away from really

619
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: their peak of drawing interest was about three four.

620
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: Years ago when you're doing Kimbo, when you're.

621
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 2: Doing Ken Shamrock Gracie three and you're waking up a

622
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: lot of old fans to check that out. Do you

623
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: think they've sort of evolved away from that?

624
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: They seem to have.

625
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 3: I'm not seeing them put those kinds of guys, the

626
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 3: ones who were there putting in there that are kind

627
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 3: of the brand names that are on their fumes. Like

628
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 3: those guys still have something left to them.

629
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: They're not like you got a.

630
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: Wacheetah going up against the Musasia.

631
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: That's exactly I got to see that.

632
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the kind of fight that I think they're

633
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 3: at hopefully we're done honestly with the strict side show

634
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: stuff like the Shamrock.

635
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really need to see that kind

636
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: of thing. I think they've made some good moves though

637
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: for their future.

638
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: You've got a sixteen man Fatherway tournament now that is musty.

639
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: You got to see that, and then the announcement just

640
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: just that they had this week of we're going to

641
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 2: get that rematch. Of course, the finals of the Welterweight

642
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: Grand Prix Rory McDonald Douglas Lima going to be in

643
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: our backyard of Connecticut. I'm fired up to check that out.

644
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: That's a fight that you're basically building around two strong,

645
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: modern in their prime pieces that could compete with anybody

646
00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: in the UFC.

647
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 3: Got it, And I want to see, honestly if if

648
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 3: Lima's did his stock go up after that knockout of

649
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: Page because to me, that thing was like almost like

650
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 3: a It seemed viral, but I don't know if it

651
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: really was viral, but it seemed like everybody was talking

652
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: about that for the hot minute that it happened. I

653
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: just want to see, does that finally, because that's been

654
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 3: Belator's thing. They can't keep momentum rolling with these guys.

655
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: I'd love to see if Lima gets a good as

656
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 3: any great world. I mean, he's would prot he might

657
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: be the best fighter on that roster.

658
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Speaker 1: So it is found.

659
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Speaker 3: One of the worst talkers too, though, he's not one

660
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: of those guys who's ever going to go out and

661
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: he's not going to kill you with his career.

662
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: Not a great talker either, sound but I'm going to

663
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: take your health.

664
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Speaker 3: I'm going to take your health, and I'm going to

665
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Speaker 3: spread the word though, the good word.

666
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Speaker 1: I think that's more. That's his new way of going.

667
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: That's that's it right.

668
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Speaker 2: There, all right there, thank you bellots were man just

669
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Speaker 2: turns of viralness. It was just in my blood. I

670
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Speaker 2: just want to want to see more bloody, nice blood

671
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: stain on the canvas. That page man left has been

672
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Speaker 2: left out there despite that horrific nettack, You got any problem,

673
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: you got any comments on the third the third eye

674
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: thing never blinked. I wish you would step back from

675
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Speaker 2: that ledge. Vanderford, thank you. All right, Let's move on, Hey, Chuck,

676
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: we got UFC China this weekend, UFC Shenzhen.

677
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: Did I pronounce that correctly? It's a fight night card.

678
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: Traditionally, these UFC Foreign invitation Fight night cards are pretty

679
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: awful top to bottom. This one no different, but we've

680
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: got a very key title shot at the top when

681
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: Women's starweight Champion Jessica Androge defends against way Lee Zong.

682
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 2: Very good fighter.

683
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: Maybe got rushed.

684
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: Into this because of the setups here, but with UFC's

685
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: expansion in China, with the performance center.

686
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: With the untapped potential.

687
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: We saw Bob Aarram trying to bring boxing to China

688
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: with zus Chiming the two time gold medalist that came

689
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: up empty untapped market there. It is how important is

690
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: this card just on an outside looking in for the company.

691
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: I think it's a big one because they had the

692
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: UFC itself couldn't get into mainland China for a long time.

693
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: I remember Roff.

694
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: That promotion Rough now r Uff they were there.

695
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't it was not.

696
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 3: It was short lived, but they had They were the

697
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: only promotion I think at the time to get into

698
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: mainland China, and that was kind of their their and

699
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: he was I remember talking to the Rough guy about

700
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 3: how difficult it is to navigate that water and to

701
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: get through and the UFC couldn't get in. That was

702
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: the thing they held over. You'll see who fought for

703
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: a long time to get in there. And now that

704
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Speaker 3: I think this is their third show, possibly the fourth.

705
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: I think it's their third in mainland. In China, they

706
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: have a contender, and I think that that's the hardest

707
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: part is to get a good Chinese contenter.

708
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if she's.

709
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: Going to be able to pull this off because it's

710
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: just go Androge is a beast, and she's on fire,

711
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: and she's on fire coming, especially after that Rosama unus slam.

712
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a ridiculous reel. But out of

713
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: all the women champions right now, I would have to

714
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: say that Andrage has to be the one that you

715
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Speaker 3: think could possibly be upset.

716
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: We've seen her lose. It's interesting.

717
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: I'll say one thing about this one hundred and fifteen

718
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: pound division.

719
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: I always say it palm for pound. Okay, it's not

720
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: as deep as men's.

721
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: Lightweight in UFC right now, which was a historically deep division,

722
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: But pound for pound, good lord, Chuck, you get violence,

723
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: you get action, you get competitive fights. Everyone's a player

724
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: in sort of the top fifteen in general.

725
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Androg is hot.

726
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: Right now, Zong, we've seen put some wins together. I mentioned, Look,

727
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: we can't lie on the timing of her getting this

728
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: shot with UFC going there and the idea, Chuck, what

729
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: happens if she wins? The connection to the UFC's financial

730
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: future here, I mean you want to talk about a

731
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: card in China, Yeah, somebody on the rise. Should she

732
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: win a title here, I mean she could become a

733
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: top five biggest star in the company when you just

734
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Speaker 2: consider that market tapping into how how I think someone

735
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: to know is I don't know this. I'm going to

736
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: ask you how hungry is that Chinese? That's stand base

737
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: for mixed market.

738
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Speaker 3: I think that that's really the subplot of this whole thing, right,

739
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: Like we find out if if that were to happen,

740
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: and even in this fight, like I want to I'm

741
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: anxious to see a Chinese contender, like how is she embraced?

742
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: Does it become a sweeping thing across China? There's a

743
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: billion people there, right, so some people, you know, like

744
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: the one, the one championship, people are saying, like everybody

745
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: watches out there, do they like I want to find

746
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: I want to see this for myself. But if it

747
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 3: happens to be the case that a big portion of

748
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: you know, that population cares, she would be just like that.

749
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: She would become I think.

750
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Speaker 3: A global you know, a global sensation in that sense,

751
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Speaker 3: Like she would be the USC could go back into

752
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: that market and she would be that.

753
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Speaker 1: You know.

754
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Speaker 2: It would be very interesting to see how quickly she

755
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: could rise with a win here. Now it's going to

756
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: be a tough hout. Androge on Fire. She produced a

757
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: knockout against Carolina colvocates that we just don't see on

758
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: the women's level in terms of the one punch. Variety

759
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: follows it up with Androge with the slam Anama units

760
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Speaker 2: that you mentioned here.

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00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: How does Zong do it?

762
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean she's consistent, she's strong, but I don't know

763
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: if I see one specific avenue for victory.

764
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Speaker 1: That's a great point.

765
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Speaker 3: And this is where you wish our boy Luke Thomas

766
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Speaker 3: her because he loves to break down these Luke.

767
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Speaker 2: Thomas at this point should be he probably got off

768
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Speaker 2: Drury to because he probably broke down his long winded

769
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: theory on the performance enhancing drugs and how they should

770
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: be realized in America at this point, So at that point,

771
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: they're probably like, we're done, we're set, We're good.

772
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: At this global I don't really see it either. I

773
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: don't know how she'll get that done. But if she

774
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: somehow figures out, maybe she catches her or something, or

775
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: you know, whatever it's going to be. Maybe there's a

776
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: she gets spirited by her country people like it gets

777
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: you never know, you never know. But I would like

778
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: the fight to be competitive. I think that that's like

779
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: what I would really like to see because I feel

780
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: like that would show progress in terms of, you know,

781
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: for the Chinese fight, because I know they've been they've

782
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: been trying to educate the Chinese, you know, get them

783
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: more involved with mixed martial arts, opening schools, all that stuff.

784
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: If she puts on a competitive fight, that might actually carry,

785
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: you know, that might carry more than whatever.

786
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm even sure what time this fight starts on the East,

787
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, sometime during the day. The rest of

788
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: the card, as Luke Thomas would say, is the drizzling shit.

789
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: So you got to be honest about that.

790
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: I mean, any of those names jumping out for you

791
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: not really all right, Really, I did want to mention

792
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: you brought up one real quick one Championships was in

793
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: the headlines.

794
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: In a big way. This week, they're going to be doing.

795
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: Two cards on one day, October thirteenth in Tokyo, calling

796
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: it I think one Century was the one hundredth card in.

797
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: Their company's history.

798
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: But the hook is that the first of the two cards,

799
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: which has more names American fans would recognize, is going

800
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: to air live on TNT eleven pm. Chuck, We've been

801
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: sort of waiting around, going, hey, one, I agree, you

802
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: got Demetrius Johnson, you got at the Yavres, you got

803
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: some fun highlights. But if I can't watch you in

804
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: real time without getting a virus on my computer, like.

805
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: Pretty big Yeah? I think so.

806
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: I mean the bigger issue, I mean I think that

807
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: that's what you just said is America can't complain about

808
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: that if they get this opportunity, right. So this is

809
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: this is one kind of saying like we're going to

810
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: accommodate the North American audience, which they've been trying to

811
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: make some inroads with. Okay, here we are, does Demetrius

812
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: Johnson because the whole problem that he was exiled over

813
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: there anyway is because he doesn't really move the needle.

814
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: Are people going to care. I almost feel like people

815
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: care less. You know, they care less about him now

816
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: than they did before. But it's almost like they just

817
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: kind of scrubbed him from memory in this weird way.

818
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: The hardcore fans. It's bizarre how they him. He's falling

819
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: off of pound for pound lists and.

820
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: Every time I'm just not seeing and he's still winning.

821
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: It's not like he started to lose.

822
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: But I do think that, you know, it's it's cool

823
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: for them to stack I guess under their it's a

824
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: stacked card.

825
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: Basically, everybody that you if you've ever heard of on

826
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: their on the Rock.

827
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: Is on one of these two shows, right.

828
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: I just don't know why, because if it's at the

829
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: same venue, I'm like, wasn't it just one? Like marathon show?

830
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: Likewise split it into two.

831
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they're selling two sets of.

832
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: Getting a live card in the States. They put the

833
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: right people on it. I mean, Angela Lie will be

834
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: in the main EVENTU a story people are caring about.

835
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: You got Demetrius, you got Eddie, Eddie. There's I think

836
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: there's a Shinya Yaoki and a Yushinakami.

837
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: Sighting on there as well.

838
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: But I think until they really make their US debut.

839
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: You're not really going to see the full impact of

840
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: what this promotion could be.

841
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: Some of the things I really like. I like that

842
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: the guys get to.

843
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: Wear the Ultimate Warrior armband around their.

844
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: Tie boxing style.

845
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: But uh, Michael Chavello saying the biggest night and them

846
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: in the history at the.

847
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: Last card, that kind of turned me off. I'm sure

848
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: that can be fixed very easily.

849
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: Hey, we've heard a lot from you and I, Chuck.

850
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: We got to hear from the Donks. I think it's

851
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: DM for Donks came on right here. We got to

852
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: hear what the people want us to be talking about.

853
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: Because I can talk about this nonsense all day. But

854
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: what we got, let's say from at that Underscore Surge

855
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: Underscore dough on Instagram.

856
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a mouthful, all right, Chuck?

857
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: How much of the Connor McGregor interview was influenced by ESPN?

858
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: ESPN now has a very vested interest in getting Connor

859
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: back in the octagon. Getting him on TV for damage

860
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: control seems like a smart business move. We definitely wanted

861
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: to keep this topic and hit it because we're in

862
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: a different time period here. UFC. Certainly you would think

863
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: would want Connor front and center apologizing for his outside

864
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: the cage, bad Karmelt bad headlines of late But ESPN

865
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: certainly has a heavy financial interest as well in getting

866
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: Connor rehabbed. Is it right to sort of pick apart

867
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: this interview with gloves and sort of just you know,

868
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: make sure everything was asked and everything was sort of

869
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: on the up and up.

870
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Speaker 3: I mean, it was part of why it was so

871
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: weird because they had all the b rule, They had

872
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: all this stuff set up like intros to each segment,

873
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: and it was.

874
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: Very ESPN right.

875
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: I thought that that's the best you're going to get

876
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 3: on something like Connor Mcgregwell, I'll come on and I'll

877
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: do we can fill an hour special where I'm going.

878
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: To give you all this stuff.

879
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: I think that where it failed was it just didn't

880
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: he didn't say anything. There was nothing of substance there

881
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: and so therefore it seemed anti climatic. But the fact

882
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: that he's doing on ESPN is using that platform, and

883
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: you know, who knows what mandates are coming in from

884
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 3: where or the motivations behind everything. But it makes full sense,

885
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: you know, it makes full sense for him to be

886
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: on there doing it and for them to make a

887
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: big deal of it.

888
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: This is an interesting crossroads at this point though, of

889
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: where we're at because ESPN's MMA coverage, which is fantastic,

890
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: you can argue is the number one in the game

891
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: or has some of the biggest names in the game.

892
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: I don't think we've ever really been in this spot

893
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: where they have where at the same time, the company

894
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: has so much potential financial interest in what the UFC

895
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: does because they're the exclusive holder of the fight. So

896
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: it's a tough spot for any journalist to be and

897
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: we're going to pick apart and scrutinize an aerial. Certainly,

898
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: there was a lot I loved about the interview, but

899
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: no mention of that recent sexual assault case against Connor. Yeah,

900
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: that makes you sort of question was that a deal

901
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: breaker on the way in or whatever on that That's

902
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: where you like that, DM said, that's where you start

903
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: to sort of question.

904
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: How deep we're going to attack UFC.

905
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 2: And we've really never seen a giant scandal yet. Since

906
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: the ESPN has taken over UFC coverage, we're sort of

907
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: going to be able to look on the outside in

908
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: and see how much they did they dug into this.

909
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: It's funny because when ESPN got, you know, when the

910
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: partnership with the UFCB can, I was like, you know,

911
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 3: for a Disney owned company, I was like, if they

912
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: are afraid of bad headlines, this should be a very

913
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: interesting or better tattoos. Yeah, this should be because you're

914
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: going to get it all the time. And Connor McGregor

915
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: now right now being a poster boy for that kind

916
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: of thing. And John Jones, So you got two of

917
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: the biggest stars that are basically battling all kinds of

918
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: things outside of their fighting, and you know, man, it's

919
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: just we we follow fighting. We know how this goes.

920
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: But some of that stuff is pretty ugly. Some of

921
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 3: that stuff is pretty ugly, and it becomes a responsibility

922
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: to talk.

923
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: About all of it, you know what I mean?

924
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: And you do did an excellent job for his own

925
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: interest in kind of just talking in a big circle

926
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: and not really addressing saying I want I don't want

927
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: to talk about the guy I threw a jat at

928
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: I was in the wrong. I want a little bit

929
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: of details on there, a little bit of dirt. Why

930
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: do you step on my guy's phone? I gotta find

931
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: this stuff out, all right, Hey, let's move on.

932
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: And usually he wouldn't. I don't knowice.

933
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: That's where it's different. Usually he would give you something

934
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: on that. All right, what do we got up next?

935
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: Let's hit it hart the people in my ear by

936
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: the way, I can't hear you in my ear piece

937
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: fell out if you're talking to me? All right? At

938
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: fight dot center on Instagram. All right, is ben Askrin's

939
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 2: return scheduled too soon? After such a terrible loss to Masvidal?

940
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: Ben Asperns signs on two face Demion Maya in a

941
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: pack of a potential grappling situ.

942
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: What do you know the date? The date on the buffhand?

943
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: Don't?

944
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: That's so? I was just about to ask you.

945
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: I know that obviously that's happening, and I know it's

946
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: It was just I looked at this and it was

947
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: just far enough off where I thought that probably is okay.

948
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: The idea is that was a brutal, brutal knockout, but

949
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: he doesn't usually take a ton of damage, So it

950
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: comes down to was he okay after that fight? Obviously

951
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: he doesn't remember it, so he was concussed pretty good.

952
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 3: But the good thing is, Damian, Maia, how do you

953
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: really go against us?

954
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: Something like that.

955
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: If I've mentioned this a million times, if there's a

956
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: pacifist in the UFC, a guy who's not going to

957
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 3: not not all about throwing the hands, it's Damien Maas.

958
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: So he's getting the ideal opponent if he is making

959
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: come back.

960
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: To styles make fights. Styles make fights.

961
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: When somebody's coming back and needs a soft ish landingh

962
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: is over that hill. Now he's tried his best. He

963
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: worked himself back into the title contender there at well

964
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: to wait God, as long as he could not knocking

965
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 2: people out. This kind of feels like the perfectest one

966
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: for his flight. The best thing Askering can do to

967
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: sort of put that behind him, same thing we.

968
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: Said about Connor.

969
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: The best thing you should do is get in there

970
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: and start beating Some dudes have a three fight year. Again,

971
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: we're Ben Askin. This is probably the best thing, right

972
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: getting rattled against.

973
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: So I'm sure he's dying too to erase the memory

974
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: of what just happened, because I think his stock was

975
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: like maybe an all time high going out. Basically it

976
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: was a baton exchange, right moswead All just took everything

977
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: that Askron gave him and took off with it.

978
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: And now here's askering.

979
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: Down at the bottom, trying to get the scraps against.

980
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: This is a great chance for him to kind of

981
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: get back in there.

982
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: He'll be interesting to see how his wrestling merges with

983
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 2: Maya's relents.

984
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: Fascinating.

985
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 2: I want to say, Nerds, the Mere, the Luke Thomas's

986
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: of the world, the met Morris Nerds. You know he

987
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 2: gets gets off on that on that table. Yeah, you

988
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: talked about that. There you go on that one.

989
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: Hey, let's what he got next for me?

990
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: Come on, people at Cooper Underscore wit Meyer, Francis and

991
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: Gano versus the bronze bomber heavyweight boxing champion Deyontay Wilder

992
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: in a street fight.

993
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, who wins?

994
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: Interesting? Here? Snow fans win, Brian the fan, Well, whoever's

995
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: in the street, whatever, almost folks are in the street

996
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: that night, they're gonna win.

997
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: Interesting.

998
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about a street fight because you're gonna

999
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: be able to dirty box, right, you're gonna eat this.

1000
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: It might be a cracked beer bottle, you might have

1001
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: a you know, you might have brast nuts in your poking.

1002
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: But straight up, knowing that I would go with a

1003
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: straight up no rules fight in a confined space.

1004
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: That I would I would have to go with Wilder there.

1005
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: Now Here's where it's interesting though, because if we're gonna

1006
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: compare it in contrast, we know there's it's different when

1007
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: you punch in them and compared to when you punch

1008
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: as a boxing champion. I mean we found that out

1009
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: even with McGregor walking in there against Mayweather, the punching,

1010
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: the leverage of the strength was all sort of different.

1011
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: But in Ganu seems to have the kind of concussing

1012
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: power that's just next level in any sport. Certainly Deontay

1013
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: Wilder is one of the biggest punchers and best finishers

1014
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: in boxing history.

1015
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: Would they cancel each other out?

1016
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: Where in Gandhu's muscular advantage, and I mean he's not

1017
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: a great I just.

1018
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: Say Wilder has that dog in a more so, you know,

1019
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: like he's gonna I think he's gonna be more willing.

1020
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: If it's a street fight, I think he's gonna be like,

1021
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: let's do it immediately, and therefore land first.

1022
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: I just I think he'd be the aggressor that'd be hlacious.

1023
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: Would you imagine that you know what we're missing out

1024
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: in combat? I'm statistic but i'd love to see you

1025
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: are very sedition. I've seen you with your head off.

1026
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: Do you know, well, you know that that that pit,

1027
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: the BKB, remember that fighting pit.

1028
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: Remember bk be originally was.

1029
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: Launching itself as bare knuckle boxing.

1030
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: Then they really couldn't get.

1031
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: It passed with the commission, so they went to that

1032
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: pit and they sent you did boxing matches in a

1033
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: fulle booth. And the pit was interesting because there's no

1034
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: ropes to lean against.

1035
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: You fall, you fall on an angled surface.

1036
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: I'd like to see you wanted to see a moat

1037
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: around it with Yeah, well, I know we're seeing the

1038
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: launch it with elegant, with sharks, with fricking laser beams

1039
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: on there. I know we're getting to the point where

1040
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: there's almost too much bare knuckle fighting now, and it's okay,

1041
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: but it's still not like go into that phone booth

1042
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: and see who comes out on top. Give me and Ghanhu,

1043
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: give me Wilder in the b KB pit, how big love,

1044
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: how big.

1045
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: Man? I mean somewhere in between. Yeah, but it's somewhere

1046
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: in between rons.

1047
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: There's no takedowns.

1048
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: It's just old school bar fighting, right.

1049
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: I think in Ghana would actually like that I think

1050
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: his biggest you know, the big thing he has to

1051
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: get used to is the wrestling, right Like, he doesn't

1052
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: want to be wrestled, So.

1053
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: I think he would actually dig that fight.

1054
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: It would be interesting. I think in that setup you

1055
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: gotta go wilder, just with the boxing advantage right there.

1056
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: Did you ever see the movie Far and Away, Some

1057
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: good Fighting the night? All right, Tom Cruise? Yeah, where

1058
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: they're coming from Ireland? Yeah, they're playing. When I think

1059
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: of people like Tyson's Ferry and the Gypsy's fighting through

1060
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: their freedom, I think of Tom Cruise. All right, Hey,

1061
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: you got any more for us? I like what the

1062
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: dogs have to say here, bring it, bring it? I

1063
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: sound taller. Wow, you think that's uh? What's the guy

1064
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: that wished he was a baller?

1065
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1066
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: Hitting us up here? Luke isn't on this episode. That

1067
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: is true? What hot takes lash? Controversial opinions? Do you

1068
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: have that you're afraid to talk about? When Luke is around?

1069
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: The desty subject here, Luke will Luke will grab you

1070
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: by the throat verbally and sort of giving you that

1071
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: forced choke that they do in Star Wars, very very

1072
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: vader like. If you if you cross his theories here.

1073
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 2: You're going to enter into any kind of talk about

1074
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: p DS, you gotta be really digginning.

1075
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: That's got to be.

1076
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: You got any hot takes you want to in a

1077
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 2: sitting next to Luke on on on tables like this.

1078
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: Oh man, he's pretty open.

1079
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: He's pretty he's pretty much an open book, right Like,

1080
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: So he's you know, I see him guzzling his pepto

1081
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: bismo before a show and things like that.

1082
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: But he comes in with sticks that are about this

1083
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: long talk about he like cured me.

1084
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: He wears his uh, you know, his neuro seas on

1085
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: a sleeve.

1086
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: So anybody you saw last week's episod So though when

1087
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: we had the Great Thanksgiving Debate okay, which which did

1088
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: luckily overshadowed my hot takes, that's step A and me

1089
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: o wh which is not the greatest heavyweight of all time,

1090
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: which people want to come into my door and assault me.

1091
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: But Luke took a took some shots at both Turkey

1092
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: Day being the best holiday and the idea of that

1093
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: meal being fantastic.

1094
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: He's got to stout something from his past.

1095
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: Something happened to that man and Marietta Georgia, all right,

1096
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: something happened to him, We're going to get to the

1097
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: bottom of it, all right, We're gonna get to the bottom.

1098
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: That's the topic we need to talk about when he's

1099
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: not around here. Love some Luke Thomas, obviously. I hope

1100
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: he's doing well in trial. Y.

1101
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sure. I'm sure he's loving it. You can't.

1102
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: He loves that kind of thing.

1103
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: I've had some long jury duty days, you know, where

1104
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: you're like, you're waiting until five pm and just to

1105
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: be told not have you?

1106
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: Have you said? I never sat in.

1107
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: I've been to I've been called in, but I never

1108
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: get on the actual jury.

1109
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: So what happens in jury duty stays in jury Yeah, right, it's.

1110
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: Usually in my day, it's like a four or five

1111
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: hour a day and then they're like, all right, you

1112
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: can go.

1113
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: That's usually what happens for me. All Right, what else

1114
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: we got here?

1115
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: Hit me up at Tattoo Tatum Temple. All right, there

1116
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: you go. A favorite whiskey, Chuck. I could see you

1117
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: as a high spirit guy. I don't really dip much

1118
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: into whiskey. I've had Connor's whiskeys. It's flavorful, it's very

1119
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: sure favorite. I'm not really a whiskey guy. I'm an

1120
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: IPA guy for life here, but I.

1121
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: Could see you get perfect foil for Luke Thomas.

1122
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: Perfect foil.

1123
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: Maybe get in one of those.

1124
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: In the town I live in, all the trendy dads

1125
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: think they're happen coolsely by the bourbon glasses with the

1126
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: special ice cubes in there. I could see you in

1127
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: suburban Connecticut getting down like that.

1128
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I would say that the scarcity of the

1129
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: Peppy van Winkle brand, you know, like just being able

1130
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 3: to try to find it. I was smart enough back

1131
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: in the day to go track down some bottles before

1132
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: it got to the point where they're selling for two

1133
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a bottle for the twenty year old and

1134
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: things like that. So I've had everything but the twenty

1135
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: year old. I've had a twenty bottle of twenty three,

1136
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: and I have to say, man, you can taste the difference. Yeah,

1137
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's very good. But I will say, you know,

1138
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: you get down to the ten and twelve year old,

1139
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that those are better than you know,

1140
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: plenty of other ones that are out there, you know,

1141
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: But I would say that ultimately I like drinking that

1142
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: I just I find the twenty three and the twenty

1143
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: and the fifteen, all those ones that are kind of

1144
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: the harder to find.

1145
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: They're worth the money.

1146
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 3: Maybe not two thousand, but if you're in a bar

1147
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: and they have them, if you know, like maybe a

1148
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: hundred dollars for a glass, it is worth it.

1149
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: It is worth the splurge. Is that your whiskey?

1150
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: Meaning is that you are like, no stressful day, sit

1151
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: back on the couch.

1152
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's only a special occasion thing. So

1153
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: what's your what's your go to? How does Chuck min

1154
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: Andhall get off? I mean relatively so. So usually it

1155
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: starts with me open my computers.

1156
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: No I have, I have. I have a variety of

1157
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: different bottles. But I would say, like I mean, honestly,

1158
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: like Jack Daniels, Jim Beam, like if you're just mixing

1159
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: drinks or something, you just go with it.

1160
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: You just go with the standards.

1161
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: Mean on this craft bear revolution the fact, I mean

1162
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: New England IPAs are just changing.

1163
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: Again in.

1164
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: State. Who goes, well, Pittsburgh's got great No they don't. Okay,

1165
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: you know, people got to understand once you Pittsburgh does

1166
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: have a good one, But once you wait in the

1167
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: line in the woods for Treehouse in Massachusetts, or do

1168
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: you take the journey up the main or trilling alcome Vermont.

1169
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: You find out it's just a different.

1170
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: We've been to these places, I have been same here

1171
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: and uh, it's just an.

1172
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: It's a different level.

1173
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: When you taste I say this a lot in PROG wrestling,

1174
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: when you taste the steak, when you taste the very

1175
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: best of what something has to offer, you can't go back. Yeah,

1176
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: you can't go back, Sorry, Bud can thank you.

1177
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: It is true. You can't go back to that watery domestic.

1178
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: All right? What else we got here? There's got to

1179
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: be something else there. You's got to be more from

1180
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: the people. Nothing you got nothing for me? All right?

1181
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: I would hear you if if you were if my

1182
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: earpiece wasn't under the table right now. Odds and ends.

1183
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: Let's sort of recap what we didn't touch on what's

1184
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: going on this weekend. I wanted to point out that

1185
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: ESPN bringing us a a boxing title mess that we

1186
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: have to see this weekend when Palm for Pound King

1187
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: Vassili Lomachenko defends two of his lightweight belts and fights

1188
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: for a third one. That's vacant the WBC when he

1189
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: takes on former gold medalist Luke Campbell of Great Britain.

1190
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: In Great Britain and Chuck, we love us some Vasili Lomachenko.

1191
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: We love his artistic stylings, we love his incredible footwork. Hey,

1192
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: he's a lot of sparring with TJ. Dillashaw. By the way, Hope,

1193
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: Hope got tested after that, just you know, a little

1194
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: secondhand rub right there.

1195
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: But he's a fantastic artist.

1196
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: And what makes this fight so interesting is Luke Campbell

1197
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: technically can box and he's a lot taller and a

1198
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: lot longer. Luke Campbell gave Jorge Lnaris hell. I thought

1199
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: he maybe deserved the decision there, and if you remember,

1200
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: Lenaris may have been Lomachenko's toughest fight. Lomachenko's incredible, but

1201
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: I think he's found his ceiling at one thirty five,

1202
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: where maybe not much more he can go unless there's

1203
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: some super fight for big time money at one forty.

1204
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: So this is a different kind of style we're going

1205
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: to see him against. And if he can come out

1206
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: of England enemy territory with three of four belts, you know,

1207
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: top rank is setting up for later this year, Richard Kami,

1208
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: Tao Femo Lopez Junior, Chuck. Could you imagine if we've

1209
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: got Lomachenko and Tayo Femo Lopez, like the sort of

1210
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: crossroads variety of the veteran palfer pound king against the

1211
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: young up and comer, trash talker, big punch.

1212
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: Look just turn talk.

1213
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: Him long term planning.

1214
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: This is why I want to see you.

1215
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: Big momaga.

1216
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: I do like him, Yeah, I do like him.

1217
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: All he's an artist.

1218
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: He is man. I would say that that's true.

1219
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: You know, like watching him fight is like it's like

1220
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: watching some kind.

1221
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: Of ritual or a dance. A little bit it really

1222
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: like I don't think we've seen footwork.

1223
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: I mean Roy Jones did things that were just not

1224
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: functionally sound because he was so athletic. He but but

1225
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: the way that Lomachenko dances out there, the way that

1226
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: he trains and all the weird sort of hand and

1227
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: foot it's incredible.

1228
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: Well is he he is in his early thirties.

1229
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: Let's not forget. I mean, two time Olympic gold medal

1230
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: state in the animate.

1231
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 3: There was a point where I kind of wanted to

1232
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: see if he would switch over to him, like it

1233
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: was like just a little bit of like the diyll

1234
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: of Shaw stuff, And you know, I kind of fantasize

1235
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: about that a little bit because it seems like he

1236
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 3: might translate over.

1237
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: That is interesting to know.

1238
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: It's such a risk for these guys to ever think

1239
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: about doing that because nobody, nobody wants to take such

1240
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: a public hel Why why do the big names don't

1241
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: go to the Dunkhan that's nobody.

1242
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: Wants to take an l camera.

1243
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: I'm well, especially as boxers who manicure their matchmaking.

1244
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: That's very true. But I love daring to be great.

1245
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: I love what Loan has done young career. He sort

1246
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: of started a new trend, chuck when from the standpoint

1247
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: of like, let's not wait twenty five.

1248
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: Thirty fights to fight for a world title.

1249
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: This is a guy who wanted to do it with

1250
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: pro debut, did it in a second fight and lost,

1251
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 2: came back in his third fight. Now he's won titles

1252
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: in three divisions.

1253
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: Love him. What do you guys for us cinents? Well,

1254
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: we were talking about crossover.

1255
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this, but rugby player

1256
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: James Haskell is going to He signed with Bellatore and

1257
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: it's like It's one of those things. MMA has always

1258
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: been a little bit of a hobby for some guys,

1259
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: right like they do it as a hobby. And I've

1260
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: heard about him a little bit going back. I know

1261
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: that Michael Bisping he was at London shoot Fighters. But

1262
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: Michael Bisping had kind of mentioned him from way back

1263
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: just being a good athlete. Luke Barnett, the you know,

1264
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: a big slow had trained with him a little bit.

1265
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: So this one I felt like would happen at some point.

1266
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 3: I thought it might happen, you know, in his earlier thirties,

1267
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: but now I think he's like thirty four.

1268
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: He's going to give it a shot. Have you ever

1269
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: seen this guy? I have not seen. He is huge, man,

1270
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: he is a he's a hardy.

1271
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 2: He's Padjanowski huge, not quite like that, but he is stacked.

1272
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: I mean he is just he's a specimen. So I'm

1273
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: intrigued to see to what point he can come in there.

1274
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: I don't feel like this is uh, you know, a

1275
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: situation like see him punk or anything like that. This guy, this,

1276
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: I think this guy's going.

1277
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: To be a Legit is uh does he have a

1278
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: fighting background? Is there?

1279
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: I mean not, He's been, he's been a rugby player,

1280
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: internationalby played, he played in London, He's played all.

1281
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: Over the globe.

1282
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: I just know I'm not a bigger amateur restaurant, but

1283
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you see guys like Volkanowski right,

1284
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 3: like who who they come from something like rugby and

1285
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: somehow they've they actually find some uh some stuff within

1286
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 3: that that game to bring to the nmake cage. I

1287
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 3: wonder about that a little bit. I think he's he

1288
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: just has that that feel to him a little bit,

1289
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: and I don't want to put too much pressure on,

1290
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: but I feel like he'll have a compelling especially at heavyweight.

1291
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 3: I feel like he'll have a little bit of a

1292
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 3: more of a compelling uh story. I know he's a

1293
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 3: he loves like he's from what I understand is boxing

1294
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 3: and jiu jitsu or specialties so.

1295
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: Well, Belator seems to have cornered the market on the

1296
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: white heavyweight.

1297
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: So you can just kind of throw out there, maybe

1298
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: going there to dominate that, maybe driving the uber.

1299
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: Or setting up the cage, and then they just sort

1300
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: of give him a fight after that.

1301
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: That's good to know.

1302
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: Also, I don't know if this moves you at all,

1303
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: but kench Hamrock at fifty five.

1304
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: I know he's I knew that would move you.

1305
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: He's yet he's launching yet another fair Knock confederation that's

1306
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: out there, and a boxer h Smith by the way,

1307
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: signed up for that. But he's going to make a

1308
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: pro wrestling comeback at fifty five with Impact Wrestling, which

1309
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: is a little bit below the radar these days. And

1310
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: I've got a nice old school t NA Impact wrestling

1311
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: sure right here.

1312
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: Bought you bought that for ten bucks? I did buy

1313
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: this for ten bucks.

1314
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 2: I don't think King Mo, who's my guy, by the way,

1315
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: say King Mo?

1316
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: Love it right? All right, great guy.

1317
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: I mean that's spinning back from Emmanuel Love Newt in

1318
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: that time that they're both times.

1319
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: But that was a tough break.

1320
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,479
Speaker 2: But where was I, Oh, dude, I mean, I don't

1321
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: doubt that Ken Schamerck can get his skin leatherly and

1322
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: and maybe take some supplements and find some abs under there.

1323
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: But uh, I have a feeling that this guy is

1324
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: still going to be doing something like this when he's

1325
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: in his eighties. I mean, I mean this is almost

1326
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: a surprise to me. But it's it's like so so

1327
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: weird and cringey that I have to see it.

1328
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: He's gonna be doing a program.

1329
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: Against moh Moshi is a former NFL line with the

1330
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons, now wrestling with Impact Wrestling. There toloping a

1331
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: little rivalry here and we're going to see that.

1332
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: I don't does it move you anytime we do this?

1333
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 2: MMA Pro Wresting crossover Kingevelaska's is a big topic right now.

1334
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: He's meeting, by the way. ESPN's Mark Ramundy reported with

1335
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: New Japan Pro Wrestling. It's got a couple of dates

1336
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: left with with keep all that triple A. I don't know.

1337
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: People hate. I know the YouTube comments they hate when

1338
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: I talk pro wrestling. They called me what do they

1339
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: call me? Chubby Lance Base Bass, Yeah, Rob Rob Based,

1340
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: one of these based DJ Easy Rock. Not moving you

1341
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: at all?

1342
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: Not really? Not really?

1343
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: Do you think, uh Ken Shamra capacity you saw a testamon?

1344
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: No? But uh does he have to worry about that? No?

1345
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: No?

1346
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: So, I mean, you know he put himself in the

1347
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 3: right position, you know, to make that happen. All right?

1348
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: What else you got on anything else you're looking forward to?

1349
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 3: Oh man, I just feel like I've made it to

1350
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: the big league. Look at that made it to the

1351
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 3: big of this.

1352
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: I mean, we went you know, this long, and we

1353
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: didn't even bring up Andrew Let's retirement. You got any

1354
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: hot you want to, you want to talk about it.

1355
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: Have we ever really seen this in in our modern

1356
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: fight era? Have I mean Rocky marcianoist is the one

1357
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 2: we always point to. But have we seen this? Because

1358
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: I think we're so accustomed with fighters when they do that,

1359
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: like Floyd Mayweather retiring after the Rooky hat and win

1360
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 2: walking away, but we all.

1361
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: Make it come back and something like that.

1362
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 3: But in the fight game, have we like, oh, in

1363
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 3: the fight game, is it the.

1364
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: Built in belief that they're always going to come back?

1365
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: That will never believe That's.

1366
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 3: The problem, right, because we've had guys, you know, Connor

1367
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 3: McGregor has retired, right, but he's always come back.

1368
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: Bring up when we just talked about him he announced

1369
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: with Ario Hawani that is not a retirement.

1370
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: It was the retirement. Everybody knows. I think we kind

1371
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: of took that as a given.

1372
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 3: But that's the problem, right, Like anybody was like, well,

1373
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 3: who is Stephan Struve recently retired and within the same

1374
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: year he's back. You know, he's fighting with the same leak. Yeah,

1375
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: so it's always with a grain of salt one guys

1376
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: like this, but it's very definitive when a guy like

1377
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 3: Andrew Luck and it just doesn't seem real, Like you

1378
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 3: see that habits like genuine shock because people are it's

1379
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 3: almost like such a privileged position to be a good

1380
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 3: quarterback in the league, guy who can actually you know,

1381
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 3: is a winner in the league and could actually win

1382
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 3: Super Bowls, and you know he's a franchise guy to

1383
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,479
Speaker 3: Stepway just shy of thirty years old, right, So that's

1384
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 3: it's shocking news.

1385
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 2: It's brought out an insane level of back and forth hate.

1386
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god talks from Dougletlibs tweet. I've been sending

1387
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: him that the ratio, but you know, I mean the

1388
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: fans booing him after finding that two minutes.

1389
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: Later, that's pretty bad.

1390
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 2: I'm not going to stand on the high horse.

1391
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, though, man, like, Okay, that's that's absurd

1392
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 3: behavior and any rational person is not going to behave

1393
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: that way. But I'm a denber Broncos guy, Like if

1394
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: John Elway is just right in the middle of his

1395
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: career is like I'm done, I'm pretty sure i'd be heartbroken,

1396
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure I would want to take off

1397
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd take off my jersey and

1398
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 3: burn it, but I'm sure that you would be like,

1399
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: oh my god, you've deceived me on some level, right,

1400
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: because that's your connection. We forget that these fans are

1401
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: that fanatical about their team, so I can see where

1402
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: those guys are coming from to any stuff.

1403
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: Do you think this is a hedge played by the Colts.

1404
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: They're not making him return any of the advanced money

1405
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: that we've seen in other situations Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson,

1406
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: other retirement. The Lions came after him for the money.

1407
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: I almost feel like the cults are saying, fine, dude,

1408
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: take a year off your break, biby res it's one

1409
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: vacation with the wife, but you will.

1410
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people talking about that, and.

1411
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of hot takes that maybe

1412
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: the XFL rout because his dad's been hired by vinsta

1413
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: God run that way. I mean, come out on that one.

1414
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he could do that, thought he couldn't contract.

1415
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: But but we don't see it in fighting.

1416
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: Move've seen Sugar Ray Leonard walk away with injuries and

1417
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: then come back I would like to. I mean, we've

1418
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: maybe inside of Rocky Marsale, there's really been the guys who.

1419
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: Really disappear don't announce the retirement like TJ. Grant, for instance,

1420
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: is one of those guys. He gets he works his

1421
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: way up in the lightweight division to earn a title shot.

1422
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: He's next he suffers a concussion doing jiu jitsu and

1423
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: it's almost like he went into the twilight zone.

1424
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: Nothing ever happened again. He never came back.

1425
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 3: I've always wondered what he really went on, you know,

1426
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: what really went on between all this stuff. But there

1427
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 3: are guys like that, but there are very few who

1428
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 3: can get to that level and then they just disappear

1429
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 3: or they retire. Those guys don't want to use that

1430
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: word and meaning no.

1431
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: And the reason why I bring that up about that

1432
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: you don't see that in fighting often because we never

1433
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: believe them. But number two, I bring it up because

1434
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: part of what Andrew Luck's talking about is has to

1435
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: be the young going thing about head trauma. It does

1436
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: get to a certain point, they've made the money, they've

1437
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 2: done certain things, they're sort of saying, what's the price

1438
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: I have to pay in combat sports. Good lord, I mean,

1439
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: it's part of the deal. And I'm a little bit

1440
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: surprised we don't see more guys get to the Connor

1441
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 2: McGregor level, get to after he beats Eddy Alvarez or

1442
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: even after the Mayweather and just go, look, I'm done, guys,

1443
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: Like there's a there's a lonely bad things that can

1444
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 2: happen you just point forward.

1445
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: He was one of the guys who I legit thought

1446
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: might stay up, like there was a possibility from a

1447
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 3: superstar standpoint like that, Like, who might not because he

1448
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 3: likes the money. He's already made a ton of money.

1449
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: He's always on Forbes' list every like just about every

1450
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: year over the last few years. Just knowing that, and

1451
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: then he has his whiskey everything else going on, I'm like,

1452
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: I thought maybe he might walk away, but he's also

1453
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: addicted to it on some strange level so that it doesn't.

1454
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: Surprise me that he's back, you know.

1455
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 3: But I'm like, there are a few guys who I

1456
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 3: think have that good sense in that big picture where

1457
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: they're like, hey man, I've taken every vital anything I

1458
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: can from the fight game. There's absolutely no point to

1459
00:56:58,600 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 3: stick around right in their prime.

1460
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 2: What would be the real quick the combat sports equivalent

1461
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 2: to the shock that we all saw when we saw.

1462
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: That Andrew luckwon news. You know you didn't see it coming.

1463
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: Is there is there? What would be the combat sports

1464
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: equivalent to that?

1465
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if there really.

1466
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: Is one, not that I can recall.

1467
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: No, that we haven't seen like that you saw tomorrow.

1468
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean it it would be something like that. I

1469
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know you.

1470
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess if it was a Deontay Wilder

1471
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: or somebody going, you know, it would happen to be

1472
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: somebody I've gotten to this point. Sorry, guy's not going

1473
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: to give you any of those big fights.

1474
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to walk away. Yeah, it would be interesting.

1475
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: It's such a different thing too with the team sport

1476
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 3: because there's a guy behind him right like that they're grooming.

1477
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: There's a guy.

1478
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: There's a fan base fantasy. So it's like, God, oh

1479
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: Jay Simpson's.

1480
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: Video, God, I'm surprised you didn't pull out the.

1481
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: Weapon at the end of them.

1482
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: I was very interesting, all.

1483
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: Right, I want of the tools with one thing.

1484
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: All right, this weekend it's chilling, got very serious, barbecuing

1485
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: and when I get out there, crack of beer and

1486
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: I'm barbecue in the backyard, the last days of summer,

1487
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: cool breeze, dogs running all around. I'm putting nineties music on.

1488
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 2: It's the way I the way I get down. Had

1489
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: this debate with my neighbor. Wanted to ask you, if

1490
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: you agree, I'm not asking you the best song of

1491
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties if you could go Black by Pearl

1492
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: Jam and I'll fight you if you want to argue

1493
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: on that. It's just one of those.

1494
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: But the most ninety song in.

1495
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: History, the song that is second you hear it, you're

1496
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: mentally back in, like nineteen ninety seven in your car

1497
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: driving around or whatever. I think the most nineties nineties

1498
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: song ever, or an Oco Flow, Semi Charmed Life, Third Life.

1499
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: I just heard that last night.

1500
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: That's funny.

1501
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: I just heard that my ninety song, and I think

1502
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: it would probably make a top ten of best ninety

1503
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: song too. In terms of calledy interesting, you're more big.

1504
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 3: Of a I will say I will say that I

1505
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: that is so when I hear that song, it is

1506
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 3: so very nineties that it does remind me one hundred

1507
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 3: percent of that decade. I will say that I don't

1508
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 3: know if I would put it as like my song

1509
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 3: of a decade.

1510
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: Or anything like that.

1511
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: I think the second I hear that, man, you're just

1512
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: right back, four right chords could make me cry, you

1513
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1514
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 3: But when I'm with you, back to when you're a

1515
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: teenager the nineties, Oh.

1516
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, community college and I ten eighty five Chevy celebrity.

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Speaker 2: You know at a lot of crazy things happened in

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Speaker 2: that car. All right, that's going to wrap it up

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Speaker 2: for Morning Combat this week. Shout out to the great

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. We had some fun with him. Look at

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Speaker 2: the former marine serving his country in his domble once again,

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Speaker 2: with Jerry Judy standing up for that man. I don't

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Speaker 2: think he lasted an hour. No, he's got too many

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Speaker 2: hardcore beliefs. I hope he ends up on like a

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Speaker 2: ridiculous trial.

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Speaker 1: That would be great.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe then I'll be back, Sure, maybe maybe then

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Speaker 3: we'll then we'll Where.

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Speaker 2: Can the people find you, Chuck min Inhall? Not all

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Speaker 2: these people already know who you are, but your work

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Speaker 2: at the Athletic is fantastic. Can I find on social media?

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Speaker 1: You can?

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Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter at at Chuck min

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Speaker 3: andall just my name and my Instagram, which I barely use.

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Speaker 3: I should use it more is at Chuck Underscore mind

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Speaker 3: and all.

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Speaker 2: All right, you haven't been in Laura Senko's MS right,

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Speaker 2: all right, just making sure. Brady Campbell signing off here.

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Speaker 2: Check all my podcast Day to Combat on CBS Sports

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Speaker 2: fore Sean Evans and myself breaking down all things.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week. More fighting, more combat. What

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Speaker 2: does Luke say, jump up, jump up and get down,

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Speaker 2: hands up, chin up, yup,