WEBVTT - 07/06/21 DPS Hour 3 Ric Bucher 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.600 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.600 Sports Radio. Who whoa our number three here on the 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:12.200 Dan Patrick Show. It's me Jason McIntyre and joining me 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.320 today LaVar Arrington, my guy, the Penn State legend from 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:20.360 a Washington redskin. I could say Washington redskin because it 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.800 was a redskin. Yes, I grew up in the DC area. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:26.400 I was born in New York, but grew up in 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.440 the DC area and Washington was everything. So naturally I 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:31.360 was like, I'm a Jets fan, Stay away from me, 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.840 you Washington animals. And of course Washington was good back 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:36.839 in the day, so I uh, and the Jets were 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.400 not and the Jets are still not good. I thought 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.320 we'd spend the final hour breaking down the Jets twenty 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:47.479 twenty one off season. Zac Efronic quarterback. Now that sounds 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.800 like watching paint draft. Yeah, they're not a playoff team 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:53.960 this year, but they're on the right track. I will 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:58.160 say that with mister salah As the rather talk about 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.880 there the relationship between the quarterback and his mom and 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.800 how that's playing out social media. No, is that not 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.000 going I have been blissfully ignorant to that. You know, 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.280 I gotta say LaVar. You know, we talked about it 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:14.679 a little bit on the Rachel Nichols Maria Taylor ESPN 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:19.679 Power Struggle Powder Keg story about ignoring it, just like 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.720 staying off social media is healthy for your mind, and 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.559 ignoring a lot of stuff is healthy for your mind. 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:31.040 Let's be realistic, Okay, whatever you just said about the 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.160 Jets quarterback, the rookie and his mom on social media, 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:38.120 like in the grand scheme of things, that's completely irrelevant, right, Like, 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:39.880 I don't think it's going to impact how you wager 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:44.119 on the season, predicting anything. It just doesn't matter. And 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.400 there's a lot of that happening on social media for instance, 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.560 you know the Rachel Nichols Maria Taylor topic we had 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.360 last hour kind of like doesn't really matter. It's a 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.000 little brush fire. It should be sorted out here in 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.600 the coming week and we'll move on and like in 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:04.680 the some stuff are really fascinating. Yeah, And you know, Frankly, LaVar, 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.919 the last decade in the NBA finals, we've had Curry 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.000 or Lebron and for the first time in ten years, 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.760 neither of them is in the finals. Do you think 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:18.040 that means because there isn't as much juice for Chris 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.560 Paul versus Drew Holliday that we're gonna see some stories 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.600 bubble up. This dude to eight a million hot dogs 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:28.480 on July fourth, Joey CHESTNUTT like, I don't know. Normally, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.080 I don't think that's a story at all, But I 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.880 did look in some websites that I read, and like, 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.919 his stuff was plastered everywhere, Like, do you even care 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.480 about that? Or do you care about the NBA Finals 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.600 which start tonight? Yeah? I care about the finals, man, Okay, 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.239 all right, I'm not really worried about Zach's mom and 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:50.400 her helping out people with getting in shape and helping 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.720 their relationships and stuff. I did go look at her 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.560 page though, on the Graham Well, yes I was. I 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:03.240 was intrigued enough the stories that were surfacing about him 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.400 wanting her off of social media because of the impact 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:11.560 that it was having on him, and I did go 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.160 visit the page. But I am certainly not more interested 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.440 in that than I am to see how these finals 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.679 kick off tonight. I mean, I think it's going to 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.560 be exciting. It's funny because Instagram has become huge. We 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.000 talked about name, image and likeness earlier in the show 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.520 and a lot of these female college athletes are have 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.120 huge followings and they're going to be getting paid. One 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.880 of the most interesting stories I heard, and this is 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.280 a little off topic of the NBA finals, was from 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.160 somebody we both know and they said they knew somebody 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.400 who was up for a top job at the w NBA. 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.640 And one of the biggest situations that the w NBA 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:50.760 was trying to handle was, Hey, we have a lot 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.960 of like women ballers who are huge on Instagram, but 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.880 they don't want to play in the w NBA because 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.120 they can make more money from the grand and social 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.360 media then they could play in the w NBA and 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.640 having to travel on buses and planes and practice and 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.720 games and how hard that is and how time consuming 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.720 it is. Levark, this is like a new frontier, is 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.080 it not? Social media and being able to make money 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:22.280 off it for basically doing not that much. Okay, So 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:26.479 I'm I'm old, but I'm not out of it. Yeah, 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.880 you're not out of times. Come on, and I use 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:33.040 social media and I gotta say it isn't you know 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.359 the whole thing with the Kardashians and how that turned 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.800 into a thing, and yeah, they have no talent and this, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.800 that and the other. And you know, for me, you 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.120 do have to have a game plan. You have to 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.440 have a strategy, you have to have execution, you have 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.400 to have consistence. To be attractive. Your body has to 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.000 be in tiptop shape. That's not matter, but not always 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.080 see that. The thing about it is is that you 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.160 have to have an angle and when you do, when 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.400 you it's much like what we do in media. You 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.240 have to create an angle and you have to create 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:15.279 an identity, something that people can identify with and something 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.160 that they can make a schedule for. I schedule myself 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.360 to look at this, this, this, this, this and this. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.360 And if you can do that, and you can do 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:30.360 it successfully, then you can monetize your brand in your 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:34.160 likeness and your image on social media. So I wouldn't 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:38.000 say it's it's you get a whole lot for nothing, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.640 because it's a very tedious job to create a facade. 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.320 So let me counter with two questions, LeVar Okaya, what 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.320 is the Milwaukee Bucks identity? Right? Why are we watching them? 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:51.920 What do we care about them? And be what's Kim 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:58.800 Kardashian's identity? You can take either one, Okay, I would 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.600 say The reason why you watch this finals with interest 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.960 is because it's a break from the norm of all 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.880 that hardcore rap that's gotten to be a little bit 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:14.320 out of control. Was cool to dance. Yeah, I think 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.760 it is. I think that is the identity is is 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:24.680 the NBA has created a machine that's largely driven by 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:29.239 a few different franchises and the rest of the people 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.120 just get the scraps from the table now and and 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.400 listen for what it's worth. We saw this take place 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:41.200 with Golden State, right if you would have said the 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.640 first the first appearance that Golden State made in the 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.760 Championship round, you know, people are looking at it from 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:54.800 the same perspective when something is new, you you you're skeptical, 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.360 You wonder about it, and sometimes either you want to 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.240 know more or you to touch from it. This is 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:06.040 two new teams that are going into battle for a 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.640 championship crown. I think there's there's entertainment. We get back 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.120 to the second Kardashian question, but to push back to 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.440 your pushback, Okay, you know I felt like the Warriors 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.720 were built around Steph Curry. Their identity was him. He 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.400 had built up an underdog narrative at Davidson, and then 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:26.400 he had really morphed into a family guy. And you know, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.480 Steph Curry I called in the face of the NBA 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:30.520 for a few years. There we've got a guy who 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.920 changed basically the geometry of the league. You've got to 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.280 guard me thirty feet from the hoop. Oh, And I 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.800 am a baby faced assassin, and I'm a family guy. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.360 And I bring my little daughter and my other kid 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.400 on stage to the podium like family guy, three point 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.920 marksman below the rim player in an above the rim league, 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.240 Like I love Steph Curry's identity. We don't need to 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.920 go to Lebron's identity. But you still had it still 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.680 had to get defined. Okay, but not really still don't 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.880 have a definition of the Buck's identity because I'm guessing 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.240 ultimately it comes down to it's Jannis the plastic man 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.640 who takes three steps from half court and can dunk, 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.480 and he's hurt and he's not playing, you know, But 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.880 there you go. That's I mean, that's a storyline. Even 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.480 if the identity is Jannis being the main guy, which 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.040 he is in the storyline of him being a back 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.960 to back MVP, which very few people have ever done. 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.760 If that's the storyline, and that's the I or if 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.920 that's the identity that gives you the storyline that you're 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:35.120 looking for, that's still a very interesting storyline to watch 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.920 play out. And then to go to Kim Kardashian. Let's 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.839 go to Kim ki. Okay, let's because Kardashians before he 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:46.520 goes to Kardashian. This to me is tangentially connected to 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.120 an LSU gymnast having a million Instagram followers and she's 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.240 gonna make six figures even though she's not an Olympian candidate, 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.400 but she has a monster Instagram following. You can go 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.240 look her up. I forget her name, but she's an 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:03.080 LSU gymnast and she's very go ahead. I would certainly 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:09.600 say that Kim Kardashian's identity is one of the biggest 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:14.520 influencers in social history, social media history of all time. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:21.440 I think I think she became a phenomenon based off 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:30.119 of obviously the phenomenon of content um that that surfaced 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.520 and that got things going. But let's be clear here, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:40.679 so many people kind of diminish and minimize what Kim 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.840 Kardashian has been able to do. I would liken Kim 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:50.560 Kardashian to Keenan averyway Ins or other other people who 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:57.160 have leveraged their fame to create success and opportunity for 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.760 the rest of their families. I mean, think about it. 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:06.760 Some people can say that Bruce Jenner was the catalyst 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:11.079 because he was so famous as as an Olympian. Quite frankly, 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.880 there are very few people who knew Bruce Jenner as 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.720 as the the you know, olympian that did so well. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.160 People may have known or had an inkling of it, 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.120 but not very much, not enough to move the needle 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:32.800 in current society. And Kim Kardashian made it so relevant, 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:38.319 made the family so relevant that she actually gave Bruce 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:43.040 the opportunity to change his entire gender, like his his 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:49.000 entire sexual orientation. So I would say the brilliance of 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:54.800 Kim Kardashian is she's influenced an entire an entire generation 0:10:54.920 --> 0:11:01.559 of people to getting um esthetically improved on a regular basis. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.840 And for what it's worth, if you look at social 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.839 media long enough, everybody looks like a knockoff, Like all 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:13.320 of the model type ones that that leverage social media anymore. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.839 Their lips are done a certain type of way. There 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.160 here is a certain type of way in color. Their eyebrows, 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:24.319 their eyelashes, their eyeliners, their their their shapes and their 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.840 figures and what they're wearing. It's all a very carbon 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:33.559 cut of of Kim Kardashian. Which the interesting thing is 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.240 then you have one sister that capitalizes on it and 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:42.079 becomes a billionaire off of off of cosmetic products. I'm 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.040 guessing the wig Ins reference has to do with sort 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.200 of in Living Color, the TV show that was basically 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.480 all but think about all of them, so many of 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:56.840 yes Jas, Fox on the Car, Tommy Davidson, David Allen Gray. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.719 Now in mid nineties, it didn't get much better, maybe 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.599 early nineties. Then in Living Color, J j J was 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.760 on their Fly Dancer, Fly Girl Listen LeVar. My parents 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.120 did not want my brother and I watching that show, 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.720 so they banned it because they had seen some skits 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.200 that were like pushing the envelope. We would secretly record 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.000 it right on VHS and of course watch it later 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.920 because we loved it. You know, there's no way to 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.959 secretly record they they just let you get away. You 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.360 would do. We would set the timer on the VCR, 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.640 make sure the TV was off, and we would like 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:29.880 put a tape in front of the VCR so you 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.080 wouldn't see that it was like read and recording or whatever. 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.760 We had systems, me and my bro I tried to 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.599 do that with HBO and Cinematch late Night, and that 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.319 kind of came up in our conversation early on. But 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:45.360 I always got candimas, yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.320 And there was only cable on two TVs in the house, 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:52.120 right so so, and the one didn't have a VCR 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.160 and the other was in my parents room, So you 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.719 had to be super creative and how you were doing it. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.240 But we wouldn't sneak to do it. I would let's 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.520 do it when they weren't at all. It's pretty smart 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.040 you to reference Kardashian and like in Living Color, I 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.520 like that now when you look at the Warriors, I 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.400 would say that Curry was a springboard for everything Golden 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.720 State's become. I mean, do we know who Draymond Green 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.800 is if not for Curry. Clay Thompson was really good, 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.240 but before that he was like at Washington State. His 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.840 big story was he got popped for marijuana and fell 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.360 a little bit in the draft. And like because Curry 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.480 started it. Everybody became a star. Andrea Gudala became a 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:34.760 Finals MVP. Kevin Durant went to Golden State and we 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.000 talked about identity, Like Durant went to Lebron route. I'm 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:39.880 going to be the villain, Okay, I'm going to do 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.120 the thing that nobody wants me to do. I'm gonna 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.079 wear that black hat and I'm gonna play that game. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.040 And what has it done? I mean, Kevin Durant is 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:50.280 a colossal global star, right. Kim Kardashian a global star, 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.600 though I will admit Kardashian did notice early. Oh, if 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.360 I date an athlete, I then have crossover fans. Athletes 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.400 are are there? Fans of athletes are passionate. She dated 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:06.199 Reggie Bush. She then moved over to music in Kanye West, 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.520 so she has your right had a plan to be 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.480 a star again. I just struggle with these NBA finals. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:18.320 There are none of these crossover, huge cultural people except 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.760 possibly Devin Booker, who is dating Kendall Jenner. Yeah, you're 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:32.600 going for I feel like I feel like, I think, 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:38.080 what does Chris Paul have an identity? Yes, he's one 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.400 of the greatest point guards of all time. He's in 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:45.360 State farm commercials. He's shown a side of him and 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.440 these commercials as of late where you know, we've always 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.800 looked at Chris Paul as the quiet type and and 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.880 and not, you know, seemingly as very marketable, almost like 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.880 how we look out of Kawhi Leonard. And I think 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.840 we have gotten to know that that Chris Paul does 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.640 have personality. Chris Paul can can be, you know, someone 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.720 who agitates and gets under your skin life. Yeah, I 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.080 mean real. I don't know if I could say this 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.600 word on air, but I alway, Sam it rhymes with 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.960 the word click. That's Chris Paul's identity. Okay, all of 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.840 his former teammates hate him? Do they not? Go ask 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.760 Black Griffin about Chris Paul. Go ask DeAndre Jordan about 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.760 Chris Paul. He's not well liked. Right, we can agree 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:32.760 on that agitator is almost soft LaVar. Yeah, it can be. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:37.040 But again, if I'm looking at identities, I think there 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.680 are a lot of identities that are going into this series, 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.040 and I think that you have to be open minded 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.760 enough to not limit it to just saying I hope 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.360 I can see Kylie Jenner there on the sideline clasping 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.920 on Devin Booker. Oh there you go. I'm more interested 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:59.320 in watching, Okay. I mean, yeah, you're right anyway. I'm 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.640 not thinking about out them in that way regardless, But 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:06.000 I'm just thinking about the identities that I get an opportunity, 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.840 you know, these, as a former pro someone who's never 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:15.800 made it that far in in competition, I just always 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:20.480 saw how big of stars guys became after they won. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:28.880 I mean, ray Lewis actually like was on trial, like incarcerated, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:34.560 you know, and then a year later totally erases, you know, 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.480 to a lot of people. I mean on a national scale, 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.840 what happened and becomes this mega star based off of 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:45.120 how he played. You know, you you look at the 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:50.480 you know, a Kurt Warner He's putting Sharman's and Bounty 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:55.960 on counters in a grocery store and becomes a Hall 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.640 of Famer. You know, it's it's just to me when 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.880 you look at where you're you're I mean, look at 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.440 Kawhi Leonard. No identity, he does not have one, but 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:12.159 his identity is there's no identity. Get view, all right, 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.200 we gotta take a break, LaVar, let's take We're coming 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.720 back with a guest. You know him well, he covers 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.840 the NBA. We'll ask him about his level of interest 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.720 in these NBA Finals, or does he care more about 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.400 Damian Lillard getting demanding a trade or Ben Simmons possibly 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.080 getting traded, or I don't know, does Kawhi Leonard leave 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.080 the Clippers. We'll talk about all that next here on 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.280 The Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to The Dan 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.000 Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.360 weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or six to nine 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.399 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.920 The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com, 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.240 or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.320 by searching f s R, or stream us live on 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.840 the Peacock Act. Back here on The Dan Patrick Show, 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.600 a gorgeous Tuesday morning in Los Angeles, LaVar Arrington and 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.480 Jason and McIntyre in the building and joining us. Now, 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.040 what are the top NBA insiders out there? FS one 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:13.840 NBA analyst ll Yeah, he's a superhero basically, yes, Rick Buker, Rick, 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.240 how are you man? I am doing well, gentlemen. I 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:21.080 hope your holiday weekend was a good one. And now 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:25.119 we get the NBA Finals kicked up with two brand 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.840 new teams to scene. So I'm I'm excited about it. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.199 I'm interested to see what happens. Yeah, well, what are 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.680 you most excited about? That? Chris Paul finally gets to 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.240 the finals? Devin Booker on a big stage? The Bucks 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.320 without Janis is not very exciting, and it's he's listed 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.440 as doubtful for Game one. I don't know, Rick, have 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:43.840 you heard if he's going to play at all in 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.399 the series? I have not heard. I think there's some 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.640 some cautious optimism that he will play at some point. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.080 How soon and obviously how long the series goes on 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:00.920 is going to to determine that. But Jason stop with 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.600 the Milwaukee Bucks have to have Janni Santa Takumpo or 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.920 they're not interesting. Did they not going to close out 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.480 the Atlanta Hawk and did we not see them play 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.560 a completely different way? I mean, there's intrigue here whether 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.040 Jannis plays or does not play because of the whole 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.680 question that has loomed over the Milwaukee Bucks, which is 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.040 do they need more around Janni Santa Tecumpo or does 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:30.119 Jani Santa Takumpo need to be more? And and I 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.840 honestly feel as if it is the ladder rather than 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.720 the former. And what we saw against the Hawks and 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.440 Drew Holiday's ability when allowed to be a true point 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.080 guard and Brook Lopez having a paint that he can 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.800 step into and not have to be a floor spacer, 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:52.000 tells you that there's a there is bonafide talent on 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:56.600 this Milwaukee Bucks team. I worry about their depth in 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.000 this series, and I'm not going to say that they 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.280 are better without Yannis, but I think there's a lot 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.399 of intrigue here on the Milwaukee buckside as well, and 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.040 I have every reason to believe that they could go 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.320 into Phoenix without Yannis and steal one of these first 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:16.760 two games. Still, I love it, Rick, You've kind of 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.280 hit the nail the way I've been hitting it. Um 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.720 During the conversations, I would ask, and you said you 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:25.960 didn't want to venture off into saying they were better 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:29.760 without Yannis, and I get that. But with that being said, 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:34.480 the different style of basketball that they played. I keep 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:39.800 referencing last year we saw this this team lose based 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:44.000 off of Yannis going out. This year, we see them, 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:48.160 with the addition of PJ. Tucker and Drew Holiday, as 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:53.280 a team that has seemingly more toughness about them, more 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:58.360 more grit, and more of a willingness to raise their 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:02.680 games and compete. And when Jannie went out, it seemed 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.119 as though it went to a whole other level. In 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:10.160 a way, if they get Yannis back, it's a great addition. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.680 It's not the total sum. Yeah, I look, this is 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.640 what and this is kind of falls on Mike Budenholzer 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:21.480 to make this happen, and based on his lack of adjustments, 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.520 I'm not confident that he's going to be able to 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:30.920 massage this. But I've always felt that Jannis, if you 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.119 use him properly, you can make him fit with the 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.640 rest of his team and take advantage of the different pieces. 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.200 But every time I see them give him the ball 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.320 at the top of the key, it scares the daylights 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.560 out of me. I don't want him with the ball 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.119 that far away from the basket, because there's the temptation 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.720 to shoot it from that far and the temptation to 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.879 put the ball on the floor in attack. In transition, 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:58.840 fine against the set half court defense, I want him 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.040 catching the ball below the free throw line, so there's 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:07.159 minimal dribbles and minimal exposure that he has before he 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:11.639 gets his feet into the paint. And I believe that 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.920 when he's most effective as when he's not handling the ball, 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.280 but when he's the roller, when he's setting the screen 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:21.560 and he's rolling off Chris Middleton or Drew Holiday. I 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:25.520 just I'm with you in that I'm not saying that 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:30.200 they are better without him, but I just I feel 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.200 as if they have to put him in his proper 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.639 role and we've become so used to calling him an MVP, 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.840 and he's the centerpiece of the team, like he can 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:40.440 be the centerpiece of the team, but he doesn't necessarily 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.680 have to be the centerpiece of your offense. And we've 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.879 seen it. I mean, Bobby Portis came in and I 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.879 was hoping that Jannis was. Bobby Portis is not as 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:54.320 talented as Jannis, not at the kumpo, but because of 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:58.960 the way he his patience and his willingness to just 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.720 see the glore and make the next right play and 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:09.480 not force anything, he was incredibly effective in every way offensively. 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:14.920 Now I keep waiting for the his his stagecoacht to 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.840 turn back into a pumpkin, Like when does the expiration 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.240 date on Bobby Portis having some of these games, Uh, 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:23.399 when do they figure him out and it and it 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:29.280 hasn't happened yet. But you know, ultimately, I the Phoenix 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.680 Suns can throw a lot of different bodies at him, 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.879 which is why getting Jannis back I think is key 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:37.920 to them winning the series. I think they can steal 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:41.119 a game in Phoenix. They cannot win the series without 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.800 Janist Compo simply because of the depth in the matchup. Yeah, so, Rick, 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:46.560 I don't want to beat up on the Hawks too much, 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.159 but you know, we're talking about an NBA finals now 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:54.040 where we've referenced Bobby Portis and Drew Holliday and Brook 0:23:54.119 --> 0:24:00.560 Lopez like that. Rick. You know, I love the NBA. 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.119 We've debated the NBA for years. I will argue with 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.400 you for hours on end about who's a top ten 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.480 player and Devin Booker's greatness and Steph Curry bubble. I 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:10.680 love the NBA. This to me is a tough sell. 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.480 I mean, the Bucks without Janni's beating up a beat 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.600 up Hawks team that outside that had no All Stars 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.159 is like, like, what are we talking about? Like, I mean, 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.600