WEBVTT - #899 Packers Unscripted: Heading to Denver

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joint as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my partner and Everything Packers, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you here from the Potawatami Sportsbook Studio inside the

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<v Speaker 1>walls of Lambeufield, and we're here west to preview preseason

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<v Speaker 1>game number two. A few hours after we shut the

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<v Speaker 1>cameras off here will be headed to the airport for

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<v Speaker 1>the trip to Denver, second preseason game of the summer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna throw it out there as an open

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<v Speaker 1>ended question to you to begin the discussion. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see in Denver on Friday night?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see Jordan Love and the offense go

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<v Speaker 2>down the field, maybe a nice seven to eight play drive,

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<v Speaker 2>finish it with a touchdown, get back on the sidelines. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>take the shoulder pads off and call it a night.

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<v Speaker 2>But that sounds like a good plan to me, And honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot to like about the performs in Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 2>They did move the ball. That was a big conversion

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<v Speaker 2>with the pass to Jaden Reid. Obviously it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>slowed down there as it crept near the red zone.

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<v Speaker 2>But overall, I think Matt Lafleur made it clear they

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<v Speaker 2>want to get the first team offense and defense. They

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<v Speaker 2>want to get them some reps, they want to get

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<v Speaker 2>them some snaps. There's some data on science behind it

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the output they're looking for maybe how

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<v Speaker 2>it helps not only with fast, fast start to the

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<v Speaker 2>regular season, but also potentially maybe on the injury prevention front.

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<v Speaker 2>But be that as it may, I mean, ultimately, you

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<v Speaker 2>look at what has happened this past week, Mike. We

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<v Speaker 2>just got done covering that practice on Wednesday, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers were fortunate in that they are down to two

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<v Speaker 2>guys that aren't on an injured reserve or a reserve

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<v Speaker 2>list right now. That miss practice. That's just Javon Bullard,

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<v Speaker 2>who's working through this foot issue and Darren Canard who

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<v Speaker 2>rolled his ankle last week in Pittsburgh. That's the healthiest

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<v Speaker 2>they've been all camped. Yep. So yes, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to stack days. You want to get some more

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<v Speaker 2>clar already these position competitions. But if Green Bay can

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<v Speaker 2>stay on the front end here of this injury thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that also puts them in a good spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Because every single day Mike Peru's x Twitter, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>go on NFL dot com, ESPN dot com. You're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>season ending injuries. You're seeing guys are gonna be out

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<v Speaker 2>for extended period of time. We saw what happened with

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal Adams in Minnesota. Guys have taken some pretty big

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<v Speaker 2>hits across the league. So if the Packers can get

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<v Speaker 2>to the start line here with most of their dudes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is gonna be the big the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>key to getting off to a fast start, especially during

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<v Speaker 2>that stretch without Micah Parsons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and as somebody who likes to follow the Ted

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<v Speaker 1>Thompson mantra of bubble wrapping guys to protect them for

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<v Speaker 1>the regular season. On the defensive side, I would just

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<v Speaker 1>as soon see the defense get another three and out

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<v Speaker 1>and get the starters off the field. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what Matt Lafleur's plan is, if he has

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<v Speaker 1>a certain number of snaps in mind, or if it's

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<v Speaker 1>just one series each side like it was last week.

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<v Speaker 1>We will see a few guys who are starters. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if they're going to play in Denver or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Jacobs just got back into practice this week, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's not doing eleven on eleven yet, so I would

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<v Speaker 1>think that's highly unlikely. Aaron Banks, Javon Hargrave, those guys

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<v Speaker 1>are just getting into eleven on eleven this week. So

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<v Speaker 1>will they be out there and for any preseason action

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<v Speaker 1>hard to say, So we'll just have to follow that

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<v Speaker 1>and see how it goes. For me. I look at

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<v Speaker 1>this game, and I guess it's the framework that I

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<v Speaker 1>use for preseason game number two is there are things

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<v Speaker 1>that I'd like to see happen again that happened in Pittsburgh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there are things I'd like to see that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't see at all in Pittsburgh in the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>So as far as the repeat type of things, I

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<v Speaker 1>look at Tray Smack and what he did in Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle McCord locking down the number three quarterback job. As

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<v Speaker 1>Kyron Drones got released after the Steelers game, can Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>McCord stack performances and build on what he did? Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the guys on defense who are not starters, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they're going to have a role rotationally for Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>Gannon guys like Brenton Cox and katano Oladappa who got

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<v Speaker 1>sacks in Pittsburgh. Can they build on those performances? Can

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<v Speaker 1>they do it again and keep stacking things together? Those

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<v Speaker 1>are the things, as far as the repeat performances that

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see. And of course the real curiosity

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<v Speaker 1>with tray Smack is at altitude, at you know, mile high.

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<v Speaker 1>Just how long is his range and will he get

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity for maybe one of those true monster kicks.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just have to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was asked about it in the locker room

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday. He also mentioned He's like, well, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I can probably go between sixty five and seventy, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna go out there and try.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna wear my leg out doing.

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<v Speaker 2>That, right, But I'll tell you this, the two fifty

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<v Speaker 2>eight yarders in Pittsburgh, I'm guessing those things would have

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<v Speaker 2>kept flying if you were in Denver with those with

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<v Speaker 2>those you know hits. I mean the guy, as I've

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<v Speaker 2>said time and time again, I mean when when people

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<v Speaker 2>look at why the Packers made this move, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's the natural leg talent. It's the fact that this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>rather effortlessly, least to the novice eye like me, he

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<v Speaker 2>goes out there and he kicks a fluid, procedural football.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't look like he's hop skipping and jumping into

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<v Speaker 2>that thing to get it to go sixty yards. So

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<v Speaker 2>and one question I'd asked him too, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is something worth repeating and worth talking about, is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's now also had three and a half

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<v Speaker 2>months of working with Daniel Whelan as his holder, and

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<v Speaker 2>the last few weeks obviously cal Adamitis is the long snapper.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point here, it appears in the next week

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Orzick will be back, So we'll see how the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers handle all of that. But the fact is is

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<v Speaker 2>that you could see a young man gaining comfort, and

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<v Speaker 2>for the packer's sake, what they have to hope is

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<v Speaker 2>with three weeks whatever it is now until that opener

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<v Speaker 2>in Minnesota, he's going to eventually hit a crescendo here.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel like he's in a good place entering the regular season.

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<v Speaker 2>But the talent and everything you want from a six

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<v Speaker 2>round pick is there. And to the other half of

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<v Speaker 2>the equation too, being able to go to Denver another

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<v Speaker 2>road environment, not just because I mean, obviously it's not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be sixty thousand screaming fans. But it's going through

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<v Speaker 2>the process of getting ready for the game. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>through the warm ups, Understanding now stadiums that you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>kicked in before like that, that's going to be critical

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<v Speaker 2>to this whole process. So I'm very excited to see

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<v Speaker 2>where it goes, and hopefully for Smack's case, putting the

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<v Speaker 2>best foot forward last week in Pittsburgh, you can take

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<v Speaker 2>that next step in Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point you make about a rookie

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<v Speaker 1>kicker having to learn all of these stadiums. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>there's a pregame process, not just to getting out there

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<v Speaker 1>and getting the leg warmed up, but understanding, Okay, where's

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<v Speaker 1>the wind coming from, how does it move in this stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>What's it going to do when I kick to this

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<v Speaker 1>end zone versus that end zone. All of that is

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<v Speaker 1>new to a rookie kicker in terms of the stadiums

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<v Speaker 1>that he's going to be performing in.

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<v Speaker 2>So some of the kickers I talked to in the

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<v Speaker 2>past two remember Georgia Tevekio, you got to think of

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<v Speaker 2>it like a golfer that if you're really good golfer,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna go out there and I know I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>you play. You can go out there and swing away

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<v Speaker 2>and have success on a golf course, but it's when

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<v Speaker 2>you actually go rep after round after round that you

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<v Speaker 2>start to get at least maybe not mastering it like Lambellfield,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least you have a little bit better background

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<v Speaker 2>on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, when it comes to the things in Pittsburgh

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<v Speaker 1>that we didn't see that I think, at least from

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<v Speaker 1>my perspective, that I would like to see for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it starts with number two quarterback Tyrod Taylor. It felt

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<v Speaker 1>like he just never really settled in in Pittsburgh. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there were some protection issues, the offense just wasn't in rhythm.

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<v Speaker 1>He was doing the best he could out there, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see maybe he gets, you know, a longer stretch

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<v Speaker 1>of playing time in this one, since there are only

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<v Speaker 1>three quarterbacks to get in the game, not four. But

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<v Speaker 1>we know what Tyrod Taylor can do. We've seen it

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<v Speaker 1>on the practice field when he really cuts it loose,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, plays with that fearless edge of all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna let it rip and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>let my guys make plays. That's the Tyrod Taylor I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see out on the field in Denver because

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<v Speaker 1>he just didn't get to that point in Pittsburgh, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it set off some alarm bells amongst the

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<v Speaker 1>fan base, and everybody's wondering, oh, well, then will Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>McCord be the number two? Because look how great he looked? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>trust us, I mean Tyrod Taylor has looked really good

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<v Speaker 1>in practice for the most part. I mean the defense

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna make their share of plays too. It just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't quite translate into that first preseason game when this

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<v Speaker 1>is his first time running Mattlefleur's offense and there's all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of moving parts. So I think there's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a brighter spotlight on the Packers number

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<v Speaker 1>two quarterback here to really get settled in. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna have another game. The starters won't have the

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona game, but the rest of the guys will have

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<v Speaker 1>the third preseason game against Arizona next week as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But it'd be nice to see Taylor kind of take

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<v Speaker 1>a step forward here.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to see one more series out of him

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<v Speaker 2>in Pitts. I thought did he go too?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it two?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think it was I can't right have

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<v Speaker 1>to look it up to be certain either way.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Kyle McCord finished the first half. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that that's how quick that was. I was thinking maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we would see Taylor for a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 2>an extended time there, even with the competition brewing for

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<v Speaker 2>that QB three spot, because you assumed you know your

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<v Speaker 2>drones well in this case now would be McCord, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he's Kyle McCord's going to play a lot in that

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<v Speaker 2>preseason finale. We already know that. Well, we'll see what

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<v Speaker 2>happens to night. Now, maybe the Packers wanted, knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to get down to three quarterbacks, they maybe

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to get McCord out there and then see what

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<v Speaker 2>drones could do depending on what McCord did. That makes

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<v Speaker 2>total sense. Obviously, thirty seven years young, Tyrod Taylor is

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<v Speaker 2>a known commodity at this point, you kind of know

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<v Speaker 2>what you're going to see from him. We've obviously seen

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<v Speaker 2>it and stretches here during training camp. So but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to see him get that work because one,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously there's something to be said for just having your

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<v Speaker 2>number two guy ready and this in if everything goes

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<v Speaker 2>accord play. This will be the only time that Tyrod

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor plays meaningful snaps this season, right, unless it's a

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<v Speaker 2>Week eighteen type deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's the hope.

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<v Speaker 2>But you also want to be able to get the

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<v Speaker 2>reps for the guys around him.

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<v Speaker 3>I said.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the intriguing things, and it was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the great things about having Malik Willis is when you

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<v Speaker 2>have a competent starting caliber or guy that's definitely done

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<v Speaker 2>at that level, you know, option at quarterback with the twos,

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<v Speaker 2>that gives you a better read of the running backs,

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<v Speaker 2>That gives you a better read of the tight ends

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<v Speaker 2>and the receivers, and in some cases probably can give

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<v Speaker 2>you a better read of the offensive line too, depending

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<v Speaker 2>on you know, the type of pocket they're giving him

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<v Speaker 2>and how he's utilizing it. Right. So I want to

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<v Speaker 2>see that in what Green Bay can do. I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to see an extended drive for that two offense, and

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<v Speaker 2>certainly when you look at the second half, just finding

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<v Speaker 2>a way for the young guys on this roster to finish,

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<v Speaker 2>to finish strong.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the next thing I was going to bring up,

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<v Speaker 1>is when you talk about the second half of the

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<v Speaker 1>game in Pittsburgh, there were a lot of things going

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<v Speaker 1>wrong on both sides of the ball. You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>Kyron Drones went in to quarterback on offense, it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a jail break with regard to the protection.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't really have a chance back there. Defensively, Drew Aller,

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<v Speaker 1>the Pittsburgh rookie quarterback from Penn State, was putting on

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<v Speaker 1>a show. The Packers defense in the second half of

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<v Speaker 1>that game just didn't put up enough resistance at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a real struggle out there. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to put anybody on blast here individually, but there were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of guys who are up against it here.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fighting for roster spots. This is you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>battling for their NFL livelihood here, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>those guys did not put a lot of good stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on film in Pittsburgh, and they need to bounce back.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to They need to try to start stating

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<v Speaker 1>a better case to the personnel department that whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>for the fifty three or for the practice squad, that

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<v Speaker 1>they're worth keeping around and seeing, as you said, a

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<v Speaker 1>better finish to the game with whoever is out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying they need to dominate the game,

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<v Speaker 1>but you at least have to be able to hold

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<v Speaker 1>your own against the same guys on the other squad

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<v Speaker 1>who were in the same position as you. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see that last week in Pittsburgh, and I think we

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<v Speaker 1>hope to see it in Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>And if I was the Packers again, we saw Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>Longwell come in and talk with Tray Smack a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit two weeks ago. I would call up Justin McCrae

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<v Speaker 2>and I would have him and come to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do a speech to the guys, because, like as I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote Insider Inbox, the year that McCray made the roster

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<v Speaker 2>in seventeen and ended up pushing for a starting spot

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<v Speaker 2>straight away, he played over two hundred snaps in the preseason.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. There were four games.

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<v Speaker 3>There were four games. That's fifty snaps a game.

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<v Speaker 1>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a couple of them, want to say, there

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<v Speaker 2>was two of them where I think he played start

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<v Speaker 2>to finish, just at different positions. That's how Justin McCrae

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<v Speaker 2>made the Packers fifty three man roster. It wasn't based

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<v Speaker 2>on a projection or hey he was a draft pick,

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<v Speaker 2>or hey, you know, we saw enoughter in the first

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<v Speaker 2>two series. We'll see what happens. Actually, no, justin McCrae

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<v Speaker 2>single time he was out there, had to earn a

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<v Speaker 2>spot on that roster and ultimately, you know, turn into

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<v Speaker 2>a really good pro in a versatile guy not only

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<v Speaker 2>in Green Bay but in some other stops. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff fits together. And if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>know what it's like, I mean the Packers they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to cut the roster here mic in ten days or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. Yeah, they're gonna go from ninety one

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<v Speaker 2>players on this roster to fifty three, forty eight of

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<v Speaker 2>which will be active on game day and then a

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<v Speaker 2>smathering of others who will finish out the practice squad.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to be among those fifty three, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all to play for in these In these two preseason

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<v Speaker 2>games next week in the joint practice with Arizona, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a chance to really show yourself and show what

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<v Speaker 2>you can do. So I've always said this, it's about

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<v Speaker 2>making yourself undeniable this time of years. It's one thing

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<v Speaker 2>to be a draft pick, it's one thing to get

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<v Speaker 2>a benefit of the doubt, but a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>it's when the Chris Banjos show up and push the

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<v Speaker 2>entire group that you end up seeing a position battle

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<v Speaker 2>not just in theory be competitive, but in actuality seeing

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<v Speaker 2>it play out.

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<v Speaker 3>On the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Packers Unscripted previewing preseason Game number two

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<v Speaker 1>in Denver, West. I want to build a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>on what we I believe we finished our last show

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this competition that is going on at defensive tackle.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers know Davante Wyatt, Javon Hargrave, the veteran Carl Brooks.

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<v Speaker 1>Those guys have been you know, when they've been in

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<v Speaker 1>the eleven on eleven they pretty much been with the ones.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's this color of guys now, Jonathan Ford, Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Campbell and the zir Stackhouse, Warren Brinson, Chris mcclell and

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<v Speaker 1>the rookie third round pick. There isn't room for all

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<v Speaker 1>of them on the fifty three. I mean that the is,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could make a case that at different times

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<v Speaker 1>in training camp, each one of them has shown that

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<v Speaker 1>they might belong on an NFL fifty three, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>in Green Bay or elsewhere. The way this is shaping up,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will see what happens in Denver, because there

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<v Speaker 1>can always be something happens that, you know, somebody makes

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of plays and somebody else, you know, has

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<v Speaker 1>an off night where you get some separation here amongst

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<v Speaker 1>these guys. To me, this feels like it's shaping up

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<v Speaker 1>where the most difficult roster decisions are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>at that position, because big guys don't grow on trees,

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<v Speaker 1>and so anybody who has shown something on preseason film

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<v Speaker 1>looks like they could be a player at the three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ten three hundred twenty three hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>pound range. Those big guys in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive line, those guys can be better than what other

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<v Speaker 1>teams have, and they're gonna make waiver claims when those

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<v Speaker 1>guys are available. So to me, it's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>very very interesting process the decision making at defensive tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see if we get some separation in that

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<v Speaker 1>regard my East preseason game.

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<v Speaker 2>My years perked up when we were talking to Jonathan

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<v Speaker 2>Ford on Wednesday win in the locker room when he said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is probably the most competitive room I've been in,

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<v Speaker 2>and I stopped for a second. I'm like, Jonathan's been

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<v Speaker 2>in some pretty darn good d line rooms here in

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay. It was one of the reasons he had

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<v Speaker 2>such trouble the first three years getting onto the field

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<v Speaker 2>was how competitive these defensive lines have been. I also

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<v Speaker 2>have this little bit of a joke that I've been

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<v Speaker 2>saying to myself of if you ever want to keep

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<v Speaker 2>a position group healthy, just switch Jonathan Ford to that

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<v Speaker 2>spot if you want to make.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, because he's been he's never been able to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to break through because nobody in front of him ever

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<v Speaker 1>gets hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>He mentioned that too about Kenny Clark. He's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when I was here with Key, I mean, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take Kenny Clark off the field put me in. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like it just is impossible. So but what I love

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<v Speaker 2>about him in particular, this dude is six foot five,

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and thirty eight pounds and he is not

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<v Speaker 2>a big just kind of he wears his weight. Well yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just when I want to make sure I say this

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<v Speaker 2>the right's He's a massive human being and for the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers that was one of the things that drew him

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<v Speaker 2>them to him when they drafted him in the seventh

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<v Speaker 2>round back in twenty twenty two. He had to bounce

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<v Speaker 2>around that. The weird thing is, though Jonathan Ford, I

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<v Speaker 2>think has only truly been cut like one time, and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously he was with the Bears for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>They let him go, the Packers claimed his contract. They

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<v Speaker 2>brought him back when they were really beat up defensive line,

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<v Speaker 2>and he finally got a chance to play for Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay after you know, being here for two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half years the first time around. So ask Matt LeFleur

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<v Speaker 2>about that. He mentioned he loves the maturity of him.

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<v Speaker 2>He feels like he's he's matured both as a player

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<v Speaker 2>and a person. I think you see a difference out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was quoted on Twitter as saying, I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more game. You're seeing him with some

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<v Speaker 2>of the running backs and he's using his power. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a couple of times that some rbs have

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<v Speaker 2>ended up on the ground just based on Hey, Jonathan's

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<v Speaker 2>finishing the play. So I'm excited to see what he

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<v Speaker 2>can do with it. The guy is getting first team reps.

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be a critical stretch for him the

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<v Speaker 2>last two weeks and his ear Stackhouse has done it

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<v Speaker 2>at a high level. He earned the spot last year

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<v Speaker 2>as an undrafted rookie to keep that streak going for

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay. And then you look probably a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more in terms of the investment side of things. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Chris McClellan and Warren Brinson are both in a

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<v Speaker 2>position to help this team this year. I agree McClellan

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<v Speaker 2>has come in and looks the part. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>is a different type of body type at that position.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not as big as a Jonathan Ford, but my goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy just knows leverage, he knows pad level and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a coincidence that he had as many sacks

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<v Speaker 2>and TFLs and everything at Missouri as he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He's sort of a slightly taller Mike Daniels. That's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what I think he's not as he's not as squatty,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean that, and I'll due respect to Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a great friend of ours. He's not as squatty

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<v Speaker 1>as Mike Daniels, but he's just he's just a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit taller. But yet there's some similarities.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want Mike to punch me in the

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<v Speaker 2>face for saying this, and he may, but Mike Daniels

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<v Speaker 2>made himself into a Pro Bowl defensive lineman, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think if he had a little bit more of the size,

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<v Speaker 2>he could have been an all pro. Right, he did everything,

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<v Speaker 2>He got everything out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of his body type. I totally agree to play that.

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<v Speaker 2>Position at the high level that he did for ten years. McClellan, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is thicker. He's naturally heavier, and to your point, for

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that I think is listed at sixty two

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<v Speaker 2>or sixty three, he just is. He has a way

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<v Speaker 2>of getting underneath the pads of offensive linemen. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>excited to see what he has that mix. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be a very interesting contrast there to Wyatt

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<v Speaker 2>to Brooks and you know also to Javon Hargrave, who

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<v Speaker 2>is a guy that has sort of taken him under

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<v Speaker 2>his wing as well. Hargrave comes back in the teamwork

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<v Speaker 2>this week, comes back into one on ones. He looks

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<v Speaker 2>like he still has plenty to offer at thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>and then once again, Wyatt was extended this offseason. They

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<v Speaker 2>view him as the cornerstone to this whole thing. Packers

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of options up front, and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like now that they're making this transition, however, many plays

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<v Speaker 2>they play of bass or however many times they use

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<v Speaker 2>a three interior defensive line front. There's just so many

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<v Speaker 2>different looks that they can present a defense right now

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<v Speaker 2>with whomever survives on that fifty three come week one.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, I want to get one last thought

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<v Speaker 1>and it can be a quick hitter if you want.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there anything about me that's a quick hitter?

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<v Speaker 1>Usually that's okay, Or we can expound something that you

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<v Speaker 1>want to see in Pittsburgh. And I'm gonna start because Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Yeah, what about Denver. That's right, that's where

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<v Speaker 1>the plane is going to. We're going west. Not easy.

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<v Speaker 3>You just want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, head back there again. For me, it's I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to see and this is almost it's not for

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<v Speaker 1>my benefit, it's it's sort of for the fan base's

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<v Speaker 1>benefit because of all the questions that we get in

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<v Speaker 1>insider inbox about this. I want to see one explosive

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<v Speaker 1>play from Marshawn Lloyd.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just so so.

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<v Speaker 1>That the fans can see what we see on the

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<v Speaker 1>practice field and what we know he's got and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he got back into action against Pittsburgh his

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<v Speaker 1>first game in basically a year, only his second game

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<v Speaker 1>in two years because of getting injured in the Indianapolis

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<v Speaker 1>preseason game last year. There's so much there for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't and as I said before, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Jacobs is going to play in this game. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Lloyd is going to be in there with the starters,

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<v Speaker 1>and whether it's on a running play, whether it's on

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<v Speaker 1>a swing pass, I would like to see one explosive

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<v Speaker 1>play from Marshall Lloyd so all the fans watching it

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<v Speaker 1>at home can go, oh, that's what these guys keep

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. So that's my last thought for today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you on that because I think with his

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<v Speaker 2>shiftiness underneath, if he breaks in the open field and

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<v Speaker 2>his explosiveness from there. He's a guy that can take

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<v Speaker 2>it to the house on any given play for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember when we talked to Jonathan Gannon earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this week, he talked about too many explosive plays a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was the second thing that was quickly off

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<v Speaker 2>his tongue right after that, takeaways. We need more takeaways.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to see takeaways. We've seen plenty of guys

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<v Speaker 2>get interceptions in practice. We saw it on Wednesday with

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<v Speaker 2>Kamal Hadden coming back off that fractured fibula. He's able

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<v Speaker 2>to go out there and make a play playing the

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<v Speaker 2>nickel for the first time in his career. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if Kamal is going to go or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who's all going to be out there,

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<v Speaker 2>but finding some of those opportunities for a young defensive player,

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<v Speaker 2>preferably even a defensive back, seeing somebody kind of grab

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<v Speaker 2>the brass ring there because there's so many different options

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<v Speaker 2>at cornerback, there's so many guys competing for spots at safety.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that a guy like Mark Perry has worked

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<v Speaker 2>his way into that conversation after much like Anthony Campbell

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<v Speaker 2>being this late arrival in twenty twenty five and now

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly he's still here in August pushing for a spot.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see not only obviously the reduction of

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<v Speaker 2>the explosive plays for the Broncos, but finding a way

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<v Speaker 2>to take that ball away because when you think about

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<v Speaker 2>the things that really plagued the Packers defense last year,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we kind of not just us, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think everybody in general puts a lot of it on.

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<v Speaker 2>While they lost Michael Parsons in Week thirteen, but there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of football games before then. The Packers

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<v Speaker 2>were struggling to take the football away before then. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to be able to get those opportunities and seize them,

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<v Speaker 2>because there were opportunities. It's not like Green Bay was

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<v Speaker 2>just not near the football last year, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have enough people grabbing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, when you emphasize something, you need to get those results.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to get what you emphasize, and that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>translate for Green Bay in twenty twenty five, and defensively

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<v Speaker 1>it needs to translate in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you this man like Zavier McKinney made pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much the most of his shots.

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<v Speaker 3>Last year, there was a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he wanted back, but the teams adjusted how

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<v Speaker 2>they attack the Packers' defense with Xavier McKinney on the

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<v Speaker 2>back end, with Evan Williams on the back end. Williams

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<v Speaker 2>still end up, I think having three interceptions of leading

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<v Speaker 2>them in that category when other guys have those chances.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're going to push on other parts of the defense,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be able to seize that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you got to cash in for sure. With that,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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<v Speaker 1>Be sure to follow all of our coverage continuing of

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<v Speaker 1>training camp as well as the preseason game in Denver

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>Night for Wes I am Lake.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for tuning in everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>We will