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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace State versus Sean Combs aka

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Speaker 1: Diddy aka Puff aka Puffy aka puff Daddy aka Love.

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Speaker 2: He wants that jewelry to think of him as mister Rogers.

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Speaker 1: Wash your filthy mouth out with soap. He is a

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Speaker 1: criminal from the beginning to the end.

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Speaker 3: Everyone may agree that Combs was a bad boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: A bad boyfriend, a bad boy lifestyle.

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Speaker 4: Isn't the same thing as a criminal lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a death knell. We are live at

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Speaker 1: the courthouse and joining us now investigative reporter Lauren Colin,

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Speaker 1: star of Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. A lot happening in the courtroom today.

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Speaker 5: What happened after Kid Cutti took the stand?

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Speaker 6: Today we heard from a celebrity makeup artist, Myran Morales,

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Speaker 6: who was very good friends with cass and she described

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Speaker 6: an altercation before the VMA's in twenty ten where she

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Speaker 6: was in a conjoining room. So I guess two double

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Speaker 6: sweets is how I understood it. And she talked about

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Speaker 6: how she heard but didn't see what appeared to be

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Speaker 6: a altercation between Cassie and Ditty, and she saw Cassie's

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Speaker 6: injuries after the fact, she told Cassie to go to

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Speaker 6: the hospital and Cassie did not, But she testified that

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Speaker 6: she remained close with Cassie and Cassie felt comfortable enough

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Speaker 6: to stay at her house. She even said that during

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Speaker 6: one occasion, she called one of her doctor friends to

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Speaker 6: come over and look at Cassie's injuries, and she also

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Speaker 6: had Cassie talk to one of her lawyer friends, but

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Speaker 6: nothing ever came of that. During the cross examination done

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Speaker 6: by Anna Staveo, she really hammered Morales on the fact

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Speaker 6: that she's done two documentaries about Ditty and multiple media

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Speaker 6: interviews totaling eight. She also got Morales to admit that

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Speaker 6: she sold photos of Kim Porder for money and took

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Speaker 6: money from one of the documentaries in order to expense therapy.

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Speaker 6: And then we saw a homeland security agent who specialized

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Speaker 6: in digital forensics. He went through how he was able

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Speaker 6: to obtain different footage from Cassie's three different devices, these

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Speaker 6: mac book devices from twenty ten and possibly even earlier,

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Speaker 6: and he made sure to tell us in very technical

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Speaker 6: terms chain of custody, how he did this and how.

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Speaker 5: He was able to extract the data.

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Speaker 6: A lot of the messages came from being stored on iTunes,

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Speaker 6: which is what we used to use before we had

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Speaker 6: the iCloud.

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Speaker 5: And then he explained why you.

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Speaker 6: Might see some issues with the way messages are shown

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Speaker 6: based on the extraction, because we have seen double messages,

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Speaker 6: we've seen blank messages. So he was explaining this to

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Speaker 6: us now when Tony Gergoez got up to do her

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Speaker 6: cross she asked about it was one of the MacBooks

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Speaker 6: that had two user names on the login screen.

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Speaker 5: One was Frank Black.

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Speaker 6: Which we know was one of Ditty's aliases, and the

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Speaker 6: other one was a guest user. The HSI agent confirmed

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Speaker 6: that no data was extracted from the one user, but

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Speaker 6: when Garagos was finished and they did the redirect, they

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Speaker 6: really made sure to say that they only extracted data

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Speaker 6: from Frank Black after they got a search warrant because

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Speaker 6: Cassie she willingly gave over her devices, but it's clear

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Speaker 6: Frank Black is one of Ditty's aliases and so they

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Speaker 6: needed a warrant for that. We also heard from the

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Speaker 6: general manager of the Hermitage Hotel and Beverly Hills, and

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Speaker 6: essentially what he showed us was different names that were

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Speaker 6: used to check into these hotels. Frank Black, we saw

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Speaker 6: Frank White, we saw Jackie's Star, which we know is Cassie.

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Speaker 6: And then we saw notes that they took that are

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Speaker 6: they just helped the hotel staff know who's coming to

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Speaker 6: the hotel what to expect, and it was a lot

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Speaker 6: of corroboration in these notes as to what to expect.

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Speaker 5: When Frank Black or Sean Combs arrives.

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Speaker 6: There were notes that the cleaning staff should add one

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Speaker 6: thousand dollars extra for a deep clean or for damages

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Speaker 6: because they noted that there was candle wax everywhere, candle

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Speaker 6: waxes on the carpet, on the nightstands. They also noticed

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Speaker 6: or noted that there would be oil spilled everywhere and

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Speaker 6: they would have to do a deep clean. So again

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Speaker 6: there was a lot of corroboration, and there was no

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Speaker 6: cross examination for the hotel manager, Evan.

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Speaker 1: It was pouring from the witness stand and we are

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Speaker 1: alluring that even when Sean Combs is arrested, knowing that

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Speaker 1: he may turn himself in, even that night, when his

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Speaker 1: five star hotel is rated, it's full a damning evides.

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Speaker 7: Listen, Homeland Security special agent, you've seen Binda who searched

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Speaker 7: Seawan Comb's Manhattan Park Hyatt Hotel suite the day of

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Speaker 7: his arrest. Bottles of baby oil and Loube were scattered

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Speaker 7: the living room. Pill bottles found in a Louis Vauton

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Speaker 7: toiletry bag contained klonopin prescribed for frank black in a

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Speaker 7: pink powder that tested positive for ketamine and MDMA. A

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Speaker 7: fanny pack contained nine thousand dollars cash, and Benda said

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Speaker 7: it appeared a woman was staying in the room with Combs.

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Speaker 1: That's not all that was found. Shawn Combs planning a

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Speaker 1: freak off and a five star hotel in Manhattan when

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Speaker 1: he's arrested. Sidney's Sumner joining us. What is astro glide?

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Speaker 8: Astroglide is lubrication for sexual purposes?

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Speaker 1: Nancy, Okay, I'm just curious, Josh Ritter, You're so busy

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Speaker 1: planning how you can destroy Donna Schard on the stand,

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Speaker 1: How can tear her testimony into shreds? You tell me

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Speaker 1: after all this, and this is after a federal multi

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Speaker 1: count indictment. There he is the night of his arrest

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Speaker 1: with a hotel room stuffed stuffed with astroglide, multiple bottles

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Speaker 1: of baby oil, all sorts of lubricants, sex aids, and

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Speaker 1: tons of cash and drugs. I mean, the man can't

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Speaker 1: help himself. He is a criminal from the beginning to

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Speaker 1: the end. This is the night of his arrest.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know where to go with that. It

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Speaker 9: doesn't look good. You're absolutely right. Here's the thing, though,

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Speaker 9: that the defense is going to have to continue to

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Speaker 9: hammer home. And maybe this is becoming a hill too

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Speaker 9: high decline, but it's the idea that as deviant as

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Speaker 9: this is, as outrageous as it is, where is the

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Speaker 9: crimes here? I know we're hearing a lot of testimony

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Speaker 9: about really kind of sick behavior, But have we heard

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Speaker 9: a lot about him understanding that consent was not being given?

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Speaker 9: Have we heard a lot about criminal enterprise? What prosecution's

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Speaker 9: going to happen?

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Speaker 1: You're actually making my teeth hurt? Does he understand lack

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Speaker 1: of consent? According to the state, the women were drugged

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Speaker 1: out of their gourds. Didn't you hear about that? Louis

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Speaker 1: Vuton bag stuffed full of ecstasy, coke, pot Plan B

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Speaker 1: birth control and I mean just one Plan B birth

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Speaker 1: control appeal, I mean a whole Louis Vuton bag. Sidney

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Speaker 1: Sumner tell him what was in the Louis Vuton bag

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Speaker 1: that comes carried constantly.

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Speaker 8: There was quanapin prescribed for Frank Black, which is an

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Speaker 8: alias that comes used very frequently when booking hotel rooms

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Speaker 8: for freak off. And they also found pink powder sometimes

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Speaker 8: referred to as pink cocaine or to us, and that

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Speaker 8: tested positive for both ketamine and ecstasy.

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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter is joining me, the PR publicist for Shawn Coms,

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Speaker 1: former PR, former PR gury for Shawn comes and see

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Speaker 1: everything went to crap when you left? Host of Not

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Speaker 1: Even Nice podcast and author of the four Word Answer.

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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, question to you, You're hearing about threats from

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Speaker 1: another star, Don Richard on the stand, threats that people

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Speaker 1: disappear when they talk. Did many people surrounding Shawn Combs

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Speaker 1: have to sign an NDA non disclosure agreement?

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Speaker 2: And why yes, absolutely, there are NDAs everywhere. I did

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Speaker 2: not sign one, but lots and lots of people that

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Speaker 2: worked for Puffy did sign NDAs. And this is because

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Speaker 2: he doesn't want the truth getting out, not necessarily about

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Speaker 2: the accusations. We are talking about today, but his whole life.

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Speaker 2: He's a complete control freak. He decides what's in the media,

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Speaker 2: what's in the press, and what isn't. You don't decide

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Speaker 2: that he does. An example, even though I didn't have

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Speaker 2: an NDA with him, every press release I sent out

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Speaker 2: about Puffy, whether it be playing Broadway, running a marathon,

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Speaker 2: changing his name, he approved. He approved it, and a

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Speaker 2: lot of celebrities sort of glance at these Pointy.

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Speaker 1: Did he change his name so many times?

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Speaker 2: Rob we get attention, to get attention, We'd literally be

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Speaker 2: sitting in his conference room and he was like, not

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Speaker 2: getting a lot of press this week, Let's change my name.

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Speaker 2: Which is why I have said, and I believe this

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Speaker 2: in a really perverse way. Did he is enjoying what

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Speaker 2: is happening right now? He has made himself one of

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Speaker 2: the most famous people in the world, And in a sick,

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Speaker 2: perverse way, I think he's secretly enjoying that we're all

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Speaker 2: talking about shooter.

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Speaker 1: What about this pr fail? First of all, we hear

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Speaker 1: all about did he's tutsy role last week? Rape victim?

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Speaker 1: When he saw that wasn't as afraid anymore. Then we

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Speaker 1: have damning testimony on the stand just pouring from Cassie

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Speaker 1: material with a jury looking over at him like upos. Oh,

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Speaker 1: now we hear the latest PR fail where Sean Combs

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Speaker 1: as PR. People are paying just by standers out in

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Speaker 1: front of the courthouse, paying them twenty dollars an hour

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Speaker 1: to wear a free Puffy T shirt and the press

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Speaker 1: found out about it.

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Speaker 10: Pathetic, but not surprising.

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Speaker 2: It seems to be here that Puffy is really waging

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Speaker 2: a two prong war, a legal war and a PR war.

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Speaker 2: PR is very important to Puffy. He has spent a

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Speaker 2: lot of money on publicists and these T shirts. We

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be that surprised. He's done this before. When I

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Speaker 2: was working with him, he was trying to get young

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Speaker 2: shirts called vote or Died that he sold he made

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Speaker 2: money from at his store. So I'm wondering if these

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Speaker 2: T shirts were produced by Sean John his clothing blind.

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Speaker 2: If not, then I do believe that this would ultimately

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Speaker 10: It's an old PR too. It didn't work back then,

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Speaker 10: it's not going to work today. Yeah, they just tried

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Speaker 10: to do almost twenty dollars to wear a pretty fucky

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Speaker 5: I knew I.

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Speaker 11: Could tell because the lady right this, she just kept

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Speaker 11: convincing me to wear to go wear a shirt, and

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Speaker 11: I'm like, I'm gonna found it.

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Speaker 1: That's what.

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Speaker 5: So that's just twenty dollars.

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Speaker 6: And if you guys were you need twenty dollars, all

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Speaker 6: you have to do is wear free pump shirt.

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Speaker 8: Stand out here and you said out yeah, did they

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Speaker 8: say how many hours?

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Speaker 1: Twenty hours?

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Speaker 6: She told me she got to play like sixty dollars

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Speaker 6: yesterday for spending hours three hours.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, did you how the mighty have sunk?

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Speaker 1: That's from TikTok At Emily knows everything, Rob Shooter or

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Speaker 1: former PR guru too Sean comes. It's bad enough to

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Speaker 1: pay people to wear free puffy t shirts, but then

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Speaker 1: they get busted on it.

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Speaker 2: Humiliating, stupid. This stuff gets has really really quick in

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Speaker 2: the press. But my sources are telling me it's actually

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Speaker 2: worse than what we just saw. But Did his team

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Speaker 2: has been trying to convince people to just show up.

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Speaker 2: They want want crowds outside this course house. Insiders are

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Speaker 2: telling me that Did is really angry that people are

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Speaker 2: not on the streets. His ego was so big, is

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Speaker 2: so big that he predicted hundreds, if not thousands, of

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Speaker 2: people would be outside that court has nobody is really there?

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Speaker 10: That's about a hundred or so.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, dear, he's really angry this time. So he's

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Speaker 1: mad about his tootsy roll everybody finding out about that.

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Speaker 1: He is mad about. What is he mad about? Throngs

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Speaker 1: of people not coming to the courthouse? Did you say thousands?

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Speaker 2: You better believe it, Nancy. This guy as a huge ego.

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Speaker 2: When I was with him, he wanted crowds everywhere, and

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Speaker 10: And the things you.

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Speaker 1: Find people to come out and fawn over Sean comes.

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Speaker 1: How did you do that? Where did you find them?

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Speaker 2: You could find people that worked at record labels, You

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Speaker 1: Okay, Rob Shooter, do you ever feel bad about everything

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Speaker 1: you did to prop Diddy up? Oh that was a lie?

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Speaker 1: And yeah I did, he said, did nothing but a

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's all right in there with him.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well see, I hope hopefully I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: I've had many nights when I thought about this and

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Speaker 10: Did I see any red flags?

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Speaker 10: Have some guilds, hopefully a lot of guilds, and people

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Speaker 2: But I do think too a lot of people that

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Speaker 10: I don't agree.

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Speaker 2: The fact that we helped make him into a superstar,

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Speaker 1: You know, Rob Shooter, you and I go way back,

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Speaker 1: me how she saw Sean Combe's take a frying pan

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Speaker 1: Didn't they see anything? Or were they just oblivious, blinded

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Speaker 2: It's a really good question. I think a little bit

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Speaker 2: But it was over twenty years ago when I worked

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Speaker 11: The defense also questions Cassie on what she meant when

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Speaker 1: His what Brett Brown joining me executive director of Surviving

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Speaker 1: Assault Standing Strong. It's a nonprofit whose mission is eradicating

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Speaker 1: sex attacks and sex trafficking On women and girls. So

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Speaker 1: instead of putting up a doctor, they get the woman

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Speaker 1: he has beaten for years, according to the State, raped

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Speaker 1: with bipolar? Maybe that's why he raped you. Can you

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Speaker 1: believe asking an alleged rape victim. Well, wait, maybe he

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Speaker 12: It's insane. This whole lineup is insane because they're putting

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Speaker 12: trafficking laws commercial sex Act, induced by force, fraud of coercion.

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Speaker 1: Two special guests joining us. Chris McDonough, director at the

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Speaker 1: vice detective. He is the star of the Interview Room

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Chris McDonough, If I'm bipolar was the defense

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Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And doesn't it feel like the universe

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Speaker 11: Uh?

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Speaker 13: You know, I think astro Glide is going to have

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Speaker 13: What we're witnessing here is a going out of business

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Speaker 13: sale with the largest pimp in the world disguised as

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Speaker 10: It's looted.

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Speaker 13: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: just thinking this through, claiming now that he is bipolar

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Speaker 1: to Rob Shooter, a long time pr grew two. Shawkin's

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Speaker 1: not working for him anymore. Rob Shooter did you ever

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Speaker 10: No? No, no.

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Speaker 2: Even though I haven't worked with him for a while,

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of this. To bring it up at

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Speaker 2: this moment, it's so desperate, it's so wrong, it's so silly.

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Speaker 2: I think I hope the jury will see through it.

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Speaker 2: But it's just another instant that just shows you how

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Speaker 2: clueless he is. And why I say Puffy's clueless is

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Speaker 2: trust me, Puffy is running this defense. He is out there,

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Speaker 2: He's telling his lawyers what he wants. He's not the

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Speaker 1: Hey, Rob Shooter, there is word from believable sources that

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Speaker 1: he is insisting he is going to take the stand

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I only hope he does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you do. Nancy, You're absolutely right. Stupid,

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Speaker 10: But try telling him that, Try telling.

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Speaker 2: Him that he shouldn't do this. He's not used to

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Speaker 2: him some credibility here, Nancy. He could argue he has

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Speaker 2: been a brilliant businessman for the last twenty years. He's

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Speaker 10: So it's very.

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Speaker 2: Difficult himself made people who have made billions of dollars

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Speaker 10: They don't want to hear it. They're not going to listen.

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Speaker 2: Mindsight is are confirming your report in Nancy that he is.

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Speaker 10: He is going to take the.

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Speaker 1: Stand testimony pouring from the witness stand all day long

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Speaker 1: and joining us outside the courthouse. Lauren Connlin, investigative reporter

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Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy, it started off pretty pretty interesting this morning

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Speaker 6: We also saw Don Rochard finish her direct testimony and

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Speaker 6: all of Don Rochard's previous statements to the government as

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Speaker 5: And we learned this.

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Speaker 6: When the defense came up to cross examine her, and

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Speaker 6: Don Rochard actually admitted herself that her testimony has changed

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Speaker 1: You mentioned a quote skillet incident, and this is Don

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Speaker 6: Yes, So Don Richard first testified on Friday that she

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Speaker 6: was recording you that at Ditty's La home with her bandmate.

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Speaker 6: They were in this Ditty Dirty Money group or dirty Money,

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Speaker 5: She said, without a doubt that she knows that Diddy

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Speaker 6: She was in the fetal position and she saw her

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Speaker 1: A skillett a frying pan full of eggs. Now, you stated,

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Speaker 1: Lourene Conlin, that Richard has changed her testimony. I'm very

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Speaker 1: curious changed it how exactly?

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Speaker 6: Well, theirst first thing that the defense pointed out is

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Speaker 6: they pointed out that in her civil lawsuit, there was

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Speaker 6: of people thaw and Don Richard actually said, oh, that

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Speaker 6: they were referring to another incident.

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Speaker 5: We learned this in the redirect.

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Speaker 6: So there was that, and there was a couple other

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, minute, wait a minute, So Lauren Conlin.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that the defense tried to make

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Speaker 6: Yes, that is pertaining to her civil lawsuit, her twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty four civil lawsuit. But what's interesting is that don

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Speaker 6: Richard testified that over time her memory has gotten better

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Speaker 6: because she wanted to suppress a lot of these bad

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Speaker 6: memories from working with Diddy. She worked so hard to

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Speaker 6: not remember them, and now you know she's been working

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Speaker 6: with the government to remember them.

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Speaker 1: Did she try to intervene on behalf of Cassie Ventura? Yes,

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Speaker 1: and last you were just discussing inconsistencies that she had

448
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Speaker 1: not used the words Diddy threatened that or his hinch

449
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Speaker 1: person that people disappear when they talk. What phraseology, if any,

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Speaker 1: did she use when she was talking to the state.

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Speaker 6: She left that completely out, but said that Diddy said

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Speaker 6: to her what you witnessed was passion.

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Speaker 5: Cassie is is okay.

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Speaker 6: Harry Morgan, Cassie's former best friend, was on the stand

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Speaker 6: and she testified that after the March twenty sixteen incident,

456
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Speaker 6: and this is crazy, Uh, she was at Cassie's house,

457
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Speaker 6: Cassie walked in with the hood of bla black eye,

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Speaker 6: put her back down, appeared to be extremely numb, and

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Speaker 6: then about thirty minutes later, Carrie Morgan alleged that Diddy

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Speaker 6: showed up outside the door, banging on it with a hammer.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Josh Ritter joining us, a veteran criminal

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Speaker 1: defense attorney, former prosecutor, host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube, Josh,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. So you say tomato,

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Speaker 1: I say tomato. She in multiple interviews with the state

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Speaker 1: prior to testimony, stated that she was threatened with physical

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Speaker 1: harm if she talked, In other words, told anyone about

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Speaker 1: Cassie's beatings today. The way she described it was, people

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Speaker 1: disappear if they talk, people go missing. I don't see

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Speaker 1: that that says big of a point as the defense

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Speaker 1: is trying to make it be.

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Speaker 9: I actually think it is a big point. I mean,

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Speaker 9: we're talking about prior inconsistent statements, the idea that she

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Speaker 9: is trying to say that her memory has improved over time.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm no memory expert, but that's laughable to me,

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Speaker 9: and I think it'll be laughable to a jury. That

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Speaker 9: is not how memory works. We don't all of a

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Speaker 9: sudden feel stronger and more detailed about our memories, certainly

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Speaker 9: over things that have taken place years and years ago.

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Speaker 1: Cassi Ventira on the stand in the court of law

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Speaker 1: and the criminal trial of Sean Comes aka Diddy.

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Speaker 5: And what is that I'm hearing?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a death knell. Joining me from the

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Speaker 1: courthouse is Lauren Conlin in the courtroom throughout the day. Lauren,

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Speaker 1: First of all, let's just start chronologically to Cassi Ventira

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Speaker 1: taking the stand. They did a long lead up to

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Speaker 1: her to put her on the stand. Tell me how

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Speaker 1: was the jury responding to her testimony.

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Speaker 6: Cassie did get to the point where she discussed the

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Speaker 6: psychological abuse as well as the physical abuse that she

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Speaker 6: received from Diddy, and the jury was listening intently. And

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Speaker 6: it's also interesting because Sean Colmes seems to be pretty

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Speaker 6: stoic throughout this. Now one thing that also seems to

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Speaker 6: be present throughout her testimony is how much Cassie actually

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Speaker 6: loved him at one point. So I believe that they

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Speaker 6: are going to move on and start really focusing on

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Speaker 6: the abuse. But so far, it's it's been tough. It's

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Speaker 6: been hard for everybody, and Cassy herself had needed some

498
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Speaker 6: moments to wipe her nose, take some breaths. She does

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Speaker 6: appear very very sad and very very somber and as

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Speaker 6: you know, very pregnant.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting, Lauren Collin. One of the

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Speaker 1: first things that Seawan comes is ten million dollar defense

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Speaker 1: team did was demand that she be seated in the

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Speaker 1: witness seat before the jury came in so they could

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Speaker 1: not see her baby Bailly happened.

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Speaker 6: Well, they had been discussing this previously, about how pregnant

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Speaker 6: she looked and the fact that maybe the jury could

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Speaker 6: feel sympathy for her. So yeah, she was brought in first,

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Speaker 6: and then the jury was brought in.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Cassie Ventura described how frea

511
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Speaker 1: Costs actually became a job lasting thirty six to forty

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Speaker 1: eight hours, the longest one lasting up to four days.

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Speaker 1: No wonder the participants needed IV fluids after a Frea

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Speaker 1: coll I'm just curious to Lauren Collin joining us at

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Speaker 1: the courthouse, how was the jury responding.

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Speaker 6: What I will say is Cassie made a point to

517
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Speaker 6: say that when she wasn't making music, she was actually

518
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Speaker 6: having to quote recover from these freak offs. And again

519
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Speaker 6: she she did say these freak offs lasted between one

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Speaker 6: and four days and it would take her an equal

521
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Speaker 6: amount of time to get her body recovered, to rehydrate,

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Speaker 6: to rest, to detox from these drugs.

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Speaker 5: It was really really sad to listen.

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Speaker 1: To joining us an All Star panel to make sense

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Speaker 1: of what we are learning. Also, Lauren Conlin, we are

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Speaker 1: learning that the defense made an argument to the jury

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Speaker 1: through their cross examination and in their opening statements that

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Speaker 1: the victims in this case were quote strong women that

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Speaker 1: had millions of reasons to stay in the relationship with

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Speaker 1: Shawn Combs. In other words, that is a peak and

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Speaker 1: to what their cross examination is going to be of

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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira trying to state that she wanted to be

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Speaker 1: in the relationship, she was a willing participant in the relationship,

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Speaker 1: and she got a lot of money from Sean Combs.

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Speaker 1: Do you see that going anywhere? Do you recall that

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Speaker 1: was part of their opening statements.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it was part of their opening statements. They made

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Speaker 6: a point to say that these women are all in

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Speaker 6: control of their lives. The other Jane, she is a

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Speaker 6: single mom. They said, she makes decisions, you know, for

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Speaker 6: her children and for her family, so she could easily

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Speaker 6: get out of this relationship. But what I do think

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Speaker 6: was interesting, Nancy is. During Cassie's testimony, she said that

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Speaker 6: Sean Holmes did pay for a number of her homes,

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Speaker 6: but she paid for a home, a home that she

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Speaker 6: had in Studio City, and she was thrilled that she

547
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 6: could finally pay for a home. And she wasn't tethered

548
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Speaker 6: to Shawn Holmes. She had something of her own. So

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Speaker 6: I thought this was really interesting. You know, it made

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Speaker 6: us realize that she wasn't heavily reliant on him. She

551
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 6: did want to separate from him. He was just making

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Speaker 6: it incredibly difficult to do.

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Speaker 1: So, Guys, the argument is going to be made to

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Speaker 1: the jury not to believe Cassie Ventura now on the

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Speaker 1: stand throughout the afternoon, the jury listening intently to everything

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Speaker 1: she has to say, and to you. Sidney Sumner joining us,

557
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: also covering the case from the very beginning, Crime Story's

558
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: investigative reporter. She made quite the impression when she walked

559
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Speaker 1: into that courtroom, even though Sean Comes had at one

560
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Speaker 1: point demanded the jury not be exposed to her pregnant stomach.

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Speaker 1: Describe what she looked like, Sidney Fancy.

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Speaker 8: Today, Cassie's wearing a body con a tight turtleneck brown

563
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 8: dress to really show off that baby bump, so the

564
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Speaker 8: jury is very interested in her. Homes actually turned around

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Speaker 8: in his seat to watch her as she crossed the

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Speaker 8: room to the witness stand. Kathy is very obviously about

567
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Speaker 8: to pop. She's eight and a half months pregnant, so

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Speaker 8: that's very clear.

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Speaker 3: Garagos also insists the women in the government claims Combs

570
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Speaker 3: exploited were absolutely they're willingly. Garigs says the women who

571
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Speaker 3: will take the stand against Combs were strong, capable, and

572
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Speaker 3: in love with the men they now call their abuser.

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Speaker 3: Garrigos points out that Cassie stayed for ten years. Garrigo says, well,

574
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Speaker 3: everyone may agree that Combs was a bad boyfriend, he

575
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Speaker 3: did not force women to be with him. Garrigos suggests

576
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Speaker 3: that Comb's abusers have several million reasons to come forward now,

577
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Speaker 3: all of them money.

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Speaker 1: A bad boyfriend. I'm so glad they said that in

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Speaker 1: opening statements. I'm so glad that they reduced the state's

580
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Speaker 1: case down and everything these victims have to say to

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Speaker 1: Shawn COM's being a bad Oh, there it is again.

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Speaker 1: The defense actually said this is all about Shawn Comb's

583
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Speaker 1: being a bad boyfriend. Well, a multi count federal indictment

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Speaker 1: says something very different straight out to special guests joining

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Speaker 1: us Rob Shooter. She the prosecutor, Emily Johnson stated that

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Speaker 1: there were two Shawn Combs. The one that beats people,

587
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: leaving knots on their heads, dragging them up and down halls,

588
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: just performing all sorts of dem demeaning and humiliating acts

589
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Speaker 1: on the women. But then there's the other. Sean comes

590
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Speaker 1: the start, the celebrity who's charming and gregarious. Did you

591
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Speaker 1: see both sides of comes we knew worked for him

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Speaker 1: as a public relations person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, didd he is a very very complicated person. He's

594
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Speaker 2: very much in control. He controls his own narrative. He

595
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Speaker 2: determines how he wants to be presented, he determines what

596
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Speaker 2: photographs he wants released of him. And so this is

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Speaker 2: a celebrity who's very aware of manipulating his public image.

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Speaker 2: He's done really really good job of convincing us that

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Speaker 2: he is somebody that now we know isn't the truth.

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Speaker 2: And so I think with Diddy, we all see one

601
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Speaker 2: side of him for over what two decades? Now we

602
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Speaker 2: think we know Didd he he's that fun guy.

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Speaker 10: Look at him.

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Speaker 2: Partying is out, he throws great events, he's funny. We've

605
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Speaker 2: seen him on talk shows where he's been witty and charming.

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Speaker 10: I know that that isn't the truth. That did he

607
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Speaker 10: did hey.

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Speaker 2: Behind the scenes. The truth about Diddy is much much

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Speaker 2: more dark.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to circle back to you, but

611
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Speaker 1: you sparked a thought in my mind. Back out to

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Speaker 1: the courthouse with Lauren Collins standing by, is it true

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Speaker 1: that Sean Combs actually took out a Bible in front

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Speaker 1: of the jury.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he appeared to be flipping through a Bible at

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Speaker 6: one point. He gave a thumbs up to his kids,

617
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Speaker 6: waved and blue kisses at his mother and he Yeah,

618
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Speaker 6: he did seemed to calm down after that. And when

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Speaker 6: the jury walked in, I noticed that Diddy did not

620
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Speaker 6: take his eyes off of them.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, veteran trial lawyer joining me out of Colorado

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Speaker 1: founding partner Varner Fattus, elite legal former felony prosecutor. I'm

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Speaker 1: all for reading the Bible, and I am all for

625
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Speaker 1: being close to the Lord, but when it is used

626
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Speaker 1: as a stunt, I mean, it's one thing to ask forgiveness.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm certainly no biblical scholar. Right, It's one

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Speaker 1: thing to ask for forgiveness, but it's another thing to

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Speaker 1: ask for our Holy Father to get our ass out

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Speaker 1: of a slang technical legal term, I mean, it's a ploy,

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Speaker 1: fattest a ploy. And I find that very off putting,

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Speaker 1: very off putting. Not necessarily the family, because I can

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Speaker 1: only imagine what comes to his mother is going through.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, in my mind, his family is innocent.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's got those young girls and other children,

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Speaker 1: but him the gall trying to use the Bible, the

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Speaker 1: Holy Bible as a prop.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this one seems hard for even me to the financy.

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00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 4: I mean, look in the courtroom, it appears so transparent

640
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Speaker 4: what he's trying to do in terms of garnering sympathy.

641
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Speaker 4: He should be paying attention to the trots. He should

642
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Speaker 4: be giving input to his counsel. He should be listening

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Speaker 4: to the testimony and raising points with his attorneys that

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Speaker 4: they can used to try to help it. Instead, he's

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Speaker 4: sitting there kind of putting on this act with the

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Speaker 4: Bible that everybody and their brother can see right through.

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Speaker 1: I think back to Rob Sheoter joining us, we see

648
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Speaker 1: him manipulating the jury in the way he is dressing.

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Speaker 1: I mean just curious. Did you ever see Sean Comes

650
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Speaker 1: wearing reading glasses?

651
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Speaker 8: Never?

652
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Speaker 10: Not once.

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Speaker 2: I never saw him without his head being perfectly styled.

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Speaker 2: I never saw him without a Maani, a Gucci, a

655
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Speaker 2: product you know.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I was told, no way would Shawn Combs have

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Speaker 1: a stylist. B s. He's got a stylist, He's got

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Speaker 1: a jury consultant, He's got a fleet of highly paid

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Speaker 1: lawyers to the tune of ten million dollars. So is

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Speaker 1: there any chance in h e double l that Shawn

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Speaker 1: Comes His outfits are not carefully orchestrated. No chance.

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Speaker 2: He will have looked over look books. He will have

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Speaker 2: had conversations whether or not he should be wearing his

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Speaker 2: own fashion line. He has a fashion line called Sean John.

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Speaker 2: They decided against this, and so I've never seen him

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Speaker 2: in a button down white shirt and a sweater at

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Speaker 2: a jumper.

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Speaker 10: That just isn't how he dresses.

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Speaker 2: But that's how he's going to dress for the next

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks because he wants that jewelry to think

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Speaker 2: of him as mister Rogers, the neighbor next door, the

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Speaker 2: guy they can trust that's what he wants them to think,

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Speaker 2: and that's what he's selling. And I got to admit it, Nancy,

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Speaker 2: I'm not happy about this, but I think he's doing

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Speaker 2: a pretty good job at selling this side of him.

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Speaker 1: Wash your filthy mouth out with soap you brought up,

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Speaker 1: mister Rogers. Let me ask you, in all the time

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Speaker 1: that you worked for Sean Combs, did you ever see

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Speaker 1: him read the Bible? Never?

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Speaker 10: Once?

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Speaker 2: I didn't see him quote the Bible talk about the Bible.

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Speaker 2: There was only one God in Didy's world, and that

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Speaker 2: was Did.

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Speaker 1: Did he raging over last week's TUTSI roll reveal? Oh? No? Did?

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Speaker 1: He's really angry this time? So he's mad about his

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Speaker 1: TITSI roll? Everybody finding out about that he is mad about?

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Speaker 1: What is he mad about? Throngs of people not coming

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Speaker 1: to the courthouse. Ever since I started investigating Shaw Combs,

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Speaker 1: all I've thought about was candy, candy, candy. You know what.

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Speaker 1: I can barely open this tutsi rold Midgie. You know

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Speaker 1: suddenly I've lost my appetite Shawn Combs, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's because of you. We are learning that in one

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Speaker 1: episode one freak ofugh as it is ephemistically called some

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Speaker 1: people call it sex trafficking. That Shaw com actually dressed

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Speaker 1: as a Muslim woman and a conservative dress a burka

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Speaker 1: where all you see are just the little slits of

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Speaker 1: the eyes. Now, yes, Sean Combs was dressed and conservative

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Speaker 1: female Muslim dress at berka from the neck up, from

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Speaker 1: the neck down. Quite the dichotomy. He was entirely nude.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Lauren Colin standing by at the courthouse,

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Speaker 1: uh burka, who is the punisher?

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Speaker 6: We heard the testimony of Shara Hayes aka the Punisher.

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Speaker 6: Another escort that used to work with Cassie and Ditty,

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Speaker 6: and this escort testified that he heard Cassie sigh a

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Speaker 6: few times when she was being directed by Ditty during

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Speaker 6: these freak offs.

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Speaker 5: He mentioned a lot of.

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Speaker 6: The same things that the other escort mentioned on the stand.

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Speaker 6: Daniel Phillip, the way the room setup.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we not only remember, but we acknowledge American heroes,

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Speaker 1: typically women from every corner of our great country, that

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Speaker 1: come forward and speak out against rape, against sex trafficking,

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Speaker 1: against abuse, even though they are facing horrible odds, possibly retribution,

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Speaker 1: possibly losing their job, possibly losing their career, but coming

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Speaker 1: forward and speaking the truth to all of you witnesses,

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Speaker 1: all of you victims. We salute you, and please never

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Speaker 1: be quiet. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,