1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: I Am all in, Kiss you. I Am all in 2 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. All right, everybody, 3 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: Scott Patterson here and this is the I Am All 4 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: In Podcast with I Heart Radio and one eleven Productions. 5 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: And what a show we have for you, What an 6 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: episode we have for you today. What a show? What 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: a show? Um. You know we talked about this last week. 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: We talked about Emily's choice of poster, asking Roy what 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: kind of post or she wants in her new bedroom 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: at the Gilmore House. Whether it's the Backside Boys she 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: meant the Backstreet Boys or in Sync or nine degrees 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: And we happen to have and and you know, before 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: I say anything, we got such a response from from 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: the fans about this, and the the chatter is deafening. 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: My god, did you respond about this? So we know 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: we have a demographic that is well aware of boy bands. UM, 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna admit to you right off the bat, 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: not my jam very limited knowledge, So don't hate on 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: me because of that. But I did listen to one 20 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: of the hit songs from the our guest today. We're 21 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: gonna have ninety eight degrees on today. Uh, we have 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: a Mr Jeff Timmins and a Mr Drew Lasha from 23 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: ninety eight Degrees. And I'm excited to talk to him 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: because I have I have watched their video and I 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: have some some questions about how terrified they must have 26 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: been doing one particular scene from that video. Um, then 27 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: they probably weren't, but I would have been. So here 28 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: they are. Let's bring in Jeff and Drew and let's 29 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: get this this party started. Jeff Timmins, I knew man. 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: How are you doing, buddy? Pretty good? But you look 31 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: exactly you look exactly the same as in the video. Well, 32 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: I yeah, I have the I have the little slider 33 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: that says, make myself look better, that little image. It 34 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: might be fooling you a little. And there's Drew. Hey, Drew, 35 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: how are you doing good? Thanks for joining us, and 36 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: pleasure to have you guys on. I. Um, I'm a 37 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: little older than you guys, so I'm like a late 38 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: sixties seventies rocker kind of dude. Uh. So I watched 39 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: your I watched your video. I want what is it 40 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: because of you or because you had a big song 41 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: back in the day. I guess it was. Uh. And 42 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: I watched the video um, and I don't. If I 43 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: was a member of in Sync at that time and 44 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: they said, guess what, We're gonna shoot you on the beach, 45 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna shoot you in the city, We're gonna shoot 46 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: you on cable cars, and then we're taking at the 47 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: top of the Golden Gate bridge, I would have been like, na, no, 48 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: not in that you're blowing your boy bands. Yes, because 49 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: it was in synct That's why he wouldn't have done it. 50 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: If he was in ninety degrees, he would have done it. 51 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: Did I say in saying I am so see I 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: told you I am I am not qualified to conduct 53 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: this interview. Just fire me right now. I am so sorry. Guys, 54 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: we look Scott and I was petrified on top of 55 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: that Golden Those shots were terrifying. They were terrifying looking. 56 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: I mean I I experienced vertigo from time to time. 57 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: I I got a little crazy watching that stuff. And 58 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: you must have been up there all day waiting for 59 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: the helicopter to fly over because it wasn't a drone shot. 60 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: They didn't have drones back then. I mean, you must 61 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: have been up there all day. How long were you 62 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: up at the top of the Golden Gate bridge waiting 63 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: for that shot to happen. It was definitely a couple 64 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: of hours. Yeah, it was so windy up there, Yeah, yeah, 65 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: it was. It was. It had its moments. Getting up there, 66 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: I think was probably even scarier than being up How 67 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: did how did you? How did you get up there? 68 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: By the way, in one of the towers, there's a 69 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: tidy elevator that I think it only what we can 70 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: only get three or four of us and two of 71 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: us at the time, and it goes up really slowly. 72 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: So and you're like, it's pretty weird experience. Man, I 73 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. And you're and and Jeff, 74 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: you're still jacked. Yeah, I'm trying to keep up with 75 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: the young bucks. Your lats were huge in the video. 76 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, look at this guy just just hitting the gym. 77 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: Look at them knowing he's got a big future ahead him. 78 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: He's got to stay in shape. So we were talking 79 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: about you came up in the uh you came up 80 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: in the in in in the last episode, and the 81 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: fans went crazy when we started talking about a little 82 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: bit in our recap and we said, we gotta have 83 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: these guys on. So Amy got in touch. He knows 84 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 1: you guys, So let me ask you something about this. 85 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: This were the rivalries between the boy bands, yel or 86 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: something generated by the press, Jeff, go ahead and address 87 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: this because a lot of people want to know this. 88 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: What's weird about it is it's really interesting. Contrary to 89 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: popular belief at the time, I think people thought that, 90 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: you know, we were adversarial towards those groups, but we 91 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: had nothing but great experiences in the mutual respect for 92 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: those guys because they were going through the same roller 93 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: coaster ride that we were. So we've got nothing. If 94 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: we had to choose one one group, they both had 95 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: so many hits. Both groups have so many cool members 96 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: that we're friends and friends with them, close with I 97 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: honestly couldn't pick one of the other. True what do 98 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: you think I mean? I'm I'm I'm closer with the 99 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: guys and then Sync than I am with the guys 100 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: and Backstory boys, so I would have to lean towards them. 101 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: But I know Jeff is cooler with a j and 102 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: the battery, so I think it's you know, like you said, 103 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: you can kind of take them. But they both have 104 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: uh they both went diamond on one of their records. Uh, 105 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: have sold god knows how many records, So I don't 106 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: think you go wrong with either of them. But you know, 107 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: if I had to choose between the three, still the best. 108 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean everybody knows that. Everybody knows even has the 109 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: Jeff still has the poster hanging up behind him. That's right, 110 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: Flax and everything we're proud of. So what was that 111 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: experience like for you guys? I mean, you start out, 112 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: I read a little bit about how um uh Nick, 113 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't Nick that started the band? Was 114 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: it you? Jeff who kind of contacted Nick who was 115 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: in college and said, listen, what about this thing? You 116 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: maybe want to do this? So you guys knew each other. 117 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know Nick and True and Justin at all. 118 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: I brom different parts of a while. I actually started 119 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: the group some other guys and what to l A. 120 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: You couldn't there was no social media or YouTube, you know, 121 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: you had to go to where the action was. We 122 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: thought it was in l A, and we drove to 123 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: l A and ultimately those guys you know, didn't stick 124 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: with it. And you would think in l A you 125 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: would be able to find other talents. So I wanted 126 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: to stick with it. I put like ads in these 127 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, local magazines and and uh and you know, 128 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter and all that. I couldn't find audition a 129 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: bunch of people. And then ultimately I met a guy 130 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: who went to school with with these guys in Ohio 131 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: and he played me a tape of of a cover 132 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: band that Nick was in and I heard his voice 133 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: and I thought, man, this guy is incredible, and really 134 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: we spoke on the phone, and then you know, he 135 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: agreed to come out to l A and joined the group. 136 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: And then Justin came out, and Drew came out, and 137 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: then we h that's how we got we feel that's 138 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: how we formed our group. We formed it that way 139 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: in l A. I didn't even know what Nick looked 140 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: like at all. I was on the phone. I'm like, 141 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: are you good? Are you? How'd you? I actually said 142 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: how's your look? And he goes, uh, am I good 143 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: looking guy? Yeah? I mean how was gonna look? He goes, yeah, 144 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: I think so, And I was like, good enough, come 145 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: on out. And then that's how I hadn't seen him 146 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: till the day he arrived in l A. So uh, 147 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: and then we we we went, we went from there. 148 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: But it was a it was a great experience and 149 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: a very unique one compared to some of the other 150 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: bands were compared to. So so it happened pretty quick 151 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: for you guys. I mean within a year, didn't you 152 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: have a record deal at a pretty big place, a 153 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: big record company, And and uh, how aggressive were you 154 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: in the beginning getting your work out there and getting 155 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: in front of people and getting it heard by the 156 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: right people. Didn't you have some kind of oh you 157 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: did some kind of a cappella thing backstage at a 158 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: at a at a music festival or something or a 159 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: concert and that got blasted out live on TV. And 160 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: isn't that something that changed the game for you? Yeah, 161 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: I mean that was even before I joined the group. 162 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: So I joined the group in uh not the Datus 163 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: November UM. And they had already they had already snuck 164 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: backstage at a Boys de Men concert tried to sing 165 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: for him for them. UM. Of course they couldn't get 166 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: close to Boys de Men because at that time Boys 167 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: de Men was, you know, the biggest thing on on 168 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: the planet. Um. But they sang for Montel Jordan's tour 169 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: manager who eventually became our manager. UM. And then I 170 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: joined in November nineties. Uh, we got signed in Motown. 171 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: So for for four white boys from Ohio getting signed 172 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: a Motown, it was kind of the uh kind of 173 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: the dream. Uh. You know, every group that we grew 174 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: up idolizing, whether it was boys that mounted the Temptations, 175 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: the Four Tops, Stevie wonder Um, every group that we 176 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: loved or solars for that matter, pretty much came from Motown. Unbelievable. 177 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: What what a story? So what was it like in 178 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: the beginning? I mean, how did it How did it start? 179 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: You get signed? Did you go into the studio right away? 180 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: Did you start writing your own material? Giving you material? 181 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: But were you writing your own material? How? How does that? 182 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: How does that work with you guys? In the beginning, 183 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a it's kind of a variety 184 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: of all the things. We got signed in l A 185 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: And the first thing that they said was all right, 186 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: now you got to pack up and moved to New York. 187 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: So immediately as soon as we got signed, We're like, 188 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: what but we just we just rented a new apartment 189 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: and this nice two bedroom apartment that the four of 190 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: us are in. What so we moved We moved to 191 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: New York and then uh, you know, we started we 192 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: started recording. I mean we were living in a hotel 193 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: right on Times Square. It sucked, um, you know, but 194 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: you know we started going into the studio and trying 195 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: to figure out what what our sound was gonna be, 196 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, this New Degrees Motown sound, um, and it was. 197 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: It was the It was a process going back and 198 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: forth at the label. They had one idea of what 199 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: we should be, where we should live, how we should 200 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: look all this stuff, and we had another idea. Um. 201 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: So it was kind of finding this this blend between 202 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: the two. And as far as music goes, I mean, 203 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: at that point, you know, everybody was submitting songs. Um. 204 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: You know, you had the biggest songwriters in the world 205 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: that would just submit songs, whether it's Diane Warren or 206 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: Steve Kittner. You know, Max mart was coming along at 207 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: that point. Um. Well he's already around but becoming a 208 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: household name at that point. Um. And we just found 209 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: the best songs that we possibly could I mean, whether 210 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: we wrote them or somebody else wrote them. If it 211 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: was a good song and we thought we could do 212 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: it justice, we would record it. And that's how we 213 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: that's how we worked. So you did your so that 214 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: all that work went into a debut album or a date, 215 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: couple of singles or what there was an album. It 216 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: was an album and at that time, you know, you 217 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time putting an album together. Now 218 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: you just you record stuff put you had speed and 219 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: you're out and running it with a single and EP 220 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: or you know, collection of singles. But with that that 221 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: back then it was full length albums. And I think 222 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: we've even spent probably a better part about almost a 223 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: year recording on you know, oh, you were doing song 224 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: after song and again Drew Drew was hit the nail 225 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: on the head and how we were trying to refine 226 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: our sound and certainly they had a certain idea to 227 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: maybe have us lean a little bit more urban and 228 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: then you know, um, we came out with Invisible Man. 229 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: We thought that was that best embodied what our group 230 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: was all about, and that was a big success for us. 231 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: But at the time getting our image matching our music, 232 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: they couldn't quite figure that out until Backstreet and Insinc. 233 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: Emerged on TRL and MTV and they're like, oh, we 234 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: have our own version of that, so let's actually put 235 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: their image out there and uh, let let us kind 236 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: of they let us kind of then to true to 237 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: ourselves with our imaging and are and we we wanted 238 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: our music to be in which direction as well. Talk 239 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: about the ramp up to you know, releasing the first 240 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: single or teasing the first single, or getting that first 241 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: uh you know, the first gig and feeling that excitement 242 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: from the fans. Talk about that a little bit. How 243 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: what was that like, I mean when we were when 244 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: we were first starting, there wasn't there wasn't a whole 245 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: lot of excitement from the fans. Uh. You know, Motown 246 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: booked us on these tours and like Jeff alluded to it, 247 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: like that, we they didn't they didn't put out pictures 248 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: of us at first. Um. Really they wanted people to 249 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: think that we were an R and B group. They 250 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: wanted us to think that we were Black Eyes or 251 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, so they didn't do that. We got marketed 252 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: to urban radio. We would go to clubs that that 253 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: lean more urban. So when you know, we walk out 254 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,359 Speaker 1: on stage and people are like, what come on? You know, 255 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: it took it a little bit of time for for 256 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: people to really kind of figure out who we were 257 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: and Luckily, we had a fantastic radio department in Motown 258 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: who literally just got invisible. Man played and played and 259 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: played to the point where, um, you know, you couldn't 260 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: you couldn't hide that we were white for very long. 261 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: That's when. That was when Ryan Seacrest and I were 262 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: with ninety degrees driving around in a van in San Francisco. 263 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: I don't even know if you guys were that right? 264 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: Is that? Yeah? So Ryan Seacrest was working in radio 265 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: back then. This was like, that's right, he was in 266 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: a van with ninety degrees and were cruise around. I 267 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: don't even know what we're doing. We had we put 268 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: our pictures on the side. We wrapped it pictures so 269 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: we could get attention. People didn't know. So we would 270 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: go around like you said, and we picked up radio 271 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: people show what. We printed up our own spag. We 272 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: had our own T shirts. And what's crazy is two 273 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: weeks ago Ryan Seacrest was with ninety degrees in Las Vegas. 274 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: So it's just like they've stood the test of time, 275 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: which is you know, I think so interesting about this 276 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls episode two, You guys keep that's funny. That's 277 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: she's got great stories. Um, yeah, so so so it 278 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: was really so you were playing a lot of clubs 279 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: and and and getting super tight. Were you really tight 280 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: when you started or did you really jell through the 281 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: live concert experiences? Well, I mean, I think clearly we 282 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: we were already tight. You know, we we were very 283 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: hard working. You know, we're we kind of pride ourselves 284 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: on being, you know, a blue collar boy band. You know, 285 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: we we put in the work, We work hard, we're 286 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: very we're very passionate about what we do, and we 287 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: want to put in the time that that represents the 288 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: respect that we that we have for what we do. Um. 289 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: So you know, we would rehearse hours a day and 290 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: just get our acapellas sound right and our blend right. Um. 291 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: So by the time we hit the road together, we 292 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: were already you know, we're our own dysfunctional family, you know, 293 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: rolling around and you know, getting on each other's nerves 294 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: just like brothers do. Um. You know, so it was, uh, 295 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: it was a process, but clearly, um, nobody else knows 296 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: exactly what we've been through except for the four of us. 297 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: So regardless of what happens and how many years go 298 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: by or you know, whether we're mad at each other 299 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: or not. We have a bond that that nobody else 300 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: can really appreciate or relate to. Um, you know, so 301 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: we're we're we truly are you know, four brothers? And 302 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: tell me about that first time where it was like, wow, 303 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: we've made it. Was it walking out onto a stage 304 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: and there's ten thousand, twenty thousand, thirty thousand people and 305 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: you'll look at each other like, good lord, look at this. 306 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: I think it's different stages, you know, at different stages 307 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: you go and look when you're a type A like 308 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: we're all type as we were called. We we never 309 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: quite think we've made it, you know what I mean. 310 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: We were always onto the next thing. But I think 311 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: for me, one of the first times was when we 312 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: actually heard our our first single, Invisible Man, on the 313 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: radio and kiss at them, you know, you know, a 314 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: big station in l A, the big famous one and 315 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: and uh you know we were driving in the al right, 316 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: it came on the radio. That's one of them. Obviously, 317 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: we we performed with Stevie Wonder on the Tonight Show 318 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: for the goodness alright, thin going our way. I mean, 319 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: there are so many of them it's really hard to 320 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: put pinpoint one of them. I mean, you're grateful for 321 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: all of them, and but you know they're they're always 322 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: a different stages of what you feel like is it 323 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: is a level of satisfying success. Yeah, what's the biggest 324 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: audience you're playing in from? What's the biggest ground? I 325 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: mean we've done certain certain radio shows festivals that are 326 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: a hundred plus thousand people. Um, you know which is 327 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's kind of awesome and it's like 328 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: breathtaking to be standing on stage in front of all 329 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: these people. But then at the same time, you can't 330 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: really see any of those people. It's hard. It's hard 331 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: to connect to a hundred thousand people. So I mean 332 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: me personally, I like I like the smaller, you know, 333 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: more intimate uh settings. You know, if you're like a 334 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: couple of thousand people, to me, like a small theater vibe. 335 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: I love that. That's that's where I really uh, that's 336 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: where I really get inspired. Right, Talk a little bit 337 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: about this, whether the media uh invented this and fueled 338 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: this or whether it was real this this rivalry between 339 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: the boy bands. To talk a little bit about that 340 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: and and do you think it helped focus uh the 341 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: fans attention on all of you collectively. Well, look, well, 342 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: you know that we hadn't heard about the term boy 343 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: band before. So when we started our group, we were 344 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: inspired by the motown groups for tops and Attempts and 345 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, classic rock harmonies like you talked about, like 346 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: My Journey in Boston and the Eagles and and so 347 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: we wanted to be a vocal group and do wop groups. 348 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: So we didn't know what a boy band was until 349 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: we went over to Sas to Europe and we ran 350 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: into and Sitco over there, who was working in Backstreet 351 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: Boys was emerging in the US, So we didn't really 352 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: compare ourselves to those groups at that time. Eventually the 353 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: public did, and obviously there was sort of sort of 354 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: some sort of riff between Backstreet and in st because 355 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: they came from the same camp and same management. So 356 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: that might have existed there and that's well documented. But 357 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: with regards to us, we didn't even think we're the 358 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: same kind of group, so we we didn't mind it. 359 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: And then I think in the beginning, being called a 360 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: boy band it has sort of a connotation that you 361 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: don't really sing, and you don't sing live, and you know, 362 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: everything's produced and manufactured. So we didn't like that. But 363 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: then later, you know, when you're compared to groups like 364 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: Drew was saying, they they go Diamond and didn't sell 365 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: ten million copies of an album, and you're mentioned in 366 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: the same breath as these legends. I mean we certainly, 367 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: we certainly didn't mind it at that point. I don't 368 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: think m um. And it lasted how long? I mean 369 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: you took a break in what two thousand and three, 370 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure when did we take a bag like 371 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: two thousand, right at the end of two thousand and one, 372 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: so really yeah, so we you know, we did our 373 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: our last thing before we kind of went in different directions, 374 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: as we did. On September two thousand one in New 375 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: York we did that Michael Jackson special, uh, you know, 376 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: where we performed with Luther and Usher and it was 377 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: a really big thing at Madison Square. Then the next 378 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: day was September eleven, and we were in the midst 379 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: of finishing up the door and everything was so up 380 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: in the air and crazy and scary. We kind of 381 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: just went in our separate directions and then you know, 382 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: went onto our own lives and really didn't get back 383 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: together until twelve, So you know, what what seemed to 384 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: be like a short break, and it wasn't anything like 385 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: we we broke up or you know, we had some 386 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: sort of falling out. We were tired for sure from 387 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: the grind, but it was nothing that you know that 388 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: you know, sort of outside of what happened on September eleven. 389 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: This sort of take took us in different directions and 390 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: then we all had you know, I had a baby 391 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: and was getting married and kid on the way, and 392 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: you know, everybody had different things going on. And then 393 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: eventually we missed it and got back together in twelve 394 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: and we've been back together ever since. But what about 395 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: what about some kind of nostalgia tours? Have you been 396 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: doing those? Because I know a lot of bands you 397 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: know that are from this even from the sixties or seventies, 398 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: they're getting booked all over the place because people want 399 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: to hear the music. You know, all of those memories 400 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: from all of your fan base from you know, ninety 401 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: five or ninety six to two thousand and one, those 402 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: memories will be with him for life and they'll come 403 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: see you forever. Um, So how has that been for 404 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: you in terms of the number of people you're getting 405 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: at your shows. I mean that's been great. Honestly. Since 406 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: we got back together in two thousand and twelve, we 407 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: uh we went on an arena tour with New Kids 408 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: on the Block and Boys the Men, and we pretty 409 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: much haven't stopped touring since We've done a couple of 410 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: holiday tours. We did another tour called the My two 411 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: K Tour with oh Town and Dream and Ryan Cabrera, 412 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: which is kind of kind of what you're talking about, 413 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: kind of along that, you know, TRL nostalgia. Um. And 414 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: then we've honestly been doing what we call a weekend 415 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: Warrior model now where we've just been going around and 416 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: doing different weekend shows because you know, three of the 417 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: four of us are fathers and have families with kids, 418 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: and you know, um, it's important for us to make 419 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: sure we prioritize our family too, not just literally hit 420 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: the road for eight months at a time and be 421 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: like he all right, kids, I'll come back after you're 422 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: done with puberty. Uh No. Hey, That's why I think 423 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: this episode resonated because we're getting just so many comments 424 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: on social media right now because we talked about in 425 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: the episode, and Scott will explain, Uh, the main character Rory. 426 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: Her grandma asked her which posters she wants on the wall, 427 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: and she ends up with a nine D degrees poster 428 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: on the wall. And it plays as well today as 429 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: it did when it aired in two thousand one, you know, 430 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: when you guys were kind of at the height of 431 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: it all. And I think that's so interesting. And with 432 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls the fans, there's this new generation, a new 433 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: generation new and new fans keep coming and I think 434 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: that it works just as well with the young new 435 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: people as it did with my age that saw it 436 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: back then. So my question for you guys, Sorry Scott, 437 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: I didn't want to interrupt, What does that feel like 438 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: to be so integrated in pop culture that you're in 439 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: this show, your posters on the wall, and this show 440 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: has millions and millions of fans that span over twenty years. 441 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: Like I want to know what that feels like to 442 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: be a hurt of that. I mean, it's really an honor. 443 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean when when you you know, when you start 444 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: a group like this, you hope and dream for things 445 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: like that, and you know, going in that, the odds 446 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: of of being still in the mix twenty five years later, 447 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: and we're going out and you know we can to 448 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: show the other night here in Vegas. Vegas is always 449 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: a scary heart market. There's so much competition. We had 450 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: four thousand people out there, you know, twenty five years 451 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: later and before that festival that had twelve thousand and 452 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: four that eight. I mean, we're playing for the same amount, 453 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: if not more numbers now because of the nostalgia play 454 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: like you said that that that that we relate to 455 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: a time in people's lives that was an innocent time 456 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: that you know, most of our fans were young teenagers 457 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: so and they met a lot of their fans at 458 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: our show. So there are a lot of different hooks 459 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: that have led us and allowed us to continue to 460 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: live this dream this many years later. So for us, 461 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: for I mean, we're honored and it's always great and 462 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: amazing and surreal to see people out there singing the 463 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: words to your songs this many years later, bringing their kids. 464 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: Their kids are singing the words of the song signs 465 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: in the audience. So have you ever had a moment 466 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: where your own kids are watching something like Gilmore Girls 467 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: and you guys are mentioned and they're like dad, like 468 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: you know something like that? Were my daughter and my 469 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: wife were watching Gilmore Girls. Now they literally were watching 470 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: it and and the the episode that you're talking about. 471 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: They were streaming the whole thing and they watched it 472 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: and and my daughter literally, I mean, um, her dad. 473 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: You know, she doesn't think of me as anything other 474 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: than that for the most part, and she sees our poster. 475 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: I think it might be the one the was it 476 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: the fireman poster. We'll have to pull We'll pull a screenshot. 477 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: I recognized the poster. It was like, I don't remember 478 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: which one it was, but she was like, oh my god, 479 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: dad John Gilmore Girls. I was like, yeah, I know. 480 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: And for her that was like, no, seriously, you're on 481 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: Gilmore's deal. To her, I was just shooting, yeah, just shooting. 482 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: And my son was watching it. He had his friends. 483 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: They and then they pulled it up on YouTube and 484 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: we're just like laughing about it. Watching you. I don't 485 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: know if that's cool or not, but you know, they 486 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: were watching it. But for me, honestly, the whole Gilmore 487 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: Girl I remember when it happened originally when it first aired, 488 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: and you know, our fan base was like, oh my goodness, yes, 489 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: they're all Gilmore Girls. That's awesome. But for me, you know, 490 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: that's that's that was what that was twenty years ago. Yeah, 491 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: I think it was like April May two thousand one 492 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: will pull the exact day, but I think so it 493 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: was sort of right before before you guys were saying 494 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: you took a break, So it was right at the 495 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: height of it all and the height of these boy bands. 496 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, my my daughter's fifteen and a half. She 497 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 1: wasn't even alive when that happened. For her, this is 498 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: this is the closest she ever gets to seeing like 499 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: kind of no, I mean not to sound, you know, arrogant, 500 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: but how big we were. I mean, it's it's uh, 501 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: if you were big, you were big. You can brag 502 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: about it. You guys were treat did okay, okay, alright. 503 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: It's interesting how many fans are writing in because in 504 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: the episode that you I'm sure you remember, it's in 505 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: saying ninety degrees and then Emily Gilmurg calls them the 506 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: backside boys. But we're getting so many fans writing and 507 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: new kids on the block, new kids on the block, 508 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,239 Speaker 1: so they were sort of forgotten a little bit at 509 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: that time because they hadn't sort of had their big 510 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: come back yet. But I think it's so interesting because 511 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: I do think it plays as well today twenty years later. Yeah. 512 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: So the original air date of this episode was April 513 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: two thousand one, twenty years ago. You know, it does 514 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: answer the question because fans are you know, I was 515 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: always mystified when I was a teenager why people broke 516 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: up in great bands and this kind of a thing. 517 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: And and it's always kids. They have kids, and you 518 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: don't want to be away from your kids. And I 519 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: had a son, and I was on the road a lot, 520 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: and I called my wife and I said, I'm coming home. 521 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore. I miss him. I don't 522 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: want to miss even a moment of his childhood. And 523 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: he I mean, he was God at that time, he 524 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: was three years old. But I didn't want to miss it. 525 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to be one 526 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: of those dads. So I get it. I get it. 527 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys did the good thing. You're good guys. 528 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: You know you're stuck by your kids. Good for you. Um, 529 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: so what's it like now? Tell me what you're doing 530 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: now and what exciting things you're doing other than you know, 531 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: these tours. Are you still doing your own music. You're 532 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: doing individual uh solo careers and doing your own stuff too. 533 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean we're all we're all working on different individual projects. 534 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, ninety degrees is still together and going strong. 535 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: We uh, we released a single earlier in the summer, 536 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: which is It's what thirty. It's on It's on the 537 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: Hot Art to for you on one of the charts, 538 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: the Hot A C Chart out. We just got an 539 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: email about it. So we're somewhat back in the mix. 540 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: Du Yeah, so we we just released that, so we're 541 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: shooting videos for that and we're recording new music. Um, 542 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, still touring, so we are. We are still 543 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: in the thick of it. Yeah, we're nice. Not just 544 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 1: steal line from the Backyard Agains but ended that day. 545 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean we're still going strong. I would 546 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: love to see you guys, I really would, um. I 547 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: you know, Amy will tell me when you guys are 548 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: playing l A or something, I'll come see you. I'd 549 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: love to see you guys performately. I know, Drew, I 550 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: hope your kid thinks it's cool that you talked to 551 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: Luke from the Gilmore Girl. She she's in her room 552 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: right now. But if I if I brought her down, 553 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: she'd be like, oh my god, Dad, go get her, 554 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: Go get her. It'll be, it'll be fune. Go get her, seriously, 555 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: go get her. We'll wait, all right, you know, seriously, 556 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: go get her. That's fine, it'll be, it'll be. It'll 557 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: be a wonderful family thing. Go ahead, do it. Hold on, 558 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: we'll talk to Jeff. We'll talk to you. Jeff, you invented, 559 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: you invent you started degrees. You're the guy. Well, yes, 560 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: I have more way, you're the guy. He's the guy. 561 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: I started it trying to you know, look, in college, 562 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: I've had no idea what I was doing. I wasn't 563 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: even really into music that much. I was always I 564 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: always got pulled into doing music. I can't form a 565 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: really small time. It's all about football, so I want 566 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: to play football, and thinking wasn't cool. But we were 567 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: at a party and I had been so many different 568 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: vocal groups and stuff, and we were trying to impress 569 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: some girls. So it really was very shallow the reason 570 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: I started the group. But then I love I fell 571 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: in love with the music and the business part of 572 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: the behind the music and all the inner workings. What 573 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: what people like you do and how all the different 574 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: marketing that goes into promotions and just became a nerd 575 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: of the entertainment business in general. Interesting that you say that, Jeff, 576 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: because the one thing I will say about boy bands, 577 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, knowing Lamp so well in ages so well, 578 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: is these guys grind like, they work hard. They'll do 579 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: whatever we need them to do all the time. And 580 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: they're always doing you know, they always have fifty different 581 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: things going. And maybe that's just the mentality you have 582 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: to have to be in a group like that. Well, look, 583 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: and I think we've all experienced what it's like when 584 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: you don't pay attention to the business part. All three 585 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: group have their horror stories about you know, look getting 586 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: robbed and you know, you know the things that most 587 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: artists can counter at one point or another in their 588 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: careers with regards to the financial part and all that. 589 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: So we had to learn learn the business quickly. And 590 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: you know, for us, you know, we didn't have there 591 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: you go is h what's your name? H? She was 592 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: doing her homework, so okay, came down. What's your name 593 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: is Scott? Nice to meet you. How are young? This 594 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: is my oldest. My youngest is eleven, and he's probably 595 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: bouncing around somewhere too. He hasn't girls yet. We have 596 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: to know if you like Gilmore Girls, are you Luke 597 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: and Lorali forever and always? Are you Team Jess, Team 598 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: Logan or team Dean? I don't know, probably team Jess. 599 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: So there you go. There you go, fast day with family. 600 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: Gotta keep keeping in the family. And then literally during 601 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: all of COVID um, you know, of course, families were 602 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: bonding and watching different stuff, and I would literally walk 603 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: into the room and her and my wife would be 604 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: like laying on the couch together watching just Gilmore Girls. 605 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: And then they get mad if somebody went an episode ahead, 606 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: and then they have to catch up. So it was 607 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: like the it was the whole, the whole thing. So 608 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: Young Moore girls help get our family through COVID and quarantine. 609 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: So thank you, well, no, thank you my god. I mean, 610 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, I was I was just a small part 611 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: of that band, you know, and and it worked out 612 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: for everybody. But yeah, you guys are the absolute best. 613 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: Jeff Drew, We can't thank you enough. You guys are 614 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: the best. Always. Yeah that pleasure happy at the end 615 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: of it, go go back to doing homework. But but guys, 616 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: great meeting you love hearing your story. I love talking 617 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: to guys and gals who are the dream and who 618 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: worked their butts off and and and make it. I mean, 619 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: it's just it's it's the most interesting part of of 620 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: life for me. I mean, I don't care what it is. 621 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: I love these stories. I love these stories. And congratulations 622 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: to all your success and keep going. People love you, 623 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: and uh, I'm gonna come see you. I really want 624 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: to go. You know, I was booked on a personal appearance, 625 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: and I thought I was the main gig some Heriss's 626 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: private party, and they you know how that is, they 627 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: fly you in, right, you guys do that a lot. 628 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: So I thought I was the main attraction until uh, 629 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: Nick Carter showed up and put on a lot a 630 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: little acoustics set and it's like, you know, I wasn't 631 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: familiar with the music, but I remembered some of the 632 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: hits he was singing, and I just thought, boy, this 633 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: guy is really good and he's you know that he's 634 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: got that seasoned and you all have that seasoned professional 635 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: approach to how to perform, and it's just also great. 636 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: So I would love to be a guest if you 637 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: can manage it okay, next time you, guys, but I'd 638 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: love to see I'm a huge fan. I write a 639 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: lot of music and I huge fan of performers. So anyway, guys, 640 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time. You've got. Best of luck, 641 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: keep it up. Uh, your your your music is needed 642 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's it's helping people heal. It 643 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: just is you're bringing joy to people and that's the 644 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: bottom line, right, So you're in the happiness business and 645 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: you're making people very very happy. Thanks again, guys. Hope 646 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: to have you back on again soon. Take care, all right, guys, 647 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: Hi guys, thank you, all right, Thanks guys. All right, 648 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: Wow that was that was aren't they the best? They're cool? Wow? 649 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: That was great. People are definitely we can tell from 650 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: the response because people are going nuts. They're definitely passionate 651 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: about boy bands in general. But they do have their 652 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: picks their face, some good singers, some guys that can 653 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: really sing. You know. It's like that changed music. It 654 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: changed music, change popular music. Guys that could actually sing. 655 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, Well, that was a trip down memory 656 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: lane for y'all. I hope you enjoyed it. I really 657 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: liked meeting those guys. They you know, such solid guys, 658 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: aren't they? Such smart, driven guys who really know what 659 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: they're doing and very talented people. Ah, that was great. 660 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: That was great. And Amy and Riley. We have to 661 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: go to one of their shows. We will. Riley was 662 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: just with them in Vegas. She was literally just with him. 663 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: We will. They'll. They've been playing Vegas a bunch, but 664 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: they'll do a show in l I want to go there. Also, 665 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: take you, We'll take you? Can you take me? Can you? 666 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: Will you get me in? Or will they laugh at 667 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: me in backstage? We'll take you back because I'm over sixty, 668 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: so it's like, what are you doing here? We'll get 669 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: you a T shirt and all I I auditioned to 670 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: be a drummer and I didn't make it, but I 671 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: still want to compare my respects to the boys. Do 672 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: it al right, everybody, we'll be back after these words. Yeah, alright, everybody, 673 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: We're back and we are ready to discuss ps I love, 674 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: which I did not know what on earth you were 675 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: talking about last week when you say and we'll break 676 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: down ps L dot dot dot so we don't know 677 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: how to I thought my computer was like you know, 678 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: the the internet connection was unstable again and you were 679 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: going ps about that, and I'm like, what what did 680 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: you say? What did you say? Anyway, you have a question, 681 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: so right off the bat and Riley you chime into. 682 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: Because this has befuddled me for like a number of episodes. 683 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: I don't understand why Rory didn't just tell her mom 684 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: at least, but tell everybody what actually happened. Like, it's 685 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: so weird that we've had this weird misunderstanding where everyone's 686 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: so mad at Dean when really, yeah, Dean didn't do anything. 687 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: I think there's a measure of shame. She didn't want 688 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: to admit that she couldn't say it back, and she 689 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: was I think she was just really confused. I mean, 690 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 1: she's sixteen and all these feelings he's intended. She's obviously 691 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: very intelligent. You know, she's got that backbone made of 692 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: iron that she inherited from her mother and her grandmother. 693 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: And I just think there's a level of shame that 694 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: you don't want to admit that you don't have it together, 695 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: and you you sort of choked in the in the moment, 696 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: but what didn't you don't really understand the reason why, Yeah, Okay. 697 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: So that's a great, great satisfying answer to my question. 698 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: And that makes the scene in Rory's bedroom at Emily's 699 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: that much more poignant because Laurel I says, this is 700 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: my fault that you felt this um yeah that that 701 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: last speech. It's and and it really, you know, it 702 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: boils down to, you know, the example that Laurel is 703 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: setting for her and Rory just like just rakes her 704 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: over the coals in that walk and talk in front 705 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: of high school like well, you know, you know, my god, 706 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: well you'll just break up and then get back together 707 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: and you'll break up again, and like I don't even 708 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: want to, like, you know, invest in that. Just let 709 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: me know when you're like it's in the late innings 710 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: and I'll you know, I'll tune in or something. And 711 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: she ever give a serious answer, like she calls out 712 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: lower life for all the pity. Yeah, like enough with 713 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: the bs and just I'm not in the mood right now. 714 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: It's like it's she's almost like a more mature version, 715 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: uh of her mother, almost. But and stop deflecting and 716 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: stop trying to keep everything light and let's get real here, 717 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: because these are serious issues for her and it's like, hey, mom, 718 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: these your life decisions are impacting me in a very 719 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: deep way, and I want to talk about it. And 720 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm confused about it, and I don't understand half of it, 721 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: you know. And it's like, you know, Max this and 722 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: Max that and Dean and you know it's it's it's 723 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: tough stuff. And how do you feel if your teacher 724 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: calls for class? I mean, that was like, oh, this 725 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: is just so uncomfortable. And and there are the those 726 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: of you out there that hate this when I talk 727 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: about acting, but I love talking about acting. So I'm 728 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: going to talk about acting again, so you may. We will, 729 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: we will allow it. I thought it was one of 730 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: Alexis's best moment in front of a camera when she 731 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: had that scene with Scott Cohen with Max and she 732 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: was finding out. I mean, how wonderfully subtle her work was, 733 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: and just like she couldn't believe it, but man, she 734 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: she was. She was keeping her feelings closed to the 735 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: vest enough that he couldn't see it, but enough that 736 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: we could. So that was great she was. I think 737 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: that's perfectly said she that we all felt uncomfortable. Yeah, 738 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: these kids are good. I mean Jared and and Alexis 739 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: are just they really showed what kind of acting chops 740 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: they had. That's all I'll say about the acting. I 741 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: don't want to piss anybody off. What you have to 742 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 1: say a little more. You have to say more because 743 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: that scene upsets people, Jared and Lauren in in Doci's 744 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: Market because she's up in his face and he was 745 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: so perfect act and then sort of like leave me alone, lady, 746 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: like your daughter hurt me right, And he's got to 747 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: play that fine line of not getting angry and making 748 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: you know, making everybody turn the channel and with and 749 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: also not playing the victim at the same time, this 750 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: sort of justifiable intensity. And that's he's he was a 751 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: very fine young actor at eighteen years old. He was 752 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: eighteen years old. I mean, imagine, I agree these two 753 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: are just anyway. That's all I'll say about the acting. 754 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: Do you think Lane should have just told Rory right 755 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: off the bat that because obviously shouldn't pick Dean to 756 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: be her partner. Obviously they got paired. Should she have 757 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: just told her? Look this blows, but like you know, 758 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: Mr So and So put us together and now I 759 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: got to have Dean at my house because it was 760 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: so brutal when Rory walks in. I think Lane has 761 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: so much crept to deal with from her own mother 762 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 1: that she didn't really want to you know, she really 763 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: didn't want to heap that onto to Rory when she 764 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: knows she's heartbroken and she knows she's going through a 765 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: hard time. Uh, it would have just been it probably 766 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: would have just felt like, you know, rubbing salt in 767 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: the wound, and she didn't want to do that, but 768 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: she had this reality. And there again, there maybe there 769 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: should have been an explanation as to how they ended 770 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: up as study partners. I was wondering, like, boy, that 771 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: there's a piece here missing, and maybe that's intentional, because 772 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: how did she end up with him? Because it would 773 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: have been easy in one sentence to explain it. They didn't, 774 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: So I agree there was some intention quick scene like 775 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: you know, it's a you know, it's a pot pourri 776 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: or whatever. They picked the scene part or whatever. They 777 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: were paired right right, or they happened to share the 778 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: same passion for a certain area of biology and I 779 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: don't know, frog digestive systems or something which would have 780 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: made that joke work a little better. At the dinner table, 781 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: which and it was still good. There's so many heavy 782 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: things happening because you haven't even dealt with yet. That 783 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 1: Rory after she has the big fight, tells no one 784 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: and just gets in a cab and goes to her grandparents. 785 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: And I think, wow, that said a lot that she's 786 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: that close with them. Now. She didn't go to Lane, 787 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: she didn't go to Suki, she didn't go she went 788 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: to her grandparents. Well, listen, I remember talking about this 789 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: in the beginning, about how inappropriate the Max Laurel I 790 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: think was, And I knew the chickens would have come 791 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: home to roost at some point, and there they did 792 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: in that episode. Uh. And I hate to say I 793 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: told you so, but I told you so. And and 794 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: I think it's there's an emotional logic that makes this 795 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: show so great because you predict what's going to happen 796 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: without it really seeing it coming. Almost. I mean, it's 797 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: it's like, when is it going I feel it should happen, 798 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: it could happen, but I don't know when it's going 799 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: to happen. It doesn't happen in an obvious way, and 800 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: it happens down the line, and there it was, there was, 801 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 1: there was the blow up. It's like, you know, people 802 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: sort of not being open and not communicating and not 803 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: trusting each other enough and not telling people stuff when 804 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: they should. And that's those seeds were planted in the 805 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: very beginning of the show. Like that that Emily and 806 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: Richard welcomed her right in that made me you know, 807 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: they really, they really, she is their top priority. They'll 808 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 1: cancel their plans. They don't care that they're all dressed 809 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,959 Speaker 1: up and ready to go. She comes first to them, 810 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 1: and I think she knows that now. So I did 811 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: sort of like that, and I thought, Emily, you know, 812 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 1: something that really stood out to me was there at 813 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 1: the table and Roy says, oh, you talk to my mom? 814 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: Is she mad? And Emily says she was concerned? And 815 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 1: I thought the way Emily handled that was so beautiful 816 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: because Emily, you know, could have been snarkier, but no, 817 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: she handled it. Would have it would have ruined the character. 818 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: She'd handle it any other way. She had to be classing, 819 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: up front and honest. She had to be. And you know, 820 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: there's one thing that just popped in my head, the 821 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 1: operative word in this episode, I think as far as 822 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: Rory's story is concerned, as protection and she mentioned that 823 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: a couple of times, like why does everybody feel like 824 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: they have to protect me? And stop protecting me? This 825 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: kind of thing. And she has a real point, and 826 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: I think that's why she was cast. Not only is 827 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: she skilled, but her the way she looks and that 828 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: sweet little voice, you do want to protect her. So 829 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,879 Speaker 1: they had to get somebody that exuded vulnerability. Um, and 830 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: there you have it, Um, there you have it, and 831 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: that and that actress right there in alexis Um. Such 832 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: a sweet face and such a sweet voice, and such 833 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: a such a fine mind, you know, to go along, 834 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: and such a good heart. And I mean, what what 835 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: a what a wonderful, wonderful person she is, And who 836 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to protect her? I mean everybody? I mean 837 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 1: look at look at what Look at what Lane goes through. 838 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: I mean Lane acted like a jilted lover, like she 839 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: is devastated. She was so happy for that hug at 840 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: the end performance. And look, I don't pretend to be 841 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: like the best acting critic in the world, but to me, 842 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: performance is flawless. There's they all just seems so real. Yeah, 843 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,879 Speaker 1: you can't criticize I mean, from Richard all the way 844 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: to Kirk like and in between, like every single performance 845 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,479 Speaker 1: just is flawless. I agree, and every little bit too 846 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: because we there's always so many storylines. We haven't even 847 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: talked about your crappy cat gift and the makeover because 848 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: that was major, like that cat, you know, the you 849 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: know the cat gift Jesus that the cat pottled or 850 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: so bad. So that's the that's the real question, isn't 851 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: it is Laurel I acting more as a friend or 852 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: more as the person try to drive a wedge between 853 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: his successful relationship with seeing some light at the end 854 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: of the tunnel for looking Laura life. It's not intentional, 855 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 1: but no, I don't think it was shopping. It's not intentional, 856 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: but nobody is shopping for their body right, shop for 857 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: their boyfriend, like exactly, come yeah, I just is he 858 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: that clueless where you know he just needs some but 859 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: a friend like that to do that for him? No, 860 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: because it was so that's what a husband and wife do. 861 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: Like the whole thing was like the way a couple behaves, 862 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: except that these two just won't acknowledge their a couple 863 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: because no dude is going to try on some just 864 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: friends random outfit you did it because it's her. Come on. 865 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: The whole thing is so blatant. Are they so in 866 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: love and so unaware of it that they just fall 867 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: into this rhythm? See they do. They fall into that 868 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: rhythm with each other right away. It doesn't matter the circumstance. 869 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 1: I mean, then Rachel and she leaves. As soon as 870 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: Rachel walks in, she Laura I just says, well, okay, bye. 871 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: It's like thing is just so again flawless because he 872 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: Luke takes the outfit. Of course it looks great on him, 873 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: and then the belt breaks and he's got the belt on. 874 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: Come on. But that's telling you know, that's telling Rachel 875 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: pretty much we're not going to work out because you know, 876 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: why isn't she doing that? And why is she doing 877 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: that with Laura? Why is he doing that with Laura La? 878 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: And what is going on? Those two look like they're 879 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: along together. And yeah, I don't think Luke. Luke wouldn't 880 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,800 Speaker 1: have allowed Laura La to do it, and he really 881 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: didn't allow her to do it. Um, But if he 882 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: was really in love with Rachel and really wanted to 883 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: have something really and he felt a real future was happening, 884 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: he would have told her and he did. He never 885 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: would have agreed to the wardrobe fitting, correct, He would 886 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,839 Speaker 1: not have put the clothes on and come out and 887 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,240 Speaker 1: been fitted and you know, been his sort of complaining self. 888 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: But you know, he wouldn't have let it get to 889 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: that point because he would have been like, like, what 890 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: if Rachel sees us. I mean, it's right in the diners, 891 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: right in your face. Is not a cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater. 892 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: But I mean, come on, it's like those two are 893 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: so connected and they have the chemistry and they have 894 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: the whole thing. That's his cheating. He can't help himself 895 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: with Laurela. He's already like emotionally kind of cheating because 896 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: he has the feelings. He might not be admitting it 897 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: to himself, but like all of us are like, I mean, 898 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: but look at him. I mean, he not only did 899 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: a rant, a rant over the what is the meal 900 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: gloves or the kitten gloves or whatever they were? The 901 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:54,720 Speaker 1: kitten ofven mets were okay, So he did that rant 902 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: about giving gifts, and then he did a double rant, right, 903 00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: what was the double rant over he did? And he 904 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: had her the credit card also so quickly. Those are 905 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: not things you do like you you do that with 906 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: someone that you're so tight with, like they acted like 907 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 1: a married because they've been married. Spend it's just like 908 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,919 Speaker 1: here's my credit card, like I completely trust you, what's 909 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: mine is yours like it's just And she handles the 910 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: rants so beautifully because she's amused by it. And this 911 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,799 Speaker 1: is Luke And this is what I love about Luke. 912 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: He's so unfiltered and so real that I love this guy. 913 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: And she stands there and does her funny little lines 914 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: and she's the only one that can probably handle him totally. 915 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: And we're also realizing how doomed, for lack of a 916 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,720 Speaker 1: better word, Mr Medina, Max and Loria Lee are because 917 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: she didn't even tell anybody. And I know she's sort 918 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: of backpedaling that at the end, but it's like, come on, yeah, 919 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: you know I I have very little commentary about the 920 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: Max Medina today this episode, which will make some people 921 00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: very happy. I'm sure you know my comment on Max 922 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: Medinas that's a head of hair. That's a nice set 923 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: of hair, isn't it. Let's be let's let's be positive 924 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: about Max Medina. That poor s O B is in 925 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: a situation. I mean, he walked into the middle of 926 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: a volcano, an active volcano, and the poor guy is 927 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: just getting lava all over him and he's just he's 928 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna get burned. He's getting burned totally. It's 929 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 1: getting so it's getting more and more obvious that that's 930 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: going to happen. And I think the scene in the 931 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: bedroom at the Gilmore's, you know, Richard and Emily's, where 932 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: Loyal lies opening up about her own flaws and how 933 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: she doesn't want Rory to have those flaws. You realize again, 934 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: Max isn't prepared for this, but Luke is. Luke knows 935 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: her and can handle this completely, whereas Max is all like, 936 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: why don't you tell Rory? Oh? You know, honestly, dude, 937 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,080 Speaker 1: she's not ready. She didn't tell anybody because she's not 938 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: ready to admit any of this. You know, any judgments 939 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: or criticism that you may have had during the episode 940 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 1: towards Laurelay's character are wiped away in that scene, that 941 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,399 Speaker 1: very last scene, because she comes off so smart and 942 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: so loving and so caring and so just brilliant a mother. 943 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: I agree, and I don't want to pass my flaws 944 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 1: onto you. And I know I have them right. It's 945 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: it's just what a gorgeous scene. And that was a 946 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,240 Speaker 1: scene that that was a gory That was my favorite scene. 947 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 1: It was just gorgeous. It really was just a beautiful scene. Yeah, 948 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,280 Speaker 1: because it really made you they had so much tension 949 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 1: and with that explanation everything was okay and they were 950 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: good and I thought it was really cool, even though 951 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 1: there was a moment of sort of snark in it 952 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: that Laura Lee said, thank you mom. Yeah, you know, 953 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,919 Speaker 1: I think she'd snarky right out, but it was great. 954 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: It was like, how much would you want to live 955 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 1: in that house? We'll see you tomorrow night seven o'clock shop, 956 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,960 Speaker 1: Oh is it seventh? Good night, Laurela. It's like to 957 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: at that house with a homemade pop tart and the 958 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: lamb sandwich, like the whole thing. I'm like, no, wonder 959 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: you want to go here? Me too? I mean that 960 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 1: place is how rich are a bay? I know we 961 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: always say it, but it's like there's just something to 962 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: make you, like a homemade breakfast and the skirts being ironed, 963 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: and it's just like what a place that it? How 964 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: great with it? When Richard popped his newspaper back up 965 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,799 Speaker 1: after Emily said, you know, you know, or you've you've 966 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: never nobody's ever been able to get Richard lower and 967 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:53,240 Speaker 1: stop reading his newspaper and then the whole thing each 968 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 1: episode and I know, I just we say this like 969 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 1: a broken record, but each episode tops the one before. 970 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,759 Speaker 1: That's not I know, how does it get better than this? 971 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 1: Is going to get better than this one? Yes, look, 972 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 1: we're coming to the end of season one, but we 973 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,240 Speaker 1: all know because we've had Milo like Jess is coming, 974 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 1: Jess is coming so soon. Wait he's coming. Oh boy, 975 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: I can't wait. We gotta have him on the show again. 976 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, how great is We're gonna we have 977 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:27,239 Speaker 1: to have him on the show again. Hey everybody again. Uh. 978 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: If you haven't gotten tickets yet to New York Comic 979 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: Con at the Javits Center October seven eight, to come 980 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 1: see me, do it. Go to New York Comic Con 981 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 1: dot com or go to scott ep dot com s 982 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: C O T, T y P and click the link 983 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 1: that will take you to New York Comic Con and 984 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: you can buy your tickets. I will be there October 985 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 1: seventh and eight at the Javits Center in New York City. 986 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 1: The Big Apple I'm coming to the Apple and uh 987 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 1: that's a Thursday and Friday. Okay, So I hope to 988 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: see everybody there. Okay, I mean we gotta do pot 989 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 1: Pultrick is running out of time. Let's go, right, Ryan, 990 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,280 Speaker 1: this is I'm Riley this year pop culture. Three minutes 991 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 1: to get through it all, speed round. Okay. So first 992 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 1: we have Laura, Lee and Rory are in the diner 993 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,719 Speaker 1: and they're playing the game as men walked by one 994 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,399 Speaker 1: to three. You know, he's yours and Laura Lie says, 995 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,880 Speaker 1: because I'm not. Anna Nicole Smith after pointing to an 996 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: old man. So while before performing at a Houston strip 997 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,560 Speaker 1: club in October nineteen and one, Smith met eighty six 998 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,719 Speaker 1: year old petroleum tycoon J. Howard Marshall. Anna married her husband, J. 999 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 1: Howard Marshall, and the two had a sixty three year 1000 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,440 Speaker 1: aged gap between them. So Anna was in you know, 1001 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,800 Speaker 1: hot water when there was quite a scandal when the 1002 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,280 Speaker 1: question came to be who the father was of her daughter, 1003 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: Danny Lynn. Yeah, that was after the old guy died, right, yes, 1004 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,400 Speaker 1: he passed away. So then they went on to the 1005 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,799 Speaker 1: scandal scandal and Anna's living partner, Howard case Stern's name 1006 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,319 Speaker 1: was on the birth certificate, but the actual father ended 1007 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 1: up being Larry Burkhead, who you know he's now the father. 1008 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,680 Speaker 1: Moving on, While on the phone with Max, Laura Lai 1009 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: asked Max to make a gorilla sound and he says why, 1010 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,399 Speaker 1: and she says, I want to play and I want 1011 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 1: to play Wild Kingdom. So we have made reference to 1012 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: this before Gilmore Girls Girls did in season one, episode fourteen. 1013 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,920 Speaker 1: But here a couple more fun facts. The show came 1014 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 1: under heavy criticism for staging scenes of animal capture or 1015 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,320 Speaker 1: rescue for simply a dramatic effect, and Johnny Carson, the 1016 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 1: legendary talk show host, was a huge fan of the show. 1017 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 1: Laura I buys closed for Luke as we talked about 1018 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,440 Speaker 1: in the diner at the mall, and would like for 1019 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 1: him to try something new. Laura I says, just for once, 1020 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't it be nice to be dressed like an extra? 1021 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,319 Speaker 1: For Seven Brides and Seven Brothers. This is a nine 1022 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,520 Speaker 1: four American musical film. For the bride's costumes designer Walter 1023 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,719 Speaker 1: Plunkett went to the Salvation Army found old quilts and 1024 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 1: turned them into dresses. And it was originally supposed to 1025 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: be called a bride for seven brothers. But they thought 1026 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: this would be a little too risk. Ay, you have 1027 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: two minutes too much? Okay, Laura I finds out Rory 1028 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,320 Speaker 1: is that Emily and Richard's house, and more, liceays to 1029 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: Max know that house is not safe. It's like Amityville Hohore, 1030 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,919 Speaker 1: without the fun, without the good times. So The Annimityville 1031 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,320 Speaker 1: Horror is a book by American author j Anson was 1032 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 1: published in nineteen seventy seven. It is also the basis 1033 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 1: for a series of films ranging from nineteen seventy nine 1034 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 1: to one. The nineteen seventy nine films started James Berlin 1035 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 1: and Market kidder Um. The two thousand five renditions started 1036 00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:23,120 Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds and Melissa George. Okay, next we have Laura 1037 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: Lee is talking about how Rory is so much like 1038 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,400 Speaker 1: Laura Lie but does not want her to be like that. 1039 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,879 Speaker 1: In the love life department, Laura lies for it. Says, 1040 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,920 Speaker 1: for example, say you're dating Taylor Hanson. Roy says Hanson 1041 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,720 Speaker 1: still together. Laura La says, they're like the New Begs. 1042 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,839 Speaker 1: Another boy brand reference, another boymand reference, and all three 1043 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,320 Speaker 1: of them are actually still together. All three are married, 1044 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,040 Speaker 1: and they have about fifteen kids between the three of them. 1045 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,560 Speaker 1: Moving on to the bgs. Bgs were popular in the 1046 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: late nineteen seventies. The three brothers Barry, Robin and Maurice 1047 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 1: were best friends and all headhouses right next to each 1048 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: other might be Morris. I think it's spelled Maurice, but 1049 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 1: it's Morris. Laura Lai says, good, Okay. Last week we 1050 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,279 Speaker 1: were talking about Meryl Streep in the whole Accent thing, 1051 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: and Rachel said that she loved Out of Africa, but 1052 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 1: she had never read the book. Remember so Out of 1053 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,600 Speaker 1: Africa's American epic romantic dramas. Darring Meryl Streep and Robert Redford, 1054 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,319 Speaker 1: the film was basically based loosely on the book. Meryl 1055 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,480 Speaker 1: Streep was nominated for Best Actress in the Leading role, 1056 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,400 Speaker 1: but sadly did not win. UM. Moving on to the 1057 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,200 Speaker 1: next one, Dean asked Lane this question after meeting Mrs 1058 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 1: Kim because this is kim is demanding and strict personality. 1059 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,480 Speaker 1: Dean says, how she seen Patton Patton Is In nineteen 1060 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,840 Speaker 1: seventy American epic biographic more film UM. George C. Scott 1061 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 1: won the Academy Award for Best Actor and famously refused 1062 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,800 Speaker 1: to accept it, claiming the competition between actors was unfair. 1063 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,879 Speaker 1: Last one, Laura and Emily are in the hallway after 1064 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,439 Speaker 1: Rory runs it away into Emily and Richards and lorya 1065 00:55:51,480 --> 00:56:00,359 Speaker 1: lie size. Excuse me, Mr Castle, hotel Howard, This says Howard, Yeah, 1066 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,719 Speaker 1: keep going, Keep going. Howard Coast was an American sports 1067 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: jouralist and author. He became prominent in and influential during 1068 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,440 Speaker 1: his time at ABC Sports from nineteen eighty five. He 1069 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,320 Speaker 1: was known for his blustering and confident personality. Some argue 1070 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 1: Howard belongs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Yes, 1071 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,280 Speaker 1: he's a legend. My favorite, my favorite line delivered by Richard. 1072 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you're upset, but I applaud your timing. Oh 1073 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,759 Speaker 1: that was great. That was great. It was great. It 1074 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:32,080 Speaker 1: was great. Give your line, Lola says, I'm buzzed on 1075 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,640 Speaker 1: the sugar and jazzed about the purchases. Nice. My my 1076 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,040 Speaker 1: favorite line wasn't a line again. I'm gonna give. I'm 1077 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,840 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna adopt my cap to Yannick Truesdale as Michelle, 1078 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,280 Speaker 1: who simply when found out that Max said it's personal 1079 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:55,200 Speaker 1: phone call, he threw the phone at Laureli. It was hysterical. Yes, okay. 1080 00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,920 Speaker 1: Next week is the final episode of c We haven't 1081 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 1: even talked about how militant Mrs Kim was in this episode. 1082 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:11,000 Speaker 1: She's never been more unhinged. I mean she attacked Dean verbally. Right, 1083 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was so funny stuff. All right, 1084 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 1: everybody that's gonna do it for this episode? What another 1085 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,120 Speaker 1: rollicking affair. We had degrees, we had a breakdown. We 1086 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,400 Speaker 1: had a three minute pop culture. This was like It's 1087 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,160 Speaker 1: like it was like that you got Drews Kid through quarantine. 1088 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 1: That's just like the connective tissue winner was he really? Yeah? 1089 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,720 Speaker 1: He has that mirrable. I think he does. He's a 1090 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 1: mirrable anyway. Next week, next week, final episode of season one. 1091 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,800 Speaker 1: Next week is the final episode. We do. We have 1092 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: special guests. The guests the heat. We're bringing the heat, 1093 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:56,760 Speaker 1: aren't we are? We're bringing some heat, alright, guysing announcement 1094 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,880 Speaker 1: next week too, So oh we do. That's right, and 1095 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,240 Speaker 1: I cannot reveal it now, but there is a very 1096 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 1: very very exciting announcement. You're gonna love this. People are 1097 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,080 Speaker 1: gonna love this. Um, We're gonna have We're having a 1098 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 1: ball with this anyway, guys, see you next time. Thanks 1099 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:43,920 Speaker 1: for everything, Stay safe, all the best. H Hey everybody, 1100 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: and don't forget Follow us on Instagram at I Am 1101 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,280 Speaker 1: all In podcast and email us at Gilmore at I 1102 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: heart radio dot com. Oh you gil More fans. 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