1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleep Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday three to five, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 1: twelve to two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at Foxsports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching appspr Booming Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show, 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. It's summer, It's June nineteenth. Welcome in. 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: Could be, could be? Could be? Could be the last 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 1: day we have we have basketball, last day we have 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: NBA basketball. If our head college basketball come to an end, 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: it could be all coming to an end. In the 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: very very near term. We'll get to tonight's game. We'll 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: give you a preview of it. Mark Medina is going 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: to join us on the show. I think Kurt Shilling's 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 1: going to join us. We'll talk about pictures and we'll 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: talk about show. Hey, now that he's back as a picture, 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: what he looks like despite the fact he's coming off 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: his second Tommy John surgery. Should our Sanders in the 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: news with a speeding ticket over one hundred miles an hour. 20 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: We got to have some speeding ticket talk because I 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: got pulled over for speeding but did not get a 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: ticket yesterday. But I want to start with this. The 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: Bus family is selling off sixty six percent of the Lakers, 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 1: and the Lakers are valued at ten billion dollars. Okay, 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: you do the math. Sixty six percent, that's six point 26 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: six billion dollars or so in the pockets of Tommy 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: Boy and Tommy Girl and all of the Bus family 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: that has run the La Lakers. And I have to 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: be totally honest with you, I think we're looking at 30 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: this all wrong. I think we're looking at this all 31 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: wrong because what has a tendency to happen? And Jason 32 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: just shared it with me, and I didn't actually even 33 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: think of it that way. Jason's a lifelong Los Angelino, right, 34 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: I mean technically s Orange County, but whatever, we all 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: get lumped to kind of the same bucket. And his 36 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: childhood mirrored mine, though I wasn't born in California, moved 37 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: to Orange County when I was six, So our childhood, 38 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: the Lakers seemingly were always good, and they had the 39 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: best broadcaster chick Hern. Chick Hern is to Lanson Lakers 40 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: Basketball Network. They had the most famous coach, They had 41 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: one of the two or three, two of the three 42 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: biggest names in all the NBA seemilarly at all times. Right, 43 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: it was Magic and Kareem and then Worthy and then 44 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: Magic and ultimately gave way to Shaq and Kobe and 45 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: then to Lebron. Like it's the Lakers. And so we 46 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: have a tendency when these things happened to look at 47 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: the Lakers and think of the dynamics. And I even 48 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: heard Colins say they went from analog to digital right away. 49 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: It's true. The Lakers have been a mom and pop 50 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: and my guess is, you bring all that private equity 51 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: money in and it's going to be a well oiled machine, 52 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: but run very very differently, very much profit first. But 53 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: that's I don't think that's the story, because if you 54 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: just take the Lakers, you say, Okay, well maybe they 55 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: didn't want to sell, but ten billion dollars. Everybody has 56 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: this price, and that's fair. We do realize that in 57 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: the last calendar year or so, the Celtics have been sold, 58 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: the Mavericks have been sold, and if you go back 59 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: to last summer, Michael Jordans sold sold a basically controlling 60 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: steak in the Charlotte Hornets. There are thirty NBA teams. 61 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: Thirty NBA teams, the two most historic franchises have both 62 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: been sold in the last calendar year. So if we 63 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: look at this just like you look at real estate, 64 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: and you say, yeah, of course, you know, finance guys 65 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: end up buying these teams. That tracks, that makes sense. 66 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: Those guys have just seemingly untold sums of money if 67 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: you look at it from the perspective of ownership. Now, 68 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: the Lakers can go to a spending war with the 69 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: Clippers because the Clippers, well, we're owned by our owned 70 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: by Steve Balmer, who's worth untold billions of dollars, and 71 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: it's all just a decimal point to him. He's the 72 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: most valuable owner in sports, and he's done an incredible 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: job of building a new arena and supporting the team. 74 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: But I think the bigger story is that whether it's 75 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: the cost of doing business or the franchises topping out 76 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: in terms of their valuation, the fact that you've had 77 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: four of them sold during the short period of time, 78 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: including the two most historic franchises sold, albeit for crazy money. 79 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: The point is that these are assets usually don't sell. 80 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: These are forever homes and yet they've been sold. Heck 81 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: throwing the Portland Trailblazers who are being sold. And now 82 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: you got five of thirty, that's one six the teams 83 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: of the NBA. And if really, really smart people who 84 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: have made a lot of money or who have inherited 85 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: a lot of money, have these teams in there and 86 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: being advised to take the big check and say I'm 87 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: done here. And remember if it's about money in the 88 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,559 Speaker 1: short term, like you don't have a lot of money, 89 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: If you're franchise is valued at eight, nine, ten billion 90 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: dollars and you're the owner, you can in fact take 91 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: out a loan. My guess is that the uh that 92 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: the next wave of contracts because of the new collective 93 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: bard In agreement, feels like it's going to be such 94 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: a heavy burden to not only win in the NBA, 95 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: but look what happened to the Golden State Warriors after 96 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: they won another title. You just get luxury tacks to 97 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: death and you're constantly writing checks. You lose money on 98 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: a daily and yearly basis, and we say you're you 99 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: lose money. It's not like you're losing a losing one 100 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: hundred dollars or even one hundred thousand dollars. You're losing millions, 101 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: and at some point it only makes sense to sell. 102 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: And when five of thirty are saying now is the time, 103 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: it tells you all you need to know about running 104 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: a business in the NBA or owning a team in 105 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: the NBA. That the old guard, and it's not even 106 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: that old guard. Mark Cuban cashed out. I'm good, I'm done. 107 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't need the hassle, I don't need the constant 108 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: political fight, I don't need the expenses. And it is, 109 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: in fact a business, and much like a business. I 110 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: remember having a conversation with a buddy mine who runs 111 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: a restaurant in Oklahoma, and it was right after COVID. 112 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: It's like, we just can't find people to work. We 113 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: give bonuses for people for just coming to work. Now, 114 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: imagine running an NBA team where you have all the 115 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: issues and you don't hire concessions people you don't hire, 116 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: but you do hire your own staff. But everyone feels 117 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: that as it's harder and harder to get people to 118 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: go to work. And then the top paid people in 119 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: all of sports, in all of entertainment, by and large, 120 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: are athletes and NBA players want to work less, want 121 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: to get paid more. That's the narrative for all people. 122 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: And they will be paid more, substantially more. And they 123 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: have so much power in the market that it makes 124 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: it really hard to balance your budget and still find 125 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: a way to win basketball games. Yeah, my takeaway is 126 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: just different. I'm looking at this and we're hyper focusing 127 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: on the Lakers and on the end of the bus 128 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: Family era, and we're going to sit back and say, 129 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this is actually no different than 130 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: crypto replacing staples. A cryptocurrency became a real thing, not 131 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: when it gained all its value, but when it put 132 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: their name on the most known arena in the Western 133 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: United States. Instead of looking at like at this like 134 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: it's a Laker story and eventually they'll clean house and 135 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: you're bringing a new owner and you know he's going 136 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: to cut ties with and my guess is he has 137 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: ties with Magic Johnson. And it wouldn't surprise me if 138 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson gets his revenge and people who he didn't 139 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,599 Speaker 1: feel were loyal to him will be out in the 140 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: very near future, just to guess. But to me, the 141 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: story is that the two most historic franchise in the NBA. 142 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: Both are being sold obviously for rookie sums, for record sums, 143 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: and the only possible explanation is cost of doing business 144 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: is high and getting higher. The valuations are at their 145 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: peak and feels like it's buttoned up against the ceiling 146 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: and really smart people are saying, you know, I think 147 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm good here. I'll take the money and let somebody 148 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: else do the hassle of being the owner of an 149 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: NBA team. 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So Shedroth 167 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: Sanders got a speeding ticket going one on one. And 168 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: here's the thing, as somebody who you know, I've gotten 169 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: pulled over plenty matter of fact, got pulled over yesterday 170 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: two days ago, two days ago, and it was sixty 171 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: eight and to fifty five, which I don't know. The 172 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: police officer was in the right hand lane. I came 173 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: up into it went from sixty five to five five 174 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: and she was going like crazy slow, but got off 175 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: with a warning. And I guess my thing is this, 176 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: in and of itself, a speeding ticket not a great look. 177 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: We've all had them, try to avoid multiple speeding tickets. Right, 178 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: Every speeding ticket is different. It's like Peyton Mann likes 179 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: to say that every interception is a story unto itself. Right, 180 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: you ever heard that Peyton has said that. But what 181 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: I find to be fascinating fascinating is that Shador Sanders 182 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: going over one hundred. No one is going to argue 183 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: the validity of that ticket from this standpoint right, like 184 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: you're going and this depends like if you're in southern California. 185 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: I got pulled over once on the fifty five Freeway. 186 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: The fifty five Freeway sort of by Sex Orange County. Right. 187 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: It starts and it used to be actually a road, 188 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: but starts on Newport Beach Boulevard and then goes into 189 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: being the fifty five Freeway and goes all the way 190 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: up to the ninety one, which is like that takes 191 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: you into the Inland Empire and so on. The north 192 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: side or west side of the fifty five Freeway is 193 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: basically it goes like Central Orange County to North Orange County. 194 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: On the south side, it's the southern part of Central 195 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: Orange County in the South County right bisection. I gotta 196 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: be honest, I got pulled over. This is probably like 197 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: ten years ago, and the cop will be over and 198 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: he's like, do you know if esh you're going? I 199 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: was like, I don't. I've never seen anybody get pulled 200 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: over on this road. And though eighty two sounds really fast, 201 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: it's like what allowed you outside of hitting your quota, 202 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: to single me out, to point me out for going 203 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: eighty two, because everybody's going eighty two or eighty five, right, 204 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: But if I say that with a very reasonable sense 205 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: of honestly, eighty five and below is whatever ninety is. 206 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: Your hummin is not arguing once you go over one 207 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: hundred you have no defenders. There just isn't. There's no 208 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: defenders over hum now saying that, and of course Zach 209 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: Edy got up. Was it a one oh one or 210 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: one hundred and five in a fifty five? Right? Again, 211 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: that's on some sort of highway. He's going way too fast. Again, 212 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: same thing. But Zach Edy, there's no history of what 213 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: people would consider arrogance or entitlement. And so I understand 214 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: if you're sitting there going like, hey, why would you 215 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: say Shador Sanders is entitled and acting entitled by going 216 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour when you wouldn't say that 217 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: about Zach Edy. Well, that's because I have two years 218 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: years of high major college football evidence where he's showing 219 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: off his bling, he's trash talking and talking down to 220 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: people who come from lesser means or lesser statue or 221 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: what he's seen his lesser programs or lesser families. The 222 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: way he handled himself, by all accounts, getting ready for 223 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: the NFL draft. Like if I said, like shdrog Sanders 224 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: went one hundred and one driving, and you know he's 225 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: driving something that is very comfortable, going one oh one 226 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: Bentley Range whatever. I don't even need to look at 227 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: what card is. And all of us have some sort 228 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: of pr reputation, right, Like I'll give you an example. 229 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: Dan works a lot, he works on Sundays, he works 230 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: in the show. If Dan played hooky, Dan's like I'm 231 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: going and he said I'm sick, and then somebody's playing golf, like, hey, 232 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: i'sa Dan Meyer playing eighteen. He'd be like, that makes sense, right, 233 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: because Dan has a reputation of being a golf guy, 234 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: loves golf, right, Shador Sanders getting pulled over for going 235 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: one hundred and one, he has a reputation surprises. Nobody 236 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: feeds into the idea of entitlement fair unfair. You have 237 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: to know that's what human nature does. Doesn't mean I 238 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: cut him, but definitely points to that no matter what 239 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: he wants to say in front of the camera, and 240 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: many things in front of the camera have not been contrite. 241 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: That feels like more of an act. This feels more 242 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: like whose store is? It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here 243 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. And who better to catch up 244 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: with during the dog days as we got a bunch 245 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: of baseball to discuss. Then three time World Series champion, 246 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: one of the clutchest of clutch pitchers in our lifetime, 247 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: Kurt Schilling and Kurt by the Way, has a new 248 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: podcast on YouTube, appropriately called The Complete Game with Kurt Chilling. 249 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: It drops Tuesday, Friday and Sunday nights. Hey, I want 250 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: to ask you, Kurt real quick as we get started 251 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: pitching durability, right, I think the biggest, biggest frustration in 252 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: any baseball fan's mind is like, God, these guys, they're 253 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: constantly getting hurt, and no matter how much you pay, 254 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: or how young the arms are or old the arms are, 255 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: it feels like these guys are more fragile. Again. It 256 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: feels like you know the facts, we know the feelings. Okay, 257 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: it feels like they're more fragile than ever. What's the 258 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: reality to pitching durability? 259 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 5: It's broken. Pitching is broken sport wide, not just at 260 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 5: the base at the major league level, but it's broken 261 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 5: all the way down to the little league there's been 262 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 5: a transformation in the last twenty years. The money's gotten insane, 263 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 5: while pitchers are hurt more often and throwing less than 264 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 5: they ever have. And it's a direct result of this 265 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 5: massive love of velocity that has completely changed pitching in 266 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 5: the game. And it's broken, it really is. I've done 267 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 5: a lot of work over the last couple of months 268 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 5: on my show going over the draft, this coming draft 269 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 5: and the way, and I'm using air quotes. The experts 270 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 5: have ranked the top pitching prospects. I've studied video of 271 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 5: all them. And the analogy I use is twenty years ago, 272 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 5: you probably could have scouted twenty pitchers and seen nineteen 273 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 5: different deliveries. Today you scout twenty pitchers, you see eighteen 274 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 5: guys in the same exact way. And it's these these 275 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 5: velocity schools that you know, come here, Hey, this large 276 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 5: exorbitant money, and we'll show you how to throw harder. 277 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 5: Not an ounce of pitching is done there, and you're 278 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 5: seeing it at the Big League global It's it's like 279 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 5: I said, it's sport wide. It's broken. It needs a 280 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 5: complete reset, and you know, I don't see anybody doing that. 281 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 5: And I'll give you a quick one if if somebody's 282 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 5: actually interested in how I realized this. There's a young 283 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 5: man named Chase Dollander who pitches for the Rockies. If 284 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 5: you go back on YouTube and look at Chase Dollder 285 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 5: pitching at Georgia and Junior College and then at Tennessee 286 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 5: and then at Colorado in the big leagues, he is 287 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 5: after four years, he is throwing the ball the same 288 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 5: exact way he did in junior college, which is an 289 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 5: absolute crime. And uh, that's sport wide. And these guys 290 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 5: are all ranked by how hard they throw a period. 291 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 5: And and that's just it just it's broken. It's horribly broken. 292 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: Steut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the 293 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: voice of the Big Show. Kurt Schilling joining us on 294 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: the show. Speaking of speaking of pitching, right, give me 295 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: your assessment. He's now had two Tommy Johns. We've just 296 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: seen him on the mound of showani as a pitcher, 297 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: what's your Evoluh devastating. 298 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 5: I mean, he's a he's a he's a top rotation. 299 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 5: Here's the thing that and the reason I think bothers 300 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 5: the saber nutritions. They can't quantify certain things and when 301 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 5: they can't quantify things, they discard them. Some guys bodies 302 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 5: are just not built to withstand the rigors of throwing 303 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 5: a baseball, which is a very unnatural thing. I put 304 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 5: no farther than Jacob de Gram, who is to me, 305 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 5: had he stayed healthy, would have been maybe the best 306 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 5: pitcher in the history of the game. He was Greg 307 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 5: Maddix at ninety eight miles an hour with wipeout off speed. Stuff. 308 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 5: I don't know, And it gets into the science, but 309 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 5: the bottom line is, and there's a little medical lesson here. 310 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 5: So you know, our body's made up of collagen, which 311 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 5: is connective tissue. Some people's collagen is just stronger than others. 312 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 5: And that's why guys who break their ankle as opposed 313 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 5: to another guy on the same accident twist his ankle. 314 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 5: Same thing with pitching and no different. And you're watching 315 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 5: guys who are max for every and the body can't 316 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 5: do that, The body cannot do that. And those are 317 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 5: the guys who and that's what I said. You saw 318 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 5: a couple more guys go on the d L today. 319 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 5: It's an everyday thing. Now. 320 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically like yeah, it's like, well, they're throwing 321 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: ninety four mile an hour cutters. What like, there's a 322 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: reason that you can't throw it. Can you do it? Yeah? 323 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: But can your arms survive it? No? 324 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 5: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. First off, the people 325 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 5: identifying pitches on TV don't know what the hell they're 326 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 5: talking about, because no picture in the game has six pitches. 327 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 5: Nobody doesn't. Doesn't work that way, And most of these 328 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 5: guys are out there throwing three or four pitches that 329 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 5: move different ways, and they're ascribing different names to all them. 330 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 5: That's not how it works. Number one and number two. 331 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 5: If you know the analogy I use. If you take 332 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 5: a very strong, thick piece of chain, right, let's just 333 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 5: say it has. You have ten links in a chain, 334 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 5: and I swing it in a circle and I have momentum, right, 335 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 5: the chain is fine, there's no you know, I'm not 336 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 5: causing stress at any of the connections. If I take 337 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 5: that same chain link and I snap it like a whip, 338 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 5: then you're stressing every connection to the chain. Right. These 339 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 5: guys are snapping the whip every single pitch, and you 340 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 5: can't do it. It's just not possible. 341 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: Would you ever consider running a team? 342 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 5: I would love to. I'm actually I'm very interrested in 343 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 5: getting back in the game. Now that's kind of a 344 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 5: recent thing, but I would love to walk in and 345 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 5: sit down with a team and redefine pitching for an organization, 346 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 5: from scouting to drafting to developing Johnny Podrey to who 347 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 5: I think was the best pitching coach I ever ever 348 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 5: was around. You used to have a saying, and I believe, 349 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 5: I believe will hardly you give me an arm, I'll 350 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 5: make you an All star because it's not hard to teach. 351 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 5: It just a different mindset. And I don't see it. Uh, 352 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 5: and it's it's gone. I mean, you have guys in 353 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 5: the big leagues who are coaching who've never pitched, who've 354 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 5: never They the guys that I don't know. Is it 355 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 5: drive line or these these velocity clinics are getting hired 356 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 5: by teams to talk to a pitcher. What is it? 357 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 5: What are they gonna tell me about pitching in the 358 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 5: seventh inning of a game in October in the playoffs 359 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 5: with the time run on third base? What are those 360 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 5: people going to give me? Brow harder? Because that's the answer, 361 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 5: and you know it's it's the two things directly correlate. 362 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 5: The more effort you put into a pitch, the less 363 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 5: command you have of the ball in the strike zone. Well, 364 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 5: there's a way to teach these guys. Here's the here's 365 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 5: an example. I used to talk about going to the well, 366 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 5: and it's going to the well for me was max effort. 367 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: Right. 368 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 5: I could go to the well three times in a game. 369 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 5: After the third time, I was done. But if I 370 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 5: didn't have to go to the wells on the fifth 371 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 5: or sixth, or seven, then I was okay. And going 372 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 5: to the well is like run around third one out. 373 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 5: I need a strikeout. Every pitch is going to be 374 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 5: maxed effort. Right now. When I'm maxed effort, I'm going 375 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 5: from ninety three, ninety four to ninety seven, ninety eight. 376 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 5: These guys are maxed up. These guys are going to 377 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 5: the well every pitch number one and number two. They're 378 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 5: doing it in such a way that they go from 379 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 5: ninety six to ninety seven. That's not it, you know. 380 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 5: Greg Mattick had a great line a while back. He said, 381 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 5: when I see two cars on the freeway, one's driving 382 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 5: ninety and the others driving ninety one, can you tell 383 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 5: the difference? No, But when one's doing ninety and ones 384 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 5: doing ninety five. You can these guys are quote unquote 385 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 5: going to the well for and losing command by the way, 386 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 5: and not getting any of the lots every single pitch. 387 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 5: It's just not sustainable. 388 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But what would what would limit you from 389 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: getting back into the game would be that you've been 390 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: out of the game. So how would you go about it? 391 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't. Being out of the game. I 392 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 5: think is given me a bird's eye view of things, 393 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 5: and I think that there's a tunnel vision problems sometimes 394 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 5: where you know, you see baseball is an athletics is 395 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 5: a game of copycast? Right, Moneyball was this, Oh my god, 396 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 5: you guys are crazy, and now it's everywhere. I think 397 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 5: that there has to be an approach to pitching from 398 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 5: the outside looking in, like my perspective, to reset the clock, 399 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 5: because it does need to be reset. 400 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: Kurt Shillings, our guest here on the Doug Ottlieb Show 401 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. I did want your thoughts on 402 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: the WNBA. We've talked about it a ton. Oh my god, 403 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: and it's really interesting here. You have a young woman 404 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: in Caitlin Clark who's legitimately legitimizing she's but there have 405 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: been other great players come to the WNBA. What there 406 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: hasn't been is the type of great players that brings 407 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: mainstream media, that brings moms and their daughters to the games, 408 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: families to the games, that has a legitimate following for 409 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: a myriad of reasons. You know, four years at the 410 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: same school, success in college, being from the Midwest, girl 411 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: next door, et cetera. I just want your your thoughts. 412 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: I'm not going to change anyway when you see Caitlin 413 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: Clark and what's going on in the WNBA. 414 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 5: Well, so, first of all, the uncomfortable conversation has to 415 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 5: be had, right, You've seen a ton of great NBA 416 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 5: player WNBA players, not many have been white, and that 417 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 5: that is absolutely part of this. I mean, Britney Griner 418 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 5: basically said as much, right, which is uncomfortable and stupid. 419 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 5: It's so stupid. Nobody. I can't think of any baseball 420 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 5: player I was ever a fan of where the color 421 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 5: of their skin had anything to do with my rooting 422 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 5: for them. I can't think of any athlete from you know, 423 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 5: and people I'll date myself, but people will talk about 424 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 5: the fact that you know, I talked about very and 425 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 5: Mark maguire very differently, and people say, well, one guy's 426 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 5: black or one guy's white. I said, no, one guy 427 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 5: was a good guy and one guy wasn't. Period. I 428 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 5: don't care about the other stuff, and sports fans don't either. 429 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 5: But the fact of the matter is, I've never seen 430 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 5: a sport try to commit suicide so adamantly on a 431 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 5: daily basis. And you know, if you listen to the 432 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 5: Fever coach the other night, she said the thing that 433 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 5: everybody's thinking, the rest suck. They have to get better 434 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 5: because everybody else is getting better and the eyes are 435 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 5: turning to the game. I was thinking about this last night. 436 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 5: Can you imagine what would happen to the NBA she 437 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 5: walked away today? Can you fathom what would happen to 438 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 5: that sport? And those women are literally punching the gift 439 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 5: horse in the mouth literally and poking her in the eye. 440 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 5: She is, Yeah, there have been superstars before, but there's 441 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 5: never been I don't. I mean, see Steph Curry with 442 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 5: twenty feet more range and it's fun to watch. And 443 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 5: I know, God bless Sophie Cunningham because she's now going 444 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 5: to be one of the most famous w NBA players 445 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 5: that ever lived, and rightly so. But I don't understand 446 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 5: it right. Think about this, Doug. In our lives, we 447 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 5: watched sports change the rules for players, Michael Jordans, right 448 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 5: Lebron James. The w n b A is doing the 449 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 5: exact opposite of all of those things. They're not trying 450 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 5: to protect the quarterback rule in the NFL. The w 451 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 5: n b A is like saying, Okay, beat the hell 452 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 5: out of her, but we're going to call all the 453 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 5: other fouls and it makes. 454 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: Sense she'll The only pushback I would have is there 455 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: is actually is a lot of Michael Jordan to it. 456 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: Remember the Pistons famously, Jordan rules knocked him on his 457 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: ass until ultimately they beat him, and then they end 458 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: up going on to three straight titles and then six. 459 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 2: Ultimately that happened. 460 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 5: That happened under the purview of the rest who called 461 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 5: of fouls. 462 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: I I got no. 463 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 5: Right because you and I are you and I are 464 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 5: watching the sport going Okay, she should be ejected, she 465 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 5: should be tech and none of that's happening in many cases. 466 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 5: It's just it's almost like, you know, there's a ton 467 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 5: of people who say sports are rigged, and you can 468 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 5: point to a million things and say no, they're not. 469 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 5: And then there are certain things that happen, such as 470 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 5: the team down thirteen KICKMP fifty Yarcuield goal with two 471 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 5: seconds left. Sure like there are things that happen where 472 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 5: you look at it and go, wait a minute, maybe 473 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 5: it is rigged, and this is one of those things. 474 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: Kurt, we got to do this again, really really soon. 475 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: Check out Kurt. Check out Kurt podcast. It's called The 476 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: Complete Game, three days a week on YouTube. Download it, 477 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: watch it. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. You know, Kurt 478 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: never shot with his opinions. Kurt Shilling. Kurt, thanks so 479 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: much for joining us on Fox Sports Tradio. Take care, 480 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: big boy, all right, I appreciate it, Kurt. 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You can always 496 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: have inst and access to our Fox Sports Radio videos 497 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: on YouTube. Let's get to Dan Byer with a game. 498 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: This is Game tiede on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 499 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a good one today, a fun one. 500 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 4: I think on the heels of I don't know, I 501 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 4: kind of feel like, you know, a bit of a 502 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: bit of a boob if you will, from what happened 503 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: on Monday. First of all, the game today. 504 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: Is I feel a draft? 505 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: Hey, why do you feel like it? 506 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 4: Well, on Monday, we did love and hate, and I 507 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 4: was so staunch on my hate that I actually texted 508 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 4: you guys to say I don't want to forget about 509 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 4: this on Monday. I did it on Sunday and my 510 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 4: hate was Adam Schefter tweeting about the US Open, and 511 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 4: I said, hey, man, stay in your lane, we want 512 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 4: NFL stuff, don't try to jump into the golf world. 513 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 4: But what do you know? Less than forty eight hours later, 514 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 4: I'm getting tweets of people saying, look, Adam Schefter is 515 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 4: going to be doing encurse reporting for PGA Tour Live. 516 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 4: And I guess that was the reason why. That's why 517 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 4: we saw those tweets from Adam Schefter, maybe foreshadowing what 518 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 4: he was going to do this week. Big golf fan, 519 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 4: but still I was, what's that is he bored? Well, 520 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 4: I just think that he was trying to soft launch 521 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 4: kind of. 522 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: So I get it, But why do you think he's 523 00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: doing it? 524 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 4: I thought it may have been a budget thing where 525 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 4: they just they were like, hey, we're only paying certain people. 526 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 4: Adam Schefter doesn't have any NFL stuff to do. You 527 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 4: want to do golf, it's on the you know, the 528 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 4: the pay broadcast that isn't the normal broadcast that you 529 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 4: get on Golf Channel. That's why I thought. But I 530 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 4: don't know, I could be wrong. You know more of 531 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 4: the inner workings over there than I do. 532 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: So well, yeah, I mean I think he's one of 533 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: those guys. Clearly he's a made man, right, I mean, 534 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, he tweets out that Sex State has fifty 535 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: million dollars in nil. I call him on it, and 536 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, they start, they start coming at me. You know, 537 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: he's so he's a maid guy. 538 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 4: Sure. 539 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't think it's budget. I just think it's like 540 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: he's always wanted to do it, so he went in 541 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: and said, hey, I want to do it, and they're like, okay, yeah, 542 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: is that River Highlands right, So it's really close. 543 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 4: That could be another portion of it. 544 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: I really think it's it's it's that easy. It's that 545 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: guys will they come up with stuff and like I 546 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: want to do it, and yeah. 547 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 4: And here's my thing on it is I think that 548 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 4: golf is the hardest sport to do that. Like I 549 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 4: I just don't think that Adam Schefter is qualified to 550 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 4: do that job. In fact, I think that there are 551 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 4: very few people. I think you have had You would 552 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 4: have had to have had to play golf at an 553 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 4: extremely high level to be able to do the job 554 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 4: of on course reporter or have been like Bones Mackay 555 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 4: on Phil Mickelson's bag for twenty five years, you know, 556 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 4: to know what happens, to know everything, because those guys 557 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 4: are just so good that the common person. As much 558 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 4: as you love golf, I could not be an en 559 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 4: course reporter. I love golf. It's just it's it's a 560 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 4: different job. It's not sidelines. It's not this is what 561 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 4: the coach said at halftime. There's it's a different sort 562 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 4: of deal. 563 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, hey, coach, what you think the first tap? 564 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: Hey coach? Did you think a second? Yeas coach? Yeah, 565 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: you have to you got to have a ton of 566 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: yeah if it does it And look, I understand it 567 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: on some level. I did sideline for an NFL game 568 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: on Fox, and some of it is really easy. Some 569 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: of it is really hard. There's a lot of work 570 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: to it, and there's kind of a there's a rhythm 571 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: to it if you will. And you know, as is 572 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: the case the industry, like, hey, you already have an 573 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: awesome job, why do you need to take up other jobs? 574 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 4: Well, this is too short sighted with a bunker between 575 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 4: you and you've got a three foot landing area, Like yeah, anyway, Iowa, Sam. 576 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: Well, I think go ahead, Sam. I'm sorry. 577 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 4: I had just quick question for Dan. 578 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 3: So like being a caddy, a golfer professional or amateur, 579 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 3: and then being a en course reporter those are all 580 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 3: have sort of a you got to be in this. 581 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 4: Club, you have to know what they're going through. 582 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 3: So like a caddy kind of coaches the golfer the 583 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 3: golf maybe a caddy what becomes a golfer, and then 584 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 3: there's some sort of. 585 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 4: Some I think you have to just be at that level, 586 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 4: like you have to be able to play the game 587 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 4: or know the game at that high level. Anyway, So 588 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 4: the game today is favorite announcer in history who called 589 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 4: different sports kind of off of the heels. I have 590 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 4: the first pick, Doug second, Sam's third, Jason is fourth, 591 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 4: and fifth. I'm gonna going off the wall one. But 592 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 4: there's a reason I love this. We lost him recently. 593 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 4: Mike Patrick called Sunday Night Football on ESPN. But I 594 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 4: also loved him, Doug and you'll know it Big Monday. 595 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 4: Sure he and Dick vi Tal would team up. Mike 596 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 4: Patrick calling college hoops as well as his NFL duties. 597 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 4: I'm taking him number one. I loved Mike Patrick's voice. 598 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: Wow, number one. 599 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, good pick. 600 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: It's a it's a good pick. I mean it's a 601 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: good pick. Mike Patrick called my dad's games at Jacksonville University. 602 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 4: Wow, right back in the day. 603 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: Crazy crazy? 604 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 5: Uh? 605 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: Do they have to not be calling games? 606 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 4: I'm sorry to be history. Could be, yeah, it doesn't 607 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 4: have to be current, could be. 608 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: Oh well, current. I mean, I'm gonna go with Iron Eagle, 609 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: all right, He's good as anybody's ever done it. 610 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 4: Sam. 611 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 3: Uh. With a third pick overall, I am going to 612 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 3: draft Brent Musburger. You are looking live. 613 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 4: That's a good pick. Who's off the board here, Mike Patrick, 614 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 4: Iron Eagle and Brent Musburger. 615 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,919 Speaker 3: Ordly, I think you know where I'm going to this Ordinally, 616 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 3: welcome to the Rosebay. And uh Vin Scully did a 617 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 3: golf and he's the greatest baseball announcer of all time. 618 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 4: All right, Sam, all right? 619 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 3: Uh with the sixth overall pick, I am going to 620 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 3: take Uh Sean McDonough. 621 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 4: Fan of Sean McDonough. Does that's good pick? 622 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: Fan? 623 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? I like him. I like his voice. I'm sorry 624 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 4: hockey and football, all right, Doug. 625 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: Uh, I'm gonna go with gott. I have so many 626 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: friends in these things. 627 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 4: I know it's personal to you. 628 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, you know what. We're not friends. We're not 629 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: enemies or anything. 630 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 5: Uh. 631 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: Joe Buck good ball, Joe Buck great at baseball and 632 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: really really good. That's a good pick at NFL football. 633 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 4: I'll make it quick. Vermlnquist college football. Yes, sir, Yes, sir. 634 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 4: That's game time. 635 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 5: Game. 636 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 2: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. 637 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: The year was twenty sixteen. What happened then? Don't call 638 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: it a throwback. It's Thursday. It's next to Doug Gotlieb Show.