1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: This is SWBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk to broadcasting live 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: Brought to you by Geico fifteen minutes could say a 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: few fifteen percent or more on car insurance and by 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage. Customized solutions to help you meet your 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: personal and business goals. Visit SWBC dot com. Now your host, 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Shannon Gross. Your host, Shannon Gross. It is Wednesday night, 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: seven pm in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. This is 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: one oh five three the Fan and that can mean 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: only one thing that the best show of the week 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: is now live and on the air. Welcome to Cowboys Crosstalk. 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: Shannon Gross here live from the s WBC Mortgage Studio 13 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. Joined by my co host 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: on Hanging with the Boys, which now is sitting across 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: this beautiful plexiglass from me, Nate Newton and joined from 16 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: one oh five three the Fan Studios, Sterling Daniels. How 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: are you doing, Sterling? Fantastic? How you gentlemen tonight? We 18 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: are wonderful. You're looking good. You blend in with the 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: background there. It's a good look, man, It's a really 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: good look, and I am going to let my co 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: host tonight Nate Newton introduced our special alumni guest, because 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: you guys have a little bit of a history. You 23 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: guys spent several several years on a championship football team 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: together and I just found out today you guys were roommates. 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: So Nate, I am gonna let you introduce our special 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: alumni guest tonight. Take it away, Nate Newton. Uh, yeah, 27 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: I special guest. Man. He was a rookie. I think 28 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: he's from a pastouh. He gonna correct me once he 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: come on there. I think he was a fourth round pick. 30 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: He was. We were roommates for nine years. I saw 31 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: him go from one hundred and forty five pounds or 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: two sixty five and to knee operations, two way up 33 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: replacements and everything. Uh should have been a pro bowler 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: many years, but he wasn't because he had so many 35 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: great players in the league. Man run extraordinary. Wanted to 36 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: be more of a sad guy, but Jeff Coote rod 37 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: him over a few years. So without father through my 38 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: friend the Gypsid. How you doing, Yeah, I'm doing well, 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: and so we're doing great. Man now Sterling. You and 40 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: I are gonna have to fight for airtime. It's okay, 41 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: it's all right because I can tell where this is going. 42 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: Nate's gonna go down memory Lane, and you know what, 43 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: we might just have to let them go because this 44 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: is gonna be a fun show. Hey man. As long 45 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: as we get some good stories out of this, that's 46 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: what makes it the best show of the week. You know. 47 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: Now we're here, we've got two legends together. What the reminiscent? 48 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: All right, all right, we'll work it out, work out. 49 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: So Tony, where are you living these days? What are 50 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: you up to fill us in a little bit about 51 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: what's going on? By the way, nice backdrop, nice little 52 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: mic drop over the right shoulder with the three Super 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: Bowl trophies or in the shot there you go sliding 54 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: a little. Yeah, everybody can be back, that can't. No. 55 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm living in South Lake currently. You know, I've been 56 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: basically working out, watching my young men grow up, um 57 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: working at matter of fact, when Nate's son was in 58 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: high school, I was working on Nate's son along with 59 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: my son, yeah, my oldest son, for high school football, 60 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: and just trying to enjoy life like everybody else. He 61 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: was a way better dad than me. Yeah, he goes. 62 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: He would take the time while he was taking the 63 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: time working out the kids. I was at the local 64 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: bar drinking and I called him, Man, to you, how 65 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: did they work out? Dad had to get on a 66 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: trail a little bit today. You know, I had to 67 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: get on my boy too, But I had to get 68 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: on a trailer. Like. That's great, man, just keep working. 69 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: I drink one for you, bro. Yeah, the boys are 70 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: pretty much I think they were a year behind each other. Yeah, 71 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: but they have the same qualities. Um, And it's an 72 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: easy connection since me and they, you know, were roommates, 73 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: et cetera, and so you know, that relationship was easy 74 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: to translate into to you know, bring up the boys 75 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: and getting them some kind of workout background and getting 76 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: to understand what it takes to be a professional or whatever, 77 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, your goals off for playing football. Now, when 78 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: you gotta say roommates, were you like training camp roommates, 79 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: like road trip roommates, like real life? We rolled? We 80 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: were rolled home and rolled. Yea training camp. We were 81 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: next door to next door to each other. But I'm 82 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: gonna tell you something, man, I could never beat Tony 83 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: in the room. He always beat me in the room, 84 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: and I could never get up early enough. Really, man, 85 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: what time would you I used to wake up tea 86 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: because I was like, how I wake up? Like seven 87 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: thirty o'clock he gone out the room, he'd be gone. Well, 88 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: if breakfast was at eight, I usually got up around 89 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: six o'clock. It took me a little longer to move 90 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: around because I was dealing with the knee issues, and uh, 91 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't want to wait in line when 92 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: everybody else started coming down to eat. So I would 93 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: get up early, shower, go back there, you know, go 94 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: downstairs eat and then Roomy would come down about twenty 95 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: thirty minutes later, and when we joined the table. But yeah, 96 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: now I wasn't gonna let him be to the room 97 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: or to breakfast. Yeah, man, did you guys ever, did 98 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: you guys go against each other and practice a lot 99 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: every every nine then? Because I played on the left 100 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: side and Tony played on our offensive right, so he 101 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: was he was a left defensive in and him and 102 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: gold getting him and Biggie and all of them do 103 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: was just to battle. Yeah, it's interesting because I went 104 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: against Twoey uh Nate for for a few years when 105 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: he played tackle right Larry Allen and big e Yo, 106 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: it was a long damn practice. I was the easiest 107 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: one because I had to show his arms out all. Yes. Yeah. 108 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: So so with having that, you know, being roommates and 109 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: being competitors on the field during practice, did any of 110 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: that ever carry over after practice back into you know, 111 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: training camp the room between you two or was it 112 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: all left that on the field now because training camp 113 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: were in separate rooms. We veterans had rooms by their selves, 114 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: so we had separate rooms. So uh now now Tony 115 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: and and and and Charles, and they would always no 116 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: matter if we had the better practices offense, we were 117 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: still fat, slopping, no good sorry, office Lamb. It didn't matter. 118 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: They were always won, and if we won, it was 119 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: always a big excuse why they won. Yeah. You know, 120 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: uh going to be honest when I when I practiced 121 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: against the guys, the only part I really had a 122 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: problem with was Biggie because Biggie would get out of 123 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: control every once in a while. Yeah, Biggie would like 124 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: to try to smack me in the back of my neck, 125 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, big fella, we ain't gonna do that. 126 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: We're not going. So after a while, we kind of 127 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: came to some agreement. We can either act ignorant together, Oh, 128 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna do what we need to do and get 129 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: off this field. Well, and let's let's save it for 130 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: the last segment. Go out with a bang. I want 131 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: to hear some stories. I want to hear some good Tony. 132 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: I want to hear a good old Nate Newton story 133 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: that I can carry over to the show that we 134 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: do during the week. And now it's got to be 135 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: PG rated because I've heard off the air some of 136 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: the Nate Newton stories that I can't take on the air. 137 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: So save that. We'll save that for the last segment. 138 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: We'll go down memory lane. Let you guys talk about 139 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: the old days and all that stuff. Right now, Sterling, 140 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: let's go to you first. We're coming off the bye week. Yes, 141 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: we've had a week and a half now to digest 142 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: what's happened the first half of the season. I think 143 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: we all have just you know what, this is typical 144 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: cowboy football. I got a little hope going into Minnesota 145 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: after this. I wrote them off Pittsburgh undefeated. They come in, 146 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: they have a respectable showing. We're not going to bring 147 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: up the word moral victory on this show because I 148 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: don't want Nate coming across the table at it. But 149 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, I have a little bit of hope. So 150 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: where are you at on this team and what's happened 151 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: so far this year? You know, I do think the 152 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: one thing I can really take from the game against 153 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: the Steelers, even though it was a loss, I like 154 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: the way that the defense seemed to finally start to 155 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: mesh a little bit more. And that was what we 156 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: weren't seeing before was it was a lot of the 157 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: mental mistakes and that's why people were getting burned. That's 158 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: why you saw gaps not being filled. It's because of 159 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: the mental mistakes. And now you're starting to see a 160 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: little bit more cohesiveness from that defensive from that defensive unit. 161 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: I think Mike Nolan as a defensive coordinator starting to 162 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: learn his personnel a little bit better, because that's one 163 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: thing when you don't have the training camp, you don't 164 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: really know your personnel. So it's like, Okay, well we're 165 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: gonna move this out here. He can do this, he 166 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: can't do that. And so that part of the defense 167 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: finally coming together gives me a little bit more optimism. 168 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm leaning. I'm feeling good going into 169 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: this because I know Minnesota looks better with Dalvin Cook back, 170 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: but they're not necessarily a super impressive offense that I 171 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: don't think this team could enk with Tony. What's your 172 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: assessment of these twenty twenty Cowboys so far this season? Well, offensively, 173 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to to to rate them because 174 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, both tackles haven't played this year. You lost 175 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: Zack Martin for a few weeks due to concussion. I 176 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: forgot the other kid that that's playing center. He was 177 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: out for a little while, Looney, So you haven't had 178 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: anybody playing together and for an extended time. You to me, 179 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: you have great skill guys. But and then when when 180 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: Da got hurt, the quarterback situation kind of hurt this well, 181 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: they hurt the team big time because he cleaned up 182 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: a lot of messes that was left out on the field. Defensively, 183 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, just using the Washington game for example, UM, 184 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: you know, just going back and remembering like the one 185 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: play that's called a touchdown on UM, you know, you 186 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: got two three techniques, the left technique three technique got scooped. Um, 187 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: the guard got to linebacker, the center got on on, 188 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: I've got the guy's named the inside linebacker. Then because 189 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: of alignment, you're out of the play. So a lot 190 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: it's been a lot of like he said, mental mistakes. Uh, 191 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: just technique. If you know, you see guys running into 192 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: each other, of each other's back, if you keep your 193 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: gap integrity, which is gonna be really important this week 194 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: with Dalvin Cook coming in. Um, you think Washington was 195 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: rough dude to put two hundred yards on it. So 196 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: you know they have to be disciplined and it's gonna 197 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: be big time effort and going after the ball. To 198 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: be honest, I still think they have a chance, just 199 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: because the conference is so bad and and and you 200 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: know me and Nate talked earlier. If you go back 201 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: and put Gilbert or Dalton in the game against Philadelphia, 202 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: they win that game. They win that game because you know, 203 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna knock nuch, but Nut, you couldn't throw 204 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: the ball, and Philadelphia was really trying to figure it out, 205 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: and we had we've had some opportunities. We kind of 206 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: let go. And now you're in makeup mode. You know, 207 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: there's no rooms from the stage. We can't point the finger. 208 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: It's time to go out and do what you need 209 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: to do. Nate, We're gonna take our first break when 210 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: we come back. You've had a week and a half 211 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: to sit on this team. Think about it. I want 212 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: you to update the fans that are listening tonight and 213 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: update me. Act like I'm not on a show with 214 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: you every day in the lunch hour and tell me 215 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: what your thoughts are and where you're at on this 216 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: team when we come back. Can we do that? Yeah? 217 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: If I'm sitting on the team for a week, I 218 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: hope they have come out flat. But anyway, go ahead 219 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: on all right, we will be back our special guest 220 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: tonight as Tony Tolbert, Sat Newton, Sterling Daniels. We are 221 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: Cowboys Cross Talk and we will be right back. You're 222 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: listening to Cowboys Cross Talk and we are on the 223 00:12:15,880 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Radio Network to SWBC Mortgages. Cowboys Cross Talk, Yeah, 224 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star 225 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: in Frisco, Frisco. Welcome back Cowboys Cross Talk. S Cannon Groves, 226 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Tony Tolbert, Sterling Daniels. We are doing it 227 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: live right now. And you know what this is like 228 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: the bonus show we have. We have two cowboys legends 229 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: on this show, Nate Newton, Tony Tolbert. It's like a 230 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: two for one on Wednesday nights. Now, that's right, that's right. 231 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: And Nate, did you know something? Did you know that 232 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: at s WBC, customized solutions for individuals and businesses are 233 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: just a click away? Where can I click? I need 234 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: you need to go visit SWBC dot com and you 235 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: can learn more and you can start your next adventure. Now, wow, 236 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: do it in the break. Don't do it now because 237 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: I need your undivided attention because I want to know Nate, 238 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: You've had a weekend. I have to sit on this team. 239 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts right now? Man? I'm you know 240 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: what I wish I couldn't answer. I answer that little 241 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: later told me and you talked about a certain running 242 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: back man and we felt basically the same way. Tell 243 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: them what you think about Zeke, because everybody know what 244 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: I feel about Zeke. Tell this young man and the 245 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: other young man that's listening about Ezekiel Elliott, Well, a 246 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: lot of people think he has fallen off. I personally 247 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: think he's still a pretty good running back. It's hard 248 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: to gauge him now because of the offensive line situation. Now, 249 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: if he comes out and he runs like this next year, 250 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: there's some concern. This year to me, he gets a 251 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: pass because you basically he he's gonna get the ball 252 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: as much as anybody else in this league because they're 253 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: gonna take as much pressure off the quarterback. So if 254 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: i'm if I'm a defensive coordinator from another team, my 255 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: goal is to stopped Zeke and forced the quarterback to 256 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: throw the ball. Well, the holes aren't there as much 257 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: as they were before, so now they's added pressure for 258 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: him to be successful. He's in his mind, you know, 259 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: he's turned the ball over a few times, so he's 260 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, he's got that going on mentally. But dude 261 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: to still there running a good running back. And I 262 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: think when you know, when they figured this quarterback situation 263 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: out and what they do best, you're going to see 264 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: the best of Zeke Sterling. A lot of people, like 265 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: Tony said, a lot of people are down on Zeke 266 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: this year. They're selling, they're they're wanting to see more 267 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard. Tony Pollard obviously, when he gets in there, 268 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: takes advantage of his opportunities here lately. Where are you 269 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: add on the running back situation? Well, one thing about Zeke, 270 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: and I definitely think Tony hit on it, is when 271 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: you're not having those running lanes at the beginning of 272 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: your run, you're not going to be able to be 273 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: able to create things. So if he's making you one 274 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: yard two yard games, you gotta look back and see, Okay, well, 275 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: how many people is he making miss in the backfield? 276 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: How many how many people is he able to take 277 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: with him from behind the backfield to get those two 278 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: or three yards? So, yes, I have seen a lack 279 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: of a burst at times from Zeke, but I don't 280 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: think he's fallen off to that point. And another thing too, 281 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: when you're talking about replacing Zeke with Tony Pollard, one 282 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: thing that Zeke does really well that Tony Pollard just 283 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: does not have in his game right now is the 284 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: pass protection. And if you take Zeke out for the field, 285 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: especially with all the holes that you already have on 286 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: the offensive line, you are going to kind of leave 287 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: yourself a little bit more susceptible to some of these 288 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: rushes that might come. And that's going to be the 289 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: tough part with trying to figure out how you were 290 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: going to go forward, because if you're only using Zeke 291 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: in there as a blocker, well, how are you going 292 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: to get him involved in the passing game as well? 293 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: So it's going to have to be a little bit 294 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: of a mix and match with the talent of Zeke 295 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: and the talent of Tony Pollard. And if you're able 296 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: to both of those correctly, then I think this is 297 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: a great one to combo. But I don't. I don't 298 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: necessarily think Zeke has fallen off just yet. You know 299 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: what's amazing about all of this is money as as 300 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: as crushed Zeke. Uh, whether it's right or not, we 301 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: like we say we'll know next year and how the 302 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: Cowboys do the thing. But you know, it's amazing that 303 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: we're paying a dud on defense too, and money has 304 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: crushed him. And I'm talking about Jalen Smith. You know, 305 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: your third year linebacker got good speed running around, can't 306 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: can't cover very well And soon or later they'll figure 307 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 1: that out like they figured out the pole. So. Uh, 308 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: sometimes the money just overwhelms people in the way they think. 309 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: And uh, and you could even go as far as 310 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: to say that about Tank. Tank grades out on Pro 311 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: Football Focus, you know, every week with a high grade. 312 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: But because the money, all his attention to him from 313 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: the fan base at people are saying he's not having 314 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: a good year, he's falling off. You know, we need sacks. Tank. 315 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: Tank knows it. He one thing about the Marcus. He knows, Okay, 316 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: I got to pick up my game. Okay, he know 317 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: his run game is sweet, but he know he got 318 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: to pick up his sacks. He knows him, and he's 319 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: getting close and close. I think this will be a 320 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: big game for him this week right here. Uh. I 321 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: look at this team, man, and now that I know 322 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: that they've gotten rid of all the guys that don't 323 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: want to be here, I'm happy now if this is 324 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: this a true youth movement, even though Gilbert is twenty 325 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: nine years old. That's what everybody want to keep reminding me. 326 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: The success came with Gilbert. The success came with him. 327 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: So I now that I thought about it, you know, 328 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: like you know, and we talked about it this morning, 329 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: I still won't Gilbert. I want to see can he 330 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: duplicate what he did against the Stillers against against Zim 331 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: because Zim is gonna every time you put that kid 332 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: Polert in the backfield, zim bringing her. He's like, okay, 333 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: leave him in that We're gonna be gonna check his oar, 334 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, and so we'll we'll see, man, because you're 335 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: messing with a master mind. If if Zim no nothing, 336 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: no nothing else. He knew what the defense vin looked like. 337 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: If he he know what a cornerback looks like. And 338 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: he got him. Bro, he got six. He got seven 339 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: rookies either either starting or getting thirty or forty snaps 340 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: a game. He sacrificed the first half of his season 341 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: to make sure that his second half of the season 342 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: be competitive. And he got him Bro, he got him 343 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: lining up for him. And we'll get into the wantly 344 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: getting the quarterback talk a little bit later, maybe in 345 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: the next segment. It ain't no talk, man, it's Garrett talk. 346 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: You might want to talk about it, but there's talk. 347 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna talk about it next. Okay. There 348 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: might be some people on this show other than you 349 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: that want to talk about it. Okay, all right, well, okay, 350 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: you know if I go to going a tony while 351 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about the defense, you know, since they've made 352 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: the changes. They've gotten rid of Griffin, they've gotten rid 353 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: of Pole, they got rid of Worly. What have you 354 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: seen that's different? Do you think that little spark under 355 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: some of the guys and realize, Okay, this is not 356 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: going to be acceptable with this coaching regime. I've got 357 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: to you know, what did it set an example? Is 358 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: it just better players in there? Why did they look 359 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: so much different? Well, first of all, I didn't you know, 360 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: just listening to Nate, I didn't know that they had problems, 361 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, not wanting to be around. So that was 362 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: news to me. Uh. Number two, you know, you got 363 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: to sometimes they play a three four four three. Uh 364 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: you they have to be comfortable. You know. Ali Smith 365 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: carried the team early in the year, got some sacks, 366 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: some big sacks, and now it looks like the guys 367 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: are kind of catching up. When you don't have an 368 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: off season and you're not accustomed to working out on 369 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: your own, it's it's it's hard because there's no you know, 370 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: a lot of guys, like he said, the money and 371 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: maybe just the fact that you know you andury you 372 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: may not take it. The pressure of somebody yelling at 373 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: you and looking at what you do is not there, 374 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: so you may not train as hard. And so I 375 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: think now they're probably simple flied, simple flied some some 376 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: of the things that they want to do scheme wise. 377 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: And now say, look, man, on defense, the good thing 378 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: about playing defense, You line up, you do your assignment, 379 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: and then you just go and you don't hesitate. When 380 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: you hesitate, you got to think about where my gap is. 381 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: And this you're not going to be as effective as 382 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: you are when you when you know what you got 383 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: to do and go to the ball. And now, like 384 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh was a I think Philadelphia hole, but Philadelphia's office 385 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: is terrible. But that was some car over to Pittsburgh. 386 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: And now, like he said a week later, we're gonna 387 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: see if you know you want to get you your 388 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: manhood tested this week because zimmers like this Kirk Cousins 389 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: has struggled with the ball. He's turned the ball over 390 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: a lot. If I got to make a choice to 391 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: hand this ball off to Dalvin Cook three times in 392 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: a row pump, three times in a row punt, I'm 393 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: not gonna let this dude lose the game. To me, 394 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: And what they've been having trouble with is run, run, defense. 395 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a real interesting Sunday. Yes, and 396 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: I hope they hope they figure it out. Yeah, it's sterling. 397 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: You said earlier, you feel good. And like Tony said, 398 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: the run. The run game has been the big, big 399 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: issue with this team up until this past week. You know, 400 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: they made those changes. They look a lot better. How 401 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: good do you feel with the Cook getting in the 402 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: kitchen this week and bringing what he's been bringing the 403 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: last two to three weeks downhill at you and punching 404 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: you in the mouth. How do you feel about this defense? 405 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: You know, I do feel I feel more confident than 406 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: if you would have asked me three weeks ago going 407 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 1: up against Dalvin Cook. How I feel. I feel. I 408 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: do feel better. It's hard to say I feel great, though, 409 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: because when you look at the things that Dalvin Cook 410 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: can do, it's not just the explosiveness that he runs with. 411 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: It's his ability to shed tackles. It's his ability to 412 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: catch the ball in the screen game, and if you 413 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: know you're getting out of position there, he has the 414 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: ability to break some big plays with you there. I mean, 415 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: we saw it last year when they played on Sunday night. 416 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: Some of the biggest plays of the game where Dalvin 417 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: Cook just taking the screen and going however many yards 418 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: and changing the field positions. So I do think that 419 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: this team is in a better situation now that they've 420 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: especially not coming off of a bye week, having an 421 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: extra week to recover, extra week to know your assignments, 422 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: know your preparations. But this isn't something where you say, okay, 423 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: well we got it, now let's go out there and 424 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: do it. You're going to have to go out and 425 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: making sure you're executing. It's not just about being in position. 426 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: When you're going up against the talent like Dalvin Cook. 427 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: Not only do you have to get there, be in position, 428 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: but you have to make sure that you are tackling 429 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: him first time so he's not able to break two 430 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: three tackles and really get going and be a potential 431 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: to a threat to your your defense. Last I was 432 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: watching the film against the Bears, and he had thirty 433 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: carriers for only ninety two yards maybe three point three average. 434 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: And I watched the film and I watched the run. 435 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: I remember one time they checked was running to the 436 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: weak side, but they brought there's running back to the 437 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: guys with the less guys on the side of the 438 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: field is running back to the bubble, but they blitzed 439 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: off of that backside. I'm talking about a corner. Delvin 440 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: took a step and saw that corner to the far 441 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: right and cut back behind him set the f a 442 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: hit for a loss. He got a two yard game. 443 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like, brother, that's elite to be going to 444 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: your left and to feel that pressure coming down off 445 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: that right side and the cut back underneath it and 446 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: steal gains some yards. I'm saying to myself, do not 447 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: feel your gaps this week, and you will see what 448 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: the glory looks like. All Right, We're gonna take our 449 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: next break when we come back. I may have to 450 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: put a muzzle on Nate to get this, to get 451 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: this segment over with. I don't believe we're gonna talk 452 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: quarterback because Nate, it is a topic. It is a 453 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: hot topic, and I want to know what America's team. Well, 454 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: maybe so, but it's still a hot topic. So we're 455 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: gonna get into We're gonna have some quarterback talk and 456 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: then we're gonna get into a stroll down memory lane 457 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: with our special guest, Tony Tolbert. Nate Newton Shanegroes, Sterling, 458 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: that is not true. You have never been able to 459 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: not talk, Sterling Daniels. We will be back this Cowboys 460 00:27:49,680 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: Cross Talk or the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network w to 461 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk about broadcasting live from 462 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Welcome 463 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: back to the show. Shannon Gross, Nate Newton holding it 464 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: down here at the Star, Sterling Daniels holding it down 465 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: at the Flagship Station one oh five three, and our 466 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: special guest tonight, Tony Tilbert holding it down over in 467 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,719 Speaker 1: south Lake with his massive collection of silver polished silver 468 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: that looks so blessed behind him. Back to it now, Nate, 469 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: just just sit there for a minute and listen, because 470 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: I need to ask Sterling a question. Sterling, Shannon, Andy 471 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: Dalton or Garrett Gilbert this week. Don't let Nate influence you. 472 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: Don't latinate influence you. I'm not gonna latinate influence me. 473 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try my hardest. But I will say this 474 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: one thing about Garrett Gilbert that I love seeing last week. 475 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: He looks very comfortable and confident back there, and when 476 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: you are going into his situation, especially with a depleted 477 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: offensive line. You need to have that confidence. You need 478 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: to let that carry over to the rest of your 479 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: team and say, hey, we're not out of this. I've 480 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: got this. Let's just get let's just go handle our 481 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: business and take care of it, and we'll get it done. 482 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: When I saw Andy Dalton out there, aside from when 483 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: he came in after Dak got hurt in the Giants game, 484 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: I haven't really seen him look too comfortable. He didn't 485 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: really look super confident. I know Arizona was bringing a 486 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: lot of different looks at him, I know that Washington 487 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: was bringing a lot of different looks at him, but 488 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: he didn't really look comfortably, didn't look confident. I think 489 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: if you're looking for a better chance to win, you 490 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: ride with the hot hand. That's you know, that's what 491 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: was the whole thing. When Dak took over for Tony Romo. 492 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: You rode with the hot hand you got. And I'm 493 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: not I'm not saying. I'm not saying Garrett Gilbert's Dak presscott, 494 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: let's pump the brakes. But until Garrett Gilbert gives you 495 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: a reason to pull him and saying no, you're not, 496 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: you're not exhibiting the confidence. We're not where we want. 497 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: You're not being the quarterback I can having the level 498 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: of play that we're looking for. I don't see why 499 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: you pull him out, especially if he seems that there's 500 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: some chemistry starting to build out there. Tony, were your thoughts. 501 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm kind of with Sterling. I don't mind if Gilbert 502 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: plays another game, you know, starting the game. I think 503 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: if he can can duplicate that success that he had 504 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh, because Pittsburgh you won't see another defense maybe 505 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: in Baltimore that has all these exotic blitzes and and 506 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: you know they come from different angles. He did a 507 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: lot of stuff, you know, stepped up in the pocket, 508 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: he took off, he gave the receiver as a chance 509 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: to catch the ball. He just threw the damn ball 510 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: and gave them my opportunity to to, you know, make plays. 511 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: And that's what you want to do. You know, zimm 512 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: is gonna probably keep it simple from the standpoint. He 513 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: plays a lot of cover too. They play a deep 514 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: safety over the top, so you're gonna know where the 515 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: guy's gonna be at. Now. The problem is, you know, 516 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: like like they said earlier, they're gonna blitz one guy 517 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: off the corner, one guy up the middle, maybe two 518 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: guys up the middle. Can he move around and create 519 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: enough space and time for guys to get open. But 520 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: I like the kid, you know, Like I said, I 521 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: think if he plays against Philadelphia, they win that game probably, 522 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, just looking at him, they probably win the 523 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: Washington game, you know, because of his athletic ability, and 524 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: he one thing he will not do is hold onto 525 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: that ball. He's gonna get rid of that ball. And 526 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: I like it. Yep, I'm in favor of Gilbert. I'm 527 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: I'm I'm wait, Nate, I'm with you, guys, believe it 528 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: or not, Nate, I am on the Gilbert train. I 529 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: think Gilbert made his offensive line look better. He looked comfortable, 530 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 1: like you said, Sterling, he looked like it wasn't too 531 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: big for him. He was composed. The team, to me, 532 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: had a little bit more swagger to it around him, 533 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: which to me is a huge deal, especially with as 534 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,479 Speaker 1: banged up as they are. I think he gave them 535 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: confidence and he controlled the game. He didn't let the 536 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: game control him. It did not look like, especially with 537 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: the Steelers and the defense that they have, he never 538 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: looked like the moment was bigger than him. And listen, 539 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: I was a big Andy Dalton fan when they signed him. 540 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: You know, I think, yeah, we you know, I thought 541 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: that was obviously there was gonna be a drop off 542 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: between Dak and Andy Dalton, but I didn't think the 543 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,959 Speaker 1: drop off was gonna be that extreme. I probably undervalued 544 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,479 Speaker 1: what Dak was to this team, especially with the banged 545 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: up offensive line. So I am. I am team Gilbert. 546 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: And if you're gonna go with this, you know he's 547 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: an older guy, but in terms of being in this offense, 548 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: if you're gonna go with this youth movement, let's just 549 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: go across the board. You know what you got in 550 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. You know he was probably here for a 551 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: year anyway, maybe an additional year. Let's let Gilbert ride 552 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: this out. Let's see if he's the backup quarterback of 553 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: the future. See what you got, and let's go with it. Now, Nate, 554 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: go ahead and gloat and give your thoughts. Go ahead. 555 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: Let me say it's because you know, it's two guys 556 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: on this team that I ran and raved about. One's 557 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: gone and one's gone and the other one I'm against. 558 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: Now I can't Tony. I bragged, and I preached, and 559 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: I prayed and I glorified done Terry Pole and this 560 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: dude didn't even want to play. And then my second 561 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: guy was was ended up. I was just so excited. 562 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: I was just over the top. And then when I 563 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: saw him play, he was so uncomfortable. It's like he 564 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: does better if you don't have to think. If he 565 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: just like when he when when uh Dak went down, 566 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: he just went in and he and he and he 567 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: did what he had to do. But it gave him 568 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: a week to think about it, and they gave him 569 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 1: another week and it didn't get better. Now, the word 570 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: I get is they didn't have the right guard, so 571 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: I was what the right guard. The other guy did 572 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,439 Speaker 1: out the right guard. But I'm saying he's right here man. 573 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, we talked about it earlier on our show. 574 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton is not the guy you're gonna start and 575 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: then take it away from him. If you're gonna do that, 576 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: do that with Gilbert, let him play another game, and 577 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: then if he doesn't do well, then you put Dalton in. 578 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm not giving up on the season. 579 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: But the out of the three games, who looks the 580 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: most comfortable, and that's the that's the Billy calmer looking like, what, 581 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: what's what's the thought process behind? You? Would rather start 582 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: Gilbert and pull him for Dalton instead of starting Dalton 583 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: and Pully because if you if Dalton came here saying, 584 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit behind Dad, I'm gonna learn from McCarthy, 585 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick his brain to be a better quarterback 586 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: because I eventually want to start somewhere else. This is 587 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: that team, and I want to go somewhere and start. 588 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: If you start Dalton Andy Dalton and things go haywire 589 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: and they pull him, it's thirty two other scouts and 590 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: it's thirty one other teams saying, oh, oh he don't 591 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: have it no more. So now he'll be scrambling just 592 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: to be somebody's backup next year. Because, believe it or not, 593 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: teams will tell you, oh, it didn't matter, it didn't matter. Bro, 594 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: don't get don't get treated that way. The figure out 595 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: that it does matter. Yeah, offensive line, you brought the 596 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: offensive line up the right guard? What how how would 597 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: you grade this offensive line so far this season? I'm 598 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: giving him a C. I'm giving him a C or 599 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: a c plus a great great effort. These a lot 600 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: of these guys are not winning because they don't have experience. 601 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: You know. Now it's a little different for the right 602 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:46,959 Speaker 1: tackle because he's not strong. He's not physically strong. He's 603 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: quick and he's long. He's everything that you look for 604 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: when you look at a tackle boom his picture shows up. 605 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: But when you look at the plan like whoa, he's 606 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: not strong. He is not strong. So when you're not 607 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: strong with long arms and leverage, you give a lot 608 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: of ground and people and then you you doubt yourself 609 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: and you get beat. That was That's the only guy. 610 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: Everybody else, even cam Irving who I was not how 611 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: it held his ground last week against some great pass rushers. 612 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: So from cam Irvin to even our left guard, he 613 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: looks okay. Coach Philbin I've said the weekend and week 614 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: out has done a master for job with a bunch 615 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: of twenty two year old guys who was in their 616 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: first year trying to learn how to block full grown 617 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: this this would be a year Toba where we see 618 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: the better defenses in this league. This offense if we're 619 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: seeing some and some moreis yet to come. You know this, 620 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, just to add to that, this may be 621 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: one of the like he said, one of the worst 622 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: divisions to plague. You got Baltimore, you got Cleveland's got 623 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: a decent defense, You got pitch for San Francisco. The 624 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, you have four first round picks. And 625 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 1: this is the year that your offensive lind goes down 626 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: the toilet to do the injury or any other thing. 627 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: So it's it's really really hard to gauge what you have. 628 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: And like he said, you know, like I remember coming 629 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: into the league and the first time I got a 630 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: chance to play, and I was going against I think 631 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: it was Jackie Slater, Yes, yes, and Jackie Slater, you 632 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: know he got He had this big old head and 633 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: he was strong. It was compact, and Jackie hit me 634 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: one time. I was like, damn, you don't have to 635 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: scratch my head. And I really finally realized, you know what, 636 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm not in college. I'm going against a grown man 637 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: who's paying a mortgage. And so that changed my approach 638 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: on how I started to play football and how I 639 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: had to work out, And like Nate said, the worst 640 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 1: thing you can do is go against the guy, get beat, 641 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: and then your confidence goals. Yeah, once you get your 642 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, once they were competitive. You saw the difference 643 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: in a team that believed when they were playing Pittsburgh. 644 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: Matter in fact, you saw it in Philadelphia if it 645 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: wasn't for that one play call when they did that 646 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: little reverse play. That team had established something running the 647 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: ball and they were getting behind their pads and you 648 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: saw the confidence come out. Play calling took it away 649 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. Pittsburgh they let them be what they you know, 650 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: they let them just play the ball and do what 651 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,760 Speaker 1: they needed to do and you can see the big difference. 652 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: And that's you know that. Like again, you hope a 653 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: lot of those things they did for Pritsburgh carries over 654 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: to this week. I'll tell you what, you guys got 655 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: me thinking I might pick the Cowboys this week. Like 656 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: I was totally off. You guys are talking me into it. Sterning, 657 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: how you feel about this offensive line? You know, I 658 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: do think the C grade is a pretty accurate place 659 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: to go, just because of the talent level what you're 660 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: looking at, and when you do have that type of 661 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: line or lack of talented to stay on your offensive line, 662 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: I think it does fall a little bit more on 663 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: the play calling to make that offensive line look better, 664 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: and and you know, uh, and Tony Mention did about 665 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: how when the play calling took it away from them 666 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, But I would say when you saw them 667 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: play against you know, uh, Pittsburgh, play calling kind of help. 668 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: They're like, all right, well, let's let's try to get 669 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,399 Speaker 1: the ball out a little bit quicker, let's do let's 670 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: run this, and once you are able to start creating 671 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of balance in your attack, that's going 672 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: to be the way that you're going to stay in 673 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: this type of the game. Uh. Now, the only reason 674 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: that I don't feel, you know, full confidence yet in 675 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: the offensive line is because I do think you still 676 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: need a few more weeks to get this line that 677 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: it seems like it's going to be the line going 678 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: forward to mesh a little bit more. But you're going 679 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: up against a Vikings team that's missing their two best 680 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: pass rushers. They're they're they're hurting on the defensive side 681 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: of the ball. So this is a good opportunity for 682 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: the offensive line to possibly get something going and then 683 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: build off of this success that they've had. And same 684 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: with the defense learning their personnel, the offense is now 685 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: learning their personnel. And if you can incorporate what works 686 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: best for your team. You're gonna set yourself up for 687 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:15,280 Speaker 1: some success. Young man Eric Wilson is playing. Kendricks is playing. 688 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,919 Speaker 1: Am I correct, that is true. Harrison Smith is fan. 689 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: They got just enough smart ball players and playmakers. These 690 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: three guys I mentioned are playmakers, and then they are 691 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 1: technicians and disciplining what they do. And so when Zim 692 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: was losing those games earlier, I was talking to some 693 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,919 Speaker 1: other guys and I was telling them, like Zim ain't 694 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: even worried. He got rid of a good pass. Rush 695 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: traded him because he didn't see where he fit in 696 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: his future. He went to his Jim Haymond, let this 697 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: guy go get what you can get. You have to 698 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: make a sacrifice that's unforced. You have to make a 699 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: sense the Cowboys. Once we saw that done, Terry was 700 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: not the guy. He stayed around here six weeks too long. 701 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: Six weeks too long, Everson Griffin. Once you decide that 702 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: you couldn't play standing up, you stayed or four weeks 703 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 1: too long, you have to make a sacrifice somewhere in 704 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: your season. And I'm telling you, Jimmy Johnson, once he 705 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,760 Speaker 1: decided tob it is my defensive end. That was nobody 706 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: else because he showed me. Once he decided to go 707 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: a pop Smith, it's over. You have to make decisions, man, 708 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: Don't let a decision make you. A decision made us 709 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: and hurt our defense. And now we're sitting here eight 710 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: weeks in, nine weeks in talking about guys. Hey, man, 711 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: they look better. They look good. If we were to 712 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: sacrifice four or five games eight weeks ago, guess what 713 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: we would be now. And I'm not saying we will 714 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: be have two more wins and three more wins, but 715 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: we'll be talking about this team in a different way. 716 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: Let's take our last break when we come back. Let's 717 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: stroll down memory lane, good old story time with Sterling. 718 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: Think of a question you can ask Tony. Maybe if Nate, 719 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: if Nata let you with the Game of Thrones, he 720 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: gonna tell us Tobert because you know this is a 721 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: little midget guy. I'm sorry, I take that back. He 722 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: was vertically challenged for correcting yourself. Nate will last break 723 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: when we come back. You're listening to Cowboys Cross Talk 724 00:45:31,120 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network to s WBC Mortgages. 725 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: Cowboys Cross Talk about broadcasting live from Dallas, Cowboys World 726 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Nate Newton in studio 727 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: with me in the s WBC Mortgage studio, and very 728 00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:01,760 Speaker 1: special guest Tony Tolbert s w BC Mortgage. These guys 729 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: right here the customized solutions to help you meet your 730 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,880 Speaker 1: personal and business goals. Do like Nate did during the 731 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: break and visit SWBC dot com for more and you 732 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,360 Speaker 1: might even be able to start an adventure. And speaking 733 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,760 Speaker 1: of adventures, before we get to you, Nate and Tony, Tony, 734 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm very interested to hear stories from you, Sterling. Would 735 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: you like to ask our distinguished guest Tony a question 736 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 1: I do. I would like to Sterling, and I want 737 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,759 Speaker 1: to know because when you first got here to the 738 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 1: Cowboys not necessarily the best of situations record wise, it 739 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: wasn't the quite the successful team. But at some point 740 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: there within the next few seasons, you guys changed into 741 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: a championship team that would go on to run. Was 742 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: there a moment that you started to notice in the 743 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 1: locker room or within yourself or within the team that 744 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,800 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, this is a team 745 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: here that we're going to be able to compete for 746 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: a championship and this is going to be the new 747 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: caliber that we're We're going to have to hold our 748 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: standards too. Oh um, Well, I could tell you this. 749 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,800 Speaker 1: The first year we were won in fifteen. Yeah, and 750 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,799 Speaker 1: when I got drafted, I was in the defensive a 751 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: meeting room with Ed Jones, jim Jeff Coo, I think 752 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: Mark whal and Danny Newton and in that locker in 753 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: that d line meeting room, Jimmy was slowly cutting some 754 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 1: of these guys and I was sitting and I was like, Okay, 755 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,160 Speaker 1: what the hell is grey happening here? In the middle 756 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,880 Speaker 1: of the year, he traded Herschel. Now at the time, 757 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, Troy was getting the crap beat out of him. 758 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: Herschel was basically our only offense. And when Herschel left, 759 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what the hell we're 760 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: gonna do. So we accumulated all these picks and we 761 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: drafted well, you know, and met some of the other guys. 762 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: The second year we played, I think we played maybe 763 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,959 Speaker 1: Arizona or Tampa Bay back to back like twice within 764 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 1: three weeks. We won two out of those games. We'll 765 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: be Tampa Bay twice and the guys started to come together. 766 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: We started getting guys off of waivers, and we started, 767 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, some of the young guys were starting to play. 768 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: And we could see, like through the experience basically baptism 769 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,880 Speaker 1: by fire, we could see some of the guys, you know, 770 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,759 Speaker 1: we were instead of losing games the way we did 771 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: one in fifteen years, we were starting to lose games, 772 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, differently, but it was closer. We had closed 773 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: the gap within a year. And so I'm sitting him, 774 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, we got a chance. I didn't 775 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: know it was going to turn out, you know, three 776 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,799 Speaker 1: Super Bowls and four years that kind of chance, and 777 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm thankful for it. But you can see the team 778 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,359 Speaker 1: starting to change. And what's interesting, a lot of people 779 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,560 Speaker 1: don't know when we won the fifteen and they could 780 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 1: tell you that we play Sunday on Monday, when we 781 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: wasn't on Monday. We play Sunday. Yeah, we have got Yeah, 782 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: we have thirty guys or forty guys outside the window 783 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,359 Speaker 1: working out on a Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday, he would 784 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 1: sign three or four those guys. They would play practice 785 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,359 Speaker 1: with us, play on Sunday and he would cut him 786 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,320 Speaker 1: and I'm you know, my first year in the NFL, 787 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a cutthroat sport. But I realized 788 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 1: what he was doing. He was trying to create an 789 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,600 Speaker 1: atmosphere where we had young guys. He could push us 790 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 1: as hard as he could and we would see some success. 791 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: And fortunate enough we did. That second year, we went 792 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 1: from I mean we went from one to fifteen to 793 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: seven and nine, I believe, and we were still in 794 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: it the last week when we even though Babe Laufenberg 795 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: was our quarterback at the time, we were still in 796 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,400 Speaker 1: itto the last two games, and um, you know the 797 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 1: next year it just carried over and they kept carrying over, 798 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 1: so we we we saw it. Yea he And I'm 799 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 1: gonna tell you something, h It just amazes me the 800 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: way the Sarah capp has got a lot of teams 801 00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,760 Speaker 1: strapped because the one though Sarah capped it was playing 802 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 1: B free agency and so the owners could spend what 803 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 1: they want. So I think miss Jones and did that 804 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 1: on purpose, like, you know what, man, we need to 805 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,520 Speaker 1: cap ourselves. They explain the plan U explained that Plan B. 806 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,720 Speaker 1: Because a lot of people don't know that past twenty 807 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 1: five man, you know what, what I really don't remember 808 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,640 Speaker 1: because I never got a chance to take advantage of it. 809 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,480 Speaker 1: It was thirty five guys they protected, yes, and then 810 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: I think it was like fifteen and the practice squad, 811 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,400 Speaker 1: and then like seven eight other guys they were allowed 812 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,920 Speaker 1: to sign with another team. Yes they were. And when 813 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,320 Speaker 1: they signed with another team, team, you were giving draft 814 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,440 Speaker 1: compensation for it. So that's what Plan B was. Yeah, 815 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you what's amazing about all of 816 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 1: that is the fact that, uh, the competition was always there. 817 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't no, it was no relaxing. You know. Jimmy. 818 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,000 Speaker 1: Jimmy would tell you I got the longest contract here. 819 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 1: So he would he would and he'd be like, you 820 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,400 Speaker 1: know what, and if he needed to make a sacrificial 821 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,440 Speaker 1: lamb of a guy, he didn't. He didn't care. He 822 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,840 Speaker 1: wanted you to know that it was a certain level 823 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: that we was gonna practice. We only practice, like I 824 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 1: tip me, we practiced an hour and a half hour 825 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,839 Speaker 1: and forty five minutes. Jimmy was like, Yeah, we're gonna hit, 826 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,520 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be only hour and forty five minutes. 827 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,319 Speaker 1: We didn't stand out here longer than that. But you're 828 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 1: gonna give me what you got, you know, and a 829 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,839 Speaker 1: couple of times he showed like maybe side practice over 830 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: with we're in the middle of seven or seven, just 831 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,879 Speaker 1: got we got ten plays to go against Ober. There's 832 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,239 Speaker 1: seven mean what it was seven or seven? Toba? Was it? Yeah? No? 833 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: And nine or nine, but they was allowed to have 834 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,400 Speaker 1: safety and so it was really eleven on nine and 835 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,840 Speaker 1: and we would be on it like the ninth play. 836 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 1: Oh this ain't this ain't working right. Oh, y'all, don't 837 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,920 Speaker 1: mess him too many? Play started over? May you talk 838 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 1: about knuckles bleeding, dudes hating each other each time? He's right, 839 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 1: we have about a minute. I think Nate did this 840 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,320 Speaker 1: on purpose. He kept talking so you wouldn't tell a story, 841 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,920 Speaker 1: tell us a quick Nate Newton's story. He don't have 842 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,239 Speaker 1: a little quick. Yeah I got. I mean the first 843 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,840 Speaker 1: time me and Nate went out one time and uh, 844 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,279 Speaker 1: you know, he was in between Luther Vandross and yell know, 845 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,239 Speaker 1: Luther Vandro's body and you know, this was Big Nate 846 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,800 Speaker 1: at the time. And so we drove to water Burger, 847 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,719 Speaker 1: Oh my god, and so Big Nate go through the 848 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: drive through. He's like, you know, I'm kind of hungry 849 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, you know, no problem, you know, 850 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:13,319 Speaker 1: we're good. He orders a triple cheeseburger with french, two 851 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: large fries, and a big ass diet coke. And I'm 852 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,640 Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm like, first of all, I didn't 853 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,799 Speaker 1: know Walter Burger served cheeseburger, so that was new to me. 854 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,160 Speaker 1: And then second I'm like, dude, you're gonna eat this 855 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 1: big old triple cheeseburger and two large fleet coke diet coke. 856 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: So he's like and then he looks at Me's like, 857 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,359 Speaker 1: do you want anything? I was like, no, I'm good, dog. 858 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate good man, appreciate it. Oh, fellas, this has 859 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,759 Speaker 1: been awesome. This has been so much fun. Nate, thank 860 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,640 Speaker 1: you for hanging out with me for an hour again 861 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: today and taking time out of your day, Sterling, pleasure 862 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,959 Speaker 1: hanging out with you for the last hour. Tony would 863 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 1: love to have you on the show again. Man, this 864 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,359 Speaker 1: has been great. Thank you guys so much. You've been 865 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,720 Speaker 1: listening to Cowboys cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio 866 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,760 Speaker 1: at work. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys 867 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,000 Speaker 1: dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football o'clock