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Speaker 1: we're gonna dive into Look, there's some reports of their
Speaker 1: Texas oclhome. We're gonna be joining the SEC, maybe sooner
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Speaker 1: break down how Ohio State will look to beat you
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Speaker 1: Jalen Hyatt leaving for the draft will not play in
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Speaker 1: get to all of it and more. All right, let's
Speaker 1: start though at the top the SEC. The rich get richer,
Speaker 1: as U Brettman Murphy is reporting that quote, there is
Speaker 1: a desire on many fronts for this to get done.
Speaker 1: This being Texas and know you joining the SEC in
Speaker 1: four rather than now, Brett, You're making commissioned a Big
Speaker 1: twelve has said that, uh, he is open to this,
Speaker 1: but that any deal first and foremost has to make
Speaker 1: sense for the Big twelve. What I realized and read
Speaker 1: about this and I didn't realize this, Cincinnati, U c F, Houston,
Speaker 1: and b Y you are all joining next year. That means,
Speaker 1: in a wonderful bit of college football absurdity, he will
Speaker 1: have the Big twelve go from ten teams to fourteen teams.
Speaker 1: They just can't get it right to the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: But they just can't find well, you know what. Look,
Speaker 1: maybe in a couple of years in win Ohio State
Speaker 1: or when Oklaman Texts joined, they will finally be back
Speaker 1: to twelve teams. But look, I'm a fan of this
Speaker 1: move happening in first and foremost because you got the
Speaker 1: expanded playoff coming. Then at least it looks like it
Speaker 1: will be. You have USC and U C, l A
Speaker 1: joining the Big ten four. So let's figure out a way.
Speaker 1: Let's come to the table, folks, Let's like get the
Speaker 1: deal done, and let's have just like a couple of
Speaker 1: years of stability in college football right where we make
Speaker 1: all these grand sweeping changes at once and then let's
Speaker 1: let it play out over a couple of years. I'm
Speaker 1: with you, man, let's just get it over with. Let's
Speaker 1: just let's just say this is what college football is
Speaker 1: gonna look like. I think the bigger question is is
Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma ready for the jump? I think financially
Speaker 1: they're they're they're excited, I mean, to make the jump
Speaker 1: to the SEC. We know the new package that ESPN
Speaker 1: is going to be paying the SEC to to have
Speaker 1: the rights to every single SEC game, whether you'll catch
Speaker 1: on ESPN, ABC, SEC network. So financially, hell, yeah, we
Speaker 1: want to go. But are you ready on the football
Speaker 1: field to take the step from from a game I
Speaker 1: think a quality conference, a conference that was I think
Speaker 1: very competitive this year, to the big boys, to the
Speaker 1: major leagues to essentially the next step to what what
Speaker 1: we watch on on Sunday with the NFL, like that
Speaker 1: is what the SEC is. And your Texas, your Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: You think you're the biggest, baddest dudes because you pick
Speaker 1: on Oklahoma State, because you pick on Texas Tech. Now
Speaker 1: are you ready to pick on Alabama? Are you ready
Speaker 1: to pick on Georgia and in Tennessee and l s U?
Speaker 1: Are you ready for that heat. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: ready for that, but yes, they want to get there.
Speaker 1: I think I think for them there there's a huge
Speaker 1: sales pitch too, kids in the state of Texas to
Speaker 1: kids on the West coast that Hey, you know, we're
Speaker 1: part of the i SEC. We're part of the best
Speaker 1: conference in America. We have more money than anyone else.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have the best facilities, We're gonna have the
Speaker 1: best this that we've got great n I L opportunities. Uh,
Speaker 1: the fans. Just being around Oklahoma fans and talking with
Speaker 1: buddies that go to Oklahoma, Uh that that that went
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma, they are some of the most passionate fans
Speaker 1: out there. And now they're supersited to join the best
Speaker 1: conference in America. So it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: But to think that those two schools, because of their history,
Speaker 1: are going to automatically jump into this conference and and
Speaker 1: have success to day one, that ain't gonna happen to you, Bob.
Speaker 1: I think you both, you and I both can agree
Speaker 1: on that one. It is going to take a couple
Speaker 1: of years and and and and more talented prospects through
Speaker 1: the portal and through through the high school ranks for
Speaker 1: them to be very competitive be in this league. What
Speaker 1: are we defining as success a playoff appearance in a
Speaker 1: twelve team playoff? Because I mean, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I don't see them something like passing up Kirby Smart
Speaker 1: and winning an SEC championship. But I don't. I mean, look, man, well, okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's get in it in terms of maybe who
Speaker 1: is better positioned to have success between the two, and
Speaker 1: then maybe we can get into this idea of Okay,
Speaker 1: now that we think the team is positioned better, how
Speaker 1: high can they go? Um? Because look at you look
Speaker 1: at Texas. Texas sem pretty ready to take on Alabama
Speaker 1: earlier this year. And that's the Texas team that, in theory,
Speaker 1: should only get better with another year under sark Um
Speaker 1: in terms of I think it's more prepared. I think
Speaker 1: this would be very easy just a year ago, if
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley was still at Oklahoma, it would be Oklahoma. Uh.
Speaker 1: With Brent Venables in Oklahoma, I think the answer is Texas.
Speaker 1: And I say this as someone who really doesn't believe
Speaker 1: in Steve Sarkisian, like I've been painfully clear about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just look at Oklahoma. The recent
Speaker 1: sample size does not make you feel very good. Like
Speaker 1: under Brent Venables, the defense remained just as bad as
Speaker 1: it always was under Lincoln Riley, and the offense got worse.
Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying that they were eight in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. Remember out of ten teams. Don't be
Speaker 1: confused by Big twelve. Eight in the Big Twelve and
Speaker 1: scoring defense ninth in total defense. Um, they were bad.
Speaker 1: They were really bad here in year one. Honestly though,
Speaker 1: Aaron more than anything, Well, I don't like Oklahoma going
Speaker 1: into the SEC. And it does trace back to Venables,
Speaker 1: but it traces back to that quote that Brent Venables
Speaker 1: had about being committed to Oklahoma when he was like,
Speaker 1: don't commit to Oklahoma unless you're committed, Like you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be allowed to take other visits. Like if you're committed,
Speaker 1: we want you all in, like we want you married,
Speaker 1: Like that's just being committed to don't commit here if
Speaker 1: you're not ready to actually abide by Ford and if
Speaker 1: you still want to go visit other place. And I
Speaker 1: understand what Vinables is getting at. And in a perfect
Speaker 1: world that would be the case. The guy commits and
Speaker 1: you can go ahead and essentially sign him that day
Speaker 1: and you no longer have to worry about etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And I understand, just with basic human empathy, why coach
Speaker 1: would want that to be the case. But the problem is,
Speaker 1: it feels at odds that quote does. It feels very
Speaker 1: out of touch to me with the current generation and
Speaker 1: the current reality of college football. And to me it
Speaker 1: shows someone who is pining for something unrealistic rather than
Speaker 1: the accepting the reality at hand and making no mistake
Speaker 1: the reality at hands, especially now with the Pearl. The
Speaker 1: reality is recruiting never ends. It's like Squints in the
Speaker 1: sand lot telling the story, you know, for Edber, you
Speaker 1: gotta suck these guys forever. Now. You're never off your
Speaker 1: knees because the second you get up, they end up
Speaker 1: going elsewhere. I don't care if their junior or senior
Speaker 1: or sophomore, because everybody has years of eligibility left and
Speaker 1: everybody can leave now. So maybe I'm reading too much
Speaker 1: into this. They do have a very good recruiting class
Speaker 1: right now. They're eight in the two four seven composit.
Speaker 1: But I don't feel good about Viniables. Oh you took
Speaker 1: a huge step back. I don't think there's any evidence
Speaker 1: it's gonna improve Underviniables. I say Texas is better suited
Speaker 1: than Oklahoma. Well, both have great recruiting class right now.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like on two four seven. At the moment,
Speaker 1: Texas number five, Oklahoma is number eight. I think that
Speaker 1: the interesting topic and this is gonna be something like, Okay,
Speaker 1: when you when you make the state the jump from
Speaker 1: your conference to the sec um, there is a level
Speaker 1: of expectation because there's already a level of expectation for
Speaker 1: those fan bases. Like let's let's be serious, Like Texas,
Speaker 1: Texas thinks that you know, they're fans that their ship.
Speaker 1: Don't think that they should be a team that that
Speaker 1: should be fighting for championships year in and and year out.
Speaker 1: That's just that's Texas football. Uh. They think they're the best.
Speaker 1: I think they're the best high schools. I think they're
Speaker 1: the best recruits, the best university, the tradition, all that.
Speaker 1: So they think that, okay, we are well equipped to
Speaker 1: make this step into the next to the big boy leagues.
Speaker 1: And same thing with Oklahoma a little bit as well.
Speaker 1: But if if, if, especially for Oklahoma, cause I don't
Speaker 1: anticipate Stark next year struggling and they could. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're losing your best running back in Bejan Robinson. Um
Speaker 1: your quarterback who we thought was was great to start
Speaker 1: the season off kind of was a hit or miss
Speaker 1: at the end of the season. I thought he probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't get benched. Hudson Card, Yeah, he was bad. Hudson
Speaker 1: Card is in the transfer portal. Right now, you do
Speaker 1: get a manning, But is he going to be ready
Speaker 1: as a true freshman to be the starter. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be ready, but I think that he
Speaker 1: may get every opportunity to win the starting job next year.
Speaker 1: But if Bow teams say say it happens, say boom,
Speaker 1: we come to something by the by this summertime, that's
Speaker 1: saying that Texas in Oklahoma will be making the official
Speaker 1: move to the I SEC come the following football season.
Speaker 1: Say Oklahoma goes seven five, Say Texas goes eight and
Speaker 1: four and in and not a real major improvement on
Speaker 1: either side of the football where it looks like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're we're ready to take that step. Does does either
Speaker 1: team make the move at the quarterback or excuse me,
Speaker 1: the head coaching position. I think that that's gonna be
Speaker 1: the big talking talking point. And this will be venable
Speaker 1: second season, this will be starks third season, still very
Speaker 1: very early in their tenure at those universities. But there
Speaker 1: is a a we don't want to get embarrassed type
Speaker 1: mentality of of when we do jump into the SEC timo,
Speaker 1: do you think that either team wouldn't make the move
Speaker 1: and decide to move on from their head coach at
Speaker 1: that point if if both seasons are or average to
Speaker 1: below average next season, yeah, you're saying if they gave
Speaker 1: him two years, absolutely, I mean that would be that
Speaker 1: would be a more than large enough sample size with
Speaker 1: Steve Sarkesian and unfortunately for Brandon Venables the panic created
Speaker 1: by this year. Although look, I think Oklahome and fans
Speaker 1: are doing a lot of mental gymnastics to kind of
Speaker 1: explain it away and rightfully so it's year number one. Okay,
Speaker 1: relatively small sample size, give them a little time. Though, Again,
Speaker 1: in this new age of college football, I think it's
Speaker 1: fair to also have an expectation of things turning around
Speaker 1: faster because we've seen multiple examples of it get success.
Speaker 1: Who's that Lincoln Riley exactly exactly right? So so we
Speaker 1: have that. We have melt Tucker of a year ago.
Speaker 1: We have Brian Kelly winning the West with a group
Speaker 1: that had thirty nine available players for a ballgame, right like,
Speaker 1: so it can happen emelily. It didn't have her brand,
Speaker 1: But I'm still I'm not willing to say that he
Speaker 1: can't turn around, But I am not. You know that
Speaker 1: it is possible, but I don't. I just don't think
Speaker 1: he's the guy. I don't think Steve Sarkesians maybe the guy,
Speaker 1: but I think he's more of the guy than Venables is.
Speaker 1: And I get a big Red is saying in the
Speaker 1: chat Big Red two for three um talked about Vinables
Speaker 1: getting an All American in the portal yesterday, getting approved
Speaker 1: for new facilities. They do have a very good recruiting
Speaker 1: class this year. Maybe I'm completely misreading the room. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm completely wrong on brand Venables. Again, I just don't know.
Speaker 1: There is no former resume, no head coach at a
Speaker 1: smaller school. Uh, nothing like that to pull from. We
Speaker 1: have someone who has been under Dabbo's wing forever and
Speaker 1: is now out on his own, and he had a
Speaker 1: really bad year one. But again, everything else looks good
Speaker 1: like on on off the football field. So maybe he
Speaker 1: is the guy. I still think Texas seems a bit
Speaker 1: better suited. Which is you know, look, I think from
Speaker 1: just a pure brand in football history standpoint, Oklahoma is
Speaker 1: unquestionably the better school. Um, So if Venables is the
Speaker 1: guy that I'm going to be wildly wrong there. Look
Speaker 1: at look at look like national championships, Heisman winners. Yes,
Speaker 1: but if you go ask any recruit in America, whether college, transfer, portal,
Speaker 1: or or just a high school kid, what's the more
Speaker 1: recognizable brand? It's still Texas. Texas is still the bigger brand.
Speaker 1: Why Oklahoma may have more this or that, it's still okay?
Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't, Maybe I shouldn't include a brand in
Speaker 1: there more, maybe maybe a foot ball success history, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: has had vastly more football success than has h We
Speaker 1: have been tricked. We have all been tricked into the Texas. Yes,
Speaker 1: we have all been tricked into this Texas. Brandon I
Speaker 1: a few times this year have jumped onto this Texas
Speaker 1: is back and we've done it year after year, if
Speaker 1: a year, And yes, they've had a couple of good
Speaker 1: years here there. And yes, for those fans that want
Speaker 1: to hate on me, and Georgia. That's they did beat
Speaker 1: us in the Circar Bowl. Um. But we will always
Speaker 1: be tricked because it's Texas, because we we we we
Speaker 1: see the bird orange, we see um, the talent that's
Speaker 1: coming out of the state, we see the resources that
Speaker 1: they have, we see the money that has put into it,
Speaker 1: and we automatically think, Oh, it's Texas, they have to
Speaker 1: be good, or oh it's Texas. They have ce s
Speaker 1: our Kesian. They're gonna get better. Oh i'f they gotta Manning,
Speaker 1: They're gonna get better. We keep finding ways to try
Speaker 1: and bring Texas football back when they haven't been back
Speaker 1: in a long damn time. They haven't been back since
Speaker 1: since Colt McCoy walked off that campus back in what
Speaker 1: two eight, since he got knocked out of the game
Speaker 1: National Championship game versus Alabama, Texas has been very irrelevant.
Speaker 1: They've had a season or two where there, but the
Speaker 1: consistency level has not been We keep trying to force
Speaker 1: this subject and I don't know if it's gonna happen
Speaker 1: anytime soon. And I don't know what's gonna that if
Speaker 1: you just insert a Manning that all of a sudden
Speaker 1: poof magic is gonna occur that this team is gonna
Speaker 1: obviously all of a sudden gonna have success. I think
Speaker 1: they're going to be joining a conference where I will
Speaker 1: say this, George's well positioned much more the Texas is
Speaker 1: to win a championship. Alabama still is positioned way more
Speaker 1: UH to have success and win a nationampionship. With with
Speaker 1: with Nick Sabans salt the helm, I would say, l
Speaker 1: s U, your boys are more positioned with with owning
Speaker 1: the state of Louisiana to have success. And when let's
Speaker 1: not forget like in the state of Texas, you know,
Speaker 1: with how bad it is and how stinky it is
Speaker 1: right now at Texas and then with Jimbo, they're still
Speaker 1: recruiting pretty well. They just gotta five star commit the
Speaker 1: other day. They're gonna be fine. You still have to
Speaker 1: to to buy that state up pretty well. Where I know, Louisiana,
Speaker 1: if you're a top recruit, you're gonna go to LSU.
Speaker 1: If you're a top recruit in the state of Georgia,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to Georgia your stop. Top recruit in
Speaker 1: the state of Alabama, most likely you're going to go
Speaker 1: to Alabama. UM, I just don't think Texas when they
Speaker 1: joined the Big Boys. Yeah, I just don't think Texas
Speaker 1: when they joined the Big Boys are going to have
Speaker 1: the same sort of talent that those other schools have
Speaker 1: that I just mentioned in your own conference. In your
Speaker 1: own conference, Um, I'm proud of your own You passed
Speaker 1: the test, right, I laid the Texas trap out for you,
Speaker 1: and you passed the test. Earlier this season, we decided
Speaker 1: that we're gonna tattoo never again with Texas. Well, I
Speaker 1: go to kick up foot, but I will never get
Speaker 1: lucied again into this thing. And you passed the test. Uh.
Speaker 1: That said, when I say I think Texas is better
Speaker 1: position than O you right now, I am with you overall.
Speaker 1: I don't think there are any threat to the greater
Speaker 1: SEC power structure. I I still think I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: to have to wait and have that proven to me
Speaker 1: before I give them the benefit of the doubt. I
Speaker 1: guess just somewhere along thing, I became a huge providables
Speaker 1: hater and I'm sorry, Big Red. Maybe maybe I end
Speaker 1: up maybe end up being wrong. Um Hey guys, Okay,
Speaker 1: First off, Zoobie Woom Woom, that's funny name. Zoobie one
Speaker 1: one in the chat. We did not skip Mike Leach.
Speaker 1: Uh two shows in a row. We did a show
Speaker 1: yesterday all about him. You go check it out. It
Speaker 1: was very fun, very cathartic in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: And the bottom line, we do want to mention Mike
Speaker 1: Leach today. Put Mike Leach in the Hall of Fame. Okay,
Speaker 1: he has a fifty nine point six career win percentage.
Speaker 1: The requirement is Mike Leach coach at schools that were
Speaker 1: traditionally awful. It would be the height of absurdity and
Speaker 1: commitment to ridiculous technicality if you were not going to
Speaker 1: put a man who had such a massive imprint on
Speaker 1: the day, on on this current era of college football
Speaker 1: in to the Hall of Fame. So so, as far
Speaker 1: as it Mike Leach conversation today, absolutely, somebody so deeply
Speaker 1: touched and transformed this game needs to be celebrated for
Speaker 1: all time by being enshrined in those immortal halls. He
Speaker 1: essentially him and Mummy created a brand new offense that
Speaker 1: has changed the game of football. I mean I was
Speaker 1: just on the coaches call. I I have you know,
Speaker 1: I have the FCS semifinal game um this week at
Speaker 1: North Dakota State versus Incarnate Word and and just talking
Speaker 1: with Incarnate Word and their their coach and what they run.
Speaker 1: A lot of it is is based on he said,
Speaker 1: offense is based on what we've seen from the air
Speaker 1: raid offenses. These vertical option concepts that we see when
Speaker 1: we watch the tape. There it is. It is. It
Speaker 1: is every offensive days. If you turn on the tape
Speaker 1: and you watch spread offenses. There's a lot of confidence.
Speaker 1: Are concepts, excuse me, in ways that people run certain
Speaker 1: routes and the options they give receivers and quarterbacks to
Speaker 1: kind of freelance a little bit at times goes back
Speaker 1: in stints from what Mike Leach started and what he's
Speaker 1: made popular. So yes, a man that has had that
Speaker 1: much success in places like Texas Tech and and and
Speaker 1: Washington State in Mississippi State and won the games that
Speaker 1: he won and then hass has changed and is touched.
Speaker 1: I would say seventy of offenses if not more, right
Speaker 1: now in college football that have a little piece of
Speaker 1: what he does, deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I really disagree with this idea that Bilbo says air
Speaker 1: rate is a gimmick, but um, I don't know that
Speaker 1: I want the show to get taken over by that.
Speaker 1: So we can have that conversation. Other day, brom I
Speaker 1: got a quick question, Um, you know, I just had
Speaker 1: a kid. Sometimes life can feel like a bit of
Speaker 1: a fever dream with kind of lack of sleep and everything.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we talked about it. Is there
Speaker 1: a report that Bobby Petrino is going to be the
Speaker 1: Texas A and MC is this happening that that is
Speaker 1: not There was a report that that was going to happen.
Speaker 1: There's no like confirmation on that, like that is not confirmed.
Speaker 1: But there was a report that was Monday, Like I
Speaker 1: think it was last Monday. We did it last week
Speaker 1: O God talked. No, we never talked about it. But
Speaker 1: we talked about was the fact that for Christmas they
Speaker 1: should get Dan Molinas or new O C. But we
Speaker 1: did not talk about the motorcycle things that could happen
Speaker 1: over I think it happened over the weekend, and we
Speaker 1: never talked about motorcycle. Man, It's almost like it's almost
Speaker 1: like A and M kind of saw Auburn and was
Speaker 1: like okay, okay, okay, let's see Oh I'll see your
Speaker 1: Hugh freezing. I'll raise you like at a time with
Speaker 1: like you said, Texas feels kind of so exciting. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna bring Bobby Petrino in as the crown jewel
Speaker 1: to attract those kids. Man, I I think that's wild. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's get to the Peach Bowl as your bulldogs gonna
Speaker 1: be taken on. Uh the Ohio State buck Eyes. Just
Speaker 1: a beautiful chef's kiss of a one four matchup. But
Speaker 1: here's the deal, Aaron. We all know that it's likely
Speaker 1: that Georgia dominates this game at least a lot of
Speaker 1: transitive sports properties maybe lean towards that. But if you
Speaker 1: were to create a path for Ohio State, you who
Speaker 1: know this Georgia team so well, what does a path
Speaker 1: look like like when you lay your tiny little doggie
Speaker 1: head a bed at night and your dreaming of chasing
Speaker 1: down cars and chewing on milk bones? What fears creep
Speaker 1: in to those dreams? Well? I think for them, and
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate Henderson is now out for the game. He's
Speaker 1: gonna have surgery trivia on Henderson when they're they're they're
Speaker 1: top running backs. Um, I think this is a game
Speaker 1: where you want to do things. Run the football and
Speaker 1: then be able to stop the run, and and and
Speaker 1: and I say run the football and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: well they filled the ball so well, and that c. J.
Speaker 1: Stroud and they got Marvin Harrison Jr. Why not attack
Speaker 1: Georgia who struggles against the past. He saw it. Rsel sue,
Speaker 1: we saw it last year first Alabama. But you have
Speaker 1: to be able to set that up. The problem is
Speaker 1: if you can't run the football and Georgia just plays
Speaker 1: too high and keeps Chris Smith back and starts back
Speaker 1: and and is able to to essentially give some support
Speaker 1: to Keiley and to two Maori Last on the outside,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. Like it is not easy. As
Speaker 1: a former quarterback, it is not easy to throw the
Speaker 1: football versus cover two. It sucks. There's not a lot
Speaker 1: of holes out there when it's covered two and there's
Speaker 1: a six man box. What do you wanna do? They
Speaker 1: want to run the football. You want to invite a
Speaker 1: safety to have to come into the box. So so
Speaker 1: for Ohio State that the goal shouldn't be let's go
Speaker 1: out there and start throwing the ball down the field.
Speaker 1: And let's go out there and attack these corners and
Speaker 1: throwing go balls and post routes and corners and all that. Yes,
Speaker 1: you want to eventually do that, but just like any
Speaker 1: good offense, you have to set it up. You have
Speaker 1: to find a way to get the safety in the box.
Speaker 1: You have to find a way to get one on
Speaker 1: one coverage. So I think for Ohio State, it's can
Speaker 1: we run the football? And and like I said, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a massive loss. Knowing that one of your
Speaker 1: top running backs would not be in this game. I
Speaker 1: think that really hurts start chances of having consistent success
Speaker 1: against this defense. If you're gonna be one dimension against Georgia,
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's passed or run, you're going
Speaker 1: to have issues. So, um, run the football, Run the football,
Speaker 1: run the football, find a way to get someone on
Speaker 1: one opportunities. And then when you do get those opportunities,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said before the LSU game, you
Speaker 1: gotta take your shot. You can't be afraid if you
Speaker 1: as soon as you get anywhere near the fifty to
Speaker 1: just dial it up. If you say, okay, man, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of feeling that that that Kirbie Sparts gonna dial
Speaker 1: up some sort of pressure or single high coverage. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna go for it. We're gonna say if it
Speaker 1: we're going balls to the wall, you have to take Yeah,
Speaker 1: Garretts are like, there's there's we gotta take our shots.
Speaker 1: And then on the defenside of the football, it's simple.
Speaker 1: It's obviously easier said than done. But you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta stop Brock Powers, stop Rock, stop Brock, stop Dardnell
Speaker 1: and and and and four steps into in the football
Speaker 1: game by throwing to a d Mitchell and Laddin mcconky
Speaker 1: uh and then same thing like I thought about, like
Speaker 1: can you run the football, can you also stop the run?
Speaker 1: They did a great job in the first half first Michigan,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of left their guys on an aisland
Speaker 1: the back end and that hurt them. But they've shown
Speaker 1: the ability here there to slow down a running game.
Speaker 1: Can you put the game into Stetson's hands. Can you
Speaker 1: force Stetson to go out there and be the milkman,
Speaker 1: the mailman, whatever you want to call him, be a
Speaker 1: a Heisman finalist type football player. That's what I would do.
Speaker 1: I would still say, Okay, if we're gonna lose the game,
Speaker 1: we're going to force stets in the throw for three
Speaker 1: or four touchdowns, and then we're gonna find a way
Speaker 1: to run the football on our side as well. What
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Okay, So I've got a few questions, and yes,
Speaker 1: I do agree with you in terms of Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Obviously gotta find ways off the tight ends. Uh. But
Speaker 1: I think the great mistake that Ohio State made against
Speaker 1: Michigan was even though they gave up the big plays
Speaker 1: to McCarthy, uh, it kind of caused him to them
Speaker 1: start playing more coverage and the run game started hit.
Speaker 1: Like I think the Ohouse State should have said effort
Speaker 1: and just kept going one on one. We're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make McCarthy keep doing this. I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: him keep hitting big plays with me throughout this game.
Speaker 1: The problem is George is probably a bit better, but like,
Speaker 1: I trust Stetson way more. Uh in that situation to
Speaker 1: win that game. Um. Cody Burnet says, L S. You
Speaker 1: have like forty rushing yards and through for five hundred.
Speaker 1: They didn't set up anything. I guess the easy count
Speaker 1: argument there, Cody would be but they lost by Uh
Speaker 1: so you put up number, but contextually, yeah, contextually they
Speaker 1: were empty numbers. Where I don't mind if you're putting
Speaker 1: up stats if you're not going to actually have a
Speaker 1: chance of winning the games. Return of the Jedi Ruster
Speaker 1: Rusty Spooner says, let's go buck Eyes. Georgia thinks they
Speaker 1: got this in the bag. L M f A. Oh
Speaker 1: last time, my Buckeyes right number four, we won the
Speaker 1: national championship. Marvis and Harrison Jr. And Smith are gonna
Speaker 1: give the A T L Puppies a reality check. Oh
Speaker 1: give him clause tram Dog. Yeah, you know what I
Speaker 1: am hoping if I'm an Ohio State player. Uh, I'm
Speaker 1: hoping for a good turnout. I think that's still the
Speaker 1: one thing that still amazes me when I go back
Speaker 1: and think about the sechhip game. It was. It was
Speaker 1: eight to twenty. It was and we world. Does that
Speaker 1: amaze you? Why should the poorest citizen of the one
Speaker 1: of the poorest states in the country, Louisiana, it'spend their
Speaker 1: hard earned money watching that ship show that was out
Speaker 1: to happen, like l s U did not stand a
Speaker 1: chance and it was t Bob, it was. It was competitive.
Speaker 1: It was competitive early. They look good at times. And
Speaker 1: you can't tell me as a player when you go
Speaker 1: into a supposed neutral sighting, Yes, you understand it. Heading
Speaker 1: in like, okay, we're in the state of Georgia. More
Speaker 1: Georgia fans. Okay, I'm explaining my point. It's going to
Speaker 1: be more Georgia fans. But it shouldn't be eight to twenty.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be nine to ten. Red and Black essentially
Speaker 1: owning the stadium, and it feeling like it was a
Speaker 1: game played in Sanford, not in Mercedes ben Stadium. First off,
Speaker 1: Atlanta is Sanford for Georgia. You can drive there, and
Speaker 1: I mean Athens is an hour away. Um. Secondly, I
Speaker 1: would have been interesting where the numbers had been had
Speaker 1: l s U like come out and kicked A and
Speaker 1: M's ass. Right, But make no mistake, this is why
Speaker 1: the at M game mattered so much to ELG. You
Speaker 1: completely inflated the fan base, took away any playoff hope.
Speaker 1: Like it felt just shitty and made you realize, Okay, no,
Speaker 1: we don't have a chance like you Georgia all that.
Speaker 1: Like Ohio State should show up much better Ohio State
Speaker 1: fan even though again they're at a huge geographic disadvantage
Speaker 1: though it's a four seat I think that's you know,
Speaker 1: well deserved. UM State fans should show up and travel
Speaker 1: better than LSU fans did you would hope? So, you know,
Speaker 1: but like we talked about it, like what what what
Speaker 1: would you rather go to if an LSU fan? Would
Speaker 1: you really go to an SEC championship game? A a
Speaker 1: chance to support your team? Maybe get a banner? Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's not forget like you think like bowl,
Speaker 1: I go to Orlando, dude, but I love Theme Parks.
Speaker 1: I get, I get. I get the fact that that
Speaker 1: you lost A and M and the wind was knocked
Speaker 1: out of your sales but you still beat Alabama, so
Speaker 1: like it it wants to beat Alabama, and that and
Speaker 1: that and that adrenaline in the stadium, in the excitement
Speaker 1: around L s U football, and and and in the
Speaker 1: belief and Brian Kelly and what you're building. Why would
Speaker 1: you not give them an opportunity verse Georgia? If you
Speaker 1: still put Alabama George on the same pet sold, why
Speaker 1: would you not give them an opportunity for U G
Speaker 1: A and and at least show up to the game
Speaker 1: and make it a little bit more of a a
Speaker 1: hey man, we're here to support our boys. Like it's
Speaker 1: it was the real depressed look at that stadium. You
Speaker 1: have sidetracked this conversation. Um, but Alabama and Georgia are
Speaker 1: not not this year. They they are overall program wise,
Speaker 1: but they are not on the same level this year. Like,
Speaker 1: what's a bigger win? What? What's what? What would Alabama
Speaker 1: with L s U fans not not saying they would
Speaker 1: definitely choose choose Alabama. I'm not saying one is for
Speaker 1: an SC championship game, but you would choose Alabama. That
Speaker 1: to me, that to me, that's a bigger win for them.
Speaker 1: So but this goes this Wilso go back like this
Speaker 1: does go back to the fact that what do Ohio
Speaker 1: say fans Field right now? Like we we we got
Speaker 1: our butts who by Michigan. Georgia beat the living crap
Speaker 1: out of Michigan last year, and yes it's a new season,
Speaker 1: but we do view Georgia as the better version of Michigan.
Speaker 1: Do we want to waste our hard earned money to
Speaker 1: go down to Atlanta? We don't have are one of
Speaker 1: our best receivers, we don't have one of our best
Speaker 1: running backs. Our defense isn't as good as we thought
Speaker 1: it would be. Why do we want to go down
Speaker 1: to Atlanta to go witness a massacre? There? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: what different it? Don't look at Jedi. Go look at
Speaker 1: our boy Jedi. Rusty Spooner in the chat, he doesn't
Speaker 1: feel that way, he says, Tommy Eikenberg's about to show
Speaker 1: you what are our linebackers are really like? Like, well,
Speaker 1: how does State fans don't think they're bad? Well? How
Speaker 1: does State fans think they just had a bad day
Speaker 1: against Michigan? How does State fans have lost like five
Speaker 1: games in like five years? Uh? They have NFL talent
Speaker 1: all over the field, they are as talented or you know,
Speaker 1: one A, one B. Maybe with Georgia in terms of
Speaker 1: NFL town So I I don't think the similarities between
Speaker 1: where the l shoot fan base confidence was in their
Speaker 1: how state fan based confidence was is similar at all.
Speaker 1: How do State fidence are like they have one man,
Speaker 1: they feel like they belonged in the playoff they didn't
Speaker 1: get lucky to make the playoffs? How State n seel
Speaker 1: like this is their birthright and now that they got
Speaker 1: back in that they're about to make a run and
Speaker 1: win a national championship allah the last time that they
Speaker 1: got in as the four seats. So I think I think,
Speaker 1: oh House State fans will travel well. Unfortunately, all the
Speaker 1: fans in the world probably doesn't prepare you for beating
Speaker 1: a U G a team that has proven to be
Speaker 1: all but unbeatable when they give you uh, when they
Speaker 1: fully focus their what do you take it right now?
Speaker 1: So Georgia at the moment a six and a half
Speaker 1: point favorite, I'm kind of I would kind of lean
Speaker 1: towards Georgia with the points here. Six and a half
Speaker 1: is not as big as I thought that would be.
Speaker 1: I would need I find it so hard to trust
Speaker 1: Ryan Day. I mean in a game like this where
Speaker 1: House states maybe a bed room matchup because their skill
Speaker 1: positions and NFL talent cans around to the equal Like
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of NFL guys on the Ohao State
Speaker 1: oh line and try to block Jall and Carter and company.
Speaker 1: Like I should take Ohio, stay with the six and
Speaker 1: a half. But I just don't know if I trust
Speaker 1: Ryan Dame Big games, Yeah, I trust I trust Kirby
Speaker 1: uh and that defensive staff with with more time to prepare,
Speaker 1: to get ready to slow down that offense, especially without
Speaker 1: the running game, especially with with you know your your
Speaker 1: top receiver not coming back. Um, so I do dry
Speaker 1: to me when I look at it, so that that's
Speaker 1: a sixth a half point spread TCU Michigan to the
Speaker 1: seven a half points spread, I think that game is
Speaker 1: going to be closer of a football game. I think
Speaker 1: TCU is good enough to win that football game. I
Speaker 1: really do. The more that I've gone back and watch
Speaker 1: CCU this year, the more that I've gone back and
Speaker 1: watch Michigan, I think that is a a extremely competitive
Speaker 1: four quarter football game. And if if you tell me
Speaker 1: that's a four quarter game, and and and it's a
Speaker 1: close game. I think TCU has the ability to win
Speaker 1: that football game as well. I don't think I would
Speaker 1: say it has a shot to be Georgia. I really don't.
Speaker 1: I just gave every you know, all the reasons why
Speaker 1: or or what Ohio State needs to do in order
Speaker 1: to win. I don't think that happens. I don't think
Speaker 1: they find a way to run the football. I think
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter and that defense will stop them once again.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be have enough success on first
Speaker 1: and second down to play a little bit more too
Speaker 1: high safeties and then still be able to get after C. J. Stroud.
Speaker 1: And then on the other side, I think Georgia will
Speaker 1: be able to run the football against this offense and
Speaker 1: our defense. For Ohio State, I think they will be
Speaker 1: able to. They're just they're better. Just straight up, Georgia
Speaker 1: is the better football team. I think TCU with their
Speaker 1: improvements on defense, and I think with with with Dugan
Speaker 1: and and and and the receiver and all that, I
Speaker 1: think I still don't know how good Michigan is. They
Speaker 1: look great for so Ohio State. I get that, but
Speaker 1: I just have seen too many instances this year where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't trust J. J. McCarthy. Still I
Speaker 1: do not trust J J. No, I agree, I agree
Speaker 1: that And the last thing I said, because we gotta
Speaker 1: move on in Tennessee, um bilbo bag and say in
Speaker 1: how they play their playoff game against Michigan and exposed
Speaker 1: again y'all. Like I loved doing the Michigan Ohio State
Speaker 1: postgame show, it was fascinating. We do have to remember
Speaker 1: this was a one game sample size, Like we're making
Speaker 1: a lot of decorative statements over one game sample size,
Speaker 1: and he gets it. It's all we have to draw
Speaker 1: on in Michigan Georgia are similar in styles, but also
Speaker 1: it means that all Ohio State has worked on since
Speaker 1: that game is how does this not happen again? Which
Speaker 1: would also in theory prepare them maybe for Georgia, though
Speaker 1: George's offense is something completely different than Michigan's. Andy J
Speaker 1: says thoughts on a ballgame in Mexico like the Patrone Classic,
Speaker 1: we need more vacation destination balls and get rid of
Speaker 1: the Burmingham balls. W I don't think you need to
Speaker 1: get rid of Burmanham balls. I love a good small
Speaker 1: town bowl, but I mean, HI love tequila. I love mescal.
Speaker 1: I love Mexican beaches, I love Margarita's, I love Mexican cuisine,
Speaker 1: I love Mexican men, I love Mexican women. I love
Speaker 1: everything about Mexico. So you don't have to tell me twice.
Speaker 1: I would absolutely go insane for a Mexican ball game.
Speaker 1: It would be awesome. These things are something. Um, let's
Speaker 1: do Tennessee. Will Tennessee b one hit? Wonder? Uh? That
Speaker 1: is the question. Is Jalen Hyatt, the Rainy Blitnikoff winner,
Speaker 1: has declared for the NFL. He was skipped the ball
Speaker 1: May game. That means Tillman's out. Hookers out there all gone. Um.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of this conversation, Aaron, first off, what
Speaker 1: is the base on Let's say, to basine, what is
Speaker 1: success now for Tennessee coming off of a tin win year,
Speaker 1: like like, like, what is what is the number of
Speaker 1: expectations like this a good year? Mm hmm. I think
Speaker 1: that I think they are at the point of I
Speaker 1: think a lot of fans will say this. Nine. I
Speaker 1: think nine. I think I think they I am completely nine. Three.
Speaker 1: I think I think nine and three is the worst
Speaker 1: that hypel can do without stirring the pot and getting
Speaker 1: fans piste off. I think I think that's that's where
Speaker 1: they are. You know, you win seven games last year,
Speaker 1: you jumped to ten this year. Um, I wish higher
Speaker 1: it was playing. I think they're gonna beat Clemson. I
Speaker 1: think they're there. I think they still will. You know,
Speaker 1: Clemson is also having a couple of guys on the
Speaker 1: defensive line opt out of this game. Um, I think
Speaker 1: they win. I think they do get to eleven wins,
Speaker 1: but I think nine is now the bottom. Like you
Speaker 1: have to win at least nine games per year, and
Speaker 1: I do think they're talented enough to do it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I call me crazy. You know, I've watched
Speaker 1: every game from Joe Milton a year ago when when
Speaker 1: he was a starter before Henning took over, he was
Speaker 1: wildly erratic with the football, couldn't hit guys down the
Speaker 1: field that were wide open. I go back to Pittsburgh game.
Speaker 1: But what he's done this season when he's coming there
Speaker 1: in trash time and what he looked like last week
Speaker 1: has been really impressive. And the more you talk to
Speaker 1: the staff, um, they just can't rave enough about how
Speaker 1: much he is matured as a quarterback this season with
Speaker 1: with hennon As being that guy in the locker room
Speaker 1: their roommates. So I do think you will see much
Speaker 1: improved Joe Milton next season. They got a top quarterback
Speaker 1: coming in from the state of California. They got another
Speaker 1: good quarterback, tav And Jackson the roster already. So as
Speaker 1: we know, in this offense with what Hypel does, if
Speaker 1: you have a quarterback, you're gonna have success. You can
Speaker 1: get receivers. This offense will attract top receivers from across
Speaker 1: the country. Again, they will be able to hand pick
Speaker 1: guys from the portals say okay, we need you want
Speaker 1: to go win. They just won their receiver Jane Not
Speaker 1: just won the award for best receiver in the country.
Speaker 1: That goes a long way in this offense. I get
Speaker 1: to go to Tennessee. I get to go make a
Speaker 1: ton of money. They're they're collectives doing a great job.
Speaker 1: They're paying that quarterback eight million dollars over four years,
Speaker 1: Like you know, they got money to spend. I get
Speaker 1: to play in the SEC. I get to play in
Speaker 1: this offense, and I have a chance to get stupid
Speaker 1: numbers like Jalen just produced this season. So Uh. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I think as long as you have a quarterback,
Speaker 1: which their stockpiling quarterbacks right now. As long as you
Speaker 1: have a guy back there, receivers will come and and
Speaker 1: the offense will continue to excel in it. For offenses
Speaker 1: scoring points per game, you're going to win nine plus
Speaker 1: games per season. So I have ultimate faith in what
Speaker 1: hype is building right now. Uh, I agree, um on
Speaker 1: all accounts. Really you it's funny because you're almost like,
Speaker 1: it's almost like you've read my notes, but I know
Speaker 1: you didn't because you don't have to even have access
Speaker 1: to them, and you want it anyway even if you did. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he mobilized a fan base that already has
Speaker 1: cultish buy and they got money to spend. Uh. Neil
Speaker 1: And Stadium is one of the best environments in all
Speaker 1: of college football. And although like Tennessee is a state
Speaker 1: doesn't produce a ton of talent geographically, they're close enough
Speaker 1: to everything where they can go grab guys and they're
Speaker 1: pretty alluring. Like you want to throw deep balls, you
Speaker 1: want to like have big plays because big touchdowns. You
Speaker 1: want to play in front of a hundred thousand to
Speaker 1: make some money. Tennessee is they're looking at the current
Speaker 1: recruiting rankings, they're nine in the two works seven composit
Speaker 1: right now. And look, I don't care about individual recruits
Speaker 1: because they go boom or bust all the time, but
Speaker 1: on the macro recruiting rankings matter. It's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why I'm so down on Tennessee in Oklahoma is
Speaker 1: that even despite having years in you excuse me, Texas
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma is despite having years and years of good
Speaker 1: team rankings, they have underperformed relatives of their talent. And
Speaker 1: a Big twelve conference that does not have nearly as
Speaker 1: much talent as they have in a SEA, on the
Speaker 1: other hand, has overperformed under hypel. So what happens and
Speaker 1: when you give him better talent, that ceiling has to
Speaker 1: go up. Um. And if you want to know why
Speaker 1: the SEC is so good, if you count Oklahoma texts
Speaker 1: in there right now, Tennessee's ninth in the country, sixth
Speaker 1: in the SEC, fourth without that, uh, without exactly That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yes, it's going great. Also, And look,
Speaker 1: I think the hypel creates schematic advantages like you said,
Speaker 1: that can carry over to multiple generations of personnel. And sure,
Speaker 1: maybe Hooker is like a peak and you got to
Speaker 1: go through a bit of a value before you hit
Speaker 1: on that quarterback again. But I don't think the valley
Speaker 1: will be that low. I think Hype Systems has still
Speaker 1: kind of raised the floor and the Nicholas, Yeah, looking
Speaker 1: at the quarterback he's had, like, yes, Hended maybe the best,
Speaker 1: But I mean go back to like what Dylan Gabriel
Speaker 1: was doing there at UCF, like his off into system.
Speaker 1: And I'm once I'm not taking any anything away from
Speaker 1: the play of hend and Hooker or or Dylan Gabriel,
Speaker 1: but there are certain systems that are just extremely quarterback friendly,
Speaker 1: um that you know you're gonna have success and put
Speaker 1: up crazy stats, and this is just one of them.
Speaker 1: Is this an offense? This is a football team that
Speaker 1: that that that can win championships? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it is in an as in an offense just like
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley that runs at USC that that Bode's wall
Speaker 1: if you want to go win a national or not.
Speaker 1: When when a Heisman, when individual awards have put up
Speaker 1: crazy numbers, Yes, So what does that do That's going
Speaker 1: to attract top talent across the country to come to Knoxville. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm excited see what Joe Milton can do, Like in
Speaker 1: an era where it's so easy to just dart and
Speaker 1: and and and in an age where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've lost my starting job. I'm gonna be a little
Speaker 1: salty bitch and leave. He did it, he stayed. I
Speaker 1: know you love when I say that. Uh, he stays.
Speaker 1: It makes me so happy every time. And it makes
Speaker 1: me happy that Joe Milton state matured, waited his turn out,
Speaker 1: and it's a better person and a better quarterback at
Speaker 1: the A day for it. Well, uh hey, well okay, Brom,
Speaker 1: you know I'm I'm I'm getting there. Don't worry. Um.
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