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Just outside a women's 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: healthcare clinic in Atlanta, protesters with megaphones and handmade signs 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: line the sidewalk. 21 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 3: From the power of this. 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 4: Turn away from your hand. 23 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: As the sun slowly climbs. Its dusty light illuminates one 24 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: of the handwritten messages of the protesters. Babies are murdered here, 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: It says, Jesus. 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: Said, why do you call me Lord and not do 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: the things I say? 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: So, Jesus said, go and send no more. 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: One by one, cars entering the clinic are met with 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: shouting and a warning. Patients are instructed drive straight past 31 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: the protesters. Do not stop. 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 5: You tell the guests they're going to be protests at 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 5: the bottom of the hill. 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 2: Don't stop. 35 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 5: Drive past that. 36 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: Some patients come with a loved one or a friend. 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: Some come alone. The yelling follows them from the car 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: all the way to the entrance of the clinic, but 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: once they reach the front door, the energy shifts. 40 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 5: When I'm up at the top of the hill, you know, 41 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 5: before I send them in to check in at the desk, 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 5: I say to them, you're safe. 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: At the center of it all is Tracy, the head 44 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: security guard. Tracy's message to the patients is quite contrasting 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 2: with the yelling coming from the protesters. She says, you're 46 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: here and has half the battle. 47 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 5: Don't worry about anything. You're in good hands now. 48 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: In Georgia, almost all abortions are illegal after six weeks. 49 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: Georgia law took effect, banning abortion after just six weeks 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: of pregnancy. 51 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: Six weeks for many people, that's before they even realize 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: that they're pregnant, so those who arrive to this clinic 53 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: carry a timely decision. In June of twenty twenty two, 54 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in a landmark decision. 55 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: The court's five most conservative justices struck down the nearly 56 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: fifteen year old. 57 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 6: Ruling, returning the right to ban or allow abortion to 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 6: individual states. 59 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 4: George's heartbeat law in effect, the measure bans most abortions 60 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: after a fetal heartbeat is detected, which can be as 61 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 4: early as six weeks into a pregnancy. 62 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: But overnight that protection was gone. And now we see 63 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: how the consequences of this law are playing out in 64 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: real time, and how getting an abortion in the United 65 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: States is not just complicated, it can be dangerous. 66 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 5: I'll walk through the building just to make sure everything 67 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 5: is clear, because it'll be easy for someone to hide 68 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 5: and wait to ambush someone if they really really wanted to. 69 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: From Futuro Media, it's Latino Usa. I'm Marie no Josan. Today, 70 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: I sit down with Emmy Award winning journalists Solidad O'Brien 71 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: and Rose Aerse Rosea spent years producing major documentary series 72 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: focusing on marginalized communities. Solidad founded her own production company 73 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: dedicated to telling empowering stories about race, class and social justice. 74 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: In this episode, Rose and Solidad share how they produce 75 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: the film The Devil Is Busy. It's a documentary that 76 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: is now nominated for an OSCAR. We talk about why 77 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: they chose to tell this story about daily life inside 78 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: an abortion clinic in Post Roe, Atlanta. They take us 79 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: to the front lines of reproductive healthcare, where faith, politics, 80 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: and women's rights collide. All of this from the perspective 81 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: of the head of security, Slollidad O'Brien, Welcome to Latino USA. 82 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: Congratulations on your OSCAR nomination. Girl, thank you so exciting. 83 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: And Rose, my former dear colleague. We work together as 84 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: the first ever Latina correspondent team at CNN. Great to 85 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: have you on Latino USA. Rose, great to be here. 86 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: So before we even get to the film, I want 87 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: to talk about why does this issue of reproductive justice 88 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 2: and access to abortion and health care for women, Why 89 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: does it matter so much for Latins. 90 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: You know, I don't think that the Latina community understands 91 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: why or how this affects them so much more deeply 92 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 3: than everybody else. It is partly a numbers game because 93 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: the states that have banned abortion are all concentrated in 94 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: communities where there are more Latinas than there are in 95 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 3: other parts of the country. Right, So when we say 96 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: that authord of Latinas are going to get abortions, half 97 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: of all Latinas live in the states where you no 98 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: longer can get an abortion, So we are disproportionately affected. 99 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: The fact that the first patient we see in your 100 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: documentary is Latina needs translation. 101 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: So when I hear this woman unable to communicate, I 102 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 3: mean think about her day, right, everything about her day 103 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 3: is a loss of agency. So she's coming in to 104 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 3: ask for a service where somebody else is going to 105 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: determine the undeterminable, which is are you six weeks and 106 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: a day? 107 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 6: And let's note she gets turned away. She actually does 108 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 6: not make the cutoff. She goes back into that truck 109 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 6: where her partner is driving her because she cannot get 110 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 6: the service. And so I do think this idea of 111 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 6: like six weeks in the state of Georgia is just insane. 112 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 6: If you get your period every four weeks, right, think 113 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 6: of how organized you have to be to not only 114 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 6: no at week six, but be at a clinic possibly 115 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 6: in another state altogether. So, yeah, we knew that roe 116 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 6: V way would fall, and we were trying to figure 117 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 6: out what's the way we want to tell the story 118 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 6: so people actually understand the impact. 119 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: And I think it's important to add we go to 120 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: the Ford Foundation, where a Latina listens to what we're saying, 121 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: gives us the money to make the documentary. Then we 122 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: go out and make the documentary and you know, shop 123 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: it aggressively to lots of mediums who did not want 124 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: a documentary an abortion. But a Latina executive at HBO says, yes, wow, 125 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: So there are Latinas involved in this at every step 126 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: of the process. It is no exaggeration. It would not 127 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: be on HBO today if it were not for Latinos. 128 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: Thank you for giving us that deep cut on the 129 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: back of the production side of it. Now, on the 130 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: front of the production side of it, what you were 131 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: able to do was follow the head of security, her 132 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: name is Tracy. How much time did it take for 133 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: you guys? To understand, oh, this is our central character 134 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: and we're going to tell this story through her. 135 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 6: We really have to credit our directors, Krystalline Hampton and 136 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 6: geta Gundbeer, right, because Krislin was on the ground there 137 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 6: and Amber Ferris as well because they were sent out 138 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 6: into the field. You absolutely were not going to be 139 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 6: able to do this story if you didn't have a 140 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 6: director and directors that the client's trust is the head 141 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 6: of security, trust is that everybody there trusted. Krystalline has 142 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 6: described about how every step of the way she would 143 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 6: stop and tell everybody like, this is what we're doing next. 144 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 6: So sure, Tracy jumps off the screen, absolutely, but I 145 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 6: really think it's Krystalline and geta who allow her to 146 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 6: feel like she can walk through her day and be 147 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 6: very open and starting with a prayer without feeling like 148 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 6: she's got to hide something or feeling vulnerable or that 149 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 6: she's putting something at risk for her patient and send 150 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 6: her clients. So I really do have to hand it 151 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 6: to our directors, who are just excellent. 152 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so you brought up the issue of prayer. The 153 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 2: film does start with Tracy, the head of security at 154 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: this women's health clinic being in prayer kind of setting 155 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: her day got to hit the ground running. So we'll 156 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: do prayer this morning. 157 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 5: I'm moving around, but I like to get it in 158 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 5: because we got a busy day. 159 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: All of God, we'll just give you thanks, Yes, you. 160 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 6: Love if on God, copd a blessr and conceiving. 161 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: Not all this crazy world. But and then very quickly 162 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 2: there's somebody else who is praying, standing outside of the 163 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: clinic with a megaphone, a bullhorn. 164 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 4: God has written. 165 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: Out all of the men's hearts. 166 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: One of those is thou shall not murderer. 167 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: He's on your heart and you know that it's wrong. 168 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: So Rose, can you talk a little bit about the 169 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: issue of faith and how you decided to deal with 170 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: it in the film? 171 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 3: Or you never see religion around the topic of abortion 172 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: unless it's in a negative way, unless it's being weaponized 173 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: against the people having abortions. Right and Tracy, not only 174 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 3: does she express her religion openly, but it's complicated, and 175 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: I think that the complexity of it when she talks 176 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: about her own abortion, when you hear these men outside, 177 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 3: when she talks about guilt and faith and God forgiving 178 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: her as if she had done something wrong. It's reflective of, 179 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: I think a battle that goes on in the heads 180 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: of many women. There are many, many layers to this conversation. 181 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: Tracy reflected all of those layers. 182 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 4: Also. 183 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 6: I think if I were to walk out in the 184 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 6: street and tell people, Hey, so we're doing a doc 185 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 6: about abortion and there's a very deeply religious person in 186 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 6: this dock at the center, I think most people would 187 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 6: assume I'm talking about a protester. 188 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 5: When the women are walking up to the clinic, and 189 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 5: he'll say something. 190 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: God told me to tell you you. 191 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 5: A murderer and you're going to hell, and I see 192 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 5: how it pierces them in this spirit. They'll get right 193 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 5: here and I'll see the tears and I say to 194 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 5: a baby, don't let the devil get. 195 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: In your spirit. 196 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 5: He's a man, he's human, just like you are. And 197 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, God gets the final 198 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 5: say if. 199 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: You're pregnant, you're already a mother, and God. 200 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 5: With that baby. 201 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 6: The other thing that was fascinating. Crystalline would call in 202 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 6: from the field and it was so loud that we'd 203 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 6: be like, Chrisline, you got to get inside, we can't 204 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 6: hear you. And she'd say I am inside, and so 205 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 6: one of the things that I thought was just brilliant 206 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 6: in the way the editing was done was to constantly 207 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 6: hear the voices we don't sound up full, and then 208 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 6: drop it, never to be heard again. 209 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: Right, It's there the whole time. 210 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 6: Like you hear them, just the way the patients, the 211 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 6: clients in the clinic hear them all the time. It 212 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 6: never goes away, And I just think it really gives 213 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 6: you that sense of watching but being in the clinic 214 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 6: and experiencing what they're experiencing. 215 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: One of those is thou shallt not murder? 216 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: How you're on your heart and you know that it's wrong. 217 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: When we come back, we talk about a moment most 218 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 2: people might never see on screen, an actual abortion procedure. 219 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 2: So why would we not show this? 220 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 3: Who has decided that it isn't healthcare and that it's 221 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 3: something that you can't see on TV? 222 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: Who we the media? 223 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: Well? 224 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 2: Who are we? 225 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: Who are we to make that decision? 226 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: And later we talk about how the Oscar nomination is 227 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: helping to bring more attention to this issue of reproductive healthcare. 228 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,119 Speaker 2: Stay with us, not yes. 229 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 4: So monse triveto mastros espanol Ik Podcast No. Itos platicas, Espanol, mihicano, 230 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 4: real normal, Mexicana slang noticias, inclusives, grammaticalism, is listening, authentic, 231 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: I'm interested scu conversation, Practici scuchanos and Spotify, Apple podcasts, 232 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 4: YouTube or checka no Io's podcast. 233 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: It's Latino us say, I'm Maria no Josa. Let's get 234 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: back to my conversation with journalists, so that that O'Brien 235 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: and Rose Arce. Now we're going to talk about why 236 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: they set out to document daily life inside an abortion 237 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 2: clinic in a post row American city. It's such a 238 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: beautiful narrative tale that you really feel like you're in 239 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: the location a day in the life of a clinic 240 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: like this, and because of the access that you got, 241 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: you actually do see an abortion which we never see, 242 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: and you do see the moment of suction. Can you 243 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: talk about the decision to keep that moment? How did 244 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 2: you get the person to say yes and to the 245 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: decision to say we're actually going to show an abortion. 246 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 6: She said yes because a crystalline crystalline said this is 247 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 6: where we're going to put the camera, this is what 248 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 6: we want to do. And I don't think she felt 249 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 6: a shame about allowing that to be seen. I think 250 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 6: she wanted to show that because you never see it. 251 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: I wanted there to be an abortion in this film 252 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: because you don't go to dinner with your girlfriends and 253 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: talk about abortion. There's a certain like shame and discomfort 254 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: around it. And I think one of the reasons just 255 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: because we never see them, and that message is that 256 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: this is some shameful, closeted, quiet little thing, and it 257 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily have to be since we're calling it like 258 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: a regular medical procedure. We went in thinking that we 259 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: were going to talk to women and ask them if 260 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: they were willing to let us join them during the procedure, 261 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: and it's something that we struggled with. We had many 262 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: conversations within the team about whether we were going to 263 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: ask anybody, whether we were going to show it. We 264 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: thought about it quite a bit, and I think we 265 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: managed to do it in a way that was very 266 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: sensitive to the person and sensitive to the procedure. And 267 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: so why would we not show this? Who has decided 268 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: that it isn't healthcare and that it's something that you 269 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 3: can't see on TV? We the media, well, who are we? 270 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: Who are we to make that decision. It's a piece 271 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: of health care, similar to a lot of pieces of 272 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 3: healthcare that you get when you go visit your gynecologist. 273 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: Which is the way you start out. This is just 274 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: a medical procedure. I do have to tell you I 275 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: had two abortions a long time ago. I have two 276 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: grown children, been married to the same man for thirty 277 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: five years. Like, I don't have to apologize for anything, 278 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: but I do feel it's important to say, yes, look 279 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: at me, I had not one, but two. 280 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 6: So that transparency, I think, is exactly what Tracy is 281 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 6: all about. 282 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: She's a security guard. 283 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 6: She doesn't have to say like, let me tell you 284 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 6: about my past life, let me tell you about my abortion, 285 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 6: let me talk about my guilt and the way I 286 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 6: struggle with it and how that turns me into someone 287 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 6: who wants to love on the people who come in 288 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 6: every day. Like she doesn't have to do that. That's 289 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 6: who she is, and there's something that's so heroic about that. 290 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: In your film, what you end up dealing with is 291 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: this complicated issue around race where you have the protesters 292 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: outside with Black Lives Matter signs, but you have black 293 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: women on the inside working to defend Black Lives of Women, Rose, 294 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit about the issue of 295 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: how you decided to really also not shy away from race. 296 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 3: I think what we made is not a decision to 297 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: not shy away from race. I think what we made 298 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: a decision to do is to embrace reality. This was 299 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: mostly shot in a day. We did his little sound 300 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 3: from other days because what we wanted to do was 301 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: to show to the public a moment in time so 302 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: they could see the reality of how abortion plays out 303 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: on any given day. After Roe v. Wade, and that 304 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 3: includes what you're talking about. That is part of the 305 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: reality of what is going on in this country. 306 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 6: And what's a better example of hypocrisy than the guy 307 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 6: who tries to burn down a black church holding a 308 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 6: Black Lives Matter sign. 309 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 5: When he was twenty two, he and three friends attempted 310 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 5: to burn down a black church down in Houston County 311 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 5: and Perry, Georgia, where he's from. 312 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 6: And she's pointing out the hypocrisy of here you are 313 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 6: spewing vial at these people who are coming in and 314 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 6: they don't even know that you're the guy who tried 315 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 6: to burn down a black church, and now you're holding 316 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 6: a Black Lives Matter sign and. 317 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 5: One day I asked him, I said, how can you 318 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 5: stand out here and cast people into a heaven a 319 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 5: hell that you don't have? He said, because I repented, 320 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 5: But every sound right is I repented in God that 321 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 5: gave me. 322 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 6: I think there's no better look at just sheer hypocrisy 323 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 6: than that moment. 324 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: There is that line in the film which is really incredible, 325 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 2: which is when Tracy says, this is healthcare period. Talk 326 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: to me about that moment. At the end of the. 327 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 5: Day, God gets the final say I'm not here. 328 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: To judge anybody. This is healthcare, period. 329 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 6: I think it's an indication of how far the conversation 330 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 6: has moved away from healthcare. And I think you see 331 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 6: it if you talk to again random people on the 332 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 6: street about planned parenthood or any clinic, the conversation might 333 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 6: be about abortion and not about all the other healthcare, 334 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 6: including abortion, that is offered at that clinic. So yeah, 335 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 6: I think that that's exactly right. It's healthcare and not 336 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 6: framing it as healthcare, but something else makes it a 337 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 6: debate as opposed to this is a service for women. 338 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 3: And also you should add that healthcare itself, general healthcare 339 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 3: itself was also affected by the ban on abortion. One 340 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 3: entrepreneur because Planned Parenthood, for example, which is one of 341 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 3: the biggest providers of healthcare for women of all colors 342 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: in this country, has had fifty clinics closed down this year. 343 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 3: One hundred independent clinics have closed down in the last 344 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 3: couple of years. Right, So all of those clinics are 345 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: no longer giving pap smears, they're not detecting breast lumps, right, 346 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: So there's a significant difference and the healthcare that you 347 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: can get beyond what happened with the abortion law. Thirty 348 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: states right now have prohibited from using state medicaid for 349 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: an abortion. Twenty six states are now acquiring an abortion 350 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: to be done by a doctor, which is completely unnecessary. 351 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: So they have control women's healthcare and other ways. The 352 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 3: only thing that's that's increased is black infant mortality in 353 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: the states that have bands. That is what this law did. 354 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 3: It goes way beyond abortion. 355 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 6: You have to really understand that the impact of these 356 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 6: sheer numbers of abortion clinics that are closing right impacts 357 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 6: all women. It's it's you know, it's very dire, and 358 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 6: a lot of these in end because it's also out 359 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 6: of the news. The fundraising is also really hurt for 360 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 6: the ones that haven't closed and are still in existence. 361 00:20:42,240 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: We'll be right back the way. Yes, hey, we're back. 362 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to wrap up my conversation now with journalist 363 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: Rose at and so that Dad O'Brien about their OSCAR 364 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: nominated documentary film, The Devil Is Busy. Rose, just talk 365 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: a little bit about production wise in terms of the 366 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 2: question of security and how you're kind of sitting with that. 367 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's interesting. When the film screened in Atlanta, 368 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: I was like all up in ribbons about this and 369 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: I thought we should we get security, and I called 370 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: it and I had like a zoom thing with the 371 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 3: people at the clinic and said to them, well, you know, 372 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 3: you're not named in the clinic. We don't name the clinic, 373 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 3: but you know, it's not that hard to figure out 374 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: what we're talking about, because sadly, there aren't that many 375 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: clinics so by a process of elimination, right, And they 376 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: all looked at me like I've lost my mind, because 377 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 3: I was the one that was concerned, and they're like, 378 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: we face this every single day. What you're talking about, 379 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: We're ready at any minute when you know Tracy's is 380 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: in the film. You know, any day I'm not scheduled 381 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 3: to come home from us. 382 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 5: This is a very stressful, high stress situation. Any date 383 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 5: you're not subject to go home from here because you 384 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 5: never know once people get in the building what they 385 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 5: may do. 386 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: Oh, that is such a moment. 387 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: And she's absolutely right, you know, and the doctor when 388 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 3: she says, you know, when I think I could go 389 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 3: to jail for what I do, it's just, you know, 390 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: it's unimaginable to the people that are in the state 391 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 3: where you can't get an abortion, but I think about it. 392 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: They're ready. Tracy is ready. She knows that there is 393 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 3: someone out there that would like to harm her. So 394 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 3: we gave them agency in this case. We said, is 395 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 3: this okay with you? And they chose, you know, to 396 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: show this over their own safety. 397 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: So now, because of the attention that the film is getting, 398 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: there is a Spanish language version. You're doing an educational 399 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 2: pack it for Spanish language viewers and such. I just 400 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 2: want to hear from the both of you and making 401 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 2: a film like this, especially when it's a short dock. 402 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: It's not an hour. You know, there's so many hills 403 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: to climb and you get so many no's. Ultimately, what 404 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: do you want the audience to take away from this 405 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 2: so that I will start. 406 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 6: With you for me at the end of the day, 407 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 6: I think it's a film that really shows in a 408 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 6: very short form, Right, it's thirty one minutes, exactly what 409 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 6: is ongoing in the day, in the life of the 410 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 6: security guard, the risks she's taking, the doctor who's second guessing, 411 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 6: I mean, should she stay as an opg yn in 412 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 6: a state that. 413 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: Could technically put her in jail? 414 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 6: The women who are debating how much of a disability 415 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 6: does a fetus have or are they protected from the law. Right, 416 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 6: That's why they're having that conversation. It's not about the 417 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 6: patient only, it's also about liability. So I think I 418 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 6: just wanted people to see, like, this is what it 419 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 6: is like post ro v Wade in an abortion clinic. 420 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 6: This is what the people who work here day in 421 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 6: and day out. And guess what, it's this again tomorrow, 422 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 6: and it's this again the next day, and it's this 423 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 6: again the next day. There's no who That was a 424 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 6: rough two weeks, but now the protesters have gone away 425 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 6: and all these things. Now this is what they do 426 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 6: day in and day out, and I think we were 427 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 6: really able to capture that, and that's why this film 428 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 6: has done well. 429 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 3: I would add to that that, you know, we've had 430 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: this conversation, all three of us at some point. You 431 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 3: don't do this work for the statues, because if you did, 432 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 3: you'd be pretty disappointed. Right. You do this work because 433 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: you have a goal, and that goal in this case 434 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 3: was that we believed that a year two and three 435 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 3: after this decision, people would forget about the people that 436 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: were doing this at the darkest moment in their life, 437 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: because this isn't something that gets publicized, and it feels 438 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 3: a little bit like there is a forgetting going on. 439 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: So a win for this film is not to see 440 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: necessary early Crystal and Ingito on the stage. This is 441 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: the directors. They represent the film. 442 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 6: I think that would be nice, though, that'd be great. 443 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: Out there exactly well, you know that that would be 444 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: wonderful to have the film recognized, But in a way, 445 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 3: the film's recognition is something that we wanted people to 446 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 3: leverage to keep the conversation going, to keep talking about 447 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 3: is this what we want? Because say you were one 448 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: hundred percent against abortion, and there are plenty of people 449 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: that came to the nineteen right now twenty five screenings 450 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 3: that we have done around the world, including Mexico City. 451 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: These folks that are even against abortion watch this film 452 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: and we haven't had people shouting at us. 453 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: We've had people saying Wow. 454 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: What we wanted was for them to talk about this 455 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: and ask the question, is this what you want women's 456 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 3: healthcare to look like? 457 00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: Was this the goal? All right? Well, best of luck. Congratulations, 458 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 2: you will be going to the Oscars Oscar nominated executive 459 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: producers of the film The Devil Is Busy. Solidad O'Brien, 460 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: Rose Adise, Congratulations, We're so proud of you and thank 461 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: you for adding this to the world of information on 462 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: this issue. We really appreciate it. You did a great job. 463 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 6: Thank you, Maria, thank you for having us appreciate it. 464 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: That was Solidad O'Brien and Rose Adase. You can find 465 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: their documentary The Devil Is Busy on HBO Max. This 466 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: episode was produced by Adriana Rodriguez. 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