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Speaker 1: in the NBA, the Knicks and the Nuggets both winning
Speaker 1: on the road. Will dissect that. You got the Pacers
Speaker 1: at the Cabs tonight, that's game two, Pacers are getting nine,
Speaker 1: and the Warriors at the Timberwolves Game one. The Warriors
Speaker 1: are getting seven. The Ravens cut Justin Tucker, perhaps a
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer. We'll talk about that. And the
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Speaker 1: d C. Boy, what a turn of events for Washington, DC.
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Speaker 1: Poll question, play of the Day, stat of the Day,
Speaker 1: All of that forthcoming. But a wild night last night
Speaker 1: as the Knicks come back beat the Celtics and Boston
Speaker 1: misses forty five three pointers forty five out of sixty,
Speaker 1: the Nuggets beat the Thunder and Joker goes for forty
Speaker 1: two and twenty two. I mean go back to the Knicks,
Speaker 1: because I thought they were in trouble down twenty and
Speaker 1: Boston didn't change its philosophy. They weren't hitting shots, but
Speaker 1: they were still leading. And then you kept wondering, do
Speaker 1: they go inside, do you maybe take a two at
Speaker 1: one point? Do you try to go to the free
Speaker 1: throw line? Just something that will break up the rhythm
Speaker 1: of missing all these three pointers. Well that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: But the Knicks come back from twenty down, and that
Speaker 1: rally is the biggest postseason comeback in franchise history. But
Speaker 1: Boston had to help sixty three pointers, that's the most
Speaker 1: ever an NBA playoff game, and missing forty five of
Speaker 1: the sixty that's obviously the most in an NBA playoff
Speaker 1: game as well. But I was curious about the second half.
Speaker 1: Thirty seven of the forty nine shots Boston took in
Speaker 1: the second half and three pointers. They went ten for
Speaker 1: thirty seven on those shots. And at some point I
Speaker 1: have to go against the analytics. Now I know Boston. Look,
Speaker 1: they had uncontested shots, they were missing threes. They're not
Speaker 1: going to miss these shots throughout this series. But at
Speaker 1: some point I want to see some kind of alteration.
Speaker 1: I want an adjustment there. How about you go for
Speaker 1: a two. How about you instruct your players to maybe
Speaker 1: run something inside and not just perimeter jumpers here, they
Speaker 1: are really good three point shooting team. But when you're
Speaker 1: not that then there has to be a point where
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, maybe we should stop shooting threes. It's
Speaker 1: not our night. But they never got to that point.
Speaker 1: Now you're going to have game two. Do I think
Speaker 1: Boston's philosophy is going to be the same. Absolutely, But
Speaker 1: can the Knicks play better? I think, you know, if
Speaker 1: Boston hits two more threes, they win this game. I
Speaker 1: don't think the Knicks played a perfect game. I think
Speaker 1: they hung in there. Brunson had a chance to win
Speaker 1: it with a layup in regulation. Og and Nanobi. I mean,
Speaker 1: they had the guys. These are the guys that they
Speaker 1: brought in Bridges. They brought them in to beat Boston.
Speaker 1: This happens a lot of times in pro sports, where
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, we got to beat that team. How
Speaker 1: do we beat that team? We got to get players,
Speaker 1: and that was their sole focus. We got to beat them.
Speaker 1: How do we match up with them? And last night
Speaker 1: the Knicks did a really good job of staying in
Speaker 1: and having composure. Here. Because you're down twenty on the road,
Speaker 1: you're probably going, all right, we'll chalk this up, it's
Speaker 1: a loss. We'll come back. I mean, even Denver. I
Speaker 1: thought a quick turnaround, it could either be really close
Speaker 1: or really ugly, and I was leaning towards OKC. They
Speaker 1: were a nine and a half point favorite. They were
Speaker 1: going to blow out the Nuggets. But then that young
Speaker 1: team sitting there resting waiting. Meanwhile, Denver a quick turnaround
Speaker 1: and they surprise okay See and Joker. I know this
Speaker 1: is going to be a referendum on well see, who
Speaker 1: should be the MVP. Shay Giljos Alexander is going to
Speaker 1: be the MVP, and he should be because of what
Speaker 1: he did during the regular season. But there's a pattern
Speaker 1: that has developed between these two teams. So the Nuggets
Speaker 1: come back from fourteen down, the thunder a blown double
Speaker 1: digit leads three times against Denver this season. Stat of
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Speaker 1: lost those three games to Denver and they blew double
Speaker 1: digit leads to them. Denver's a good team, smart team,
Speaker 1: and you have guys who who can make plays. Now,
Speaker 1: I didn't think Aaron Gordon was going to be the
Speaker 1: guy at the buzzer with a three pointer, but Chad
Speaker 1: Holmgren missed a couple of free throws. He was late
Speaker 1: trying to close out Aaron Gordon. Gordon is actually percentage
Speaker 1: wise a good three point shooter, but you had Joker
Speaker 1: who kept him in the game, putting up monster numbers there.
Speaker 1: And you know, keep in mind the Pacers already beat
Speaker 1: the Cavaliers. What are the odds that Golden State could
Speaker 1: complete the opening round sweep for road teams as they're
Speaker 1: a seven point underdog against the Timberwolves. All right, Seaton,
Speaker 1: what's the pole question today? Got a couple options here
Speaker 1: for you. Well, we could start with will the Nicks
Speaker 1: win another game in this series?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Or no?
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, sleep my sweep?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: Paulie said, dover, which team will advance? Nick Nuggets are neither? Okay,
Speaker 5: that's kind of fun, Nick Nuggets neither.
Speaker 1: Todd sent this to me. Who had a better night,
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson or Aaron Gordon? I would say Aaron Gordon
Speaker 1: hit the game winning shot. I mean, the Knicks had
Speaker 1: a great night. Aaron Gordon's had a really good month, Yes, Todd,
Speaker 1: But I.
Speaker 6: Find it fascinating how you, you know, how you would
Speaker 6: decide what would be the you know, you know, a
Speaker 6: moment obviously wins the game.
Speaker 4: So you think that's the obvious one.
Speaker 6: But then in a huge game and a huge series
Speaker 6: on the road, to see what Jalen Brunson did, and
Speaker 6: he kept popping three up to three and brings him
Speaker 6: back from twenty points, and at least an argument can
Speaker 6: be made that through the course of the game for
Speaker 6: each of those two games that you can would say Jalen.
Speaker 1: Brunton, I would say Aaron Gordon hit the game winning shot.
Speaker 1: That's what makes an interesting all right, thank.
Speaker 5: You, is it felt like Jalen Brunton had just won
Speaker 5: the game and thenn lost it almost immediately right after. Yes,
Speaker 5: it felt like that was man that needed to go
Speaker 5: in because there's no way that the Knicks are going
Speaker 5: to be able to keep the Celtics back.
Speaker 1: He's so good at creating space because he's not a
Speaker 1: big guy, but he takes on contact. He just is
Speaker 1: really good at knowing what he does well. And I
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of guys who have talent,
Speaker 1: they just don't know what they really do well and
Speaker 1: they try to do too much. I think Anthony Edwards
Speaker 1: sometimes colors outside the lines a little bit there, like
Speaker 1: he tries to do too much and because he's got
Speaker 1: all of that god given ability. But Brunson, I think
Speaker 1: he's just so good at knowing I do this really
Speaker 1: really well, and I'm not trying to do other things here.
Speaker 1: But what other pole questions are we looking at? First hour?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we go which team will advance. We
Speaker 5: could also look to the West as well, or maybe
Speaker 5: we could split it up East and West if you
Speaker 5: want to do that. I think we'll focus on the
Speaker 5: NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1: Right by the way, here is Jalen Brunson on his
Speaker 1: team down twenty.
Speaker 4: The toy sailler.
Speaker 7: Just keep leiaving and just keep firing and sticking together
Speaker 7: and keep tripping away. Was it going to be a
Speaker 7: twenty point shot where you can just come back? We
Speaker 7: got to keep chipping away possession by possession and then
Speaker 7: just finally I keep getting sup So make a place
Speaker 7: offensive one as.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, and also hoping the Celtics continue to miss
Speaker 1: three pointers I have. According to DraftKings the updated NBA
Speaker 1: title odds, the Thunder is still the favorites, then the Celtics,
Speaker 1: followed by the Calves, and then a distant fourth the Timberwolves,
Speaker 1: and then even further down the list, the Nuggets and
Speaker 1: Warriors are tied at plus eighteen hundred thunder r plus
Speaker 1: one seventy five Celtics plus two ten Calves plus five
Speaker 1: hundred Timberwolves plus eleven hundred. Okay, so phone calls are welcome.
Speaker 1: We'll get to those. Email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter
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Speaker 1: radio affiliates around the country. Yes, Pauline, I want to.
Speaker 8: Go back to what you said about the Celtics. They're
Speaker 8: missing all those threes, and should Joe Missoula say right
Speaker 8: time out, let's take it the whole reset a little bit.
Speaker 8: I wonder if analytics overrules him, because I would think
Speaker 8: the analytics would say, let's keep shooting because we're due
Speaker 8: to make based off our history. They lead the league
Speaker 8: this season in three point attempts forty eight per game.
Speaker 8: By far, they led a league in three point makes
Speaker 8: I wonder if analytics told them, don't stop, keep shooting.
Speaker 8: It will work itself out.
Speaker 1: But at what point do you say it's not our night,
Speaker 1: Like there has to be a point of no return.
Speaker 8: But I wonder if coaches are taught now to not
Speaker 8: fight analytics, not go with their gut, because analytics is a.
Speaker 1: Removal of gut.
Speaker 8: And I wonder if Joe Molzula says, Nope, don't do it,
Speaker 8: stick with it, stick with it, stick with it.
Speaker 1: Well, I believe that you have to go with your
Speaker 1: gut sometimes, like if you go by just the numbers.
Speaker 1: I mean, I see baseball. You know managers they outmanage themselves,
Speaker 1: they out think themselves, instead of going with this app
Speaker 1: how's he throwing and he's throwing great, No, he's throwing
Speaker 1: sixty one pitches. He's got to come out. Man, he's
Speaker 1: throwing pretty well skipped. I know he's going to come out.
Speaker 1: I just want to break up the rhythm. I got
Speaker 1: to get points. And if it's a free throw, two
Speaker 1: free throws, maybe it's just a mid range jumper. I
Speaker 1: just have to get something to break this skid that
Speaker 1: we're on. That would be my approach if I'm playing
Speaker 1: or if I'm coaching, Let's just get something.
Speaker 5: Yes, but don't you kind of see that, like all right, yeah,
Speaker 5: he's pitching, and he's had sixty pitches, and you have
Speaker 5: this data in front of you that says, as soon
Speaker 5: as he hits sixty one pitches, he usually falls off
Speaker 5: a cliff.
Speaker 1: I would don't you look at that and be like
Speaker 1: pull him out. I watch Aaron Boone mismanaged games all
Speaker 1: the time because it feels like he is just married
Speaker 1: to analytics. I now pronounce you manager and wife, and
Speaker 1: I have a problem with that. But look, I'm old school.
Speaker 1: I do accept analytics. I think that we're behold olden
Speaker 1: to analytics, and we're like, we hold on because you
Speaker 1: can go to a press conference and you can say, well,
Speaker 1: the numbers were on our side.
Speaker 9: There.
Speaker 1: The numbers show that we you know, I should pull
Speaker 1: this pitcher or we should keep shooting threes. I understand
Speaker 1: that it's a great excuse. I just I think there
Speaker 1: has to be a feel that you have with your
Speaker 1: team sometimes. Ben. Maybe that's just the old school in me,
Speaker 1: but I understand what you're saying. Yes, it says after
Speaker 1: sixty one pitches, then all of a sudden, the batting
Speaker 1: average goes up to three eighty seven, seven times out
Speaker 1: of ten.
Speaker 5: It works out this way, and you have to have
Speaker 5: a tremendous amount of belief in your gut and your
Speaker 5: intuition to say, yeah, but this is probably the eighth
Speaker 5: time or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: But if I say to my catcher that's all I
Speaker 1: care about. How's how's he throwing? Now, he might say, uh,
Speaker 1: you know what, time to take him out? Or you
Speaker 1: know what, they're not even coming close. Now I can
Speaker 1: say to my pitcher, leave in for one I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you get out of this jam. I'm gonna leave
Speaker 1: you in for one more better. That's just feel and
Speaker 1: trusting your players. That's the only thing that I would
Speaker 1: argue or push back on that. Joe Mizzoula knows we
Speaker 1: do this really well. Okay, at what point are we
Speaker 1: not doing this well? We've had open looks too. That's
Speaker 1: the crazy part. They're not going to shoot this poorly
Speaker 1: the rest of the series. But then I expect the
Speaker 1: Knicks to be a little better as well. Yeah, Paulie, it.
Speaker 8: Seems like the NFL is still gut over analytics. We
Speaker 8: talk about fourth and ones and stuff, and you hear
Speaker 8: coaches from the Bills, well, fourth and one, you should
Speaker 8: do this, and they don't. It feels like NFL coaches
Speaker 8: do a little more gut than analytics and tight situation.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think the younger coaching staffs, yes,
Speaker 1: are going with analytics. You know that, hey, this is
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do in this situation. And then
Speaker 1: you're like, really, you know Harball talks about this or Lafleur.
Speaker 1: You know, these younger coaches are like, yeah, we can
Speaker 1: go for yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Going back to last night's game, if I'm a Celtics fan,
Speaker 10: I'm pulling my hair out because Jason Tatum had a
Speaker 10: one on one a couple times with Brunson or Og
Speaker 10: and he could have gone straight to the rim and
Speaker 10: he backed up maybe another five feet to take a
Speaker 10: step back three pointer. I would have been pulling my
Speaker 10: hair out. Now, normally he makes it, but like you said,
Speaker 10: last night was not their night.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it easier for you to
Speaker 1: guard me if you know I'm not going to the
Speaker 1: hoop and I'm going to be on the perimeter. Now
Speaker 1: he has a height advantage, but still I know you're
Speaker 1: going to stay on the perimeter. It's such a huge
Speaker 1: advantage though, I think for the defense that you're you're
Speaker 1: not going to go inside, and that was what was surprising.
Speaker 1: I just need to break up the rhythm here, yeah, pauling, I.
Speaker 8: Wonder what an analytics coach would have said. Jalen Brown
Speaker 8: missed his first nine threes over nine, then he hit
Speaker 8: one when he was over nine. Would analytics tell you
Speaker 8: to tell him to stop shooting threes and taking the hole?
Speaker 1: Don't? Yeah, I would say go in there and get
Speaker 1: a get found.
Speaker 8: Now that's got Yeah, analytics have said Jaylen Brown, shold
Speaker 8: keep shoo because based off his history, he's due to hit.
Speaker 1: Paul. I've never lost a playoff game in my lifetime. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've never coached one, but I've never lost one. I defeated, yes,
Speaker 1: so I know what I'm talking about now. Anytime that
Speaker 1: I struggled shooting, I would always think, just get free throws,
Speaker 1: like just stop whatever is happening. And I think the
Speaker 1: ability to be able to slow it down and don't
Speaker 1: let the Knicks get momentum or get that feeling of man,
Speaker 1: we're in this because you took away that feeling when
Speaker 1: they were down twenty. You took away their hope, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you'll allowed it to come
Speaker 1: back by missing all these shots, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the Nicks are going uh, we can win
Speaker 1: this game like the Nuggets. I'm watching and I go, okay,
Speaker 1: they can't stop Joker, all right, they're doing okay here, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, they're fouling. Okay, I don't know about that flying.
Speaker 1: I can't gordon ballgame and sort of how it happened.
Speaker 1: All right, let me take a break. We'll settle on
Speaker 1: pull question. We got phone calls coming up. The great
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Speaker 1: I was surprised, but I was not shocked that the
Speaker 1: Ravens released Justin Tucker, the most accurate kicker in the
Speaker 1: history of the NFL, and he had been there thirteen
Speaker 1: years and of course sixteen. Massage therapists say Tucker's actions
Speaker 1: inappropriate sexual behavior in nature happened between twenty twelve and
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and I wondered if he was an all pro,
Speaker 1: if he was still Justin Tucker, would he still be
Speaker 1: on the team, and I would argue that he probably
Speaker 1: would be until we find out exactly what happened in
Speaker 1: these cases here. But he's a seven time All Pro.
Speaker 1: But he struggled. He made seventy three percent of his
Speaker 1: field goal percentages and he missed two extra points. The
Speaker 1: Ravens drafted a kid out of Arizona, Tyler Loop, I think,
Speaker 1: in the sixth round, and his numbers are okay, and
Speaker 1: he's not Sebastian Janikowski first round talent, but you're going
Speaker 1: to bring him in. Justin Tucker was set to make
Speaker 1: seven million dollars and he became expendable. And here's another thing.
Speaker 1: I think people were going, Oh, they're going to say
Speaker 1: this is football only. Well, they have to say that
Speaker 1: they can't release him because of you know what's gone
Speaker 1: on the inappropriate beg. I mean, he's got to have
Speaker 1: at least the opportunity to defend himself, I would think.
Speaker 1: But they can use football reasons. You know, there's no
Speaker 1: litigation with hey, we're releasing you you didn't perform well,
Speaker 1: which he didn't. He left himself open to, you know,
Speaker 1: having them bring somebody in. He struggled during the season
Speaker 1: at times. I think they talked about bringing in kickers.
Speaker 1: They were trying to give him confidence. But he has
Speaker 1: been released, and I don't know if you're a team,
Speaker 1: can you pick him up right now with all of this?
Speaker 1: Like what is the upside? You might be getting somebody
Speaker 1: who can return to his Hall of Fame form. What
Speaker 1: happens in five years, six years when he's eligible for
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? How do the voters sort this out?
Speaker 1: Not supposed to factor in stuff off the field, but
Speaker 1: you do. I think that's the human nature part of this.
Speaker 1: But sixteen massage therapists, and I believe these are civil
Speaker 1: lawsuits with him, but they said it was a football decision,
Speaker 1: incredibly difficult. The team thanked him for years of service.
Speaker 1: He is currently under league investigation after the allegations of
Speaker 1: sexual misconduct. Here's another question I have, and I don't
Speaker 1: have any answers. I'm not trying to litigate this as
Speaker 1: much as just asking a question. This inappropriate behavior allegedly
Speaker 1: occurred between twenty twelve and twenty sixteen. Why did it stop?
Speaker 1: Did it stop? Nobody else has come forward, So from
Speaker 1: twenty twelve to twenty sixteen, sixteen different massage therapists, you know,
Speaker 1: report incidents. What happened after that nine years later? Nothing else,
Speaker 1: But I wonder if there's any correlation between him struggling
Speaker 1: and then these lawsuits coming to light, because it certainly
Speaker 1: felt like there was some kind of synchronicity here. But
Speaker 1: he's one of the great kickers of all time, but
Speaker 1: he made himself vulnerable by not performing thirteen years. Probably
Speaker 1: h Hall of Famer, and he was famous too, like
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of difficult for kickers to be famous.
Speaker 1: Adam Vinteri's winning Super Bowls. Janikowski was just a big
Speaker 1: personality there. But getting in, you know, Morten Anderson, what
Speaker 1: the all time leading scorer. But you know, once again,
Speaker 1: trying to get into the Hall of Fame as a kicker,
Speaker 1: it's tough to do because you got get somebody's attention.
Speaker 1: And the kickers have gotten so good that you almost
Speaker 1: are shocked when somebody misses an extra point or misses
Speaker 1: from fifty yards down. It's weird. I'm more surprised when
Speaker 1: they missed from fifty than I am when they miss
Speaker 1: an extra point. It's just they've gotten to the point
Speaker 1: where automatic and this guy was mister automatic and now
Speaker 1: he's on the outside looking in.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Paulin, Yeah, Justin Tucker's struggles started a little bit
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty three. He was one for five from
Speaker 8: fifty plus and he was usually automatic. He actually did
Speaker 8: a poll question a year and a half ago, would
Speaker 8: you rather have Justin Tucker or all a Pro Bowl
Speaker 8: running back? And Justin Tucker won the pole. That's how
Speaker 8: he was thought of in the league.
Speaker 1: Well, Baltimore, I guess is bringing in Florida state kicker
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzgerald as well, but so over the Patriots and
Speaker 1: the Commanders. He was an All American first team All
Speaker 1: American thirteen for thirteen field goals, fourteen for fourteen on
Speaker 1: extra points. But I guess he was going to sign
Speaker 1: with Carolina as an undrafted free agent. But it just
Speaker 1: feels like kickers bounce around. But occasionally you get that
Speaker 1: guy who is with you for over a decade and
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker now cut by the Baltimore Ravens. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll get to some phone calls here eight seven to
Speaker 1: seven three DP show Gilbert in La, Hi, Gilbert, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind today?
Speaker 2: Patrick? Good morning, Patrick, Good morning everybody. Patrick. So talking
Speaker 2: about the Justin Tucker and the Ravens.
Speaker 11: I mean, if he's gotten so bad and guys have
Speaker 11: gotten so good, I mean I would definitely take Justin
Speaker 11: Tucker on the forty nine ers of her. Jake Moody,
Speaker 11: I mean, that guy couldn't hit anything.
Speaker 1: We need a kicker.
Speaker 11: We miss him, we miss the Roddy Gold. But I
Speaker 11: think anybody's better than Jake Moody at this point, what
Speaker 11: do you.
Speaker 1: Think, Well, you can call me Dan, but thank you, Gilbert.
Speaker 1: Would I take on Justin Tucker? Now? No, I would not. No,
Speaker 1: I would not if it's Justin Tucker with no baggage. Okay, maybe,
Speaker 1: but they're clearly You know, this is like golf, where
Speaker 1: you go, whatever happened to that guy, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they just forget how to be great to
Speaker 1: make putts. You know, you're a kicker, that's all you do. Kick,
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you get inside your head.
Speaker 1: You know, guys can be a really good shooter, and
Speaker 1: then they go to the free throw line or like,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you know, free throw
Speaker 1: percentage is in the sixties. You get into your own
Speaker 1: head and everything that he was carrying around with him
Speaker 1: probably he brought to the game and out there when
Speaker 1: he's kicking. Uh, Drew and Columbus, Good morning, Drew, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind today?
Speaker 2: Five eleven, one ninety. That's an honor, Thank you. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm getting real tired of people talking about analytics and
Speaker 2: then they say it and the act like the conversation
Speaker 2: has to end because they said the word analytics, Like
Speaker 2: there's no difference between winning about twenty and when by
Speaker 2: forty or material difference to the Celtics win the game.
Speaker 2: But also these analytics are accrued over the course of
Speaker 2: the season when you play a lot of bad teams.
Speaker 2: So you can fight analytics with analytics, right, Like what
Speaker 2: does the analytics say when you're playing the top five
Speaker 2: defense which the next are? Or in baseball, what do
Speaker 2: the analytics say when you're facing a top ten hit?
Speaker 2: Or do they change? So people really have to start
Speaker 2: taking the analytics with a grain of salt because you
Speaker 2: can cut those variables anyway.
Speaker 1: You Yeah, I'm with you on it, And I don't
Speaker 1: want to sound like the get off my line guy
Speaker 1: because I understand, you know, the numbers here and numbers
Speaker 1: don't line in certain situations, but I do think there
Speaker 1: has to be there. It has to be open to interpretation.
Speaker 1: What am I thinking? What am I feeling? And if
Speaker 1: you have analytics, if you're the Celtics, you're analytics. Do
Speaker 1: the Knicks have your analytics as well?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How much of this is a secret? It's we know
Speaker 1: what you do and you know what we do. So
Speaker 1: what's the advantage here? Hey, these are the analytics and
Speaker 1: they say we should keep shooting threes. Okay, we know
Speaker 1: you're going to keep shooting threes and we're going to
Speaker 1: play this style of defense. Some of the misses, like
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum hit the didn't even hit the rim on
Speaker 1: one of the threes, and it was an open top
Speaker 1: of the you know, key jumper, like you can miss
Speaker 1: and have it rattle in and out, you know, almost.
Speaker 1: But then there are other times when you start missing
Speaker 1: and you go, hey, Jason, go in, take it inside.
Speaker 1: Brunson's on you take it in. Sign post him up.
Speaker 1: Get some free throws here that for the life of me,
Speaker 1: I don't understand. And I've watched, you know, go back
Speaker 1: to when John Starks had that night marriash performance against
Speaker 1: the Rockets, but he kept shooting. At some point there's
Speaker 1: diminishing returns to keep shooting. Now, you might say, and hey,
Speaker 1: I thought this myself, Well I'm gonna make the next one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the next one. At some point, doubt
Speaker 1: creeps in. I don't care how great a shooter you are.
Speaker 1: At some point, consciously, subconsciously, it seeps in. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: does have to be.
Speaker 5: That moment where it's like, uh, all right, I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna get to the hoop, get a quick two, maybe
Speaker 5: an N one, change the rhythm a little bit, like
Speaker 5: you're saying. But it is funny how a player like
Speaker 5: say Jason Tatum, he's a shooter. I'm just gonna shoot
Speaker 5: my way out of it, and the guy next one
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, me too, And the guy next to
Speaker 5: him he's like, yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I'm just I just gotta shoot my way out of it.
Speaker 1: You know, guys like us, we're just shooters, right.
Speaker 5: It's like, you can't have everybody be like I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna shoot my way out of it too, Yes, Pauling.
Speaker 8: I went back and looked at the Celtics last three
Speaker 8: games versus the Knicks in twenty twenty five. They shot
Speaker 8: forty two on the season three points versus the Knicks,
Speaker 8: that was the second best team they faced as far
Speaker 8: as three point percent.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, at some point you have to go inside.
Speaker 1: You have to break up the rhythm. That's all. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be, Hey, we're not shooting any more threes, guys,
Speaker 1: let's just break up the rhythm. Let's get somebody to
Speaker 1: score some points. Let's you know, we're up twenty. We
Speaker 1: don't need to continue to force this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, smart, VP relaxed Kevin Mchaley and walking through that door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's not shooting threes. He probably would have
Speaker 1: to be. No, I don't know. They'd probably said, Kevin,
Speaker 1: nobody wants a two. Get outside, Robert Parry, Robert. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody's shooting threes. Not everybody should shoot threes, but they
Speaker 1: you know, then Porzingis was out. Al Horford had to
Speaker 1: play more. Al Horford looked his age. It was it
Speaker 1: was just a game. They lost a game. They lost
Speaker 1: it home, Okay, got their attention. Cleveland. Cleveland is in
Speaker 1: worse shape because they got injuries here, and the Pacers
Speaker 1: are a good team. I said, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if they won this, you know, beat the Cavs it's
Speaker 1: just they're not famous. Nobody covered them. The analyst will
Speaker 1: tell you they play the hits. Nobody's watching, you know,
Speaker 1: the Pacers and just not. Pacers got more coverage when
Speaker 1: Halliburton's dad went toe to toe with Yannis. That's the
Speaker 1: most coverage they got the entire season and lost in
Speaker 1: That was Halliburton's game winning layup against Giannis. It's that
Speaker 1: this is the world we live in. Nobody's covering Detroit.
Speaker 1: Nobody cover the Rockets. You know that they're playing they
Speaker 1: it's a top forty radio station. We're going to play
Speaker 1: the same hits over and over and over. That's when
Speaker 1: we're surprised. We're like, damn, such and such as good
Speaker 1: like a yeah, amen, Thompson man, that guy's pretty good.
Speaker 1: You know we played the entire year. Yeah okay, yes, Marvin,
Speaker 1: only you.
Speaker 10: Were playing the indie rock band that nobody ever heard of, Like, oh,
Speaker 10: Polo ban Cao, Why are we talking Polo Bankaro.
Speaker 1: It's okay, I mean, this is just my approach. However,
Speaker 1: you know you're told to you know, networks tell you
Speaker 1: everybody wants to hear about Lebron and you know, Luca
Speaker 1: and I understand all of that, and I worked there
Speaker 1: for eighteen years. I just think being fair to your sport.
Speaker 1: If that's your job as a reporter, as an analyst,
Speaker 1: then be fair to your sport. Single out some of
Speaker 1: these guys. Kate Cunningham was great the entire season, not,
Speaker 1: says man. Look at him in the playoffs?
Speaker 10: Yes, Mark, going forward for the rest of the playoffs.
Speaker 10: Is there one player you suggest that everybody watches.
Speaker 1: I would say Evan Mobley, but I don't know what
Speaker 1: his status is for Game two Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: I'd have to think about that, but it'll probably be
Speaker 1: somebody that you don't normally focus on. Probably not. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break. We'll settle on our poll question. Well,
Speaker 1: update our pool question. Doc Emrick, the Great Doc Emerck
Speaker 1: will join us. Probably been a while since he's done
Speaker 1: any play by play. Oh, Fritzy is going to do?
Speaker 1: Is Kevin Harlan impersonation? Kevin Harlan on the call last
Speaker 1: night with the Celtics and the Knicks. So we'll have
Speaker 1: that for you. But coming up next play the day.
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Speaker 12: Second free throw home gird you kissed it again. Rebound
Speaker 12: down to Christian Brown.
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Speaker 1: of Very Good we brought this up years ago. We
Speaker 1: bring this up usually on an annual basis, like Joe
Speaker 1: Johnson Hall of very Good, Al Horford, maybe the Hall
Speaker 1: of Very Good. I think Paul gets a little too
Speaker 1: generous when he goes Aaron Gordon Hall of very Good,
Speaker 1: and I would say Aaron Gordon is the Hall of.
Speaker 8: Good, which there is not a Hall of good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's in the neighborhood. It's in the subdivision,
Speaker 1: the brick and mortar hall. So there's Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: there's the Hall of very Good, there's the Hall of
Speaker 1: pretty good, there's the Hall of good. That's how I
Speaker 1: see it. Aaron Gordon is the Hall of pretty good.
Speaker 1: Pretty good. Never been an all star, yes, sEH.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: I just need to get the order correct. There's the
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, hall of Fame, then there's the Hall
Speaker 5: of very good. Yes, then pretty good. It's pretty good
Speaker 5: as above good. Yeah see, I just feel like the
Speaker 5: Hall of he's pretty good or the Hall of No
Speaker 5: He's good.
Speaker 1: He's the Hall of good. Yeah, no, he's very good.
Speaker 1: Pretty good. Pretty good to me is a fourth tier good. Okay.
Speaker 5: I just want to if we're going to put a
Speaker 5: poll question up about this, I just need to know
Speaker 5: the third option is either going to be pretty good
Speaker 5: or good.
Speaker 1: I thought pretty good was adding to good. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: go pure good. He's pretty good. Okay, okay, maybe it's
Speaker 1: the inflection. Maybe I'm selling it a little bit.
Speaker 5: I'm doing the same thing. Though, he's good, he's he's
Speaker 5: pretty good. Aaron Gordon Hall of Fame, very good, pretty good. No, No,
Speaker 5: he's well, he's not a Hall of Famer. Well, right,
Speaker 5: I know that, But I just feel like we got
Speaker 5: to Pott, don't we. Yeah, in case Aaron Gordon's family
Speaker 5: wants to book. Yeah, I don't want to be hater. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't want to be just rude. Yeah, Hall of
Speaker 5: like Joe Johnson is the Hall of very Good.
Speaker 8: He's a founding father.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is he on the Mount Rushmore of very Good? Yes, yes, Martin,
Speaker 1: along with Al Horf Al Horford. Al Horford's a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer.
Speaker 4: Though he's going to get in.
Speaker 1: He will get in the Hall of Fame because he
Speaker 1: won two national titles in college and he's had a
Speaker 1: long career and he's won a couple of titles. He's
Speaker 1: he's in the Hall of very Good, yes, Martin.
Speaker 4: Old school reference Hall of very Good, Tom Chambers.
Speaker 1: Tom Chambers should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: See Hall of very Good. Now some people should be
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Tom Chambers. If I was just looking at his highlights
Speaker 1: the other day, of course I was looking at his highlight.
Speaker 1: He put up sixty in a game. Basketball player. Now,
Speaker 1: Tom Chambers was athletic. He was a really dynamic player.
Speaker 1: I got. I was watching Tom chamber highlights that was
Speaker 1: It's on Facebook, and all of a sudden I locked
Speaker 1: into Tom Chambers and I go, damn he was He
Speaker 1: was good. He was Hall of Famer, yeah, pauling.
Speaker 8: But checking the h OBG criteria, Aaron Gordon, he averaged
Speaker 8: like fifteen and eight almost every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not Hall of Fame, right, hall.
Speaker 8: Of very good. He very famous, dunk contest famous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't even win the dunk contest.
Speaker 8: Which is another reason very good.
Speaker 1: I think he's he's in the Hall of Good. You know,
Speaker 1: he's just a good player.
Speaker 8: Okay, I hate to bring this up. Gilbert Arenas joining
Speaker 8: us later today. Three time All.
Speaker 1: Star, he won a scoring title.
Speaker 8: He averaged twenty nine one year, twenty eight one year,
Speaker 8: which is very Hall of very goodish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's not a Hall of Famer there
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, yes, he see, That's why I think
Speaker 1: he's so interesting.
Speaker 5: The timing of having him on is perfect because he
Speaker 5: is right in line with that. Yesterday we were talking
Speaker 5: about James Harden and Russell Westbrook. The next in that
Speaker 5: exact same line of player could be Gilbert Arenas. He's
Speaker 5: in that category of Damn, why the hell isn't this
Speaker 5: guy winning? Why isn't this guy getting a ring? Why
Speaker 5: didn't Why didn't that work?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Harden and Westbrook were MVPs, and they did
Speaker 1: lead the league in scoring and one average a triple double.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're far more decorated than Gilbert.
Speaker 5: They are, but I just feel like talent wise, he
Speaker 5: felt like a guy at least. Maybe I'm over selling
Speaker 5: it a little bit, but I feel like he would
Speaker 5: be in that list of five guys.
Speaker 1: Maybe that are like, damn, I thought this dude would
Speaker 1: have gotten a ring. He should have been better, should
Speaker 1: have been better. Yes, Yes, he was a bucket, Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I think the thing with Gilbert was his prime wasn't
Speaker 10: long enough. If he had those same numbers for another
Speaker 10: three years, he would be in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 10: by now. Six time All Star, yeah, five time All
Speaker 10: NBA player, Because I think the prime was only as
Speaker 10: far as a top five top ten player was only
Speaker 10: for three years. So I think that's what puts him
Speaker 10: in the Hall of Good is that the prime wasn't
Speaker 10: long enough. It's not like he averaged eighteen points for
Speaker 10: ten years. He had just like three monster years where
Speaker 10: he'd put up crazy numbers. So I think that's the
Speaker 10: thing with Gilbert Reinas.
Speaker 1: By the way, lost in the Aaron Gordon jumper chat,
Speaker 1: Holmgren misses two free throws there, and then you're thinking,
Speaker 1: is Westbrook going to take the shot? Is Joker going
Speaker 1: to take the shot? And Aaron Gordon was open and
Speaker 1: Homegren didn't close out. He hesitated because they didn't need
Speaker 1: a three, they needed a two to win the game.
Speaker 1: And I think Holmgren thought, I don't want to flash
Speaker 1: and get out there and then have Aaron Gordon beat
Speaker 1: me at the buzzer. And he got out there too late.
Speaker 1: And but give credit to Gordon. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: big shot. It's not the shot I would have drawn up,
Speaker 1: but hey, it worked. Angela in Oklahoma, Hi Angela, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind today?
Speaker 13: Hi? Dan five six, one hundred and twenty three first
Speaker 13: stem collar. Yeah, And first of all, I'd like to
Speaker 13: say I'm you know, I'm upset about the thunder, but
Speaker 13: the play of the day is well des hurt kudos
Speaker 13: on that. I'm also a poker player. I loved the
Speaker 13: Joker but didn't care for him last night.
Speaker 1: Thank you Angela sounded a little bit like Pandora, didn't
Speaker 1: it going on, little man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jay We love you.
Speaker 1: Stand Jay stand Jay? Oh Dan, Oh Dan?
Speaker 4: Give us.
Speaker 1: It gets me every time. Hot Tom in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Hi Tom, Hey Tom.
Speaker 9: He loved the sound of Pandora.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I want to kind of like get off a little
Speaker 9: bit of little topic about to do. I want to
Speaker 9: talk about tonight's game Minnesota and Golden State. So I
Speaker 9: know your favorite player, Rudy Gobert, Hall of very Good
Speaker 9: maybe you know No.
Speaker 1: No, he's not the Hall of very Good. No, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know continue.
Speaker 9: I was looking at a stat I saw that h
Speaker 9: Draymond Green. He's got four technicals. Do you foresee the
Speaker 9: Timberwolves poking the bear trying to get Draymond to be
Speaker 9: Draamond to maybe possibly get up to that seventh technical
Speaker 9: and get suspended.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, sometimes you'd I don't even have to
Speaker 1: poke it. He'll he'll do the honors himself, and I'm
Speaker 1: really interested to see how Draymond and Rudy and the
Speaker 1: Goberts do. I am, yes, Barton.
Speaker 10: I hate to burst your bubble, but I really think
Speaker 10: Rudy Gobert ends up getting into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: But he got three or four Defensive Player of.
Speaker 1: The Year award probably Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10: The criteria to get into the Hall of Fame in
Speaker 10: basketball isn't as high as the others, so there's a
Speaker 10: lot of Hall of very good guys that end up
Speaker 10: getting it into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 8: Pul, But if every player from the Basketball Hall of
Speaker 8: Fame were out on a court and they're picking sides,
Speaker 8: Rudy might be standing there a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not gonna take him anytime soon. He should
Speaker 1: be dominating in this series. Golden State doesn't have a
Speaker 1: big guy, the Lakers didn't have a big guy. He
Speaker 1: should get twenty rebounds, he should be blocking five shots.
Speaker 1: I think that's the surprise is people are surprised that
Speaker 1: he had a big game. He's supposed to.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yes, Marvin unrelated, but hallo very good.
Speaker 1: Baron Davis, Yeah, I'll give you that there's some guys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's quite a few of those. Nick van Exel. Nick
Speaker 1: van Exel was underrated.
Speaker 4: I'm going to say Rock Strickley.
Speaker 1: I was watching highlights of Nick van Exel this weekend.
Speaker 1: I'm Facebook, I was, I was.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Antoine Davison mixed in.
Speaker 4: Some Anton Walker highlights.
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