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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey, it's the twenty sixth of

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Speaker 1: September and you have nothing better to do than watch

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Speaker 1: this stupid show. Hi everyone, I'm one half of your

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Speaker 1: hosting duo. Welcome to Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I join you from the capital of Estadas, Needles, right

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Speaker 1: here in Washington, DC, joined by my hetero editorial life mate,

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Speaker 1: friend and fellow wash Dad. He's the King of Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: He's also my friend in yours. It's Brian Campbell. Hi.

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, Hi, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your constant push for us to take our

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Speaker 1: Rich steadfastly reject at all times.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you want like like you want like man

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Speaker 2: But the whole thing here is though that.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: My name is Brian. I love combat sports and I

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Speaker 2: probably have polarizing to shitty takes about them that you're

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Speaker 1: Okay, hope everyone is doing well. It's a Monday show.

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Speaker 1: There was no UFC over the weekend, but there as

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Speaker 1: it's a combat sports cornacopia every weekend, so there's always

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Speaker 1: was Belatour two eighty five from Dublin, Ireland on Friday.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that on extra credit. Plus, I have

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Speaker 1: the way, we're on the old TikTok. You can do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't groom children on you're into that, get off, TikTok,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Luke, you don't have to be you don't have Okay.

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Speaker 1: It took you about and let's see, about ninety seconds

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Speaker 2: to make this world a better place. It's your choice. Hey,

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Speaker 2: are you gonna cyborg up? I didn't add cyborg to

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Speaker 2: have you seen this shit since it was last night,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I watched some of the highlights

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Speaker 2: I had a great weekend, Luke. I didn't work a lot.

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Speaker 2: The question here is has two consecutive wins one over

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Speaker 2: Is that enough? Well, Luke, this specific division in the

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Speaker 2: I was happy to see Luke that he is revived,

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Speaker 2: And I think Benson again has found that, signing what

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Speaker 2: after Henderson through three rounds essentially shut everyone in that

430
00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 2: building up, they still tried to rally with a zombie

431
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,679
Speaker 2: chant a cappella. And by the way, it was like

432
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 2: pretty awesome. I mean, I mean that crowd showed out

433
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,960
Speaker 2: in so many ways as we talked about, Yeah, Luke,

434
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 2: he had nothing. I don't know if he had gotten

435
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,280
Speaker 2: her early in a way we didn't pick up on,

436
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,440
Speaker 2: and he was sort of just riding on instinct. I'll

437
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 2: always shout out somebody like Peter Coeley's toughness, his ability

438
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 2: to endure over twenty five minutes was was really on

439
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,439
Speaker 2: point there. But he had nothing, He had no ability

440
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 2: to counter what was coming back at him, and he

441
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 2: was just kind of running into the same thing, running

442
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 2: into the same wall again and again the same way.

443
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,680
Speaker 2: I think this was a very disappointing performance topped to

444
00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 2: bottom for somebody who's one fight removed from fighting for

445
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,640
Speaker 2: a world title against a guy he had just stopped

446
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 2: the fight before. I get the controversy and all that

447
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,120
Speaker 2: with the decision making from the officials, but this would

448
00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 2: have been Peter Quieley's opportunity. He really, well, look this

449
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,640
Speaker 2: is these are the we set for this fight. One

450
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,160
Speaker 2: guy's probably going in that other direction for good. One

451
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 2: guy's going to try to make one more run. It

452
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 2: was Benson Henderson who did it so impressively that we're

453
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,639
Speaker 2: actually legitimately talking about him in a title fight, and

454
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,959
Speaker 2: Luke I thought Benson's on the mic reaction of saying,

455
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: hey Patricky, let's go to Brazil. We'll do a soccer stadium.

456
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 2: I'll be the villain, I'll be the road guy, or

457
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 2: hey U Smidner Magametov will do the same thing in Moscow.

458
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: I like that spirit in that attitude, lukecause it's probably

459
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: gonna take that.

460
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,919
Speaker 1: Uh, okay. So then it gets to a question of

461
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,959
Speaker 1: who should he fight? Now, obviously he's the number one contender,

462
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: he has to just fight the winner. What would you

463
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 1: rather see? Would you rather see Henderson versus PATRICKI Pitbull two,

464
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: which obviously the first one ended in a split decision

465
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 1: loss for Benson Henderson. Would you rather see Henderson versus

466
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: numer Goamdov? I will tell you personally it would be

467
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 1: the latter for me, But we can get to yours first.

468
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 2: Well, look which fight does he have a greater chance

469
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 2: of winning? The Patricky pit Bull one? I love Patricky.

470
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 2: He's had savage moments in the cage at this point

471
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 2: in his career. Luke, Uh you know, I I think

472
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,199
Speaker 2: he can be upset. I think you know you had

473
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 2: those those close ish fights with Kuili. You saw that

474
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: this is the the avenue that it would probably need

475
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 2: to take for Henderson to have this opportunity to do

476
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 2: this late career surge. I just have legitimate questions about

477
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 2: Patricky getting past this freight train, this absolute hammer. Do

478
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 2: I have the do I have the cupboard over here?

479
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: Luke?

480
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 2: Is it hammer time? I mean Usimann der Maga, Medov's

481
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,239
Speaker 2: shaft is in here, Luke, Okay, Patricky's gonna have an

482
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 2: all pill night against that, so uh, that also means

483
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 2: that Benson will potentially have the same But that's why

484
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: we watch the fights, Luke, Let's see what happens.

485
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: I will tell you. For me, personally, I'd rather be

486
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: Nurmaga Madoff, and I realized that there's history between him

487
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: and Pitbull, right, that'd be kind of cool to watch. Again,

488
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: I agree that the Henderson versus PATRICKI fight is much

489
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: more winnable for Henderson. I would I would, I would

490
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: certainly acknowledge that that is true. But for me, on

491
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: the Nermerga Madoff side, if you're a number first of all,

492
00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: if you're a nermer goa Madoff, you're already the champion

493
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: this particular case, but defending it against a guy like

494
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: Henderson that's by far the most experienced guy he's fought,

495
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: if that, if that comes to that, right, Like part

496
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: of the criticism of Neimerga Madov's resume we're talking about

497
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: Usma Nimerga Madoff here is that it doesn't have like

498
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: really top tier guys. And again we're talking about a

499
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 1: Benson Henderson who is very close to the end of

500
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: his career, but still performing, as we indicated, quite ably,

501
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: but still to have that name on your resume, guy

502
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: this experienced, I think would say a lot. Conversely, if

503
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: you're Benson Henderson and you end up beating Usman Nimber Gamdov, dude,

504
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: that's about as validating a late career win as you're

505
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: probably going to get. Certainly within Belatore, I couldn't imagine

506
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: who else he could beat at this point in the

507
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: in the even a Brent Premis or even a total

508
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess some tofit Massia fight would be

509
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: good too, but it doesn't carry the same obviously value

510
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: either way. There would be a lot more to gain

511
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: on either side. I think within nimer goa Madov versus

512
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 1: Henderson fight, and by the way, I tend to think

513
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 1: that's probably what you're gonna get. I think number Goamado

514
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: is probably gonna be at your weight class champion. Seems

515
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: like Henderson will get the title shot. We don't know yet,

516
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: that's probably what we're going to get. I think that

517
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: that works. That's a great way for either guy to

518
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: get a lot out of something and for the promoter

519
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: to be able to hand off something interesting in the

520
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: either direction. Indeed, Luke, all right, point number two, let's

521
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: go to you all Romero here. So he got a

522
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: really very solid win, putting out the lights of Melvin

523
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: Manhoff in the third. But by the way, I forget

524
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: those stats here. I think Aaron bron Setter had a

525
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: tweet about it. Where you look at the stats, Romero

526
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: has a huge portion of his finishes all coming in

527
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 1: KO or TKO in the third. But he gets it

528
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: done in the co main event. B C. The question

529
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: to you is A, how impressive is the victory? And

530
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: b this is the interesting part. He kind of flamed

531
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 1: out of what was supposed to be in the tourney. Right.

532
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: We was supposed to get the Anthony Johnson fight. We

533
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: didn't get it, and blah blah blah, loses to Phil Davis.

534
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: It just didn't go the way it was supposed to go,

535
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: and so he's out of the tournament. We don't have

536
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 1: a resolution yet between Cory Anderson and the deem Nemkov.

537
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: We're going to get one here pretty soon. But like,

538
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: does this win get him a title shot now that

539
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 1: the tournament's over? He didn't necessarily like shine through that

540
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: process and the way that we had all kind of

541
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: hoped it didn't turn out the way we want. He's

542
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: got two wins in a row. He beat Manhoff rather easily,

543
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: and you could say, well, Manhoff, as I said on Friday,

544
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's retiring. I don't think he should be

545
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: fighting at all at this point, but here he is. Nevertheless,

546
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: where are you on how good he looked and what

547
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: this means for wherever he stands at two oh five?

548
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: You all look great, I mean physically, Luke. He seemed

549
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: to be back in a spot he hasn't been since

550
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: moving up to two five and coming to Bellatur. Now,

551
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: like Benson Henderson, I think he found a Why we

552
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 2: found that out after the fight when he announced, hey guys,

553
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: I'm still the best one hundred and eighty five pound

554
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: fighter in the world now, like he put a little

555
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: qualify around that little tongue in cheek and him saying that,

556
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: But this was a two hundred and five pound bow.

557
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 2: It was a fight he was supposed to win odds wise,

558
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: and look, you know, him being this dialed in actually

559
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: robbed us from some of that crazy all action potential

560
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: that this fight kind of off. But I think the

561
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: silver lining in that is that you all's back. He's

562
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: back at the very least to say he's gonna get

563
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: the very best of what's left of him when he's

564
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 2: already in this weird, unique, ageless wonder spot. Was he

565
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: forty five because Luke, he was not in this kind

566
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: of shape in the Phil Davis fight, in which was

567
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 2: kind of rushed, even in the last one against Alex Polisi,

568
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: which he looked very good. This showed me that he's

569
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: got something to fight for, and that's a run at

570
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: the one hundred and eighty five pound title. You saw

571
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: him in markedly better shape, which shows you he's in

572
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 2: the process of cutting down. And when it comes to

573
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: the potential matchups there, not only has Johnny Evlin already

574
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: responded with like a hell yeah, I'll retire another legend,

575
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: but Luke the idea of him fighting Gaygard Musasi, who

576
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: just lost his middleweight title. I mean, that's must CTV,

577
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: that's destination viewing between two all time greats. So I

578
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: actually long term loved the developments of what came out

579
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: of this fight. We didn't get the back and forth

580
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: sort of highlight potential, but were when Romaro had the

581
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: opportunity to end the fight. Boy did he do so

582
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: violently against a still game man who really was never

583
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: in this contest. I like to see Yoel motivated. I

584
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: like to see him hyping himself up, and more than

585
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: anything else, although it's not really related to all this,

586
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: the reception he got from that Dublin crowd, Luke, it

587
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: was heartwarming. Here's a guy who has no connection to

588
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: that area of the world, yet due to his reputation,

589
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: due to his accomplishments, they showered him and love and

590
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 2: praise to the level where you could feel it through

591
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: the screen. And even you heard Yoel go after it

592
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: in the postfight interview and say, Hey, all fighters out there,

593
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: you haven't fought yet until you fight right here in

594
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: this cage. I love to see him get that respect.

595
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: But the thing is, Luke, he actually earned that respect

596
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: with his performance. He's dialed in and he's ready. How

597
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 2: soon for a middleweight title show? I don't know, but

598
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: it feels like he's a player now because I feel

599
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: like he's making the best use of what's left of

600
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: his talents. Two of five was always going to be

601
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: a little bit of a crap shoot for him, but

602
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: to see him now getting back in killer shape and

603
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: utilizing his offensive wrestling, which is something that just has

604
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: not been there throughout his elite MMA run. I thought,

605
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: altogether this was a great turn for the better for

606
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: Yola Romero, and I'm very excited about his future.

607
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: So I'm surprised that you see a future at one

608
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: eighty five. I candidly don't. Why are you so confident

609
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: he can make five again?

610
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: Because I saw him come in and markedly better shape

611
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: in this fight than the last two he looks. I

612
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: know it's never too I know it's never been easy

613
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: for him. Luke, you know, can I sit here and

614
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: guarantee you he makes it?

615
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: No?

616
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: I mean he's fought in how many title fights in

617
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: a row? Was he a part of that? He failed

618
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: to make weight? And we get it, But Luke, isn't

619
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: that a better use of what's left for both him

620
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: and the promotion? Look the the the aging wonder old

621
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: guy versus old guy fights are always going to be there.

622
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: If Rumbule can get healthy, we'll ever want to see that. Yeah,

623
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: I still want to see that, Okay, I still do.

624
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: But their fights to make at middleweight and in him

625
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: attempting to cut down is going to get the best

626
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: of what's left in him. Luke, I'm gonna be honest

627
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: with you. Even though he look good against Polizi, the

628
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: way he carried himself, how he looked physically the last

629
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: two fights since coming to Belitori, it just didn't feel

630
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: like the Yoel of old. I thought we had stumbled

631
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: upon an old yoel. And I'm not trying to say

632
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: that beating forty six year old Melvin Manhof is a

633
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 2: fountain of youth moment where I'm now going to like

634
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: favor him against Johnny Eblin or Musasi. No, but I

635
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: want to see those fights, and he's gonna have to

636
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: be in the right mental and physical shape really strategically

637
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: as well, and he was with the wrestling in this

638
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: case to be there to put off, you know, the

639
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: best version himself. I think he's found a reason to

640
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: get motivated, and I think we saw that shine through

641
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: in this one.

642
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I don't see I agree with

643
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: your sense of how he looked like I you know,

644
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: the fact that he's got the third round KOs and

645
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: t Ko is so considerably relative to his peers to

646
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: me is an interesting thing. But if you just watch

647
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: this fight in particular. Of course, this has been true

648
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: longer than just this fight, but this fight was a

649
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: great showcase of taking his time finding the right moment.

650
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: It came in the third Obviously, there was a lot

651
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: of wrestling that came before that from Yuel Ramary. He

652
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: was gonna get the take done basically whenever he wanted,

653
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: and then you know, sort of softening up, slowing down

654
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: a guy like Melvin Manhoof and then those elbows. I

655
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: tweeted about it, like where when he got to the

656
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: position I think in the second round where it's like,

657
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: this is the same position that half guard top control

658
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: that he demolished Leoto Machida from with those elbows. I

659
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: think it was in Hollywood, Florida on a fight Night

660
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: card for the UFC, And sure enough, third round he

661
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: goes right back to it. Dude, He's got vicious ground

662
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: and pound from that particular position. So to me that

663
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: he was taking his time using weapons he knows he has.

664
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: I think he had a size advantage even though there

665
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: were both two hundred and five pounds. He just looked

666
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: to be the much more physical guy between them, certainly

667
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: in the wrestling department. That's going to be true. Here

668
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: you see the example, he tried that terrible keylock, which

669
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: was never gonna work. He didn't do it correctly at all.

670
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: But aside from that, I would.

671
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: Guess he knows more about keylocks than you do. So

672
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: why don't you watch that tone around yoel right.

673
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: It looks to me like he doesn't. Actually, I would

674
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: actually say he doesn't. That was a very poorly applied

675
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: a version of one he assumed.

676
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: Boy see you as soon.

677
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually would say that might be the one

678
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: thing I know more in combat sports than him. But

679
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: for sure, his paint brush is not good. But short

680
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: of that, he did look great. He had a lot

681
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: of things that went from and again I like the

682
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: measured approach. I don't buy one eighty five as a

683
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: path for him at this stage's career. Close.

684
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: Okay, what are you buying beyond your fears that he's

685
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: not going to make weight? Luke Thomas, why are you

686
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: not buying that?

687
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: That's the only fear that I have, and I don't

688
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: think it's even physically possible, dude. Not only did he

689
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: look bigger in the sense that he had filled out

690
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: at two or five. You can see guys who you know,

691
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: go up a weight class and they look a little bit,

692
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, they don't look as drained. It wasn't just

693
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: that he didn't look as drained. It looked to me

694
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: like he had packed on muscle. It looked to me

695
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: like he had actually not just said, well, I'm not

696
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: gonna as I'm not going to just deplete myself. I'm

697
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: going to actually add a ton more muscle on top

698
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: of it. But what is he closer to fifty than

699
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: he is forty? This pint right at the midway point,

700
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: right around it. Dude, he's not making one eighty five.

701
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that it's possible. I don't believe

702
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: he has the interest. I know he's talked about it.

703
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I understand that. I understand he keeps these.

704
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: Does he have two hands that flame lit?

705
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: But does he have two hands?

706
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm asking you a serious question. Does he have two hands?

707
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: Yes?

708
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: Anything as possible?

709
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: Go okay. I don't know what that means, but to me,

710
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: the question no.

711
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: Murphy ESPN Interview. Look, come on, get back in it here,

712
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: Please stay with me.

713
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: I can see your hands. I don't know what you're doing.

714
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: It's a blues riff in g watch me for the

715
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: changes and try to keep up.

716
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: Okay, look, come on, Okay, terrible but all right. But

717
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make here is I don't

718
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm not even disagreeing with you that there would be

719
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: fun fights if they could make them at one eighty five.

720
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: The Johnny Evelin one is very interesting. I just really don't.

721
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: I just don't buy it. I'll believe it when I

722
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: see it. BC, if they sign a one eighty five

723
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: pound fight and he makes it and they give him,

724
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, I will, I will retract this concern that

725
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: I have.

726
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: But this is the same tone you use when talking

727
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 2: about your lack of belief in a deity. Just so

728
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: you know, maybe soldier of God, maybe it. Maybe there's

729
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: a connection there.

730
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean well placed skepticism. I might add well placed.

731
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: But b C, wouldn't you who Okay, at this point,

732
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: at two a five, who would you favor Ryan Bater

733
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: or you all Romero?

734
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: Okay, but that's not that's not in play at the moment.

735
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: I would favor better. But you know, look does he Okay, Look,

736
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: you know, get Floyd, get Bill Cosey. The proof is

737
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: gonna be in the putt and pops, Luke. Okay, in

738
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: terms of him making it, we get it. Separate from that,

739
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: I get that, there's no separate from that. If he

740
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: doesn't make it, I get that, Okay, Separate from that.

741
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: Is it gonna be more competitive in the belt or

742
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: promotion at one eighty five or two of five right now,

743
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 2: don't you think from that two fight experience? Yeah, so

744
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: that from that two fight experience, one eighty five is

745
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: gonna be the better use of his skill set of

746
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: what's left. Look, it's gonna be on him and his team. Hey,

747
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: if they need if they need help, I got a

748
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: guy in Las Vegas. They call him Chef kaz Kas Luke. Okay,

749
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: he'll put he'll put them were balls on you. Okay,

750
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: he will, he will. But that guy will meal plan

751
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: for he'll move into your house or probably sleep in

752
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: your bed. But that guy is on top of his game.

753
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: There are experts out there, Luke. Okay, if Joey grabs

754
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: one of those experts, don't count him out yet.

755
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, let me ask you level of confidence he

756
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: can make.

757
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: Well. I mean I would be stupid to say, yeah, Luke,

758
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: I'm right here. I mean, I'm certainly more confident in

759
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: the lord above Luke, because I speak to him on

760
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: the rag. But this soldier of God, I have less

761
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: confidence because if he can't make that weight and you

762
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: havec title fights, what are we doing? Bro? But Luke,

763
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: he's already announced it. He's got no other choice, right.

764
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: It's like when you put on that Christmas weight and

765
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: you go up on Facebook and like everybody, I'm getting

766
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: in shape. Now, Okay, I'll put it out there so

767
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: that you can hold me accountable. It's up to him

768
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: to prove that, Luke. But I do think it's the

769
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: right direction. Right now. We're naturally skeptical. Guy that age

770
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: cutting down, but we don't see guys that age look

771
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: like that, fight like that, act like that. He's an alien.

772
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: Okay, he is an alien.

773
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: I will say that.

774
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: I certainly share your sentiment that his talent would be

775
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: better use the one A five. Color me deeply skeptical

776
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: he ever goes back there or makes the weight. I

777
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: mean they might make, you know, they might make a fight.

778
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: He makes one eighty seven or eighty eight or something.

779
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't buy he can make one five.

780
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: Some people don't come around to the truth until their

781
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: last breath, Luke, so I'll be there during your last

782
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: one and we can rejoice together.

783
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a little weird in terms of Melvin Manhoof

784
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: that he appeared, he took his gloves off. This is

785
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: the last fight, which I'm very glad to see. He

786
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: has taken an absolute metric ton of abuse over the

787
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: course of his career. What would you say about the

788
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: career of Melvin Manhoof that stands out to you?

789
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he did take a big victory lap here. Look, okay,

790
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: I know was his moment, but he was like Jeffrey

791
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: Leonard in the eighty seven NLCS Luke one flap down

792
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: walking around the bases. But no, look, Melvin Manhoof deserved that.

793
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 2: It was great to see his family in the cage.

794
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: He's an old school gun slinger. I mean an old, old,

795
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: old school gun slinger. It didn't matter the promotion, the

796
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: variation of what you know, combat sport were fight is

797
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: a kickboxing is it? Whatever? He came there willing to

798
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: live by the sword and die by the sword every

799
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: single time, and he would have done that in this fight.

800
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: If you know, Ramero wasn't taking him down. It feels

801
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: like he hung on a little bit too long, but

802
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: he was still knocking fools out just you know, just

803
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: on his recent win streak. Luke, he's one of the

804
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: most sort of like attraction guys. You know, he's on

805
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: the card, he's either gonna knock you out or you're

806
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: gonna knock him the hell out, but it's probably gonna

807
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: happen quick. And and you know, he covers so many

808
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: eras and generations. I mean, he's got knockouts of Mark Hunt.

809
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it was it was like I

810
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 2: almost got emotional seeing him get emotional because you realize

811
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 2: he was around back when most of us started watching

812
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: this game in the beginning, right, So it's like to

813
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: see those guys who did hang on to almost fifty

814
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: finally walk away. I was happy he walked away on

815
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: his own terms. It turned into a lengthy celebration, Luke.

816
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 2: But can you argue against that after what he's done,

817
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: after what he's endured. He's been all about delighting the

818
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 2: fans in the kind of currency that is the most

819
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: basic and easy to understand. I got this and I'm

820
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: going to try to land it on your chim before

821
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: you landed on mine. This guy was one of the

822
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: most exciting to do that. I've really enjoyed his career. Okay,

823
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: that's that's such me giving you real sentiment. He didn't

824
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: take a long victory lap though, Luke.

825
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: Okay, it turned into the guy made his pro debut

826
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five. Nineteen ninety five, dude, I was

827
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: what fourteen or fifteen at that time and he was

828
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: making his pro debut in the Netherlands. That is just

829
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: a remarkable run. And he's got wins over some huge

830
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: names in the sports cyborg Santos as we mentioned the

831
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: Machine from england Ian Freeman, He's got wins over by

832
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: the way, Kazushi Saka Raba, Kazuwomasaki, Dennis Kang, and on

833
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. He beat a lot

834
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: of really good guys and he'd lost a lot of

835
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: fights along the way too. He had a bit of

836
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: a record where he was just you know, fight whoever

837
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: you want. But Melvin was one of those guys who

838
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: was terrifying to go against, right, terrifying to watch, terrifying

839
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: knockout power. When he put guys out, they went out.

840
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: There was no doubt about it. I mean, he was

841
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: such a heavy hitter, a relentless pursuit of aggression. He

842
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: would walk out with his trainer from Mike's Jim with

843
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: the collar around his neck. I don't know if you

844
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: remember that he used to do that all the time

845
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: in both kickboxing and MMA. I mean, he was just

846
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: an absolute savage, one of the early terrifying knockout guys,

847
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: and again beating Mark Hunt with basically a one shot

848
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: in the way that he did, he did a lot

849
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: in his career, but obviously he took an absurd amount

850
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: of damage. I am very glad to see that this

851
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: is the end. Well, I really hope it's the end,

852
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's medically advisable for him to continue.

853
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: So glad to see that he had he was able

854
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: to go out on his own terms in that way.

855
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: All right, BC? Who else at Belatore two? Ity three?

856
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: Topic number three? Who else on this card? Anybody else

857
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: on this Belatore card stand out to you? Some of

858
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: the Irish did well, some not so well. Bit of

859
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: a mixed bag in that regard, but give me the BC.

860
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: I've got my eye on this person.

861
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Belter two eighty five, and BC's got

862
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: a shot out Pedro. Carvallio had lost three or four

863
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: coming in, had been in the title level before a

864
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: featherweight and the Grand Prix got sent to hell in

865
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: one round by Patricio Pippoll Luke. He came in against

866
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: a hungry Mad's Burnell who had lost just once in

867
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: his last nine and was looking to bounce back from that,

868
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: and Carvallo showed out Luke. This was it not an

869
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: easy fight. There's a lot of hard clinch work Mad's Burnell,

870
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: you know what. That boxing style is always looking to

871
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: get in your grill and make you fight, and in

872
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: some ways this was a much much needed win to

873
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, create some distance from the idea

874
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: that he's going in that other direction. Carvagio is still

875
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: like twenty eight years old, and he showed the grit

876
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: and toughness against a still very viable, you know, title

877
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: contender here in Burnell that it was must win and

878
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: he delivered. I have to say it was gritty and

879
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: could the decision have gone either way? No, A favorite

880
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: Carvalio in the end, and I was happy that the

881
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: dude's rewarded.

882
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: I would agree. I thought Patrick Carvallo looked good and

883
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta say he's got wins now over

884
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: Daniel Weischel and Mad's Burnell. The Mads Burnell win might

885
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: be his best of his career twenty seven years old.

886
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the difference. Obviously, different fighter, a different situation,

887
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: but to be clear, he was able to stop the

888
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: takedown from a guy like Mads or a bare minimum

889
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: if he got taken down, to continue the scramble, to

890
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: not simply accept position, eventually break contact, get back to

891
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: his feet, separate, and then the fight we keep going.

892
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: And dude Burnell started to gas at the end of

893
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: the second I think he punted on the third round.

894
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: He had nothing there at all. This was the kind

895
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: of performance you need to go up against a guy

896
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: like Burnell, who is who can strike. But I thought

897
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: Carvogio was the better striker of the two. And then

898
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: on top of that, just never ever giving up the

899
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: position fully, never, just constantly making the guy work for

900
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: Although I will say one thing that really surprised me,

901
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: but Burnell's like why was a guy like Carvagio able

902
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: to do it well? Carvaglio was well trained to everything

903
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: he was supposed to do. It's not a knock on him.

904
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: He executed everything along the way that they had clearly

905
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: planned for. Shouts to Patrick, Carvallo should be very proud

906
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: of himself. But I'm surprised that MADD's Burnell and going

907
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: for some of these takedowns he would get he was

908
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: able to get obviously a hip or the rear end

909
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: or the back in certain ways of Carvaglio to the mat,

910
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: and then as there was a turn, he was never

911
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: capturing the wrist, the posting hands of Carvaglio, and it's like,

912
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: you got to do that. I mean, why was Carvallo

913
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: consistently able to stand Because he could get a leg

914
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: up and a hand on the mat and he could

915
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: basically just push his weight up. You got to be

916
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: able to take those pieces away along the process, and

917
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: he wasn't letting him. So it just kept going back

918
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 1: to these scrambles over and over and over and over again,

919
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: and it tired Madds Burnell up. Carvoglio had plenty of energy.

920
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: So it's a great win by Carvaglio. He did everything

921
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: I thought he could do. I didn't know that he

922
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 1: was going to and he did. He did very very

923
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: promising turn, I'll say in his career BC twenty ten

924
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: years old.

925
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 2: I feel like tried too hard to make a statement.

926
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: You can see he was rushing, he was really trying

927
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: to make this a boxing match, a physical fight. Was

928
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: pushed in the pace, and you know, I liked when

929
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: he took the fight to the ground. It opened up

930
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: potential opportunities that Carvalla closed. But you know, I thought,

931
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: for Bernel, he's gonna have to go back to the

932
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: drawing board now. Two losses at the you know, fairly

933
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: elite level here, one to Boris, who is now going

934
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 2: to be fighting for the title this weekend, of course,

935
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: but this was not the best of Mads Bernell. I

936
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: thought he got a little ahead of the skis a

937
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: few times, and luckily for Carvio, he was you know,

938
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: he was game enough to use that against him and

939
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: get a big win that he needed.

940
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. I thought he was

941
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: just I wonder if he took not Carvolio lightly, but

942
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: not in the totality of like, oh, he's an easy

943
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: guy to be. But I do think I wonder, I'll

944
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: put it that way. I wonder if he looked at

945
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: this and thought, oh, well, once it gets to the ground,

946
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm fine, and he wasn't he was, He did not.

947
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: He was just not able to do enough. And by

948
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: the way, I know some people got bitter because there

949
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: was one thirty twenty seven scorecar You know, I had

950
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: the first round for Mads Burnell. But if you go

951
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: back and you just watch the control that he had,

952
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: he had hardly any grounded pound BC, he had hardly

953
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: anything he was doing with it. And you could say

954
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: what you want about the scoring criteria and whether or

955
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: not they should value grappling more and blah blah blah,

956
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: blah blah. We've been over to a million times. They

957
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: may or may not, but just in terms of the

958
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: way it's scored, I don't necessarily agree that Carvaglio won

959
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: the first round. I don't think it's all that crazy.

960
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: I really don't, and I definitely think he won the

961
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: thirty and there's a pretty clearly he won the second

962
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: as well. That thirty twenty seven is not so crazy

963
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: to me. So when you think about that and how

964
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: well he did, man, that was a nice turn for

965
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: the career of patric Valuo. He's got a future in

966
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: front of him. He's not even close to his prime

967
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: yet and he can see he's beginning to put a

968
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: lot of the pieces of the puzzle of his game

969
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: together in a really nice, comprehensive way.

970
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: You know, Burnell had told me that in that Instagram

971
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 2: live takeover interview I did where he said that he

972
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: felt like he wasn't sure what the judges were seeing

973
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: in the Boritz loss that I think he wanted to

974
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: take it into his own hands, and it played out

975
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: against him. Look, I've got a question for you regarding

976
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 2: the rest of this card. Are you ready for it?

977
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: Are you prepared for this? I don't know, but I'll try, Okay.

978
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: Look, the main card opened with local guys, local ish

979
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: guys sort of taking on heavy damage and making huge comebacks.

980
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: It was Kiar and Clark against Jafel Hudson Hootson, excuse me.

981
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: And it was Carl Moore against Carl Albrikson in the

982
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: Battle of the Carls, and both were exciting as shit.

983
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: Both got the crowd doing backflips. So luke this whole

984
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 2: idea that everybody's tweeting that, Hey, Bellator, forget Thacker Villa, Oklahoma.

985
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: You had a good run there, dude. You're packing, you know,

986
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: and it's not like this is Belatour's second time here.

987
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: They're doing like six shows a year, so they're making

988
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: this already a pointed effort. But my question to you is, Luke,

989
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: when they go back to their own war room, how

990
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: much should the Bellator business model be seriously seriously considering

991
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: this as a like regular regular stop meaning almost setting

992
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: up shot up for you know, half the year there,

993
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: knowing that if they can keep pulling these exciting yet vulnerable,

994
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: hungry young fighters. Dude, those fights were compelling entertainment that

995
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: you could feel through the screen. You need aggressive people

996
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: who are gonna run into traffic and get in crazy

997
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: moments and find a way to win it. But there

998
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: seems to be those in plethora in Ireland in the UK.

999
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: Do you think Bellatorn companies should should make a formal

1000
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: announcement that, like, our business model is really gonna surround

1001
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: the idea of making Dublin this special and this great

1002
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: you know, every other month, every once in a while.

1003
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you do if you're Scott Cocher

1004
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: and company? Because we know the sports on fire over there,

1005
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: is that an opening for Bellator?

1006
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: It's an interesting question. Here's the hold up. Two big

1007
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: challenges you face if you're belator. It's one thing to

1008
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we can find Irish guys to put

1009
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: on the card, because you do want some hometown talent.

1010
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: How many guys do they have who could really headline

1011
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: meaningful bouts against other you know, doesn't have to be

1012
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: a non Irish guy, but just from whoever else is

1013
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: in the stable. How many people can they do that? Way?

1014
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: They they gave quickly an opportunity here against Benson Henderson.

1015
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: He was found himself wanting a little bit here. So

1016
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: that's one challenge. The other challenge is just from a

1017
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: logistical standpoint, like they could go to Belltor in Dublin

1018
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: maybe as often as they wanted, to be honest to

1019
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: your point, because that Irish crowd and I've told that,

1020
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: like the reason why they're big and successful in Ireland

1021
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: is you know they're putting on a good show or whatever,

1022
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: but that they really invested in the Irish market in

1023
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: the way the UFC just never did. And you can

1024
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: see the consequences of that. Like they have a good

1025
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: foothold in this market. God bless them for it. It's

1026
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: a great thing to see, but like, is it really

1027
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: best for your ratings? For showtime, and I don't know

1028
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: what they are, I've not seen them. If you're on

1029
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: at four in the afternoon versus you know, at nine

1030
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: or ten o'clock at night. I wonder if there is

1031
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: a trade off where, yeah, you can go to Bellatore

1032
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: in Dublin sometimes because you can do a great live

1033
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: crowd experience. It looks good on television, but you know,

1034
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: there's a bit of a trade off there at four

1035
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: pm in terms of what you can reasonably pull in

1036
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: for that West Coast audience who at one pm is

1037
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: just all going to be at work, right, that's a

1038
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: huge portion of it. And obviously the East Coast audience

1039
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: at four isn't off much better. And you get you

1040
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: get the idea, there's some challenges there about what you

1041
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: could bring in so like from an audience participation, from

1042
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: like an investment in this market, Bellatore is reaping the

1043
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: rewards that they have invested, but in terms of going forward,

1044
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: how much more could they do? There are a couple

1045
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: of challenges and obstacles along the way.

1046
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Yeah, it does, and it's it's

1047
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: it's a legitimate counter question. But I have seen a

1048
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: lot of our donks from that area, and there are

1049
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: plenty Morning Combat fans out there. I mean they are

1050
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: enough for us to do a five thousand seat live

1051
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: show one day in the UK or Island. Luke, I

1052
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: say yes, but they've said, look bellatour's like front page

1053
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: news here when they come around, you know what I mean.

1054
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 2: Like on the level with UFC, that's interesting, Luke.

1055
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 1: It is interesting. And again like they have they have

1056
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: really really their success in that market is in no

1057
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: way accidental. It's in no way accidental. The question is

1058
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: how much more is actually available for a product that

1059
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: is predominantly based in North America. It's hard to navigate that.

1060
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: It's hard to navigate that. All right, let's go back

1061
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: to the boxing side of things, the things our audience

1062
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: loves the most here. But I gotta tell you, even

1063
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: though he missed weight on the scales for topic number

1064
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: four on Friday, dude chacker Stevenson, my lord, is he talented?

1065
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: He just demolished Hobson conse sal who you heard andre

1066
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: Ward even say this guy's given up on his game plan.

1067
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: He's just trying to land a big shot, because dude,

1068
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: every time, here's the interesting part about STEVENSONBC he's not

1069
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: heavy handed. That that is a lacking feature of his game.

1070
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: But dude, you're seeing those guys who like throw a

1071
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: frisbee and then they pull the art that they have

1072
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: there an archer, and they pull the arrow back and

1073
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: then they let it go and it goes right through

1074
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the thing that they threw, like just

1075
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: this insane level of accuracy and timing and mechanics. That's

1076
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: him knocking him down, getting a knocked down in the

1077
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: fourth round with a vicious body shot. First question to

1078
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: UBC did he redeem himself with this win? And secondly,

1079
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: just in general, how did he look to you?

1080
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: I think he did. I think he did redeem it.

1081
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: Luke and it's Robesin. That's that's what they're calling him,

1082
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: Luke Robesin.

1083
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeahs it's Hobson.

1084
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: But okay, here's the deal about Robeson. So like the

1085
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: way Shaker could have shut us all up was doing

1086
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: what he's not might not be necessarily suited for what

1087
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: you mentioned. You know, does he have top end power? No,

1088
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: now that did Floyd Mayweather, by the way, just a

1089
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: heads up on that, but true, I think that short

1090
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: of going in there and stopping him This was kind

1091
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: of what I needed to see, now, wasn't that shoe shining?

1092
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 2: Brilliant perfect performance from Stevenson in terms of pure technical

1093
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: boxing and hit and not get hit. But I think

1094
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: we're seeing a market change in who Stevenson is and

1095
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: I think it was fueled by the fact that Hobson

1096
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: can say Sao love him or hate him. Look, he

1097
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: fights like a motherfucker. I love watching this guy swagger

1098
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: the way he comes to the ring. For a guy

1099
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: who was a three time Olympian and at twenty sixteen

1100
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: Olympic gold medalist, he fights as raw, wild and unpredictable

1101
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: as possible, to the point where I think, sometimes to

1102
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: the naked eye, you're like, is this guy even good?

1103
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: Man?

1104
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: He's throwing wild stuff, not necessarily the best technique, but

1105
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: he's so unpredictable that I think for Stevenson, the best

1106
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: strategy was walk him down potch you know, sharp shoot him,

1107
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: pot shot him, and stand with him in trade. And

1108
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: I think we're watching the midst of shaquer Stephenson's evolution

1109
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: from that pure speed Olympic level boxing style that he

1110
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: came into the pros with and more into somebody who's

1111
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: gonna go after it. Now he may not again have

1112
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 2: the knockout power to consistently get all these guys out

1113
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: of there, but the intention to hurt Conseysau and put

1114
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: the pressure on him was so I like to see

1115
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: that and even more Luke, I saw some criticism in

1116
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: like the deep boxing hardcore circles, you know, like deep

1117
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: in my dms of people going okay, but you know,

1118
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: Stevenson wasn't all that sharp, and boy did he follow

1119
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: a lot. He did follow a lot. But you know

1120
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: what cansaysl fights like a motherfucker. He comes in their

1121
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: head first, He comes in there at wild, crazy angles.

1122
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: He's always cocky. Look at the end of the day,

1123
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: is can Saysal gonna be a world beater on the pros,

1124
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: on the level he wasn't the amateurs, probably not. But

1125
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: he's a tough out. And I think for this weird

1126
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: style of fight, and styles always do make fights. Why

1127
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: does Floyd Mayweather say the toughest fight he ever had

1128
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: was against Emmanuel Augustus Because weird styles that are tough

1129
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: to pick up, that are physical and dirty, it's tough.

1130
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: But I saw Shaker Stevenson who was willing to dig

1131
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: in and meet that style head on. He never got bullied,

1132
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: he never got dominated physically, and to your point, the accuracy,

1133
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: even when he's walking you down with single hard shots.

1134
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: He's gonna need the complete, well rounded game to always

1135
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: offset the fact that he's not a huge puncher. But

1136
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 2: the direction he's going to get there, I think this

1137
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: performance was only him adding on to what he already

1138
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: does great. Now, am I giving him a huge you know,

1139
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: great on a curve and not necessarily damning him for

1140
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: not making wade and you know the lack of professionalism

1141
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: that comes with that. Yeah, I'm doing that to a

1142
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: certain degree. Why because Luke, he's great and you know talent.

1143
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: You know that exclusive club, it has its privileges. We

1144
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: give them a little bit of grace and you know,

1145
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: an extra longer leash here. Yeah, I saw enough to

1146
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: know that the way thing's not going to be a problem.

1147
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: He's ready for the lightweights. And to see him get

1148
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: on the microphone afterwards and be like, who do you want?

1149
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: Who do I want? Devin Haney? I want the champion.

1150
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: Let's make this happen. I love everything that's about to

1151
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 2: happen next, Luke, do you echo any of my sentiments

1152
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: that we're watching him from the Valdez fight through this

1153
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: one be a lot more offensive. You know, he's taller

1154
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 2: and longer than a lot of these guys, deceptively kind

1155
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: of like Floyd in that regard. So look, is he

1156
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 2: a South Paul Floyd Mayweather. He might be a South

1157
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: Paul pretty flood boy Floyd Mayweather. We haven't seen him

1158
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: evolve into the money may way. Oh, by the way,

1159
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 2: no one's going to be made, whether everyone is their own.

1160
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: But shaquerse Stevenson is something very special. And this new

1161
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: switch to walking guys down, I can get behind it.

1162
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: I can get behind it as well. And dude, Conseil

1163
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Sau got wild eventually, but if you look at the

1164
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: early rounds, what he was trying to do was counter

1165
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: the jab of Stevenson, and he was actually, like, I'm

1166
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: not gonna say, super effective at it, but he was

1167
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: a little bit annoying Shaquers Stevenson because he was throwing

1168
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: these hooks around it and Stevenson was getting touched up.

1169
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: So he found ways around it where he was able

1170
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: to draw out reactions or that you know, you see

1171
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: you saw consee sal kind of pumping his jab in

1172
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: a rhythmic way, and then you saw Stevenson getting in

1173
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: between it. Dude, he is just an operator, man. He

1174
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: is a skilled, smooth operator. It's unbelievable to watch what

1175
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: he can do. And I know there was some questions

1176
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: about the body shot. Knockdown shouldn't have been one. It

1177
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: didn't matter. He dumbed him on every other round. Did

1178
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: you give a single round to Conseil Sau at all

1179
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: in this fight?

1180
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: I didn't. Yeah, I thought that with his daring style,

1181
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: there were times like you mention, where he would like

1182
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: counter shots and he was always kind of in it,

1183
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: but on the scorecards never and looked that body shot

1184
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: in real time. I thought it was a slip or

1185
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: a foul or something. Did you see those slow more replays, Dude,

1186
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: that was sharp, shooting as shit, right down to the

1187
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: lower solar plexes there, Dude, that's just he's a surgeon

1188
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: in there.

1189
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: Dude, he's he's truly Like everyone says this kind of thing,

1190
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: usually by like crazy action fights, but it's true with

1191
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: him because everything is so precise, it's quick. If you blink,

1192
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: you actually might miss it. If you blink you'd actually

1193
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: don't see all the little tiny intricate details, and part

1194
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: of it was the camera angle on that particular fourth

1195
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: round contest when they slowed it down. Dude, that was

1196
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: a vicious shot right to the solar plexus, and I

1197
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: don't think Concee Sal wanted any part of it. And

1198
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: also on the fouling, yes, there was a lot of fouling,

1199
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: but it was Southpaw versus Orthodox, so there was a

1200
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: head clash, a few head clashes actually along the way.

1201
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: That is somewhat of an inevitability given that particular matchup,

1202
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: But in general I thought it was interesting. Conseil South.

1203
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: Would really impress me about Stevenson is Yes, you look

1204
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: at a scorecard, it's like, oh, well he was just

1205
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: winning the whole way through. Yeah, but he had to

1206
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: get around an early problem. Right. This is what I

1207
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: talk about all the time in combat sports, whether it's

1208
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: MMA or whether it's boxing. It is one thing to

1209
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: fight a guy and they have a great game plan,

1210
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: or if it's a rematch, to see what they do

1211
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: differently the second time. The true mark of an elite talent,

1212
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: the very clear indication you're dealing with somebody different is

1213
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: if in real time some problem emerges and then they

1214
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: diagnose it and then problem solve effectively by going to

1215
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: a different part of their game that still manages to have,

1216
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, roughly at the end point, the same kind

1217
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: of effect where he's just winning the round cleanly outright.

1218
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: You saw that from Shaquer Stevenson. He problem solves other

1219
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: elite guys in real time. I can't say much more

1220
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: about him than that to tell you just how special

1221
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 1: this guy is. Now, BC take us to the second

1222
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: part of this topic, which is who should he fight next?

1223
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: I know the Devin Haney thing is what he called out,

1224
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: but Devin Haney's got business with cambosis. Who the hell

1225
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: knows was going to happen there? And this just he's

1226
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: a little bit occupied at the moment. Let's assume for

1227
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: the sake of argument, that's not on the table now.

1228
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: Who does he fight? Who should he fight? Who will

1229
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 1: he fight?

1230
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: So here's the deal. The great news here is that

1231
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: we've been saying forever that we've got this core of

1232
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 2: you know, the four Princesses, karamelve An he would call him,

1233
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: you know, this next great generation of young fighters. Well, look,

1234
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: Tayo Fimo Lopez moved up to one forty already Jervonte

1235
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: Davis and Ryan Garcia are kind of both threatening to

1236
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: do the same. But we've said for a long time,

1237
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 2: Shakurz coming right now. You've got three big ones at lightweight,

1238
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: and the great news is that they're all under the

1239
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: same promotion and network ESPN and top rank. Here it's

1240
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: Devin Haney, who has all four world titles, who's going

1241
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: to be rematching George Cambosis in October. It's Vasili Lomachenko,

1242
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: the former champion, who's going to come back against unbeaten

1243
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: Jim Ortiz and Luke. It would seem right now that

1244
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: all signs are pointing toward the idea of those two

1245
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: winners facing each other. Devin Haney if he gets by

1246
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: campbosas in the true true test of his young career

1247
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: at twenty three against the former pomp pound king Vasilli Lomachenko,

1248
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to get in the way of that.

1249
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure Bob Aaron doesn't either. Let's do that. That

1250
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: would be setting up whoever comes out of that to

1251
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: essentially be facing Shaquurse Stevenson if he can climb the

1252
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: lightweight ladder now that he's moving up somewhere, maybe next

1253
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: year in some kind of like true two young stars.

1254
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: I mean, look the way that could play out. Could

1255
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: you freaking imagine the idea of Hani against Stevenson or

1256
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: Lomachenko against Stevenson for all four belts on pay per

1257
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: view sometime late next year. I mean, it'd be incredible.

1258
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: So but the meantime problem here. The good news is

1259
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: that Top Rank has head good business here at lightweight

1260
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: and think of all the tough opponents that have fought

1261
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 2: you know, Lomachenko in recent years. Who could he fight.

1262
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him fight that same ilk. I'd

1263
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 2: like to see him fight the you know, the Sniper Padrazas,

1264
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: the the who am I missing?

1265
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: Who?

1266
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: Who?

1267
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: Uh?

1268
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: You know? The Jorge Lenaris. Is that that level of

1269
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 2: tough out guys in this area. I want you curse

1270
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: Stevenson to come into lightweight and make a big statement

1271
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: against a big name. Hopefully Top Rank will do that,

1272
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: but I think, Luke, it's more about setting up those

1273
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: those chest pawns and getting it ready for that big

1274
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: summit next year. I mean, could God, Luke, if I

1275
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: told you that we're on the way to potentially the

1276
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: winner of Hani and Lomachenko against Sha Chris Stevenson for

1277
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: all four Belts and a like, dude, I like that's

1278
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: one of the like, you know, I always make fun

1279
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 2: of people as much as I'm a star Wars NERD.

1280
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: Remember when the you know, when episodes one through three

1281
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: came out in the late nineties and people were like

1282
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: camping outside the theater for like a month before the

1283
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: first you know, before episode one came out. They must

1284
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: have been real happy to see jar jarr after spending

1285
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: a month on that sidewalk. Luke, I might join them,

1286
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: I might find out, you know, you're in advance where

1287
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna end up making that fight, and you know

1288
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: you could join me in the tent too. This is great,

1289
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: This is exactly. I mean, how many times, Luke, do

1290
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: we have to wait when young stud versus young studd

1291
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,479
Speaker 2: o both unbeaten like to fight until they're like thirty

1292
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: four to thirty five, like Spence in Crawford. Right now,

1293
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 2: looks like we're real close to getting it, but damn

1294
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 2: we had to wait. Mayweather Pacielle like terms, how many

1295
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: wins do you think Shakur would need to face the

1296
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: winner of Hainy and Loma if we get there? I mean,

1297
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: these are great exciting times that not only would you

1298
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: know decipher who's the king of this loaded lightweight division,

1299
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: the winner man have being the powfer pound king coming

1300
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: out of that? Am I speaking crazy talk here, Luke?

1301
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you're speaking crazy at all. Now, Again,

1302
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: it really depends on what kind of matchups they can

1303
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: make and how quickly and in what order, And that

1304
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: uncertainty makes certainty about our proclamations a little bit, you know, undercut.

1305
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: But if I read to you.

1306
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: The top ten at lightweight at the moment, would you

1307
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: pick an opponent here?

1308
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: Luke?

1309
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, let's do it, Okay, I'm going to

1310
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: the ESPN dot com rankings. I think this is a Mike.

1311
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: Cox the way. Have you ever waited in line in

1312
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: the morning before a store opened for Black Friday?

1313
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: No?

1314
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: No, no, okay, I mean I feel like if you've

1315
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: done that, you're definitely a d J in right, Like.

1316
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: Ya, dude, I'm not into that life at all, all right?

1317
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: Lightweight number one on ESPN's rankings. Devin Haney, two, is Lomachenko,

1318
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: three Jervonte for Cambosis Tao Who's moved up? Joseph Diaz

1319
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: Junior at six, although harder fight to make Esock Cruise

1320
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: at seven, Gustavo Limos at eight or abdulaev In Javier

1321
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: Fortuna rounding out that top ten.

1322
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I don't know if they can

1323
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: make it because of the you know, the because one

1324
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: is with top rank and one is with uh PBC.

1325
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: But that Esock Cruise fight. Yeah, that that d would

1326
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: it not?

1327
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or Joseph Diaz Junior, or like I mentioned, Leonar.

1328
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: I think Lenaris and Padrazza may have moved up to

1329
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: one forty. Isn't Padraza setting up to fight Teo Femo?

1330
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1331
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: I think that's right. Yes, all right, Look, we're going

1332
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: to be the case. There's a lot of interesting fun options

1333
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: for him. Sucks that he lost his titles that way,

1334
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: and it was not a very professional moment, but I

1335
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: don't think it will define his career in any kind

1336
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: of significant long term way. All right, BC, last but

1337
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: not least, I poo pooed. This fight ended up being

1338
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 1: pretty great, So joke's on me. I suppose topic number five,

1339
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: how about Joe Joyce and old Joseph Parker. Wow, this

1340
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: was actually a lot of fun over the weekend Joe

1341
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: Joyce getting the win via eleventh round stoppage and dude,

1342
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: this fight, PC Parker was drilling him with heavy shots

1343
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: and Joyce just kept marching, marching, marching, found the mark

1344
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: over and over as a consequence, both guys finding the mark.

1345
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: But it was Joyce who was a little bit slicker,

1346
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more taking control of the fight and

1347
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: he gets the win. What did he prove with this?

1348
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: He proved a lot, Luke. Look, I had a lot

1349
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: of people in my dms from the UK going, you're

1350
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: gonna eat some crow about you, and Luke, you know,

1351
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: kinda whatever. Look at coming in, I thought, Joe Joyce

1352
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: is a juggernaut, but he's a slow juggernaut that would

1353
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: get pieced up by a Joseph Parker who can box,

1354
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 2: who's been at this level before and is still, by

1355
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: the way, only thirty years old and trains with Tyson Fury.

1356
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: Yet it was Joe Joyce who jumped through the screen

1357
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 2: en route to an eleventh round knockout stoppage in you know,

1358
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: a back and forth, tremendous fight. So the question is

1359
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: how did he do it and what did he do

1360
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: specifically that blew me away like I can give you

1361
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 2: a list here, Luke. I was over joyed to see

1362
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: Ismaeles Salass in his corner, the longtime Cuban national trainer

1363
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 2: who's you know, the brains behind behind Felix savone, three

1364
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: time gold medalist out of Cuba. He's been a sort

1365
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: of hipster, you know, seek out professional coach for a

1366
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: lot of boxers, but he normally is the trainer for slickboxers.

1367
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that he had a relationship with Joyce

1368
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: coming out of the amateurs that he'd been in his

1369
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 2: corner on and off in recent years, and sometimes illness

1370
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: or COVID or long break Scott in the way. Well

1371
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: they got back together for this and you saw immediate changes.

1372
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: Joe Joyce is still a bit slow and plotting, but

1373
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: his ability to cut off the ring and consistently use

1374
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: that jab as a weapon. But here's the key. He

1375
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: had to have the conditioning to keep up that output

1376
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: to really make the jab a weapon that Parker couldn't

1377
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: avoid constantly. That mixed, like I said, with shutting down

1378
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: the ring, cornering him and then being able to land

1379
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: a larger variety of offensive shots that we've ever given

1380
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: him credit for having short right uppercuts, check left sweeping hooks.

1381
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: He has added a lot of craft to his you know,

1382
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: raw sometimes barbaric form. This is not the same fighter

1383
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: that walked down and stop Daniel Dubois and that Unbeaten

1384
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: versus Unbeaten showdown. This is a fighter who really looks

1385
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: ready for a title shot. He secured one here by

1386
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: getting the interim strap in the WBO, which will essentially

1387
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: make him a mandatory for Alexander Usik. And you know,

1388
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: we'll see how that plays out with Tyson Fury and

1389
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: all that. But Luke Joe Joyce is for real. It

1390
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 2: doesn't matter that he's thirty seven. He's what fifteen to

1391
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: oher with fourteen KOs. I think Selass deserves a lot

1392
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: of credit for taking him forming the clay and actually

1393
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: figuring out look. He had to take big shots to

1394
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: do that. Joseph Parker got to a point midway through

1395
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: this fight where he realized, I'm gonna have to start

1396
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 2: landing that right hand. He was finding creative ways to

1397
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: land it. Joe Joyce wasn't blinking. He was walking him down,

1398
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: cornering him, muscling him, and hurting him consistently I'll rightfully

1399
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: eat Crow to add another legitimate heavyweight title contender to

1400
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: this group in this renaissance era. His name is Joe

1401
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: Joyce and none other. As you can see there, then

1402
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury was impressed. Tyson is in the camp of

1403
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: Joe Parker. They become good friends.

1404
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: Dude.

1405
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: This is not the Joe Joyce that we were once

1406
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: introduced for. Remember when he was on the Wilder Versus

1407
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: Fury one Showtime pay per view undercard. That was a

1408
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: different Joe Joyce. That was the guy where you're like, man,

1409
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 2: you know he's all right, but he kind of comes

1410
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: across that ring glacially slow. Dude. There's a pep in

1411
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: his step now, but to be that big you need

1412
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: a gas tank. He's got it now. I am thoroughly

1413
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: impressed by what he did to somebody that doesn't get

1414
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 2: handled like that. I mean, Parker's been stopped before, but

1415
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: you don't thoroughly beat him start to finish like that.

1416
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,959
Speaker 2: Maybe only Anthony Joshua did. I mean, that was very

1417
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 2: impressive from Joe Joyce.

1418
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: So I don't have much to add. I agree with

1419
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: all of that. Again, I'll be clear, I'll eat Crow

1420
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: on this one. I poop pooed. The fight not only

1421
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: was much better, but to your point, it actually proved

1422
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: a fair amount for a significant and relevant portion of

1423
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: the heavyweight division. Fair enough. My error won't be the

1424
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: last one, certainly not the first one. My only question BC,

1425
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: and this is the only part I have. I agree.

1426
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: He looked like he had the gas tank, and again,

1427
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: by the way he the smart guys, they have a

1428
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: big gas tank, but they still apportion it the right way.

1429
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: So there was I thought that was in play, even

1430
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: though he was using a lot to march down Parker

1431
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: the whole time. But what about the other part of

1432
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: the story. He did to me look much offensively slicker.

1433
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: In fact, look at the way he set up that

1434
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: final shot where he leans with one shoulder and then

1435
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: comes around with the other side. He had he had

1436
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: Parker totally tricked. Awesome. He did take a bunch big shots.

1437
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: Now you could argue, well, he just took him in,

1438
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: so that's the story there. He must have a great chin. Okay,

1439
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: if you want to argue that, that's great, But we're

1440
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: talking about going up against guys where like Usik who

1441
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: could potentially point fight him and move. We're talking about

1442
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: guys like potentially who I mean, who knows if he

1443
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: fights Speary, who knows if he fights Joshuaban. It's hard

1444
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: to say. But what about the idea that on the

1445
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: offensive side he's much smoother, everything's much more put together.

1446
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: On the defensive side, there could still be some problems ahead.

1447
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: Okay, in theory, you're right. Did he have to take

1448
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 2: big shots? He did? Because look, Joseph Parker's good, he's elite,

1449
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: and he tried everything he could to try to slow

1450
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 2: this tank down and it just wasn't possible. He wasn't

1451
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: landing the kind of shots that would make Joyce take

1452
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: a backward step. That's a credit to Joyce. But Luke,

1453
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: I actually have to say his defensive intentions were there.

1454
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 2: There were times that he actually pivoted and swiveled and

1455
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 2: caught shots with his glove. Now again, did he take

1456
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: big right hands? Yet? Joseph Parker hit a fight or

1457
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: flight moment and for the most party, he went for it.

1458
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: This heavyweight boxing, you kind of have to absorb that

1459
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: is your question. Against a more skilled fighter than Joseph Parker,

1460
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: is their potential for him to get lit up and

1461
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 2: take too much damage? Of course, sure, he's not the

1462
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: same hand speed as a Tyson Fury or Alexander Usik,

1463
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: But is anybody else in this division or this era

1464
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 2: ben No. So I think at the very least, did

1465
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: Joe Joyce prove in this fight that he could beat

1466
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 2: Fury or Usik?

1467
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: No?

1468
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: But did he beat did he? Did he prove that

1469
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: he deserves a chance to fight them? Yes? And did

1470
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: he prove that he may be that he's not only

1471
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: right in the mix with that second tier group. I'm

1472
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: talking about the Andy Ruiz's Deontay Wilder, who's gonna have

1473
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: to come back and you know, restart himself. Luis Ortiz

1474
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: still that that second tier group. Yeah, he's in that group, Luke.

1475
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 2: And if he can fight like this like he did

1476
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: against Joe Parker, against those guys, he's a player. Now.

1477
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm not that worried he can take a big shot.

1478
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: He's adding defensive responsibility. But if he can get you

1479
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: and you can't land the type of shot to get

1480
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 2: out of trouble or get him to back up, you

1481
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: may be in trouble here now, Luke. Like I just established,

1482
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: Usik and Fury are on another level. Usik was I'm

1483
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: sorry Fury was at the fight. Afterwards, he said, yeah,

1484
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 2: I'd love to fight this guy. He won't land a

1485
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 2: glove on me in twelve rounds. I saw a post

1486
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: fight interview in the locker room with Joe Joyce where

1487
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: he said, Fury's team's talking to me, they might want

1488
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 2: to do this, Luke. As much as I did not

1489
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 2: like the idea of forcing in a Tyson Fury Anthony

1490
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 2: Joshua fight when Joshua was coming off two defeats and

1491
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: we got this Usik on disputed fight right around the

1492
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 2: corner when Usik's healthy again, you know, beginning in March,

1493
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 2: he says, I think Joe Joyce has earned potentially a

1494
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: chance to cut in even though he's now the mandatory

1495
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: for Usik's WBO title and not Fury's WBC. Would you

1496
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: be upset with some type of short turnaround Tyson Fury

1497
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: against Joe Joyce.

1498
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: That's a tough, okay. If there's a real if there's

1499
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: a if there's a reasonable chance at making Fury versus

1500
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: Joshua a reasonable one, which, by the way, all these

1501
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: deadlines and shit make me feel like maybe there's not.

1502
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: But if there is, then I don't want to see

1503
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: that fight. However, if all of this stuff between Fury

1504
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: and Joshua is just posturing and in fact it will

1505
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: amount to nothing, and now we're kind of back where

1506
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: we started. Do I think Fury taking on a Joye

1507
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: like this is a meaningful fight that he could take

1508
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: next that would be of value to the heavyweight division

1509
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: and value to the consumer? Yeah? Yeah, I do. I

1510
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: Actually again, I was really wrong. I really have to

1511
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: be very straight up about that. Joyce looked very promising

1512
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: in this fight, and I would be okay with that

1513
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,480
Speaker 1: under the right circumstances.

1514
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 2: You Yeah, if those circumstances involved, you know, eighty five

1515
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: thousand in a soccer stadium with two unbeaten guys from

1516
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 2: the UK, Yeah, I would be okay with that. I

1517
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 2: would have to have the understanding that we're building toward

1518
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: the Yusik fight for all four belts. Look, is my

1519
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: fear still that Tyson Fury could just change his mind

1520
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 2: and walk away and give up the titles. You never

1521
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: know what he's gonna do, so that is my compelling

1522
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: long term fear. I want to see Fury Joshua more

1523
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 2: than anybody. I don't want to see it when AJ's

1524
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 2: coming off two losses and we got a bigger fight

1525
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: to make. But Joe Joyce crashing this party is very interesting.

1526
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 2: So I'm happily humbled like yourself to see that. Could

1527
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury going untouched over twelve against Joyce? The old Joyce?

1528
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: I would have said, yeah.

1529
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, right right, this one, I don't know. Hard

1530
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: to say, hard to say. All right, that's it for

1531
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: our top five that we will get to rise in

1532
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: on extra credit and some other stuff. I have some

1533
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,839
Speaker 1: fun stuff planned for that once will be on the lookout.

1534
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: But now is the point where you guys get to

1535
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: ask us questions. Time for dms from dogs. Let's get

1536
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: to have the list here there. Very good?

1537
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he haw, he haw, dude.

1538
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: Hee haw. All right, we'll jump right into it. From

1539
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: at By the way, you guys know, we put up

1540
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: a post on Instagram every Sunday. You guys fill it

1541
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: up the producer's pick questions. There we go. Okay, from

1542
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: at Z dot FRM dot ESP what do you think

1543
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: would be better for the Lightwood division? Olivera continuing his

1544
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: remarkable title reign or Habib's protegee Islam taking the belt

1545
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: and beginning a title reign of his own BC.

1546
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 2: What would be better for the division? Well, are we

1547
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 2: talking about I guess we're talking about from an entertainment standpoint, right, Yeah.

1548
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know if it was from

1549
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: Z dot FRM dot ESP or somebody else, but that's

1550
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: what it's on my sheet here, Okay.

1551
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 2: I think it would be better for well, it's tough

1552
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 2: to say from a marketing standpoint, would be better for

1553
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: olivera who's in these dangerous fights in which he takes

1554
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: damage and then rallies to win and is now out

1555
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: of nowhere kind of, you know, coming on as a

1556
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 2: champion who's got a decorated resume historically, Yeah, it would

1557
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: probably be better for that. I mean, Mahachev is not

1558
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: an overwhelming personality. It seems. It does seem he has

1559
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: potential potential to win one sidedly and not always so exciting,

1560
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm not sure that's gonna happen. And

1561
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 2: also with Habib in his corner, if Mahatchev wins, you

1562
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 2: do get that sort of rub as the next Habib.

1563
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: So I think either situation is great and will create

1564
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 2: great fights, But what's better for the high end marketing

1565
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 2: potential of the division. It's not only Olivera winning, but

1566
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,879
Speaker 2: people bang in that drum to the idea of, hey, Habib,

1567
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 2: how about if you're gonna come out of retirement. And

1568
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 2: I don't think you will, nor do necessarily should you

1569
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 2: because of the you know, the the high terms that

1570
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 2: you're standing on here of obeying your parents, But wouldn't

1571
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 2: that be exciting to like start to bang that drum

1572
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: if Olivera doesn't stop winning? And then it's like, well,

1573
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: who really is the greatest lightweight of all time?

1574
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,919
Speaker 1: There's that, But for me, it's like, I think Olivera

1575
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: would be better one. It'd be better for Brazil, which

1576
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: is a market they're trying to get, you know, back to,

1577
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: and it's, you know, one of the most important markets

1578
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 1: for this sport in the world. There's that. Certainly Russia

1579
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: is important too, but you know, you get the idea here.

1580
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 1: The other part is like, you know, why do people

1581
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: like Olivera? Well, they like his fight style, yes, they

1582
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: like his personality even though he doesn't speak English. But

1583
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: the truth is BC I was thinking about this over

1584
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: the weekend. Actually, a lot of times you see somebody

1585
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: burning through the division, like they become inevitable, like John

1586
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: Jones at to be a two of five champion. John

1587
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: was inevitable. Habib I remember someone asking me, like, who's

1588
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: the next big stars? Was after a UFC two hundred.

1589
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, keep your eyes on this guy, habib I've

1590
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: never got made off. Didn't take a genius to say

1591
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,799
Speaker 1: that because he was inevitable. He was burning through everyone.

1592
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: You could just tell he was destined for it. Olivera

1593
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: was not that guy. Olivera was never the inevitable guy,

1594
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: but he has become something to the point where now

1595
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: he has developed the kind of skill set that someone

1596
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: who you might imagine is inevitable would have. And the

1597
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: fans have really responded to that turnaround. They really really love. Yes,

1598
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: he's got the great submissions and everything else, but he's

1599
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: got so many other exciting components added to his game

1600
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: that just wasn't necessarily a part of a long portion

1601
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: of his story. Charles Olivera was never inevitable. Islam Makachev

1602
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: kind of feels like inevitable light right, Like he's got

1603
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: a lot of like this machine behind him, and of

1604
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 1: course he is quite talented, to be clear, you know,

1605
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: he earned the spot that he's in, but it feels

1606
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of like machinery behind him trying

1607
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 1: to make him inevitable. Charles Olivera had to take the

1608
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: game by the back of the neck and make it

1609
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: his own. And for that reason, and because he's Brazilian

1610
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: and everything, that's an important market, I kind of feel

1611
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: like you'd be better for Olivera one. And to answer

1612
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: that question, who do I personally care about? I don't

1613
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,839
Speaker 1: care about the best man win. Okay, that makes sense.

1614
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 2: It does, it does would, But do you get it?

1615
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 2: Sounds awkward to me to ask you if you get off, Luke,

1616
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 2: But do you get off on the whether realistic or not,

1617
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 2: that banging of the drum for an inevitable habib Olivera

1618
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 2: lightweight summit that'll probably never happen. But do you get

1619
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: off for that idea to like get excited to talk

1620
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 2: about it on this show? I don't think you get

1621
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 2: off for much, Luke.

1622
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 1: You don't know what I get off on number one?

1623
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: Number two? Uh? Either listen, we're talking about the UFC

1624
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 1: lightweight title. Either win here is you know, in some

1625
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: ways hugely important and dramatic, and there might be a rematch.

1626
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: Like there's no wrong answer in terms of what you get,

1627
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: but you're asking me, like, what will be better for

1628
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 1: the for the lightweight division. I think olivera continuing to

1629
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: have a rain mind.

1630
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not what I asked you, Luke about

1631
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 2: how to answering about.

1632
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: How being coming back. I just don't take it seriously. Yeah,

1633
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's okay.

1634
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: So you don't even want to like play with like

1635
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: Dana making a plea and having another dinner with him,

1636
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 2: Like you don't want to go down.

1637
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: The whole shit, and it went nowhere the whole time.

1638
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: It's just dude. Half of let me, let me explain this.

1639
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: Half of being an MMA promoter is playing tricks on

1640
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: your own audience. Half of that is just getting gullible

1641
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: people to buy into bullshit, which is why I come

1642
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: up on here half the shows and I look like

1643
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: an asshole. And sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong, but

1644
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm only trying to act as a safeguard around promote

1645
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,839
Speaker 1: is just lying and trying to trick their own audience

1646
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: into thinking stuff that's not real. That's half the job

1647
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: of a promoter. The other half is actually putting on

1648
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: the real fights and and and everything else. So you know,

1649
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: that whole thing, like, well, what about Hobbe comes back?

1650
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: He might, who's to say, But everything that's been pushing

1651
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: that has been promoter bullshit.

1652
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: So no, remember when we were when we were teenagers

1653
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 2: and Natalie Cole got famous and she was doing concerts

1654
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 2: with a hologram version of her dad, Nat King Cole,

1655
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: And it was like a thing, Luke, Yes, can we

1656
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 2: do a hologram Abdulmann app in the corner to make

1657
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: habib okay about coming back? Or did I just cross

1658
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 2: lines there?

1659
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,799
Speaker 1: You probably cross some lines, all right? From at CLP

1660
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: film with Hamzat's indicated move to twenty eighty five BC,

1661
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:45,799
Speaker 1: how does he fare against Whittaker?

1662
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: That's that's a really, really, really tough fight for him.

1663
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 2: And I think, you know us being somewhat surprised at

1664
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 2: Hamsat saying I don't want to fight that guy. I'd

1665
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: rather train with him. Is like that was the first

1666
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 2: time he stopped being cyborg killer, right like foreign villain

1667
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the movie coming in to kill

1668
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: all of our people, right like that was that was

1669
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 2: a surprising term. But how does matchup? Wise he actually

1670
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: match up? Part of it is we don't actually know

1671
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: because a lot of Hamzat's speed and dominance have come

1672
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: against very good fighters, but not you know, a to

1673
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 2: a plus level, which certainly Robert Robert Whitaker, a living

1674
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: legend is. So the answer is, I don't know, Luke.

1675
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 2: I really don't know what he's going to look like,

1676
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 2: how his skills will translate. You'd be stupid to assume

1677
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 2: he would lose one sided. But does he have the

1678
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 2: necessary level of experience and the kind of IQ that

1679
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: that can only come from experience yet to win a

1680
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 2: fight like that, I'd question it for sure.

1681
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: Yes, I tend to think that about what It's a

1682
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: great point that, like, Hamzat's like a brother, I'm gangst

1683
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: I beat every bond And then you're like, what about Whitaker.

1684
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: You're like, I'd rather train with him. You're like, oh, right,

1685
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: that's a you changed your tone there a little bit. Yeah,

1686
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: And understandably, dude, Whittaker is one of the best fighters

1687
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,480
Speaker 1: in the fucking game, independent.

1688
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 2: On all time, of all time.

1689
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: He's a he is a beast. And the fact that

1690
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: is he's got some wins over him. One of them

1691
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: was very close. Those are you know that that is

1692
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: hard to do, really, really tough to do, so I

1693
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 1: would say Whittaker. I would favor Whittaker. Whittaker is not

1694
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna wilt. Whittaker is not dude. Whittaker doesn't make many mistakes,

1695
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: Like he's just not going to put himself in vulnerable

1696
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: positions very often, and even when he does, he's gonna

1697
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 1: find good resistance to them. Yeah, I would favor Whittaker

1698
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: to win that one. I'm sure Hamza could make it tough.

1699
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: Don't get to a misunderstand me. I think Homsza could

1700
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: give him a run for his money for a little while,

1701
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: but I would favorit Whittaker to get the job done

1702
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: there for sure.

1703
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 2: Look, I'm getting a vision right now. I don't know

1704
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 2: if you can feel this. I don't know if the

1705
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 2: title will be at stake, but I just got a

1706
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 2: vision that in the next two years Hamza and Alex

1707
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 2: Padata will compete in the greatest action fight of this era.

1708
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,520
Speaker 1: Could be, could be, It's possible.

1709
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look, when you're a profit you have to

1710
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 2: you have to deal with the potential fallout of your

1711
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 2: you know, truth saying. And that's gonna be That's gonna

1712
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: be a hairy night at the office. Luke, I'm ready.

1713
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm ready for that.

1714
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: Does Rosetta Stone still follow you on Twitter? What's her name? Uh?

1715
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 2: Julia Rose?

1716
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: Julia Rose?

1717
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you know me in two hundred and seventy

1718
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 2: two others, you know two hundred seventy very let me

1719
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 2: check on that maybe before I keep bragging about it

1720
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 2: for no reason. Why don't you talk to the people?

1721
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: Why checkley? All right? From at Darren Marcus quote. We

1722
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: all believe O'Malley will probably get the next bantam way

1723
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,560
Speaker 1: title shot if by some means he defeats Peter Yan Pyodorian.

1724
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: But where do you think Jan would fall in the

1725
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: rankings if he lost to O'Malley. Shawn is currently ranked

1726
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: twelve and Yan is ranked one. See here's how this

1727
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: would go. Obviously O'Malley is gonna jump way the fuck

1728
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: up there, right, So that's the first Jan would fall.

1729
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: But I don't think he'd fall a precipitous amount. It wouldn't.

1730
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll see guys relatively close, like four versus seven,

1731
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 1: and sometimes they'll kind of switch positions. I don't think

1732
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: you'd see them switch positions, at least not in both directions.

1733
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 1: You might see it's possible Sean could jump to number one.

1734
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: I think Jan would fall to like four or five,

1735
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: six somewhere in there. Does that make sense?

1736
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. Luke just wanted to

1737
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: show you here that she dropped a follower. She looks

1738
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 2: she's only following two hundred and fifty one.

1739
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: Now you can't really could you make it blurry or

1740
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: fuck ft?

1741
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know how to I don't know how

1742
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 2: to make TV work. H Yeah, she dropped a follower,

1743
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 2: but I wasn't that person. She's down to two fifty

1744
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 2: one and I'm she follows me, Luke, Okay, all right,

1745
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 2: you know, look at Luke when you got it? You

1746
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 2: know you got it? Okay, guy, you know what I mean?

1747
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: Just yeah, you did follow her first, and then she responded,

1748
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: I want to be clear about that. It wasn't like

1749
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: out of her own volition she did.

1750
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 2: Do you think if she found out that I was

1751
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 2: willing to no soul? The fact that she snuck up

1752
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 2: up on the said and set next to us during

1753
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: a live show, and you were like, well we got

1754
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: to bring her in, and I was, you know, trying

1755
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: to give you the no. Let's just pretend she's not there.

1756
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 2: If she knew that, would she unfollowed me?

1757
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, you know, she probably looked at you was like, look,

1758
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 1: this guy is obviously a goof. He doesn't know shit

1759
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: about anything, but you know he's not harmful.

1760
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 2: Okay, Look, I don't have many wins in life to

1761
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 2: share with you that would impress you, but I've got two.

1762
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: Are you ready?

1763
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: All right, let's hear it.

1764
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 2: Within the last two weeks, a female under the age

1765
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 2: of twenty five, who I was not between the ages

1766
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 2: of twenty one and twenty five, who I was not

1767
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 2: trying anything that was just talking to, said that she

1768
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: thought I was twenty five while I was wearing this hat.

1769
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: Was she blind?

1770
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 2: And Number two, my neighbor, decorated former high school wrestling coach,

1771
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 2: was showing me a video on his phone of his son,

1772
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 2: who was in high school in my town, escaping the

1773
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 2: championship of this AAU wrestling tournament with a second to

1774
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: go and then getting the point he needed to win

1775
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 2: the match in the last second, almost like he was,

1776
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 2: you know, Stevenson at the Olympics. And I pointed out

1777
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 2: a Gramby role in the middle of his uh, you know,

1778
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 2: in the middle of his uh.

1779
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: Hey, So.

1780
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 2: There's two wins for BC of late Luke. Okay, maybe

1781
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 2: three if you count Julia Rose. So they say they

1782
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 2: happen in threes, Luke, all.

1783
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: Right, good for you, buddy. Three needles, the same kind

1784
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: of victory, same kind of victory, all right? From at

1785
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: Pres Underscore Theatre, Underscore Roosevelt. Very silly question Gordon Ryan

1786
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: versus Jordan Burrows in a three round MMA match. Who

1787
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: are you putting money on? How do you put money

1788
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: on anyone other than Gordon Ryan? Like, I don't even

1789
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: understand the question.

1790
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 2: I just started following Gordon Ryan on Instagram, Luke, because

1791
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 2: I want to, you know, I want to get on

1792
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: board with this because I've been way behind. I usually

1793
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 2: have to rely on Lee Selker MK super fan keeping

1794
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 2: me updated. But is he purposely dyeing his beard and

1795
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 2: hair like a certain like trendy level of gray or

1796
01:21:58,640 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 2: is that Natal?

1797
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've seen that, there's there's certain people. I've

1798
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: seen it more with women than men. I think Kim

1799
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: Kardashian did it for a while. It's like, right, yeah,

1800
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: it's not quite like white like this nonsense, but it's

1801
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, like it to your point a trendy kind

1802
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: of like if Gandolf went to the salon kind of Look,

1803
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: yeah he has, he has. But here's why this question

1804
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: is silly. Now, maybe Burroughs has hands, but probably neither

1805
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: of them do. But Gordon's just gonna walk Burrows down.

1806
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: And I don't think he can take Burrows down, but

1807
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to. Burrow's only path is with a takedown,

1808
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: with wrestling, which is what he's got. But you take

1809
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 1: Gordon Ryan down, he's gonna get sub fucking fast, like

1810
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 1: well is Burrows do.

1811
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 2: So I I really can't speak to this matchup enough

1812
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: to know what I'm talking about. Does either has either

1813
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 2: shown the legitimate want to transition to MM or no.

1814
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: Both have flirted with it. Gordon Ryan years ago I

1815
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 1: interviewed him in person saying he was considering it. Jordan

1816
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: Burroughs has flirted with the idea that, like you know,

1817
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: I would love to fight in the UFC. I've talked

1818
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: to him. I've talked to both about the fact that

1819
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 1: they had They do have interest, but then they realize

1820
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,719
Speaker 1: that like the path they're on. I think Jordan Burrows,

1821
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if folks realize this, he won I

1822
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: could be getting this wrong. His sixth or seventh world

1823
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: title just recently in Belgrade. Dude, Jordan Burrows is the

1824
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: most decorated American wrestler ever ever. He has more gold

1825
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: medals in the Elite Championships, World, and Olympics than anyone

1826
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 1: has ever done. Right. It's an impressive thing. And Gordon

1827
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: Ryan is obviously doing, you know, just outrageous shit in

1828
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: nogi jiu jitsu. They both realize that, like, it probably

1829
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: makes a little bit more sense to fulfill the destiny

1830
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: within their given you know, in terms of MMA composite

1831
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: sports than to just jump over you know, they didn't flay,

1832
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: like bon Nickel tried to make a world team and

1833
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 1: it didn't work out for him, so it makes sense

1834
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: in that case to go into MMA. Both of these

1835
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: guys can just I mean, they are putting themselves in

1836
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: the history books of their respective sports. Just keep doing

1837
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: what you're doing. So it's possible maybe, But.

1838
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 2: What weight would Gordon Ryan be at if he if

1839
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 2: he made the.

1840
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: Move, he could probably get to two o five and

1841
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: that's about it. I don't think you could go much

1842
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 1: lower than that.

1843
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think our Our social media producer Brendan

1844
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 2: Lynch who rolls himself. Luke uh is kind of style wise,

1845
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 2: looking a little bit like a poor man's Gordon Ryan

1846
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 2: with a beard and the.

1847
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: Definite definitely your thrift store golden Gordon Ryan.

1848
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we see you, We see you. Bl Okay,

1849
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 2: we see what's going on right now?

1850
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, all right, last our buddy Telvink Papa,

1851
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: best member from the Wu Tang clan. Let's see what

1852
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 1: your answer is.

1853
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 2: Okay, would you okay? So you know I was a

1854
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 2: I was a distant Wu Tang fan. You know, it

1855
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 2: was more of a commercial Wu Tang fan than going

1856
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 2: all in like you would maybe expect.

1857
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: Because they don't perform at Lilith Fair.

1858
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 2: You know, I I quit being a crazy hip hop

1859
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 2: head like the year that they like, you know, hammered

1860
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 2: at home. If I said, yeah, you know, I was

1861
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 2: into hip hop, commercial hip hop though of course I'm

1862
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 2: a white suburban kid from like eighty nine to like

1863
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,799
Speaker 2: ninety three. Like I bought the I bought the Chronic

1864
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 2: on CD, and then I just sort of transferred into

1865
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: Grange and Pearl Jam and all that stuff, Luke okay,

1866
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 2: And I didn't come back to hip hop again until

1867
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 2: the later nineties. So my point here is I may

1868
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 2: have missed the boat live, but you know, looking at

1869
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: them as celebrities, Luke, I always thought that Rizza was

1870
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 2: the real brains behind it all, But the coolest guy

1871
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 2: was method Man, and if I was gonna try to

1872
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 2: be somebody, it would be him.

1873
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: Luke. Okay, yeah, that's the wrong answer. The three best

1874
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: mcs of the group, So it's Riza, Jizza, Inspecta, Deec,

1875
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: you got ghost Face, method Man, Rakewan, Mastakila, Cappadonna. The

1876
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: three best mcs are Jizza, ghost Face, and Rake One.

1877
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 2: Those are but giving three answers doesn't doesn't work satisfy anything.

1878
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: But hey, would it be okay if I finished my

1879
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: sentence before you decided what my answer was, before I've

1880
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: literally even told you what my answer is, those would

1881
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:01,839
Speaker 1: be your three best.

1882
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 2: Mcsw I'm here for a longer show.

1883
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: Go drink your pond water please. Of the three, I

1884
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: would say that the I would probably put it on

1885
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: ghost Face. I think ghost Face has had the best well,

1886
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: rig One had maybe the best single solo album of

1887
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: them all. Jizub was maybe my personal favorite of the three,

1888
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 1: but I think ghost Face has proven to be both

1889
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: in terms of what he did on Wu Tang's work

1890
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: and independently the very best of them all ghost Face Killer.

1891
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, do you consider Red Man like a satellite member?

1892
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: No, because those guys were from Staten Island and he

1893
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: was sort of like a Jersey guy and he kind

1894
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: of wore that. Obviously, Method Man and Red Man were

1895
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: like a great duo. I certainly agree with that.

1896
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,520
Speaker 2: The Cribs episode with Redman was just tremendous.

1897
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 1: You know, Jersey I forgot ODB, but you wouldn't consider

1898
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: ODB the best member of the Wu Tang.

1899
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 2: So he was like the mascot well his solo Okay,

1900
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 2: I did, I did see. I have more experience with

1901
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 2: his record than I do with a lot of theirs.

1902
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 2: I know, I'm really falling off the nineties thrown here

1903
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 2: with this, Luke, but I'm just telling you the truth.

1904
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 2: ODB is like the is like the mascot of the team, right, Luke.

1905
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he in his own regard, highly talented.

1906
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: But he had some good rhymes too. I mean, I

1907
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. He was definitely the most colorful,

1908
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: standout character in that way. But mascot's a little strong

1909
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 1: for me. Okay, okay, I mean, do you remember when

1910
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: he went and cashed the welfare check on MTV? Folks

1911
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 1: forget that. That was huge when he did that, that

1912
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: was crazy. Uh okay, that's it. Time for bc'specs.

1913
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 2: Let's do it, buddy, all right, Luke h I scot

1914
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 2: of the Globe every Sunday, Like I'm trying to find

1915
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 2: like the the highs and lows and like the good

1916
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 2: and the bad, the ugly in the in between, and

1917
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 2: not only combat sports but beyond. And it's a collection

1918
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 2: of shiah that I want to know. Have you seen

1919
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 2: any of this.

1920
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: Bullshit waiting on those graphics? There we go.

1921
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 2: Ow ow oh god, Luke, I often come into these

1922
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 2: weeks saying, no, this is the best one we've had

1923
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 2: in a while. I'm not impressed by this batch. Let's

1924
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 2: see if you are. Luke Belcher two eighty five from Dublin. Hey,

1925
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 2: here's that Benson Henderson creative head kick from the.

1926
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: Ground capalera kick.

1927
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 2: Love it, Love that shit. It was effective too. Your thoughts.

1928
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: Off the He didn't do it off the hand, he

1929
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: did it off the elbow like that. And then my

1930
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: best part is he stands up afterwards. Look, yeah, he

1931
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: gets the leg over posts and then stands almost like

1932
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: a technical get up a little bit not quite, but yeah,

1933
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: that's interesting, really interesting.

1934
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,520
Speaker 2: Luke, Melvin Manhoof really wanted to make this a celebration

1935
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 2: of all things his legendary career. But were you fearful

1936
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,799
Speaker 2: as I was, that at forty six he might gas

1937
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 2: on the way to the cage doing this virtual icky

1938
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 2: shuffle that he was breaking out. Were you into this?

1939
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: He does this all the time.

1940
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know, but yeah, he went after

1941
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 2: it this time, Luke.

1942
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: That's me waiting on the commode after Doc. Well, if

1943
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: someone's in front of.

1944
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: Me, juol. Raromero made a gift of the of the

1945
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: millennium here, Luke. He turned into a rabid dog at

1946
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 2: the end of his fight, and showtime cameras were there

1947
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 2: to capture all of it.

1948
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 1: This is what it looks like when you're the gas

1949
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 1: station hot dog in BC's looking at you.

1950
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of drool and fluids. There you go, our

1951
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 2: our our I popped for this big. This was good stuff.

1952
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 2: This was good stuff, all right. How about this submission

1953
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 2: that was on the early prelim card that everybody was

1954
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 2: tweeting out. Luca Poclete. I don't know, Luke, what do

1955
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 2: you call this?

1956
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna be We're gonna be going over there. I

1957
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: don't know.

1958
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 2: This is Dante Shiro and they call it, according to Wikipedia,

1959
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 2: a reverse arm triangle. Either way, it looks like they're

1960
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 2: playing twister. This was good theater, Luke.

1961
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna go over this on extra credit a

1962
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: little bit in detail, but dude, MMA's capacity for surprise

1963
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: and just bat shittery is unrivaled.

1964
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, ask Justine Kish about that. We mentioned Carl Moore's

1965
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 2: huge comeback in the Battle of Get That.

1966
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 1: Tim Silvia also took a dumb in his dungarees Swaro Silva.

1967
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 2: I don't know that story.

1968
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 1: You don't no.

1969
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 2: I gotta get updated on my ship pants stories here.

1970
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: Luke, You've never go It's on five pass. Go watch

1971
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: the Tim Silvia versus a Swario Silva fight. He had

1972
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: the flu fought anyway, He wins that his dungarese. Buddy,

1973
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: you could have done some you know, yeah, you could have.

1974
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm trying to say here, I can't

1975
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: get it out because I slept like three hours last night.

1976
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're talking about a Cleveland steamer. Luke. What

1977
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 2: are we doing here?

1978
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Hey?

1979
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 2: You know what's going on? All right? Hey, Carl Moore

1980
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 2: at a hell of a comeback to win the Battle

1981
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: of Carls. Did you see his dad? Luke? Chris Widman

1982
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 2: is still my boy. But check out this reaction from

1983
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 2: Papa More in the crowd. If we could get your

1984
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 2: dad to do this one time to an MK episode, Luke,

1985
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 2: the world will heal?

1986
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I think this is so hoppy. My dad was

1987
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: when I told him. Marine Corps boot camp is thirteen weeks,

1988
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 1: so I'll see you in a little while.

1989
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's running through the crowd like he's

1990
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 2: Jose Aldo and Hero after a big knockout.

1991
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh, that was pretty tremendous. He got dropped real bad.

1992
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: Was it the end of the first I thought it

1993
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: was going to be over. He manages to hang on

1994
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 1: and then he gets the win Like that was a

1995
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: nice It wasn't just that he got a nice finish,

1996
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,839
Speaker 1: it was that he was at the doorstep of defeat,

1997
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: so that was that was a solid moment for him.

1998
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we also got a nice head kick knockout on

1999
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 2: the belt er twenty five prelimbs. This is featherweight asa

2000
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 2: yiel at judy at jugi at jugi. Wow.

2001
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, right over the glove too. The guy had his

2002
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: hand up, but it wasn't enough. You got to get

2003
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: two hands on the glove. I think he had one

2004
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 1: thinking he might be going lower, and went right over

2005
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: the top and that was all. Look, let's see lead hand, yeah,

2006
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 1: lead hand. C oh yeah, he thought it was gonna

2007
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: go low. He had the lead hand up just as

2008
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 1: like a precaution, and it went up right over the top.

2009
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 1: That's a nice win, man, really nice win.

2010
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 2: Luke, you're gonna break down Mayweather Asakura in length from

2011
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 2: Rising thirty eight over the weekend. But did you see

2012
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: this dude enter the ring to prepare to literally give

2013
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 2: Floyd his flowers and then he and.

2014
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 1: Then the promoter got super fucking bitter at him, called

2015
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:00,839
Speaker 1: him a vile d w watch.

2016
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 2: This and they apologized. Risen apologized to Floyd afterwards. But

2017
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 2: look at that.

2018
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, dude, that's the industry giving us our flowers.

2019
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, begrudgingly is probably the best way to describe.

2020
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, we're not gonna not give you the Flowers.

2021
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:17,759
Speaker 1: But yo, fuck you guys here.

2022
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah pretty much? Yeah, all right, Uh, look at there

2023
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 2: was competitive action early. Were you surprised here? I don't

2024
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 2: want to ruin the extra credit for you, but were

2025
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 2: you surprised when a Sakura started tagging Floyd a bit

2026
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 2: early in round one? Yeah?

2027
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: I gotta say, seriously, BC, I'm not doing a bit.

2028
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Floyd hit that hard and cleanly since

2029
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: what the Moseley fight. I'm not I'm not even doing

2030
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 1: a bit. Seriously. Remember what was the first round of

2031
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:42,719
Speaker 1: the Moseley fight where Moseley second round?

2032
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, second round he rocked him twice. The last time

2033
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 2: Floyd really got hit was the Madonna rematch to n

2034
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 2: round three, he legitimately got rocked with a right clock

2035
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 2: cross at the belt.

2036
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 1: That maybe that one, maybe that one. But you know

2037
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like he hasn't been hit like this

2038
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: in a while. No off, you know in second round here.

2039
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 2: But well he would put them away. But Luke, there's

2040
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 2: some idea of a ghost punch here, like it's you know,

2041
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 2: list in Cassius Clay part two in Lewiston, May some Maine.

2042
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Some people say, no, there was a build up to

2043
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 2: the knockdown. But that didn't look all that clean right there.

2044
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say that.

2045
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: A loud also something to understand it. I don't know

2046
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: how Risean navigated this space. MMA is not regulated by

2047
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 1: any regulatory commission in Japan. You can basically just do

2048
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck you want. Boxing is, boxing is. There

2049
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 1: is a Japanese boxing commission. I forget the specific name

2050
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 1: of it, but they do. They do control it. I

2051
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: don't know how they were able to put all of

2052
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 1: this together or if they could work around it because

2053
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: it's an exhibition. I don't know the rules in Japan,

2054
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 1: but just somebody to keep in lyind.

2055
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 2: That guy also ran in the ring, which means it's

2056
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 2: the end of the fight too, before he could even

2057
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,640
Speaker 2: get counted. See that guy in the black suit that

2058
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 2: ran in?

2059
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I did see that. For the fact. Yeah,

2060
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna show us Jizzy.

2061
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna stop short of Jizzy, and I'm gonna

2062
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 2: keep it moving.

2063
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, if your nickname is Jizzy, you're

2064
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 1: just inviting a lot of unwanted types of attention. And

2065
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:00,759
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

2066
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, indeed, more Boxing Weekend results. Let's go to Manchester, England.

2067
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 2: Here was the finish as big Joe Joyce, the damn juggernaut.

2068
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 2: Well no, sorry, sorry, we got bonus. We got bonus,

2069
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 2: risen content. Here's Kyochi hor Gucci Luke. He's back and

2070
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 2: he got dropped hard in round one.

2071
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: He's been getting hit a little bit these days. But

2072
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: he recovered well, obviously in great shape, and got right

2073
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: back to us. I don't think it was obviously super devastating.

2074
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 2: He would go on to get a second round submission

2075
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 2: via tap out there with a choke, but he did

2076
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 2: get dropped as we could see one more time.

2077
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: Damn early time coming in man he got tim didn't

2078
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 1: set it up well enough. Close one there, super close one,

2079
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 1: but he.

2080
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 2: Caro the opponent here who came up empty. All right,

2081
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 2: let's go to Manchester. Here's Joe Joyce, as we mentioned,

2082
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,679
Speaker 2: sending Joseph Parker to hell in round eleven. What a finish, damn.

2083
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,799
Speaker 1: And they don't show it, but he had Parker confused

2084
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: because he had leaned in with his right shoulder and

2085
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 1: then came around with a left hook. Man. That was

2086
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: I again, I'll say it again. We mostly my fault

2087
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 1: because you were a little bit higher on it than

2088
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: I was. But I was a shithead about this fight

2089
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 1: and it should have been should not have been.

2090
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 2: You were like, get that ship out of the rundown.

2091
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't deserve to be there.

2092
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: Yes, I was a hater. I was a hater. I'll

2093
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:16,640
Speaker 1: take the l on that one.

2094
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 2: And the In the co main event, Amanda Serrano unified

2095
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 2: yet another a third featherweight title by defeating Mafood. But Luke,

2096
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 2: here's promoter Jake Paul back in the States, I believe

2097
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 2: or could be Puerto Rico, depending on where he was

2098
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 2: at the time. Uh, celebrating the victory by uh, I'm sorry,

2099
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 2: celebrating the ring interest by shirtless jumping. This is great.

2100
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I'm not gonna make a joke about Puerto

2101
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: Rico not having power because that would be obviously be terrible.

2102
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 1: But either way, yeah, he Listen. You can say what

2103
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: you want about Jake Paul. You can say what you

2104
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 1: want about Jake Paul. He has done more to promote

2105
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: Amanda Serrano than anyone certain terms, effectively anyway. You got

2106
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 1: to give him credit for it. You got it. Get

2107
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 1: You can say everything else you want about him, but

2108
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 1: you can't take that from him.

2109
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,759
Speaker 2: It. Serano looked great in this fight. She dominated every

2110
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 2: aspect of it against a champion and added yet another title.

2111
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 2: She's already she's the most decorated champion and like like,

2112
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,600
Speaker 2: I mean, she's just short of many pakia for the

2113
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 2: amount of division she's won it, right or is she

2114
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 2: more than him? Either way? Look, she's right freaking was eight?

2115
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 2: Was she seven or nine? One of the two?

2116
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

2117
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 2: Let's go over back to that Shaquer Stevenson fight. Luke

2118
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,599
Speaker 2: We mentioned how dirty and physical it was. Stevenson actually

2119
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 2: got doctor point with no warning. For this body slam

2120
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: of canseis a little judo hip toss. There your thoughts.

2121
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Keep me a little

2122
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 1: Mui Thai action if you know what I'm saying, Well,

2123
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:42,560
Speaker 1: I didn't want to.

2124
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 2: Did you agree with me that? Like when I see

2125
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 2: a young fighter who's rising, I like when they're gritty

2126
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 2: like this. I like when they go up to the

2127
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 2: line and meet the aggression of their opponent.

2128
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, obviously if they're getting a little bit

2129
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 1: too crazy with it, taking a point or whatever, needs

2130
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 1: to to like discipline them to not go too too crazy,

2131
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: but stuff like this where they kind of wrap up.

2132
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: He's kind of using the momentum and then his head

2133
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: position in his body position with his feet as well

2134
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 1: to then just take him over to the side. I

2135
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 1: like it, I dig it, I get. I am two

2136
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: thumbs up for me.

2137
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one Olympians. Olympic silver medalist from the US,

2138
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 2: Kishan Davis improved to six and oh in the Cole

2139
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 2: main event. Good he look, dude, he was nasty. First

2140
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 2: he drops Omar Tienda and then gets in his face

2141
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 2: basically and then watch this finish once they restart the action. Luke.

2142
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 2: He's known for his like technique and slickness, but he

2143
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 2: proved in this one that look he's six and oh.

2144
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 2: You get he's facing a certain level of competition, but

2145
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 2: this guy had experience and Kishan was nasty and getting

2146
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 2: rid of him.

2147
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: He's mean, yeahright, kah. Kishon Davis is very mean. And

2148
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't mean that's like as a bad person. I

2149
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 1: mean as a competitor. He really tries to like and

2150
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: with careful technique, but he tries to just get mean

2151
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 1: and and and bullying to his opponents. And he is

2152
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: a handful. Good Lord, I love it.

2153
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 2: I love watching young guys with a lot of huts.

2154
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 2: Pa Luke. By the way, happy Rosa Shana today to

2155
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:10,759
Speaker 2: Jay Aaron.

2156
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: Okay, do you know what the definition of hootspies balls? Well,

2157
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm not sure it was the actual definition,

2158
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 1: but the way it was described to me once was

2159
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: the way it was applied was to kill your parents

2160
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 1: and then beg for mercy because you're an orphan.

2161
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 2: All right, I'll stop using that word, Luke. Let's go

2162
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 2: over to this undercard again.

2163
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 1: But imagine the like, imagine the balls. He'd be like, Oh,

2164
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: I murdered my parents. I'm an orphan. Bill, feel sad

2165
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 1: for me. It's a way great way of describing it.

2166
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes on this show, Luke, we shout out Floyd cash

2167
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 2: Flow Diaz as an up and coming top rank prospect.

2168
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:46,719
Speaker 2: But good old cash Flow wanted to get the newer

2169
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 2: crowd behind him, so he came out in full New

2170
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 2: Jersey devil's gear. And when I say full, I mean

2171
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 2: like he's dressed like Van Dam in that movie where

2172
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 2: he became a goalie in the Stanley Cup Finals. Remember that, Luke.

2173
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 1: He just walked down to the ring he is so

2174
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: fucking stupid.

2175
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 2: Sudden Death. I love that movie Sudden Death. Oh yeah,

2176
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah.

2177
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, they don't have a lot of pro

2178
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 1: teams out in dirty jurors, so you gotta do what

2179
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: you gotta do.

2180
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:11,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, many murders occurs. Let's go over to the practice

2181
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 2: training session in Greater dan Bury Bethel, Connecticut. You know,

2182
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 2: Glover to share is building a stable and Luke he

2183
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 2: doesn't just watch, he gets hands on him and Alex

2184
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 2: Padaedo were going at it where coach Farnelli Felie had

2185
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 2: to kind of break it up. Did you see this shit?

2186
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: I did not. I heard about it. I'm watching now

2187
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 1: for the first time. Oh Jesus.

2188
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,599
Speaker 2: I mean they're not throwing full power, but they're going

2189
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 2: after it.

2190
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're getting after.

2191
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 2: It, damn.

2192
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because they were just throwing like recklessly at

2193
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:42,680
Speaker 1: that point. Yeah.

2194
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we tend Glover.

2195
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: Glover landed on him there a little bit.

2196
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 2: Oh dude, how good is Glover's infighting? Like you could

2197
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 2: tell he's really worked on the ability to stand in

2198
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 2: the pocket and swivel and throw big shots. It was

2199
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 2: there again.

2200
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 1: I'd actually say he got the better of this a

2201
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: little bit.

2202
01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a man, what a real man?

2203
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 1: Uh?

2204
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 2: Look, we only show pro wrestling highlights here when it's

2205
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 2: a celebrity crossover variety. Did you see Action Bronson stepping

2206
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 2: into an aw ring? Here he is getting the hot tag?

2207
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 1: You know? I didn't.

2208
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 2: Okay, are you impressed at all? Nice shoulder tackle there,

2209
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 2: It's got a hard clothes line.

2210
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know anything about pro wrestling. Should I be?

2211
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 2: He's decent. He's pretty decent here, Yeah, I'm like nothing,

2212
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 2: Like remember how bad Tyson Fury looked in that ww

2213
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 2: match the Saint Tyson Fury right here?

2214
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't never see. I never saw that. He

2215
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: looked terrible.

2216
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:33,719
Speaker 2: I would say Tyson Fury had one of the worst

2217
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,680
Speaker 2: celebrity like real matches, like actually trying to have a

2218
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 2: match that I've ever seen.

2219
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 1: It was.

2220
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:41,599
Speaker 2: It was really bad, really really, I mean, Lawrence Taylor

2221
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 2: was like ten times better. Okay, Floyd. Floyd was actually

2222
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 2: good against Big Show. Remember that.

2223
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 1: By the way. Speaking of ghost Face, are you aware

2224
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,839
Speaker 1: of the Action Bronson. I don't think they have beef anymore,

2225
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 1: but the previous action Bronson ghost Face.

2226
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 2: Beef obviously not Luke no chance.

2227
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a lot of it. They he because basically,

2228
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 1: if you listen to Action Bronson, he kind of sounds

2229
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:07,560
Speaker 1: like Ghost and so Ghost has accused him again. I

2230
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 1: don't know what the current state it was, but like

2231
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 1: a few years ago, he accused him of basically just

2232
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 1: taking his entire style. You know.

2233
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think you know DMX deserved to say

2234
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:20,639
Speaker 2: that to job Rule, you took everything I worked for effort.

2235
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 1: I don't think DMX said that the Job Rule.

2236
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 2: I think the critics did, okay, I think the critics did. Okay.

2237
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 2: Here's a quote here from Gaff. You're watching this in

2238
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 2: the comments, I.

2239
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 1: Am now, don't ever say my music sound like ghosts.

2240
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 1: Ship is a bronze in line. Yeah, but it does though.

2241
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 2: Oh that's Long Island Luke, our producer putting that out

2242
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 2: in the ethos. Thank you, Hey, Luke. People come to

2243
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 2: this segment for Dixon the Wild, don't they?

2244
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,360
Speaker 1: Right? They do?

2245
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 2: Now they do? Now, Hey, look, you can find Dixon

2246
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 2: the Wild anywhere. Okay, in fact nature sometimes look at

2247
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 2: the unit on this tree right here.

2248
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:00,839
Speaker 1: But favorite tree.

2249
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ever hear that the hug of tree? Luke?

2250
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 2: You ever do that to just get one with nature,

2251
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, just just come up on this guy right here. Yeah,

2252
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 2: there you go, all right? Uh, hey, we we often

2253
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 2: celebrate phoners in combat sports, you know, when you're rock

2254
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:17,799
Speaker 2: hard with emotion.

2255
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you ask fighters about their erections, like

2256
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: you're a fucking neurologist or something.

2257
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 2: College this college football ref was, uh, was very excited.

2258
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:39,680
Speaker 1: Wow, my man's just got a lot jesus. I mean

2259
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 1: I realized it's something in his pocket and not his

2260
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:43,799
Speaker 1: actual dong, but Laura's I think.

2261
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 2: It's a little bold. Yeah, I think it's a little

2262
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 2: both there. I mean, do you ever remember in the

2263
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,760
Speaker 2: eighties when when like if your friend was like a

2264
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 2: rich kid and his dad drove like a BMW, they

2265
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 2: put that thing on the steering wheel the club, that

2266
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 2: red thing, Luke. It was like you lock it in,

2267
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 2: remember that?

2268
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, I think.

2269
01:42:57,800 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 2: That guy's got one in his pocket right now.

2270
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 1: That's great, Okay, looks it looks to me like he's

2271
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 1: got a fucking you know, something you beat suspects with

2272
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 1: if you're a cop in England with.

2273
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, a Singapore cane if you will. Yeah, all right, Uh,

2274
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:14,759
Speaker 2: let's go out to the Cards Nationals game in Saint Louis.

2275
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 2: Look who threw out the first pitch two weeks ago,

2276
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 2: Santi Claus.

2277
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 1: Luke, my fucking hero. By the way, he's got a

2278
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: hell of an arm, doesn't he. Dude, is the fucking best.

2279
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: He is just diabetes and hair bleach. He will still

2280
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 1: beat your ass in gulf.

2281
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 2: What's in his bloodstream at this point, like whiskey, caffeine, cocaine, like,

2282
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 2: what else, Luke?

2283
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 1: Nicotine for sure? Nicotine probably, you know, honestly, if he

2284
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 1: just croaked tomorrow he did an autopsy, would you be

2285
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,560
Speaker 1: surprised that there was a little bit of meth circulating?

2286
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

2287
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 2: Ah, wow, wow, well probably not, probably not. Okay, all right.

2288
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: I've got good mechanics on the throat. Is an athlete? Yeah?

2289
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 2: He actually did well. That was like, you know, George

2290
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 2: Bush at the two thousand and one World Series Level strike,

2291
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 2: he just threw rut there. All right, let's go to

2292
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 2: let's play a little footy hair Luke. Look at these

2293
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 2: two soccer hooligans having fun with the creative jersey.

2294
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:19,519
Speaker 1: Oh that's great, is great?

2295
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 2: All right, Luke. In boxing, we have this term called

2296
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 2: let me let me pour some water on my balls.

2297
01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 2: On your balls. It was from a Eric Morales in

2298
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 2: the corner against the area Raheem. His trainer wanted to

2299
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:32,680
Speaker 2: wake him up, so we pour a little of that

2300
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 2: sauce down on the old nuts and bolts. Let's see

2301
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:37,720
Speaker 2: this happen to a soccer player. Look at the reaction, Luke.

2302
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 2: He poured a little he poured a little water on

2303
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 2: those ball. Yeah. Well yeah that wow? Been there?

2304
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 1: How hot are your testicles where they like? This has

2305
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 1: that reaction.

2306
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 2: Hot as balls? Yes? That is great stuff, great stuff,

2307
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 2: all right. Let's uh, let's hear you ever hear those

2308
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 2: those people that grab those tickets behind the goal and

2309
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 2: then they bring a megaphone, Luke, and then they annoy

2310
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 2: you the whole game by yelling like you know, let's

2311
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 2: see what happens to those people here. Yeah, I ain't

2312
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,720
Speaker 2: nobody gonna stop you except that fucking ball that just

2313
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 2: KO'ed you. Great work there, DC United fan or whoever

2314
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 2: you are, Thank you.

2315
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you so Yeah, I don't know what

2316
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean. It's all of these clubs have these supporters,

2317
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: like their Ultras or the Boro Bravas or whatever, where

2318
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 1: they just show up and shout the whole fucking time,

2319
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:35,679
Speaker 1: and that's a big part of soccer. Like, you can't

2320
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 1: talk him out of it at this point. It just

2321
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 1: is what it is. But I gotta tell you, I

2322
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 1: don't like sitting in those sections. To me, it's like,

2323
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 1: can I just watch the fucking game please?

2324
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. I went to a I went to Bogo,

2325
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 2: and I went to nineteen ninety four war Club qualifying games.

2326
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 2: Luca or they were like friendlies or some shit. At

2327
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,679
Speaker 2: the Yale Bowl, it was like Costa Rica versus Mexico.

2328
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 2: Dude to turn into like World War three had Domino's

2329
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 2: pizza boxes. They were lighting them on fire and then

2330
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 2: firing them like frisbees all I mean, it was smoke bombs.

2331
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 1: It was.

2332
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 2: It was like in I didn't know.

2333
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 1: Connecticutans are famous for this. The Turkish fans light flares

2334
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: in the stands, multiple flares. They'll throw them on the

2335
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 1: fucking field and shit like they're they're out of their mind.

2336
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 2: I get that. I get that, that's the thing everywhere

2337
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 2: else in the world. But to be a you know what,

2338
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 2: was I fifteen years old in the US and be

2339
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,839
Speaker 2: spending the whole game looking over your shoulder at weapons

2340
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,120
Speaker 2: that are on fire coming at you.

2341
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: Look.

2342
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 2: That was interesting.

2343
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 1: It was interesting. I told just before did I was

2344
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 1: in Turkey once and I think it was a Fenerbacci

2345
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,639
Speaker 1: gallatus Sarai. I think was the was the matchup, which

2346
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 1: is like a like an intense istanbul fucking rivalry. And

2347
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 1: one dude was chasing another dude down the street with

2348
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 1: a donor kebab sword. Wow, that's great that, I mean,

2349
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 1: he was getting after it.

2350
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. All right, hey, let's keep it going.

2351
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2352
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 2: People like to take soccer and then make it something different, luke,

2353
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 2: like they do it on sand I think this game

2354
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,680
Speaker 2: is called fireball. Would you play this?

2355
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? I just you know, it's a new sport.

2356
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 2: Everyone's doing it barefoot.

2357
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, I don't want a stereotype,

2358
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 1: but I feel like this happens in countries where you know,

2359
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful about drinking the water and shit.

2360
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 2: You know, you ever want to go to one of

2361
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 2: those like Tony Robbins seminars where you like walk on

2362
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:26,559
Speaker 2: hot embers and like, you know what I mean.

2363
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 1: No, I did all that stupid like test yourself bullshit,

2364
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 1: and I got my fill of it. Yeah.

2365
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:35,599
Speaker 2: On the Jiu jitsu mats on the Marine Corps.

2366
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 1: Dude, I had plenty of, like, very tough situations. I

2367
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:40,919
Speaker 1: don't I don't like crave that anymore.

2368
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got another new sport, Luke. It's a combat sport.

2369
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 2: It's called kr jujitsu.

2370
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 1: Into this this dude, Let me guess, is this Russia?

2371
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 2: I mean it's gotta be Poland or Rusia YouTube?

2372
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 1: Yes, of course it is. Could I have been more right?

2373
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 1: It's just the dumbest on earth. Bro. They love dumb

2374
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 1: shit over there.

2375
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 2: I don't know this. I mean, this is getting a

2376
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 2: little interesting right here. I mean, we've all been in

2377
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,600
Speaker 2: the back seat of these cars, Luke, just never quite like.

2378
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 1: This, right, Yeah. I mean I've definitely done things that

2379
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:14,679
Speaker 1: looks kind of like this in the back of a car,

2380
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 1: but not quite like this. Yeah.

2381
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 2: Either, back then you were tapping that ass. Now you're

2382
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 2: tapping out, Luke. Okay, because these girls would send you

2383
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:21,879
Speaker 2: to hell there.

2384
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:23,639
Speaker 1: You go, probably would, they probably would.

2385
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 2: I try not to put too many pranks on here,

2386
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:28,680
Speaker 2: because sometimes pranks are laying, but sometimes they're really good.

2387
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 2: Check out this chucky prank and this lady's reaction. There's

2388
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:39,799
Speaker 2: a doll in a box. Yeah, good guys.

2389
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, no, that's pretty good.

2390
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. The sound is pretty credible too on that all right, Look,

2391
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 2: you mentioned that Europe in MMA. It's just different, right,

2392
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 2: I mean it's just different. It's a different energy, there's

2393
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 2: an edge, right yeah. Well check out this interview you

2394
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 2: had referenced. Hey, BC, you're gonna put this shit in here? Yeah?

2395
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 2: I did check it out. Is this pro wrestling? I mean,

2396
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 2: what is going on here?

2397
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 1: Bop? I mean, dude hit him with the bop gun

2398
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:14,799
Speaker 1: right away.

2399
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 2: Dave Shaler would have gotten in the middle of that,

2400
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:17,679
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that much.

2401
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,640
Speaker 1: I gotta say, who you know, remember that famous Simpsons

2402
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 1: line where it's like, dude videotaping this crime spree was

2403
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:27,320
Speaker 1: the best idea we ever had. If you're gonna commit assault,

2404
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 1: maybe don't do it on camera, you know, and well

2405
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:31,600
Speaker 1: hit microphoned environments.

2406
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 2: It does make me want to watch the fight though, Luke.

2407
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 2: So maybe it worked. I mean it worked for Cormier Jones,

2408
01:49:36,160 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 2: But uh, at Fame MMA thirteen the same week weekend?

2409
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:46,920
Speaker 2: Is that happening? There was a second interview. Is this

2410
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 2: the same promotion? It might as well be.

2411
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:51,679
Speaker 1: Look at this bro half the fights in Russian mma

2412
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 1: are before the actual event. Oh and he got stomped

2413
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:54,640
Speaker 1: out too.

2414
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:57,879
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is wonderful. Wow.

2415
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:02,480
Speaker 1: Wow, just going on back in the background.

2416
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, that's great.

2417
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh dude, he soccer kicked him. Jesus.

2418
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. They got different rules over there too, Luke, you know.

2419
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,400
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, the guy who punched first was

2420
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:17,960
Speaker 1: the one who got stomped out. Well, you know what,

2421
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:19,880
Speaker 1: fuck him? I mean, you you brought it on yourself.

2422
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all right. But like in the in

2423
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 1: the United States, the typically the promoter is required to

2424
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 1: stand in between them. That's why you see them there

2425
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:30,920
Speaker 1: so often, like l orb sometimes or Hern or Dana.

2426
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,480
Speaker 1: They have to be there by virtue of the commission rules.

2427
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 2: If I show you a fight pit highlight, you know

2428
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:48,360
Speaker 2: someone's gonna get knocked the hell out, so let's see it. Oh,

2429
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:52,599
Speaker 2: shades of Barbosa and damn in a pit.

2430
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 1: Wow, he just stepped across and let him have it. Wow, man, damn.

2431
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,000
Speaker 1: You ever seen those like video where guy's like, I'm

2432
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,679
Speaker 1: gonna go feed this horse from behind and the horse

2433
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:05,400
Speaker 1: is like, you'll get the fuck up off me, and

2434
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:07,800
Speaker 1: then watches him into orbit. Look like that. Yeah.

2435
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 2: I used to watch a movie as a kid about

2436
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 2: this field goal kicking horse, Luke.

2437
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 1: It was great.

2438
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:15,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, they ever see that movie. It's a Disney movie.

2439
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 1: It's great.

2440
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to the baseball pitch. I

2441
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 2: think this is minor league baseball. Sometimes they always catch

2442
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:22,679
Speaker 2: like a kitten and they can't. There's always hyjienks because

2443
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 2: the kittens run across the field and they can't. They

2444
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 2: can't quite catch it. You ever see a raccoon at

2445
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 2: a baseball again? Look, you gotta give this guy credit

2446
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:37,280
Speaker 2: for having the balls to deal with this thing.

2447
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 1: Right, Gotta tell you that's not the first raccoon this

2448
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 1: man is handled.

2449
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:42,680
Speaker 2: That is true. That is true. The South is a

2450
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 2: different place. It's a different place.

2451
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:47,719
Speaker 1: Okay, he has definitely grabbed a few raccoons in his time.

2452
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, hey, let's go over to Shaquille O'Neil, Luke.

2453
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 2: He's back in the gym, right, the big Aristotle, the diesel.

2454
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 2: This bro's got abs. Now, can we blow this up?

2455
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 2: I don't think those are the painted in kind.

2456
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 1: Who do you think has got a bigger hog? The

2457
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 1: NFL rep for this.

2458
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 2: Guy definitely Shaquille O'Neill, which is you know, yeah, I

2459
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:13,320
Speaker 2: mean Shawney O'Neill is like four nine. I don't know

2460
01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:14,240
Speaker 2: how that worked, Luke.

2461
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 1: I really they made it work.

2462
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 2: They for a short while they did. And then he

2463
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,200
Speaker 2: brought hoops, nicky hoops into the equation. You know, I

2464
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 2: remember that. Yeah, he made that change. All right, Let's

2465
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 2: go to some weird workouts that Luke. I think they

2466
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:29,320
Speaker 2: call this the human wheel. I wouldn't advise doing this

2467
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 2: in public, but this man is a professional.

2468
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 1: I honestly hope he gets run over. And I mean

2469
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 1: that with all sincerity.

2470
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 2: All Right, there you go. I mean, if it's impressive,

2471
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,400
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta lick a lot of ground in

2472
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:44,679
Speaker 2: New York City to pull that off.

2473
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 1: But you know it's not jaywas Imagine the fucking germs

2474
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:49,640
Speaker 1: that this guy has. When he goes home. You have

2475
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 1: to shower in carbonic acid.

2476
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 2: You ever see weird shit like this in the Jim

2477
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 2: Luke watch this? I call this gymnastics.

2478
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:00,680
Speaker 1: Oh I've seen this.

2479
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there's always people in the gym that

2480
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:10,400
Speaker 2: are trying to get your attention, right. They're wearing like

2481
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:12,559
Speaker 2: really short shorts and they need you to spot them.

2482
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:15,280
Speaker 1: That's the worst. What you got understand about the gym

2483
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:18,200
Speaker 1: is everyone there is looking for attention one way or

2484
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 1: the other, but there are some that are much worse

2485
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 1: than others. This guy just here's what you know about

2486
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:26,920
Speaker 1: this guy. He has a terrible home life, right like,

2487
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 1: no one loves him, no one calls him. He's got

2488
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:32,479
Speaker 1: a deep hole in the center of his soul where

2489
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:34,400
Speaker 1: he just can't get people to love him. So he

2490
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 1: does shit like this.

2491
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 2: That's interesting, all right, let's wrap him fire here. I

2492
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:40,559
Speaker 2: got to interview a fighter. That's my job. Luke, would

2493
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 2: you eat? Let's go to Dubai. If you order the

2494
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars gold steak, this is how they deliver it.

2495
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 2: You want to get If you think show.

2496
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 1: Time will buy this for us, yeah, they bought us

2497
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:51,599
Speaker 1: some other dumb shit before.

2498
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 2: Hey, they bought us that Island Boys cameo. Do you

2499
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 2: know those guys are feuding right now, the Island Boys.

2500
01:53:57,160 --> 01:53:59,679
Speaker 1: But they also got us the Versace robes.

2501
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 2: That's true. I think we're close to getting this one

2502
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:05,800
Speaker 2: thousand dollars gold plated steak. It's delivered by some people.

2503
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:07,720
Speaker 1: Are literally at the point where they're eating gold man

2504
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 1: fuck rich people.

2505
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, looks like let me just order a bloody Mary

2506
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:17,120
Speaker 2: and a steak sandwich and a steak sandwich. All right,

2507
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 2: let's see this, luke, would you take down this bloody Mary?

2508
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:25,439
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, what the fuck?

2509
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:27,759
Speaker 2: That'll cure a hangover?

2510
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 1: Right, we're just just slaughtering animals for Instagram reels. I mean,

2511
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

2512
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 2: All right, public fails of violence. Let's see some public

2513
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:40,920
Speaker 2: fails of violence to close here, Luke. You know you

2514
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:43,600
Speaker 2: bring a pinata on this segment. Someone's getting whacked.

2515
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:50,400
Speaker 1: Just executing. Motherfuckers bro off with their head.

2516
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 2: She broke the stick on them. That's insane. All right,

2517
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 2: let's go, Oh, of course, yes, old school. All right,

2518
01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 2: let's go to the carnival. You ever see that hammer challenge?

2519
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna catch it. They'll shoot your eye out inevitably.

2520
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 2: Oh boy, See the COVID mask didn't prevent that, Luke.

2521
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 1: That's not good.

2522
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:18,800
Speaker 2: I call this piece of art natural selection, playground edition.

2523
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 1: I whatever happened. I just hope they can't reproduce.

2524
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 2: And you know, the champagne bottle when you're partying, partying,

2525
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:38,320
Speaker 2: excuse me, just make sure it's not aimed in the

2526
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:43,840
Speaker 2: wrong spot. Oh boy, I don't think that's the first

2527
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:45,880
Speaker 2: time that's happened to her, Luke, if you get my drift,

2528
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:46,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

2529
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think you know. She was a little

2530
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 1: bit surprised, but probably not that surprised.

2531
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 2: We close with this, Luke in the inevitable universal question

2532
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:58,760
Speaker 2: that still lingers to this day regarding this show. Is

2533
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:03,440
Speaker 2: this art? Are we are? Is art art?

2534
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:04,920
Speaker 1: Oh? My god?

2535
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 2: I mean that is? That?

2536
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 1: Is push?

2537
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2538
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,600
Speaker 1: He keeps ending up this gig out his crooked tooth.

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