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Speaker 1: This is my legacy, and in honor of Mental Health

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Speaker 1: Awareness Month, we're sharing more from our conversation with Keisha

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Speaker 1: Chante and our longtime mentor Stephen Hill. Because sometimes protecting

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Speaker 1: your piece starts with having the right people in your corner,

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Speaker 1: the kind of support that not only lifts us up,

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Speaker 1: but helps us find our own strength, our voice, and

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Speaker 1: our compass when we need it most.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: So one of the reasons I love this show is

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Speaker 3: because we get to actually peel back the curtain and

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Speaker 3: actually see just your eyes. For our listeners, I wish

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Speaker 3: they could see and just the glowy or smile of

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Speaker 3: this relationship. And I love mentorship. I think it's so important.

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Speaker 3: So Steve this beautiful tribute. So you have launch careers,

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Speaker 3: you have shape culture, You've elevated black voices, you had

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Speaker 3: this extraordinary role. So tribute came from you to him.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to ask you, Stephen, is there something that

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Speaker 3: a mentee has shared with you that makes you such

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Speaker 3: a great mentor?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Wow, oh question.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that I listen well and I can approach things

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Speaker 5: from multiple sides. That's It's everything else springs from from

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Speaker 5: that to really be able to listen. Yeah, I've said,

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Speaker 5: and address things from both sides, understand and have an

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Speaker 5: understanding of where that person or that mentee wants to be.

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Speaker 5: And sometimes it's just I have the benefit of having experience.

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Speaker 5: I always like to tell people I'm not telling you how.

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Speaker 4: To do it.

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Speaker 5: I can tell you how it's been done. You can

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Speaker 5: take that and move it forward in a different way.

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Speaker 5: It's not it's not necessarily how to do it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and you're not judged mental.

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Speaker 4: That's what I love about you, genuinely, Like listening is

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Speaker 4: a superpower. You listen well, you articulate your thoughts well.

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Speaker 4: But also you're not judgmental. You've always made it a

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Speaker 4: safe place. From when I was sixteen, twenty, twenty five,

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Speaker 4: thirty five, I can.

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Speaker 2: Tell him anything, no matter how crazy it may be, and.

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Speaker 4: He will be like hmm okay, Like he will digest

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Speaker 4: it and then he will give you wonderful feedback, honest

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Speaker 4: feedback and real feedback. So yeah, you make it. You

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Speaker 4: create the environment for it to be a safe place

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Speaker 4: to communicate.

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Speaker 2: And that's incredible, is that? Yeah, to have to have

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Speaker 2: that in your life.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And one of the things I admire about you Keisha,

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Speaker 1: is that you know you have walked away from things

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Speaker 1: when it didn't serve you. Oh yes, How would you

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Speaker 1: say to our listeners? How has that your how is that?

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Speaker 1: What would you say to them about taking care of

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Speaker 1: their mental health?

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Speaker 2: Mental health is a huge thing.

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Speaker 4: I find it so fascinating that we speak on physical

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Speaker 4: health and we separate mental health like it doesn't exist,

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Speaker 4: like your is your brain not attached to your body?

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Speaker 4: Why why are we treating it as a separate thing.

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Speaker 4: But there's something very humbling about experiencing depression. It's at

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Speaker 4: your lowest moment where you I've experienced times where I

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Speaker 4: was like, I don't want to do this anymore. I

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Speaker 4: am done, I'm tired, and it's you know, sometimes it's

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Speaker 4: just a lot of maybe trauma of you you experience

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Speaker 4: and it gets overwhelming. But once you've made it out

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Speaker 4: of depression one time, it renews your faith in God.

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Speaker 2: Or whatever you believe in. Right for me, it was God.

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Speaker 4: It makes your faith stronger, but it also makes you realize,

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Speaker 4: like I can really get through it. I just have

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Speaker 4: to figure out what my game plan is to get

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Speaker 4: out of it. So I would say, you know, through

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Speaker 4: my experiences in life. It's it's the falling and the

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Speaker 4: getting back up that has allowed me to believe that

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Speaker 4: there's more. And also when you feel so close to

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Speaker 4: not wanting to be here, or when you experience a

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Speaker 4: huge death, when you lose someone, it really makes you

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Speaker 4: realize how precious life is and wanting to maximize your

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Speaker 4: time here. So I genuinely have this place of like

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's happening tomorrow or the next week

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Speaker 4: I'm giving as much as I can. Like when I

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Speaker 4: I'm having a bad day or I'm struggling with anxiety

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Speaker 4: or depression, and I try to still go out in

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Speaker 2: So if I feel like something isn't.

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Speaker 4: Right, and I immediately I'm like, this is a waste

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Speaker 4: of time, no matter how valuable it could be to others.

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Speaker 4: If I don't feel like it's right to my core,

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Speaker 4: or it takes me out of alignment with my relationship

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Speaker 4: with God. There is nothing more important to me than

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Speaker 4: my relationship with God. So if it doesn't feel right,

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Speaker 4: I'm good. I don't care how much money it is.

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Speaker 4: I don't care how cool it is. If it doesn't

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Speaker 4: feel right with me and Him when I go to

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Speaker 2: So I have no problem walking away.

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Speaker 4: And I'm lucky to have parents that are like, good on,

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Speaker 4: you do it, yeah girl, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think one of the one of my favorite things

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Speaker 5: over the last ten years, I'll say, is people being

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Speaker 5: much more open about their mental health and what it

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Speaker 5: takes to keep your mental healthy right. It's not hidden

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Speaker 5: in a closet anymore. You can really say, look, I've

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Speaker 5: gone through depression. I understand what it is because there's

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Speaker 5: something about not locking it inside that makes it freeing

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Speaker 5: and helps and helps helps, it helps you towards the positive.

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Speaker 5: And so I love that through social media or whatever

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Speaker 5: it is, mental health has been much more on a

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Speaker 5: conress and much more people have been much more open

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Speaker 5: about it over the last it feels like ten to

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Speaker 1: And let's just say it too, it's important for everyone's

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Speaker 1: mental health. I think it's been so wonderful that in

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Speaker 1: the Black community that we are talking about mental health

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Speaker 1: and ways in which we haven't. And I'm sure in

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Speaker 1: all communities, but in the Black community that we're able

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Speaker 1: now to talk more openly about mental health. That's critical

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Speaker 1: and so healing. I think yes, this show is built

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Speaker 1: on connection, on showing up authentically, and on reminding each

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Speaker 1: and every one of us of what really matters. If

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Speaker 1: this resonates with you, subscribing is the easiest way to

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Speaker 1: support what we're building and help us bring more of

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Speaker 1: these uplifting conversations into the world. Back in a moment,

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Speaker 1: Now back to my legacy and Alkeshan, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: look down at my notes because you've done so much

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Speaker 1: as a business woman, and I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that I could celebrate it all because from music to

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Speaker 1: acting to entrepreneurship, I've noticed that you've created space for others,

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Speaker 1: especially women of color. And so from your first single

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Speaker 1: to your hair care brand to you have a new

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Speaker 1: film coming out. What's the kind of the line that

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Speaker 1: connects the artist that you were with the woman that

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Speaker 1: you are.

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Speaker 2: Oh Wow.

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Speaker 4: As a little girl, I feel like it was always

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Speaker 4: just want to make my parents proud.

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Speaker 2: I just want to live out my dream. This is

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Speaker 2: so fun. I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: And then now as an adult woman, there's a different intentionality.

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Speaker 4: There's life experiences, and I would say therapy too. Therapy

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Speaker 4: has been amazing, just going through key moments in my

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Speaker 4: and how I could really make it impactful that I

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Speaker 4: am now I advocate for my people because of experiences

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Speaker 4: for example, I was a six years old or uh,

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Speaker 4: just as a little girl. For example, I would drive

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Speaker 4: But I remember one specific time, being six years old,

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Speaker 2: But when I got in my mom's car, seeing him

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Speaker 4: And a rage can be really powerful if you are

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Speaker 2: This can't be it.

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Speaker 4: And then other moments throughout my life encountering racism or

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Speaker 4: And I was in an all Catholic It was at

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Speaker 4: And then I would end up Hindeswood, Georgia, at a

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Speaker 4: So in wanting to protect my loved ones, I realized that, yeah,

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Speaker 4: purpose And yeah, you can feed yourself and receive all

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Speaker 4: the blessings, but how are you blessing others? Because at

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Speaker 4: What's this world gonna be like for the child? So

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Speaker 4: there's just a different intentionality that I would say that

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Speaker 2: It's way more personal.

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Speaker 4: My fight, and it's every single day and everything I

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Speaker 4: do I I went to a last story real quick,

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Speaker 4: but I I went to a network and they had

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna quit? Y?

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Speaker 4: You need to quit this network because they're not representing us.

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Speaker 2: And I thought, well, perfect example, you could.

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Speaker 4: There's the MLK route, there's the Malcolm X route, there

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Speaker 4: But it just I try to everything that I do,

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Speaker 1: Well, y, you you obviously have read or inter or

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Speaker 1: s some type of way, you know, figured out one

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Well, one reason why I love what you had to

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Speaker 3: And I love in the mentorship relationship because you showed

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Speaker 3: this with their mentors to have that relationship. And deeply

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Speaker 3: grateful to both of you for living your legacy and

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Speaker 3: sharing your legacy with us.

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