1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglass. You know, Joy, 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: there was a I think it was a mad magazine 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: from like ages back, like it was published before my birth, 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: and I ended up like finding it a stack of 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: of my dad's old magazines and stuff and um. And 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: there was one that depicted the this medieval space race 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: between you know, kind of like the Holy War between 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: the West and in the Middle East, except it was 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: the space race. And so you have a Catholic Church 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: blasting off into space on a rocket that was propelled Uh. 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: It didn't have you know, a rocket engine in the 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: lower portions of of the of the spaceship, but it 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: had all these monks and they were just like busy praying, 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: and it was propelled into orbit via contemptous Monday, uh, 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: contempt for the Earth, and that was how they would 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: achieve orbit. Yeah. But as it turns out that while 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: there is not necessarily a Catholic space program or a 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: or a Vatican space program per se, the the Vatican 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: and the the Catholic Church is very interested in the cosmos. 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: I mean, to a certain extent, they have been for 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: a long time, because I mean there was a time 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: back in the Middle Ages you had to study astronomy 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: in order to understand theology. The Catholic Church was interested 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: in calendar, so they're interested in the way the spheres 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: are moving. And there's just a rich history of the 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: two overlapping each other, at least until things become shaky, right, yes, yes, 29 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: And and of course that brings to mind Galileo, right, 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: and the whole heliocentric model which turned the Catholic Church 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: on its head back in the day. Going from the 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: idea that the the Earth was the center of the universe, too, 33 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: something else might be the center of the universe, namely 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: the Sun, and and that it's kind of like you 35 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: can keep keep telling me science about the second when 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: it starts interfering with the theology, then we're gonna have 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: to have a serious, frank discussion about why you're a 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: heretic and why you should agree with us on this 39 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: one right, right, because there's this idea right that humans 40 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: have sort of a birthright to the universe. And so 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: if you're going to tell me that Earth is not 42 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: the center of it all. Then who you know, who 43 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: is the center of the universe if it's not humans. 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: So that was like the main problem, right Yeah. Now 45 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: since that time that the theology has come around to 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: encompass this, this idea, but at the time that theology 47 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: was not going to shift. No, it took them three 48 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years to admit that Galileo was right, 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: And in two thousand and nine they recktoned a statue 50 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: to him. And I'm gonna bet I haven't seen the statue, 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna bet it's not of him kneeling before 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: the tribunal, yeah, or broken by the inquisition, right right, 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: saying no, no, it was never mind, that was all 54 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: wrong Philip Glass. Today, I believe, Yeah, philk Class did 55 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: an opera about Galileo. Is there. Of course I have 56 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: not seen it, but my understanding is that it's told 57 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: in reverse, so it starts with a broken Galileo, you know, 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: with everything in its life and shambles, and then works backwards. 59 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: I love that guy, but every time I think of him, 60 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: I always think of that that sort of corresponding um 61 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: dance moves that tend to go along with any filk 62 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: class music, and it's always like people rolling back and 63 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: forth on a on a floor. Wos some interesting dance clubs. 64 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah you don't see that the role Yeah yeah, the 65 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: house remixes of philk class. Yeah. But so yeah, there's 66 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: there there. There's a whole hullablulu of heliocentrism, which mirrors 67 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: in a in a weird way, the search for extraterrestrial life, right, 68 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: because again it's furthering that idea of well, if it's 69 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: if it's if it's not us or you know, who 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: is it? Are there other people out there? This idea 71 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: that UM, this anthropomorphic idea of being questioned. Yeah, people 72 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: are gonna be like, hey, God created anim and Eve, 73 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: not kling Lower and Subican or something, you know, I mean, 74 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean just the idea that if we were to 75 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: find alien like it, it throws a lot of things 76 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: into You have to reevaluate a lot of accepted theology 77 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: at the idea that UM accepted within the various churches 78 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: that that say that God created the humans in his image, Like, 79 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: then what does that mean of their aliens? What is 80 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: their role are they? Do they need to be saved? 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: Do they need to be converted? Or are they good, 82 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: what's the rules? So it's really fascinating that the Catholic 83 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: Church would involve itself so heavily as of late with 84 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: the last two years in the cosmos. Again, not so 85 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: much because of their past history. Um, you know, they're 86 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: very academic in terms of um their view on cosmology. 87 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: But the fact that they would even embrace the idea 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: of aliens existing, it's sort of shocking. Yeah, because it 89 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: is one of those things, Like I said, it would 90 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: just it would throw a wrench into Uh. I'm not 91 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: saying that, you know, theology would would have to shift 92 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: to it and belief would change, but it would cause 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people to have to reevaluate how they 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: view the universe. So enter a man by the name 95 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: of Guy Consum, who who I Actually I get to 96 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: see him a couple of years back, became and and 97 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: I spoken a local college. He's a fascinating Guy's a 98 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: really interesting dude. He maintains the Vaticans meteorite collection, among 99 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: other things. Oh yeah, yeah. He has two degrees in 100 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: Earth and Planetary science from M I T. And he 101 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: works for the pope. So that's how he's sort of 102 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: bridging this whole uh, you know, Catholic Church and and 103 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: science movement as of late and uh, specifically he studies 104 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: the origins of asteroids, dwarf planets, and objects orbiting the 105 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: Sun beyond Neptune. And he entered the Jesuit order. And 106 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: this is what I thought was interesting too. He has 107 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: an interest in science because he was greatly influenced by 108 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: science fiction. Cool. Yeah, and he's a really cool beard too, 109 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: to say he has a magnificent beard. Yeah. I mean 110 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: he's just a very well spoken guy. Like you say, though, 111 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean he's been he's been making the rounds recently. 112 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: He's not speaking not just at faith based colleges, but 113 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: also showing up on like the Colbert Report, even not 114 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: not exactly the most risk free interview environment. You know, 115 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: he's he's showing up the He just all over the 116 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: lecture circuit. No, but he's a savvy guy and he's 117 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: got a lot of very interesting things to say about 118 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: how the church is squaring um, you know, space exploration 119 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: and aliens because it's just the possible existence of aliens 120 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: with theology and uh, and and very upfront about to 121 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: say that, you know, the church getting it spectacularly wrong 122 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: about Galileo or or even you know, touching on issues 123 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: of of intelligent design and an evolution. Like he's not 124 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: going so far as to say, yeah, that you should 125 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: just be totally behind evolution, but he's he's you see 126 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: him really stomping on especially the American conservative branch of 127 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: intelligent design, which oh yeah, he calls it bad theology, 128 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: and he says that it's been hijacked by American creationists fundamentalists, 129 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: and that it's essentially turning Christianity into a pagan god 130 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: who's responsible for lightning and thunder rather than the Earth 131 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: being responsible for its atmosphere, which is like, whoa, yeah, 132 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: Like consider that this is coming from uh, someone in 133 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. But there is a really interesting quote 134 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: that I pulled in. This is from a psycom you 135 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: see Santa Cruz interview by alyssa Poem, and she asked him, 136 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: what's your advice for scientists believers who don't necessarily wear 137 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 1: a collar so you're you know, you believe in God, 138 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: but you're a scientist, And he said, there's nothing to 139 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: be gained by talking religion in the scientific context. It 140 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: doesn't belong there. I'd like to see more scientists who 141 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: are churchgoers talk about their science in their church to 142 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: their fellow parishioners. Love of them. Know that science isn't 143 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: the enemy. I think there's a great hunger for science 144 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: among everyone. It's a human desire to know how the 145 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: universe works. Also, you can't do science without admitting I 146 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: don't have all the answers. Unfortunately, that's never the way 147 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: science is communicated. Scientists like saying I've got the answers, 148 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: when in fact real science says no, I don't have 149 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: the answers. I'm still trying to find them. That would 150 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: lower the temperature of any discussion. So I thought, you 151 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: know what, that is a really interesting, measured way to 152 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: talk about that. You know, it's basically the idea that 153 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: that science is really important obviously and sets up to 154 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: it to answer some extremely important questions about life. But 155 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: maybe that that religion has has has an important role 156 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: in the ethical dimensions of life that are outside the 157 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: realm of science. Right. He's saying that, you know, in 158 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: terms of his interpretation of the Bible, he doesn't take 159 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: it literally. Um that there are these are wonderful stories 160 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: to glean lessons from. But and I think that's his 161 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: problem with the whole creationism thing is that there's a 162 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: lot of uh literal stuff going on there. But I 163 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: have thought about this guy that you know, he's he 164 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: is fascinating um to know more about. And in fact, 165 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: if you want to go to scom and see that 166 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: you see Santa Cruz interview by less A Pool, you 167 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: can find out a lot more about him. But I 168 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: sort of wondered, is this the guy who's driving uh 169 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: this sort of mission from the Catholic Church or is 170 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: this just you know, them being progressive, yeah, or is 171 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: this the progressive guy that has that really has that 172 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: again is really driving something in the church or is 173 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: this the progressive guy that they let off the leash 174 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: to sort of make good with the media. Right, because 175 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: you see some other other things that the churches is 176 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: doing recently that that that is it falls into similar ground. 177 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: For instance, the church recently backed an adult stem cell 178 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: research company called Neo Stem to the tune of about 179 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: a million dollars, which granted, that's kind of chump change 180 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: for the church, but still, uh, something is is volatile 181 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: as as stem cells, uh you know, and they're you know, 182 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: and they're not going to get behind anything but adults 183 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: stem cells at this point. But still they think at 184 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: least you know, through a few bucks behind the adult 185 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: stem cell research, which was which is which is interesting well, 186 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: and again that's the scientific research part of it, right, 187 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: so they are furthering that mission for science. They've also 188 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: hosted a conference between astronomerus, physicists, by and biologists to 189 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: discuss the existence of alien life and what effect it 190 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: would have on the Church and Christianity and astronomers. Father 191 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: Fuentes he said that the search for e T does 192 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: not conflict with our faith quote because we cannot put 193 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: creative limits on the freedom of God unquote. So again 194 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: this is some really interesting messaging coming out of Catholic 195 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: Church about this. Yeah. This this guy's the same the 196 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: same one who who said that the aliens might potentially 197 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: live in a sinless state, which I think I read 198 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: that where like I still have a big question mark 199 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: over my head about that. Yeah, well it does underline 200 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: an interesting idea. I mean, it gets into the idea 201 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: of what if we've we come across the alien life 202 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: and they're far better than us, They're superior to us there, technologically, morally, ethically, 203 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: way better than us. Then we wouldn't be able to, 204 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: you know, walk into the room and say hey, we 205 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: got some some pamphlets we want you to read, and 206 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: they're like, no, thank you, we're you know, we've involved 207 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: the on consciousness and less. Yeah, there's inner sinless by 208 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: the way you read our pamphlet. Um. Yeah, it's funny. 209 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: It's someone who posts the question about whether or not 210 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: Constant Manio would baptize and alien and he said, well, 211 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: of course if if they would like that. Um. But 212 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: then he went on to say that, you know, it's 213 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: it's it's probably not likely that we're going to find 214 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: this being and there's the question of it being intelligent 215 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: and us being able to communicate with it, and so 216 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: it's not really a practical question. Yeah, if you have, 217 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: it depends on who you ask about the whole, Like, 218 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: you know, what are what are the chances that there's 219 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: life and in in the in the universe beyond us, 220 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: and and then what are the chances that it's intelligent? 221 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: Then what are the chances that will encounter it. It 222 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: becomes a safer and safer bet that the church is 223 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: making here by talking about it at all, you know, 224 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: because it's like it's kind of Like, I can talk 225 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: all day about how great I'm going to be of 226 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: an alien lands in the office here at work, but 227 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: we both know it's not gonna happen. So I'm not 228 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: gonna have to you I can say, I can. I'll 229 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: bait cakes and give speeches all day, but I'm not 230 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: gonna have to learn any lines or bring any baking 231 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: stuff to like they're not going to have to commit 232 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: to baptizing aliens and really getting behind that in earnest right, Yeah, 233 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: it's yeah, So it's it's a safe bat. Yeah, that's 234 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: that's my read on it. Now. I know, I think 235 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: it's very interesting, and I think, you know, is this 236 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: are they ahead of the curve or you know, is 237 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: this a marketing stunt? Yeah? We we're making the comparison 238 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: yesterday to the episode of the Office, the American version 239 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: where everyone's afraid of age discrimination. So Creed, the the 240 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: older creepy dude on the show. Um, he shows up 241 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: to work with his hair dyed black and starts trying 242 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: to talk about things that are young and hip. So, 243 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, the the cynical side of me reads a 244 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: lot of this and sees Creed with his obviously dyed 245 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: black hair where it's you know, it's like the old 246 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: church saying, hey, how about those space aliens. So so 247 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: what you're saying is that the church is trying to 248 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: appeal to a wider audience and is wearing skinny jeans 249 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: underneath their vestments. I think that's one view, that one 250 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: that one can take this one interpretation of what's going on. 251 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: Um I I'm I don't necessarily. I think that's there 252 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: are probably a lot of of of minds behind this movement, 253 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: and there's some people. I'm sure guy totally believes in 254 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: what he's he's putting out there. Oh no, I mean, 255 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: that's the interesting thing about this person is that he's 256 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: obviously he's a scientist, you know, through and through he 257 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: just I think he happens to wear the collar and 258 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: he's again he's trying to square that for himself, possibly 259 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: in for the Catholic Church and for our perception of that. 260 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: So there's no doubt I don't think that he's like 261 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: any sort of marketing machine. I think he's the real deal, 262 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: and that's why he's so fascinating. He's got some really 263 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: interesting insights into science and theology. Um. But yeah, I mean, yeah, 264 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: I guess. I guess we'll know on the more getting 265 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: side if that's really what they're pursuing. If the Pope, 266 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, addresses an audience and starts dropping L O 267 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: L weaferences or um or like Creed comes out with 268 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: some blue hair, perhaps this presentation is brought to you 269 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: by Intel sponsors of tomorrow. That's hard to say, but 270 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: I think it's a fascinating proposition for where we are 271 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: right now, that the Catholic Church is looking at science 272 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: in this way and opening the discussion and asking people 273 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: to to consider their place in the world in the 274 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: in the context of um of life, life outside of 275 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: the earth. I'm trailing off a little bit on that 276 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: because I'm like, yeah, I don't want to get too philosophical, 277 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: but you know, I think you're picking up what I'm 278 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: putting down there. Uh. It makes me think of a 279 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: line a quote that I got from professor by the 280 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: name of Varadaja v Rahman. And he's the author of 281 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: Truth and Tension and science and religion and um and uh. 282 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: If I remember he's actually um uh Hindu um and 283 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: he has he has a lot of interesting ideas on 284 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: this because he he often puts out that there's not 285 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: as much there's not really a clash between science and Hinduism, 286 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: that the the the controversies between science and religion tend 287 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: to exist more in Western societies. And uh, and he 288 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: had this great did you tell me? He said, I 289 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: seriously doubt that the dialogue between religion and science will cease, 290 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: But I do believe that as a result of these exchanges, 291 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: religion is likely to become less irrational and some of 292 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: its expressions in some of its expressions. In fact, one 293 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: would hope that the greatest contribution science can make in 294 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: calming religion is to eradicate the many unpleasant, unhappy, and 295 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: in many cases destructive aspects of religious expression. So I 296 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: I personally find that really encouraging. I like this view 297 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: that that it's not a situation of science and religion 298 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: duking it out and just extre emails them. Yeah. Yeah, 299 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: that that these two things can can coexist in a 300 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: in a way that is not harmful to the culture 301 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: as a whole. Yeah. And I've always wondered why we've 302 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: had to set up this paradigm of the other, you know, 303 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: as humans, in order to think that we have to 304 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: exist the way we exist. Um, So I do think 305 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting that that both sides could possibly come to 306 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: the table and for for the greater good of humanity. 307 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm holding out for that. Yeah. And I like the 308 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: idea that finding alien life wouldn't just freak everyone out 309 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: and send everybody into a tizzy because I I don't 310 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: feel like my I mean, my world view would be 311 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: changed significantly if we if we found aliens. But you 312 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: know it's I don't I wouldn't jump off a building. 313 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: So do you think the aliens might be wearing the 314 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: funny hat? That's the question? Yeah, all right, do we 315 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: have any listener emails? We have some emails. UM, a 316 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: listener by the name of Mr Squirrel. Right, and you know, 317 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: you get to you get to choose your own name 318 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: on the internet, So go for it. Um says hi, 319 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: I love the squirrel well, and he says, Hi, I 320 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: love the podcast. I had a few quick additions to 321 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: your subliminal mentioning podcast. In particular, I'm fascinated fascinated by 322 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: the way ways in which casinos have used it to 323 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: keep their clients paying Um. And then he and Mr 324 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 1: Squirrel had the three examples knows no visible clocks anywhere 325 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: on the floor on the floor to cause people to 326 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,959 Speaker 1: lose track of time, bright flashing lights and allowed sounds 327 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: to disorient and tantalize people with the chance of winning 328 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: an amaze like floor design so that people will walk 329 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: by many games on their way in and out. M 330 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm seeing some similarities with casinos and workplaces a little bit. Yeah, yeah, 331 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: what do we have. We don't really have clocks around. 332 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: We have somewhat of amaze we do, but it doesn't 333 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: go through like a gift shop or anything. Well, you 334 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: haven't been to the gift shop. I haven't. Then where 335 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: where's the gift shop? Man? You haven't been. I don't 336 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: know that I can tell you. Okay, that's not a 337 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: janitorial closet. That's all I'm gonna say. Well cool, those 338 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: are Yeah, I mean casinos are are very interesting. Um. 339 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: We could probably do a whole podcast enters in ways 340 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: that that that they mess with people and ensnare them. 341 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And it wouldn't be fascinating to to run 342 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: an m R I on someone who's gambling. What it's 343 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: going on in that head? Yours is you're playing the 344 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: One Armed bandit? Um. Here we have another one from 345 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: a listener by the name of a friend reference, and 346 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: they're writing in response to the attack of the Creative 347 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: Brain podcast. Uh, let's say. I'm an artist, a visual artist. 348 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: So many times I have thought I'm crazy, and I've 349 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: gone on to accept that just because I'm an artist, 350 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: until you said that it could be possible that my 351 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: mind just gets overloaded with ideas. Um, I've I've accepted 352 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: my craziness and I know that I'm always thinking of 353 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: ideas NonStop. I can't help it. If someone says something 354 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: about I don't know a tree, I'll immediately picture trees 355 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: in my head. I'll draw them in my head a 356 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: variety of ways, and I'll automatically begin to brainstorm idea 357 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: after idea, like I'm watching it being created in my 358 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: head rather than contributing. I feel there are ideas in 359 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: my head that are originally mine, and I feel their 360 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: ideas in my head that I have received. I've always 361 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: felt like just a vessel. I know I am just 362 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: a vessel, and now thinking of it, it kind of 363 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: makes me think of another podcast of yours, as You've 364 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: got a genius. When you guys said that we are 365 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: just host to all of this bacteria. So is our 366 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: brain too, am I simply a transmitter equipped with the 367 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: dexterity and circumstances to receive, interpret, and relay creative information 368 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: through visual representation. So it's the crazy. My ability to 369 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: organize these ideas a mental stenographer is what I am 370 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: in great need up. Let me know if you come 371 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: across one. Thanks for your info. Again, another great email 372 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: with tons of insight, because we did. We talked about that. 373 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: We talked about the parallels between UM. You know, people 374 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: who have this ability to not filter UM out as 375 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: many ideas, right, And I believe this was the the 376 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: flow of neurons and and then there was the the 377 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: schizophrenic aspect. And that doesn't that's not saying that people 378 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: who share this similar um brain action are all crazy. 379 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: It just says that, you know, they've they've studied schizophrenics 380 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: and they've studied people who are highly creative and they 381 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: noticed that the same thing happens UM. So it's really 382 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: interesting to hear a firsthand acount about that. Yeah, just 383 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: an insight into the artistic mind and like what's going 384 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: on when you're creating things? So cool. Thanks for letting 385 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: us know about that. And so if you have any 386 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: interesting ideas you want to share about how casinos and 387 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 1: snare our mind, how the creative process works, or indeed, 388 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: if you have any thoughts on the whole um combination 389 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: of Church and cosmos, and in the Vatican's interest in 390 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: space and how that might relate to your own worldview, 391 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 1: then let us know. 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