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Speaker 3: Here we go our number two on The Herd.

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Speaker 4: Jason McIntyre in for Colin Coward, joined by Rachel Nichols.

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Speaker 4: We just talked some NFL draft. We got Mark Slerath

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Speaker 4: coming up here breaking down that big Broncos trade. Broncos

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Speaker 4: best team in the AFC, A sure feels like it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Rachel, you dig Denver? Maybe kind of?

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Speaker 5: They've floated up from a team that made the championship game, right,

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Speaker 5: So I don't see.

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Speaker 3: What about your commanders. We haven't talked about him at all.

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Speaker 3: Man a minute, what's going on?

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Speaker 6: I mean, they're going to get there.

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Speaker 5: Look I said it at the time, right, it was

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Speaker 5: amazing the NFC championship.

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Speaker 7: Like when I say championship game, that's what I mean.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was a little fluky, right, they lost,

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Speaker 5: They won a bunch of like one possession games.

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Speaker 7: The other teams didn't. Yeah, and they didn't.

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Speaker 5: There was a huge question going into that game against

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Speaker 5: the Eagles that, oh, who's going to win? That's hard

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Speaker 5: to replicate right away. You got a built to it.

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Speaker 5: So I have faith.

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Speaker 3: I like that, Yeah, faith. I have faith in the

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Speaker 3: Jets for twenty twenty seven, twenty seven.

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Speaker 5: Just to be clear, I was going to say, my

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Speaker 5: faith may be different than your fish for sure.

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Speaker 3: All right, So we'll do NFL in a minute. I'm

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Speaker 3: real quick.

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Speaker 4: I just got to talk about Lebron. I know people

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Speaker 4: are ah, he's so annoying. He complains he gets hit

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Speaker 4: in the face.

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Speaker 3: It's fake.

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Speaker 4: He's not really hit like. Let's just put that all aside.

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Speaker 4: He had an unbelievable game last night, thirteen or fourteen shots.

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Speaker 4: He's forty one years old, he had six dunks. I mean,

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Speaker 4: look WHOI By the way, it's small stuff like this.

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Speaker 4: Tari Easton's number seventeen on the rockets. You see Lebron

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Speaker 4: just take him off the dribble easily in Easton shaking

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Speaker 4: his head. All these Laker bloggers out there, they're trying

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Speaker 4: to break down who are we gonna get next year.

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Speaker 4: Tarr Easton is like one of the top four targets

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Speaker 4: Lebron just abusing him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at Lebron dunkbacks.

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Speaker 4: He caught a one handed alleyup that was a toe

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Speaker 4: totally turned back to clock.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's just the guy is unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Even if you don't like his politics, or his social

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Speaker 4: media or his king all that stuff, or you're defensive

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Speaker 4: about Michael Jordan, which I don't know why you'd be.

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Speaker 3: Michael Jordan doesn't care about you.

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Speaker 4: It just feels strange to not like and enjoy what

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Speaker 4: Lebron's giving us.

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Speaker 3: There will be a day soon. Look at that Alleu

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Speaker 3: where he's gone and he's no.

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Speaker 4: Longer in the league, and you're like, oh yeah, I

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Speaker 4: can't get as excited about I don't know Cooper Flag

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Speaker 4: and just to see what Lebron's doing in this new role.

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Speaker 4: He's essentially been told, hey, man, you're a free agent.

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Speaker 4: We don't know if it's gonna work for you in

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Speaker 4: LA next year. And JJ Reddick, who used to do

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Speaker 4: has responded. Here's Reddick talking about Lebron's big night.

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Speaker 8: He was awesome tonight and I think too, you know,

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Speaker 8: part of the evolution of him on this team UH

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Speaker 8: has been in particularly in this stretch. It's just been

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Speaker 8: his patience, his patients knowing you know, he's going to

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Speaker 8: get the ball, and he's going to have transition opportunities,

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Speaker 8: and he's going to have plays called for him, and

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Speaker 8: he's gonna, you know, playoff ball and get a corner

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Speaker 8: Like he's he's going to have those opportunities, and he's

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Speaker 3: You got to respect it.

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Speaker 4: As an old guy myself, I really love to see

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Speaker 3: Put a bow on it with this.

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Speaker 4: So early in his career, Lebron was surrounded by pretty

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Speaker 4: much nothing. Took the Calves to the finals, really impressive stuff.

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Speaker 4: Then he goes to Miami. Oh, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: he can work with Dwayne Wade. They're too similar. Four

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Speaker 4: strips to the finals, two titles. Then he goes back

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Speaker 4: to Cleveland, though, can he play with Kyrie Irving a bold,

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They took down the seventy three win Warriors in the finals.

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Speaker 4: Then he goes to the Lakers Anthony Davis. Can they

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Speaker 4: work together? I mean, two ball stoppers, two non shooters,

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Speaker 4: yet win a title in the bubble. At some point,

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Speaker 4: we've got to get wise and be like, dude, why

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Speaker 4: on earth are we doubting this guy? Why all he

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Speaker 4: does is deliver all the freaking time. It's like with

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Speaker 4: Nicola Jokic and Denver Well, he's kind of doweye. He's

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Speaker 4: not athletic. He's just a great freaking basketball player. And

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Speaker 4: we see this in sports all the time.

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Speaker 3: I Mean, our next guest is.

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Speaker 4: In Denver, and like John Elway could not win the

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Speaker 3: Then it's like, oh, is he that good?

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Speaker 4: And then he went to the Super a couple times

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Speaker 4: late and delivered, Like, stop doubting superstars.

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Speaker 3: They got where they are because they're.

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Speaker 4: Special players, special athletes, a different makeup.

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Speaker 3: You're just built different. All right, Let's get to our guest.

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Speaker 4: Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Schlaret.

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Speaker 3: I've worked with him many, many years.

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Speaker 4: The guy has to be super excited right now about

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Speaker 4: his Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 3: Where are you right now? Mariot? Is a nice setup.

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Speaker 6: I'm you know what, I'm Jason right now.

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Speaker 10: I'm at the UH at the studio, just in a

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Speaker 10: conference room at the studios.

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Speaker 6: That I work at in Denver Radio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, looks sweet. So Denver's very excited right now.

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Speaker 6: Huh.

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Speaker 3: I mean, goodness, gracious, Jalen Waddle for nothing like.

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Speaker 10: It went from it went from this, this panic stricken

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Speaker 10: like the only the only players that we had signed

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Speaker 10: bro I mean, Broncos Country was just beside themselves, like

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Speaker 10: we're not going to participate in free agency, and like

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Speaker 10: we need a weapon and we haven't addressed anything, and

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Speaker 10: we don't think our players are all that good. Although

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Speaker 10: this roster is exceptional. But I will agree with the

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Speaker 10: pressure off of Bonnicks that Bonnicks can really play with.

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Speaker 6: And get excited about.

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Speaker 10: And the thing about Jaylen Waudel is he's a guy

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Speaker 10: that can lift the top of coverage. He'll run every

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Speaker 6: Catch the ball.

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Speaker 10: He can catch it, you know, at eight yards and

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Speaker 10: take it eighty. He's that type of player and that's

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Speaker 10: what he does. He's a phenomenal football player, a great kid,

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Speaker 10: who fishs the culture of the Denver Broncos, hard worker,

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Speaker 10: all those things.

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Speaker 6: And I tell you, I tell you.

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Speaker 10: He's also a guy that's smart that can play every position.

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Speaker 10: So he can play, Hey, if Courtland Sutton's out, he

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Speaker 10: can play the X. If they want to put him

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Speaker 10: he can play that receiver. He can motion down and

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Speaker 10: play in the slot, so he can do everything. He's

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Speaker 10: an exceptional athlete. And I really think this is the

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Speaker 4: Interesting, So I don't want to get too excited about

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Speaker 4: your Broncos, but I'm going through the depth chart. Secondary

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Speaker 4: stacked linebackers are very good. Defensive line lined offensive line excellent,

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Speaker 3: I don't see a discernible weakness on this team.

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Speaker 4: If you had to identify a position group, where is

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Speaker 4: the weakness mark, well.

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Speaker 6: I would say versatility. That end position.

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Speaker 10: They have a guy they named Troutman, who you know,

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Speaker 10: if he's in in base formation, and when I talk

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Speaker 10: for me, or second down and five minus, if Troutman

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Speaker 10: over the season, and a game breakdown. There is probably

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Speaker 10: going to run the ball when he's in And for Ingram,

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Speaker 10: it's exactly the opposite.

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Speaker 6: If he's in on first and.

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Speaker 10: a eighty percent chance they're throwing the ball. So to

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Speaker 10: the healthier running back JK. Dobbins is phenomenal, but he's

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 10: And so and I did not think that R. J.

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Speaker 10: I did not think that he was in every down

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Speaker 10: third down situations. In my mind, So, do you have

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Speaker 3: Okay? I just was thinking.

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Speaker 4: Listen to you talk, So you didn't mention bo Knicks

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Speaker 4: is a potential weakness. I don't think he's a weakness,

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Speaker 4: but I do recall it when he got injured. I

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Speaker 4: think there was something where Sean Payton was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: and then bo Nicks called a press conference or maybe

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Speaker 4: but bo Nick's essentially was like, no, he's wrong. Was

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Speaker 4: there any brief offseason squabble between those two or am

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Speaker 4: I making stuff up? No?

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Speaker 6: I think there's.

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Speaker 10: I mean I think the way Sean coaches, there's always

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Speaker 10: a little bit of tension. I think it's one of

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Speaker 10: the reasons they went to Davis Webb as the new

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Speaker 10: offensive play caller is because that was the quarterbacks coach.

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Speaker 10: There's a combination and a reflection there, and I think

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Speaker 10: sometimes Sean looks at it and says, maybe I'm a

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Speaker 10: little bit too close and I need to step back

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Speaker 4: This is why we have you on. That's a great take.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that anywhere.

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Speaker 10: I did an extensive breakdown on my podcast, the Signature

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Speaker 10: The knee that failed four physicals wasn't disabled enough to

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Speaker 6: You can do it. It's a bad lead, it's a

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Speaker 10: There is always going to be degenerative changes in any joint.

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Speaker 6: That's just the way it is.

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Speaker 6: That's who he is until he to do that.

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Speaker 10: But your default mechanism, Jason has got to be from

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Speaker 6: Listen, man, Miami is.

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Speaker 10: It's just hard culturally to win there. You got to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we'll wrap up Mark real quick, because

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Speaker 3: We work at Fox.

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Speaker 4: We're contractually obligated to ask you about Aaron Rodgers, who

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Speaker 3: And be should the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Even want and back? Or do they say let's reboot

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Speaker 10: Listen, man, he played pretty well last year all things considered.

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Speaker 10: I personally feel like at this particular point, you know,

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Speaker 10: am ready to say, hey, man, see you around sometimes.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 10: The one thing is McCarthy there is interesting to me

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Speaker 10: because they have worked and they have won a Super

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Speaker 10: Bowl together.

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Speaker 6: That's that, that's the interesting dynamic.

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Speaker 10: Can you get Aaron to play, you know, Aaron Rodgers football,

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Speaker 10: and can you run the ball and take some pressure

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Speaker 10: off of him for some of the things he doesn't

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Speaker 10: do as well as he used to.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm kind of with you. I would

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Speaker 3: move on. It's just a headache. Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 10: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: When you were a single guy, you like low maintenance women, right,

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Speaker 4: It's like I don't I don't need the high maintenance.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers is high maintenance Kirk Cousins to deal with.

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Speaker 10: Right, it feels to me like the the you know,

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Speaker 10: the juice is not worth the squeeze anymore.

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Speaker 6: With Aaron Rodgers, and I'm with you on Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 10: I think Kirk Cousins now two years removed from the Achilles,

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Speaker 10: and I thought last year doing an Atlanta game and

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Speaker 10: seeing what was going on on Friday practices, that.

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Speaker 6: Just baffled me.

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Speaker 10: And they nobody, nobody practiced off Kirk Cousins on a

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Speaker 10: Friday going into a game, was running his offense with

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Speaker 10: nothing but backup wide receivers and backup players. I think

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Speaker 10: I think three or four of the offensive linemen weren't practicing. Uh,

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Speaker 10: none of the receivers were practicing. Like I understand that

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Speaker 10: on Wednesday if everybody's beat up, but Friday is your

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Speaker 10: dress rehearsal, and we are practicing on Friday with nobody

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Speaker 10: who's actually going to play in the game.

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Speaker 6: I just was standing, you know, what are we doing?

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Speaker 6: But what are we doing?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they like they get you get the day off.

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Speaker 6: You know, your Hamds trains are a little store. I

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Speaker 6: don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: To fire the staff.

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Speaker 9: I mean, you know, it was for me, it was

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Speaker 9: one of those things where I'm like, dude, that that

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Speaker 9: that does Friday's your dress rehearsal.

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Speaker 6: Friday I gotta have you going. Like in my day,

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Speaker 6: if you didn't practice Friday, you didn't get to play.

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Speaker 6: That's that's how worked.

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Speaker 10: Uh, you know, and and you know, I know, I'm

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Speaker 10: old man sham on clouds, like Colin always says. But dude,

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Speaker 10: there's there's something to being ready to play this game

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Speaker 10: at an elite level.

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Speaker 6: There is something do being a professor.

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Speaker 10: I was a professional freaking football player because that's what

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Speaker 10: I did, and that's what I expect. And that to me,

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Speaker 10: is not professional football. That is that is Patty Cake,

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Speaker 10: Pop Warner. You know, everybody gets everybody gets a certificate

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Speaker 10: of participation.

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Speaker 4: Stuff, participation trophy. Love it all right, Mark Claire, great stuff.

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Speaker 4: Enjoy the off season, buddy, We'll see you soon.

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Speaker 6: All right. Sounds good to take care of buddy.

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Speaker 3: Good guy, Mark.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And he had a couple of funny one liner's in there, guys.

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Speaker 4: That guy's funny coming up next year. So I you

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Speaker 4: guys thought I was overboard comparing Cam Boozer to a

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Speaker 4: young Nicolea Jokic.

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Speaker 3: Young, I didn't say he was MVP Niccola Jokic skill

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Speaker 3: set way well.

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Speaker 4: A former NBA player has compared Kambozer to a Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame superstar.

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Speaker 3: That's next U on the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 3: Back here on the Herd. Great stuff from Mark schlat

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: If Trey Hendrickson had gone somewhere else, Max Crosby's physical

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Speaker 4: would have been.

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Speaker 3: No, no big deal.

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Speaker 4: And Plus, anytime you can mention fart, noises and armpits,

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Speaker 4: it's worth a good line.

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Speaker 3: Mark a great dude. It's gotta Rachel Nichols with.

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Speaker 6: The news No No turns.

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Speaker 2: This is the headline news.

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Speaker 7: Loved working with Mark, he was great fun. Never m

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Speaker 7: let's suck a little.

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Speaker 5: Carlos boozer though, because shockingly he has some He has

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Speaker 5: some confidence in his son.

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Speaker 7: He she think he's going to be good.

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Speaker 5: Cam and Duke just getting ready to start their tournament run,

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Speaker 5: but his dad is already looking ahead to the NBA.

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Speaker 5: Carlos said that any GM that passes on Cam will

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Speaker 5: quote regret it in fifteen years. He says that while

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Speaker 5: his son might not have a forty inch vertical, he

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Speaker 5: is an elite worker and leader. His skill set IQ

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Speaker 5: and will the wind set him apart. And he also

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Speaker 5: brought up, as you mentioned, Tim Duncan. He said that, look,

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Speaker 5: I'm not comparing him to Tim Duncan, you know, winning

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Speaker 5: five championships, but he said there have been guys who

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Speaker 5: succeed in the NBA without being He brought up Shaq

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Speaker 5: and Kobe and Vince and Tray McGrady. You know, he

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Speaker 5: didn't have that athleticism when he played against those guys

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Speaker 5: in the league.

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Speaker 7: But because he had a lot of the qualities.

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Speaker 5: That Cam has now that if you're a GM thinking

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Speaker 5: athleticism he doesn't have it, he won't succeed. Look, here's

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Speaker 5: the guy who did it, and you've brought up Jokic

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Speaker 5: and just you know, the idea that you don't need

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Speaker 5: to jump out of the gym to necessarily be a

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Speaker 5: top prospect.

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Speaker 7: You agree with that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough because nobody, nobody would have projected Yokic

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Speaker 4: based on his analytics to become what he is when

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Speaker 4: he was like twenty years old.

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Speaker 6: That zero people.

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Speaker 5: He was drafted by the way Yokic was drafted during

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Speaker 5: a commercial money engage.

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Speaker 4: Jaco bell I think, right, yeah, yeah, you just right now.

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Speaker 4: Everything is quantifiable. Yeah, what are his analytics inside eight feet?

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Speaker 4: What is his vertical well, his cone, shuttle drill or

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Speaker 4: whatever somebody was talking about earlier on the show. Everything's quantifiable,

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Speaker 4: so you could produce that to project ahead. But with

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Speaker 4: guys like Tim Duncan, we're looking in the rear view mirror.

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Speaker 4: Well look at what he did. He was athletic, well,

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Speaker 4: I mean he had a stack team, I mean, amazing

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Speaker 4: shot blocker. It's just it's really tough, and it's why

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Speaker 4: this is so fun. I Tim dunk is tough because

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Speaker 4: he was like a seven footer blocked a lot of shots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Booser, I.

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Speaker 4: Think has one block in the last five games. He's

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Speaker 4: not some shot blocking machine. But you can't quantify heart.

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Speaker 4: You guys, enter your laugh now, No, I agree with him.

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Speaker 4: IQ like is tough to measure, even in the NFL. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: when they're doing those tests for the quarterback, what is

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Speaker 4: it wonder lick And there's another one.

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Speaker 3: That's newer, like processing.

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Speaker 4: You can't quantify like rock Perty's going to be mak.

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Speaker 5: You can scout for that, especially in the NBA, and

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Speaker 5: Cam Boozer has it.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there is no.

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Speaker 5: Doubt, yeah, that he is a high basketball IQ. Being

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Speaker 5: the son of an NBA player, if it's important to

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Speaker 5: the dad to teach his son what it's like to

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Speaker 5: be a pro, these guys come out ahead.

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Speaker 7: I really believe that.

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Speaker 5: I believe that the guys who come into the league

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Speaker 5: who are sons of if there has been an effort

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Speaker 5: to really bring that knowledge down, they have an advantage.

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Speaker 5: Also by the way, from birth, they have the best

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Speaker 5: access to the best trainers YEA, and the best protein

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Speaker 5: shakes and food and you know there's a chef at

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Speaker 5: their house and all of the things that go into

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Speaker 5: making you more NBA ready. And the thing about athleticism,

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Speaker 5: I will say is it's the first thing to go. So,

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Speaker 5: you know, I think that I think that when he

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Speaker 5: says in fifteen years that could be true, that aspect

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Speaker 5: could be true. But I it's it's a gamble. It

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Speaker 5: is a gamble for NBA teams.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what if I said the name to you,

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Speaker 4: Shane Battier. Yeah, like a consummate pro.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's been articles written about how valuable he

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Speaker 4: is because of his brain. Yeah, you could do so

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Speaker 4: many things. But then you think, like, well, I'm not

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Speaker 4: drafting Shane Batty eight fifth overall. He went six actually

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Speaker 4: two thousand and one US.

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Speaker 5: So I say, Shane Battier was I covered those two

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Speaker 5: titles that he was a part of. They would not

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Speaker 5: have won without him. Now, obviously you can say that

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Speaker 5: about any key role player. You know, I will say

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Speaker 5: the X factor is actually the role player and not.

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Speaker 4: At the star.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's a reason for that. You need those

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Speaker 5: guys to be able to do what they do. I

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Speaker 5: think I think it is a very interesting choice. We've

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Speaker 5: In there is an interesting choice. I mean we've talked

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Speaker 4: So the problem is if he goes to like the

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Speaker 4: Sacramento Kings, well it's no they need an alpha superstar. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he is a different kind of superstar. Now, if he

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Speaker 4: goes to I don't know, Cam Boozer to your Wizards.

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Speaker 4: So you've got Anthony Davis, you've got Trey Young, you've

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Speaker 4: got veterans, you've got Alex Come on, you're not asking

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Speaker 4: Boozer to do a billion things because they've got guys.

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Speaker 4: If he can go, if you can fall a little bit,

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Speaker 4: it could be ideal. He goes to Utah Jazz. I know,

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Speaker 4: people can stow off at the tanking Jazz marking in Kessler.

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Speaker 4: Let's see if he moves on, Jaron Jackson, Boozer slides in,

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Speaker 4: doesn't have to be a savior.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So it's going to be a tough choice

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Speaker 5: at the top of the draft, And obviously how the

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Speaker 5: very curious to see what happens there. Right, Jason, It's

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Speaker 5: finally happened. The WNBA and its players association have agreed

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Speaker 5: to a new collective bargaining agreement. Some big wins for

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Speaker 5: the players in here. Salary cap has increased from one

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Speaker 5: point five million to seven million. Minimum salaries increased. They

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Speaker 5: were at sixty six thousand. I mean, it's kind of

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Speaker 5: crazy to think that that was the minimum in the

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Speaker 5: w Now it's three hundred thousand, and players are now

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Speaker 5: expected and this is huge to receive about twenty percent

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Speaker 7: Before this, there was no tider.

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Speaker 5: Revenue for the players, unlike the NBA, where it's a

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Speaker 5: fifty to fifty revenue share.

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Speaker 7: There was no tider revenue.

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Speaker 5: And the old song from the WNBA owners was like, hey,

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Speaker 5: league's not making any money. And the WNBA players in

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Speaker 5: this negotiation were like great, I mean you've heard this

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Speaker 5: before in labor negotiations. Show us your books, and you

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Speaker 5: know the fact that they got this twenty percent. It's

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Speaker 5: not fifty to fifty, but it is something. This is

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Speaker 5: a long labor negotiation. Now that you look back on

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Speaker 5: it and you see the deal, which side do you

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Speaker 5: think had the upper hand.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so new, I don't know that I can

665
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Speaker 4: fully weigh in. I'm happy that this happened. And my

666
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 4: guess is that this is all a projection that the

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Speaker 4: likes of Kitlin Clark and Angel Reese and the two

668
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Speaker 4: girls in LA everybody is going to be elevated by this.

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Speaker 4: And listen, there's some good players in college right now

670
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Speaker 4: that are gonna come into the league and ultimately the

671
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 4: league's on the uptick. Are they making money now? I

672
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: don't know, But like you said, the books aren't open.

673
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Speaker 4: What about in three years? But things are going to

674
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 4: be different as these players continue to elevate. And I

675
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Speaker 4: know people don't want me to make it about Kaitlyn Clark,

676
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Speaker 4: but I don't know. If Caitlin Clark's not there, do

677
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Speaker 4: they have as much negotiating power?

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Speaker 5: I mean, but she is there for these you know things. Look,

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Speaker 5: I always say that in labor negotiations it's the owners

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Speaker 5: who have the power because of a few things. First

681
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Speaker 5: of all, they're richer. Billionaires are richer than millionaires, and

682
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Speaker 5: so they can outlast things longer. They can declare losses

683
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Speaker 5: for the team as a tax break, so it's not

684
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Speaker 5: even hurting them as much financially. And the thing that

685
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Speaker 5: they have that players don't is they're not losing anything

686
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Speaker 5: over time the way players are losing a year of

687
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Speaker 5: their career. You have a year long lockout, you lose

688
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 5: a year of your prime and that is something that

689
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Speaker 5: you can't get back even if you get more money

690
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 5: in the end. So to me, owners always have more leverage,

691
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Speaker 5: But this case is fascinating to me because I think

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Speaker 5: the players actually have more leverage. To your point, they

693
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Speaker 5: need the league to keep growing. For all these valuations

694
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Speaker 5: that have come in. Oh, the Valgarries are worth four

695
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 5: hundred million dollars. Well, they need the league to keep going.

696
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Speaker 5: They couldn't really have a lockout this summer, and I

697
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Speaker 5: think the players knew that. And there's unrivaled out there.

698
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Speaker 5: There's other basketball leagues. If the WNBA shut down, there

699
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Speaker 5: is a danger of other leagues coming in there and saying, hey,

700
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Speaker 5: we're the women's basketball League. Why not doesn't have to

701
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Speaker 5: be tied to the NBA. So this is the first

702
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Speaker 5: time I can remember where the players, in my opinion,

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Speaker 5: have more leverage.

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Speaker 7: Than the owners. I think that it's amazing.

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Speaker 4: I didn't I haven't spent much time on social media

706
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Speaker 4: this week, but I will say the little toe that

707
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 4: I dipped in it felt like people were upset that

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Speaker 4: they got such a raise.

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Speaker 3: Did you get any.

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Speaker 7: Sense of that? I didn't. I mean my algorithm versus

711
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Speaker 7: your algorithm.

712
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Speaker 3: A bunch of angry women's sports.

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Speaker 7: Fans on my algorithm, and.

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Speaker 4: My only thought was, why do you care that they're

715
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Speaker 4: getting a big race and play professional basketball?

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Speaker 7: I can't see.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, if someone's upset about that, they are

718
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Speaker 5: upset actually about something else about Yeah, I mean, there's

719
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Speaker 5: just no way. Well, you can't be upset about that.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy for you. And I'll say this, I think

721
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Speaker 3: I've been on the show for three years.

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Speaker 4: The first probably two years, I don't think we did

723
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Speaker 4: any women's basketball steps. Caitlin Clark starts popping at Iowa

724
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Speaker 4: and she did the show like every other week, and

725
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Speaker 4: it starts it's only been elevated, So I'm all in,

726
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: we went to a game?

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Speaker 3: Have you taken your kids to a game?

728
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely. Now he's saying the Cup games, they've been

730
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Speaker 7: times like the Sparks a lot. All right, I'm so

731
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Speaker 7: excited for this.

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Speaker 5: Jason on Sad the Fanatics Flag Football Classic. It's going

733
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Speaker 5: to air here on Fox four PM. I'm going the game.

734
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Speaker 5: I don't know about you. I can't wait to see

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Speaker 5: this unfold and now, especially because the rosters are set.

736
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Speaker 7: This is a format change too.

737
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Speaker 5: They were originally going to have three teams of like

738
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Speaker 5: prozen celebs. Okay, and you can look at the rosters here.

739
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Speaker 5: They've changed it. Now it's two teams of pros and celebs.

740
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Speaker 5: But then they also are going to have the team

741
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Speaker 5: USA Men's Flag football squad And you might not know

742
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Speaker 5: that we had one of those, the TMOSA Flag Football Squad.

743
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Speaker 5: But remember, flag football will be in the next Olympics.

744
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Speaker 7: So these are the guys right now on the team.

745
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Speaker 5: Now, obviously they will make some changes before the Olympics.

746
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Speaker 5: I'm sitting here thinking, is this an audition for some

747
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 5: of these NFL pros or even like just retire guys.

748
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 5: You know, Tom Brady would love to add an Olympic

749
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Speaker 5: gold medal to his collection of rings. Don't you think,

750
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Speaker 5: well we let him, you know in Fox here. I

751
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: don't think we have to worry about that. I don't

752
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Speaker 5: think it overlaps with football season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean it's big names for sure. Flag

754
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: football is becoming massive. It's huge where we are, Like

755
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Speaker 4: it's an emerging girls sport.

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Speaker 10: Yep.

757
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Speaker 4: And you know a couple, Dad, my daughter is athletic

758
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Speaker 4: and you should come out to flag football. I was like,

759
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 4: is that a thing is and they're like, yes, it's

760
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Speaker 4: becoming huge and some of.

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Speaker 3: These girls actually.

762
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Speaker 4: High school it's becoming sport and then maybe college and

763
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Speaker 4: now I mean, like some of these athletes out there,

764
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Speaker 4: like I see some of the names on here.

765
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Speaker 3: These are no like Saquon Barkley.

766
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Speaker 7: Yeah, like that's an elite Jaden Daniels.

767
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Speaker 6: I mean.

768
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Speaker 5: And by the way, it's not just girls in flag football.

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Speaker 5: I know parents who don't want to put their boys

770
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Speaker 5: in football with the Brizon concussions or identify concussions. And

771
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 5: it's a great sport. It's just so much fun my kids.

772
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Speaker 5: My daughter actually played it in elementary school.

773
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Speaker 7: She loved it.

774
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Speaker 5: And this is just going to be such a fun event.

775
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 5: You can tell the players are really into it. I

776
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 5: don't know if you saw any of this draft, it

777
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 5: was crazy, like they talking trash and they were like

778
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 5: high five in each other when they got to be

779
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 5: on the team together. And it's just really fun, fun thing.

780
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Speaker 5: Tom super into it.

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Speaker 7: I love it. I think it's gonna be really really great.

782
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Speaker 7: I give you a report after I'm there on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: I see Joe Burrow there.

784
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Speaker 7: Yeah, they can big big names in this one.

785
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, no jets.

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Speaker 5: Interesting huh as I said, they've got big big names

787
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Speaker 5: in this song.

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Speaker 3: Oh all right, Rachel with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 4: So early two thousands NBA, one of my favorite players

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Speaker 4: was Tracy McGrady.

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Speaker 3: Oh love that guy.

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00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 4: Well, he had some comments this week about a situation

795
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Speaker 4: in the NBA, and I think I disagree with t Mak.

796
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 4: He's been on the show as a guest before. Honestly,

797
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 4: I love that guy. You played video games in the

798
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Speaker 4: early two thousands, Temac was unstoppable. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 4: his comments next year on The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports radios

802
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: and the iHeartRadio app.

803
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 5: Star studied three team round robin tournament featuring the best

804
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 5: in the game. I'm so excited about this. I'm going

805
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 5: to work on a Saturday. I am going to be there,

806
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 5: But if you're not into the LA area, get on

807
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 5: your couch be there Saturday at four pm Eastern only

808
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 5: on Fox.

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Speaker 4: Sounds like an exciting time to be alive. You know,

810
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 4: I got to just talk about this Tracy McGrady thing.

811
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Speaker 4: So obviously, the NBA announced they're expanding this week. They

812
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: announced this week their expansion. It'll happen in like twenty eight,

813
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: twenty nine in that ballpark. They're going to go Vegas

814
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 4: and one other city. But all that's in material right now.

815
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Speaker 4: Because Tracy McGrady T mac, as he's known, the legend

816
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 4: from the Orlando Magic. I think he was a star

817
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 4: with Houston, scored like unbelievable amount of points in ten

818
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 4: seconds or whatever he was in with the Raptors.

819
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: Just a great career, T MAC.

820
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Speaker 4: I totally disagree with what he said about expansion. Here's

821
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 4: t mac on if the league has enough talent to

822
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: spand we.

823
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Speaker 11: Don't have the talent to be trying to start two

824
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 11: more teams. I just don't think we have the talent

825
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 11: to start two more teams, now do Can we.

826
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: Take two teams away and add two teams.

827
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Speaker 11: To still get me a still be as I'm saying

828
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Speaker 11: to still stay at thirty, I'm saying, keep it at thirty.

829
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Speaker 4: I don't really know what he means by we don't

830
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 4: have the talent. My guess is that everybody's looking at

831
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 4: all the team's tanking and saying, oh my gosh, the

832
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 4: bottom four teams have lost thirty five games in a row.

833
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 4: There's no talent in the league. And like guys that

834
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 4: that's just not reality. The NBA is swimming with talent.

835
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 4: I know the guys from the two thousands and the

836
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 4: nineties in the eighties don't want to hear it, but

837
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 4: there is infinitely more talent in the NBA now than

838
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 4: there was twenty and thirty and forty years ago. It's

839
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 4: not even close. And you know why, because the game

840
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: is international. Yes, we can thank the Dream Team for it,

841
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 4: but they largely put basketball on the global map. We're

842
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: now pulling guys into the NBA from Asia, all over Europe.

843
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.

844
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 4: There are more international players in the league now than

845
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 4: ever before, and it's not close. I mean, I don't

846
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 4: even need to tell Temac. I think the last six

847
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 4: MVPs have been international guys, and you have I'm gonna

848
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: count Canada SGA even though he went to Kentucky, Like,

849
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: come on, it's.

850
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Speaker 3: Not even close.

851
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 4: The game is a global sport, and then you want

852
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 4: to bring in college basketball. So yes, in the last

853
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 4: five years, a lot of guys coming from college were

854
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 4: not ready or even close.

855
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: I brought up to Scoot Henderson.

856
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: Do you remember, for like eight minutes there was a

857
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Speaker 4: Wemby or Scoot Henderson, who's the number one pick?

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00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: It's close.

859
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: It's like, what the hell are you guys talking about?

860
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: And listen.

861
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: I liked Scoot Henderson's game for the you know, fourteen plays.

862
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: I saw him before he came into the draft, but like,

863
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: he's not close Wemby.

864
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 4: These international guys come in polished, they've been playing pro

865
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Speaker 4: since they were like fourteen, like Scoot Henderson, and a

866
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: lot of these G league guys, they were not ready. Ah,

867
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 4: but the NIL game has changed things in college. So

868
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 4: now you've got a lot of good players who instead

869
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: of going to G league ignite and being selfish and

870
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 4: looking to show out with street ball moves and dunks

871
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: and flashiness, they're going to college, getting paid and playing

872
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: in systems and structure that gets them ready for the league.

873
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Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, they're staying longer.

874
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 4: Because I don't want to go in the middle of

875
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Speaker 4: the second round when I can make two million dollars

876
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: playing for Michigan or Illinois.

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Speaker 3: I mean Yaxa.

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Speaker 4: Lundeborg of Michigan, twenty three years old. He could have

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Speaker 4: gone into the draft last year, would have probably been

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Speaker 4: early second, late first, stays at Michigan, makes five million dollars,

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Speaker 4: reject seven million from Kentucky according to him, and he's

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Speaker 4: a Big Ten player of the year. And now it's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: this guy should be a lottery pick. He's talented even

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Speaker 4: and he's twenty three, so he's gonna come in ready

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Speaker 4: to help.

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Speaker 3: So like all signs are pointing.

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Speaker 5: To t Maak.

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Speaker 4: The talent is definitely there. And the international guys. We

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Speaker 4: talked about this, I think it was with Miles Simon,

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Speaker 4: maybe case of Jacobson. But go look at the Arizona roster.

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Speaker 4: International guys, they're not anymore playing in Byron Munich They're

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Speaker 4: playing in college basketball, high level NCAA tournament. I'm telling

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Speaker 4: you there's a guy Kartenkov on Arizona, best glue guy

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Speaker 4: in the country, and his numbers are down. But if

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Speaker 4: he went to and played at George Washington or I

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Speaker 4: don't know, some middling team in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 3: Or what have you.

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Speaker 4: He would be putting up twenty a game. His numbers

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Speaker 4: are mediocre. NBA loves him. He's ready to come in

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Speaker 4: and do everything. Players are smarter, you've got better nutrition.

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Speaker 4: It's not the talent is there. We can easily have

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Speaker 4: thirty two teams in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't disagree with T. Mac moore.

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Speaker 4: I think people are overreacting to the tanking this season,

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Speaker 4: which make me bad.

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you right now, nobody's going to care.

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Speaker 3: In three years if you.

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Speaker 4: Tanked, you got Caleb Wilson and he's putting up Cave

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Speaker 4: Cunningham numbers in three years for New Orleans or whatever.

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Speaker 4: So the talent is there. Basketball is on the rise.

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Speaker 4: College and Pro Final Hour coming up next here on

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