1 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show 2 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: for everybody today. Indeed we do. I mean, first of all, 3 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: I think on all of our minds is what the 4 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: hell is happening with all of these things that we 5 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: are now seeing in the sky and getting shot down? 6 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: What are they? Were they there before and we just 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: didn't know about it? Crazy Pentagon press conference yesterday where 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: they're like, we can't roll out aliens. So we're going 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: to go deep into all of that because it is 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: in our wheelhouse, and specifically in soccer's wheelhouse. So we'll 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: bring all of that down for you. Also, we have 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: some big twenty twenty four news. Nikki Haley apparently jumping 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: in the race of this week. We've got a sneak 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: peek at her first ad that she's going to be 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: putting out. And we also have new war of words 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: between Trump and Ronda Santis. Apparently the public nickname is 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Rhonda sanctimonious private nickname is meatball Ron devastating, Yes, so 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. We also have some pretty extraordinary 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: comments from Brazil's President Lula with Joe Biden about Ukraine, 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: and also new indications that Russia is plotting a new 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: offensive there. We have someone who is now accusing mister 22 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: Beast of being ablest. You're going to enjoy listening to 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: this piece. And we also have someone who is on 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: the ground in Ohio is from that region of Ohio 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: where that Norfolk Southern train was derailed and they ended 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: up doing a quote unquote controlled release of the chemicals 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: there that has resulted in a just catastrophic environmental devastation. 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: A lot of questions there of our residents are actually 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: safe to come back to their homes. So we'll get 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: into that as well, But let's go ahead and start 31 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: with whatever is going on above our above us in 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: the skies right now. It has been one of the 33 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: most insane ten days in modern history for our airspace 34 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: for shootdowns. The NORAD commander actually said yesterday it's the 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: first time ever that we've been shooting down objects in 36 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: our skies literally in American history. So let that sink in. 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: We've add now four shootdowns in the last eleven days. 38 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up there on the screen 39 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: since we last saw you. The first object which was 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: shot down was off the Alaskan coast over the Ileutian Island. 41 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: So this object was downed at forty thousand feet and 42 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: posed a quote reasonable threat to the safety of civilian flight. 43 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: President Biden. All he would say about it is quote 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: it was a success, and the object was shot down 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: somewhere over the islands and allegedly crashed on ice. Now 46 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: to this, what we know right now this object, which 47 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: we will get to some of the characteristics of the 48 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: object itself, has not yet been recovered by US investigators, 49 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: despite initial promises that they would do. So they're blaming 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: it on the weather. I mean, you know, you could 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: empathize with that. It's pretty cold out there in Alaska. 52 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: It literally landed out on the ice. So they're having 53 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: some mission to try and go retrieve it. So, as 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: of yet, we still have no photo indication, video forensics, 55 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: nothing about this said object. That was obviously one that 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: caused a lot of consternation because it came immediately after 57 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: the balloon. But then lo and behold, on February eleventh, 58 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: just two days ago, let's go and put this up 59 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: there on the screen. Perhaps the most shocking one yet 60 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: to date was Prime Minister Justin Trudeau revealing, quote, I 61 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: ordered the takedown of an unidentified object that violated Canadian airspace. 62 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: Nor AD Command, the North American Air Defense shot down 63 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: this object over the of the Yukon territory. Canadian and 64 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: US aircraft were scrambled and a us F twenty two 65 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: fired at the object. So this was an object that 66 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: was right above the Yukon territory in Canada, scrambled by 67 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: the Canadians and by the Americans. Eventually the us F 68 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: twenty two downs it. Now here's the thing with these objects. 69 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: With the Alaskan one, we haven't yet received any initial indication. 70 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: We got conflicting reports about what it looked like. With 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: the Canadian one, though, we are looking at something that's 72 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: very interesting. We have some pilots that apparently have been 73 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: talking behind the scenes with media outlets saying that the 74 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: object that was shot down interfered with sensors, and some 75 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: pilots claim to have seen no identifiable propulsion on the 76 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: object that shot down over Canada. This was described on 77 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: CNN over the weekend. Just take a listen to that. 78 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: Those pilots, we have learned, have given very conflicting accounts 79 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: of what they actually experience, with some pilots saying that 80 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: the object interfered with the plane sensors, other pilots saying 81 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: that they didn't really experience that. Other pilots saying that 82 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: when they looked at the object, they could identify no identifiable, 83 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: identifiable propulsion system, and they did not know how it 84 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: was actually staying in the air cruising at that altitude 85 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: of about forty thousand feet. So this has all added 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: to the Pentagon's wariness of describing in more detail what 87 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: this object actually is. Immediately after the Canadian object, there 88 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: was another indication let's go and put this up there 89 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: on the screen over north central Montana, quote unquote, no 90 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: time TAM was issued calling National Defense Airspace over Montana. 91 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: That was one of the places where we have an 92 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: intercontinental ballistic missile base. Representative Matt Rosendale of Montana put 93 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: out this statement, quote, I am in constant communication with Norcom. 94 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: They have just advised me they have confidence there is 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: an object. It was not an anomaly. Now the reason 96 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: why is that after this no TAM was issued, they 97 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: called a false alarm crystal and they said, oh, actually 98 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: the object, it was an anomaly, it wasn't there. Well, 99 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: that turns out not to have been the case. The 100 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: object was there. We actually lost track of the object 101 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: until it was then shot down yesterday. So let's go 102 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: ahead and put this up there on the screen, bringing 103 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: us to our final shootdown. The final note TAM that happened. Yeah, 104 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: so far, that's a good point. Final not TAM. It 105 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: was issued closing over Lake Huron and Lake Michigan. Eventually 106 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: that object was downed. According to what we know now, 107 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: US representatives had been briefed by the Pentagon that object 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: was the same one that was seen over Montana. Was 109 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: actually shot down at a distance much lower. It was 110 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: like twenty five thousand feet. And this one, apparently the 111 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: pilots say was had an octagonal shape. So for those 112 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: who are keeping track, I've put this together. It's a 113 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: real war on geometry. We've got an octagon, we've got 114 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: a cylinder, we've got something else. Nobody knows what the 115 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: hell's happened over Alaska. Some of them have no visible 116 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: means of propulsion. They're flying all over the place. Forty 117 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: thousand feet, forty five thousand feet, twenty thousand feet. It 118 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: was eventually shot down. Any questions, Yeah, a lot of questions. 119 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: What's happening here? So look, we're about to talk with 120 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: a great guest, Tom Rogan, an old friend of the show. 121 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: He's somebody very tapped into this. He's a fore UFO people. 122 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: You will know Tom. He's done some great reporting on this. 123 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: Now the reason why and I thought about this all 124 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: the way back from kind of the beginning we were 125 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: talking about the balloon, which is Christopher mellen, former cust 126 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense, another person very big in the UFO community, 127 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: has been talking about this for a long time. Here's 128 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: the consider this reality. This isn't a new phenomenon. We 129 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: just recalibrated our sensors. So what they've been talking about 130 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: crystal is and Christopher Mellon has said this, Look, we 131 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: gather all this data, but the way that we decipher 132 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: that data is what tells us everything. Us nor AD 133 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: radar sensors and all that they're calibrated for enemy aircraft. 134 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: They were not calibrated for these smaller balloons and other 135 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: type of objects. Hence, why whenever we found out that 136 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: the Trump administration during that time that there were two 137 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: Chinese overflights of balloons that happened at that time, they 138 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: only discovered that after the fact because they rolled through 139 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: the past data. So here's what happened after the balloon. 140 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: They have recalibrated the data to actually make it sensitive 141 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: to identify anything as small as a Volkswagen Beetle car. 142 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why a lot of what 143 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: we're discovering our quote unquote car size car size objects. 144 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: So Tom put this out there. Let's put this up 145 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: there on the screen. He says, quote likely all of 146 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: these scrambles for objects are not because the objects just 147 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: started flying around, but because Norrad expanded its radar hits 148 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,559 Speaker 1: of interest to include balloons and smaller objects. And also 149 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: it's political so that the White House told the Pentagon 150 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: to tell Norrad intercept immediately if there is any doubt. Now, 151 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: once again we have zero indication of what these objects are. 152 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: I will leave it up to all of the imagination. 153 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't dare speculate here on the show, but you 154 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: can tell I'm excited. At the same time, it's a 155 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: global phenomenon. People, let's put this up there. We've had 156 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: two separate instances now, the Uruguayan Air Force saying that 157 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: there were quote flashing lights in the sky over their airspace, 158 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: and actually China scrambling some jets and saying that they 159 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: were intercepting some sort of unidentified flying object spotted near 160 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: the Yellow Sea, so it's almost like a UFO swarm, 161 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: if you will. And then the final my personal favorite, 162 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: while we were all watching the super Bowl, or some 163 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: people were watching the Super Bowl by the way, condolences 164 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: to my girlfriend's father, big Eagles fan. I feel bad 165 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: for the guy this more, but congratulations is one of 166 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: our cameraman who's one of the biggest Chiefs fans that 167 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: you will ever meet. Congratulations Coviyn. Let's go ahead and 168 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: play this clip. During the Super Bowl, the Pentagon was 169 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: still giving a press conference about the object that we 170 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: shot down yesterday over lake here on where he will 171 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: not rule out the possibility of extraterrest real life. Let's 172 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: take a listen. Have you ruled out aliens or extra 173 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: terrestrials and if so, why, because that is what everyone 174 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: is asking us right now. Thanks for the question, Helene. 175 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: I'll look the intel community and the counter intelligence community 176 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: figured that out. I haven't ruled out anything. At this point. 177 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: We continue to assess every threat or potential threat unknown 178 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: that approaches North America with an attempt to identify it. 179 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: I haven't ruled out anything extraordinary. That is one of 180 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: the most extraordinary quotes that I've ever heard ever. So, 181 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't know what to say. Again, 182 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: my personal bias has been that we have no idea 183 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: what's been flying around up there for a long time. Also, 184 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: here's the other thing. Everyone's like, oh, it's clearly balloons. 185 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: If they were balloons, they would say, so all right, 186 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: Like it was the Chinese balloon. We could see it 187 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: from the naked eye, we had the video. If it 188 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: was if there was even a string, they would tell 189 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: us it was a balloon. They're not saying it's a balloon. 190 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: The people who are one tiny, little, one little string 191 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: hanging off that thing, they'd be like, oh, it's a balloon, 192 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: don't worry about it. They the reason why they're telling 193 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: us they don't know is because they don't know. And 194 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: from the pilots. Look these pilots, they're standing up for themselves. 195 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: They're coming out and they're telling everybody exactly what they saw. 196 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: They're like, look, we got no visible Everyone's like, oh, well, balloons, 197 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: balloons don't have visible means of propulsion. That's actually not true. 198 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: All modern spy balloons are equipped with propulsion that was 199 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: including the Chinese balloon. By the way, part of why 200 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: the explanation for why it blew off course was ludicrous 201 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: because they actually have motors on board, including our spy balloons. Okay, 202 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: so let's put that one out the window too. Is 203 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: in terms of the descriptions of these objects, we've got cylindrical, 204 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: we've got diagonal, octagon, if you will consider also that 205 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: that broadly conforms with some of the past UFO videos 206 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: have been put out from twenty seventeen onwards. We have 207 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: a gamble video, we have a triangle UFO, We've got 208 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: pyramid videos that have come out, you know, so there's 209 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: some dispute on the pyramid UFO, but look, the point 210 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: is is that we have had irregular shapes, geometric shapes 211 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: like this that have been well described by pilots who 212 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: have spotted these things. The tic TAC as well, also cylindrical. 213 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: So this is an extraordinary event. And here's the thing, Christal, 214 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of skepticism from people, rightfully, 215 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: I mean think it should be. There's a lot of 216 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: toxic Is this a syop all of that? I am 217 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: going to err on the side of incompetence and what 218 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: I've always aired on with UFOs, which is they're not 219 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: trying to spin you. They have no idea what's going on. 220 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: That's always been my theory, and they're too afraid to 221 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: tell us we don't know what's going on up there. Yes, yeah, 222 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: it really does. So I buy the idea that, Okay, 223 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: after the Chinese by balloon situation, and that was like 224 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: an embarrassing situation administration, they recalibrate the radars and now 225 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: they're picking up all of these things that it's not 226 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: that they weren't there before, it's that we just weren't 227 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: detecting them before. That part I buy. But that still 228 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: leaves the gigantic question of, Okay, well, then what the 229 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: hell are they look? Maybe they're all Chinese, maybe they're 230 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: all from the same sort of like Chinese buy program. 231 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: Taiwan is out saying, listen, this happens to us all 232 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: the time. By the way, China is out this morning 233 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: now accusing us of flying a bunch of by balloons 234 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: over their territory. They're like, they've done this to us 235 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: ten times, which I don't doubt, by the way, so 236 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: they're like, why are you so upset when you're doing 237 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: the same stuff to us over here. Could be all Chinese, 238 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: but we just don't know. And to your points, I mean, 239 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: the first one was very obvious. It literally had Chinese 240 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: characters on it, like it was not in doubt. It 241 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: was clearly a balloon, clearly had Chinese characters on it. 242 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: So why are they having so much trouble describing what 243 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: these are and explaining some American people what is going on? 244 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: There's other little questions too, like why did Trudeau need 245 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: us to get involved and shooting down the one over 246 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: their territory? What's that all about? And then lastly, and 247 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: then we'll go ahead and bring in our guests. So 248 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: maybe I'm sure he doesn't have any definitive answers to 249 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: these either, but he has a lot of insight into 250 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: what might be going on here. There's an interesting edit 251 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: in the New York Times regarding the extraterrestrial piece. So 252 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: before that press conference with the NORAD commander when he 253 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: said listen can't rule anything out, they had this line 254 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: in the New York Times article that said the incursions 255 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: seemed to become so common that Biden administration officials have 256 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: found themselves issuing private assurances that there is no evidence 257 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: that they involve extraterrestrial activity, but officials also acknowledge privately 258 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: that the longer they are unable to provide a public 259 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: explanation for the provenance of the objects, the more speculation grows, 260 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: so revealing their little piece of inside reporting that even 261 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: Biden administration officials are having to tell people around them like, 262 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: I really don't think that it's extraterrestrial activity, which is 263 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: remarkable in and of itself, but also an acknowledgment there 264 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: that they can't really rule anything out now. Once the 265 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: press conference happened and they got that answer from the 266 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: NORAID commander, they updated with that answer and actually removed 267 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: that piece about the internal Biden administration sort of deliberations 268 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: and the way that they've had been having to issue 269 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: guidance privately to people around them. But it is a 270 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: it is just a remarkable situation, more questions than answers 271 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: at this point. We have no idea. And the other 272 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: thing is we've had some cleanup, you know, from some 273 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: of these officials. They'll come out and they'll be like, well, 274 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: it was it resembled a balloon. It's like, well, okay, 275 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: well was it a balloon? Or not. And once again, 276 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: none of the debris has been recovered from any of 277 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: these sites, which I don't know if you remember this. 278 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: We had that Chinese balloon in a boat like three 279 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: hours later there was video literally of like guys on 280 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: the scene with high resolution cameras who were capturing US 281 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: Navy divers bringing the balloon into the boat. So where 282 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: was suddenly? Look, you can I get that it's far away. 283 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: Last time I checked, we created a thing called helicopters, 284 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm pretty sure that we'll be able 285 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: to just fly to wherever the thing is and take 286 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: it up and then right there. Yeah, and then yes, 287 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: and what we have bases all over Alaska. You're really 288 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: telling me that we can rescue somebody in a coast 289 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: guard waters where you can't go out on the ice 290 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: and go grab this thing or what. We don't have 291 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: drones that can get high resolution footage. The sun doesn't 292 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: shine up in Alaska, same in La. You know, I 293 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: was saying, you know some amateurs who live around that area. 294 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you should do this, but if you 295 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: were to get in your boat and go check it 296 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: out for us, that would be great because I would 297 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: really I would really like to do. What the hell 298 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: is going on? No photos, no forensics. All we have 299 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: is actually, this is the real disservice that'll end on 300 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: before we bring tomm in. All we have our anonymous leaks. 301 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: Pilots say this, Some say that, oh well, it resembled 302 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: a balloon, but it didn't. It wasn't definitively a balloon. 303 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: Officials speculate enough enough. You cannot have this. I mean, 304 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: this is one of the most again historically, this has 305 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: never happened before in American history. Three subsequent shootdowns in 306 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: less than a week all over US airspace of completely 307 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: unidentified objects, and where is the president? The guy doesn't 308 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: give us a press conference. I mean, people are rightfully scared, 309 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: and they're like trying to figure out what the hell 310 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: is going on. So anyway, we'll end it there. That's 311 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: all we know at this time. You know, in terms 312 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: of speculation, we'll do our best to go and bring 313 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: you guys much more detail. We let's ahead and bring 314 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: in our friend Tom Rogan, the show's standing by. Let's 315 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: put him up here on the screen, Old friend Tom. 316 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: Good to see you, Thanks for joining the show man. 317 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: Good to be with you. Guys. Thanks Tom, you've been 318 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: doing a lot of reporting on this. We read your 319 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: tweet earlier about the recalibration of NORAD and systems. What 320 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: is your read on this situation right now? What are 321 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: your sources telling you? Well, I think the fundamental point 322 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: that you guys just hit on there is number one. 323 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: The government really has caught itself in a web here 324 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: by basically playing down, along with a lot of people 325 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: in the media, quite frankly, the idea that some UFOs 326 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: are you know, truly unknown and to your point saga 327 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: that we still don't have debris recovery officially for these 328 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: most recent incidents. I think beggars belief based on how 329 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: the military operates, you know, I fundamentally that I don't 330 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 1: think is true. I think they just don't know, at 331 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: least in a couple of these cases what they shot down. 332 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: And now they've opened, you know, the basket of worms 333 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: by recalibrating the radar systems and their intercepts. So as 334 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: before they could say that, you know, some of the 335 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: more unusual UFOs, let's say, to be generous, are you know, 336 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: sensor aberrations things that you know it's a win the 337 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: radar is misaligned, et cetera. It's too small to be 338 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: a concern. We can just ignore it now because of 339 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: their changes, because it's political, because of the balloon they're 340 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: running up and intercepting all this stuff that's probably been 341 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: there for a very long time and they don't know 342 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: quite how to deal with. Then. I think the secondary 343 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: point that's really interesting is the media spin now is well, 344 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: there's no evidences extraterrestrial. Well, obviously, I mean, what are 345 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: they expecting there that there's going to be some communication 346 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: between these drones and something, you know, in outer space 347 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: in a foreign language. What they're not saying, though, is 348 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: there's evidence here of unconventional technology and capability. The closest 349 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: we've got to that, which is the most compelling statement, 350 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: I think, is the norried commanders saying we don't know 351 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: how it's staying aloft and propulsion, which really roots back 352 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: to the more extraordinary UFOs. Anyway, unconventional technology quite frankly 353 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: means it ain't US, and it probably ain't China and 354 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: Russia in terms of these capabilities. What we really need 355 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: to see now, I think, is what is some of 356 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: the radar showing with what these objects have been doing 357 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: before the intercept. Have they been moving in ways that 358 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: really then gets to you know, very far our speeds 359 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: for example, an anti potentially you know, anti gravity style behavior. 360 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: Excellent point. Yeah, those are all great points. You know, 361 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: we've obviously been covering here that preliminary assessment about the 362 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: unidentified aerial phenomena, all the reportings and sightings, the videos, 363 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: the pilot accounts of you know, seeing things that they 364 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: can't really explain, that moves and ways that seem to 365 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: defy physics and technology as we understand it. How do 366 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: these limited descriptions we have of these objects dovetail with 367 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: some of those earlier sightings and accounts. Well, I think 368 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: that the fundamental point goes back to clearly the military 369 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: knows enough, or at least elements of the military know 370 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: enough to know that these are you know, unconventional and 371 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: when we look at you know, the reporting in recent 372 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: years that unfortunately has been kind of limited to limited 373 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: journalists wanting to do this, there are the things we 374 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: would look for in terms of saying that something truly 375 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: you know, extraordinary is going on with some UFOs with 376 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: a very small percentage of UFOs, is you know, hypersonic 377 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: instantaneous acceleration, trans medium travel, can go under water without cavitation, 378 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: which is air bubbles so that the submarines will pick 379 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: them up. On sonar, the ability to kind of stop 380 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: on a dime, the ability to incur what we would 381 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: perceive to be you know, g forces raising into the hundreds. 382 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: What is really notable though, and I think goes back 383 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: to that stigma point which is so central to this topic, 384 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: and frankly, I think underlines where there's been such journalistic 385 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: malpractice and not being willing to turn it from certain 386 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: folks such as yourself, is the point that the military 387 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: has been able to somehow, I don't want to say 388 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: buy off, but blur off members of the media scientific 389 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: community by saying, oh, that's probably a radar or sonar 390 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: or satellite sensor malfunction, even when it correlates with you know, 391 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: trained aerial observers. The point I always make that was 392 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: made to me. You don't put someone in charge of 393 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: sonar on an attack or ballistic missile submarine or a 394 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: satellite system or at the highest end, you know, one 395 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: hundred and forty million dollar fighter jet loaded with weapons 396 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: if you think they might not be playing with a 397 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: full deck, right, what they decide to fly. What if 398 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: they decide to fly off to New York and do 399 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: a nine to eleven style attack, if they decide to 400 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: not alert that there's something coming on on the sonar 401 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: in the submarine, like, this is just not this is ludicrous. 402 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: The opposite is true. You put the most you know, 403 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: coached people in charge as such. That is an excellent point. 404 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: It's like for for people to say, oh, these guys 405 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: were mistaken. You're saying that some of the most seasoned 406 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: warfighters through the Global War on Terror, who have had 407 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: flown thousands of hours of air missions, who have presumably 408 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: in countered millions of different objects or whatever, cannot distinguish 409 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: from their equipment what is an anomaly and what it's 410 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: actually real. It's completely ridiculous. Tom One thing I think 411 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: for people at home, I've received a lot of pushback 412 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: on this. I'm sure you have as well, is this 413 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: is a si oup? What are you guys falling for? 414 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: Clearly this is all in preparation for this. There's a 415 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: belief that the US government is competent enough or smart 416 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: enough in able to craft this big narrative here in 417 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: the lead up to something However, something you and I 418 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: have discussed privately and often is the truth is is 419 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: that they're just terrified to say, we have no idea 420 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: what's going on up there. Giving your own experience, you're 421 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: talking with Pentagon intelligence sources and all that. Which one 422 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: do you think is the actual scenario that's playing out here. 423 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: I think there's probably a very small element that has 424 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: sustained really since the Manhattan Project in the Second World War, 425 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: which has known that there, you know, is there's some 426 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: other intelligence operating some of these things. But I think 427 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: broadly the same principles that the military applied to this 428 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: issue in the nineteen forties and fifties sustains today, which 429 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: is to your point, they truly don't know. They know 430 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: it's not US, Russia or China again in this very 431 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: small percentile, But when they have the sensor data matched 432 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: up with pilots, multiple different platforms, mouldible pilots, multiple aircrews 433 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: and platforms, sonar operators, for example, something really is compelling 434 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 1: going on there and they don't know what to do. 435 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: Right they have it's an unconventional technology, it behaves in 436 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: intelligent ways in terms of its counter maneuver. Sometimes when 437 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: it's intercepted, and there's a tradition of credible witness accounts, 438 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: police offers and military whatever you want, going back decades 439 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: that talk to something going on. Either there is a 440 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: mass hallucination that ranges over decades and has some kind 441 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: of you know, telepathic communication based on people who've never 442 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: met describing similar incidents, or you know, I think the 443 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: more realistic answer, which is what we are going to 444 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: I think find out in the next few years simply 445 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: because of more journalistic and scientific scrutiny. That lesser point 446 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: particularly is that really there is something going on here 447 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: and the government just doesn't know what to do with it, 448 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: and you know, how do you address that? And so 449 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: the stigma point make it all a little bit silly 450 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: and hope these things don't you know, create issues, although 451 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: if you look at some of the nuclear weapons portfolio 452 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 1: with this, there are points I would say of national 453 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: security concern. You know, you're right, the government doesn't know 454 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: what to do about it. Earlier, Tom, you said you 455 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: felt pretty confident that this couldn't be Russian or Chinese technology. 456 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: Why do you feel so certain because I think what, 457 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: you know, what most people have sort of gone to 458 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: outside of a extraterrestrial explanation is yea, these are probably 459 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: all likely Chinese. You know, we had the one Chinese 460 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: Bibles war Chinese by balloons or other sort of surveillance aircraft. 461 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: Or maybe they're partnered up with Russia, or maybe Russia 462 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: has their own capability or some other country, but you know, 463 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: most likely I think fingers point at those two. What 464 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: makes you so confident that they don't have the technological 465 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: sophistication to achieve things that you know, we've been unable 466 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: to achieve with regards to our own military and surveillance technology. Yeah. 467 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: I think the first point to note is you know 468 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: that some of these things will turn out. I mean 469 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: these most recent ones. Why I say that is the 470 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: nor Ed commander's statement that we don't. It's an unconventional 471 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: propulsion source. The Chinese and Russian still at their next generation, 472 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: which we have good insight too, and I meant least 473 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: people I've taught to we have pretty good insight into 474 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: how they're developing their next generation of capability, so hypersonic 475 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: glide vehicles for example, still based on flight surface characteristics, propulsion, 476 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: and also the fact that these unconventional things have been 477 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: essentially described for decades in a way that you would expect, 478 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: or you would an adversary or the United States would 479 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: have deployed these interaction to China, for Taiwan, for example, Russia, Ukraine, 480 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: the United States, so you know, maintain you know, global 481 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, foreign policy supremacy, whatever you want, they would 482 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: have delivered. We have no intelligence information to suggest that 483 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: there's been some breakthrough by these countries over a period 484 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: long period of time. And secondly, I think that the 485 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: point to note is that you know, when you look 486 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: at things, these most recent incidents that again being described 487 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: as unconventional, how are they're operating? Well, you need a 488 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: launch platform to get them there, right, you need to 489 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, submarines can launch these things, but it's very 490 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: hard for submarines to get that close to the United States, 491 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: certainly very hard for them to operate something that would 492 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: suddenly appear in the middle of the country, you know, 493 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: and so it just doesn't add up. Again, there are 494 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: like with the with the drone element off the West Coast, 495 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: some of that although I think more limited than sometimes 496 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: people or it's not everything. Certainly there is a Chinese 497 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: the PLA will fly them off tankers, drones, advanced drones, 498 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: but the unique ones that show again those breakthrough technologies 499 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: in terms of the data and the witness reports the 500 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: Tiktak in two thousand and four Dave Raber for example, 501 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: that is not China, Russia in the United States. And 502 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: because it's not that and no other nation, it leaves, 503 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, either the mass hallucination effect, which I just 504 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: don't think is credible, or it leaves something truly unconventional 505 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: going on. And again, I suppose the top line answer 506 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: to your question is everyone I've talked to, and I'm 507 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: sure far better journalists kind of doing the national security 508 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: have talked to, there is no information to suggest the 509 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: Chinese or Russians or another actor Ela Musk the United 510 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: States have these capabilities in a del livered platform. And 511 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: again we're talking decades here. This isn't just something that 512 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: we've started. That's a good point. Let's actually I want 513 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: to spend time on this just last thing, because this 514 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: is an important point, which is they're like what you think, 515 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: China or Russia doesn't have better technology than us. Here's 516 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: the difference. Hypersonic missiles is an engineering problem conceptually has 517 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: been known in science for decades. The atomic bomb was 518 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: also an engineering problem in the nineteen what thirties or 519 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: something we knew about the possibility of an atomic weapon. 520 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: It was just something very difficult to try and create. 521 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: The SR seventy one Blackbird a technological marvel, but going 522 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: mock whatever you know, was theoretically possible. Moving this way 523 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: is not known in modern science, has not been known 524 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: even in the physics laboratory for decades. And that's exactly 525 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: like you'd have to believe that they have an entire 526 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: are an entire like stack of research and science and 527 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: R and D developed outside of the United States, which 528 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: has the most sophisticated and best, you know, academic environment 529 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: in the world, which you can just go look at 530 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: the Nobel Prize that that was developed somehow over the 531 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: last fifty years. And in secret, am I right, Tom 532 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: and describing it that way? Absolutely? And I think there's 533 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: also more data here, you know. I think CNN actually 534 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: sort of reported on this that some of the sensor 535 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: systems supposedly with the jets may have been interfered with. 536 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: One thing that's notable about this is you will get 537 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: and why it has been perhaps easier for the government 538 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: to say this is just ignore it. When radar different sensor, 539 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, imagery in red whatever, but radar is the 540 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: particular one i've heard will get close to some of 541 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 1: these things. You can get a distorted return that suggests 542 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: there's some kind of effect on the radar going in 543 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: and out, like a time dilation whatever. It is something 544 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: really unconventional that again, we are talking about I think 545 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: a new type of physics with these most extraordinary small 546 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: potential ship of objects. And as you say, you know, 547 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: we just had the announcement on nuclear fusion, which is 548 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: nothing compared to what these things seem to exhibit and 549 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: have seen to exhibit since you know, the nineteen fourties, right, 550 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: I think it's chat GPT, it's broken loose jet. GPT's 551 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: got nothing on as much. Okay, they laugh at Chatchy. 552 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: It's great to see you and wonderful to have your expertise. 553 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking some time with us today. 554 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: We may be calling on you again here soon. I 555 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: think you will be a fixture on the show. We 556 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man, thanks for coming on. Thank you very much. 557 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Yeah, it's our pleasure, all right, all right, guys, 558 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: So at the same time as whatever is going on 559 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: in our skys, we also have here down on the 560 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: ground some twenty twenty four news, especially with regards to 561 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: the Republican primary. So Nikki Haley, who is beloved by 562 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: donors and doesn't seem to be particularly beloved by the 563 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: Republican base, but she thinks she got a shot at 564 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: the presidency. She is announcing for president reportedly this week, 565 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: just days away, and we're already getting a look at 566 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: what her first campaign ad will be. Let's take a listen. 567 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: It's the greatest force for good in human history, and 568 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: we should never be ashamed to say that. For those 569 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: that don't have our back, we're taking names. I wear heels. 570 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: It's not for a fashion statement. It's because if I 571 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: see something wrong, we're going to kick them every single time. 572 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: And there it says two fifteen twenty three, where will 573 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: you stand? That's the date of her reported announcement. Sorry, 574 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: I'll just go and get your reaction to how do 575 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: you have a heal? Line? Literally makes me feel gnauxious. 576 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: I mean not feeling the conservative girl boss should be there. 577 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: Imagine having millions of dollars at your disposal. Underwritten by 578 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: Paul singer, the hedge fund billionaire, presumably all of these 579 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: people who do politics for a living. And this is 580 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: the crap that you come up with as your initial 581 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: teaser video. How can you possibly think that that is 582 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: going to resonate in any way? And really what has 583 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: come through is Desanta socide because the only formidable challenge 584 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: these people's delusions of grandeur is something that I will 585 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: never understand. For maybe that's why I'm not a politician, 586 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: but I cannot understand how you possibly could think anybody 587 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: cares about you remotely enough that you were going to 588 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: win the presidency on such a lame ass message. Yeah 589 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: like that, Well, this is someone who's been living in 590 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: a bubble for a while, and this is not you know, Nikki, 591 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: that's the Mike PUMPEII. I mean a lot of these 592 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: John Bolton who apparently thinks he's gonna run a bunch 593 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: of these people, you know, they live in these little 594 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: elite circles where everybody treats them like their you know, 595 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: kings and queens. Nicki Haley for former UN ambassador. And 596 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: then you're in a group of donors who love you 597 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: and tell you how you're the next big thing and 598 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: oh it's time for a woman and a woman of 599 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: color in the Republican Party. And you know they they 600 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: bought the hype, They believe their own hype. They drank 601 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: their own kool aid. However youone ultimately put it. So anyway, 602 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: she's gonna jump into the race. Here. I'm just gonna 603 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: Kyle came up with this, love, but I think it's 604 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: so accurate. She's basically the Kamala Harris of the Republican Party. 605 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: Wildly overrated. I mean, you can clip out these little 606 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: the high heel moment or whatever she has there, but 607 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: if you actually listen to this woman give a speech, 608 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot of Kamala Harris vibes. Ultimately. 609 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: So this is someone the donor class loves, has love 610 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: for quite a while, has nothing at the core other 611 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: than like ambition and desire to climb the ladder. And 612 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: so that's that's starting this week. So good luck to 613 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: Nikki Haley. At the same time, we have new reporting 614 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: for The New York Times about the Trump DeSantis fude 615 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: and how that is developing and Summer England's go and 616 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: put this up on the screen from the Times. The 617 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: headline here is DeSantis's challenge when and how to counterattack Trump, 618 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: as the former president loves insults and calls him Ronda sanctimonious. 619 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: Governor Ronan DeSantis is carefully avoiding conflict, but if he 620 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: runs for president, as expected, a clash is inevitable. The 621 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, the long and short of this is something 622 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: that we've been tracking here closely, which is that it's 623 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: a tricky maneuver that DeSantis is going to have to 624 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: pull off here because if you don't engage, than you 625 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: look weak and you allow Trump to take all these 626 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: pot shots at you, which he has been and he's 627 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 1: been ramping up. He shared the thing last week like 628 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: claiming that ron DeSantis is the groomer. So if you 629 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: don't respond, you look extremely weak. But if you try 630 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: to get down in the mud with him, like Republicans 631 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, periodically did, especially during the twenty sixteen primary, 632 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: that has never worked out for literally anyone on the 633 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: Republican side. At the same time, they also have some 634 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: reporting about the way that Trump is talking about him privately. 635 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: I will read this quote from The New York Times. 636 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: Since November, despite the criticism he faced at the time, 637 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: mister Trump has periodically hit out at his potential rival, 638 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: albeit to a relatively small audience. He posted his most 639 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: recent innuendo about the governor on True Social where he 640 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: has just under five million followers, and he has insulted 641 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: mister DeSantis in casual conversations, describing him as quote meatball 642 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: Ron and a parent at his appearance or shut down Ron, 643 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: a reference to restrictions the governor put in place at 644 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic. Now, one thing you 645 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: got to say about Trump, he is never worried about 646 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: like being a hypocrite. I mean, Trump is not a 647 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: svelt man. He doesn't cut a lean picture at this 648 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: point in his life, but still not afraid to go 649 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: ahead and throw a jab at Ron RND Sandy. The 650 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: thing is about Trump, He's been at his size decades now, 651 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: whereas DeSantis actually was skinny not that long ago, and 652 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: then became unseemly fat while he was governor, and that 653 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: was proud he took some weight off. Look, I mean, 654 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: I guess I I'll then rond de Santis on this one. 655 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,439 Speaker 1: A rare moment. Okay, some people struggle with their weight, 656 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: and clearly this is like a battle that he has 657 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: on going. Sure, it's fine, it's relatable, it's very relatable. 658 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: It is relatable. That's said there is accurate. There is 659 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: something about Trump though. How tall is DeSantis? DeSantis? I 660 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: think he might be six' one. Uh. Trump is tall 661 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: and for some reason, even though he is more overweight 662 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: than Rhonda Santis, he's one of those people who can like, 663 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: oh my, the way he wears this. See that's when 664 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: you're short and you struggle with this makes it hard. 665 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: It makes sense. Oh but yeah, Trump for some reason 666 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: because he's tall and like the way he wears his 667 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: suits and those like long ass ties. For some reason, 668 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: Trump's big dude. Yeah, yeah, he just doesn't come. I 669 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: guess he's got the big frame and like you know, 670 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: it's just able to carry it. I think Trump is 671 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: I got nothing against a big boy. That's not my 672 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: issue with He's like six two sixty three. I think, yeah, 673 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: he's big, and he's big in stature. I remember seeing 674 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: I remember, I just remember that whenever I met him. 675 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: DeSantis never met him. But you know, in terms of 676 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: the nickname, I think it is certainly going to stick. 677 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: And look what I was talking about with delusions of grander. 678 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. Tim Scott 679 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: is now raising presidential buzz with super Pac highers. And actually, 680 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: just this morning, Crystal, it broke in the Wall Street Journal. 681 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,399 Speaker 1: It says Tim Scott prepares a presidential wow run. I mean, 682 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: these people are they are so delusional taking steps running 683 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: for president. People familiar with this plan said, looking to 684 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: rest the party mantle from former President Trump. Yeah, good 685 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: luck with that, Timlow, I'm sure that you are exactly 686 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: the person that people are turning to. I mean this 687 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: this has Scott Walker vibes written all over it. Let's 688 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: try and to sign so. I think Nikki is the 689 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: Tim paul Enti of the race. Tim Scott is the 690 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: Scott Walker of the race. Both these people, as you know, 691 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: are going to have ungodly amounts of money underwriting their 692 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: campaign from donors who want to move on from Trump. 693 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 1: DeSantis is the only He's kind of the Ted Cruz figure. 694 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 1: He's the only credible, actual challenge to Trump. But as 695 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: with Cruz, you know, Cruz at the end of the 696 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: day was not able to unsee Trump because he did 697 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: not have the capability to unite the party behind him 698 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: in an actual head to head matchup. He always had 699 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: Rubio in the race, or he had John Kasick in 700 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: the race, and then with the delegate math, Trump would 701 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: just get forty, sometimes fifty, especially as the race continued 702 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: to go on and he wins the nomination, Trump actually 703 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: comes in with even more of the benefit on his 704 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,479 Speaker 1: side in a non head to head matchup, with such 705 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: a consolidated part of the base that's behind him. And 706 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: just as we predicted, you know, you always can never 707 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: these people are never going to do what is in 708 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: that is in the party's best say, yeah, they're egomaniacal 709 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: narcissists in a lot of ways. The Democrats are more 710 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: willing to fall in line. You know, with klobchar and 711 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: Buddha Jeedge bowing to President Obama, They're like, oh, yeah, 712 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: we're out. Yeah, Elizabeth Warren staying in and you know 713 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: it would have been helpful if she got act. Every 714 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: single person played their part. No, it's true. The Republicans, 715 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean, ever since twenty sixteen, really have had less 716 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 1: control over their candidate field and over the party from 717 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: like sort of the top down. And maybe it's been 718 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: that way for a while. I think Republicans weirdly are 719 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: more responsive to their base for whatever reason, than the 720 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: Democratic Party is just a weak party leadership and the 721 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: Democratic Party exerts stronger control, which I think is a 722 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: negative thing, by the way, but that's I believe an 723 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: accurate description of the two parties. And yeah, the irony 724 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: here is all of these people who have the view okay, 725 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: it's time to move on from Trump. By all of 726 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: them jumping into the race, they're helping to ensure that 727 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: the party will not be moving on from Trump now. Personally, 728 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: I think even if it was head to head Trump 729 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: versus DeSantis, I still think that's a tough road for DeSantis. 730 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: The base of the party still loves Donald Trump. And 731 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: as we've said a million times, it's one thing to 732 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: be kind of out there, you know, doing your thing 733 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: as governor, just weighing and occasionally say, hey, look at 734 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: the scoreboard, or we did well in Florida. It's another 735 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: thing to be on a debate stage with this guy 736 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: and have him telling you your you know, meetball Ron 737 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: and shut down Ron, and Ron to sanctimonius and you're 738 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: a groomer and whatever, straight to your face. When you 739 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: are in that situation trying to take the high road 740 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: and just make a kind of offhand comment about it. 741 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: A check the scoreboard. It's not going to be sufficient. 742 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: You're going to look weak in that situation if you 743 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: don't have a more forceful response. It's a very challenging 744 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: situation ultimately for them to be able to navigate. I know, 745 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: by the way, even if Ron DeSantis did win the nomination, 746 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: then you have the prospect of is Trump going to 747 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: endorse him? Is Trump going to actually run third party? 748 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: I think it's more likely he would just you know, 749 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: running third parties like a lot of work and requires organization, 750 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: et cetera. I think it's more likely he would just 751 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: take shots and not be a good soldier and you know, 752 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: deplete sort of some of the energy among the Republican base. 753 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: And then that's if you lose even a little bit 754 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: of ground with your own people, then that's going to 755 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: be devastating the general election. So I don't see a 756 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: chance in hell, especially in a divided field. Now, look, 757 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: I could be totally wrong, and there's a lot of 758 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: crazy stuff that could happen. It's just look with Desanders 759 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: as you know, the idea of Trump telling that story 760 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 1: about this guy like interrupting him. He begged with tears 761 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: in his eyes for my endorsement, and you can see 762 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: Desanters tenses up. He gets un comfortable in those press distances. 763 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: My friend Henry Rogers asked him about it, and he 764 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: was like, look, look, this is the press thing. He 765 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: like pivots to where he's comfortable attacking the media. He 766 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: pivots to I'm moving on. You know, look at the scoreboard. 767 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: Actually was the best moment, and it's because he wasn't defensive, 768 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 1: it was offensive well, and he had planned this out. Yeah, 769 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 1: and obviously that was a plan line. It's just a 770 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: good one. It's very different, you know, having a plan 771 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: line and being able to deliver it is very different 772 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: from having to respond in real time. And we did 773 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: get a taste of that. I mean, obviously one for 774 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: governor quite easily. But there were moments in his gubernatorial 775 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: debates where you know, he got asked like, oh, so 776 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: you're just you're are you going to serve for the 777 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: full four years? And he didn't have a prepared response, 778 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: and he just kind of awkwardly stared into the camera 779 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: and looked very flat footed, and then delivered one of 780 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: these sort of like can prepared lines, so we'll see 781 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: how it all goes. Listen, we're like facing an alien 782 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: invasion right now, so I don't put anything is off 783 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: the table whatsoever. But all of this cast of characters 784 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 1: deluding themselves into thinking that they have a shot and 785 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: going ahead and present, preparing their campaigns and having money 786 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,399 Speaker 1: behind them too. By the way, they're not just out 787 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: there on a limb by themselves. They've got billionaire backing. 788 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: This is uh, you know, this is the greatest gift 789 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: you could possibly give to Donald Trump. You got to 790 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: admit that, for funny's sake, the idea of aliens coming 791 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: down in the first beating they meet is Trump. That's 792 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: pretty funny. Yeah, you gotta say that. That would be 793 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: He'd be like, they were like really, like, you're the 794 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: leader of previous Okay, you're the most powerful person. Surreal timeline. 795 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: I can possibly not saying it's aliens, but I certainly 796 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: hope they are. Okay, let's go ahead and move on 797 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: to Ukraine. So we had a fascinating moment here in Washington, Lula, 798 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 1: the president of Brazil, newly elected, visiting DC, visiting allies. 799 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: A Stafford interview actually with CNN's Christian amanpur where she 800 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: pressed him over Ukraine and he refused to bow to 801 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: say that he would send arms to Ukraine, instead pressing 802 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: for negotiation. Extraordinary actually for any major power in the 803 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: global style or really anywhere to talk this way. Let's 804 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: take a listen to what he said. It looks like 805 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: you're going to come up against President Biden on a 806 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: key defense of the United States of democracy around the world, 807 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: and that is Ukraine. You do not believe, I don't 808 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: think in the Western support for Ukraine's defense, and you 809 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: have said it many times. Why not? And some people 810 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: have asked, in fact an article, why is Lula so 811 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: committed to democracy at home and not abroad. I am 812 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: highly committed with the markets in any part of the 813 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: planet Earth. What I believe is that in the case 814 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: of Ukraine and Russia, it is necessary to have someone 815 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: talking about peace. It's necessary that we should build up 816 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: interacts to talk with the different parties that are in confrontation. 817 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: That's my thesis. We need to find interlock Aitrage that 818 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: could sit with Breton Guten and show to him the 819 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: mistake that he made to invade the territory integrity of 820 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian territory, and we have to show to Ukraine 821 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: that they have to talk more so that we can 822 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: avoid this war. We have to stop the war. And 823 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: so why I'm going to talk with President Bidy. I 824 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 1: don't know what he's going to say to me, but 825 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,280 Speaker 1: what I want to say to him is the following. 826 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,839 Speaker 1: It is necessary to build a set of countries to 827 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 1: negotiate peace. And he as you wants to pursue methods 828 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: to Ukraine, and you said, no, no, there's not the tanks. 829 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: It was ammunition, okay, O, ammunition it was I didn't 830 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: want to send because if I sent to the ammunition, 831 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,720 Speaker 1: I would join the war. If I sent the ammunition 832 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 1: from Brazil, the ammunition that you're asking for. But you 833 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: just agreed that it was the fest will take us 834 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,839 Speaker 1: to war. I don't want to go join the war. 835 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: I want to end with the war. I don't want 836 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: to join the war. I want to end with the war. Ah, 837 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: that was an extraordinary moment there. I mean, I have 838 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: not heard that from a major leader. Let's go and 839 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. So actually, while 840 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: he was here in Washington, President Biden pressed him heavily 841 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: to actually send ammunition to Ukraine, and he refused President 842 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,840 Speaker 1: Biden to his face, saying that that was not what 843 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,800 Speaker 1: was going to happen. He condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine, 844 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: but he suggested that Zelenski, share Selensky and NATO at 845 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: least quote share some blame for the war. And he's 846 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: refusing to sell weapons to Ukraine to try and maintain 847 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: neutrality in the conflict. So he says, quote, we need 848 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: to find interlocutors who can sit with President Putin to 849 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: show him the mistake he made to invade Ukraine's territory. 850 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: We have to show Ukraine that they need to talk 851 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,359 Speaker 1: more so we can end this war. So you haven't 852 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: heard this from anybody. I think the craziest part was 853 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: when he said I don't want to join this war. 854 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: I want to end this war, and talking about the 855 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,760 Speaker 1: conditions necessary to push towards a negotiation. Now, look, obviously Brazil, 856 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: they're probably not going to turn the conflict either way. 857 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: But you know, it represents millions and millions of people, 858 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,800 Speaker 1: one of the biggest powers in all of Latin America. 859 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: So what his position is on this could be a 860 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: leading indicator, at least from their position in some room 861 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: for dissent in kind of the global environment, and it 862 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: would also be possible President Putin sees this, this could 863 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: be a major opening right now. As to Lula's own 864 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: role in perhaps bringing an end to this, I mean 865 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,800 Speaker 1: that's clearly his view is he wants to maintain somewhat 866 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: of a neutral stance so that he could be trusted 867 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: as a figure to be involved in potential negotiations to 868 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: bring this thing to an end. And you know, I'm 869 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: joining my monologue today on an extraordinary interview from the 870 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: former Israeli Prime minister indicating again something we already had 871 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: hints of, but confirmed that early in this process there 872 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: was a potential peace deal that was coming together. No guarantees, 873 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 1: no one's saying it was certain, but according to the 874 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: Israeli Prime minister, there was like a fifty to fifty shot, 875 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: and the US and NATO, but led by the US, 876 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: actively said we don't want the deal, we want the war. 877 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: So Lula's perspective here that he's offering where he's talking about, 878 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: he's critical of Biden, and he has been before in 879 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,240 Speaker 1: a Time magazine interview where he was saying, listen, before 880 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: this war started he could have flown to Moscow, he 881 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: could have engaged war. Instead, they sort of laughed off 882 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: Putin's proposals and his red lines, and of course, you know, 883 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: with regards to NATO, ignored them for decades. This is 884 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: a view that is actually widespread outside of the US 885 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: and outside of Western media. It's just extremely rare that 886 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: a US audience actually hears another way of looking at 887 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: this conflict, and another way of looking at the history 888 00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 1: and how we got there and exactly who is to 889 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,439 Speaker 1: blame and how much. Now, obviously, as we have said 890 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: a million times here, Russia is to blame for the invasion. 891 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,799 Speaker 1: To ignore all the context of how we got here, 892 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: and to just paint Putin as this like madman who 893 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 1: can't be reasoned with, means that, of course you're not 894 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: going to support diplomatic negotiations. At the same time, Rand Corporation, 895 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,720 Speaker 1: which is largely funded by the Pentagon, is out saying 896 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: the most likely outcome here is not that Russia will win, 897 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: our Ukraine will win, but that we will have a 898 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,879 Speaker 1: stalemate and that it is a disaster if we end 899 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: up in a long war. It's very difficult, though, given 900 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,479 Speaker 1: how long this has already gone on and the level 901 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: of atrocities that have been committed to now get back 902 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 1: to the peace table and negotiating table and be able 903 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: to come up with the type of deal that was 904 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: coming together in the early days. So, you know, I 905 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: really commend Lula for sticking to his guns here, for 906 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,760 Speaker 1: not mincing words, for laying out exactly how he sees 907 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: this conflict, and just to give you, you know, a 908 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: sense of this guy and how different the way that 909 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 1: he talks about this conflict is from anything that you 910 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 1: hear in the US press. In that Time magazine article, 911 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: he was talking about Zelensky and he said, listen, you're 912 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,280 Speaker 1: encouraging this guy. And then he thinks, ses the cherry 913 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: on your cake, we should be having a serious conversation. Okay, 914 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 1: you were a nice comedian, but let us not make 915 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 1: war for you to show up on TV. He then 916 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,280 Speaker 1: went on to be very critical of Putin as well. 917 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: So this is someone who has been unafraid of speaking 918 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: a very different way about this conflict than anything you're 919 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 1: going to hear anywhere else. Oh. Absolutely, Okay, So let's 920 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: move on to the next part here about the actual offensive, 921 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,760 Speaker 1: and this will be this really is the testing ground 922 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: of what a quote unquote stalemate might even look like, 923 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: and how Russia has, if at all, regrouped, what their 924 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 1: power will look like. Let's put this up there on 925 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: the screen. Russian offensive and Ukraine appearing to begin some 926 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: of the preliminary movements. So we've had operations and treat 927 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 1: movements around eastern Ukraine that have sharply increased sharply in 928 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: the last couple of months as we move away from 929 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: the more muddier season and the ground becomes easier to use. 930 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,319 Speaker 1: So here's what they say. They believe that the pace 931 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: of Moscow operations over the past week has accelerated, specifically 932 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,279 Speaker 1: in western Luhansk, citing a lot of new skirmishes that 933 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: are happening along the front line with marginal advances in 934 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: that region. So it now appears to be committing a 935 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 1: much more of its forces that were held in reserve 936 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: ever since that highly controversial military draft that happened last fall, 937 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: and what the actual push on the line will look 938 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: like remains unclear. So there's thirty different settlements all across 939 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: eastern Ukraine which have come under intense fire over the 940 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,959 Speaker 1: last couple of months. Specifically, Also, we remember Bachmut which 941 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: President Zelensky visited here visited immediately before visiting the United States. 942 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 1: What they say is that the all out, the all 943 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 1: out multi front assault is very unlikely to occur at 944 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,800 Speaker 1: the same moment. Instead, they will likely prioritize a major 945 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 1: advance aimed at seizing the Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts. Present 946 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: indicators suggest that Moscow is planning to launch this defensive 947 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: sometime in late February and in mid March, So the 948 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,360 Speaker 1: traditional skirmishes, getting the intelligence, getting the men ready, moving 949 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 1: material and supplies all up to the front line, a 950 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: beer to be coming. Now. This is also going to 951 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: be a big test for Ukrainians. Ukrainians had that stunning 952 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: Spring offensive where they took back a tremendous amount of 953 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: territory relative to what was expected of them. Now we've 954 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 1: been pumping them full of billions of dollars. We've got 955 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: new weapons systems that are on the ground there, the 956 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: tanks and all that are not operational, as I believe, 957 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: because they still need to be trained on. But nonetheless, 958 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, they've been able to regroup, they've been pounded 959 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: from Russian air power. But they've got now to test 960 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: whether they can keep some of the areas that they withhold, 961 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: and can they withstand against the actual Russian offensive, whether 962 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: it turns into a stalemate or not, is all going 963 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 1: to be proven probably in the next two or three 964 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 1: months or so of probably terrible fighting, which is really 965 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, that's the saddest part. Yeah, absolutely, no, I mean, 966 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: the general understanding is Thatussia's goal in this new offensive 967 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,840 Speaker 1: would be to take back the parts of the Donbass 968 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: region that they had lost Ukraine in particular in that 969 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,279 Speaker 1: spring offensive. You know, the tanks haven't arrived yet. There's 970 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: a reason why Zelenski has been flying around, you know, 971 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 1: really putting the screws to leaders in the West to 972 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: provide fighter jets and other capabilities, because they know that ultimately, 973 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,799 Speaker 1: i mean, the fundamental balance in this conflict remains what 974 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,719 Speaker 1: it was on day one, even as Russia has dramatically underperformed, 975 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,000 Speaker 1: which is, Russia just has way more men that they 976 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: can ultimately throw at this thing if they want, way 977 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: more munitions, way more of an industrial base, and so 978 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,400 Speaker 1: you know, Zelenski and Ukraine are wholly dependent on the 979 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,759 Speaker 1: West providing the resources and material that they need in 980 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: order to be able to maintain their position. Or push forward. 981 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,240 Speaker 1: But again, you know, the most likely outcome here isn't 982 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,959 Speaker 1: that Ukraine is able to achieve total victory, and isn't 983 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: that Russia is able to achieve total victory. It's a brutal, 984 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: bloody stalemate that could go on endlessly if there isn't 985 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: some attempt at a diplomatic resolution. Yeah, that's really where 986 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,200 Speaker 1: things appear to stand right now. We've got some maps 987 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: we can put up on the screen there. People are interested, 988 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,719 Speaker 1: and it just shows what we were talking about those 989 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 1: who are watching, where the actual frontline is in the 990 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: dun Boss and where some of the expected war will 991 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,520 Speaker 1: take place. So it's going to be a big, big 992 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 1: testing ground for the Ukrainian forces and for the Russian 993 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 1: forces frankly, because if they crumble, or if this doesn't 994 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: it's not victorious, even without any of the advanced weapons 995 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: that we have provided to Ukraine, then Russia is in 996 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,799 Speaker 1: some serious trouble. In the years to comment, it would 997 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 1: only really mean that they're going to have to escalate 998 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 1: even more, perhaps another draft of vicious cycle there. So 999 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 1: either side has got a lot to lose based on 1000 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: what the outcome is here. Yes, indeed, all right, there 1001 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,880 Speaker 1: is no way for me to make a segue to 1002 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,799 Speaker 1: our next Stas segment eloquently, but we wanted to give 1003 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:59,439 Speaker 1: you a little update continued mister Beast arrangement syndrome. As 1004 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 1: we covered here previously, mister Beast put out a video 1005 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: gigantic YouTube star. For those of you who don't, I'm 1006 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,799 Speaker 1: sure most of you do. I mean, he's actually the 1007 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: top YouTube creator in the entire world, so very famous 1008 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,720 Speaker 1: and successful guy. He's known for these sort of acts 1009 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,839 Speaker 1: of random charity and giveaways, and one of his most 1010 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 1: recent videos he paid for a thousand people to have 1011 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,320 Speaker 1: their blindness treated so that they were no longer visually 1012 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 1: impaired and able to see again. He went into the 1013 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: data about how many people around the world suffer from 1014 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,719 Speaker 1: curable blindness, and he was you know with people in 1015 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,840 Speaker 1: the United States, where it's disgusting that they wouldn't have 1016 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: access to this, to this surgery without mister Beast coming 1017 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,480 Speaker 1: in and paying for it. So you know, most normal people, 1018 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,799 Speaker 1: in fact, I would say, all normal people look at 1019 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,239 Speaker 1: this and go, that's good that he did that, right, 1020 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,399 Speaker 1: that's great. A thousand people who wanted to see can see. Now, 1021 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,920 Speaker 1: that's school all right, let's move on. But that hasn't 1022 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 1: stopped some people from being deeply offended by the fact that, 1023 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, mister Beast took this approach, let's gun and 1024 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. This is from tech 1025 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 1: Crunch headline here mister Beast's blindness video puts systemic ablism 1026 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 1: on display. Let me read you a little bit from 1027 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 1: this piece. Recently, Megastar creator mister Beasts posted a video 1028 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 1: to his YouTube in which he spotlights numerous blind and 1029 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,840 Speaker 1: visually impaired people who have undergone a surgical procedure that 1030 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,760 Speaker 1: quote cures their blindness. As in this writing, the video 1031 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,640 Speaker 1: has been viewed more than seventy six million times, and 1032 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 1: the responses have been visceral in both praise and contempt. 1033 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,840 Speaker 1: For his part, mister Beast has taken to Twitter to 1034 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,080 Speaker 1: publicly bemoan the fact that so many are so angry 1035 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,040 Speaker 1: at him for putting on what amounts to a publicity 1036 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,880 Speaker 1: stunt under the guise of selfless charity. The truth is straightforward, 1037 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: the video was more ablest than altruistic. His reasoning that 1038 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,360 Speaker 1: he lays out in this article. He says, in the 1039 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,719 Speaker 1: broadest lens, the biggest problem with wanting to cure blindness 1040 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: is that it reinforces a moral superiority of sorts by 1041 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: those without disabilities over those who are disabled. Although not 1042 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: confronted nearly as often as racism and sexism, systemic ableism 1043 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: is prev if they're on all parts of society. The 1044 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that the majority of abled 1045 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,520 Speaker 1: people viewed disability as a failure of the human condition. 1046 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,400 Speaker 1: As such, people with disability should be mourned and pitied. 1047 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,400 Speaker 1: More pointedly, as mister b stated in his videos thumbnail, 1048 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,920 Speaker 1: disability should be eradicated or cured. Okay, so the argument 1049 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,479 Speaker 1: here is that rather than you know, people getting help 1050 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,959 Speaker 1: if they wanted to you know, recover their vision manting, 1051 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,480 Speaker 1: these people had been you know, had had perfect vision 1052 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,840 Speaker 1: and then had become visually impaired. They wanted this surge. 1053 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,719 Speaker 1: They wanted to be able to see again. It's not 1054 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: like mister Beast was like holding people down who were like, no, 1055 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 1: I'm good, I actually have like embraced my situation and 1056 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,080 Speaker 1: my disability and I'm happy. Which if that's you, got 1057 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,279 Speaker 1: more power to you, that's beautiful. But these are people 1058 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 1: who wanted to be able to see. So it's not 1059 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,359 Speaker 1: like he was like holding them down and forcing them 1060 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,880 Speaker 1: to cure their disability in a way that they didn't want. 1061 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,439 Speaker 1: It's like the Jack Nicholson of having your your eye 1062 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,240 Speaker 1: what does that movie one flew out of the whatever, 1063 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm too young for that anyway, the Jack and Lilson 1064 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: meum of having his eyes like forced open and mister 1065 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: beast is there like hearing their blindless? No, like this 1066 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,239 Speaker 1: is outright of course. Taylor Lorenz, by the way, got 1067 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,880 Speaker 1: in on the action saying, clockwork Orange there it is, 1068 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,319 Speaker 1: thank you, producer Griffin in my ear. So what do 1069 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,000 Speaker 1: they what do we learn from this, which is that 1070 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,880 Speaker 1: these somehow I don't know why these people despise someone 1071 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,799 Speaker 1: being successful by helping people by hearing their blind list. 1072 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,760 Speaker 1: I will never understand it, Taylor Lorenz, you know, tweeting 1073 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 1: this out as if it's some like incredible, you know, 1074 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,480 Speaker 1: think piece that we're supposed to cherish this other sided perspective. 1075 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,920 Speaker 1: What it look if he was saying I can't even 1076 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: believe that people live this way, you know, denigrating them 1077 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,040 Speaker 1: or something, Okay, then I think that's a totally different case. 1078 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,040 Speaker 1: And doing it not even really in an altruistic way, 1079 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,919 Speaker 1: but doing it in a way where he's clearly doing 1080 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,840 Speaker 1: it for clout or something like that. That'd be also 1081 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,040 Speaker 1: another way of this by all accounts, I mean, watch video. People, 1082 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: I really real people are like it's it's emotional, like 1083 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,920 Speaker 1: people are crying, there are families, they are happy because 1084 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,000 Speaker 1: getting some of the money. They were like breaking down 1085 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: and enjoy and tears and they were I mean, it's 1086 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,480 Speaker 1: a tough one to watch. And as you watch said 1087 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: in your monologue, the point is that such systems shouldn't 1088 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: even exist, right, It's like, how many more millions are 1089 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 1: afflicted by this? And what could we do as a 1090 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,320 Speaker 1: society to make sure that it doesn't happen anymore. That's 1091 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,360 Speaker 1: a perfect takeaway, one of which he came away with. 1092 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,440 Speaker 1: At first. You know, we were thinking these are just fringe, 1093 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,440 Speaker 1: strange characters, but no, I mean this is a mainstream 1094 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 1: look for people who don't know. Tech Crunch is a 1095 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,040 Speaker 1: highly influential publication in Silicon Valley. Like this is as 1096 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,520 Speaker 1: establishment as it gets for a lot of people in 1097 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:52,760 Speaker 1: the tech industry. And I'm mystified as to what exactly 1098 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 1: even compels somebody like Taylor or someone like this guy 1099 00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 1: Stephen Aquino by the way a Quino. He's a Twitter 1100 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,480 Speaker 1: account by the way, because oh really, because of all 1101 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,439 Speaker 1: that criticism. And Stephen, Stephen himself of which she talks 1102 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,720 Speaker 1: about in the piece, has a number of disabilities, and 1103 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 1: in his view, okay, he embraces his disabilities. He doesn't 1104 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 1: want to you know, be quote unquote creed for them 1105 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 1: or over or like, you know, have them treat or whatever, 1106 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,560 Speaker 1: because he feels like they've made him who he is. 1107 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:26,640 Speaker 1: So that's the way that he's approached. That's fine, beautiful, wonderful, 1108 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,600 Speaker 1: But why are you he says, he's not judging these 1109 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,880 Speaker 1: people who wanted to have their vision treated and restored. 1110 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,240 Speaker 1: But that's kind of the subtext here, is that if 1111 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,480 Speaker 1: you have a disability and you would prefer to recover 1112 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: your vision or be able to see for the first time, 1113 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 1: then that's sort of a failing on your part. So 1114 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,960 Speaker 1: he projects a lot of like, oh, able body people, 1115 00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 1: they have a moral superiority over people with disabilities, which 1116 00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,200 Speaker 1: doesn't come out in this mister Beat's video whatsoever. But 1117 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,040 Speaker 1: the subtext of this piece is some moral superiority over 1118 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: people with disabilities who choose to embrace those disabilities versus 1119 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,640 Speaker 1: those who choose to have them treated. That's the real 1120 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,640 Speaker 1: moral superiority that I see coming through in this piece. 1121 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,400 Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on there, but ultimately, mister 1122 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,280 Speaker 1: Beast did nothing wrong. That's mine. They didn't do a 1123 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,280 Speaker 1: damn thing wrong. And I actually think it's important to 1124 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,640 Speaker 1: people because you know, it's not like people in the 1125 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: mainstream press are speaking out and saying that Taylor is 1126 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 1: psychotic or Steven Aquino psychotic for going after mister Beats 1127 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,920 Speaker 1: like that. They're mostly they'll roll their eyes in private, 1128 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: but people need to come out and be like, hey, 1129 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: what are you talking about. You're crazy. You're actually insane 1130 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,800 Speaker 1: if you have this perspective. So anyway, I think we 1131 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: should stand up for the guy. I really do feel 1132 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,440 Speaker 1: bad because, you know, of all, this is probably the 1133 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,760 Speaker 1: best video he's arguably ever done. Squid Game, even just 1134 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,520 Speaker 1: because it helped so many people, is not just some 1135 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: individual person, and it actually raised a real I think 1136 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,200 Speaker 1: for a lot of younger people who watched this. Really, Hey, 1137 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,800 Speaker 1: I had no idea that this even existed. Yeah, that's 1138 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 1: a great thing. Yeah, bring people most of I'm not 1139 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,959 Speaker 1: a big mister Beef consumer, but I've watched a number 1140 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,120 Speaker 1: of his videos, and you know, most of them are 1141 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,600 Speaker 1: not political at all. There's no underlying political message whatever 1142 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,080 Speaker 1: this one there actually was. I mean, you talked about 1143 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the statistics the number of people whould have their vision 1144 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,080 Speaker 1: restored for one of this simple ten minute surgery, and 1145 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 1: so you know, on the contrary, it just it wasn't 1146 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,720 Speaker 1: just like you know, a neutral here. The fact that 1147 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,880 Speaker 1: you're raising awareness about how morally bankrupt this disgusting healthcare 1148 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,680 Speaker 1: system for profit healthcare system that we have here, and 1149 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,920 Speaker 1: the feelings that you know around the world as well, 1150 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,320 Speaker 1: that you're raising awareness about that, that's that's a positive thing. 1151 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,560 Speaker 1: That's a great thing. That's reaching people who otherwise may 1152 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,360 Speaker 1: not have really thought that through. That are just you know, 1153 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,600 Speaker 1: mister Beast's consumers and they're not deeply political. So anyway, 1154 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,600 Speaker 1: that's my view on it. There you go, all right, Tiger, 1155 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: are you looking at Well, We've been talking a lot 1156 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 1: here in recent weeks about childhood obesity and the role, 1157 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,200 Speaker 1: if any, that the government can play in shaping it. Philosophically, 1158 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,919 Speaker 1: it's actually a very difficult question. Individually. You can zoom 1159 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,040 Speaker 1: in on parents, you can blame them for an obese kid, 1160 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,280 Speaker 1: but what if the parents themselves are obese and then 1161 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,480 Speaker 1: have been since children. What if they can't afford to 1162 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,600 Speaker 1: eat healthier or what if they honestly just don't know 1163 01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,600 Speaker 1: anything about nutrition. To me, I like to focus in 1164 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,640 Speaker 1: on those questions cost information policy. I'm not and would 1165 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 1: never claim that the US government can solve childhood obesity, 1166 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,920 Speaker 1: but something I am claiming is that in an aggressive 1167 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,400 Speaker 1: effort on the part of state local governments with the FEDS, 1168 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,560 Speaker 1: could meaningfully affect it. I mean, just consider this, A 1169 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: ten percent drop in childhood obesity means literally millions of 1170 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,720 Speaker 1: children will not be afflicted with a lifelong problem. The 1171 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: numbers are staggering considering just how many kids and adults 1172 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,600 Speaker 1: in the US are on track for terrible health over 1173 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,040 Speaker 1: the course of their entire lives. That's why I started 1174 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,840 Speaker 1: paying attention and in in the last few days to a 1175 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,000 Speaker 1: really interesting story out of New Mexico where traditional parts 1176 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,400 Speaker 1: and blinders were not on display. Instead, we had a 1177 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,800 Speaker 1: novel incident a lawmaker who just kind of wanted to 1178 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,640 Speaker 1: help children and he was crushed by a big soda lobby. 1179 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,160 Speaker 1: So New Mexico State Senator Greg Schmidi's he's a Republican, 1180 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,800 Speaker 1: but probably more importantly for this story, Also, a practicing 1181 01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 1: surgeon introduced a bill to prohibit the sale of in 1182 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,960 Speaker 1: New Mexico public schools from pre k to high school. Importantly, 1183 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,080 Speaker 1: his bill would only apply to school hours. It had 1184 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,400 Speaker 1: exceptions for after school events like concession sales. Here too, 1185 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,200 Speaker 1: it's also worth pausing we are not talking about adults, 1186 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,880 Speaker 1: like Michael Bloomberg's proposed ban from a few years ago. 1187 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 1: I am of the opinion adults can make choices for themselves. 1188 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:21,960 Speaker 1: If they want to be obese and they want to 1189 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 1: drink sixty ounces of soda, be my guest. I myself 1190 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: drink a seven to eleven big gulp of diet soda 1191 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,200 Speaker 1: once a week. I am not perfect. Every time I 1192 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,160 Speaker 1: drink it. I know it's not good for me. I 1193 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,160 Speaker 1: like it. What can I say? But there's a big 1194 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,840 Speaker 1: difference than in an adult with a fully formed brain, 1195 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,880 Speaker 1: well aware of the trade offs being made with soda, 1196 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,840 Speaker 1: and a child whose dopamine center is being hijacked by sugar. 1197 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,600 Speaker 1: The discussion, at the very least, I think is important, 1198 01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,760 Speaker 1: and we need to develop parameters about children and protecting 1199 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,400 Speaker 1: them in an environment where the state, by definition is 1200 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,640 Speaker 1: responsible for their well being. Perhaps even more important than 1201 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,720 Speaker 1: the idea than the bill, it's how viciously it was 1202 01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,600 Speaker 1: fought by big soda. According to the Senate, after he 1203 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,920 Speaker 1: introduced his bill, Coca Cola flew six executives on a 1204 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,959 Speaker 1: private jet immediately to New Mexico to kill the bill. 1205 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 1: They understood perfectly that if you let even a smaller 1206 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,920 Speaker 1: population state like New Mexico ban soda, that the headlines 1207 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,880 Speaker 1: would be devastating and that all other states might start 1208 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,720 Speaker 1: asking questions. In fact, it's not just Coca Cola that 1209 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,640 Speaker 1: got in on the action. After the bill was successfully killed, 1210 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,880 Speaker 1: you had Pepsi Co executives doing backflips in the local press. 1211 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,440 Speaker 1: New Mexico local media quoted in an executive who told them, quote, 1212 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 1: the bill is not needed. Why because quote current USDA 1213 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,840 Speaker 1: regulations already limit beverage calories and schools are in place 1214 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,240 Speaker 1: and followed by schools in New Mexico. Hmm, that actually 1215 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,800 Speaker 1: gives a way whole game right now. While the USDA 1216 01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 1: does discourage the sale of caffeinated beverages in schools, it 1217 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,600 Speaker 1: still allows it. In fact, the regulations say, quote lower 1218 01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,600 Speaker 1: calorie beverages with up to forty calories per eight ounces 1219 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,720 Speaker 1: or sixty calories per twelve ounces may be sold in 1220 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,640 Speaker 1: up to twelve ounce portions. As the Senator said in 1221 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,600 Speaker 1: his hearing quote, who are you going to trust more 1222 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,680 Speaker 1: beverage companies or our committee to care for our children? 1223 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,520 Speaker 1: Despite his plea, senators killed the bill why because they 1224 01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,320 Speaker 1: expressed concern that it would hurt sports and community programs, 1225 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,040 Speaker 1: despite the explicit carve out in the bill for those 1226 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,600 Speaker 1: very activities. You want to tell me with a straight 1227 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,640 Speaker 1: face that the big soda lobby didn't have anything to 1228 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:27,760 Speaker 1: do with destroying that bill or rigging those USDA regulations. Hmm, Look, 1229 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,360 Speaker 1: are there bigger fish to fry when it comes to 1230 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,920 Speaker 1: childhood obesity? Absolutely, But as I've laid out here before, 1231 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 1: the sugar industry has already rigged the system with the 1232 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,280 Speaker 1: FDA where you can have a quote healthy food label 1233 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,560 Speaker 1: on your food and you can't discriminate against the amount 1234 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,840 Speaker 1: of sugar in a label product. Sugar consumption over the 1235 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,120 Speaker 1: course of our lives has skyrocketed, especially in the last 1236 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 1: fifty years. It is unquestionably a major contributor to childhood obesity. 1237 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,360 Speaker 1: Simply it's palatable. Unfortunately, in reverse, a similar Parson fight 1238 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,520 Speaker 1: is actually playing out in a state of New York. 1239 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,600 Speaker 1: Mayor Eric Adams, who I have major difference agreements and 1240 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,600 Speaker 1: is pushing of vegan diets and meatless food, is trying 1241 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,120 Speaker 1: to restrict the sale of chocolate milk in school. In response, 1242 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,240 Speaker 1: Representative Elise Stefonic, who Trump has actually touted as potential 1243 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,360 Speaker 1: successor for defending him on TV, introduced a bill and 1244 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm not joking, to require chocolate milk in all schools 1245 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:25,120 Speaker 1: across the country. Her statement reads quote and Mayor Adams 1246 01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,760 Speaker 1: fails to understand that delicious flavored milk is how many 1247 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,320 Speaker 1: of our kids access the essential nutrients in dairy for 1248 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,680 Speaker 1: their development, and taking options away from children is not 1249 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,480 Speaker 1: the answer. Hm who wants to ask the congresswoman why 1250 01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,680 Speaker 1: exactly chocolate milk is delicious? It's because of the sugar 1251 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,120 Speaker 1: in it. In fact, the average school chocolate milk in 1252 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,320 Speaker 1: the United States has a full twelve grams of added sugar. Sure, 1253 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,880 Speaker 1: it is not as bad as a full sugar soda, 1254 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,120 Speaker 1: but this is a game of inches literally in terms 1255 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,160 Speaker 1: of restricting weight bands. I want to reiterate again, if 1256 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,000 Speaker 1: you are an adult, go for it. But schools we 1257 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,320 Speaker 1: have a say We should not let partisan blinders push 1258 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,920 Speaker 1: us away from talking about what we give kids while 1259 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,040 Speaker 1: they're at school. More so, we cannot let big moneyed 1260 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:19,560 Speaker 1: interests buy off representatives to quash even the slightest attempts 1261 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,240 Speaker 1: at getting kids slightly healthier. This entire episode is a 1262 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,480 Speaker 1: very small glimpse into what we're all up against, and 1263 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,680 Speaker 1: I hope everybody is paying attention because it will only 1264 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,160 Speaker 1: get worse in the years to come. Yeah, the chocolate 1265 01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,800 Speaker 1: milk thing is really glad you got that, to be fair. 1266 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,080 Speaker 1: I mean, look with Eric Adams, he's trying to require 1267 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,560 Speaker 1: plant based milk. And by the way, there's all kinds 1268 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,480 Speaker 1: of problems with plant based even if you go in 1269 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,400 Speaker 1: the production. So I'm not defending the guy on its merits, 1270 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,400 Speaker 1: but if you're trying to have a baseline conversation of like, okay, 1271 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,400 Speaker 1: should we have healthier milk in school or not, chocolate 1272 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,080 Speaker 1: milk is not in that discussion. And she wants to 1273 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,160 Speaker 1: require She's like, we should give our kids options. Really, 1274 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,720 Speaker 1: you should give kids options. They're like five years old. 1275 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,560 Speaker 1: What do you think they're gonna be. You're gonna pick 1276 01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,160 Speaker 1: the sugary one, obviously, they're gonna pick the sugar one. Yeah, 1277 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,240 Speaker 1: it makes me think back to the whole culture war 1278 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,520 Speaker 1: about Michelle Obama during the Obama administration, because this was 1279 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,760 Speaker 1: one of her bay like childhood nutrition and like exercise 1280 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,720 Speaker 1: and fitness for kids whatever. That was like her thing 1281 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,840 Speaker 1: that she really focused on as first Lady. And there 1282 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,760 Speaker 1: was this whole culture war freak out I remember over 1283 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,160 Speaker 1: on Fox News about like you'll take our school lunch 1284 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,360 Speaker 1: cookies from our cold dead hands, et cetera. And at 1285 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,880 Speaker 1: the time I just thought it was like sort of 1286 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,680 Speaker 1: general Obama derangement. That was certainly a part of it. 1287 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,160 Speaker 1: But now I look at it a lot differently of 1288 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,880 Speaker 1: the sort of industry interests behind the scenes that also had, 1289 01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,800 Speaker 1: you know, a deep vested financial interest in keeping things 1290 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 1: exactly as they were. Oh yeah. And then the soda 1291 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:47,959 Speaker 1: thing though, I mean, it's one of those things where 1292 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,760 Speaker 1: nobody would pay attention to this. I happen to come 1293 01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,400 Speaker 1: across it because Cali means flagged it for me. But 1294 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,880 Speaker 1: you got this like, look, he's in New Mexico State Centator. 1295 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,440 Speaker 1: Nobody's paying attention to this, right, He's just surgeon. He's like, 1296 01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,720 Speaker 1: this is crazy. We shouldn't have so and then there. 1297 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you feel about this, 1298 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,400 Speaker 1: Like I don't think it's the end of the world. 1299 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,760 Speaker 1: You don't sell soda at a freaking football game, but whatever. 1300 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,120 Speaker 1: All right, So they're like, oh, this might hurt Concession Stay. 1301 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,000 Speaker 1: It's like, all right, fine, we'll fund them for they 1302 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,680 Speaker 1: although that probably shouldn't be the way we fund our 1303 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,440 Speaker 1: football teams. Whatever. So he carves out all of that. 1304 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,599 Speaker 1: They still kill it based upon based upon those fake 1305 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,760 Speaker 1: concerns after the lobbyist Coca Cola fly over there and 1306 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,160 Speaker 1: if you think they weren't doling out money of some kind, yeah, 1307 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,040 Speaker 1: in some way, you're crazy. And then they kill us 1308 01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: on the state legislator level. They've got vending machines in 1309 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:32,720 Speaker 1: my kids' elementary school, and they're constantly asking can I 1310 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,639 Speaker 1: bring a dollar for the man? Like no, And there's 1311 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,599 Speaker 1: nothing but crap in those things, like why is there 1312 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,439 Speaker 1: a vending machine in an elementary school whatsoever? And this 1313 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,880 Speaker 1: isn't a school where they're like hosting football games or whatever. 1314 01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,120 Speaker 1: There's no reason for them to be that. Look if 1315 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,200 Speaker 1: you put them in the teacher's launch and you know, 1316 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,160 Speaker 1: and the adults in the school, Okay, fine, but to 1317 01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,800 Speaker 1: have access for five and six year olds to be 1318 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,800 Speaker 1: able to, like, you know, get their soda or their 1319 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,479 Speaker 1: cookies or whatever their fixes. This is correct. And here's 1320 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,280 Speaker 1: if you're a parent, you want to give your kid Coke's, 1321 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,160 Speaker 1: do what you want. Yeah, you can't. What does a 1322 01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,240 Speaker 1: child know about what's in a damn vending machine. They're 1323 01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,080 Speaker 1: going to go for the sugary thing. Of course every time. 1324 01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:10,639 Speaker 1: I can't even believe you are allowed to sell this stuff. 1325 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm starting to lose my mind. Well, and you said, 1326 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, I mean big soda is I think as 1327 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,200 Speaker 1: damaging to health, perhaps more than big tobacco ever was. 1328 01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:23,200 Speaker 1: And there needs to be the same level of scrutiny 1329 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,840 Speaker 1: and acknowledgment of the way that they ring the rules 1330 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,400 Speaker 1: to their benefit because it has devastating health consequences for 1331 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,840 Speaker 1: people for their entire lives. Absolutely, Chrystal, what are you 1332 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,519 Speaker 1: taking a look at? Well, guys, we're not getting the 1333 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,839 Speaker 1: clearest picture to date of the early days of Russia's 1334 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,280 Speaker 1: were in Ukraine, including Putin's thinking, the concessions that both 1335 01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,920 Speaker 1: he and Zelensky were actually open to, and critically the 1336 01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,200 Speaker 1: way that NATO, led by the US made a strategic 1337 01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,760 Speaker 1: choice to kill a budding piece deal that could have 1338 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:55,200 Speaker 1: brought a ceasefire mere weeks into this horrific conflict. In 1339 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,559 Speaker 1: an explosive interview, former Israeli Prime Minister enough Tolly Bennett 1340 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,680 Speaker 1: goes into great depth about his role in attempting to 1341 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,599 Speaker 1: achieve a negotiated settlement a week and a half into 1342 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,920 Speaker 1: this war. Listening to this interview is to come face 1343 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: to face with just how much we have been lied 1344 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:14,719 Speaker 1: to and propagandized by the Western press. Every detail about 1345 01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,000 Speaker 1: this conflict has been obscured and manipulated, from what the 1346 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 1: war is even about to what our role in it 1347 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,559 Speaker 1: actually is. Now. Some of you might have seen excerpts 1348 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,080 Speaker 1: from this interview already. It occurred over a week ago now, 1349 01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,960 Speaker 1: but it is five hours long, and I wanted to 1350 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,360 Speaker 1: take some time to actually go through it thoroughly before 1351 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,639 Speaker 1: I broke it all down for you. Also, the interviews 1352 01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,439 Speaker 1: in Hebrew. I'm going to read a bit of the 1353 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,720 Speaker 1: English translation and put it the video up on the 1354 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,320 Speaker 1: screen so you can just get a vibe of what 1355 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,879 Speaker 1: it looks like. Right now. We're dropping into the interview 1356 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,040 Speaker 1: after former PM Bennett has already described the outlines of 1357 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,880 Speaker 1: the deal and his role in the negotiations when he 1358 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,920 Speaker 1: explains why this diplomacy all came up empty handed, so 1359 01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,160 Speaker 1: he says, I'm just the mediator, but I turned to America. 1360 01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,439 Speaker 1: In this regard, I don't do as I please. Anything 1361 01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,920 Speaker 1: I did was coordinated down to the last detail with 1362 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,920 Speaker 1: the US, Germany and France. The interviewer then asked him, 1363 01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,439 Speaker 1: so they blocked it, and he replies basically, yes, they 1364 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,920 Speaker 1: blocked it, and I thought they were wrong. In retrospect, 1365 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,360 Speaker 1: it's too soon to know. So in that clip, Bennett 1366 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,519 Speaker 1: there says unequivocally that NATO, led by the US, blocked 1367 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,719 Speaker 1: a budding piece deal. At another point, Bennett claim says, quote, 1368 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,080 Speaker 1: I have one claim. I claim there was a good 1369 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,360 Speaker 1: chance of reaching a ceasefire. The interviewer then queries whether, 1370 01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,360 Speaker 1: but it means they could have achieved a ceasefire had 1371 01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,600 Speaker 1: the US not curbed it, and Bennett nods yes in confirmation. 1372 01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,320 Speaker 1: Think of how explosive this revelation is. If there was 1373 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,559 Speaker 1: an ounce of credibility in the Western press, this would 1374 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,840 Speaker 1: be bombshell news. It reveals a portrait of the war 1375 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,920 Speaker 1: in our role in it that is wildly out of 1376 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,040 Speaker 1: step with the narrative that the US public has been fed, 1377 01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,160 Speaker 1: in which we are solely supporting Ukraine's ambitions, as Biden says, 1378 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,880 Speaker 1: nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine, and in which our only 1379 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,040 Speaker 1: choices are to let Ukrainians be slaughtered or shipped tanks 1380 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,320 Speaker 1: and probably fighter jets, and court war with the nuclearm superpower. 1381 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:06,360 Speaker 1: In reality, Ukraine, led by Zelenski, wanted a deal early 1382 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,120 Speaker 1: in this conflict and was willing to make some hard 1383 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,559 Speaker 1: compromises to get there, and far from the imperialist madman 1384 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,559 Speaker 1: presented the US press, Putin was also seemingly willing to 1385 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,800 Speaker 1: make significant compromises to achieve a ceasefire. Bennett says it 1386 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,720 Speaker 1: was his impression that both of these men wanted a 1387 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,120 Speaker 1: ceasefire at that point. Now, most of the press simply 1388 01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,439 Speaker 1: ignored these revelations, which honestly was probably the safest choice, 1389 01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,559 Speaker 1: because the attempt to spin it was hilariously flailing. This 1390 01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,599 Speaker 1: attempt to spin from insider claims that actually the Hebrew 1391 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,640 Speaker 1: was translated incorrectly, and when Bennett says quote they blocked it, 1392 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,320 Speaker 1: the correct translation should have been quote they stopped it. 1393 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,360 Speaker 1: Oh well, if the US stopped the peace negotiations. That's 1394 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,280 Speaker 1: totally different than if they blocked the peace negotiations. Come on, people, 1395 01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,680 Speaker 1: they also trot it down. Of course, they're tried and 1396 01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,360 Speaker 1: true tactic for shutting down debate by smearing anyone who 1397 01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,760 Speaker 1: amplified this interview and the explosive revelations contained therein as 1398 01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,280 Speaker 1: a Russian propagandist. But whether the proper Hebrew to English 1399 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,679 Speaker 1: translation is blocked or stopped, this is not the first 1400 01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,200 Speaker 1: indication we've gotten that the US killed an emerging deal 1401 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,240 Speaker 1: and chose war over the possibility, not a certainty, but 1402 01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:20,080 Speaker 1: the possibility of negotiated peace. Bennett, for what it's worth, 1403 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,000 Speaker 1: put that possibility of achieving a settlement in those early 1404 01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,760 Speaker 1: days at a fifty fifty chance, not a guarantee, but 1405 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,400 Speaker 1: damn it was worth a shot. Now, you'll recall the 1406 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,080 Speaker 1: Ukrainian press reported that then UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson 1407 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,519 Speaker 1: flew to Kiev early in the conflict, who personally informs 1408 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,280 Speaker 1: Lensky we did not want a deal. We also had 1409 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,719 Speaker 1: former US National Security Council official Fiota Hill writing about 1410 01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,719 Speaker 1: the outlines of that peace deal for Foreign Affairs, saying, quote, 1411 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,080 Speaker 1: Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on 1412 01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,360 Speaker 1: the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement. Russia would withdraw 1413 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,839 Speaker 1: to its position on February twenty three, when it controlled 1414 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,559 Speaker 1: part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and 1415 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,479 Speaker 1: in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership 1416 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,040 Speaker 1: and increase instead received security guarantees from a number of countries. 1417 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:07,600 Speaker 1: So coupled those reports with Bennett's revelations here, and it 1418 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,439 Speaker 1: becomes quite clear we wanted this war to go on, 1419 01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,240 Speaker 1: with all of the horror that that has entailed, and 1420 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:19,040 Speaker 1: we blocked possible piece, or stopped a possible piece, if 1421 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,280 Speaker 1: you prefer. There was a lot more. Though in this 1422 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,439 Speaker 1: interview describing as negotiations with Zelenski and Putin, then it 1423 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,120 Speaker 1: calls both leaders quote pragmatic. Again, that's a characterization that 1424 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,120 Speaker 1: undermines media caricatures of both of these men. As part 1425 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,680 Speaker 1: of the negotiations, Putin had already agreed to drop his 1426 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,720 Speaker 1: demand that Ukraine disarm and had pledged not to kill Zelensky. 1427 01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,679 Speaker 1: He agreed to not have regime change. For his part, 1428 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,360 Speaker 1: Zelensky had already agreed to stay out of NATO. That's 1429 01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,080 Speaker 1: an issue that Bennett describes as key context by the way, 1430 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:49,000 Speaker 1: for Putin's decision initially to invade. Bennett says at one point, 1431 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,360 Speaker 1: quote there are two very different narratives. The Wesse's Putin 1432 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,879 Speaker 1: as an imperialist who wants to take over more places. 1433 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,760 Speaker 1: Putin's perception was wait, when the wall came down, we 1434 01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,080 Speaker 1: reached an agreement with NATO that they wouldn't expand and 1435 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,639 Speaker 1: would not touch the belt countries that envelop Russia. Don't 1436 01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,280 Speaker 1: bring me NATO my enemy or rival. And why are 1437 01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,439 Speaker 1: you introducing Ukraine into NATO. That's how he describes Putin's thinking. 1438 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,479 Speaker 1: Bennett then goes on to explain that the US has 1439 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,360 Speaker 1: its own Monroe doctrine of regional hegemony and Russia sees 1440 01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,639 Speaker 1: are medaling in Ukraine similarly as quote, don't come here, 1441 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,080 Speaker 1: this is my backyard. Now. This is important, again, not 1442 01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,680 Speaker 1: because it erases Russia's culpability, but because it suggests that 1443 01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,640 Speaker 1: had we engaged in negotiations before the war, maybe this 1444 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,320 Speaker 1: could have been preventable. It also suggests that this isn't 1445 01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,960 Speaker 1: actually a war over values the way it's portrayed, with 1446 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,080 Speaker 1: Putin playing the part of genocidal lunatic in the USS 1447 01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,240 Speaker 1: heroic infallible savior. It's rather a more conventional conflict over 1448 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,439 Speaker 1: resources and national interests, where our own arrogance and wilful 1449 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:51,040 Speaker 1: disregard for Russian redlines plays a not insignificant role helpful 1450 01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:55,040 Speaker 1: context if you actually care about ending this war. It 1451 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,519 Speaker 1: is astonishing the lengths that the US press has gone 1452 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,880 Speaker 1: to in order to deceive the mayor and public about 1453 01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,639 Speaker 1: the very basics of this conflict, to shield us from 1454 01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,679 Speaker 1: any inconvenient facts, to mask any and all US complicity, 1455 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,479 Speaker 1: such as our possible role, for one example, in blowing 1456 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,719 Speaker 1: up the Nord stream pipeline, to thoroughly ignore the costs 1457 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,040 Speaker 1: of our current strategy. And now is a particularly critical 1458 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,320 Speaker 1: time to sober up and to start thinking a lot 1459 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,040 Speaker 1: more clearly, Russia's preparing major offensive, and according the Rand Corporation, 1460 01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,040 Speaker 1: which is largely funded by the US government, is unlikely 1461 01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,559 Speaker 1: either Ukraine or Russia is going to outright when this war. 1462 01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,720 Speaker 1: That means the only end to this conflict is going 1463 01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,160 Speaker 1: to come from a negotiated settlement of the type that 1464 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,799 Speaker 1: we killed. Rand also concludes we need to do whatever 1465 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,000 Speaker 1: we can to avoid a longer war because the costs 1466 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,280 Speaker 1: of such a protracted conflict are unacceptably high. Those costs 1467 01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:50,960 Speaker 1: of a long war include Ukrainian civilian deaths, Ukrainian economic destruction, 1468 01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,400 Speaker 1: global loss of life from increased food and energy prices, 1469 01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,200 Speaker 1: the risk of a direct hot war between NATO and Russia, 1470 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,840 Speaker 1: and the risk of Russian nuclear usage. As a report 1471 01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,320 Speaker 1: drily explains, quote, avoiding these two forms of escalation is 1472 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,040 Speaker 1: the paramount US priority. At least it should be the 1473 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:12,400 Speaker 1: paramount US priority. Unfortunately, ASNF Tally Bennett himself acknowledges in 1474 01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,240 Speaker 1: the interview, a deal of the sort that was outlined 1475 01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,240 Speaker 1: those early days it might now be impossible to achieve. 1476 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,960 Speaker 1: After the horrors of war, the hardening of everyone's positions, 1477 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,920 Speaker 1: and a year of war propaganda, Achieving a ceasefire is 1478 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,840 Speaker 1: certainly no easy task. Bennett name checks the Russian war 1479 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,640 Speaker 1: crimes committed at Bucha in particular as the sort of 1480 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,320 Speaker 1: atrocity which makes a negotiated settlement so much more difficult. 1481 01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,160 Speaker 1: But that degree of difficulty is no excuse for failing 1482 01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,519 Speaker 1: to try and continuing to pursue a policy that has 1483 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:41,439 Speaker 1: only led to more escalation. From invasion to the present day, 1484 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,240 Speaker 1: the Western press has given you a wildly disordered, one sided, 1485 01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,519 Speaker 1: and at times outright false understanding of the very basics 1486 01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,479 Speaker 1: of this conflict. They have painted a Disney version of 1487 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,200 Speaker 1: it with simple narratives convenient to bide in the US state, 1488 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:59,200 Speaker 1: and ignored or dismissed anything inconvenient or complicating for that narrative. 1489 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,360 Speaker 1: Look no further than the total lack of media curiosity 1490 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,479 Speaker 1: about who actually blew up the nord Stream pipeline. This 1491 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,040 Speaker 1: interview is just the latest proof, whatever the media might say, 1492 01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:14,960 Speaker 1: Biden's decisions have guaranteed carnage and further disaster. It is astonishing, 1493 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,040 Speaker 1: saga that most of the media just ignored this interview, Oh, 1494 01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,519 Speaker 1: totally ignored. They ignored the report we covered have been 1495 01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,360 Speaker 1: covering about Boris Johnson flying that was actually reported by 1496 01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,640 Speaker 1: Ukrainian like Western aligned Ukrainian media, total blackout here. They 1497 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,120 Speaker 1: ignored what Fiona Hill said about the fact that, hey, 1498 01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:33,960 Speaker 1: here were the contours of the deal that came to light, 1499 01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:38,560 Speaker 1: and now you have, in this lengthy interview, detailed descriptions 1500 01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,439 Speaker 1: from former Israeli PM Bennett about how he engaged the calls, 1501 01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,080 Speaker 1: he had, the concessions they were willing to put on 1502 01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,559 Speaker 1: the table, and the fact that the US directly leading 1503 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,400 Speaker 1: NATO said no, we don't want this. Russia's weakrelent. We 1504 01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,320 Speaker 1: thought we want the war. This was an extraordinary one. 1505 01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,160 Speaker 1: And also there is no reason to lie. Why would 1506 01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,880 Speaker 1: he lie about this? And the Israelis have been explained this. 1507 01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,920 Speaker 1: They have a much very different policy visa weird They 1508 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,439 Speaker 1: don't care about Russia and Ukraine. First of all, they 1509 01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,120 Speaker 1: have a large Russian population. They care about themselves. They've 1510 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,800 Speaker 1: always had very friendly relations with Putin because Putin is 1511 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,680 Speaker 1: actually weirdly kind of pro Israel for similar reasons. Well, 1512 01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,280 Speaker 1: they're like allies in Syria. Yeah, exactly, their allies in 1513 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,200 Speaker 1: Syriac exactly. So the point is that they don't care. 1514 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,559 Speaker 1: They don't care exactly what happens. And that's why they've 1515 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,320 Speaker 1: refused to sell a lot of weapons to Ukraine. Ukraine 1516 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,000 Speaker 1: asked them for iron Dome, They're like, no, we're not 1517 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:28,880 Speaker 1: giving it to you. To the extent that they've helped, 1518 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,479 Speaker 1: it's that they allowed us to take a bunch of 1519 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,879 Speaker 1: AMMO that we have in Israel and give it to Ukraine. 1520 01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,920 Speaker 1: That's it. So he has no reason to lie. He 1521 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,639 Speaker 1: also was clearly privy to a lot of the behind 1522 01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,760 Speaker 1: the scenes, and he's telling us what happened in our press. 1523 01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,519 Speaker 1: Just lets it go. I mean, it's totally It really 1524 01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,639 Speaker 1: is nuts, you know when you just consider like how much, 1525 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,320 Speaker 1: how very different the world could have been. And here's 1526 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,200 Speaker 1: the thing, this is one of those where when the 1527 01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,639 Speaker 1: history is written one hundred years from now, you bet 1528 01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,320 Speaker 1: that they're going to focus in a lot on this 1529 01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,760 Speaker 1: mab So this was a pivot. The reason I keep 1530 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,679 Speaker 1: coming back to it is it is so much harder 1531 01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:07,160 Speaker 1: now to get back to that place where again, there 1532 01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:10,920 Speaker 1: were no guarantees. Bennett says, fifty to fifty chants, that's 1533 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,439 Speaker 1: a much better chance than where we're at now. After 1534 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,360 Speaker 1: all of the horrors and war crimes and atrocities that 1535 01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,360 Speaker 1: have been committed, and the propaganda and everybody hardening their positions, 1536 01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,760 Speaker 1: it will be so much more difficult to get back 1537 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,120 Speaker 1: to that place. And so when I look at Okay, 1538 01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,640 Speaker 1: we're literally week and a half in, it was like 1539 01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,280 Speaker 1: a weekend, a week and a half in to the war, 1540 01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:34,760 Speaker 1: and they're having actual fruitful negotiations, both sides making key concessions, 1541 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,160 Speaker 1: the outlines of a deal coming together, and we say no, 1542 01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,439 Speaker 1: we want the war. Think of all the hundreds of 1543 01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:44,320 Speaker 1: thousands of lives that have been lost between then and now. 1544 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,719 Speaker 1: Think of the destruction of Ukraine, think of the global 1545 01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,679 Speaker 1: pain of the increased food and energy prices, and think 1546 01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:56,080 Speaker 1: of the continued risk of potential nuclear conflagration and the 1547 01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:00,519 Speaker 1: increasingly direct confrontation that we are having with regards to Russia. 1548 01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,160 Speaker 1: It's just I will never be able to let it go. 1549 01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,120 Speaker 1: And then the crime on top of that is the 1550 01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:10,599 Speaker 1: press just completely completely erasing it. When you hear how 1551 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,160 Speaker 1: Bennett talks about this conflict in the early days, and 1552 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,160 Speaker 1: I want to say, to be fair, he now says, look, 1553 01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,320 Speaker 1: maybe they did make the right choice. It's too early 1554 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,160 Speaker 1: to say maybe they were right in blocking that negotiation. 1555 01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,400 Speaker 1: He says, at the time, I thought that they were wrong. 1556 01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,400 Speaker 1: But when you listen to how Brazil's President Lula when 1557 01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,160 Speaker 1: he was here talking to Biden, which we covered early 1558 01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,320 Speaker 1: in the show, the way he talks about it and 1559 01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,680 Speaker 1: the way Bennett was talking about it, you see a 1560 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:35,400 Speaker 1: lot more congruity and again a portrait that is completely 1561 01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,880 Speaker 1: hidden from the US public. Ultimately, so it was astonishing 1562 01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:41,679 Speaker 1: to listen to this interview. I encourage you to take 1563 01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,200 Speaker 1: the time to interview itself is five hours the Ukraine. 1564 01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's maybe like forty minutes long. It's 1565 01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,439 Speaker 1: worth taking a listen to exactly how he describes this negotiation. Yeah, 1566 01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,080 Speaker 1: well said, all right, guys, we've been closely tracking that 1567 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,960 Speaker 1: Ohio train derailment is actually a part of Ohio that 1568 01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,720 Speaker 1: I used to live very close to, and it has 1569 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:03,280 Speaker 1: turned into just an utter environmental catastrophe. There are reports 1570 01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,360 Speaker 1: of animals that have been dying. Residents are saying, hey, 1571 01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,080 Speaker 1: you guys told us it safe to come back. It 1572 01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,880 Speaker 1: still smells terrible. I'm still getting headaches. What the hell 1573 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,400 Speaker 1: is going on? We have someone who is an independent journalist, 1574 01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,639 Speaker 1: they're locally, John Russell, who is going to give us 1575 01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,240 Speaker 1: the very latest on that situation. So let's get to it. 1576 01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,400 Speaker 1: John Russell is the author of the Holler Substack and 1577 01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:27,439 Speaker 1: he joins us now, Gritz Caesar, Griscia man, Hey, thanks 1578 01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,400 Speaker 1: for having me on. Good to be here, Yeah, our pleasure. 1579 01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:31,080 Speaker 1: Let's go ahad and put your latest piece up on 1580 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:35,000 Speaker 1: the screen here. The headline is railroaded the Northern Southern 1581 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,840 Speaker 1: Northbrook Southern Disaster in East Palestine, Ohio. Part one. Rail 1582 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,400 Speaker 1: workers warned us about a preventable disaster like this, And 1583 01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,840 Speaker 1: before we jump into the latest, just so people know 1584 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,639 Speaker 1: a little bit of your background. You're from this area, 1585 01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,320 Speaker 1: born and raised, you live close by. You also have 1586 01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,519 Speaker 1: you're an independent journalist, but you're also a man of 1587 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,599 Speaker 1: the people. You're a dive bar bartender. So you hear 1588 01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,080 Speaker 1: a lot from local folks that have I wanted to 1589 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,200 Speaker 1: have you on because you have a full picture of 1590 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,519 Speaker 1: the local community and what the concerns are. So first, 1591 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,479 Speaker 1: just give everybody who maybe hasn't been following this disaster 1592 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:14,120 Speaker 1: that closely what exactly happened and where are we now. Yeah, 1593 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,799 Speaker 1: this is a very small rural community on the eastern 1594 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,280 Speaker 1: board of Ohio and Pennsylvania. And what happened, of course, 1595 01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:24,240 Speaker 1: was a catastrophic derailment. You've seen pictures of the explosion. 1596 01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,719 Speaker 1: News media and officials are deeming it a controlled release. 1597 01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:33,360 Speaker 1: But Norfolk Southern had a train derail in this town. 1598 01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:38,040 Speaker 1: I think the really interesting angle here is the corporate 1599 01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:44,519 Speaker 1: practice something called precision scheduled railroading that could definitely have 1600 01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:48,880 Speaker 1: contributed to an axle failure, which is what happened on 1601 01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,360 Speaker 1: this train, which is what caused the derailment. Is directly 1602 01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,479 Speaker 1: related to a corporate practice that is cutting the training 1603 01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,840 Speaker 1: and the maintenance and an inspection of these trains that 1604 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,720 Speaker 1: are rolling through tiny towns like mine, you know, with 1605 01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:08,320 Speaker 1: less safety measures and crew attending to the chemicals that 1606 01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:13,120 Speaker 1: they're carrying. So obviously that backfired and we have an 1607 01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:18,120 Speaker 1: ecological disaster on our hands right where I grew up. Yeah, 1608 01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,879 Speaker 1: and so right now we've got a quol controlled release 1609 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:25,519 Speaker 1: of toxic chemicals that are happening in the area. The 1610 01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:29,080 Speaker 1: government claims everything's fine, people can come back. Yeah, I mean, 1611 01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,759 Speaker 1: just just look at that. You want to live anywhere. 1612 01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,240 Speaker 1: People are saying that what is it? Pets are dying, 1613 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:39,880 Speaker 1: that people in the air are suffering symptoms. What's the 1614 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,880 Speaker 1: official narrative? And then what are people on the ground 1615 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:48,559 Speaker 1: actually seeing and thinking. Yeah, So the official narrative that 1616 01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,320 Speaker 1: comes out of this, I think is a worthwhile thing 1617 01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:55,480 Speaker 1: to talk about. This area of the country is highly industrialized. 1618 01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,640 Speaker 1: We are used to industrial accidents, we are used to 1619 01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,400 Speaker 1: large companies coming in and extracting our wealth. That has 1620 01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:04,040 Speaker 1: been the story of this area for a long long time. 1621 01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:08,520 Speaker 1: So the official narrative in the press is really focused 1622 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,720 Speaker 1: on how much cancer we're all going to get from this. 1623 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:18,680 Speaker 1: And when I think that we should be asking the 1624 01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,760 Speaker 1: question why did this derailment happen? Why are we subjected 1625 01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:26,320 Speaker 1: to the chemicals that were released from this? And when 1626 01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,719 Speaker 1: you talk to workers on the railroad, it's pretty easy 1627 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:35,479 Speaker 1: to piece together that a story of corporate negligence. Norfolk Southern, 1628 01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:41,440 Speaker 1: because of implementing the practices that cut training, that cut maintenance, 1629 01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:46,080 Speaker 1: that cut inspections on rail cards, have caught the axle 1630 01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:50,400 Speaker 1: that failed in this case. Because they've done all of 1631 01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,439 Speaker 1: those things, they've been able to amass immense profits. I mean, 1632 01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:58,960 Speaker 1: they did ten billion dollars in stock buybacks last year, right. 1633 01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,080 Speaker 1: So a lot of the press coverage here has been 1634 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,240 Speaker 1: around the chemicals that have been released and not how 1635 01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:11,759 Speaker 1: Norfolk Southern made a ton of money and left the 1636 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:17,360 Speaker 1: chance open for catastrophe like this to happen. When we 1637 01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:19,519 Speaker 1: talked to a lot of people on the ground in 1638 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,920 Speaker 1: the area, they're just looking to go back to their 1639 01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:28,320 Speaker 1: normal life. But that is a hard thing to be 1640 01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:32,040 Speaker 1: focused on here because the long term effects of this 1641 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,000 Speaker 1: kind of release of chemicals aren't going to be known 1642 01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,959 Speaker 1: for a very long time. Yeah, And the particular chemical 1643 01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,680 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of concerns around is vinyl chloride. 1644 01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,920 Speaker 1: It's described as a colorless compound. It's also a known 1645 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:49,599 Speaker 1: human carcinogen can be deadline deadly if it's inhaled, and 1646 01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,400 Speaker 1: as Saga indicated, there were some local reports of chickens, dyeing, 1647 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,599 Speaker 1: fish turning up dead in the stream, other animals that 1648 01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,640 Speaker 1: were ill, and human beings who also felt like they 1649 01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:04,320 Speaker 1: had headache. They could still smell these chemicals even days 1650 01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,160 Speaker 1: after the release, and even after officials said, oh, it's 1651 01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,880 Speaker 1: all good, it's all safe. Nothing to see here. I 1652 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,120 Speaker 1: think an important context to John and what you really 1653 01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,479 Speaker 1: bring is, you know, this is the part of the 1654 01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,519 Speaker 1: country that used to be a sort of you know, 1655 01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,840 Speaker 1: very solidly blue, a lot of labor union presence, a 1656 01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,400 Speaker 1: lot of sort of like muscle memory for the Democratic Party. 1657 01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,240 Speaker 1: And it's the region of the country and I know 1658 01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,320 Speaker 1: this because I used to live there that is moved 1659 01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,000 Speaker 1: the furthest to the right the fastest. So this is 1660 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:36,639 Speaker 1: sort of like the epicenter of the Trump populist revolt. 1661 01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,840 Speaker 1: And so there's a lot of mistrust, I would say, 1662 01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,559 Speaker 1: at this point of authorities and officials. So when people 1663 01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,000 Speaker 1: are hearing from the government. It's all good. You can 1664 01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,920 Speaker 1: go home. That's not going to be any problem. We 1665 01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,080 Speaker 1: took care of it. You know, are they believing that 1666 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,519 Speaker 1: I would say no, I would say no, they're not. 1667 01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:01,120 Speaker 1: But you know, we're used to this kind of corporate playbook. 1668 01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,720 Speaker 1: I mean, look at this. Here's another great way to 1669 01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,680 Speaker 1: think about this. This part of the country also was 1670 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,599 Speaker 1: hit very, very hard by the opioid epidemic. I mean, 1671 01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,080 Speaker 1: I graduated with fifty five kids in my high school class. 1672 01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,920 Speaker 1: My connection to East Palestine, you know, I used to 1673 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:19,679 Speaker 1: go up to their homecomings. When you're in a small 1674 01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,360 Speaker 1: rural county like this, a lot of the kids know 1675 01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,400 Speaker 1: each other. But even in a small high school, I 1676 01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,840 Speaker 1: had more, you know, more than ten friends passed from 1677 01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:33,200 Speaker 1: the opioid epidemic. When we saw pushes for accountability of 1678 01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:38,519 Speaker 1: companies that are here making a ton of profit and 1679 01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:42,800 Speaker 1: sticking areas like this part of the country with the 1680 01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:47,440 Speaker 1: bag from seeking that much profit, the playbook is always 1681 01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:52,559 Speaker 1: the same. You hear, you know, industry line that comes 1682 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,400 Speaker 1: out in the initial initial news reports, and then these 1683 01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:00,639 Speaker 1: companies worth billions and billions of dollars. Nobody faces jail 1684 01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,519 Speaker 1: time for addicting a part of the country to pills. 1685 01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:08,200 Speaker 1: Nobody will face jail time for a train that derails 1686 01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:14,240 Speaker 1: because of profits heeking practices that foreclosed on maintenance. Usually 1687 01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,800 Speaker 1: what you see in these cases that are headquartered in 1688 01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,839 Speaker 1: this part of the country is these big companies making 1689 01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:26,200 Speaker 1: money handover fist and then just paying out damages when 1690 01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,519 Speaker 1: these kinds of things happen from the profits that they made. 1691 01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:34,040 Speaker 1: So I think, once again, this is just more from 1692 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:39,040 Speaker 1: the corporate playbook in another tragic story for this part 1693 01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,680 Speaker 1: of the country. Yeah, I mean, this part of the 1694 01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,719 Speaker 1: country has just been like collateral damage for endless corporate 1695 01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,479 Speaker 1: greed and total lack of accountability. And I think you're 1696 01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:50,280 Speaker 1: right that it's, you know, exactly the same playbook that 1697 01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,360 Speaker 1: you see unfolding here. John, thank you so much for 1698 01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,720 Speaker 1: taking the time. Everybody, go and subscribe to his fantastic 1699 01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,240 Speaker 1: sub stack, The Haller, which gives you a wonderful look 1700 01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,960 Speaker 1: at life in this region. And also, you know, there 1701 01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,880 Speaker 1: are a lot of broader national implications here and John's 1702 01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,080 Speaker 1: always in touch with the labor community there too, which 1703 01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:09,880 Speaker 1: something we care a lot about. Thank you so much 1704 01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,200 Speaker 1: for your time today. Thanks man yep, thanks for having 1705 01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:17,599 Speaker 1: us on absolutely our pleasure. Oh what a fun show today, 1706 01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,240 Speaker 1: I think depressing now right to talk about that. We're 1707 01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,160 Speaker 1: going to stick on a couple of those stories UFOs. 1708 01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,000 Speaker 1: Of course, we've had a lot of interests. Some people 1709 01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,240 Speaker 1: are just waking up to what's happening. But this trainee railment, 1710 01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,719 Speaker 1: you cannot move on from this. This is the equivalent 1711 01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:34,200 Speaker 1: of like a major chemical disaster. I mean essentially like 1712 01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,439 Speaker 1: a chemical I'm not going to call it an attack, 1713 01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,880 Speaker 1: but like equivalent to what worst case scenario would look like. 1714 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,280 Speaker 1: And I don't see any coverage of what's going on here. 1715 01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:44,280 Speaker 1: It's nuts. Well, you know, a lot of people could die, 1716 01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:47,480 Speaker 1: they really could. It's because the reason there's no coverage 1717 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,080 Speaker 1: is because everyone is complicit, right, I mean, the Republicans, 1718 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,720 Speaker 1: the Democrat like, they all have done the bidding of 1719 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,920 Speaker 1: the rail industry. And we saw it very clearly with 1720 01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,679 Speaker 1: Biden and the Democrats and the Republicans all joining together 1721 01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:03,200 Speaker 1: to break the potential strike of rail workers and deny 1722 01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,080 Speaker 1: them any the paid sick time and other benefits that 1723 01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:10,320 Speaker 1: they definitely deserve. So I think that's why is because 1724 01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:14,160 Speaker 1: there isn't an easy partisan narrative and so the media 1725 01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:18,160 Speaker 1: doesn't really care. It tells you a lot about what 1726 01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,559 Speaker 1: captures their attention and what ultimately doesn't. But for the 1727 01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:24,200 Speaker 1: people that live there, I mean, this is an unbelievable disaster, 1728 01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,040 Speaker 1: and for the country, it's an absolute you know, the 1729 01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,040 Speaker 1: fact that it was predictable and that in fact was 1730 01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:33,479 Speaker 1: predicted is part of what makes this also galling and horrifying. 1731 01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:37,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, Well, see you guys later. Thank you 1732 01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:39,519 Speaker 1: to everybody who supports the show. We've got a fun 1733 01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:41,559 Speaker 1: one plan for you tomorrow. We're gonna stick with all 1734 01:31:41,600 --> 01:32:04,759 Speaker 1: these stories and yeah, it's gonna be fun. Week shot, 1735 01:32:11,880 --> 01:33:24,679 Speaker 1: sh shot, shot, keep keep