1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. Welcome to you, and that's what you 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: really miss podcasts, Ask me anything. 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: Today is a very special day because I think this 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: is like some of our favorite stuff. We get to 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: answer all of your questions, so many questions you submitted 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: on our Instagram. Thanks for writing in. We love it, 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: We love doing this. Thank you for taking the time 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: for being thoughtful. So let's just hop into this, shall we. 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin, there's so many that I'm literally just gonna 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: scroll down and just pick the first one. I'm just 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: gonna stop somewhere like Russian Roulette for this first one. Okay, great, Okay, 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: give it to us. All right, let's see who would 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: break character the most and least. 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: You know, people were pretty good at not breaking I. 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: Was gonna say, we don't. I don't know that we 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: had a lot of people break No. 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: I would probably say, for the absurdity of her lines, 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: Jane never really broke right. 20 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: She would even in character when she'd do like let 21 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: me say that again, and just do it again, she'd 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: staying in that same voice. I think when we didn't 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of people who broke, like often it 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: was like if one person broke though, everybody would go. 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: It was kind of like the trickle effect, like if 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: if the room went, we all went. 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone went down together. Yeah, it's very true. Okay, 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 2: I want to know if you sing the whole song 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: when you filmed a scene and then they cut it 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: for TV. So sometimes and we never filmed the entire song. No, 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: we recorded an entire song and then we shot to 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: an edited form of that, which was usually like a 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: verse chorus, bridge chorus type thing TV edit, the American 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: Idol edit. But sometimes even then it would get chopped 35 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: down to an even shorter version, so some of what 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: we filmed would not actually make it in if they 37 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 2: were short on time for the episode. 38 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that is right. Yes. Were you able to 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: have a say in which songs you sang on tour? 40 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: Somewhat somewhat right? Yeah. For me, there was an encore situation, 41 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: and I have to say all the Glee ladies really 42 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: fought for me to be able to do safety dance, 43 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: to get up and dance on tour because it was 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: really important for all of us to stay in character. 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: So I was in the wheelchair, but because we were 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: going on this big arena tour, upgraded from the previous tour. 47 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: Ryan Ryan basically made the set list, and then when 48 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: it came to the encore, he came into our green 49 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: room during rehearsals in Vegas and said, let's put it 50 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: to a vote. And I was really nervous because all 51 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: the girls that sort of been plotting of like we're 52 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get you to do safety Dance, and 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: you guys really spoke up, and you know, we weren't 54 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: used to being in the position to like speak up 55 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: to Ryan and suggest things. This was his baby, but 56 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: tor felt a little different. Yeah, and you all voted, 57 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: and Ryan did not seem too hot on doing safety 58 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Safety Dance. You're right, he didn't. I think he was 59 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: concerned because of the outreach and the outpouring of people, 60 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, handiceping, people who were really feely represented and 61 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: we wanted to stay in character, and I think he 62 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: was nervous about it, probably, Yeah. But also the encore, 63 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: because it was the encore. I think the girls felt 64 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: like the show was set. The encore was kind of 65 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: like this extra thing where we knew a couple of numbers, 66 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: like New York state of mind was going to be 67 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: in there. And then there were a couple of other 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: things that were like Ryan was like, talk to me 69 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: about this, let's talk about the oncre what would be fun? 70 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: What do we think the people will want? Like kind 71 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: of thing. And I think that's why we felt like 72 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: we had the agency just to speak up, was because 73 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: it felt like a real conversation that, like theoncar could 74 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: go many ways, which I remember really riding really pushed 75 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: back on it, and we really pushed back on it 76 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: on it as well. We were like, we really want 77 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: safety dance. We all got to be in it. We 78 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: all wanted you to be dancing, and and it worked. 79 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: I totally worked. Yeah. I was sitting there. I will 80 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: never forget it. I remember where you were sitting. I 81 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: remember where I was sitting. I was like, oh my god, 82 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, because 83 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 2: you guys were all speaking up and. 84 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 3: Like we had never done that right, right, And I 85 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: really also earlier that day, so Dana Walden, who is 86 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 3: now the president of Disney Television or something, she was 87 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: the head of Fox Studio then or network is a 88 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: network studio I don't know one of them, and she 89 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: came to visit and we were talking about how the 90 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: rehearsal was going, and Ryan was like, well, p. 91 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: YT might get cut. I was like, really, it's my 92 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: only song. 93 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: I think we just have different tastes in music, right, 94 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: And so, you know, the things that were important to 95 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: him were not important to me, and the things are 96 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 2: important to me were not important to him sort of thing. 97 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: So I was in the midst of all of this 98 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: is like, I may have no songs on this tour, 99 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: and then I went from having no songs to basically 100 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: running the entire encore. 101 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: Literally the whole thing. Do you remember? True Colors was 102 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: also not in the encore. No, but it did get 103 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: added in. How did it get added in? I don't remember. 104 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 105 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 2: So Nya was sick in London and that's when Amber 106 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: did River Deep by herself, which is crazy, that's and 107 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: she sang both parts. It was really didn't miss an 108 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: ad lib. We were sitting back there like, oh my god, 109 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: because she didn't really have any time to rehearse it. 110 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: That's right, but you know she's. 111 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: Oh, that's so right. 112 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: And then we added in True Colors and it was 113 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: I have a picture of you rehearsing it in that 114 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: empty two arena. 115 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, well, yes too. And it was the 116 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: only song the band got to play live on the 117 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: entire tour. Really, we didn't have a track for it 118 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 1: because it wasn't in the list. 119 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: On the list, and it's not to say the band 120 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: wasn't playing live. There were pre recorded parts in each 121 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 2: song as the band is playing along list. 122 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: Yes, but it was the only fully unrehearsed, no help, 123 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: no track, nothing, that we sang completely live, which was 124 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 1: really really fun. 125 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: Do you remember in Chicago during pyt the backgrounds started 126 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: playing at the wrong time. I thought they went out, Yes, 127 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 2: it was something on the pre recorded parts started playing 128 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: at the incorrect time, and I'm looking around on either 129 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 2: side of me to the band, like that's going on, 130 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: and I just kept singing over it, and then the 131 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: guy who was in charge of the playback was I 132 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: felt so bad afterwards, like it's fine, but those things 133 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: happened like that also thing never happened. That was the 134 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: only time that ever happened. Like whatever, it's all good. 135 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: But I remember sitting up there being like, does anyone 136 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: want to because our music director, Chris Polly, he could 137 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: speak to us in our in your monitors does in 138 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: case something happened, Yeah, something happened. He would you'd all 139 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: of a sudden hear this voice in your ear and 140 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: you could communicate with this. I was like Chris anything else. 141 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: I just started like grunting, like god stop. 142 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I remember hearing something weird because 143 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: we're down below at that point, and when something goes 144 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: awry or goes off from what you're used to hearing 145 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: every night, you're like, something's weird. Something's happening right now. 146 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: You're like, what's going on? It was a matinee. I 147 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: blame the matinee. Oh man, these are always a little rough. 148 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: What was your favorite on location destination? New York? I 149 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: mean going to New York. Yeah. 150 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: New York was great. It was chaos, but it was 151 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: really really fun. 152 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: Okay. So one said I saw TikTok saying Jenna once 153 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: had a crush on Kevin. Is this true? Oh my gosh, 154 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: of course it was. We've talked about this before, Yeah 155 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: it was. I did. I went to see you perform 156 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: with NLT, and my little lady parts got all crazy and. 157 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: No, no, not little lady parts. 158 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: Oh oh no, I'm sweating. Oh my god, No, I 159 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's like I remember being in 160 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: high school or being so young, and like every in 161 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: every situation, you're like, where's the person, where's my person? Yes, 162 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: and luckily you were still my person, just not that way. 163 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah it was a platonic person. Yeah, totally. But in 164 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: high school you're always like, but could it be you know, 165 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: you're just so hopeful. I don't know what that is. 166 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: Maybe society making us feel like we have to be 167 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: in love all the time, but or my home runs 168 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: were raging. I don't know. It was probably both. We 169 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: were all, yeah, it's all exciting and new and all 170 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: these fresh blood. We'd love to call it. The next 171 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: question was who hooked up? That's the only thing that 172 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: they asked, is top. 173 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: It's easier to answer who didn't. If Glee were to 174 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: do Harry styles, what songs would you want and who 175 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: would sing it? 176 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: I think we could do a whole Harry's House episode. 177 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean as it was, would have to 178 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: be on it, and I think so many people would 179 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: sound great singing that. 180 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: I'd like to hear amberssing it. I mean I'd like 181 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: to hear amberssing anything. Yeah, there you go. What was 182 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: your favorite character swap in props? Oh? This is so hard. 183 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: Oh man, I might have said this before, but I 184 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: think the Diana Diana, Yeah and Sugar switch Yeah, Quinn 185 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: and Sugar. You watch Diana play Vanessa. Vanessa is just 186 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: such a character on her own to like like to 187 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: watch somebody do it so well and so good. It 188 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: was so good, I will say your yours and nyas 189 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: is also very hard to not laugh at when we 190 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: had that scene with the two of you and she's 191 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: in the wheelchair and you have the pony. How many 192 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: times do we have to do that? Because I feel 193 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: like I could not. I had to close my eyes 194 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: to do that scene. 195 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: A few times, quite a bit. But I was I 196 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: was really fighting to be in a skirt. I wanted 197 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 2: the full thing, but Ryan was against it. 198 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: Oh. 199 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: I think they thought it would be too distracting. Really good, Yeah, 200 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. I really was trying. 201 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: Do you think you should have done it? Yeah? 202 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: I really wanted everything, But you know it's okay. Has 203 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: doing this podcast been what you expected? Good surprises, hard moments. 204 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: Great surprises. I think this has been really great. I 205 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: think Ryan's at the tone for us which we weren't 206 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: expecting or we didn't ask for it, in really like 207 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: allowing us to kind of have the space to be 208 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: honest about our experience but also share with you all 209 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: the good things that came along with a show that 210 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: like get overshadowed all the time. But that's not really 211 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: a surprise. I think it was like, how therapeutic this 212 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: has been and how honest we have been able to 213 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: be has been surprising to me. 214 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: What's been surprising to me is how meaningful it's been 215 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: for some of the crew and cast to come on 216 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: and share their positive you know, echoing what you said, 217 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: like share their positive experiences because I think understandably the 218 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 2: show left a lot of people uncertain how to feel 219 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: because we experienced so many high highs and we experienced 220 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: quite a few very low lows, and you know, negativity 221 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 2: and sadness can sometimes be the overwhelming I think feeling 222 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: that you can gravitate towards. And it's been really positively 223 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: reaffirming for us that, you know, after we've had a 224 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: couple of the cast and crew on, they've texted us 225 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: separately to just thank us, and also has helped them 226 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: reframe how they see the show and honestly, that selfishly 227 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: has been our intention for ourselves, right and Ryan when 228 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: we first mentioned it to him, and it's been It's 229 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: meant a lot to us that people have trusted us 230 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: to come on and speak openly about that, and it's 231 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 2: been a very very fun experience so far. Oh yeah, 232 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: I have to say, yeah, I hope everyone listening is 233 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: enjoying it. 234 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't think there has been any real hard parts. Yeah, no, 235 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: not yet. There's some times. Yeah, somebody said, this is 236 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: not a question. I went to a Glea Soul cycle 237 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: ride yesterday. It was the best forty five minutes. I 238 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I would enjoy that. That sounds actually good. 239 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: I would love to do that. 240 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many songs to choose from. 241 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: Why doesn't Jenna think Rocky Horror is what? I was 242 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: just to ask, Yeah, Jenna, why don't you think Rocky 243 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: Horror is a musical? I take it back, I I 244 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: I've done. I've gotten enough backlash from the Rocky Horror episode. 245 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: But people do agree with me that Daisy Jones and 246 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: the Six is a TV show about music that I understand. 247 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: Rocky Horror is a musical. I it is a musical. 248 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm not clearing that up. Yeah, yeah, I stand corrected. 249 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: Correct yourself, correct yourself. Which cast members are most like 250 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: their characters and which are opposites. That's a good question, 251 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: I would say, in the non creepy ways. It's not 252 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: a good way to start this. 253 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: Matt Morrison is like so kind and welcoming and really 254 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: just about making sure everybody is like having a good 255 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: time and chill. And then that way, it reminded me 256 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: of Shoe because we did look to him, probably because 257 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: he was playing our teacher. Yeah, he was like our 258 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: sort of like adult leader leader around us, And yeah, 259 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: it was similar in that way. 260 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: No, yeah, I definitely agree. I think there are parts 261 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: of us in all of our characters. Yeah, but the 262 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: best and the worst. But yeah, I agree. I think 263 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: there was that very caring, deep caring part of Matt. 264 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone was really like to a 265 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: tea too similar Yeah to the character. Actually, do you 266 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: wish that Tina and Artie relationship lasted longer on the 267 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: show someone didn't finish the series. I wish there was 268 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: more Lady and Tina throughout, like relationship wise, because yes, 269 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: full circle, we do come around spoiler alert, But yeah, 270 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: you off, you go off and date a ton of 271 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: other people. So mm hmm. 272 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: What are some of your favorite outfits on the show. Oh, 273 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: my goodness, all of Emma's wardrobe. Emma Pillsbury's wardrobe was 274 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: just and I do I love as insane. As insane 275 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: as it is. I think that Adidas wedding dress on 276 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: suis gesture, It is incredible. 277 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: You also really liked Kurt's clothes. You always would be like, 278 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: can I have this? Can I have this? 279 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: Yes, I'll never forget. And when I think about that, 280 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: I think about how when Alexander McQueen died in Blue, 281 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: costume designer put Kurt and all Alexander McQueen for that 282 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: entire episode. 283 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: Yes, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, like a silent dedication to him, 284 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: which was really sweet. I have to say, there are 285 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: some teena looks that I really liked. Oh yeah, some 286 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: of those are incredible. Some of them were really annoying. 287 00:16:48,760 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: Fashion is pain Jenna, Yeah whatever, Diana memory, Oh my god, 288 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: where do you start? 289 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: You know? 290 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: Going on tour with Diana was like a lot of fun. 291 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: She is so much fun and the sweetest person on 292 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: the planet. And I feel like going out with her 293 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: in some of those cities to go like just explore 294 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 2: and having those she loves to do that, like sitting 295 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: down in a random town at like a random meal 296 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: with Diana. 297 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: Well, let me tell a Diana story. So this is 298 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: Diana in a nutshell. We went to Australia. So first 299 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: she's like, you, guys, let's go to New Zealand while 300 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: we're here. And I'm like, what are you talking if 301 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: we just got to Australia. She's like, it's like just 302 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: a plane ride. Let's go. It's like five or six hours. Yeah. 303 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: I was like, that's far Diana for one day. She 304 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: and that's Diana. She's like, okay. She's like then she's like, 305 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: oh my god. The concierge told me that there are 306 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: penguins and they come out like at the crack of 307 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: dawn or at sunset, I can't remember which one. And 308 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: you take like an hour bus ride and you go 309 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: and you sit there in silence and you wait for 310 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: the penguins to come out. And she went by herself, 311 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: didn't she. Yeah, I was gonna go with her. I 312 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: think you and I were going to go with her, 313 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: and we were like, feels like a long time to 314 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: be waiting for penguins. As much as I love penguins, 315 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not sure that that's the trip 316 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: I want to do right now. And she went by 317 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: herself at the height of glee, just went by herself 318 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: and waited for those penguins and saw those penguins do 319 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: their little march. 320 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: She doesn't give a shit. She will do whatever she wants, 321 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: so go on her little adventure. And I'm always I 322 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: admire her fence. 323 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: It's just the cutest. 324 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: How crazy was it shifting into a new dynamic in 325 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 2: season four with the new cast? 326 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: It wasn't that crazy, right, Well, it was weird. It was. 327 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: It was different that the shift happened. There was weird shift. 328 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: It was different because Kevin and I were then junior 329 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: staying in school, and then all of our people went 330 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: to New York. Yeah, and we were like, where did 331 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: everybody go? Yeah? It was like everybody was so nice 332 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: and they are all so sweet, and it happened. The 333 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: shift happened quick. I remember that it was like, okay, cool, 334 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: we're all in the same We're on the same team here. 335 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: But it was a big move, and I remember being 336 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: envious of them in many ways because of our old friends, 337 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: because they got to go to a whole new set, 338 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: they got new storylines, they got to go to New York. 339 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: Like it was refreshing, right, you get to do something new, 340 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: almost like a different show. Whereas we were still in 341 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: the choir room and I was like, here we are, 342 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: Thank god Kevin's still here, thank god Cort still here. 343 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: And I felt like and then the kids started to 344 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: like look to us, which was really sweet, you know 345 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it was like we were the elders. 346 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: We were the elders, and it was kind of fun. 347 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: It was like this is how it goes, but we're 348 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: just gonna be nice to everybody. And we had some 349 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: really really fun times with them. 350 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: In the beginning. 351 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: I remember being like, this is your initiation and welcome, right, Yeah, 352 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: and then we all bonded really really fast, which was 353 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: really cool. 354 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we lucked out because you never know what personalities 355 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: are going to get thrown into the mix, and especially 356 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: like when you've been there a long time and you 357 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: feel very comfortable with how things are throwing in that 358 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 2: much new energy and blood, Yeah, to be risky and 359 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: it was really lucked out. 360 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, we lucked out to the end. Okay, 361 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: what a joy we had with these guys. Anyway, now 362 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: you go on forever about this little lifelong friend. You know, first, 363 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: I love them. I miss Jacob Artists so much. Jesus lost. Yes, 364 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: I didn't have to have We're gonna have to have 365 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: them on. I don't even remember what number it was. 366 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: The entire entire interview as his impression of you, it 367 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: was shout lost, love them, Oh my god, oh god, 368 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: what a fun time. 369 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 2: Was it hard to transition from a very busy schedule 370 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: to a less busy schedule and Glee ended. 371 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I moved to New York. Yeah, 372 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta get out, and I kept 373 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: I kept moving. So I think I was just kind 374 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: of in denial of the show being over and kept moving. 375 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: But yes, it was very strange to be working and 376 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: not be working only and have a much easier schedule. Yeah, 377 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: what did you feel? 378 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: I immediately went to London to go to do a 379 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: TV show and I missed the rap party. 380 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: I do regret some of that. That sucked. 381 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: At the time, I was like, whatever, you know, we 382 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: had to like mentally prepare ourselves that this thing is 383 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: coming to an end. So it was sort of like 384 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: prepare yourself to do other things. Yeah, And I was 385 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: so like amped up to do other things because we 386 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: couldn't really do other things for like seven years leading 387 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: up to that, and so I was very gung ho 388 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: about it. But I do wish I wasn't as gung 389 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: ho about it. 390 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: I think we all felt that way. I think we 391 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: all reacted that way. 392 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: I didn't really feel it until about a year or 393 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 2: two afterwards because I worked basically through the next year 394 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: and a half yes, Monday London most of the time, 395 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: and then it was that was already set up, so 396 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: and the things that were already set up ended, they're like, 397 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: oh wait, now what do we do? 398 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. I wasn't until like twenty seventeen, but I was like, yeah, oh. 399 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: Hm, oh, fully, it's a weird, weird sort of like 400 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: come down. Yeah, you know, it's like, oh, let's let's 401 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: check on these friendships that I maybe neglected for the 402 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: past seven years. 403 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: Already. And Kitty's relationship is because Kevin and Beckett are 404 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: friends are besties? Is that why? I mean? 405 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: No, we just everybody got put together because the writers 406 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: wanted it. Yeah, it made it easy because we were 407 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: such good friends. But we were all good friends, so 408 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: we just you know, we were hired to be actors 409 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 2: on the show to do the will of the writers, 410 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: and so you just do it. 411 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: Was it awkward to sing a song five inches away 412 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: from someone's face, even especially of lip syncing. No, No, 413 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: we were just so used to it. What has to 414 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: happen for tell Him to see the light of day? 415 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: I wish to listen to it someday. I don't know, Kevin, 416 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to ask Brian about that one. Yeah, 417 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: should we? We should ask him about it? I should Okay, 418 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: just release the unreleased songs of. 419 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: Glee, Yeah, I think you and I we'll we'll have 420 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: a dinner with Ryan. Let's plot this with the listeners, 421 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: and we'll get back to We'll talk to Ryan about 422 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: it and see what it will take to get some 423 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: of those songs stage. Like Monster didn't get cleared, right, 424 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: it didn't get cleared. We recorded it, but it didn't cleared. 425 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: So like Monster didn't get cleared, so you can't release that. 426 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: Tell Him was clear. We just never used it exactly. 427 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 2: So any of the songs that were cleared with the artists, 428 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: record labels, who ever owns the song, right. But also 429 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: they would have to have been paid for right. So, 430 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 2: as Glee no longer exists, is probably not a Glee 431 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: budget for music to purchase those songs fair, So it'd 432 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: have to be pre cleared and pre bought right. So 433 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: we can never investigate. Maybe never, but we'll investigate. Oh 434 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: my god, have you all seen the Glee porno? 435 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: Low key? The song's kind of slapped. Have we talked 436 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: about this? I don't know that we've talked about this 437 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: on the show, but yes, we have seen. We have 438 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: seen it. Unfortunately, we watched it together, we all, not 439 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: just you and me, Kevin. Let's be clear. 440 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: Yes, and somebody's trailer might have been my trailer, but 441 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: I think Corey got it right. 442 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had, I glanced, I had to walk away. 443 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 2: We didn't watch the entire thing because once you get it, 444 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: you get it. 445 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it was there, we knew about it. 446 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: I really felt like an honor. True, it's like a yeah, 447 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: it was like mad it is doing it and so 448 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: was SNL and porn. 449 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, the trospecta of making it always than. 450 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: One and with that, I think let's wrap this up. 451 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: Thanks for some great questions writing in. Hopefully we answered 452 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: your question. Have fun googling whatever we just talked about. Yea, 453 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: thank you again for listening. Thank you so much for 454 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: writing in and caring. Hey, this has been so much 455 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: fun for us. 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