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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff and I we had a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2: We may slip in some Oregon, Penn State, and Ryder
Speaker 2: Cup in about an hour. Yeah, let's start with the
Speaker 2: big game of the day. Let's break down six or
Speaker 2: seven big games, Chiefs thirty seven, Ravens twenty. They tacked
Speaker 2: on a late touchdown. Lamar's now one in six against
Speaker 2: Kansas City. They had a lot of defensive injuries, but
Speaker 2: that's not the story. The story is Lamar. I mean,
Speaker 2: to me, John, Kansas City is in his head. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously when you're missing six defensive starters. I mean, Mahomes
Speaker 2: four drives, four scores to start, like four touchdown passes.
Speaker 2: He broke the all time record fastest quarterback to two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty touchdowns, which we all knew he was
Speaker 2: going to do. So the defense it doesn't help. But
Speaker 2: I feel that Kansas City is in Lamar's head, do
Speaker 2: you definitely?
Speaker 3: I mean, the Steelers have been over the years and
Speaker 3: now Kansas City. It's undebatable. I also think this, and listen,
Speaker 3: he's a fantastic player in credible talent, but these last
Speaker 3: two weeks he's led a pretty You talk a lot
Speaker 3: about privileged lives at quarterback. On offense, like the real
Speaker 3: sports starts when your tight end chatters his leg, your
Speaker 3: right guard gets the dui, he gets suspended, and then
Speaker 3: a wide receiver goes down. In the first series of
Speaker 3: the game, It's like, then what do you do? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we've seen mahomes now for two years. But I'd say,
Speaker 3: also look at Josh Allen. His defense has been average
Speaker 3: at best over the years, Lamar, I would imagine his
Speaker 3: worst defense was last year and by the end of
Speaker 3: the year it was really good. Two years ago, they
Speaker 3: had the number one defense in the league most of
Speaker 3: his career because of the team he got drafted by. Right,
Speaker 3: it's basically like defense U in football. The Baltimore Ravens, well,
Speaker 3: what's going on right now? A bunch of injuries. Their
Speaker 3: two best defensive lineman, Van Oy's kind of a hybrid.
Speaker 3: Yeah gone, Roquand gets hurt today. I mean, their defense
Speaker 3: is just a shell of itself. It's like, okay, and
Speaker 3: listen to the Ravens. How many times did they win games?
Speaker 3: I bet if we looked over the last three or
Speaker 3: four years, like forty five thirteen. Yeah, so they roll
Speaker 3: you when they get up, but it's like, Okay, you
Speaker 3: gotta have to win this game. The Lions are used
Speaker 3: to that, thirty five thirty two, let's go the Ravens.
Speaker 3: You know, that's just he doesn't have to do that
Speaker 3: a lot over the Tryers and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: he's looking. It's like you're back on the field. You know,
Speaker 3: they just scored another point. It's just it's a different
Speaker 3: that they don't feel like the Purple team we're used
Speaker 3: to watching because defensively and that has to throw him
Speaker 3: off and it puts more pressure on him and they've
Speaker 3: kind of cracked. I would say the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you had two first half turnovers. I mean
Speaker 2: they got themselves into a hole and I let me
Speaker 2: throw this at you. I've always said the reason he
Speaker 2: dominates the NFC, and he is. No, he's it's like
Speaker 2: twenty five and yeah, yeah, they don't see him. Spags
Speaker 2: has now seen him seven times. So in my take
Speaker 2: on Lamar, I remember the first year he started playing.
Speaker 2: He I think he beat the Chargers the first time
Speaker 2: he played him, that first rookie year. Then in the
Speaker 2: second time he played the Chargers in the playoffs, if
Speaker 2: I recall, they had a little bit better beat on him.
Speaker 2: And it's all fuzzy to me, but I was told
Speaker 2: very early on you do get a little bit of
Speaker 2: a beat on him. He's just so dynamic. You can't
Speaker 2: get your arms run him. Well, Spags has seen him
Speaker 2: now so many times. It's a very good and very
Speaker 2: healthy and a fast defense, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden you jump out to a lead. And I mean,
Speaker 2: I think some of this is not that there's a
Speaker 2: secret sauce, but Spags is great, his defense is great,
Speaker 2: and they kind of mostly contained him tonight.
Speaker 3: Well, because the last two weeks, you know, Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: set the blueprint and you went, well, you know, Spags,
Speaker 3: who already had a blueprint, is going to utilize that
Speaker 3: throughout the week of basically corralling him. Now again, he
Speaker 3: might juke you out and make a move every once
Speaker 3: in a while, but if you don't just run up
Speaker 3: aimlessly and let him just get an easy ten yards
Speaker 3: with his eyes closed, it's harder for him to operate.
Speaker 3: And remember, for a long time, you know, DA's team
Speaker 3: now stinks, but it was like when he didn't when
Speaker 3: he got to pass the ball less than they ran it,
Speaker 3: he was really really effective. Lamar had that stat going forever.
Speaker 3: When the Ravens have more rushing attempts than pass attempts,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be really dangerous. Why is that they up
Speaker 3: in the second half, handing the ball off and they
Speaker 3: just kind of roll you. They lean on you. Well,
Speaker 3: today seventeen rush attempts, twenty pass attempts like that is
Speaker 3: not their formula, the way they're playing. And obviously you
Speaker 3: know the turnovers, I mean, when he's turning the ball over.
Speaker 3: Now we have and he's not the only culpert. Derek
Speaker 3: Henry has been a major problem for him this year.
Speaker 3: They're out of sink and they they have these injuries.
Speaker 2: Like you know, the.
Speaker 3: Chiefs, you could tell it's like, Okay, they beat the Giants,
Speaker 3: they win this game, they get right back into the mix.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll talk about the Chargers. They got a
Speaker 3: million injuries right now. Like it's open again for the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: You look at the Ravens and you go, could this
Speaker 3: kind of be their year from hell? Like the forty
Speaker 3: nine Ers last year where he just lose a million
Speaker 3: players and all of a sudden, you're seven and ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to your point, I joke with jamac All Week,
Speaker 2: I'm like, he does it. People don't understand it. It's
Speaker 2: not like Xavier Worthy is a one, but when you
Speaker 2: don't have a one, two or a three, he's a
Speaker 2: damn good two. So he had a ton of targets,
Speaker 2: nice catches a couple of men. He was wide open
Speaker 2: on a couple of them. So to me, when you
Speaker 2: watch Zavier Worthy, they still don't have a run game.
Speaker 2: But check o, huh, that's not gonna work big picture.
Speaker 2: But not every team that gets to the playoffs, it's Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Not everybody's a great run team. What the run team
Speaker 2: does it picks up first downs and it helps your defense.
Speaker 2: So I think they're gonna have to establish that. But
Speaker 2: when I watched them today with Thornton, Juju Smith, Zavier Worthy,
Speaker 2: my take was, and I'm not sure if yours was, well,
Speaker 2: if they get Rashi Rice Back, okay, now Thornton, now Worthy,
Speaker 2: now Rice, Juju Smith, Travis Kelce, okay, that's more than
Speaker 2: good enough. With Patrick Mahomes if they can just be
Speaker 2: average running the ball. But Worthy today it was pretty
Speaker 2: clear that he has a relationship with Mahomes and it's
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty good. Well.
Speaker 3: One thing I wrote down is, you know, Taekwon Thornton
Speaker 3: was once a second round pick. You know now it
Speaker 3: was a late second round pick by the Patriots. But
Speaker 3: he has a touchdown in each of the last three weeks.
Speaker 3: So you get Worthy back, you get this guy who
Speaker 3: can fly, yeah, get him some confidence. You get Rice back.
Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown is just a solid contributing member. Like he
Speaker 3: can get you five six catches every game. Juju can
Speaker 3: just do some dirty work over the middle of the field.
Speaker 3: Their passing game looks a little bit better. Big picture,
Speaker 3: this is why they win today. They're two and two.
Speaker 3: You look at the rest of you know, the AFC,
Speaker 3: some of the injuries their own in their own division,
Speaker 3: and the Chargers. I mean, you just you can't just
Speaker 3: start overcoming missing elite players, especially at the offensive line.
Speaker 3: You go, got it. I like their offense now again,
Speaker 3: we talked about this last week with the Bears. I
Speaker 3: just said, let's pump the brakes on the you know,
Speaker 3: against the Cowboys defense he signed day, it was like
Speaker 3: the Bears offense is going to be up and down.
Speaker 3: And I will say the same thing with his Chiefs
Speaker 3: against this Baltimore defense, which is have major issues, but
Speaker 3: they also have one of the greatest quarter of all
Speaker 3: time and one of the greatest coaches of all time
Speaker 3: and coaches the offense. Yes, so I would be bullish
Speaker 3: on the unit moving forward for sure. From an explosive standpoint,
Speaker 3: and you add worthy to go with Thornton's speed, you
Speaker 3: can just stretch the field and those possession receivers in
Speaker 3: Brown and Juju and even Travis who clearly gets up
Speaker 3: for bigger games, clearly Kennet, and you just keep him
Speaker 3: healthy towards you know, a playoff game.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's got a hole outside of Philadelphia, so
Speaker 2: their defense is good. They have the best head coach
Speaker 2: coordinator combo in the league. Once they get Rice back,
Speaker 2: more than adequate, probably above average receiving corps superstar head
Speaker 2: coach quarterback. I thought the O line was good. Andy
Speaker 2: Reid has rebuilt it three times since since Mahomes arrived.
Speaker 2: Like if they've been patchworking it, you know, they lose Tuney,
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a while. They don't have a great
Speaker 2: run game. I'm not even sure how serviceable it will be.
Speaker 2: But as I watched them today, I'm like, Okay, they're
Speaker 2: a game back of the Chargers and the Chargers now,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what's happening with Joealt, but
Speaker 2: you're not with a division if you don't have Joealt
Speaker 2: or Rashaan Slater, not even Harbaugh can pull that rabbit out. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, I looked at him today and maybe I'm
Speaker 2: overly optimistic, but I said it all week. I said, Worthy,
Speaker 2: we'll get ten targets, six seven catches, and then Travis
Speaker 2: Kelcey And it's just like anything else. When you've been
Speaker 2: in any industry fifteen years. You and I, you know,
Speaker 2: our Sunday pod feels different than one in May, right,
Speaker 2: Like it's like Travis Kelsey's been around multiple surgeries. I
Speaker 2: watch him in these spots and I'm like, Okay, it's different.
Speaker 2: He's fine.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I came out of it. And again, the injuries are
Speaker 2: part of it. But I and I have defended Lamar forever.
Speaker 2: But he had two turnovers. It's pretty clear there's an
Speaker 2: anxiety that he I don't know if it's a therapy thing.
Speaker 2: He just say what you want about Josh Allen. He's
Speaker 2: been highly effective against Belichick. Against the Chiefs, Josh Allen loses.
Speaker 2: It's usually on the defense. I think it's totally in
Speaker 2: Lamar's head.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you gave the Chiefs Andy and
Speaker 3: Spags the opportunity, who would you rather play at quarterback?
Speaker 3: They wouldn't even hesitate and say, lamar right, the dad
Speaker 3: is in check Josh's data versus them in the regular
Speaker 3: season and in the playoffs. He has been excellent against
Speaker 3: Kansas City. But yeah, I mean, I think Kansas City
Speaker 3: has to be I thought the whole time. I know
Speaker 3: his numbers haven't looked good, But watching Patrick Mahomes last week,
Speaker 3: in the second half, early in the season, a couple
Speaker 3: in a couple of the losses, the one against Phildel,
Speaker 3: I think he's played really well.
Speaker 2: The same here.
Speaker 3: He's just completely under control. I bet if you went
Speaker 3: to sitting in Andy's office tomorrow, he's like, I was
Speaker 3: not worried at all over the losses with how a quarterback.
Speaker 3: I felt good. Yeah, I thought it was on the
Speaker 3: other guys. You know, so I actually think, you know,
Speaker 3: Patrick has been a little up and down in previous years.
Speaker 3: Remember he had an awful interception streaks. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: for the most part, he's he's been playing at a really,
Speaker 3: really high level. His numbers just don't look like fifty
Speaker 3: tons downs anymore. But I just go, that's one of
Speaker 3: the best players in the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the numbers don't reflect his quality of play. I
Speaker 2: thought he had two throws today and a scramble. The
Speaker 2: one where he ran over the line and came back
Speaker 2: didn't count, but it was like it was really a
Speaker 2: clever play to set up time. I also thought he
Speaker 2: had a side arm throw to Juju Smith Schuster. It
Speaker 2: was so quick and so fast, was such velocity, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, nobody else can do that. Stafford does it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like that, so I'm with you. I
Speaker 2: think Kansas City now is again a top six team
Speaker 2: and maybe five. The Giants beat the Chargers twenty one
Speaker 2: pint eighteen, so elite neighbors could be out for the year.
Speaker 2: But the story, which I thought was pretty substantial, is
Speaker 2: if you look at the numbers and you didn't watch
Speaker 2: the game, you wouldn't be impressed with Jackson Dart. But
Speaker 2: the Giants between Dart and Scataboo rushed for over one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty yards. He had seven rushes. They were
Speaker 2: excellent on down. I thought Jackson Dart was pretty damn good.
Speaker 2: Neighbors hurt early so you don't have that. He had
Speaker 2: ten scrambles for fifty five yards. I thought he was clever,
Speaker 2: kind of worked between the tackles. We know he has
Speaker 2: a decent arm. I don't know. Again, this the Chargers
Speaker 2: had Herbert was hit fourteen times, so this is like
Speaker 2: a problem. Last week he was hit fourteen times. But
Speaker 2: I thought Jackson Dart, I mean, I'm watching all these
Speaker 2: college quarterbacks. Dante Moore looks like a great quarterback. C J. Carrett,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, the rest of them, I would sell some stock.
Speaker 2: I thought Jackson Dart looked pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely gave him an energy to start the game.
Speaker 3: I mean they get upset to nothing. He has that,
Speaker 3: you know, the quarterback draw made some throws. Obviously throughout
Speaker 3: the game. He keeps plays alive with his legs. Yes,
Speaker 3: that Russell no longer was doing. There's all. There was
Speaker 3: also like a youthful I don't know, craziness to him.
Speaker 3: I mean he's trying to run guys over. He had
Speaker 3: the one play that got called back on the hole
Speaker 3: where he's he gotta be. I mean he could have
Speaker 3: broke his hand, he could have broke his finger. It's
Speaker 3: his throwing hand. But he I think he's so amped up.
Speaker 3: He's playing like he would be against Mississippi State or Tennessee.
Speaker 3: It's like you gotta be a little more careful in
Speaker 3: the NFL, especially against this team. But he definitely, I
Speaker 3: mean you skataboo the moment he's gotten in the games
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks. You can feel his energy and
Speaker 3: his physicality. He just adds something right. He is looking
Speaker 3: to hit someone hard, and I think the team feeds
Speaker 3: off it. And today you know their passing game now
Speaker 3: a neighbors, I would assume his knee's done. The passing
Speaker 3: game is going to be a struggle. The numbers are
Speaker 3: not going to look pretty good or good at all,
Speaker 3: but it definitely dark gives it something that Russell no
Speaker 3: longer does. So I also think when you look at
Speaker 3: the Chargers, they're the defensive line for the for the
Speaker 3: for the Giants is excellent. I mean, Burns is a
Speaker 3: fantastic player. Monster Cavon is even better. I think that
Speaker 3: he's played earlier in his career. And obviously they just
Speaker 3: they fly around, so you start losing. The Chargers have
Speaker 3: a domino effect problem because Alt is there because the
Speaker 3: left tackles down he's supposed to play right tackle, so
Speaker 3: the backup right tackle is at right tackle. Well, then
Speaker 3: he goes down Beck to you know, you start shuffling.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you got backups and third stringers
Speaker 3: in different spots against I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 3: much they may combined. But the Giants defense, they're paying
Speaker 3: a lot of money, yes, and they've invested a lot
Speaker 3: of resources, so he is. I thought Herbert Mason throws
Speaker 3: a day where it looked like he was gonna lose
Speaker 3: knees and limbs. I he's just getting cut off, He's
Speaker 3: getting destroyed. That's not as sustainable. Now. I like the
Speaker 3: Giants today because I went, well, you go thirteen and
Speaker 3: four East Coast game, early morning, the juice of the
Speaker 3: new quarterback. So I thought they were going to lose
Speaker 3: or at least this game was going to be close.
Speaker 3: But then now, when you look big picture, you go
Speaker 3: alt high ankle sprain for a big guy that could
Speaker 3: be a month. So it's like you got problems, you know,
Speaker 3: And it feels Herbert's gonna have to be running for
Speaker 3: his life. He can do that, yeah, but man, I
Speaker 3: don't feel as good as I did about them a
Speaker 3: week ago.
Speaker 2: Now, Hampton o Mario Hampton had a couple of big runs.
Speaker 2: He looked it was funny. I wrote this down he
Speaker 2: had a fifty four yard touchdown run, and I wrote, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's worth the number one pick. They need a horse.
Speaker 2: Nagie Harris is done for the year, so I thought,
Speaker 2: Amrio Hampton like Ashton genty who will get to in
Speaker 2: a minute. Ashton looked the part today. He had a
Speaker 2: very good day, his best day as a pro. I
Speaker 2: thought Hampton had his best day. And again, the Chargers
Speaker 2: had three hundred and forty yards. Giants only had two fifty.
Speaker 3: So they're passing game this year. To me, that won.
Speaker 3: Greg Romas is calling passes non stop. Yeah two because
Speaker 3: you know Keenan Allen adds with McConkey and then Johnston
Speaker 3: the TCU kid is been fantastic this year relative to
Speaker 3: the bar.
Speaker 2: All Right, Pittsburgh, I thought it was one of the
Speaker 2: shocking performances of the day, But in hindsight it's sort
Speaker 2: of explainable. Pittsburgh twenty four Minnesota twenty one started for
Speaker 2: me eight thirty in the more. I thought it was
Speaker 2: my favorite bet of the week, but then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden they had three backup offensive linemen and the
Speaker 2: Steelers I felt Kevin O'Connell came into the game of
Speaker 2: the game plan, and so did Brian Flores, and they
Speaker 2: didn't adjust. But I think Kevin O'Connell couldn't adjust. Listen,
Speaker 2: Aaron played the best game I think Aaron's played in
Speaker 2: a couple of years. I really did. He and DK
Speaker 2: Metcalf have a clear connection. I thought the Steelers offensive
Speaker 2: line today, John, the Steelers have not developed a consistent
Speaker 2: wrong game in six years. I thought they ran the
Speaker 2: ball today effectively. I don't know. I looked at Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Jesus, this is the best Steeler performance.
Speaker 2: And again they were missing three linemen. Vikings were a
Speaker 2: mess on the old line. But we can't make excuses
Speaker 2: Baltimore's defense. You got to make plays. I thought, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: that was a great performance by the him.
Speaker 3: If you would have told me at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the day, and I have some of this was a
Speaker 3: little bit garbage time, but wentz through for three hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty yards, I'd be like, I would have had
Speaker 3: a lot more money on the Vikings. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: with you. I thought for the first time in four
Speaker 3: games a little bit last week, but they look like
Speaker 3: a physical team. Started to finish. Yes, you know, they
Speaker 3: gain Well ran for ninety nine yards. If you just
Speaker 3: gave the Steelers every week one hundred yard rusher, they're
Speaker 3: gonna have a chance, because you know, the days of
Speaker 3: Aaron throwing for three hundred and seventy five yards are done.
Speaker 2: They're done.
Speaker 3: But what he can do is a little bit like
Speaker 3: today twenty to twenty four, two hundred and twenty yards.
Speaker 3: And part of giving DK a lot of money, which
Speaker 3: was pretty risky every once in a while is gonna
Speaker 3: take it eighty yards yep, and cut across the field
Speaker 3: and run by every money. So if over the course
Speaker 3: of the season DK gives you ten touchdowns and three
Speaker 3: or four of them are like that today they usually are,
Speaker 3: that's a huge But but you got to play good defense.
Speaker 3: They had six sacks, They were all over WinCE and
Speaker 3: you know, they were hitting really hard. Now, they did
Speaker 3: lose Ramsey at the end of the game, but to me,
Speaker 3: there was a physical to their team start to finish
Speaker 3: that had kind of been lacking. And I do wonder,
Speaker 3: you know if Tomlin, I mean part of him is
Speaker 3: that raw raw, What's what is going on here? And
Speaker 3: I think the defense kind of been getting called out yep,
Speaker 3: and came to play today, and I would say the
Speaker 3: same thing for their offensive line because part of the
Speaker 3: reason every single human alive love Minnesota. It's like, well
Speaker 3: flores against this offense.
Speaker 2: Steelers and run game has been a six year disappointment.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm watching the DAN and I'm like this
Speaker 2: now again. Have I watched every Steeler drive in every
Speaker 2: Steeler game, but over the last six years, I honestly
Speaker 2: felt watching that game that was the most hopeful Steeler win.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that thven was totally I agree. They
Speaker 2: could go on the road and win a playoff game
Speaker 2: like I was. I mean, so much of this league,
Speaker 2: in a passing league, is can you consistently run the ball? First? Like, first,
Speaker 2: you don't want your quarterback throwing forty times, especially in
Speaker 2: an old quarter. Secondly, it keeps your defense off the field.
Speaker 2: And I think Pittsburgh's defense you have some older players.
Speaker 2: JJ Watt was great today, but you you have some
Speaker 2: older players and new players, so you don't want your
Speaker 2: you don't want your guys on the field for sixty
Speaker 2: six plays. I mean I wrote down four or five
Speaker 2: different times, Wow, impressed Steeter Oline dot dot dog really
Speaker 2: great today. Yeah, I mean, at one point the game
Speaker 2: was twenty one to six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, they were creating turnovers. They had a
Speaker 3: bunch of sacks. I can't imagine endlessen. I know the
Speaker 3: Vikings won one hundred and nothing last week against Jake
Speaker 3: Browning and the Bengals, but every single person with the
Speaker 3: Steelers said, We're not flying to Dublin, Ireland to lose
Speaker 3: to Carson Wentz like that, that is not happening on
Speaker 3: our watch. Well, I woke up. The game started at
Speaker 3: six thirty for me, and it was fourteen to three,
Speaker 3: and DK just had that play, and then you just
Speaker 3: watched the rest of the game, and again it was
Speaker 3: they got some late touchdowns. You know, Rogers is screaming
Speaker 3: to go forward at the end, they get denied, like
Speaker 3: the one yard line, right when he wanted to basically
Speaker 3: ice the game, and a couple of plays later they score,
Speaker 3: so all of a sudden, I think it was like
Speaker 3: twenty four to fourteen, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it's twenty four to twenty one. And they still got
Speaker 3: a couple a minute or two before the two minute warning.
Speaker 3: You're like, WHOA, And I think, you know, Rogers, I
Speaker 3: think is trying to make the Tomlin a little unconservative.
Speaker 3: I think their nature would never have been to do that,
Speaker 3: but he kind of got to overrule him there, and
Speaker 3: which I didn't mind. They had to go ninety nine
Speaker 3: yards with Carson Wentz and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: they I think they blew a coverage to Jordan Addison.
Speaker 3: They got lucky that he didn't score. You know, the
Speaker 3: guy made a great play to kind of b line
Speaker 3: him down at the end. But I'm with you. Beside
Speaker 3: a couple of free plays, the Steelers not only got
Speaker 3: they leaned on Minnesota, who I think we'd all agreed,
Speaker 3: pretty tough, physical team. It's not like they are soft
Speaker 3: by any means, especially for you could look they kept
Speaker 3: showing Flora Flores. Had to look like what is going on?
Speaker 3: And listen, Sometimes you fly across these international games. What
Speaker 3: Minnesota is playing back to back international games in two
Speaker 3: different countries. You know that could really throw you off.
Speaker 3: And I heard you talking about it last week on TV,
Speaker 3: like you draft this guy really high. He misses all
Speaker 3: season last year and now he's out for six or
Speaker 3: seven games on the ankle. Like, let's let's call it
Speaker 3: what it is. Sam Darnold's leading game winn he drives
Speaker 3: kind of a disastrous situation. Well, John, it's early. We've
Speaker 3: talked a lot about you don't get much time anymore,
Speaker 3: no like, and you just let a quarterback go. It's
Speaker 3: it's a problem. And Carson Wentz is actually more impressive
Speaker 3: than I thought. I mean, it's the guy was just
Speaker 3: on his couch. He's actually pretty got some talent in
Speaker 3: his body still. But like, you drafted this guy in
Speaker 3: the top fifteen to be your quarterback of a fourteen
Speaker 3: win team and he's just sitting there eating sunflower. Sea's like,
Speaker 3: it's kind of a big problem.
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Speaker 2: First of all, you know, I'm a huge fan of
Speaker 2: Sean Payton and bow Nicks, the combination. But I mean,
Speaker 2: tonight twenty eight to three over Cincinnati, there's a couple
Speaker 2: of minutes left when I'm doing this, I just think
Speaker 2: when you watch bow Nicks play with Sean Payton, bo
Speaker 2: Nicks does so many little things well that nobody pays
Speaker 2: attention to. Have you noticed when you watch bow Nixt tonight,
Speaker 2: when his receivers or his backs are out in the flat,
Speaker 2: that ball one hundred for one hundred times is right
Speaker 2: out in front. They catch it moving forward. It is accurate,
Speaker 2: It is on a line. It's not a loopy pass
Speaker 2: where they have to wait for it. That's NFL quarterback play.
Speaker 2: That's Tom Brady. The ability to get the ball out
Speaker 2: quickly the receiver has the ball running. And I mean
Speaker 2: between Mims and Franklin and Harvey and Courtland Sutton, they
Speaker 2: just have a lot of guys who can run and
Speaker 2: catch and bow Nix is athletic and he had a
Speaker 2: bad pick tonight. But you know, people forget this. Go
Speaker 2: look at the go Look at Drew Brees second ear
Speaker 2: with Sean Payton, his interceptions went up. Sean Payton puts
Speaker 2: a ton on his quarterbacks that that tonight they had
Speaker 2: motion on thirty five percent of their plays. There is
Speaker 2: no hand holding, there is no babysitting. You gotta be smart,
Speaker 2: you gotta be focused. If you if you're if it's
Speaker 2: important for you to be cool, if it's important for
Speaker 2: you to look this way or that way, it's not
Speaker 2: going to work. This is an adult offense for a smart, intense,
Speaker 2: laser focus quarterback. Drew Brees is intense. He still is
Speaker 2: bo Nicks. You don't see a lot of smiles during
Speaker 2: the game. It's all business, and that's what Sean Payton
Speaker 2: offense demands. I really like what they've done he and
Speaker 2: the GM. I like what they've done with the offense.
Speaker 2: You know, JK Dobbins was a late ad. Jk's excellent.
Speaker 2: Troy Aikman talked about it tonight. When JK is healthy,
Speaker 2: and you know there's guys in this league that can't
Speaker 2: make it through a seventeen game schedule. But JK. Dobbins
Speaker 2: is an excellent running back. He's got great instincts, really
Speaker 2: nice vision his instincts. I always feel JK. Dobbins is
Speaker 2: one of those running backs that's looking like eight to
Speaker 2: ten yards ahead. He sets everything up really well. But
Speaker 2: I really like watching Denver play the Colts game. You know,
Speaker 2: on that final kick penalty, they should have won that game.
Speaker 2: I think the roster is one of the four or
Speaker 2: five best rosters in the league, and I think it
Speaker 2: goes It may not be Philadelphia, but I think it's
Speaker 2: in the Detroit, Kansas City, Buffalo, Green Bay class. I
Speaker 2: think it's that good. The pass rush doesn't feel quite
Speaker 2: as dominant now Cincinnati, you know, bad offensive line. The
Speaker 2: Colt shut down the Broncos pass rush. But that's a
Speaker 2: really good Colts offensive line. I think the Colts are
Speaker 2: going to win that division. I think they may want
Speaker 2: it going away. It's no shame in losing to Indianapolis.
Speaker 2: That's a good team, but I like everything they do.
Speaker 2: I just think Sean Payton, you know, you know what,
Speaker 2: I find a lot of times, and the media does
Speaker 2: this a lot Fans do it all the time. But
Speaker 2: I don't hold the fans to a higher standard. I
Speaker 2: hold the media to a higher standard. A lot of times,
Speaker 2: the media, it's really pervasive. If they don't like a guy,
Speaker 2: then they'll criticize him that they let their bias get
Speaker 2: in the way. Sean Payton is better than ninety nine
Speaker 2: percent of the coaches in this league, and he's got
Speaker 2: a great eye for personnel, and a lot of coaches don't.
Speaker 2: Andy Reid doesn't want to do personnel. Jimmy Johnson was legendary,
Speaker 2: added Sean Payton's great with personnel. Jim Harbaugh's very good
Speaker 2: with personnel, Shawn's excellent. I mean, look at these skill
Speaker 2: get they don't miss on these guys. Franklin Troy Franklin
Speaker 2: at a again, bo Nix's teammate feels like a number
Speaker 2: three to me. There were four drop passes tonight. He
Speaker 2: had one of them, but bon Nick still want twenty
Speaker 2: nine to forty two for three hundred and twenty six yards.
Speaker 2: So in that last touchdown out in the flat, they
Speaker 2: just are always prepared. And again bon Nix throws the
Speaker 2: ball down the field. It's not justin field's dink and dunk.
Speaker 2: You know it's it is. It's a big boy offense.
Speaker 2: They're throwing that ball down the field aggressively and you
Speaker 2: get some interceptions. Lway throw him, Nama throw him. Brady
Speaker 2: threw him, Peyton Manning threw him, Josh Allen threw him.
Speaker 2: I like my quarterbacks throwing the ball aggressively down the field.
Speaker 2: And I think bo Nix is not only a better
Speaker 2: athlete than his draft preview, I think I think he's
Speaker 2: got a better arm. I thought he had kind of
Speaker 2: a Derek Carr arm in college. I think it's gotten stronger.
Speaker 2: But I just like his temperament. There's just no bullshit
Speaker 2: with Bonix, just laser focused. He can take to coaching.
Speaker 2: He'll bark right back. It's all ball, all the time.
Speaker 2: So I like Denver a lot. I think they cleaned
Speaker 2: up some things tonight. Cincinnati's a mess, but again, if
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow played, they'd be a borderline playoff team, but
Speaker 2: not a great team. Zach Taylor's fine. I don't think
Speaker 2: he's necessarily special. I think he's fine as a coach.
Speaker 2: I think the owner is the cheapest in the league.
Speaker 2: I think the front office is mediocre. They don't have
Speaker 2: a big scouting department, and I feel like Denver's got
Speaker 2: now I think the richest owner in the sport first
Speaker 2: or second. They're totally committed to Sean Payton in the
Speaker 2: front office and the roster. So I think I think
Speaker 2: Denver is on a short list of teams. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I look at their personnel. I think I think if
Speaker 2: you look at their schedule. Now, you look at their schedule,
Speaker 2: they got a lot of w's coming. And I talked
Speaker 2: about this last week. Sean Payton's record in September and
Speaker 2: his career is thirty and thirty. Now think about that.
Speaker 2: Think how good Sean Payton all the success he's had,
Speaker 2: his worst month easily easily October on he wins like
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of his games is September. Why he
Speaker 2: comes in massive playbook, a lot of motion, a lot
Speaker 2: of sets, and he is demanding on his quarterbacks. And
Speaker 2: what did you get in the first couple of weeks. Mistakes, penalties,
Speaker 2: they just they just quite didn't have it all buttoned up.
Speaker 2: Love what I see from Denver, Just love it. I
Speaker 2: mean JK. Dobbins and Harvey Courtland Sutton who I think
Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton's really good. I think he's a number one.
Speaker 2: Got Franklin, Mims and Bonex. Great athlete. So a nice
Speaker 2: win for Denver, a team I really really like. And
Speaker 2: you know, Sean Payton can be a kurt and glib
Speaker 2: for some people, but you know, I mean that's the reality.
Speaker 2: Some people are smart and they've got strong opinions. You know,
Speaker 2: people I found in my career people love strong opinions
Speaker 2: only when they agree with him. And Sean Payton called
Speaker 2: out Nathaniel he was right, and he called out Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: He was right. He called out the previous regime. He
Speaker 2: was right. He was right across the board. You just
Speaker 2: don't have You don't have to like how it sounds,
Speaker 2: but you can't watch that offense and not see the
Speaker 2: play design, the play calling. Bo Nix is a hit.
Speaker 2: He just that kid just fires. You know him from
Speaker 2: the Josh Py College Football Show. He's great. Comes on
Speaker 2: the Herd volume as many times as we can get
Speaker 2: him on. We're going to. I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: been on the Herd yet. We'll get you on, I promise.
Speaker 2: So I defended James Franklin for years. I was like, listen,
Speaker 2: he's losing to Ohio State and Michigan. You know, he's
Speaker 2: losing to the right people. I thought, you're a favorite.
Speaker 2: You've got a lot of high end first round draft guys.
Speaker 2: You gotta win that game. But it was funny because
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I was watching. I don't go online
Speaker 2: very much, especially to like fan boards, but I did.
Speaker 2: I went to Penn State fan boards just to see
Speaker 2: their reaction and then we want him out of here.
Speaker 2: He's a bum. And my take is James Franklin is
Speaker 2: kind of what I think most college football coaches are.
Speaker 2: There's Kirby, there's Pete Carroll, there's Nick Saban, there's Urban Meyer.
Speaker 2: I think Chris Peterson's one of those. There's Dabbo, there's
Speaker 2: like in any industry, there's like one percent, and then
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of guys that are almost as good
Speaker 2: but may not recruit as well or they're not schematically
Speaker 2: as good. And I think James Franklin's in that. And
Speaker 2: I think if you gave James Franklin Dante More and
Speaker 2: Dan Lanning Drew Aller, they would have won the game.
Speaker 2: So I still think Franklin is a top of the class,
Speaker 2: not a top six, but somewhere seven to fifteen in
Speaker 2: a sport with one hundred and forty you know, FBS schools.
Speaker 2: Or if you lost faith in him after a game
Speaker 2: in which your a favorite at home, probably the better
Speaker 2: backfield and NFL quarterback prospect, where do you land on
Speaker 2: him today?
Speaker 1: I don't think any differently of him, But I treated
Speaker 1: the Oregon game way way bigger than I've ever treated
Speaker 1: a football game. And so I got to tell you
Speaker 1: a little backstory. You and I have apparently been singing
Speaker 1: out of the same hymnal as me mol would say
Speaker 1: about James Franklin, because he is very very good. Never
Speaker 1: used the word elite, never used the word great, just
Speaker 1: very very good, an eighth thrunger what we would call him,
Speaker 1: an eighth thrunger on a ten run ladder. So I remember,
Speaker 1: even in the spring. I've been up there a couple
Speaker 1: of times over the past few months. They never shied
Speaker 1: away from this concept that this year we're all in,
Speaker 1: kind of what Ohio State sounded like last year when
Speaker 1: I visited them in spring. We're all in. We're making
Speaker 1: no excuses or apologies about it. We're all in, all right.
Speaker 1: So every every external dynamic edge imaginable you have on
Speaker 1: that organ game. They got a travel cross country, you
Speaker 1: got the buye, you got the experienced roster, they got
Speaker 1: newness everywhere you should. You got a way more experienced
Speaker 1: than veteran coaching staff. So all of that winde out
Speaker 1: you finally got it in primetime. I just felt like
Speaker 1: it was such a referendum moment. It's such an inflection
Speaker 1: point in time in the James Franklin Penn State era.
Speaker 1: And I know, coming out of it, if you really
Speaker 1: want to just you know, shred the arguments. You could
Speaker 1: say it's just one game. It's just one conference game,
Speaker 1: they went to overtime. It's so much more than that.
Speaker 1: Anyone pretending otherwise it is just ignorant of Penn State
Speaker 1: football and ignorant of the situation. So I think a
Speaker 1: whole new timeline started the other night. I said this
Speaker 1: on the following night's show. It may sound hyperbolic, but
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious about it. I think a whole new
Speaker 1: timeline got started. Now here's what we cannot know yet.
Speaker 1: We can't know which flavor of timeline it is, because
Speaker 1: you could sell me on either of these things being
Speaker 1: the case in twenty twenty nine, and I could believe you,
Speaker 1: You could sell me number one, Franklin's no longer at
Speaker 1: Penn State because that organ game precipitated this really ugly
Speaker 1: slip down this slope where eventually neither wanted anything to
Speaker 1: do with the other. Maybe they just cut ties, maybe
Speaker 1: it got really contentious. But he's not there in a
Speaker 1: couple of years. I could see that. I could also
Speaker 1: see him believing everything that I'm saying and you're saying
Speaker 1: about that game that was the referendum game. This is
Speaker 1: where it's going to be the ultimate test of my
Speaker 1: way of doing things, the way I've built Penn State.
Speaker 1: And I think it was such a reminder that your best,
Speaker 1: given your current modus operandi, is not going to be
Speaker 1: good enough.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: That's the absolute peak of this version of you of
Speaker 1: Penn State football, and it got taken down by probably Oregon,
Speaker 1: not even close to ascending to what they will become.
Speaker 1: So I could see him driving home that night. I
Speaker 1: could see him waking up the next morning just it's
Speaker 1: just you and you in the bathroom mirror and saying
Speaker 1: to yourself, this is it. Several degrees of change are
Speaker 1: needed here here there rigid principles you've never bent on,
Speaker 1: you're willing to bend on. Now there's a third rail
Speaker 1: where he doesn't know to do any of that, and
Speaker 1: it just is what it is. I don't know where
Speaker 1: we're going with it, but I sense the same thing
Speaker 1: you did, even the portion of the fan base, Like
Speaker 1: I've got some Penn State folks on my staff who
Speaker 1: were the last holdouts who always sort of shouted down
Speaker 1: the radical portion of the fan base when they would
Speaker 1: criticize him. Fire James Franklin after a loss, and they
Speaker 1: they didn't get overly emotional, which is what I noticed.
Speaker 1: They were almost I don't know, they were apathetic afterwards,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of a shrug and well, we
Speaker 1: know he's never going to be bad enough to fire,
Speaker 1: but we were also resigned to the fact that this
Speaker 1: is this confirmation we're never going to see the mountaintop.
Speaker 2: When Kaylin de Bor got hired, Greg Byrne text me
Speaker 2: after a tweet I said, kind of thank me a
Speaker 2: little bit for the perspective I had, because after Kaylan
Speaker 2: beat George, I said, you know, the media, myself included
Speaker 2: in fans. Success is hard and it doesn't come as
Speaker 2: fast as we want, and so it's it's difficult and
Speaker 2: it gets people get worked up. And I'm like, Kaylin
Speaker 2: Debor was a hard hire. Dan Lanning's from the South,
Speaker 2: Dabbo Sweeney was popular. I mean, they're they're Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of potential hires post Saban. You
Speaker 2: could you could have argued they weren't going to get
Speaker 2: Sark because Texas money. But you could have gone after
Speaker 2: a Lane, a dabble, a Dan Lanning, and he didn't.
Speaker 2: He went and got a Midwest guy that was at
Speaker 2: Washington three thousand miles away, and it's easy to go, oh,
Speaker 2: he's got a great resume. The South is different, the
Speaker 2: intensity is different. Some Midwest Western people like Chip Kelly.
Speaker 2: One time when they were I think he was offered Florida.
Speaker 2: He's like, that's too much. I thought Philadelphia was rough,
Speaker 2: but it's too much for me. And Jim McElwain, who
Speaker 2: I knew from college, is like, yeah, this is different.
Speaker 2: I'm more West, Midwest guy, but I don't. People tend
Speaker 2: to think Josh. Everybody knows that if you're Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 2: and you go to the Chargers to replace Brandon Staley,
Speaker 2: you have to change the culture. It's a disaster. But
Speaker 2: people think it's easy when you go to Alabama and
Speaker 2: you'll replace save it. Well, you don't have to change
Speaker 2: the culture. Well, yes you do. You have to be
Speaker 2: authentic to yourself. You have to be author. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what I replaced Tony Corneiser. He was great. I
Speaker 2: still didn't do the same show Tony did, right, I
Speaker 2: did a different show, so I had there were elements
Speaker 2: of the show you have to change. You have to
Speaker 2: change certain things. And that's not a knock, It's just
Speaker 2: that's the reality is. I think Alabama was a tougher
Speaker 2: job than you think. The pressure is enormous. They were
Speaker 2: struggling in the NIL to play to go to the top,
Speaker 2: wrong with some Ohio states and Georgia's And when they
Speaker 2: won that game, I found myself rooting for Alabama on
Speaker 2: that first half. I was like, God, this is good coaching, Jesus,
Speaker 2: this is good play calling, this is this is as
Speaker 2: big a regular season when including say but in like
Speaker 2: five years, I thought it was so significant and they've
Speaker 2: beaten Georgia plenty of times. Did you feel it felt
Speaker 2: more like that, a more of a beyond just a
Speaker 2: win at Georgia, it felt like, Okay, this is the moment.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the biggest games for the
Speaker 1: program this decade. That goes back to Yes. I could
Speaker 1: not you cannot overstate the impact. I mean, think about
Speaker 1: where we are. We were talking about inflection point with
Speaker 1: James Franklin. Okay, different standard at Alabama. They've won their championships,
Speaker 1: but it was under the previous guy, new guy, you
Speaker 1: don't know really, and go into the alternate universe where
Speaker 1: they lose that game and they're coming out of Athens
Speaker 1: already a two loss team and you still got the
Speaker 1: rest of your conference schedule to go. You probably have
Speaker 1: four minimum losses staring you in the face, and what
Speaker 1: do you do. You mentioned Greg Byrn, buddy only I
Speaker 1: wish you could have seen his face walking off that
Speaker 1: field Saturday night. Greg Byrne was the most relieved person
Speaker 1: in the entire building. That's the athletic director at Alabama
Speaker 1: for those on familiar like because his reputations on the
Speaker 1: line with this higher as well. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: Greg Burns never doubted for a second that Kaylin de
Speaker 1: Boor is made of the right stuff. But you don't
Speaker 1: play one hundred and sixty two college football games. So
Speaker 1: it just comes down to these moments like these, these
Speaker 1: key third downs, and you know a sequence here and
Speaker 1: there that's going to determine whether you're a success or
Speaker 1: a failure that season. I got to tell you about
Speaker 1: Debor when he got there. I use the word ignorant.
Speaker 1: Ignorant is not lack of intelligence. Ignorance is sometimes you
Speaker 1: haven't experienced something. And I think he was maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit ignorant to what you're talking about, the true
Speaker 1: Southern football dynamic. Like I think he looked at it.
Speaker 1: And I know this because I talked to him about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just talked about winning principles, and he's right,
Speaker 1: the same stuff wins everywhere. It's just the surroundings, the
Speaker 1: externals are way different in the South than they are
Speaker 1: anywhere not named Ohio State based outside.
Speaker 2: I said that for years, Ohio State's and SEC team
Speaker 2: North that's the only one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he got thrown into that, and I just
Speaker 1: as much as you're try and wall yourself off from it,
Speaker 1: it's really impossible, you cannot wall yourself off from it.
Speaker 1: So I got to tell you now, people who have
Speaker 1: observed him from the outside may not see this. If
Speaker 1: you've been around Kaylan, or even if you're just like
Speaker 1: a fan of the program, you follow him closer. He
Speaker 1: since that Florida State game earlier this year, has been
Speaker 1: like the third verse of lose yourself, the part where
Speaker 1: it's just it's no more games. I've been cut. I'm
Speaker 1: bleeding all over the place. But I kind of get
Speaker 1: it now. I kind of understand, like you get thrown
Speaker 1: into the pot and it starts to boil, and it
Speaker 1: either consumes you or you adjust and then you thrive
Speaker 1: in that environment. That's what I wondered about him, because
Speaker 1: I knew this time was coming. It doesn't Saban didn't
Speaker 1: avoid it at Alabama, and he may be the greatest
Speaker 1: of all time. Urban didn't avoid it at Florida. No
Speaker 1: one avoids it. It's do you adapt to it and
Speaker 1: thrive in it? Because that's the one or two percent
Speaker 1: that are cut out to coach in the SEC in
Speaker 1: major college football. And I'm telling you, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like putting new keys in the ignition and it's kind
Speaker 1: of turned in him. And there's a lot of what
Speaker 1: we would call degaffness dgaf neis that he kind of
Speaker 1: has about himself that is very indicative of someone who
Speaker 1: is now adjusted and who is acclimated to their surroundings.
Speaker 1: And basically looked back and said, all right, game on,
Speaker 1: if this is how it works down here, game on.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the coaching job they did the other night, Buddy,
Speaker 1: that's an NFL coaching staff on that offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. I think got I mean, Ryan Grubb literally
Speaker 1: came there when it didn't work out in Seattle, but
Speaker 1: they they worked Georgia's defensive staff pretty thoroughly. And think
Speaker 1: about the sentence that just came out of my mouth,
Speaker 1: because you don't really say that about anyone. And so
Speaker 1: now you know their reward is they get to play
Speaker 1: Vandy this week. And what stood out to me the most,
Speaker 1: and I can't believe this is a sentence coming out
Speaker 1: of my mouth either, to just give you an idea
Speaker 1: of how that program's wired right now, off the field
Speaker 1: in Athens, huge win, and they're no more headed into
Speaker 1: the locker room than half the locker rooms talking about
Speaker 1: the Vandy game. Half of them are in the locker room,
Speaker 1: they're in Sanford Stadium. They're already looking ahead to the
Speaker 1: Vandy game. Because that was the cattle pride to their
Speaker 1: neck last year that they never fully recovered from. So
Speaker 1: as much as the public circle at Georgia game, they
Speaker 1: were already well aware before they left the building of
Speaker 1: what's next week, Diego Pavia coming in there next week,
Speaker 1: their super Bowl last year. All right, they come into
Speaker 1: our building, college game days going to be there. So
Speaker 1: it was an eye opener to me because I hadn't
Speaker 1: I hadn't been to a BAMA game this year in person,
Speaker 1: so I hadn't been around them in person. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that FSU game did something to them and it
Speaker 1: may end up being the biggest blessing they could ever
Speaker 1: suffer from, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I worked in Tampa for two years, I
Speaker 2: really learned because I love college football, but i'd grown
Speaker 2: up around Oregon. Washington was a great program, and I
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell was a photographer. He's still employee at at
Speaker 2: WTVT I think it is Channel thirteen, And we went
Speaker 2: to do a story on like Tuesday or Wednesday. Spurry
Speaker 2: Or was the coach of Florida, and we went down
Speaker 2: there and there were already fans parked in the parking.
Speaker 2: It was Wednesday, and I'm like, I go to Husky
Speaker 2: games like Friday night, maybe late Friday afternoon. You'd show
Speaker 2: up at Husky Stadium. They were there Wednesday, and they'd
Speaker 2: been there. I mean they had the they had their
Speaker 2: you know, they're cooking utensils out. They were sitting in
Speaker 2: the chairs playing you know, poker, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's different. And then the funny thing is i remember
Speaker 2: listening to Southern smaller market radio and I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: it is is March and that's all they're talking about.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you got it. It's you gotta live it.
Speaker 1: You have to have experienced it. Because the first job
Speaker 1: I ever got on air was fifteen eighty is wiol
Speaker 1: in Columbus, Georgia, and it's in the heart. It's right there. Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, FSU, Florida, Clemson,
Speaker 1: South Carolina. The most underrated market in the South. It's
Speaker 1: like market one pint thirty something in the country. But
Speaker 1: in the South, if you want to talk college football,
Speaker 1: it's great. And you could take a random Wednesday in June.
Speaker 1: NBA Finals could be going on, it doesn't matter. We're
Speaker 1: talking about the right side of the offensive line, not
Speaker 1: the one deep Colin. We're talking about rotational pieces over there,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about do we really think this juco
Speaker 1: kid from Pearl River, Mississippi is really going to be
Speaker 1: able to shine there? And it's just so intense you
Speaker 1: could back off, You can just shut up and let
Speaker 1: guys go for ten minutes, and they're as worst on
Speaker 1: it as they would be their own children and their
Speaker 1: own family and their own financial situation. It's really amazing
Speaker 2: The volume