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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff and I we had a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 2: We may slip in some Oregon, Penn State, and Ryder

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Speaker 2: Cup in about an hour. Yeah, let's start with the

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Speaker 2: big game of the day. Let's break down six or

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Speaker 2: seven big games, Chiefs thirty seven, Ravens twenty. They tacked

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Speaker 2: on a late touchdown. Lamar's now one in six against

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Speaker 2: Kansas City. They had a lot of defensive injuries, but

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Speaker 2: that's not the story. The story is Lamar. I mean,

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Speaker 2: to me, John, Kansas City is in his head. You know,

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Speaker 2: obviously when you're missing six defensive starters. I mean, Mahomes

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Speaker 2: four drives, four scores to start, like four touchdown passes.

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Speaker 2: He broke the all time record fastest quarterback to two

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty touchdowns, which we all knew he was

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Speaker 2: going to do. So the defense it doesn't help. But

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Speaker 2: I feel that Kansas City is in Lamar's head, do

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Steelers have been over the years and

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Speaker 3: now Kansas City. It's undebatable. I also think this, and listen,

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Speaker 3: he's a fantastic player in credible talent, but these last

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Speaker 3: two weeks he's led a pretty You talk a lot

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Speaker 3: about privileged lives at quarterback. On offense, like the real

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Speaker 3: sports starts when your tight end chatters his leg, your

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Speaker 3: right guard gets the dui, he gets suspended, and then

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Speaker 3: a wide receiver goes down. In the first series of

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Speaker 3: the game, It's like, then what do you do? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we've seen mahomes now for two years. But I'd say,

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Speaker 3: also look at Josh Allen. His defense has been average

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Speaker 3: at best over the years, Lamar, I would imagine his

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Speaker 3: worst defense was last year and by the end of

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Speaker 3: the year it was really good. Two years ago, they

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Speaker 3: had the number one defense in the league most of

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Speaker 3: his career because of the team he got drafted by. Right,

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Speaker 3: it's basically like defense U in football. The Baltimore Ravens, well,

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Speaker 3: what's going on right now? A bunch of injuries. Their

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Speaker 3: Yeah gone, Roquand gets hurt today. I mean, their defense

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Speaker 3: is just a shell of itself. It's like, okay, and

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Speaker 3: listen to the Ravens. How many times did they win games?

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Speaker 3: gotta have to win this game. The Lions are used

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Speaker 3: to that, thirty five thirty two, let's go the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's just he doesn't have to do that

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Speaker 3: they just scored another point. It's just it's a different

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you had two first half turnovers. I mean

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Speaker 2: has now seen him seven times. So in my take

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Speaker 2: now so many times. It's a very good and very

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Speaker 3: Well, because the last two weeks, you know, Dan Campbell

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Speaker 3: throughout the week of basically corralling him. Now again, he

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Speaker 3: And remember, for a long time, you know, DA's team

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Speaker 3: now stinks, but it was like when he didn't when

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Speaker 3: he was really really effective. Lamar had that stat going forever.

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Speaker 3: When the Ravens have more rushing attempts than pass attempts,

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Speaker 3: they're gonna be really dangerous. Why is that they up

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Speaker 3: Now we have and he's not the only culpert. Derek

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Speaker 2: Like you know, the.

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Speaker 3: Chiefs, you could tell it's like, Okay, they beat the Giants,

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Speaker 3: they win this game, they get right back into the mix.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll talk about the Chargers. They got a

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Speaker 3: You look at the Ravens and you go, could this

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Speaker 3: kind of be their year from hell? Like the forty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And to your point, I joke with jamac All Week,

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Speaker 2: not like Xavier Worthy is a one, but when you

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Speaker 2: damn good two. So he had a ton of targets,

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Speaker 2: But not every team that gets to the playoffs, it's Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: Not everybody's a great run team. What the run team

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Speaker 2: So I think they're gonna have to establish that. But

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Speaker 2: when I watched them today with Thornton, Juju Smith, Zavier Worthy,

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Speaker 2: if they get Rashi Rice Back, okay, now Thornton, now Worthy,

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Speaker 2: clear that he has a relationship with Mahomes and it's

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Speaker 3: One thing I wrote down is, you know, Taekwon Thornton

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Speaker 3: he has a touchdown in each of the last three weeks.

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Speaker 3: So you get Worthy back, you get this guy who

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Speaker 3: just do some dirty work over the middle of the field.

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Speaker 3: Their passing game looks a little bit better. Big picture,

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Speaker 3: this is why they win today. They're two and two.

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Speaker 3: You look at the rest of you know, the AFC,

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Speaker 3: You go, got it. I like their offense now again,

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Speaker 3: And I will say the same thing with his Chiefs

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Speaker 3: and coaches the offense. Yes, so I would be bullish

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Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's got a hole outside of Philadelphia, so

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Speaker 2: their defense is good. They have the best head coach

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Speaker 2: more than adequate, probably above average receiving corps superstar head

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Speaker 2: It's gonna take a while. They don't have a great

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what's happening with Joealt, but

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Speaker 2: Kelcey And it's just like anything else. When you've been

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Speaker 2: Like it's like Travis Kelsey's been around multiple surgeries. I

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I came out of it. And again, the injuries are

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Speaker 2: part of it. But I and I have defended Lamar forever.

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Speaker 2: He just say what you want about Josh Allen. He's

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Speaker 2: been highly effective against Belichick. Against the Chiefs, Josh Allen loses.

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Speaker 2: It's usually on the defense. I think it's totally in

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you gave the Chiefs Andy and

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't even hesitate and say, lamar right, the dad

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Speaker 3: Kansas City. But yeah, I mean, I think Kansas City

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Speaker 2: Now, Hampton o Mario Hampton had a couple of big runs.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Pittsburgh, I thought it was one of the

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Speaker 2: Aaron played the best game I think Aaron's played in

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Speaker 3: They had six sacks, They were all over WinCE and

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Speaker 2: And I think Pittsburgh's defense you have some older players.

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Speaker 3: I think their nature would never have been to do that,

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Speaker 3: pretty tough, physical team. It's not like they are soft

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Speaker 3: by any means, especially for you could look they kept

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Speaker 3: showing Flora Flores. Had to look like what is going on?

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Speaker 3: And listen, Sometimes you fly across these international games. What

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Speaker 3: Minnesota is playing back to back international games in two

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Speaker 3: different countries. You know that could really throw you off.

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Speaker 3: And I heard you talking about it last week on TV,

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Speaker 3: like you draft this guy really high. He misses all

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Speaker 3: season last year and now he's out for six or

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Speaker 3: seven games on the ankle. Like, let's let's call it

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Speaker 3: what it is. Sam Darnold's leading game winn he drives

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Speaker 3: kind of a disastrous situation. Well, John, it's early. We've

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Speaker 3: talked a lot about you don't get much time anymore,

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Speaker 3: it's a problem. And Carson Wentz is actually more impressive

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Speaker 2: First of all, you know, I'm a huge fan of

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton and bow Nicks, the combination. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: tonight twenty eight to three over Cincinnati, there's a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes left when I'm doing this, I just think

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Speaker 2: when you watch bow Nicks play with Sean Payton, bo

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Speaker 2: Nicks does so many little things well that nobody pays

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Speaker 2: attention to. Have you noticed when you watch bow Nixt tonight,

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Speaker 2: when his receivers or his backs are out in the flat,

487
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Speaker 2: that ball one hundred for one hundred times is right

488
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Speaker 2: out in front. They catch it moving forward. It is accurate,

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Speaker 2: It is on a line. It's not a loopy pass

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Speaker 2: where they have to wait for it. That's NFL quarterback play.

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Speaker 2: That's Tom Brady. The ability to get the ball out

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Speaker 2: quickly the receiver has the ball running. And I mean

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Speaker 2: between Mims and Franklin and Harvey and Courtland Sutton, they

494
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Speaker 2: just have a lot of guys who can run and

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Speaker 2: catch and bow Nix is athletic and he had a

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Speaker 2: bad pick tonight. But you know, people forget this. Go

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Speaker 2: look at the go Look at Drew Brees second ear

498
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Speaker 2: with Sean Payton, his interceptions went up. Sean Payton puts

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Speaker 2: a ton on his quarterbacks that that tonight they had

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Speaker 2: motion on thirty five percent of their plays. There is

501
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Speaker 2: no hand holding, there is no babysitting. You gotta be smart,

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Speaker 2: you gotta be focused. If you if you're if it's

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Speaker 2: important for you to be cool, if it's important for

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Speaker 2: you to look this way or that way, it's not

505
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Speaker 2: going to work. This is an adult offense for a smart, intense,

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Speaker 2: laser focus quarterback. Drew Brees is intense. He still is

507
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Speaker 2: bo Nicks. You don't see a lot of smiles during

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Speaker 2: the game. It's all business, and that's what Sean Payton

509
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Speaker 2: offense demands. I really like what they've done he and

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Speaker 2: the GM. I like what they've done with the offense.

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Speaker 2: You know, JK Dobbins was a late ad. Jk's excellent.

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Speaker 2: Troy Aikman talked about it tonight. When JK is healthy,

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Speaker 2: and you know there's guys in this league that can't

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Speaker 2: make it through a seventeen game schedule. But JK. Dobbins

515
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Speaker 2: is an excellent running back. He's got great instincts, really

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Speaker 2: nice vision his instincts. I always feel JK. Dobbins is

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Speaker 2: one of those running backs that's looking like eight to

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Speaker 2: ten yards ahead. He sets everything up really well. But

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Speaker 2: I really like watching Denver play the Colts game. You know,

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Speaker 2: on that final kick penalty, they should have won that game.

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Speaker 2: I think the roster is one of the four or

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Speaker 2: five best rosters in the league, and I think it

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Speaker 2: goes It may not be Philadelphia, but I think it's

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Speaker 2: in the Detroit, Kansas City, Buffalo, Green Bay class. I

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Speaker 2: think it's that good. The pass rush doesn't feel quite

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Speaker 2: as dominant now Cincinnati, you know, bad offensive line. The

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Speaker 2: Colt shut down the Broncos pass rush. But that's a

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Speaker 2: really good Colts offensive line. I think the Colts are

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Speaker 2: going to win that division. I think they may want

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Speaker 2: it going away. It's no shame in losing to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: That's a good team, but I like everything they do.

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Speaker 2: I just think Sean Payton, you know, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I find a lot of times, and the media does

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Speaker 2: this a lot Fans do it all the time. But

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Speaker 2: I don't hold the fans to a higher standard. I

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Speaker 2: hold the media to a higher standard. A lot of times,

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Speaker 2: the media, it's really pervasive. If they don't like a guy,

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Speaker 2: then they'll criticize him that they let their bias get

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Speaker 2: in the way. Sean Payton is better than ninety nine

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Speaker 2: percent of the coaches in this league, and he's got

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Speaker 2: a great eye for personnel, and a lot of coaches don't.

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid doesn't want to do personnel. Jimmy Johnson was legendary,

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Speaker 2: added Sean Payton's great with personnel. Jim Harbaugh's very good

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Speaker 2: with personnel, Shawn's excellent. I mean, look at these skill

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Speaker 2: get they don't miss on these guys. Franklin Troy Franklin

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Speaker 2: at a again, bo Nix's teammate feels like a number

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Speaker 2: three to me. There were four drop passes tonight. He

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Speaker 2: had one of them, but bon Nick still want twenty

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Speaker 2: nine to forty two for three hundred and twenty six yards.

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Speaker 2: So in that last touchdown out in the flat, they

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Speaker 2: just are always prepared. And again bon Nix throws the

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Speaker 2: ball down the field. It's not justin field's dink and dunk.

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Speaker 2: You know it's it is. It's a big boy offense.

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Speaker 2: They're throwing that ball down the field aggressively and you

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Speaker 2: get some interceptions. Lway throw him, Nama throw him. Brady

556
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: threw him, Peyton Manning threw him, Josh Allen threw him.

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Speaker 2: I like my quarterbacks throwing the ball aggressively down the field.

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Speaker 2: And I think bo Nix is not only a better

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Speaker 2: athlete than his draft preview, I think I think he's

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Speaker 2: got a better arm. I thought he had kind of

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Speaker 2: a Derek Carr arm in college. I think it's gotten stronger.

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Speaker 2: But I just like his temperament. There's just no bullshit

563
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: with Bonix, just laser focused. He can take to coaching.

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Speaker 2: He'll bark right back. It's all ball, all the time.

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Speaker 2: So I like Denver a lot. I think they cleaned

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Speaker 2: up some things tonight. Cincinnati's a mess, but again, if

567
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow played, they'd be a borderline playoff team, but

568
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Speaker 2: not a great team. Zach Taylor's fine. I don't think

569
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Speaker 2: he's necessarily special. I think he's fine as a coach.

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Speaker 2: I think the owner is the cheapest in the league.

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Speaker 2: I think the front office is mediocre. They don't have

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Speaker 2: a big scouting department, and I feel like Denver's got

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Speaker 2: now I think the richest owner in the sport first

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Speaker 2: or second. They're totally committed to Sean Payton in the

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Speaker 2: front office and the roster. So I think I think

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Speaker 2: Denver is on a short list of teams. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I look at their personnel. I think I think if

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Speaker 2: you look at their schedule. Now, you look at their schedule,

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Speaker 2: they got a lot of w's coming. And I talked

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Speaker 2: about this last week. Sean Payton's record in September and

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Speaker 2: his career is thirty and thirty. Now think about that.

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Speaker 2: Think how good Sean Payton all the success he's had,

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Speaker 2: his worst month easily easily October on he wins like

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Speaker 2: seventy five percent of his games is September. Why he

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Speaker 2: comes in massive playbook, a lot of motion, a lot

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Speaker 2: of sets, and he is demanding on his quarterbacks. And

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Speaker 2: what did you get in the first couple of weeks. Mistakes, penalties,

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Speaker 2: they just they just quite didn't have it all buttoned up.

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Speaker 2: Love what I see from Denver, Just love it. I

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Speaker 2: mean JK. Dobbins and Harvey Courtland Sutton who I think

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Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton's really good. I think he's a number one.

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Speaker 2: Got Franklin, Mims and Bonex. Great athlete. So a nice

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Speaker 2: win for Denver, a team I really really like. And

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Speaker 2: you know, Sean Payton can be a kurt and glib

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Speaker 2: for some people, but you know, I mean that's the reality.

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Speaker 2: Some people are smart and they've got strong opinions. You know,

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Speaker 2: people I found in my career people love strong opinions

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00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: only when they agree with him. And Sean Payton called

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Speaker 2: out Nathaniel he was right, and he called out Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: He was right. He called out the previous regime. He

601
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: was right. He was right across the board. You just

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Speaker 2: don't have You don't have to like how it sounds,

603
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Speaker 2: but you can't watch that offense and not see the

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00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: play design, the play calling. Bo Nix is a hit.

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Speaker 2: He just that kid just fires. You know him from

606
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Speaker 2: the Josh Py College Football Show. He's great. Comes on

607
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Speaker 2: the Herd volume as many times as we can get

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Speaker 2: him on. We're going to. I don't know if you've

609
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Speaker 2: been on the Herd yet. We'll get you on, I promise.

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Speaker 2: So I defended James Franklin for years. I was like, listen,

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Speaker 2: he's losing to Ohio State and Michigan. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: losing to the right people. I thought, you're a favorite.

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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of high end first round draft guys.

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Speaker 2: You gotta win that game. But it was funny because

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, I was watching. I don't go online

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Speaker 2: very much, especially to like fan boards, but I did.

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Speaker 2: I went to Penn State fan boards just to see

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Speaker 2: their reaction and then we want him out of here.

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Speaker 2: He's a bum. And my take is James Franklin is

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Speaker 2: kind of what I think most college football coaches are.

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Speaker 2: There's Kirby, there's Pete Carroll, there's Nick Saban, there's Urban Meyer.

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Speaker 2: I think Chris Peterson's one of those. There's Dabbo, there's

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Speaker 2: like in any industry, there's like one percent, and then

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Speaker 2: there's a bunch of guys that are almost as good

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Speaker 2: but may not recruit as well or they're not schematically

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Speaker 2: as good. And I think James Franklin's in that. And

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Speaker 2: I think if you gave James Franklin Dante More and

628
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Speaker 2: Dan Lanning Drew Aller, they would have won the game.

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Speaker 2: So I still think Franklin is a top of the class,

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Speaker 2: not a top six, but somewhere seven to fifteen in

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Speaker 2: a sport with one hundred and forty you know, FBS schools.

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Speaker 2: Or if you lost faith in him after a game

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Speaker 2: in which your a favorite at home, probably the better

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Speaker 2: backfield and NFL quarterback prospect, where do you land on

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Speaker 2: him today?

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Speaker 1: I don't think any differently of him, But I treated

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00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: the Oregon game way way bigger than I've ever treated

638
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: a football game. And so I got to tell you

639
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: a little backstory. You and I have apparently been singing

640
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: out of the same hymnal as me mol would say

641
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: about James Franklin, because he is very very good. Never

642
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: used the word elite, never used the word great, just

643
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: very very good, an eighth thrunger what we would call him,

644
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: an eighth thrunger on a ten run ladder. So I remember,

645
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: even in the spring. I've been up there a couple

646
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: of times over the past few months. They never shied

647
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: away from this concept that this year we're all in,

648
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: kind of what Ohio State sounded like last year when

649
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: I visited them in spring. We're all in. We're making

650
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: no excuses or apologies about it. We're all in, all right.

651
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: So every every external dynamic edge imaginable you have on

652
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: that organ game. They got a travel cross country, you

653
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: got the buye, you got the experienced roster, they got

654
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: newness everywhere you should. You got a way more experienced

655
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: than veteran coaching staff. So all of that winde out

656
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: you finally got it in primetime. I just felt like

657
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: it was such a referendum moment. It's such an inflection

658
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: point in time in the James Franklin Penn State era.

659
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: And I know, coming out of it, if you really

660
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: want to just you know, shred the arguments. You could

661
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: say it's just one game. It's just one conference game,

662
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: they went to overtime. It's so much more than that.

663
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: Anyone pretending otherwise it is just ignorant of Penn State

664
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: football and ignorant of the situation. So I think a

665
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: whole new timeline started the other night. I said this

666
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: on the following night's show. It may sound hyperbolic, but

667
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious about it. I think a whole new

668
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: timeline got started. Now here's what we cannot know yet.

669
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: We can't know which flavor of timeline it is, because

670
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: you could sell me on either of these things being

671
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: the case in twenty twenty nine, and I could believe you,

672
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: You could sell me number one, Franklin's no longer at

673
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: Penn State because that organ game precipitated this really ugly

674
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: slip down this slope where eventually neither wanted anything to

675
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: do with the other. Maybe they just cut ties, maybe

676
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: it got really contentious. But he's not there in a

677
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: couple of years. I could see that. I could also

678
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: see him believing everything that I'm saying and you're saying

679
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: about that game that was the referendum game. This is

680
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: where it's going to be the ultimate test of my

681
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: way of doing things, the way I've built Penn State.

682
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: And I think it was such a reminder that your best,

683
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: given your current modus operandi, is not going to be

684
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: good enough.

685
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: All right.

686
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: That's the absolute peak of this version of you of

687
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: Penn State football, and it got taken down by probably Oregon,

688
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: not even close to ascending to what they will become.

689
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: So I could see him driving home that night. I

690
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: could see him waking up the next morning just it's

691
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: just you and you in the bathroom mirror and saying

692
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: to yourself, this is it. Several degrees of change are

693
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: needed here here there rigid principles you've never bent on,

694
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: you're willing to bend on. Now there's a third rail

695
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: where he doesn't know to do any of that, and

696
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: it just is what it is. I don't know where

697
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: we're going with it, but I sense the same thing

698
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: you did, even the portion of the fan base, Like

699
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: I've got some Penn State folks on my staff who

700
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: were the last holdouts who always sort of shouted down

701
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: the radical portion of the fan base when they would

702
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: criticize him. Fire James Franklin after a loss, and they

703
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: they didn't get overly emotional, which is what I noticed.

704
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: They were almost I don't know, they were apathetic afterwards,

705
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: and it was kind of a shrug and well, we

706
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: know he's never going to be bad enough to fire,

707
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: but we were also resigned to the fact that this

708
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: is this confirmation we're never going to see the mountaintop.

709
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: When Kaylin de Bor got hired, Greg Byrne text me

710
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: after a tweet I said, kind of thank me a

711
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: little bit for the perspective I had, because after Kaylan

712
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: beat George, I said, you know, the media, myself included

713
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: in fans. Success is hard and it doesn't come as

714
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: fast as we want, and so it's it's difficult and

715
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: it gets people get worked up. And I'm like, Kaylin

716
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: Debor was a hard hire. Dan Lanning's from the South,

717
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 2: Dabbo Sweeney was popular. I mean, they're they're Lane Kiffin.

718
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: There were a lot of potential hires post Saban. You

719
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: could you could have argued they weren't going to get

720
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 2: Sark because Texas money. But you could have gone after

721
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 2: a Lane, a dabble, a Dan Lanning, and he didn't.

722
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: He went and got a Midwest guy that was at

723
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: Washington three thousand miles away, and it's easy to go, oh,

724
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: he's got a great resume. The South is different, the

725
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: intensity is different. Some Midwest Western people like Chip Kelly.

726
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: One time when they were I think he was offered Florida.

727
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: He's like, that's too much. I thought Philadelphia was rough,

728
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: but it's too much for me. And Jim McElwain, who

729
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: I knew from college, is like, yeah, this is different.

730
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: I'm more West, Midwest guy, but I don't. People tend

731
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: to think Josh. Everybody knows that if you're Jim Harbaugh

732
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: and you go to the Chargers to replace Brandon Staley,

733
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: you have to change the culture. It's a disaster. But

734
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: people think it's easy when you go to Alabama and

735
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: you'll replace save it. Well, you don't have to change

736
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: the culture. Well, yes you do. You have to be

737
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: authentic to yourself. You have to be author. It doesn't

738
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: matter what I replaced Tony Corneiser. He was great. I

739
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: still didn't do the same show Tony did, right, I

740
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: did a different show, so I had there were elements

741
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: of the show you have to change. You have to

742
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: change certain things. And that's not a knock, It's just

743
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: that's the reality is. I think Alabama was a tougher

744
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: job than you think. The pressure is enormous. They were

745
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: struggling in the NIL to play to go to the top,

746
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: wrong with some Ohio states and Georgia's And when they

747
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: won that game, I found myself rooting for Alabama on

748
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: that first half. I was like, God, this is good coaching, Jesus,

749
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: this is good play calling, this is this is as

750
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: big a regular season when including say but in like

751
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: five years, I thought it was so significant and they've

752
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: beaten Georgia plenty of times. Did you feel it felt

753
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: more like that, a more of a beyond just a

754
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: win at Georgia, it felt like, Okay, this is the moment.

755
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the biggest games for the

756
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: program this decade. That goes back to Yes. I could

757
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: not you cannot overstate the impact. I mean, think about

758
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: where we are. We were talking about inflection point with

759
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: James Franklin. Okay, different standard at Alabama. They've won their championships,

760
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: but it was under the previous guy, new guy, you

761
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: don't know really, and go into the alternate universe where

762
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: they lose that game and they're coming out of Athens

763
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: already a two loss team and you still got the

764
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: rest of your conference schedule to go. You probably have

765
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: four minimum losses staring you in the face, and what

766
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: do you do. You mentioned Greg Byrn, buddy only I

767
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: wish you could have seen his face walking off that

768
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: field Saturday night. Greg Byrne was the most relieved person

769
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: in the entire building. That's the athletic director at Alabama

770
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: for those on familiar like because his reputations on the

771
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: line with this higher as well. And the thing is,

772
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: Greg Burns never doubted for a second that Kaylin de

773
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: Boor is made of the right stuff. But you don't

774
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: play one hundred and sixty two college football games. So

775
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: it just comes down to these moments like these, these

776
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: key third downs, and you know a sequence here and

777
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: there that's going to determine whether you're a success or

778
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: a failure that season. I got to tell you about

779
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: Debor when he got there. I use the word ignorant.

780
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: Ignorant is not lack of intelligence. Ignorance is sometimes you

781
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: haven't experienced something. And I think he was maybe a

782
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: little bit ignorant to what you're talking about, the true

783
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: Southern football dynamic. Like I think he looked at it.

784
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: And I know this because I talked to him about it.

785
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he just talked about winning principles, and he's right,

786
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: the same stuff wins everywhere. It's just the surroundings, the

787
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: externals are way different in the South than they are

788
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: anywhere not named Ohio State based outside.

789
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: I said that for years, Ohio State's and SEC team

790
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: North that's the only one.

791
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he got thrown into that, and I just

792
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: as much as you're try and wall yourself off from it,

793
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: it's really impossible, you cannot wall yourself off from it.

794
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: So I got to tell you now, people who have

795
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: observed him from the outside may not see this. If

796
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: you've been around Kaylan, or even if you're just like

797
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: a fan of the program, you follow him closer. He

798
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: since that Florida State game earlier this year, has been

799
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: like the third verse of lose yourself, the part where

800
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: it's just it's no more games. I've been cut. I'm

801
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: bleeding all over the place. But I kind of get

802
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: it now. I kind of understand, like you get thrown

803
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: into the pot and it starts to boil, and it

804
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: either consumes you or you adjust and then you thrive

805
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: in that environment. That's what I wondered about him, because

806
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: I knew this time was coming. It doesn't Saban didn't

807
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: avoid it at Alabama, and he may be the greatest

808
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: of all time. Urban didn't avoid it at Florida. No

809
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: one avoids it. It's do you adapt to it and

810
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: thrive in it? Because that's the one or two percent

811
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: that are cut out to coach in the SEC in

812
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: major college football. And I'm telling you, it's like it's

813
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: like putting new keys in the ignition and it's kind

814
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: of turned in him. And there's a lot of what

815
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: we would call degaffness dgaf neis that he kind of

816
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: has about himself that is very indicative of someone who

817
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: is now adjusted and who is acclimated to their surroundings.

818
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: And basically looked back and said, all right, game on,

819
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: if this is how it works down here, game on.

820
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: You mentioned the coaching job they did the other night, Buddy,

821
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: that's an NFL coaching staff on that offensive side of

822
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: the ball. I think got I mean, Ryan Grubb literally

823
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: came there when it didn't work out in Seattle, but

824
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: they they worked Georgia's defensive staff pretty thoroughly. And think

825
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: about the sentence that just came out of my mouth,

826
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: because you don't really say that about anyone. And so

827
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: now you know their reward is they get to play

828
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: Vandy this week. And what stood out to me the most,

829
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: and I can't believe this is a sentence coming out

830
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: of my mouth either, to just give you an idea

831
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: of how that program's wired right now, off the field

832
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: in Athens, huge win, and they're no more headed into

833
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: the locker room than half the locker rooms talking about

834
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: the Vandy game. Half of them are in the locker room,

835
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: they're in Sanford Stadium. They're already looking ahead to the

836
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: Vandy game. Because that was the cattle pride to their

837
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: neck last year that they never fully recovered from. So

838
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: as much as the public circle at Georgia game, they

839
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: were already well aware before they left the building of

840
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: what's next week, Diego Pavia coming in there next week,

841
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: their super Bowl last year. All right, they come into

842
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: our building, college game days going to be there. So

843
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: it was an eye opener to me because I hadn't

844
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: I hadn't been to a BAMA game this year in person,

845
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: so I hadn't been around them in person. Yeah, I

846
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: think that FSU game did something to them and it

847
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 1: may end up being the biggest blessing they could ever

848
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: suffer from, if that makes any sense.

849
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I worked in Tampa for two years, I

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Speaker 2: really learned because I love college football, but i'd grown

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Speaker 2: up around Oregon. Washington was a great program, and I

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Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell was a photographer. He's still employee at at

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Speaker 2: WTVT I think it is Channel thirteen, And we went

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Speaker 2: to do a story on like Tuesday or Wednesday. Spurry

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Speaker 2: Or was the coach of Florida, and we went down

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Speaker 2: there and there were already fans parked in the parking.

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Speaker 2: It was Wednesday, and I'm like, I go to Husky

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Speaker 2: games like Friday night, maybe late Friday afternoon. You'd show

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Speaker 2: up at Husky Stadium. They were there Wednesday, and they'd

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Speaker 2: been there. I mean they had the they had their

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Speaker 2: you know, they're cooking utensils out. They were sitting in

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Speaker 2: the chairs playing you know, poker, and I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 2: that's different. And then the funny thing is i remember

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Speaker 2: listening to Southern smaller market radio and I'm like, bro,

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Speaker 2: it is is March and that's all they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you got it. It's you gotta live it.

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Speaker 1: You have to have experienced it. Because the first job

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Speaker 1: I ever got on air was fifteen eighty is wiol

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Speaker 1: in Columbus, Georgia, and it's in the heart. It's right there. Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, FSU, Florida, Clemson,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. The most underrated market in the South. It's

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Speaker 1: like market one pint thirty something in the country. But

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Speaker 1: in the South, if you want to talk college football,

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Speaker 1: it's great. And you could take a random Wednesday in June.

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals could be going on, it doesn't matter. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about the right side of the offensive line, not

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Speaker 1: the one deep Colin. We're talking about rotational pieces over there,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about do we really think this juco

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Speaker 1: kid from Pearl River, Mississippi is really going to be

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Speaker 1: able to shine there? And it's just so intense you

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Speaker 1: could back off, You can just shut up and let

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Speaker 1: guys go for ten minutes, and they're as worst on

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Speaker 1: it as they would be their own children and their

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Speaker 1: own family and their own financial situation. It's really amazing

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Speaker 2: The volume