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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live

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Speaker 1: presented by cores Light right here on Giants dot com.

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Speaker 1: I'm John schmilkis Pauled the Tino. First time I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: you since the Combine. Happy to be back and I'm

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Speaker 1: rejoined by the Tino here. Not a whole lot going on, folks,

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Speaker 1: is really boring in March? I thing's really going on?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, wait, we actually do have a big story

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Speaker 1: would have surprised me and Paul a fair amount. But

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Speaker 1: after talking to Dave Gettleman at the Combine, we kind

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Speaker 1: of saw the potential of this coming. The Giants declining

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Speaker 1: to put a tag whether a franchise or a transition

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Speaker 1: tag on Landing Collins yesterday before the four pm deadline,

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Speaker 1: Landing Collins put some tweets out there, Um, it was

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Speaker 1: great to be with the Giants and my time there.

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Speaker 1: This obviously does not preclude the Giants still signing him,

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Speaker 1: but based on Landing's tweets, you might think that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. But all that has happened officially is that

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Speaker 1: the Giants have decided not to tag Landon Collins and

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Speaker 1: Paul I think before we get into the regency are

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Speaker 1: I think both of us are a little bit surprised.

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Speaker 1: We thought once the season was over. You know, Landon

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Speaker 1: has been a good player for the Giants. He's been

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Speaker 1: a good teammate. He's been someone that, you know, I

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Speaker 1: like to call a quote unquote football player who loves

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Speaker 1: the game. And I think if you had told both

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Speaker 1: of us back on January second, that this would have

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Speaker 1: happened yesterday, they would not have tagged him and not

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Speaker 1: had a long term deal done, I think both of

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Speaker 1: us probably would have been a little bit surprised. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: A little bit surprised, is right. Um. I mean I

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Speaker 1: sit on the fan and on this show well over

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Speaker 1: a month ago that it's no lock that he will

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Speaker 1: be tagged. I'm not quite as surprised as most other

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Speaker 1: people are, um, because I was told that there were

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Speaker 1: a number of logical avenues that would lead them not

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Speaker 1: to tag him. So I'm not dropped head shocked, but

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Speaker 1: a little surprised, Yes, for sure. Well, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's surprise after a gentleman said to us last no

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Speaker 1: doubt that really enhanced it. Um, I think John, to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, if it was my way and

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Speaker 1: I'm not the GM, I probably would have tried to

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Speaker 1: get him an extension during the end of last season

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Speaker 1: and see if something reasonable in the right price in

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Speaker 1: ballpark could have been worked out. Maybe they did, who

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Speaker 1: knows once once that wasn't happening. Then I actually suggested

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Speaker 1: on the air as well, I wouldn't do the franchise tag.

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Speaker 1: I said, if anything, I would consider the transition tag

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Speaker 1: because it was cheaper. That was the other thing that

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Speaker 1: I had said. Yeah, the transition tags. Around nine million

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Speaker 1: of franchises are on the eleven, so the number amount

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Speaker 1: of cap space you would have tied up would be

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Speaker 1: about two million less, correct, and you would still have

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Speaker 1: a chance to match any contract, And that would have

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Speaker 1: to some degree alleviated some of the concern that Dave

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Speaker 1: Gettleman told us in Indianapolis. What he said, you tag

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Speaker 1: a guy, you have to put that money kind of

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Speaker 1: an scrow because it's pushed to the side and you

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Speaker 1: can't touch it. And and those are the two big issues.

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Speaker 1: And this is again This isn't Paul and Eyes explanation.

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Speaker 1: This is us trying to figure out why Dave did

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Speaker 1: it based on what he told us. Right. So, the

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Speaker 1: two things he mentioned to us was the one you

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Speaker 1: and you just mentioned, and that's cat considerations. The Giants,

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Speaker 1: he said it at the combine have around what twenty

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Speaker 1: seven million dollars of cast based something like that. That's

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Speaker 1: his words, not mine, So I'm not number correct. He said,

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Speaker 1: based on that, that's what the number we're working with.

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Speaker 1: that's a fair deception to work off of. Right. So

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to sign, you know, fill up thirty

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Speaker 1: elsewhere you have to save money for your draft class.

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Speaker 1: You want to save in his words, eight million or so,

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Speaker 1: I think there was a certainly very logical avenues to

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Speaker 1: very important to note that at the end of last season,

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Speaker 1: remember JPP was happy with the Tag. He was very

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Speaker 1: Right now. The thing with with Collins, he was very

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Speaker 1: to Well, now, if you're a Dave geentleman, and you're

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Speaker 1: um you know talk incredible numbers that are not even

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Speaker 1: the feeling that that's where this was going to lead to.

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Speaker 1: You can understand a little better why Dave tried to

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Speaker 1: avoid this entire issue. All right, Now, a few other

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Speaker 1: And I want to make this very clear. He was

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Speaker 1: the game all that he checks all those boxes, right, Paul.

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Speaker 1: So I want I want to make that abundantly clear

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Speaker 1: simply me. The reason I would have been more comfortable

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Speaker 1: And that's fine. He's great at what he does. But

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Speaker 1: How many thousands of times have I said that on

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Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman echoed that, in fact, it was funny. I

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Speaker 1: the money, and it just didn't work out. So I

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Speaker 1: understand that I'm confused because I'm down here in Philadelphia. UM,

429
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Speaker 1: and I must say I despise the Philadelphia Eagles, understand.

430
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Speaker 1: But one thing I respect about their organization is they

431
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Speaker 1: do what they have to do to make sure that

432
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Speaker 1: they bring back their core players. Just today, their restructured

433
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Speaker 1: Lane Johnson's contract and they opened up six point five

434
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Speaker 1: million dollars um Over the last couple of weeks. They

435
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Speaker 1: brought back Brandon Brandon Graham, Jason Kelsey Suamalo, which is

436
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Speaker 1: one of the guards, and they were a team that

437
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Speaker 1: that was projected to be over the cap going to

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Speaker 1: the all season. So my question is, and it's actually

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Speaker 1: a two part, two part question. My first question, My

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Speaker 1: first question is can you look at Emi and look

441
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Speaker 1: at OV, you look at ogle Tree and look at Jenkins.

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Speaker 1: Between those four guys, they take up about fifty to

443
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Speaker 1: sixty million dollars and the Cats. So I don't know

444
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Speaker 1: if you guys know the answer to this, But my

445
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: first question is, were any of these guys approached about

446
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Speaker 1: possibly restructuring their contracts the free up money, because I

447
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Speaker 1: look at the Eagles they went to market. I want

448
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Speaker 1: to make sure you understand, though, when you restructure these contracts,

449
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: that money doesn't disappear into the other It's not like

450
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Speaker 1: you make up you make up cap space this year,

451
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Speaker 1: and there's no downside to it. If you restructure those contracts,

452
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Speaker 1: you're pushing more guaranteed money into future seasons. So let's

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Speaker 1: say you want to let go of OV next year. Well,

454
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Speaker 1: that restructure just cost you more cap space next season.

455
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Speaker 1: And I think the way I see it at least,

456
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Speaker 1: and I'm not I don't know that the particulars of

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Speaker 1: the Eagles inner workings of their cap and and you know,

458
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Speaker 1: things of that nature. But the Eagles are much closer

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Speaker 1: to competing for a Super competing for a Super Bowl

460
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Speaker 1: than the Giants are, So they're in much more of

461
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Speaker 1: a win now type of mentality. So I understand from

462
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Speaker 1: their perspective, why you be willing to kick the can

463
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Speaker 1: down the road and punch the credit card a little

464
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Speaker 1: bit to help you win now because their window is today.

465
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Speaker 1: The Giants window isn't today. So my thought is that

466
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Speaker 1: Dave Getten will be more hesitant to do that sort

467
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Speaker 1: of thing. Though they did, by the way, restructure generous

468
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Speaker 1: Jenkins contract last year once already um, which he mentioned

469
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Speaker 1: um at the combine. So if you're gonna restructure ELI,

470
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Speaker 1: you have to give a contract extentially means more money

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Speaker 1: gets put in the next year. Same thing, Olivia Vernon. Basically,

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Speaker 1: when you restructure Marcus, you take base salary and you

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Speaker 1: turn it into signing bonus. So what that means, Let's say,

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Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon. I believe he has something where around sixteen

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Speaker 1: million of base salary next year. If you take let's

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Speaker 1: say ten million of that, you convert that base salary

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Speaker 1: into signing bonus, right, that means that what was a

478
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Speaker 1: ten million dollar you know hit for that base salary

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Speaker 1: this year becomes five million this year and then five

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Speaker 1: million next year. Or for your three years left on

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Speaker 1: his deal, it will be three million this year, three

482
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Speaker 1: million next year, and then three million the following year.

483
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Speaker 1: That money does not disappear that it's simply becomes guaranteed

484
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Speaker 1: money that goes on the cap in future years. So

485
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Speaker 1: as the Giants then try to add people in or one,

486
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Speaker 1: you're gonna look up and say, oh, man, why does

487
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Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon have eight millions of guaranteed money left on

488
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Speaker 1: his contract? Well, it's because you restructured him. Now, So

489
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Speaker 1: there is a downside, especially for a team like the

490
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Speaker 1: Giants who are in a rebuilding effort to kick the

491
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Speaker 1: can down the road. You know what I'm saying, I

492
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Speaker 1: got you, and thank you for explaining that to me,

493
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Speaker 1: because you actually um over my eyes because there were

494
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: some things that didn't understand with that, and you you

495
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Speaker 1: actually answer some of those questions for me, So thank

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Speaker 1: you for that. Um. My second question is, UM, and

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Speaker 1: I know, like a lot of a lot of fans,

498
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Speaker 1: we we've talked about Eli and but a lot of

499
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Speaker 1: people have been looked at a lot of those games

500
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: last year. Eli and that offense went off the field

501
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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter with the lead and the defense

502
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: couldn't stop teams. So it wasn't Eli fault, It wasn't

503
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Speaker 1: the offense fall for the defense fault. We all know

504
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Speaker 1: that we gotta address this defense. So my second question

505
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Speaker 1: is coming into the season, we already knew we needed

506
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Speaker 1: a free safety, maybe another cornerback, and definitely definitely at

507
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Speaker 1: least one pass rusher if Ov stays if he goes,

508
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Speaker 1: and definitely two pass rushers. Now we have to address this.

509
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Speaker 1: This this the strong safety position. So my question is

510
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Speaker 1: we didn't gain any funds so and Rome was the

511
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Speaker 1: build a day, so I know we can't address all

512
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: this stuff if it's all season, as well as addressing

513
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: a right tackle, right guard, and center Jerman Brown isn't

514
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Speaker 1: brought back. So my question is with the funds that

515
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Speaker 1: we have, do you see it possible with the draft

516
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Speaker 1: us hitting some of those spots on defense to at

517
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Speaker 1: least make us a team. You know, maybe we can

518
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Speaker 1: go from five wins and maybe seven wins or eight wins,

519
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, swing if if possible, do you see any

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Speaker 1: of those positions being filled with the funds that we have.

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Speaker 1: I will take that question off the air. Gentlemen, thank

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Speaker 1: you for taking my call, Thank you for giving us

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Speaker 1: all the information, and keep up, keep up the good work.

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Speaker 1: Thank you great. I appreciate the call. You know. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they need help at all three levels of defense. They

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Speaker 1: need guys in the front seven, and they also need

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Speaker 1: help in the secondary. Now let's go to John's example

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Speaker 1: from earlier in the show. Well, maybe we're all the

529
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Speaker 1: safeties that are out there on the free agent market,

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Speaker 1: they get one that is potentially less expensive than some

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Speaker 1: of the numbers on the high element or the high

532
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: district market. And as Joe Coy said, the safety market

533
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: until that every reed contract was really down last year.

534
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Speaker 1: Guys were signing for not a lot of money. So

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Speaker 1: let's say you sign a free safety for a second

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Speaker 1: or third tier price and you have Michael Thomas play

537
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Speaker 1: strong safety. Okay, and you've still got Chandler, the young

538
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Speaker 1: kid who came in last year from Temple played some

539
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Speaker 1: slot who quite honestly, they have some high hopes for him.

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00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 1: They liked this kid. They think the arrows up on him.

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Speaker 1: He played more than the last month of the season

542
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Speaker 1: John and they liked what they saw. So maybe maybe

543
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Speaker 1: with this reshuffling of their funds in their cap space,

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Speaker 1: they signed the free safety. And I'm not gonna name

545
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Speaker 1: names because you guys know who who's available on the shelf,

546
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Speaker 1: and it's just foolish to start talking about them because

547
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Speaker 1: I don't know what their price tags are. But let's

548
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Speaker 1: say they get a medium price free safety to pair

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Speaker 1: with Michael Thomas and Chandelers the third safety, and maybe

550
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Speaker 1: maybe Chandler, who knows. Maybe it beats out one of

551
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Speaker 1: the one of those guys, maybe beats out Michael Thomas

552
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: and Camp and maybe Chandlers the starting strong safety. I

553
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that right now. But with

554
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Speaker 1: the other Moneys that they did not have to commit

555
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: to that position, maybe they go out and they get

556
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Speaker 1: themselves on a third corner, or maybe they get themselves

557
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: an outside linebacker or a pass rusher or now pass

558
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: rusher is unlikely because you're gonna need more money to

559
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: get one of them, Well you will. You're well, you're

560
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: not gonna get a top guy like Trey Flatts, but

561
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Speaker 1: you might be able to get a lesser guy like

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing how much of things that Darius Smith is

563
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: gonna ge. I've been begging for that guy for like

564
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: five weeks. But I think he's gonna get a little

565
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: more than medium money, probably a little more to that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, is he going to get more than what

567
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: Land and franchise tag was gonna be. I would hope not.

568
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: I would hope. Would you rather have a good pass rusher?

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Speaker 1: You rather have a good strong safety, right have the

570
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Speaker 1: pass rusher. So anyway, that's that's the kind of thing

571
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: you're looking at. But on top of this, you see

572
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Speaker 1: they're still gonna have the number six pick in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Now let's go to what the college is said. The

574
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Speaker 1: Giants offense showed at the end of the year that

575
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: they could leave the field late in the fourth quarter

576
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: with the lead. So that's not the issue. So you

577
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: don't go draft at a quarterback at six. You go

578
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: drafting another pass rusher at six. So maybe if you

579
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Speaker 1: add the decent free safety, if you maybe add potentially

580
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: another medium range free agent on d and now you

581
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Speaker 1: draft a stud pass rusher at at six, I don't know.

582
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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of them that are gonna be there

583
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Speaker 1: at six. They're gonna have probably about four pass rushers

584
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Speaker 1: that they could choose from if they really want one. Sure,

585
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now your defense is a lot better. Overall.

586
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: You've digressed the bit at the one safety spot. But

587
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: overall your defense is better. It's just a matter of

588
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: how they end up using those funds. We don't know.

589
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: And that's something that let the plan on fold well,

590
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: knowing about nine days, right, Yeah, the thirteen is the

591
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: tampering day, right, the legal tampering you could start, yeah, exactly,

592
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: and then the fift I think is when it actually

593
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: starts with the fourteenth winners I gotta but anyway, well, well,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's Remember here's the other part, folks. That's

595
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: only the next part on the next phase. Because you

596
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: go through that first wave of free agency, then you

597
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: go through that second wave of free agent. If you're

598
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: not looking for the top guys, you're looking at the

599
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 1: second third wave, tokay, and then you're looking at the draft.

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00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: So there are multiple levels, multiple stages to the plan.

601
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: I know it. It hurts right now, folks, and you're

602
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: in the dark. But you know what, when Corporate America

603
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: plans out their strategic meeting for what they're gonna do

604
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: next year, they don't tell their competition what they're gonna do.

605
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: They don't tell the public what they're gonna do as

606
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: a corporation. They keep it close to the vest, and

607
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: everybody watches when the press release comes out and it

608
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: unfolds that, oh, they decided to buy up such and

609
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: such a company, they decided to invent a new wheel,

610
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: or whatever it is they decided to do. This football

611
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: team is no different than a company in Corporate America.

612
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: Five on three, Lloyd and Virginia's up next day, Lloyd, Hey, um,

613
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: I just wanted to tell you a pun. I'm not

614
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: happy about it at all, understand I don't I don't

615
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: know if you can give me a percentage chance on Um, well,

616
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: what the possibility of Landon still signing with US is.

617
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is he's a core young player.

618
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: It's twenty five years old, pro bowler, All Pro leader

619
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Speaker 1: in the locker room, and sometimes you don't just pay

620
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: for what they do. On the field xs and ows.

621
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Speaker 1: I know if that's If that was the case, then

622
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Speaker 1: Eli would have been going along time ago. Eli brings

623
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: so many more things to the table than um just

624
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: what he does on the field, and I know that

625
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: has to have a lot to do with why they

626
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Speaker 1: still having them places the quarterback here Lloyd, Lloyd, I

627
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: think that's very fair. I don't disagree with you, but

628
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Speaker 1: I'll say this too. The defensive backs room hasn't exactly

629
00:30:54,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: been a haven of stability and good locker and behavior

630
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years either. I'm not saying

631
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: this Landon's fault, but he isn't exactly kept that area

632
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: clean either. You know what I'm saying, UM, I understand

633
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: that he contributed to UM maybe some UM negative things

634
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: that were going on there, just by making comments that

635
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: he should have kept in the house. I wouldn't you

636
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: know what. I don't know what the details were and not.

637
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: Actually I'm sorry, were you saying something no, no no, no, no,

638
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: like no, UM, I was just saying, I agree with you,

639
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: and I know exactly what what you're talking about. Go ahead,

640
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, okay, UM. Here the the thing is for

641
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Speaker 1: me and Paul Um I I don't want you to

642
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: feel like I'm sliding your opinion on this, but um,

643
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: if you're gonna build, you have to you do have

644
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: to build a defense. But we haven't had a championship

645
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: level defense and quite some time when we when we

646
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: did have all the players that were on the field

647
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: of Dave Gentlemen either released or traded from DRC Andrew Adams.

648
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: He was a decent safety and I think he let

649
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: Champa Bay Buccaneers and interceptions last year. He is a

650
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: box safety. Hold on, hold on now, if you want

651
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: to go through these one at a time, that's okay.

652
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: He's a box safety. And at the time he would

653
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: have been playing behind Collins because he was really out

654
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: of position at free So so I understand it wasn't

655
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: a great scheme fit. Occuara was not a scheme fit

656
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: because when Betteck got ahold of him here, he wanted

657
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: to make him a stand up defensive end and even

658
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: a guy who would play some outline, outside linebacker and coverage.

659
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: So he goes to Detroit. They tell him, you're gonna

660
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: play with your hand in the dirt as a four

661
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: or three defensive end, and he winds up getting all

662
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: of his sacks except for one as a hand in

663
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: the dirt for three defensive end. So again, that was

664
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: a scheme fit. I happened to be a big Romeo

665
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: Acquara fan, but I know, based on what they were

666
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: doing with him here, he's better off in Detroit, and

667
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: Romeo and I communicated during the season, and he admitted

668
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: to me that what they were using, all they were

669
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: using him with the Lions was a better fit for

670
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: his skill. And by the way, Paul and I were

671
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: both surprised. We we both had him on our final

672
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: fifty three in the summers, so both of us were

673
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: surprised they let him go. But I understood why. I

674
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: get what you're saying. I'm just saying that for the

675
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: turnover that we had on defense and the talent that

676
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: those players had, you know, it was it was Da've

677
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: got him a decision to hire a defensive coordinator that

678
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: was running a three four four three hybrids. No, no,

679
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Pat Sho hired the defensive coordinator, not Davie and Lloyd.

680
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: Remember with those guys on the roster the two years prior,

681
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: were you happy with how the defense performed? Actually, I

682
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: understood how they performed, and it was really based on

683
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: us not being able to work the clock with the

684
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: ground gangs back to the offensive line. Lloyd, Lloyd, don't

685
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: make excuses for the defense. This thing't make it. It's

686
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: really not. I'm sorry. Two thousand Seventeen was a tough

687
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: year for this defense. Team was great, Sixteen was really good,

688
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: but seventeen they stunk. Let's be real about it. I

689
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: get that, but you're you're talking about, um, oh, two

690
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: years ago, seventeen, seventeen, and eighteen, the defense did not

691
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: hold up its under the bargain. Sixteen they were great,

692
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: they carried the team, but in seventeen they did not

693
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: hold out their end of the bargain. And remember, the

694
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: game is one of those what have you done for

695
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: me lately kind of deals, and the defense has not

696
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: done much for this team lately as a whole. Well, um,

697
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's just gonna sound like I'm

698
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: making excuses. All I can say is that, um, there's

699
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: a ton of players with talent that was on the defense.

700
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: They're gone now. And I can't blame the defense of

701
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: having the year that they have last year knowing that

702
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: that talent could still be here. And now we lose

703
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: another player. I don't know there's this. I don't know

704
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: who's going to be there at number six. But if

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00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: they take an defensive player, I don't think that at

706
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: least in their first year, they can have enough of

707
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: an impact to make it worth while. If we're keeping

708
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: Eli Manning for one more year and this is his

709
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: championship run, this defense is decimated and they're not going

710
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: to be able to hold up there into the bargain. No,

711
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: but see market, here's the thing, Lloyd. I'm sorry, I

712
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: don't think you look at this is oh this is

713
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: his championship run year. I I don't think that's what

714
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 1: this is. I think what the front office did and Lloyd,

715
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. I want to make sure I

716
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: get everybody else in there. We have a lot of

717
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: on the line appreciated good stuff. Um, Eli Manning is

718
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: the best option because of the other available things around

719
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: the league. Look, Dave get Leman said at he said,

720
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: straight up, the thing I want to do more than

721
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: anything is set up the Giants with their next franchise

722
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: quarterback to same were already of course he did. Paul

723
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: yes or no, didn't say that at the combine. He

724
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: wants to do it he knows he needs to find

725
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: Eli Manning's replacement, but he's not gonna force it correct

726
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, right now there aren't great options available. There

727
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: just aren't now of one of those guys, and Paul

728
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: doesn't like them. But if one of those guys fall

729
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: on your falls in your lap at six, do you

730
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: have the conversation? Absolutely? What I consider both those guys

731
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: at six. Absolutely, But there's a chance both guys are gone,

732
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: like I said before, So this is the continuation of

733
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: a transformation, called a rebuilding process, whatever you want to

734
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: call it, of this team getting out of their three

735
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: and thirteen hole, all right, and there one season out

736
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: of it, and they stole the ways to go. I

737
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 1: think the Capo Floyd's call a couple of things. Both

738
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: of us have already said we like Landon Collins and

739
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: we'd rather him be here. So we're not we're not

740
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: disputing your feelings on this, especially your emotions on it,

741
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: because he's a terrific giant, no question. We've made that clear,

742
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: at least I think we did in the first half

743
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: hour of the program. I tried to, but maybe that's

744
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: getting lost in translation somewhere. So that's number one number two.

745
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: I certainly didn't want to see d RC go away,

746
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: but that's how it worked out. He himself said that

747
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: they had offered a pay reduction. He didn't want to

748
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: take it. He wanted to go and say, okay, get

749
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: rid of me, and I'll go on the open market

750
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: and see what I can get. That was his choice.

751
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: And he did not exactly sign the right away either,

752
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: by the way, and he didn't make it much money

753
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: and then wound up retiring from the Raiders after half

754
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: a season. So how did that work out? I mean,

755
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: I would have been wrong because I wanted them to

756
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: keep on. He could barely play the forty snaps the

757
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: game in his last year here he was running out

758
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 1: of gas. Yeah, okay, So and and I'm sorry, guys,

759
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: I can't buy into the fact that Andrew Adams or

760
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: year everything would have been okay last year, all right,

761
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: relax Andrew Adams, relax. Nice player, but he's not an

762
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: impact guy. And and lastly, lastly, Lloyd, you said, are

763
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: they going to draft a guy at six? Defensively you

764
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: can have an impact to make a difference. Well, based

765
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: on what John and I found out at the Indie

766
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: in the combine if they've got a choice of maybe

767
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: four pass rushers at six, and they wanted those guys,

768
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: maybe two, three or all four of those guys could

769
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: be double digit sack guys in their rookie season. If

770
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: you like him, you know, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna.

771
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put a limit on what Ferrell or

772
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: Gary or or Sweat might do in their rookie season.

773
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: What what number did Quentin Nelson's What one number did

774
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson get picked out last year? Six or five?

775
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: With the I thought he was six with the What

776
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: happens if something weird happens and either Bosa, Josh Allen

777
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: or Quentin Williams gets pushed down to sex? Who I

778
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: think right now everyone think is the consensus top three

779
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: players in the draft, Arter Baso High or something like that.

780
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: What happens with one of those guys are sitting there

781
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: at sex. It's not impossible. Remember everyone thought Leonard Williams

782
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: was the top two pick three years ago. Jetson getting

783
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: about five or six right thought that was a steal, absolutely,

784
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: And that that's my point. You don't know who's going

785
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: to get pushed down now? Are they gonna be right

786
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: away as good of a football players Landon Collins is

787
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: heading into his fifth season. No, probably not. But you can't.

788
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: And this is the point I tried to make it

789
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the open You can't look at

790
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: this move and just look at the impact on this season.

791
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: This is a see the fest from the trees, big

792
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: picture philosophical move that the Giants were making here. Yes,

793
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: you can use that money and reassign it now, but again,

794
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: box safety, that's not the best in coverage. Do you

795
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: want to allocate that many resources to him, especially after

796
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: two straight years of not being able to finish the

797
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: season because of injuries that required surgery. You know, folks

798
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: were just trying to lay out all the facts on

799
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: the table. You can feel how you want to feel,

800
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: and please call up at the upset be mad. That's fine.

801
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: We welcome it and we feel as we feel as well.

802
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: But but you know, part of what we're doing is

803
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: simply looking at all of the facts, all of the

804
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: possibilities the entire spider web, and that's the only way

805
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: you can do this. If you just want to be

806
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: emotional about it, that's fine too, but understand that's short

807
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: changing the process. Dylan in New York is up next?

808
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: What's up, Dylan? How are you a good afternoons? Are

809
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: going up? Last night? I replied, I think it was

810
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: too one of John's tweets, and then Paul actually quoted mine. Um,

811
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: I was the one I've mentioned the the one of

812
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: the tags, not the franchise tag, but the other one. Yeah,

813
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: and um, the way I look at this situation and

814
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: I kind of looked at it in two different ways.

815
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: I looked at it obviously as a fan perspective, but

816
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: then I looked at it as a sport management student

817
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: as well. And obviously it's easy as a fan to

818
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: the upset with the decision, and based on his performances,

819
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: leadership ability and things of that nature, and just the

820
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: fact that John Timmon had a consistent safety I would

821
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: say maybe since Andra Roll and uh, I don't think

822
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: anybody beside Atlantic Allus has started back to the next

823
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: seasons at sixties and planting couns has been here. But um,

824
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: looking at it at a sport management standpoint, I actually

825
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: took some time yesterday and uh, I think a lot

826
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: of people forget that the Giants have twenty six free

827
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: agents that um, we're on the team last year and

828
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: the free agents this year. So you have to count

829
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: some of those players that our free agents this year,

830
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: whether you bring them back or not. I mean, that's

831
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: twenty six skies and uh, I'm just looking at some

832
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: of their like I kind of just went through and

833
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: I put kind of like my GM had on and

834
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: uh brought back who I thought should come back and

835
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: whatnot and um. And then what I did was I

836
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: also applied kind of like a franchise tag price to

837
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: landing couns, which was around like eleven million, So I

838
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: put that on there, and with without restructuring contracts, without

839
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: paying incentives anything like that, I had basically just a

840
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: little over three million left, which that that's obviously flee

841
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: not a lot to spend. That's not a whole lot

842
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: to be able to address in free agency. And a

843
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: lot of these guys I looked, I looked based off

844
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: through the contracts of last year, So some of them

845
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: were maybe just over a million, somewhere under a millions,

846
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: maybe eight hundred thou but two of the guys on there,

847
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, you have Rosas and you have Jamal Brown.

848
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: I think those guys would be kind of multi year

849
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: contracts that they signed them. So those do you have

850
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: to look into account for those two players too, and

851
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: how much they would make. Ross you don't have to

852
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: because he's still so young in the league. Yet you

853
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: could still do him on a one year deal because

854
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: of the way the free agent rules work. But Brown,

855
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: you would assume is going to have to wind up

856
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: being a multi year deal if you were able to

857
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: make something work with him, right, Yeah, And then then

858
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 1: you know, after I did all that, I thought really

859
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: deeply about it, um and you know, taking it out

860
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: of a fan perspective and looking at him more of

861
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: a support management perspective, it it made some sense to

862
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: me that they did. They didn't bring Landing Couns back,

863
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: And I mean, those are just kind of the it's

864
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: what happens in the NFL. You have to make some

865
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: of those hard decisions. I know, Gettleman's that general manager

866
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: that will make those decisions. I know he mentioned that

867
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: he'll make his decision not with his heart, but with

868
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: his head. And and it's just something that you've got

869
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: to be able to do. And I know, you know

870
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: a lot of fans forget to the years that we

871
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: had Jerry Reese in general in the management position. There's

872
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: still some turnover that we're dealing with right now from

873
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: the past years of management. So it's you know, scars,

874
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, the scars are still there. You know one

875
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: thing about Gettleman, and then I'll let you finish your statement.

876
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: Understand this. In Gentleman's career in the NFL, whether it

877
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: be as a personnel director, scout or as a general manager.

878
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: Remember he has been a part of seven different seasons

879
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: where his club went to a Super Bowl and has

880
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: three Super Bowl Championship rings. So I I honestly, I

881
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: can't question that resume. Look, I love the guy because

882
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: he's old school and I'm old school, and I've known

883
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: him for a long time, so we usually see things

884
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: eye to eye. So I'm a little bit a little

885
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: bit prejudiced in that regard, I suppose. But if you

886
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: just look at his blank resume, it's impeccable. I mean,

887
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: he has a very very accomplished resume and to suggest

888
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: that he would would not know on how to build

889
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: a championship caliber team would be foolish, right, absolutely, And

890
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: last thing I'll give you, guys, and then I'll take

891
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: the rest off the air. But you know, if it

892
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: were me. It's it's what I mentioned on Twitter. I

893
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: would have transitioned tank landing just to see what his

894
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: value was and to see if you can match that

895
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: and and and if you can't, if you can't match

896
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: it or whatever I mean, then that that's just the

897
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: way it is. But um, I just wanted to ask

898
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: you guys a question. I'll take it off the air,

899
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: but do you think this type of the way they

900
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: handled this with land and do you think it will

901
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: affect any any any part of the locker room with

902
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: some of the guys and how some of the players

903
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: are valued based on performance and leadership, because obviously Landon

904
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: was very good in both of those categories. But um,

905
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: I'll just leave you guys and then take off here.

906
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Thank you for the call, Don't I

907
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: appreciate it? No, Look, it all comes down to everyone's

908
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: individual financial situation, you know, guys. Look, it comes down

909
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: to the dollars and cents. I mean, that's just what

910
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: it does. It's a business, and these guys have every

911
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: right to try to get as much money as they want.

912
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: The giants have every right to make the best business

913
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: decision that they think is the right move for the Giants.

914
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes it works out for them to match. Sometimes it doesn't,

915
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: and that's how it goes becausiness. The only guys who

916
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: kind of get hit with a cold bucket of ice

917
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: water are the rookies who have never gone through the

918
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: business element of the game before. Once they see a

919
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: teammate get traded, or a teammate get cut, or a

920
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: teammate take a pay cut, or for that matter, a

921
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: teammate go and get a new bonus, big, a big contract.

922
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: Until a rookie comes in and actually experiences teammates going

923
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: through that stuff, they really are like, whoa, look at that.

924
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: It kind of takes them back a little bit. But

925
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: once they've been in the league for a year or

926
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: two and they realized this is the norm, this is

927
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: how the game works, then it's not that big a

928
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: deal anymore. Let me ask you this question real quick

929
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: and I'll get back to the calls. How much better

930
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: of a player do you think, say, Landon Collins is

931
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: an Adrian Amos. They're close, right, similar guys, they're certainly

932
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: on the same piece of land. But don't you believe

933
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: simply based on his one huge year where he was

934
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: drafted that you would have to pay Collins probably a

935
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: lot more than you would have to pay Amos to

936
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: have manuosity. Ask is going to be higher, correct, so

937
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: I think, And again I think that's where you get

938
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: to managing your assets and getting the most out of

939
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: every dollar you spend. So do you want to do

940
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: you want to even let's say Landon Collins is is

941
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: I'll throw random numbers. Is I'm gonna save you here? Okay, please,

942
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save you. Um, you're at home, you got

943
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: the Missus, and you guys need new cars. Well, you've

944
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: got enough money to buy a Jaguar. You could do

945
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: that and just shoot all your savings. Or maybe you

946
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: take a couple of steps down and say, you know what,

947
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: I like the Accura and oh, by the way, with

948
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: the leftover money, we could actually buy a second car

949
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: so each of us can have a car. Yeah, yeah,

950
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: I think that's a good way to put it. Or

951
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: do you know, do you go on and buy the

952
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: fifty dollar Italian dinner or you would rather go and

953
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: spend thirty dollars on an Italian dinner. It's still Italian.

954
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: It's not quite as good as a fifty dollar meal,

955
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: but then you know what, you got twenty bucks to

956
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: do something else with you get the wrong guy next

957
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: to you for that question. Paul spending two on five

958
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: on three, remind you that Big Book five is presented

959
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: by Corps Light. Download the Cores Light to win Amazing

960
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,319
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961
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: off season. Let's go up to Fordham, Paul's all old

962
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: stomping grounds on Rose Hill. Let's say hello to Jimmy. Jimmy,

963
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: what's up Jimmy? W V guy guy or no? No?

964
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: I was no. I was a football player, and uh

965
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: so I was the subject of a lot of you

966
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: guys at FEV, probably more criticisms than praise. With economics

967
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: made you believe it or not? What classes seventy two?

968
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: So I'm an old time with Paul. My goodness, I'm

969
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: class of eighty six. But hey, Rose Hill rocks baby

970
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: go hey, um listen, guys, Uh you know I've been

971
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: sitting here listening. First of all, before I thought John,

972
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity. I said it to Paul the

973
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: other day. Um, and now I got an opportunity to

974
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: say to you personally. Those shows last week were like

975
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: top of the charts. Thank you appreciated. Congratulations. So anyway,

976
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: the land in Collins thing, I'll try to be quick. Um,

977
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: I just got two quick points number one four of

978
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: fans out there. And this year I'm celebrating my six

979
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: year of my first Giant game. I was nine years old.

980
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: Uh in nine, we've had tickets in sixty two. So

981
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of I'm a little bit of a cynic.

982
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Welcome to the NFL. This is

983
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: what we happened. Is this. It is a harsh reality

984
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: of what this what this league is today. At the

985
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: end of the day, it all comes down to money

986
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: and and and how you manage, you know, and how

987
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: you manage that money and how you maximize it. And

988
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately feelings, feelings do not come into play.

989
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: That's the first thing. The second thing is is this

990
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: some of this reaction fans. I understand these guys in

991
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: the press who are who are basically accludes in the

992
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 1: Giants and incompetence in Mauthfeasance. One headline. You know, if

993
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: if the Giants had no intention of free free of

994
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: tagging Collins, they should have traded at the deadline, and

995
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: that all begins with the premise that we don't know

996
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: is true. I mean, how do we know that they

997
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: that that they had no intentions a Bag and Collins

998
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: five months prior to the fact. But see it, as

999
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: you guys talked about they probably maybe maybe they explored

1000
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: the options. They weren't happy with the offer, all right,

1001
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: So that's a part one, one point along the timeline.

1002
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: So now the brain trust re convenes again still during

1003
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: the season, and there might have been some discussions about

1004
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: about tagging him, and maybe, by the way, and maybe

1005
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: the tag was really seriously considered. And Jimmy, by the way, Jimmy, Jimmy,

1006
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: real quick, that's okay, real quick. If the Giants, let's

1007
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: say I want to put us in the time machine

1008
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: and put us back to the trade deadline back in

1009
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: the end of October beginning November, if the Giants turned

1010
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: around and trade Land and Colins for a third round pick,

1011
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: I would have people outside with torches and pitchforks. Okay, torches,

1012
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: your pitchforks, John, John, You're absolutely right. Look how they look,

1013
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: how they had one on fire with what we got

1014
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: for snacks exactly. So that's probably right. So let's say

1015
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: maybe they were in there saying, listen, if we can

1016
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: get a second round of form, we'll take it third

1017
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: round and no, and then we'll go back to the

1018
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: drawing board and we'll try to work our way through it.

1019
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: But the thing that people, uh in my estimation anyway,

1020
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: are only kind of glance given it a glancing blow

1021
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 1: is the fact that he then once again went out

1022
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: and got hurt. And then I think that changed the

1023
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: entire calculus when it came to evaluating evaluating him. I mean,

1024
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: do we give eleven million dollars to an injured guy?

1025
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: You know, if he doesn't like the franchise tag, he's

1026
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: not coming in. How do we know how the shoulders progressing?

1027
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: I had two shoulder surgeries. I mean, it is a

1028
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: it is a brutal rehab your shoulder, unlike the knee

1029
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: and some of the other things. Your shoulders, Oh my god,

1030
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: it's it's it's awful. And as and as you said, John,

1031
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: it's a position that throughout the league is really not

1032
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: highly valued. So if you got limited cat space, you're

1033
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: talking about eleven million dollars to a guy that that's

1034
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: been heard as as good of a player that he is.

1035
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: And I liked them. I mean again, at the end

1036
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: of the day, it comes back to money. And my

1037
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: last point before I'll let you guys go is I

1038
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think it's any coincidence that all

1039
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 1: these free a to see decisions are made right after

1040
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: they went to their annual car show and they saw

1041
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: they have a chance to look at all the new

1042
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: models that are coming out in two thousand and nineteen

1043
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: that don't have any scratches of bumps of dents in them,

1044
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: and so the so there's all these cheaper options that

1045
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: these people looked Frontanpal's looks at and says and I

1046
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: want wait a minute, eleven million dollars. We saw this

1047
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: kid and maybeouldn get him in the third round and

1048
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: he's pristine, there's nothing wrong with him. Boom. That's the league,

1049
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: it's PSL's it's the course to go into a game,

1050
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: it's it's everything else. We just have to accept it

1051
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, Um, you know,

1052
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: it's it's driven by money, is and I want to

1053
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: say exclusively, but boy, it's it's a major factor. So

1054
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: I'll get off my soapbox. And that's okay. One of

1055
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: the most important things he alluded to was the outside noise.

1056
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: And if there's one thing that coach Pat Shermore and

1057
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman have said repeatedly, John, we've heard them both

1058
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: out of the phrase, you have to ignore the outside noise.

1059
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: And and if you let that stuff impact what it

1060
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: is that you're going to do, you're asking for trouble. Invariably,

1061
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: it's going to cause a problem because guess what, the

1062
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: outside noise. They haven't invested the money, the time, the

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00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: manpower or the resources to investigate and to analyze and

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00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: to have the knowledge and the information that you have

1065
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: inside the building. They just don't how many safeties, Paul do.

1066
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: They have an average annual salary of more than ten

1067
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: million dollars last year. Last year eight six, that's it.

1068
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: And that includes LaMarcus Joyner who's a Phrasian this year,

1069
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: Devin mccordy, who's a free agent this year he made

1070
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: nine and a half. Or Old Thomas is a Phrasian

1071
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: this year he made ten. Eric Berry thirteen, Camp Chancellor twelve,

1072
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: Rashad Jones twelve, Camp Chancellor is finished. Right, Yes, yeah,

1073
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty safe to say. But my point

1074
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: is that it's not a position where teams have put

1075
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: a lot of resources. And I think it's pretty safe

1076
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: to say, and I'm not speaking for anybody upstairs. Uh,

1077
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: neither of the Giants starting safeties in September are going

1078
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: to be making double digits per year. Yeah, yeah, I

1079
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: think extremely Let's just let's just let's just put that

1080
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: out there now. Extremely fair. They're not going to spend

1081
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: that much money on the position. Greg and Virginia is

1082
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: up next. Hello, Greg, got a lot of new names today.

1083
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: I like it. What's up, buddy, Brian and Virginia. I'm sorry, Brian,

1084
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: go ahead, It's okay, Paul John. You know, those last

1085
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: two costs are very refreshing. But frankly, you know, we've

1086
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: become a very pessimistic fan basis. I mean, that's fans

1087
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: of Giants saying, you know, I'll give you a quote

1088
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: from the Bible. It says, where's the Mr. Principal thing?

1089
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: And what all that? I get and get understanding. There's

1090
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: been a lack of understanding on the part of the

1091
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: Giants outsiders. You know who's he's never coach, never played,

1092
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: They're not in the building. So for any Giant thing,

1093
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: the buying to the you know the rhetoric that being said,

1094
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: You know, shame on you. You know, every building you

1095
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: see built was first in the developmental stage. There's a

1096
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: process to everything. And you know you have to trust

1097
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: the guys are in the building. You know, you have

1098
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: to trust the pilot operating the plane, why because he's

1099
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: flown before. And you don't have to trust the guy

1100
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: operating the ship. Why because he's sail before. Gettleman has

1101
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: done it before. And Paul, you echoed a lot of

1102
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: those things about Gettleman's evaluation process and get and get

1103
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: him this track work. And I called him, yes, say

1104
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: and I echoed those same exact things. You know, you

1105
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: can't look at everything like you said in the vacuum.

1106
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: Business of football is much more complex than just what

1107
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: you see on the surface. And so you know and

1108
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: that and and and speaking about Landon Collins, you know

1109
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: Landon Collins was a solid safety. He was great when

1110
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: you bring him up to the line of scripment. You're

1111
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: great in the run, when the path coverage. He's a liability.

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00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: So the way the league is trained that you can't

1113
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: pay a safety eleven million dollars that cannot cover on

1114
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: passing down. You just can't do it. Um. You know.

1115
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: On top of that, you know some may said we

1116
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: overspend on eight folder, but in that in the position

1117
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: we're in not having a side of left tackle, and

1118
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: in the Eric Flower's experiment, we had to overspend that

1119
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: that position because you know, left tacles don't grow on trees,

1120
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, and you know what the giants are doing

1121
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: if they're continue in the process. You know, this is

1122
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: get Himan and sumer second tenure. You gotta give these

1123
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: guys time. And I subscribe to a lot of things

1124
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: that Paul says. You know, Paul, you you know, if

1125
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: you've been around a long time, Paul, and you've seen

1126
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: you've seen these guys come and go, and you you know,

1127
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: you have to trust what get Leiman is doing. He's

1128
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: been here, he's been there, and he's done that. You

1129
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: have to trust it. Look at the evaluation process just

1130
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season. You know, the

1131
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: guy that we brought in, Liga Penny, Like you can't

1132
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: discount the little moves that we make outside of the

1133
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: big free agency splashes and the big name guys. Think

1134
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: about guys like Elijah Penny. You know, Corey Coleman in

1135
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: the in specials you've got. You can't discount these things

1136
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: when the Giants when it comes to building this franchise.

1137
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: So um, you know, I just want to, you know,

1138
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: gavalize the fan base because it's I mean, it's depression.

1139
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: Listen to these guys sometimes and looking on Twitter and saying,

1140
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: come on, guys, like these guys are building and these

1141
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: guys in the building know how to build a franchise

1142
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: and you just have to trust the process. Thank you,

1143
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: Brian appreciated stuff. And by the way, just in terms

1144
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: of the pessimism, and I know this is probably will

1145
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: make fans upset. Paul, what's the Who's which is the

1146
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: last New York franchise to win a championship? I mean

1147
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: in all the four pro sports? Yeah, well well Giants.

1148
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: So it's not that bad. Oh okay, I wasn't change again.

1149
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: That was my point. He said, how pessimistic the fan

1150
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: base has become, and I was just pointing out, okay

1151
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: they are. And look when I'm I'm not trying to

1152
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: say the last five years have been fun, folks, I'm

1153
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: not telling you that it's been disappointing. That's why all

1154
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: the changes in the building were made, Like they were

1155
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: made last year. Not trying to argue that point, but

1156
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: forest from the treason, the one thing about they have

1157
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: got him at this point that he made and then

1158
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: I'll let you go. Paul. He does not care about

1159
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: making unpopular decisions. In fact, it's probably one of the

1160
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: things that cost him his job in Carolina because he

1161
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: ignores the noise. The outside noise is not part of

1162
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: his equation. It should have been. If it turns into

1163
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: success and it works, people love him. But if it fails,

1164
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: people are gonna hate him. And you know what, he

1165
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: could not care less. He does not give a hoot

1166
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: what people think. I'm gonna ask you a question. Okay,

1167
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: how many fans and how many writers have been a

1168
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: part of building seven teams that have gone to a

1169
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? No, that's true. But at the same time,

1170
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: we're here doing a call and shell fans should have

1171
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: their opinions that we're happy to take. They're allowed to

1172
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: have an opinion. And again I tell people all the time,

1173
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: it's okay to agree to disagree, and it's okay to

1174
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: be emotionally upset and say I wish that guy was here,

1175
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,959
Speaker 1: where I wish we had that player, where I wish

1176
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: we had that player where I wish we didn't let

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00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: this player get away. There's nothing on with that. Okay,

1178
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that at all. I I feel

1179
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: bad Landing College is gone. But do I at least

1180
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: understand what happened? And can I see the logic and

1181
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: how things kind of kind of cooked on the stove? Sure?

1182
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: And what you have to then do was say, boy,

1183
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. It was sad. It's stunk. I

1184
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: didn't like when they traded fran Tarkington. Okay, it killed

1185
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: me when the Giants traded Fran tarking Tent to the

1186
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: Vikings before the nineteen seventy two season and got norm

1187
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: sneaped back in the package. Even though we led the

1188
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: NFC in passing in seventy two and went to the

1189
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and the Giants right in six. I get it.

1190
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: But that trade also brought them back a number two

1191
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: draft choice, which later on turned into Brad van Pelt,

1192
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: who went to five straight Pro Bowls. They were actually

1193
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: better off with that trade in the long run, but

1194
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: when the trade was happened, when it happened, I was

1195
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: like Fran tarkingt then no, okay, it folks. You still

1196
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: have to understand and respect the people who know what

1197
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: they're doing and who are getting paid to do it.

1198
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: The problem is when the fans are emotional and upset,

1199
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: they want to feed into that. That does the media,

1200
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: and and then the folks who write about stuff just

1201
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: pour gasoline on the fire and feed into it because

1202
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: that's how they get attention to themselves. That's what happens. Jason,

1203
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: the Virginia is up next. Hey, Jason, Hey, guys, ever

1204
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: going good? Well? Jason, what's um? Just wanted to talk

1205
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: again about branding Colins thing again. I agree with everybody.

1206
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: No need to go jumping off a bridge, No need.

1207
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: Let's calm down, everybody, take it down a notch. Yes,

1208
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: we loved him. Yes, I think we can agree that

1209
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: almost all of us are very sad to see him go. Sure, However,

1210
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who's had two career ending

1211
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: surgeries in the euro and back to back seasons, and

1212
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: that's got to take a toll on his career longevity.

1213
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: Now by saying that his career is gonna be done

1214
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: by the time of his next contract ending, no, but

1215
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a factor in the long run, and

1216
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: before you can invest big money and something like that,

1217
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: you have to take that medical into into account. And

1218
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: I get you know, that may have been a concern.

1219
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: And we don't know what his current medical is the

1220
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: giants do. We don't, So you know, again he's off

1221
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: the gaff a little bit, folks. Everything's gonna be okay.

1222
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: At the other point, I want to make it, I

1223
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: don't think I've heard anybody say yet. I don't think

1224
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas did all that that of a job filling

1225
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: in in his absence last year. Yeah, he's he was

1226
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: pretty solid. And and again we could be paying Michael

1227
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: Thomas a we're paying or we could be paying Landon

1228
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: Collins p million a year. You know, again from an

1229
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: economic standpoint, is it really that they're gonna step back? Maybe?

1230
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: But is it one that apparently what we saw in

1231
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: the field last year is uh is not as bad

1232
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: as what it could be projected. I could see that,

1233
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: and having Michael Thomas go through a full training camp,

1234
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, to see what it is bringing it a

1235
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: young guy, to give him competition to he might just

1236
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: be able to step in and do the job. Am

1237
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: I saying he's gonna be in in Collins now, but

1238
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: could he do the job for a whole lot left

1239
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: for Land and Collins would be deservedly afting for I

1240
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: think so. So like again, John, great shows at the

1241
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: combine to taking my call and have a great thing again.

1242
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: It's coal again, it's production per dollar. That that's the

1243
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: time to use. It's like, it's production per dollar. That

1244
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. So I just came up with

1245
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: that fantasy. People go PPR, but John goes p p D.

1246
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: P p D production per dollar, that's good. What are

1247
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: you getting production per dollar? So that's that's what's what

1248
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: you're looking at. And if and if Michael Thomas winds

1249
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: up being the starting strong safety hypothetically and plays okay,

1250
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: Now he's not a guy that's gonna cover people either now, no, no,

1251
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: obviously not. But if he plays okay, well, then the

1252
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: p p D is actually going to be pretty favorable

1253
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: John and New Jersey's up next day. John, Hey, guys,

1254
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: thanks for taking the call. Big fan of the show,

1255
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: Thank you Blue Giants. I just want to call follow

1256
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: up on the first caller of the day and believe

1257
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: it was Marcus. He brought up bre structuring ov Oval

1258
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: Tree and Jenkins. I want to take it a step further.

1259
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: What if outright released these guys. I know it's a

1260
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: twenty million dollar cap hit, but at the same time,

1261
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: if you can restructure Eli and say knocked him down

1262
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: from twenty three to thirteen, and added to what you

1263
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: would say about the other three, you're talking about a

1264
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,479
Speaker 1: sixty two million dollar UH salary cap. At that point,

1265
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: do you guys think making those types of moves would

1266
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: be able to improve the defense? Based on what John

1267
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: you said earlier with the position values, UH, taking that

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Speaker 1: money and spreading it around the defense, because in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: those guys are overpaid at the at this point in

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Speaker 1: their careers. So I just wanted to know what your

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Speaker 1: thoughts were on that. Thank you, John, appreciate the past.

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Speaker 1: We got a roll you can listen off the year. Um.

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Speaker 1: The problem when you talk about and you mentioned my

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Speaker 1: previous amount positional value, Jenkins and OV play preview positions

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Speaker 1: and that's the thing, so so does the quarterback correct

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Speaker 1: So if you let Jenkins and ov go, the money

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Speaker 1: you save, you're just gonna have to spend and frankly,

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Speaker 1: you're probably have to spend more than what you save

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Speaker 1: to replace their production. At that position, again, you go

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Speaker 1: back to p p D production per dollar, where you're

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Speaker 1: going to have. You know, the net result is you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna save any money because the money you save,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna spend to replace their production. So I don't

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Speaker 1: think that makes sense. I think Ogletree, who does not

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Speaker 1: have a lot of dead money left on his cap,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a different conversation. And it's not a

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Speaker 1: position where it's considered a premium position in the league

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Speaker 1: like corner like like defensive end. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: different conversation. Um. And again I don't know what they're

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Speaker 1: gonna do with Jenkins and Vernon Paul, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know what they're thinking. This is simply us talking and

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Speaker 1: sure and giving our opinion. Um. But with Jenkins and

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Speaker 1: ov specifically, what you save is what you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to spend to replace them. So I could see that

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Speaker 1: going both ways. And that's what makes the safety spots

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Speaker 1: so different here, because in all likelihood they're going to

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Speaker 1: fill that spot with a much less expensive move and

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Speaker 1: and and I can fill it with a less expense.

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Speaker 1: It really makes the environment totally different. It's like apples

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Speaker 1: and oranges. It really is is a totally different deal.

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Speaker 1: And and again, folks, that's why every case has to

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Speaker 1: be looked at individually, and you have to literally separate

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Speaker 1: every strand of the spiderweb and say, Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: the question we have. This is the dilemma we have.

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Speaker 1: How do we make the move and how does it

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Speaker 1: affect every strand of the spider web around that particular item. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I promise I get anywhere to do it. I promise

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Speaker 1: I get to a tweet. I'll get to the rest

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Speaker 1: of them tomorrow because we have another shell. But Paul,

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Speaker 1: when I get to two here, because I think they

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Speaker 1: have good questions. Um, Paul, this is one. This is

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Speaker 1: from Anthony treg Lea. I think there are two options

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Speaker 1: for us. Either draft Haskins at six. I know you're

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Speaker 1: doing that. If not, you should trade back unless one

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Speaker 1: of Bosa or Quentin Williams falls because he considers them.

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Speaker 1: I guess the top players in the draft. Then don't

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Speaker 1: go nuts and free agent. Say roll into next year.

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Speaker 1: Since this team is still far away from competing for

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Speaker 1: a championship. Use Day three picks on trades or young players.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, blah blah blah. What do you think

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Speaker 1: about those two options right there? Well? Trading downs very interesting,

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Speaker 1: although we had someone tell us at the combine, I

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Speaker 1: forget was it Ledyard who said he felt that we're

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Speaker 1: only fourteen legitimate top level guys. I wouldn't trade out

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Speaker 1: of the top fifteen, you know. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to trade OWT to like twelve and I had and

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Speaker 1: I had a different scout not in the building, tell

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Speaker 1: me an indie, there were fifteen points and I think

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Speaker 1: I think that's around what you're looking at. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: if you do want to move down, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you want to go past that point. That was very

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Speaker 1: dangerous no matter what your plan is. Correct, Um, I'll

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Speaker 1: leave the rest for tomorrow. I don't want touch the

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Speaker 1: rest of them is we're already over Okay, cool um, everybody,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you calling in being part of the shell.

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Speaker 1: I hope we um gave you a chance to event

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Speaker 1: and also informed you a little bit on why the

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Speaker 1: Giants made the decision they did not to put that

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Speaker 1: franchise tag on Land and cons for Paul Latino on

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Speaker 1: John Schmilk. Next two days, it is me and met

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Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Core's Light. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow of noon. Hope everyone has a great

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Speaker 1: day