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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ and

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Speaker 1: Buck with you?

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Speaker 2: Buck?

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Speaker 1: What is up? Man?

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Speaker 2: Not too much? DJ?

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Speaker 3: Like crazy weekend for you. I took care of all

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Speaker 3: my broadcasting duties early in the week. East West Shrine

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Speaker 3: Bowl knocked that out. You were the man on stage

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Speaker 3: on Saturday. Shrine Bowl was great, u CD Rhett did

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Speaker 3: a really good job of passing on that stuff, and

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Speaker 3: it seemed like you guys had a lot of fun

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Speaker 3: watching some of the premiere talent doing their thing down Inmobile.

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Speaker 1: What was it like to call game indoors? By the way,

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Speaker 1: curious as somebody who was thirty five mile wins when

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Speaker 1: I was twenty degrees out? Curious? Was that nice talking

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Speaker 1: to keep nice? And wink?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it it was nice inside, but

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Speaker 3: I would say that it was miserable on the outside

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Speaker 3: which is atypical, but everything in Dallas was snowed in.

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Speaker 2: But it was not.

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Speaker 3: It was a different hustle it was a different hustle,

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Speaker 3: but it was fun. You know, all star games are

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Speaker 3: fun for a few different reasons. One, you get the

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Speaker 3: chance to see talent. But for us these days, this

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Speaker 3: is the only time where you really get a chance

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Speaker 2: And now the way the combine is going, where people

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Speaker 2: aren't sending all.

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Speaker 3: Of the scouts like sometimes this is the only time

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Speaker 2: They have those meaningful conversations on the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is kind of looked those many conventions that

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Speaker 1: these all star games in the combine, but they aren't

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Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing. You get the tape, you can

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Speaker 1: I really think, and we'll get into some of the

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Speaker 1: players we like from these games here in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But I do think what came out of covid Buck,

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Speaker 1: from the ability to visit with players as often as

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Speaker 1: you can now via zoom, is one of the great

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Speaker 1: game changers in the scouting calendar, in the scouting process,

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Speaker 1: that access directly to players to see them, to show

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Speaker 1: watching plays together like that is an incredible, incredible tool.

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Speaker 3: Yes, incredible tool, and it's one of the things that

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Speaker 3: people should take advantage of.

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Speaker 2: Because we talked about a DJ before.

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Speaker 3: When we were talking to prospects, it was whatever encounter

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Speaker 3: So you're talking about making million dollar decisions on less

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Speaker 3: The zooms and the virtual stuff actually allows you to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it's yeah, anytime he can be around him,

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Speaker 1: incredibly valuable. To say the least all right, Buck, it's

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Speaker 1: time for Hot or Not, brought to you by with

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Speaker 1: Sabi Hot Cloud Storage. And for Hot or Not this week,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about some of these players that helped himselves

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Speaker 1: had good weeks at the All Star Games. Why don't

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny DJ, because like a lot of

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Speaker 1: But I do give you boonenus points four playing. So

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Speaker 1: I think Zion Young going all the way through the year,

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Speaker 3: So we're not supposed to do it right because it's

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Speaker 2: World is do they love it? I really loved the game.

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Speaker 3: They can they exist without it? This is yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is the thing that people using. And so when

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Speaker 3: we're separating clusters the cluster Buster, it is going to

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Speaker 3: be a conversation about, hey man, this guy went did everything,

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Speaker 3: That might be enough to put him over top of

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Speaker 1: I want to get through a couple more guys here.

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Speaker 1: Some other addressers were excellent.

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Speaker 1: It was a really impressive week by that group as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because in doing him, because he was

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Speaker 1: come back? I want to hit on a couple of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for him. I had a chance to

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Speaker 3: to Kati Williams second third. You're like trying to make it,

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Speaker 3: trying to make you go, what does this look like?

440
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Speaker 2: All right?

441
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Speaker 1: I want to see if you're on the same page

442
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Speaker 1: as me on this, because I've thought about this a

443
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Speaker 1: lot with Matt Ryan and his role. You see it

444
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 1: around Tony Bisselli with the Jags, I know, and there's

445
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Speaker 1: some people saying with these and I guess they're not

446
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Speaker 1: going to get a draft pick with Ian getting that

447
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Speaker 1: job because they're saying Matt Ryan is the key decision

448
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Speaker 1: maker if I read that correctly. So there's been a

449
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Speaker 1: discussion of like, ah, are these jobs good jobs? Because

450
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Speaker 1: you don't have you know, there's another layer between you

451
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Speaker 1: and the owner.

452
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Speaker 2: Buck.

453
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Speaker 1: I think every team should do this. If I was

454
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Speaker 1: going to be a general manager, I would want that

455
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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan Tony Boselli layer because guess what that is.

456
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Speaker 1: That is a buffer with the owner. I'm not having

457
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Speaker 1: to spend my time because the old line used to

458
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Speaker 1: be the most important job of the general manager is

459
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Speaker 1: to have a good relationship with the owner because you

460
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Speaker 1: will be able to overcome poor results if you have

461
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Speaker 1: a great relationship with your owner, and he'll be more forgiving.

462
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Speaker 1: So you have general managers, you know, some places, in

463
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Speaker 1: some organizations, with some owners, we've had to take away

464
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Speaker 1: from the task at hand of constructing and maintaining and

465
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Speaker 1: building a winning roster with having to placate owner issues

466
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Speaker 1: and having to you know, massage different things with him

467
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Speaker 1: and make sure you're constantly investing in that relationship and

468
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Speaker 1: keeping him happy and informed. Well, now you have a

469
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Speaker 1: conduit there to him. You have a translator who the

470
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Speaker 1: owner already implicitly trusts. He's not in any danger of

471
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Speaker 1: getting fired. Like Matt Ryan is Golden Atlanta, Tony Boselli's

472
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Speaker 1: Golden Jacksonville. The owners trust them. So now I'm speaking

473
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Speaker 1: to a football person instead of to the owner. I'm

474
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Speaker 1: kind of working through him as a translator who now

475
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Speaker 1: can calm the owner down and can handle that side

476
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Speaker 1: of it. And guess what, I get to spend all

477
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Speaker 1: my time, you know, working on making sure we're getting

478
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Speaker 1: the contracts done we need to get done, on making

479
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Speaker 1: sure that we're adding roster to our roster. I'm spending

480
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Speaker 1: more time with our coaches to make sure that they're

481
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Speaker 1: taken care of. To me, you're doing football stuff like

482
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Speaker 1: that's going to take some of the non football stuff

483
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Speaker 1: off your plate. I think it's a good thing. I

484
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Speaker 1: think you should want to have somebody in that role.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you should.

486
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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna come at it from a former player

487
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Speaker 3: standpoint because the common denominated between Matt Ryan and Toni

488
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Speaker 3: Bisselli they were longtime members of the respective organization and

489
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Speaker 3: when you really ask them what the responsibility is like, yeah,

490
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Speaker 3: it's making the football decisions, but it's understanding the culture

491
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Speaker 3: of the program.

492
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Speaker 2: And because they both have been successful with those programs,

493
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Speaker 2: they understand what it took to achieve success and sustaining success.

494
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Speaker 2: So to me is.

495
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Speaker 3: They're able to maintain division, and so they can keep

496
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Speaker 3: the general manager from kind of veering off the road

497
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Speaker 3: too far.

498
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is what we do with the Falcons.

499
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Speaker 2: This is what it is. Now. It's a little different

500
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Speaker 2: because Ian.

501
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Speaker 3: Grew up in that greater Atlanta area, so he kind

502
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Speaker 3: of knows the Falcons and knows what it is. But

503
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Speaker 3: for Matt Ryan and for Tone, they inherently know what

504
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 3: that building is like, they know what the team is like,

505
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 3: and they've been on the team the owner when it

506
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Speaker 3: was at his best.

507
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's easy for the owner to have.

508
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Speaker 3: The conversation and to go back and forth with like, hey,

509
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: here's where we're at, this is where we're trying to go,

510
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Speaker 3: this is what to me.

511
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Speaker 2: It does make it a lot easier.

512
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Speaker 3: And I think for those people being involved but not

513
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Speaker 3: necessarily being the a I'm picking the players understanding their

514
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Speaker 3: own blind spots and allowing the general manager to do

515
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Speaker 3: what they're trained to do. Yeah, I think it's a

516
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Speaker 3: win win, And I believe because of the copycat league,

517
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: they're going to be more teams that kind of operating

518
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Speaker 3: to like this.

519
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Speaker 2: They're going to be more.

520
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Speaker 1: Teams they can provide direction, like you said, like kind

521
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Speaker 1: of the bigger picture vision so that that direction, they

522
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Speaker 1: can be a great sounding board. Like shoot, I mean,

523
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Speaker 1: I want Matt Ryan watching quarterbacks with me every year

524
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Speaker 1: and receivers and letting me know his thoughts on that

525
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: as his perspective is a great player, Tony watching the

526
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Speaker 1: offensive defensive line. Mind, I mean, he'd be great to

527
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Speaker 1: have on and those discussions. But not trying to be

528
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: the decision maker so to speak, but being a visionary

529
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Speaker 1: and being a sounding board. It's very, very valuable. And

530
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Speaker 1: to me, I just think it's safe. You should you

531
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Speaker 1: should want to have that and having that longstanding you know,

532
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, knowledge of the city, the organization, the owner.

533
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Speaker 3: Think Detroit, Chris Filman and Detroit like you know, you

534
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like, So, we've seen this model

535
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Speaker 3: work successfully a few different times and as it continues

536
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 3: to look if Atlanta hits this year, you can see

537
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: more people say, hey, man, who's a long time person

538
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: that kind of gets it. Who has the savvy to

539
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 3: navigate all the rooms, not only from the football room,

540
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Speaker 3: but the business room and to do some of the

541
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Speaker 3: other things that it will prevent the GM from having

542
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Speaker 3: to do it. Yeah, it's it's a smart thing to

543
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Speaker 3: be able to do, and it keeps the train on

544
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Speaker 3: the truck. I mean, let's be honest too, like scouts

545
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: that growing to be gms for forever, in the personnel community,

546
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 3: there's been a negative there's been a negative.

547
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Speaker 1: Reputation of the president's role because it's always been viewed

548
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: as it's not it's a half of a business person

549
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: who thinks they're a football guy who has the power

550
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Speaker 1: to hire and fire you because he has the ear

551
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: of the owner, but he doesn't really know football, so

552
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: and he's never going to get fired. Like that's everybody

553
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: wants to be Nobody wants to be the GM. I

554
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: wants to be the president because then you can just

555
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: hire and fire coaches. You're you're in a protected layer.

556
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Speaker 1: So I think having that person in that chair who

557
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Speaker 1: is a you know, Hall of Fame level player or

558
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Speaker 1: at least one of the greatest players in the history

559
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Speaker 1: of your franchise, Like, I think they would prefer to

560
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Speaker 1: have that type of a person in the president's role

561
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Speaker 1: versus maybe maybe a more business oriented person in that role.

562
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, and I think there's something

563
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Speaker 3: to that, and you're right, like DG, there there is

564
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Speaker 3: this thing that longtime scouts can have when the higher

565
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: ups aren't perceived to be football people either, they didn't

566
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Speaker 3: come through the ranks the person that are ranks, they

567
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: didn't come off the field, and so you kind of

568
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 3: look at them differently.

569
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Speaker 2: Whereas when you have someone who.

570
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Speaker 3: Has kind of shared experiences in terms of being intimately

571
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: involved with the game, it eliminates some of that friction

572
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: that can happen between higher ups.

573
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Speaker 1: How about a couple coaching hires here as we wind

574
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Speaker 1: down a little bit, I don't think we had a

575
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: chance to talk about a couple of these. I don't

576
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Speaker 1: think we had a chance to talk about Cleveland with

577
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Speaker 1: Todd Monkin and I I don't think we had a

578
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: chance to talk about the Buffalo situation either. So what's

579
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: your think on Joe Brady as well?

580
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Speaker 2: So the Joe Brady thing both things.

581
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Speaker 3: I think what we've talked about Joe Brady is the

582
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: relationship with the quarterback. Now, the hard thing for Joe

583
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 3: Brady is going to be able to establish those boundaries

584
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: between being Josh Allen's former coach and buddy and being

585
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: the head coach of the entire team.

586
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Speaker 2: That is a big thing that he has to work through.

587
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Speaker 2: But I like what I've heard him say.

588
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 3: He talked about the CEO of the team while also

589
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: retaining play calling duties, making sure that he's the head

590
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: coach of the entire team and not just worrying about

591
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: the offense. The hires that he makes, like Jim Lennard

592
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: coming over being the defensive coordinator, former player there, understands

593
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 3: the building in Buffalo, had a lot of success as

594
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: a coordinator at Wisconsin, was the interim head coach at Wisconsin.

595
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: That should work, to me is just surrounding him with

596
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: enough people where he can grow into the position while

597
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 3: dealing with these supersized expectations that they're going to have

598
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: for Buffalo. Not an easy job, but one that he

599
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: can get himself ready for because the quarterback is on

600
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: board and the coaches that he's hired are prepared for

601
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: because Pete Carroll Carmichael coming over is also another big

602
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: gift for him.

603
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's helpful from a draft free agency standpoint,

604
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: You're not having to get up to speed on what

605
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: he's going to want, you know, from a roster standpoint,

606
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: not just offensively, Look, you practice against that defense, you know,

607
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: all through training camp and he's he's around that team.

608
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: He knows what they need on defense and where they're

609
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: where they can be exploited. So I think that helps,

610
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: you know, from our side of the aisle, you know,

611
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: on the personnel side, for Brandon Bean to know, Okay,

612
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: we have a pretty clear direction of where we need

613
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: to go and what we need to do here coming

614
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: up and free agencye in the draft.

615
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a big part of it, and they

616
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 3: have to get it right. There's a lot of pressure

617
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 3: on them, but they can't deviate from the plan in

618
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 3: terms of upgrading the roster to make the quarterback not

619
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: only comfortable, but to make sure that the defensive side

620
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: of the ball can compliment what they have on offense,

621
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: one of the best offenses in the league. Brandon Bean

622
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 3: comfortable in his role, understands the task at hand.

623
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Speaker 2: You got a new bee in the quarterback.

624
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: But I think the support around him, because there's been

625
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 3: so much stability in the front office in particular, they

626
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 3: can help him kind of accelerate his growth and development

627
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: as the leader.

628
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to see and you know, can they

629
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: can they build this thing up around Josh Allen, get

630
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: him over the hump, not man. I didn't love seeing

631
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: him in a boot with the foot injury. But long

632
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: time here before we get the training camp. Hopefully he's

633
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: one hundred percent.

634
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: Ready to go.

635
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 1: Hopefully does the impact his golf gam I've gone on

636
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: a little a journey of following Josh Allen's golf content

637
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: in the off season. Little Bob does sports with him,

638
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: I've seen him. I watched a full It was like

639
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: I felt like I was cheating instead of like paying

640
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: for a golf lesson. There was a thing and I

641
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: think it was with maybe titleist Josh Allen did a

642
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: full hour and a half golf lesson where they're going

643
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: through his swing and had him connected to all the

644
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: motion sensors and so I was like, oh this, I'm

645
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: just going to pretend like I'm Josh Allen kind of

646
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: take notes. Oh okay, yeah, I kind of have that

647
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: same issue. So I was I was using him to

648
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: help my golf swing. So hopefully he's of course, j

649
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: Josh didn't even know he's helping me, try to help

650
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: me become a better golfer.

651
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: Josh Allen is your golf muse. Okay, yeah, yeah he is.

652
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: He takes it does. He's such an insane athlete, like

653
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: you just see, like he gets coached and then hey,

654
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: just try this, and then he executes it the first

655
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: the first time, he's freak. But the other one there,

656
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: Todd Monkin, what do you think interesting?

657
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: Right?

658
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: Because I'm be honest with you, Like when Todd Munkin's

659
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: name was first thrown out there as a head coach,

660
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: I didn't think he really had interest in being a

661
00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: head coach.

662
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: He had been a head coach at Southern Miss.

663
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: Didn't really Dugget decided to go right back being a coordinator,

664
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: and so didn't know if he had those aspirations. Here's

665
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: what I potentially would like about it, and whether Shudur

666
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: Sanders is a quarterback or not. I think what you

667
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: ultimately had is someone who had an appreciation for what

668
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: was already in the quarterback room, and it's just outside

669
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: looking in. It appears that Cleveland wants to go down

670
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: this road in twenty twenty six with what they have,

671
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: so they can build up the rest of the team

672
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: and then maybe make a bigger decision on the quarterback

673
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty seven. The conversation had to be with

674
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: Todd Munkin, could you work with what we currently have

675
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: in the room if you had to go through a

676
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: season with Shadur Sanders and Deshaun Boston Dylan Gable, are

677
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: you comfortable trying to figure out how to make that work?

678
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: And it appears that Todd Munkin is comfortable in that,

679
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: just given the little interaction that we saw with him

680
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: and shd Sanders when they met in the office, having

681
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 3: recruited him and offered him at Georgia, talked about drafting

682
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: him in Baltimore.

683
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: And now he gets a chance to coach him.

684
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: It appears that that relationship at least is at a

685
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 3: cordial level where you can say, hey, let's try this

686
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: and let's see what it looks like for a year,

687
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: and then if we need to go back in the

688
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: draft wool than twenty twenty seven, there'll be more options

689
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: available for us to do it while we have a

690
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: better team.

691
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: To me, I'm just seeing the fact that they even

692
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: pumped this out. I talked to this with with Rosenthal

693
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: about this, but the fact that the first thing that

694
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: they pumped out content wise was him and Shador and

695
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: then embracing and telling the story about wanting to draft

696
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: him and all those things. It felt like they're going

697
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: to be they got to go get a veteran, you know,

698
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: to come in there to the room. You know, potentially

699
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: they're not shopping in the Malik Willis neighborhood. They're trying

700
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: to find just some like a backup level veteran that

701
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: if it just goes to crap, you could you could

702
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: have somebody that could start games for you. But this

703
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: feels one hundred percent to me at least, like this

704
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: is a this is a full year audition here for

705
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: shador as they try and figure out if he's the guy.

706
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: If not, they got the picks in twenty seven and

707
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: go get one, then.

708
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: I think you're right on that, and because why else

709
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: would they do that? Like they know and look, they

710
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: out a position to get a quarterback in the draft.

711
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: And so Dennis free agent, do you want to overpay

712
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: for a free agent that maybe you don't know? I

713
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: think this is trying to do it now they run

714
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: the risk of when they made the move losing their DC.

715
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens with Jim Schwartz even though

716
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: he's under contract.

717
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, want somebody there trust me, Like

718
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: everybody can say he's under contract. I'm like, there's no

719
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: way he's back there, Like it would take a major

720
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: soothing to get him back. I don't see that happening.

721
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: You don't want someone who doesn't want to be there.

722
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: And it coincides with the time where they're saying, oh,

723
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: maybe Big Panchio it's going to retire in Philly, like

724
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: all of those things coming up. It just yeah, look,

725
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: I understand him being disappointed. I understand him running out

726
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: the building like he ran out when he thought that

727
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: he would be in line to be the coach. Yeah,

728
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: that's a tough decision and they have to figure out

729
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: how they gonna make that up. I want to get

730
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: your thoughts on one scouting thing as as we're wrapping

731
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: up here, which I love having these conversations on here.

732
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: I was talking to a team and we're talking about

733
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: free agency and the way they kind of were going

734
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: through their free agency meetings. Would their coaches. So they

735
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: have different players and you're stacking players and you can

736
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: put them all on your overall list and you could

737
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: give okay, some people will sign it. I know a

738
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: lot of teams have gotten wise to do this instead

739
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: of back asking the you know, the dB coach to

740
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: rank these fifteen corners in free agency. They'll say, here's

741
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: this pot of three, here's this pot of four, here's

742
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: this pot of five. Like within those pods, rank them

743
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: because you don't want your personnel departments number one guy

744
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: to be his fifteenth guy. You just like, these are

745
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: like the collection of guys we have, but you kind

746
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: of rank them within that little pod. But they have

747
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: The team I was talking to has like they call

748
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: it almost like a passion meeting. So you have all

749
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: the coaches in there, we're going to go by a

750
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: position and say we're not saying like this is what

751
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: we're going to pay, like this is the rank of them,

752
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: but like, who would you be? Who would you be

753
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: excited to have in our room? It might be the

754
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: third tier group of linebacker, it might be the number

755
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: one overall edge rusher. Who could it be? Like, who

756
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: are you passionate about that? You're like, man, this guy

757
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: he's about what we're about. I like him, you know,

758
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: I believe in him. I think we get the most

759
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: out of him. Like I'm passionate this guy makes us better.

760
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting way to approach it.

761
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard about those kind of meetings, and I

762
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: do think it's something we always talk about. Who are

763
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: you convicted and who would you stand on the table for?

764
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: You've talked and brought up like red star player, and

765
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 3: what you're doing is you're trying to get people to

766
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: reveal and disclose and who's your red star player in

767
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: this group? Like who are all the ones that you

768
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: can pick in this cluster, in that cluster, in that

769
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: cluster would be the one that you would bet on

770
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: if you're coaching, and that they're going to have a

771
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: level of success. I like that and I think for

772
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: so long when the coaches would get involved in the

773
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: process is scout read their report.

774
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: Coaches read their report. They see it.

775
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: From different ways and it's not the perfect I guess

776
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 3: negotiation or debate or discussion about what does the player

777
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: fall because no matter what we think about them as scouts,

778
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: the coaches have to be on board because there's nothing

779
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: worse than bringing in a player that the coach refuses

780
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: to play. And that's the that we got to see

781
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: the game from the same set of eyes, but we

782
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: got to be close in terms of what we want

783
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: and what plays well. And the only way to do

784
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: that is you kind of got to get the coaches

785
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: opinion and get them on board with the process and

786
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: how we're going about doing it.

787
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of other things. So if you're you know,

788
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: you're going through that meeting and you have you might

789
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: have a personnel, you might have your pro scout, maybe

790
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: it's your pro director, your linebacker coach, and your defensive coordinator.

791
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: If you guys, there's three or four people that all say, Man,

792
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about this player.

793
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the.

794
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: Kind of guy we want to invest in. That's kind

795
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: of that we want to bring in. So it's kind

796
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: of not just saying one person loves them. It's man,

797
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: with all the different guys we had to look at

798
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: these players, there's a few of them that we all

799
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: really really believe in. So those guys are the ones

800
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: that we need to target. And the final thing I

801
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: was going to hit you on, Buck is there's a

802
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: lot of teams with with sour cap space because sour

803
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: CAP's gone up, and there's a lot of teams that

804
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: are in a real, real, you know, good situation in

805
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: that regard, and I the vibe, the vibe that I

806
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: got Senior Bone talking to people is that the market,

807
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: they're done enough quality players and there's so many teams

808
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: with space that the numbers are going to get big

809
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: for free agents, and so you're gonna end up having

810
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: to get uncomfortable paying guys. Which my perspective on it,

811
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: and I want to get your take on it, is

812
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: there should probably be more resigns this year then we've seen.

813
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: Man, you should get men we've been.

814
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: If I'm going to overpay it, I want to know

815
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: what the heck I'm getting. I want to know how

816
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: he fits in our scheme and how he fits in

817
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: our locker room. I'd be a little more comfortable, I think,

818
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: overpaying my own guys than maybe going outside.

819
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: It's funny, we've been doing the show too long because

820
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: I was saying the same thing.

821
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, if this is the case, because

822
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: what it does if you overpay for somebody outside the

823
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: building and you haven't paid some of your own guys,

824
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: it's going to create discord in the locker room.

825
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: You better serve to resign your own.

826
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: We always talk about draft developed resign, Well, this is

827
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: a great opportunity with a bunch of.

828
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: Sellar cap space to do that.

829
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: We drafted them, they developed, they play, well, let's resign

830
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: them and retain them.

831
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: And the way that you do it, you're gonna have

832
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: to throw big Bucks Man.

833
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 3: It's going to change the marketplace because whenever you get

834
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: these big contracts for guys who aren't A level players,

835
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: but the money says that they're A level players, Well,

836
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 3: now it changes everything, not only for the A levels

837
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: but the Bees, because now the Bee's is gonna be like,

838
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: what a piece of B plus I'm a Bee? I

839
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: need to be paid in that reasonable range? Changes everything. So, yeah,

840
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: you better serve to pay your own guys, build your

841
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 3: team with the guys that you know, and kind of

842
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: mitigate some of the risks from a character and cultural standpoint.

843
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: Make sure you got the right guys in the building.

844
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, noybe used to see frequency at leave. March eleventh

845
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: is when that gets cranked up. So not too far

846
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: away here. Anything else you want to add before we

847
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: get out of here?

848
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: Buck, No, Look, it's fun. I know we'll get to it.

849
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: But I think Kubiak going to the Raiders, Mike Lafleur

850
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: going to the ARISONA Cardinals, We're all done.

851
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: That was an easy decision for Kubiak though, right, I

852
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: mean the Raiders, you're gonna have a chance to get

853
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's.

854
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you have a chance. And like we'll

855
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: dig into Mendoza. I mean, after you've seen the work

856
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: that Kubiak has done with Donald, you're Tom Brady and

857
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: John Spotteg like you love the fact. Okay, like Mendoza's athletic.

858
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: Enough.

859
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: Remember we years ago talked about what's the perfect system

860
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: for any quarterback and we talked about this Shanahan Kubik

861
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: system and how I can turn average players into.

862
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl as Pro Bowl is into MVPs. It is

863
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: a system that has been proven to elevate players.

864
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: And so why not with the number one overall pick,

865
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: you got a chance to get the quarterback that you want.

866
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 2: Why not take the job for you? Kubiak?

867
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Michael Flores got his hands full here trying

868
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: to figure out what to do at that position with

869
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Who'll have a lot of time to

870
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: discuss that as we head towards the spring. All right,

871
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: that's going to do it for us. Hope you guys

872
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: have enjoyed it. We'll see you next time right here

873
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: on Blue the sticks,