1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: On Theme is a production of iHeartRadio and Fairweather Friends Media. 2 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: You are listening to. 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: It's four oh four day. 4 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 3: For those not from the city. 5 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Fall Fall Day is Atlanta Day, the day we celebrate 6 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: everything Atlanta. 7 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: What you got for us? 8 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 3: Katie well An anecdote. 9 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 4: Two years ago. I had just been laid off, riding 10 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 4: around the city, probably looking for tacos, when a song 11 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 4: I had never heard of came on. I didn't know 12 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 4: it yet, but the song was about to go viral 13 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 4: and cause a star in Atlanta and the surrounding areas. 14 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 4: So I'm driving down ponds right, dodging potholes, and Amaretta 15 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 4: the Great song Sorry Not Sorry comes on? 16 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 3: You heard of it? 17 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 4: The one where she's saying, who is and isn't Atlanta exactly? 18 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 4: For the uninitiated, Amareda the Great calls out different locations 19 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 4: in the Atlanta metro for not being Atlanta, College Park, 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 4: clay Coo, Decatur, Roswell, etc. 21 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: Etc. 22 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 4: I'm rid of the Great asserts that she's an a baby, 23 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 4: so she gotta. 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: Start pulling folks cards. She says she and other real. 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 4: At Aliens had to live in the zoo where you 26 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 4: don't make it out so I don't give a fuck 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 4: what they say. 28 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: Okay girl, but is that a flex? 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: And not to get off on its tangent. 30 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 4: But the music video for this song was shot at 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 4: the New Braves Baseball Stadium, which is also not Atlanta. 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: But I digress. 33 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 4: Being someone who's been here since child, I've seen the 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: city change so much, so I thought the punchline for 35 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: the song would be Atlanta. 36 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: It's not Atlanta. 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: That's a hot take. 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 4: I mean, think about it. With the gentrification of Atlanta, 39 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 4: the culture that Atlanta has broadcasted to the world has 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 4: been pushed out to the suburbs and beyond the same places. 41 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 4: I'm rid of the great calls out for not being Atlanta. 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 4: I'm struck by all the murals around the city with 43 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 4: black women with gold grills and bands who knots and 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 4: neighborhoods they used to be black but are decidedly not anymore. 45 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: It's like the city. 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: Puts black folks in the public art once it has 47 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 4: successfully priced out all the real niggas. But the myth 48 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 4: of this magical land for black people persists. 49 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: I'm Katie and I'm Eves. 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 4: In today's episode The Myth of Atlanta. 51 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: So for four or four day You're coming for Atlanta's nick. 52 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 4: I mean yeah. I think James Ballways said it best. 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 4: I love America more than any other country in the world, 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 4: and exactly for this reason, I insist on the right 55 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 4: to criticize her perpetually. And that's how I feel about Atlanta. 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 4: I love the city so much, and I want to 57 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 4: see it be the city it purports to be. 58 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: That's fair enough. Let's hear these myths. 59 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: Before I get into the particular miss of Atlanta. Are 60 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 4: you familiar with the tale of Atalanta, the renowned huntress 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 4: of Greek mythology. 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 2: Not really tell me about it. 63 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: At Talanta was known for her exceptional speed and unwavering 64 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 4: commitment to virginity. She declared that she would only marry 65 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: the man who could beat her in a foot race. 66 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: She also declared that any man who lost to her 67 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: would be killed immediately. This served to dissuade would be suitors, 68 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: as at Talanta was known as one of the fastest 69 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: runners in history and was confident that no man would 70 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 4: best her. One of the suitors, Hippomenus, challenged Attlanta to race, 71 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 4: but he knew he couldn't beat her based on his 72 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: speed alone, with the help of the goddess Aphrodite, Hippomenus 73 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 4: executed his plan. He placed three golden apples along the 74 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 4: race's route, each more irresistible than the last. Caught off 75 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 4: guard by the shimmering temptation, Atalanta couldn't resist pausing to 76 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 4: retrieve the golden apples. In that pivotal moment, her focus wavered, 77 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: allowing Hippomytus to surge ahead and claim victory in the race. 78 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 4: In his Essay of the Wings of Atalanta, which is 79 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 4: the fifth chapter of the Salts of Black Folk, du 80 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 4: Bois revisits the myth of Atalanta and its relevance to 81 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: the city of Atlanta. He states, if Atlanta be not 82 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: named for Atalanta, she ought to have been. Du Bois 83 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 4: warns against being tempted into thinking that golden apples are 84 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: the goal of racing and not mere incidents. By the way, 85 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: he uses his myth to critique the materialistic pursuits and 86 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: values that he observed in the city of Atlanta. 87 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: Dubois is onto something. 88 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: I think it makes sense for him to draw that 89 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: connection between the two, and you know, I love a 90 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: connection to sort of mythology in something. 91 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 2: So he has some points. 92 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 93 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,239 Speaker 4: I first heard of the myth while reading doctor Maurice 94 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 4: Jay Hobson's The Legend of the Black Mecca, Politics and 95 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 4: Class and the Making of Modern Atlanta. In that book, 96 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 4: he traces the rise of the black elite and the 97 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: bargains they made for prosperity. The book illuminates the wide 98 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 4: gap between the black political elite and the poor city dwellers. 99 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: It really complicates the long held view of Atlanta as 100 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 4: this mecca for black people. The book conformed a lot 101 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 4: of my thoughts about Atlanta as a myth maker. So 102 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 4: let's get into these myths. Myth Number one Atlanta is 103 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 4: the City Too Busy to Hate. To promote Atlanta as 104 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 4: a racially progressive city and to distinguish Atlanta from the 105 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 4: racial violence occurring in other Southern cities, city leaders coined 106 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: the moniker the City too Busy to Hate in the 107 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 4: nineteen sixties. Here's Ambassador Andrew Young, former mayor of Atlanta, 108 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 4: reflecting on what he's most proud of about Atlanta. 109 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm most proud of the fact that we set out 110 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: a slogan as cided to visit the hate, and it 111 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: looks like we're living. 112 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 4: Up to it. Blying this phrase were the deeply embedded 113 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 4: segregation laws, policies, and practices that restricted all aspects of 114 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: black folks lives. But Black Alantans were making progress, but 115 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 4: always within the constraints of racial inequality. For example, in 116 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 4: nineteen sixty the city of Atlanta had forty two barks 117 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 4: for whites, three for blacks, twelve swimming pools for whites 118 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 4: again three for blacks, sixteen recreation centers for whites. Guess 119 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 4: how many for blacks three three thirty for blacks. There 120 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 4: were four thousand hospital beds available for whites in only 121 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 4: seven hundred and eighty for black folks. And despite some 122 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 4: three hundred thousand African American citizens of Atlanta, no African 123 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 4: Americans were serving on the Atlanta Board of Aldermen, Board 124 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: of Education, nor the boards for recreation, the library, or 125 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 4: public welfare. Separate and unequal, And even after the Supreme 126 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 4: Court had ruled against segregation in schools in nineteen fifty four, 127 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: Atlanta schools remained segregated until nineteen sixty one. Gradie Hospital 128 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 4: was ordered by the Supreme Court to desegregate all of 129 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: its facilities in nineteen sixty two. 130 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: Do you think Grady did that, absolutely not. 131 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: It waited till nineteen sixty five to fully desegregate. 132 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: It sounds like Atlanta still made time to hate, basically exactly. 133 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: Atlanta was busy, but it made time. 134 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: So where did the phrase come from? Did people like 135 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: come together and vote on the city motto or something? 136 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: Girl? No Girl? 137 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 4: This was a marketing campaign created by Helen Ballard, a 138 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 4: Coca Cola employee, and endorsed by and popularized by then 139 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 4: mayor Ivan Allen. Have you heard this phrase before? 140 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had heard it before. 141 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: What were your first impressions when you heard it? 142 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: So it sounds very rose colored glasses, very like harp 143 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: sound in the background, rainbow, the city too busy to hate. 144 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: I feel like it was before my era where people 145 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: were really serious about it. You know, I grew up 146 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: in the nineties in Atlanta, but I never I guess 147 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: I never fell for it because I saw the world 148 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: around me. 149 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: I grew up in a low income area. I grew 150 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: up where niggas was fighting. 151 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: Okay, we're hating and we're writing, all right, So yeah, 152 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: I guess I never fell for it. 153 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: So you've been woke, girl? 154 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: I always saying that definitely would never say that about myself. 155 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: But I'm giving woke. 156 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll take you there. 157 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 4: So the slogan highlighted Atlanta's commitment to economic growth, emphasizing 158 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: the city that prioritized business development and cooperation across racial 159 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,239 Speaker 4: lines rather than racial division. This strategy helped attract businesses, investors, 160 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 4: and visitors to Atlanta. As we see, Atlanta is full. 161 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 4: I know you don't believe that, but no, I. 162 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: Don't believe that, but in attractive visitors. 163 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 4: It showcased the city that was forward thinking, and it 164 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: really set the stage for Atlanta's reputation in the country 165 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: and throughout the world. 166 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: The word choice of the phrase is really interesting to me. 167 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: Too busy to hate, not too moral, not too kind, 168 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: and not too intelligent, just busy. 169 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: They're like, girl, I'll hate you later when I got 170 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 4: time moved. 171 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 172 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 4: It was purely marketing, aimed to set Atlanta apart from 173 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 4: other cities in the Deep South like Jackson, Montgomery, Birmingham, 174 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 4: and as I mentioned before, Atlanta had its racial disparities 175 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: too in public accommodations and representation in local politics. 176 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: And in nineteen o six, white. 177 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: Atlantans committed a bitter massacre against Black Atlantin's killing at 178 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: least twenty five people in wounding dozens. 179 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: But I know what you're thinking. 180 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: What am I thinking? 181 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,359 Speaker 3: That was nineteen oh six? 182 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: Atlanta became the City Too Busy to Hate in the 183 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 4: nineteen sixties. The city has moved on. 184 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: You got me? 185 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you about the Summer Hill Rebellion 186 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: of nineteen sixty six, which happened while Ivan Allen was mayor. 187 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: And spreading the city too Busy to Hate gospel. 188 00:09:59,200 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: I'm listening. 189 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 4: The rebellion began following the police shooting of an unarmed 190 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 4: black man named Harold Prather, sparking protests against ongoing inequities 191 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: such as discriminatory policing, poor housing, inadequate public services, and 192 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 4: urban renewal policies affecting the neighborhood. Mayor Ivan Allen blamed 193 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 4: Stokely Carmichael and the Student nine Violent Coordinating Committee also 194 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 4: known as SNICK for inciting violence, using that all too 195 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 4: familiar outside agitator's trope to explain why Summer Hill was rebelling. 196 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 4: In a photo essay pamphlet I found in Ivan Allen's 197 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 4: archive at Georgia Tech, Julius Leicester wrote about why they rebelled. 198 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: Thus it began. How many other times had white policemen 199 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: shot black men? How many other times had white policemen 200 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: beaten black men and taken them off to jail? How 201 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: many other times? But this time was the one time 202 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: too many. In Cleveland, it was not being able to 203 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: get a glass of water in a bar run by 204 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: a white man. In Watts, it was the simple arrest 205 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: of two men on a traffic violation, always something that 206 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: has happened an infinite number of times before, but on 207 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: one occasion it becomes the proverbial straw breaking the camel's back. 208 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: His testimony definitely doesn't align with what Ivan Allen would 209 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: like to telegraph about Atlanta to the rest of the world. 210 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 4: Nah, it was indirect opposition, and Julius Luster calls out 211 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 4: directly how black politicians are used as mouthpieces to quell 212 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 4: dissent from the black masses. 213 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: He writes. 214 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: Ivan Allan says Snick is responsible for the rebellions. Those 215 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: black men he has bought off with tea and cookies 216 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: can say, as did the Reverend Otis Smith. Our main 217 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: concern is Stokely Carmichael. Whether or not we have a 218 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: riot is up to him. The Reverend William Holmes Borders 219 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: can say, We've got to stop him before he stops us. 220 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: Doctor O. W. 221 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: Davis can say, mister Carmichael is an albatross around our next. 222 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: Whether Snick lives or dies is not important, because the 223 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: black community will continue to fight until a society is 224 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: created in which the black man will be able to 225 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: fulfill himself. In that society, there will be no place 226 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: for the Ivan Allens who think a city's image and 227 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: progress can be separated from the people of that city. 228 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 4: I think it shows that because this was are in 229 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty six, and actually in Ivan Allen's archive 230 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: there was a note saying that they got it from 231 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 4: a Negro girl passing it out on the street. So 232 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 4: I think sometimes we can get this idea that people 233 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 4: were like buy into this back then wait, they got. 234 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: What from a Negro girl passing out on the street. 235 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 4: They got the photo essay that the quotes come from. Okay, 236 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: like they were passing it on the street, trying to 237 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 4: get people to understand why they were rebelling. And it 238 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: just shows that, like people were aware that this myth 239 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 4: was in fact a myth. It wasn't true you know, 240 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 4: they're doing urban renewal what we would call like gentrification now, 241 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 4: but the urban renewal is very violent. 242 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: They were just coming in and knocking down people's homes. 243 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 4: I'm going to be condemned. There's a picture in the 244 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 4: essay of a man just like holding up a rat. 245 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 4: These are the conditions they were living in, and they 246 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 4: saw that it was violent to have people living like 247 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 4: this in your city while you're like telegraphing this like 248 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 4: international great city to the world. 249 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: That's violence and that's hateful. 250 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: And I think just this artifact that I'm very glad 251 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: that they have it in the archive, shows that people 252 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 4: were already aware that this was some bs even back then. 253 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: Governments and politicians and authorities and power make it seem 254 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: like the people can't see what the hell is going 255 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: on right in front of them. It's like, I can 256 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: starkly see this big difference between how you're portraying the 257 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: city to the outside world and how we're literally living it. 258 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: And this made that clear. 259 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 4: And it's like this was a public kitchen that was 260 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 4: very grassroots, like you're not going to see this in 261 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 4: the AJAC not at this time. You're not going to 262 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 4: turn on the evening news and hear the members of 263 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 4: Synic saying that there's going to be no room for 264 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 4: Ivan Allen's if they think the city's image can be 265 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 4: separated from the people. You know, they're not going to 266 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 4: get that airtime. So you have to put it out 267 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 4: to yourself, you know, passing it out on the corner, 268 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: like hey, hey, you heard the news, like this is 269 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 4: what we do and this is why we're doing it, 270 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 4: Just like putting it out theirself and not really waiting 271 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 4: on these establishment places to validate your experience and how 272 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 4: you see what's going on right before your eyes. 273 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: And I think it's powerful for it to be. 274 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: We've talked about previously in episodes about the power of 275 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: photos and storytelling and how they can really show what 276 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: was happening. But you know, in this way, often when 277 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: we have situations like this, when the media is misrepresenting 278 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: the reasons that protests are happening, you end up having 279 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: to create a counter narrative. But it feels even wrong 280 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: for me to use the term counter narrative because it's 281 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: really the true narrative and the media's narrative is the 282 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: counter narrative. But that's what it becomes because whoever is involved, 283 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: whatever the mainstream media says is the thing that's going 284 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: to settle into people's spirits because that's the thing. 285 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: They're going to hear over and over. It's going to 286 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 4: be the historical record exactly. So you got to come 287 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 4: up with your own. And I think the picture is 288 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 4: really like you can say, so you're blue in the face, 289 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 4: like this is what they're doing. 290 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: But that picture of the man who owed the rat, 291 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 3: I don't need to hear nothing else. 292 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: All I need to see was a rat, you know 293 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, no more evidence needed, no care close, 294 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: Like this is germ. 295 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: How would you get a hold of this? 296 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. 297 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe you. 298 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 4: But what really strikes me about the myth is Atlanta's 299 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: focus on outside perception versus internal relations. It's kind of 300 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 4: like a microcosm for America itself. I know you've heard 301 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 4: of the myth of American exceptionalism, and I think that's 302 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 4: what this myth is getting to Atlanta. Exceptionalism, Like it's 303 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: just not the case for the majority of black people 304 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 4: who call the city home. And this myth is really 305 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: foundational to the city's lore. And appeal. And this Atlanta 306 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: exceptionalism is still weaponized today. Remember during Atlanta's twenty twenty 307 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 4: George Floyd protests, when protesters took to downtown and Atlanta 308 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 4: Americacilia's Bottom held a press conference with rappers Killer Mike 309 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 4: and Ti, and Ti said. 310 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 5: Atlanta is a place where we can set an example 311 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 5: of prosperity. When you don't get treated right in New York, 312 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 5: when you don't get treated right in LA, when you 313 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 5: don't get treated right in Alabama, Atlanta has been here 314 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 5: for this city. 315 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 4: Don't deserve it. 316 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 5: We can't do this here. This is what condo, It's sacred, 317 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 5: must be protected. 318 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 4: This is what kanda, Atlanta's special. 319 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 3: We don't do that here. 320 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 4: Mind you, these are multi millionaires who made a lot 321 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 4: of money talking about how Atlanta is the trap the 322 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 4: hood both sold drugs and did other illegal activities in 323 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 4: their youth at least what is still doing very illegal 324 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: things in the city to this day, allegedly. But when 325 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 4: a coalition of people come together demanding better for the 326 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 4: city from elected officials and from sworn quote peace officers, 327 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: you get on TV and tell them to stop, tell 328 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 4: them to respect law and private property. 329 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: Because this is Atlanta. 330 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't fall out say the city too busy 331 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: to hate, but it's like he internalized it. It's like 332 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: this little marketing slogan is the bloodstream of so many 333 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: folks in Atlanta. 334 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 4: That's the thing about marketing slogans, right, They're catchy, often 335 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 4: earworms that stick with us, and most importantly, they're selling something, 336 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 4: and unfortunately too many of us have bought in. 337 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: Stay with us because after the break, we'll get into 338 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: myth number two. 339 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 4: And we're back with more myths about Atlanta. Myth number two, 340 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 4: Black political representation is a win for all black Atlantans. 341 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: So, speaking of Keisha Lance Bottom summoning Killer Mike and 342 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: t I during George Floyd protests, I remember when she 343 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: was elected in twenty eighteen and there were shirts and 344 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: buttons and status updates that proudly stated I have a 345 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: mayor named Keisha, as if having an identifiably black name 346 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: automatically makes you gang gang. 347 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 4: And this isn't a new phenomenon in the city of Atlanta. 348 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 4: It goes way back before Atlanta even had a black mayor. 349 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 4: Pop quiz uh oh okay, So what time period did 350 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 4: the moniker black Mecca come. 351 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: About nineteen fifties. 352 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 3: Okay, why do you think that. 353 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, like girl, just because like the city 354 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: was burgeoning, you know, but it was still pre sixties. 355 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: I think it came before a more modern era. 356 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 4: Okay, I could see why you would say that, but 357 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: it actually started way before it actually happened in the 358 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 4: eighteen sixties. So remember there's like the Freedman Bureau was around, 359 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: that was in Atlanta, and so there's also the Battle 360 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 4: of Antietam in Maryland, which was a Union victory that 361 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: gave the North a lot of momentum in the Civil War. 362 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 4: So when General Sherman burned Atlanta to the ground, newly 363 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 4: free slaves followed him to Atlanta and found refuge here 364 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 4: because there was a lot of Union troops around, and 365 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 4: you know, the South lost. So Atlanta they're like, Okay, 366 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 4: this is the new South. We're focusing on industry development. 367 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 4: You know, they lost all their free labor from the 368 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 4: slaves Civil Wars, so they're like, we're a new city. 369 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 3: We're going to be industrious being. 370 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 2: Focused on industry. That sounds really familiar. 371 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: Some things never changed, and it was also in Atlanta. 372 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: Piedmont Park specifically where Booker T. Washington delivered the infamous 373 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 4: Atlanta Compromise speech. Here's a pull quote from Booker T. 374 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: The wisest among my race understand that the agitation of 375 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: questions of social equality is the extremist folly. 376 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 4: In other words, black and white leaders agreed that Black 377 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 4: Atlantans would submit to white political rule in exchange for 378 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 4: education and due process under law. It really codified segregation 379 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 4: and struck a deal with white supremacists. But some middle 380 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 4: class black Atlanta's did benefit, particularly business owners. There was 381 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 4: a cluster of businesses on Auburn, av And Hunter Street, 382 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 4: and you know, the city was segregated, so they had 383 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 4: to study stream of customers. They was. 384 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: They was cool with it, but black folks still can't 385 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: vote or really participate in civic life fully. 386 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 3: Nope, couldn't. 387 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 4: Georgia had an all white primary until nineteen forty and afterwards, 388 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 4: black leaders John Wesley Dobbs and At Walden founded the 389 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 4: Atlanta Negro Voters League, which basically broker deals with white 390 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 4: political candidates like, oh, we'll get the black people to 391 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: vote for you, Like we're gonna support this group. But 392 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 4: they didn't really consult Atlanta's black working classes. 393 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: They're just like, yeah, so. 394 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: They just picked without seeing what regular black folks wanted. 395 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 4: Basically, yeah, like back room handshakes type of deal. Scholar 396 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 4: Tamiko Brown Nagan calls this tactic the Atlanta way. Black 397 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 4: elites compromise with white business leaders at the expense of 398 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 4: the poor. 399 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: But still using the poor to win elections and ignoring 400 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: their needs once in office. 401 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: Ugh, don't it sound familiar? 402 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 4: M M? I mean we're seeing the same thing right 403 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 4: now today with Mayor Andre Dickens and cop City. Nobody 404 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 4: wants it, but it's see Atlanta way. So now we 405 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 4: got the city of Atlanta cutting down a forest during 406 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 4: a climate crisis, mind you to build a training facility 407 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 4: to teach cops to kill Nigga's. 408 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: Better tell us how you really feel. 409 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 4: I'm just calling it how it is. And Atlanta has 410 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: a long history of doing this for decades, Black leadership 411 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 4: has elevated white elites and business interests, even when, maybe 412 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 4: especially when they go against the wants and demands of 413 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 4: the black masses. And when it first started, poor black 414 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 4: Atlanta saw these black leaders as puppets or simply white 415 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 4: men in black face. 416 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: And I know, folks in the city still feel the 417 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: same way, especially when these actions impact their day to day. 418 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and current black leaders are aware of this, you know, 419 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: they're aware of how they're perceived. Here's Mayor Andre Dickens 420 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 4: at Morehouse trying to convince black students that cop City, 421 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 4: a militarized police training center, was good for the black community. 422 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: That's like a classic case of telling people that they're hurt, 423 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: where protesters stand up in a situation and them actually 424 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: not being hurt because he completely dismissed what they were 425 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: saying and basically was deeming it invalid in that moment. 426 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: But it's like, let your these people are your constituents. 427 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: There are people who voted for you, maybe some of them, 428 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: some of them aren't, but they live in your city. 429 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: This is a city that you're claiming to take care 430 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: of and to care about and to be doing actions 431 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: that are supposed to be moving the city for for 432 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: its residents. And just merely or simply saying you're not 433 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: a sellout when there are so many things that say 434 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: the exact opposite that are on that resume, so many 435 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: actions that are on that resume. You're telling us to 436 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: check out is cognitive dissonance. I don't know what else 437 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: to call it. 438 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 3: I mean, you're trying to highlight the black stuff, like, yeah, 439 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: I mean playing basketball with y'all, I may die the fuck. Yeah. 440 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 441 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 4: It's very interesting that clip in particular, because like you're 442 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 4: trying to tell these black men you're at Morehouse. You're 443 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 4: trying to tell these black men who you know, even 444 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 4: though they're going to have degrees. The police don't care 445 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 4: men walking around with your degree, like, oh, don't shoot me, 446 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 4: don't arrest me. 447 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: And even if they did, it wouldn't do anything. They 448 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: should write through that paper papers stand girl, and clearly 449 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: bodies are thin to them too. 450 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. And it's like, as a black person in Atlanta, 451 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 4: you are twelve times more likely to give killed by 452 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 4: the police as a white person. And I can only 453 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: see this going up once you have this training center 454 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 4: where they're learning how to kill you more effectively, more efficiently. 455 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 4: They're learning the script of fearing for their lives no 456 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 4: better little acting school moment. So I think the thing 457 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 4: about this myth is that the black politicians really play 458 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 4: into it. They use their blackness, their black names, their 459 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 4: high top phase. To Gardner, political goodwill as we heard 460 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 4: andres like you got the wrong resume on the black 461 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 4: stuff on the race card, like you're a black man, sure, 462 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 4: but you don't give a fuck about these black men 463 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 4: you're speaking to. And it's such the Atlanta way, you know, 464 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 4: because once the city government began shifting from white to black, 465 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 4: these black politicians really pushed the racial solidarity over civil 466 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 4: unrest through voting campaigns. It's like racial pride read representation 467 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 4: in politics was touted over class consciousness. 468 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: Kind of like, don't say anything bad about this fellow 469 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: black person publicly because they're a fellow black person. 470 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 4: Very much so, you know, it happens during the the 471 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 4: child murders, which took place during the first black mayor 472 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 4: of Atlanta, Mayor Jackson's administration. Doctor Hobson's Black Meca book 473 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 4: talks about this in this third chapter. But the children 474 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 4: that were kidnapped and murdered were poor, and a lot 475 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 4: of people call them hustlers and runaways, trying to suggest 476 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 4: that they deserved what happened to them, or they were 477 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 4: kind of in on it. They were living the wrong 478 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 4: lifestyle in Atlanta's black working class, and poor organized their 479 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 4: own community patrols because to them, the first black mayor 480 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 4: was too busy bolstering the Black Mecca image while sacrificing 481 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 4: Atlanta's poor to play politics with the whole murderer on 482 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 4: the loss at least one because people did not believe 483 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 4: that man did that all by himself. But that's a 484 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 4: different story for a different day. But you know, you 485 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 4: got to consider the timing. So the Atlanta child murders 486 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 4: were happening between nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty one. 487 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 4: Atlanta's black political leadership were trying to post the nineteen 488 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 4: eighty eight Democratic National Convention, and they're also e in 489 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 4: the nineteen ninety six Olympic Games. Remember, like all this 490 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: stuff they started playing eight years before. And so the 491 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 4: tim's families and neighbors believed Atlanta's black city administration downplayed 492 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 4: these murders to show that social and economic progress have 493 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 4: been made in the South and thus promoting a city. 494 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: Too busy to hate. 495 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: The original myth. 496 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: I told you it was foundational. 497 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 4: And now it's time for the last myth of Atlanta 498 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 4: after the break myth number three. 499 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: Atlanta is the land of milk and honey for black folks. Now, 500 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: this last myth. 501 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 4: I see the most in media from reality TV, like 502 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 4: The Real Housewives of Atlanta. 503 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 2: Fabulous, Going with the Wind, fabulous Okay. 504 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 4: And Love and Hip Hop. So like every Tyler Perry 505 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 4: movie where the characters are lawyers and businessmen who live 506 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 4: in grand mansions with higher help. There's this idea that 507 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 4: every black person in Atlanta is well off, but really 508 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 4: those people are just taking up the most airtime in actuality. 509 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 4: As of twenty twenty two, Atlanta had the highest income 510 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 4: inequality in the US. So in twenty twenty three, the 511 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: median household income in Atlanta for white families was over 512 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 4: eighty three thousand, compared to black folks, which was just 513 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 4: over twenty eight thousand. And black households make up forty 514 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 4: eight percent of the city's total households right now, but 515 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 4: we own just seventeen percent of the housing wells. And 516 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 4: according to some experts, this income inequality is rooted in 517 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 4: racial disparities from generations ago. 518 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 2: So what are some of those causal factors like redlining. 519 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 4: Redlining, mass incarceration and while the city was too busy 520 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 4: to hate white folks, those white flight and day asses 521 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 4: away from black people and starting all white on clives 522 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 4: around the city, like the Buckhead neighborhood. Hell, just a 523 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 4: couple of years ago, Buckhet tried to secede from the 524 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 4: city and take its tax dollars from the rest of Atlanta. 525 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I remember that little city hood movement. They 526 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 1: were trying to separate themselves from the blacker neighborhoods in Atlanta. 527 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 4: But beyond Buckhead, Atlanta has been hyper fixated on class. 528 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 4: So it makes sense why the success of upper class 529 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 4: black folks would contribute to myth number three. The myth 530 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 4: helps perpetuate itself. The more people think Atlanta is the 531 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 4: land of milk and honey for black folks, the more 532 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 4: the upper class gets telegraphed to the world as the 533 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 4: ballers and movers and shakers they desperately want to be, 534 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 4: so they produce media, essay, shows, movies, whatever to feed 535 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 4: the myth. W. E. B. Du Bois, a prominent Atlanta resident, 536 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 4: popularize the term Talented tenth and is nineteen three essay 537 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 4: The Talented Tenth, emphasizing the importance of developing the best 538 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 4: and most educated individuals within the African American community to 539 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 4: uplift and guide the masses towards progress. In a way 540 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 4: from societal challenges. Du Bois wrote, the. 541 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: Negro race, like all races, is going to be saved 542 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: by its exceptional men. The problem of education, then among Negroes, 543 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: must first of all deal with the talented tenth. It 544 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: is the problem of developing the best of this race 545 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: that they may guide the mass away from the contamination 546 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: and death of the worst in their own and other races. 547 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 2: Sounds like the black. 548 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: Politicians really took this line of thinking and ran with it. 549 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: Ran it ran into the ground. 550 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 4: They really really did, which, you know, du boys didn't 551 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 4: anticipate the talented ten the manifesting in the way that 552 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 4: it did what we've been seeing this whole time. Forty 553 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 4: five years after writing that essay The Talented Tenth, du 554 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 4: Bois offers a self critique of the concept. 555 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: He writes, I assume that with knowledge, sacrifice would automatically follow. 556 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: In my youth and idealism, I did not realize that 557 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: selfishness is even more natural than sacrifice. When I came 558 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: out of college and into the world of work, I 559 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: realized that it was quite possible that my plan of 560 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: training a talented tenth might put in control and power 561 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: a group of selfish, self indulgent, well to do men 562 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: whose basic interest in solving the Negro problem was personal 563 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: personal freedom and unhampered enjoyment and use of the world, 564 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: without any real care or certainly no arousing care as 565 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: to what became of the mass of American negroes. Damn, 566 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: the talented tenth really sold folks out for those golden apples, child. 567 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 4: Because with everything's for sale, that includes black folks who 568 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 4: are seen as disposable. The boys tried to warn us 569 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 4: in the of the Wings of Atlanta, the chasing of 570 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 4: the material will be the city's downfall. 571 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, think back to the nineteen ninety six Olympics when 572 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: the city cleared entire black neighborhoods to make Atlanta more 573 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: attractive for all the international media coverage and tourism. 574 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 4: Back to the external image of the city versus what's 575 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 4: really going on. I mean, she didn't sweet for all 576 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 4: black folks here. I was traveling around the country last 577 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 4: summer and this lady in Philly was saying she wanted 578 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 4: to move to Atlanta because black folks had it better 579 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 4: down here. And I'm no expert in Philly. That was 580 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 4: only my second time out there for real, but I 581 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: can say that thirty six percent of black households in Atlanta, 582 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 4: that's over one. 583 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 3: Third, have a zero zero net worth. 584 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 4: And folks love to talk about Atlanta's black business, which 585 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 4: the city does have more black owned businesses than other places. 586 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 4: I will give y'all at but if we're keeping it 587 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 4: a buck, they don't solve the problems of poverty and 588 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 4: wealth inequality. Between ninety two and twenty twelve, black people 589 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 4: created two million businesses. Okay, those businesses captured zero point 590 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 4: three percent of the national sales revenue, and that was 591 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 4: down from the one percent they were capturing before. 592 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: But hey, even if you. 593 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 4: Are able to claw your way up to the upper 594 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 4: echelons of black society, remember the nineteen oh six race 595 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 4: right took place partly because white people were jealous of 596 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 4: black business owners getting too the money in, so they 597 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 4: burn their businesses. And whoop they asked. Even after Booker 598 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 4: t made the speech saying segregation was okay as long 599 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 4: as black people could live their second class citizen lives 600 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 4: in peace, the goalpost always changes. So while the black 601 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 4: elite business and political class may feel like they're doing 602 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 4: their big one now, history shows that white folks can 603 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 4: and will turn on you just it's like you turn 604 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 4: your back on the black masses that check that. 605 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: This one is my favorite, one favorite fly, Yeah, because 606 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: we do see it in media so much, and it's 607 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: one that black people Atlanta, outside of Atlanta and inside 608 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: of Atlanta love to perpetuate like it's black Hollywood. That 609 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: I think that's also part of this strope too. You know, 610 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: we literally do have a lot of filming happening here, 611 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: but that's not what black Hollywood has always referred to as. 612 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: Like before the tax incentives started coming in heavy like 613 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: they come in now, we were calling it black Hollywood 614 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: already because there are so many black celebrities. There's a 615 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: big hip hop culture here. There's a lot of more expensive, 616 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: fancy things that black people can do here than a 617 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: lot of other metro areas that have a lot of 618 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: black people in the United States. And it's tiring, especially 619 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: when you ain't rich and you hear like me. 620 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: Because you're just like, it's not true. 621 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: And I see it everywhere all the time, and I 622 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: think a lot of people think that that's aspirational, and 623 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: it's not always asked, at least not my idea of aspirational. 624 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: You know, I can only speak for myself and my 625 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: own perspective, but seeing the glitz and the glamour and 626 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: the large homes and all that on television, it's still, 627 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, not doing anything for 628 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: any of us here, and perpetuating the myth isn't doing 629 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: anything for any of us here, especially the people who 630 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: move here and end up saying I'm still struggling. Bro, 631 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm still here and I am still working a lot 632 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: of jobs. 633 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: To make enough money. Yeah. 634 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 4: I definitely think it is aspirational and like you're like, oh, well. 635 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: I saw this on TV. 636 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 4: Like, I really do. Think about the lady I met 637 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 4: in Philly a lot. I had went to this like 638 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 4: vegan restaurant, and you know, there's a lot of musclem 639 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 4: people in Philly, so it was like all muscle people 640 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 4: in there. I was the only one who didn't know 641 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 4: how to order. I was like, well, what you got. 642 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 4: I'm gonna just get what you guy. So we like 643 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 4: started up a conversation and she heard out from Atlanta. 644 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 4: She was so excited, like, Oh, I'm. 645 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 3: Gonna go there. I'm gonna give me a man, you 646 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: a man. 647 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: First of all, has she not hurt I'm about dating 648 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: in the city. I don't know nothing about it, but 649 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: you ain't gonna get you, all right, that's what I heard. 650 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: So she got hope. 651 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 4: It's because she's consumed media like a lot of us have, 652 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 4: that has shown Atlanta in this way. There's like, oh, 653 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 4: you should come here. Tyler Perry is good for the 654 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 4: myth of Atlanta. 655 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: Tell me about it. 656 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 4: It was darvy back back woman when she met that 657 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 4: bus driver. They were going out on the town. Okay, 658 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 4: she got her a good black man who loved her 659 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 4: and her kids, had a good job, was loving, she 660 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 4: had a auntie, was a nice house after she got 661 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 4: kicked out of that other house. And I'm not confusing 662 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 4: that there's so many question I see him up, but 663 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 4: he's good for perpetuating it. And I think it's like, 664 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 4: you know, this myth has its roots in like the 665 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 4: eighteen hundreds and then again in the nineteen sixties. At 666 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 4: this point, I feel like it's just like it's not 667 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 4: autopiolate a little bit, like you don't have to really 668 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: do much to continue to perpetuate it because it's just 669 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 4: like so steeped that everybody's like collective imagination, like this 670 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 4: is what this is. 671 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and people are still telling people, you know, as 672 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: we talked about before, you know, move to Atlanta. 673 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: But they're telling them to move to Atlanta. 674 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, the cost of living is low here, 675 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: but like you can live like a king, and you 676 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: can live like a key. 677 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 4: Can follow your dreams, which like, of course, like follow 678 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 4: your dreams. But yeah, I just feel like the myth 679 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 4: is holding the city back and it's holding people back. 680 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: Where do you think we would be if we didn't 681 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: have that myth? What do you think would have improved? 682 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 4: I think there would be more class consciousness and like 683 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 4: not people who are you know, aspiring like billionaires, like 684 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 4: temporarily embarrassed billionaires, you know, who just like don't guide it, 685 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 4: but like align themselves like politically with that class. You know, 686 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 4: it's like no, baby, like let's eat them. 687 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 3: Okay. 688 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 4: So I think that would be a huge difference. And yeah, 689 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 4: like just like more community focused and not so individual, 690 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 4: not like oh I'm I'm going to get up, I'm 691 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 4: going to eat I'm gonna be the next taller Perry. 692 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:56,959 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 693 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: It would be better if this myth didn't exist, because 694 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: people come here and try to flex. 695 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 3: They celebrity themselves. 696 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all appearance. It's all on the outside. 697 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: And I've heard stories of just about dating, about the 698 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: things people say on dates where they're trying to flex, 699 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: like they got stuff and then got it, and that's 700 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: shown very quickly when you like, you know, gott to 701 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: pay your own check or something like that. 702 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 4: You know what, everything would be better every if we 703 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 4: can get rid of these myths. I had to break 704 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 4: it down for four or four day, Like I said, 705 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 4: I do love the city. You know, we grew up here, 706 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 4: got our degrees here that are young adults and our 707 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 4: regular adult here. But yeah, I just think like Atlanta 708 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 4: as a missmaker is so interesting, Like the city itself 709 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 4: is a storyteller and is lie that's really interesting, just 710 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 4: like about the character of the city and like the 711 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 4: people who like call this place home and like living 712 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 4: in this like mysicical land but also in reality and 713 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 4: having that duality fight each other often. 714 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and going back to this idea of it coming 715 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: out of the ashes, it being a feed phoenix, it's 716 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: also done that is in its own image. It can 717 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: constantly recreate itself and its symbology, so it fits there too. 718 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 4: And now it is time for role credits, the segment 719 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 4: where we give credit to a person, place, or thing 720 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 4: that we encountered during the week eves. Who are what 721 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 4: would you like to give credit to today? 722 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: I would like to give credit to my yoga students. 723 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm a yoga teacher and I have been getting a 724 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: lot of new students lately and meeting up a lot 725 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: of new people and getting to know them and teaching 726 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: different kinds of people. And I just love getting to teach, 727 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: you know, this important practice and being able to pass 728 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: on the knowledge that I do have, and people come 729 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: to me and trust me in places that can be 730 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: so vulnerable because a lot of the students who are 731 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: coming to yoga practices are people who are everybody's going 732 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: through things, you know, everybody's bringing their own thing. We're 733 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: all going through things, but you know, coming there to 734 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: get better and to learn this practice that is a 735 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: practice toward liberation and freedom and getting in touch with 736 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: themselves and tapping in and you know, honoring their bodies. 737 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: And that's a really big job. And I'm grateful that 738 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: people trust me enough for me to hold that space 739 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: for them. 740 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 2: And also just the people that come to me. 741 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: They're all different, and they all have their own characters. 742 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: They tell me stories, and I just love being able 743 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 1: to connect with people in this way. And yeah, I'm 744 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: looking forward to continuing the relationships that I do have 745 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: and meeting so many more people along this path. 746 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,439 Speaker 3: Okay, hello, and shout out to all of easy Yoga 747 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 3: students who may be listening. 748 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 4: I would like to give credit to real niggas and 749 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 4: I am breathed. Okay for all of y'all still out there, 750 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 4: I would like to give credit to real niggas. Like 751 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 4: as we've seen this episode, a lot of people pretend 752 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 4: to be real niggas, put on the costume of a 753 00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 4: real nigga. 754 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 3: They and that's a real nigga, real nigga, real nigga. 755 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 3: I want to give you your credit. And on that note, 756 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 3: we'll see you next week. 757 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 2: Bye, y'all. 758 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 3: Bye. 759 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: On Theme is a production of iHeartRadio and Fairweather Friends Media. 760 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: This episode was written by Eves, Jeffco and Katie Mitchell. 761 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: It was edited and produced by Tari Harrison. 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