WEBVTT - The Silly Bastards Behind the Modern Fascist Movement 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:08.440 M hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, I just wanted to 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.840 explain that we're we've got kind of a weird week 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.200 going on. As you notice, we'll be dropping three episodes 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.279 this week, uh last week, two weeks ago by the 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.600 time you hear this. I went to unite the Right 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.759 two point oh the Nazi gathering in d C and 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.440 counter protested it with a bunch of people, um, other activists, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.120 And so rather than hosting this with a guest comedian, 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.600 I'm I'm hosting it with another house stuff Works host 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.960 bridget Todd, who hosts afropunk solution sessions and stuff Mom 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.520 Never told You, And I'm I'm there with a couple 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.040 of different DC based activists who we all sort of 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.280 marched and unite the Right two point oh together and 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.040 yield at Nazis together. So that's who I'll be with. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:49.080 It'll have a different feeld from a normal episode. So 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.400 we we included another normal episode this week so those 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.240 of you who just want the normal thing can get 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.000 the normal thing. And then we have this kind of 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.240 weird two parter about the modern fascist movement in the Marorca. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.760 So hopefully you'll like all of it if you don't. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.280 There should still be something for you here. Hey, everybody, 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.280 I'm Robert Evanson. This is Behind the Bastards, the show 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.080 where we tell you everything you don't know about the 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.319 very worst people in all of history. Now, normally we 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.200 record this story in a comfortable little recording studio in 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.720 Los Angeles, but this week I am in Washington, d C. 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.880 For Unite the Right two point oh, which has been 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.319 build a white civil rights rally by racists and a 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:29.800 fascist march on Washington, d C. By everybody else. I'm 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.759 here with a group of d C and and East 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.160 Coast in general locals, and we're all gonna be marching together. 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.920 Why don't you guys introduce yourselves. Hi, I'm Hanna Essenger. 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:42.240 I live in Roanoke, Virginia, and in my podcast is 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.559 The Kitchen Table Fault. And I'm here because I grew 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.600 up in this world and I'd like to fight against it. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.520 My name is Nick Wood. I was a marine, and 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.560 I also grew up in very conservative circles, and uh 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.960 I likewise, I feel the need to fight back again 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.480 my old people. Um. I'm Bridget Todd. I'm the host 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.400 of two podcasts on this very network. Stuff I've never 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.440 told you in Afropunk Solution sessions. I live here in 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.359 d C. And DC is my home, and so when 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.240 Nazis come to my home, I have to show them 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.440 they're not welcome. Yeah, and I just don't like Nazis. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.320 Uh So, so I've spent because I don't like Nazis, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.320 I've spent most of the last two weeks reading everything 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.480 they've said to each other on the Internet. So there's 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.919 this group of journalism collective called Unicorn Riot, and over 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.560 the last couple of years they have gotten dozens of 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.440 leaks of like huge chunks of chat logs between all 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.160 of these different far right groups, the Traditional Workers Party 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.600 uh and and anti comm and like groups that are 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.600 essentially Nazi groups. Um. So that's what this podcast is about. 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.480 We've taken all of their conversations. I've read them, I've 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.800 I've analyzed them. Uh And, so we're gonna be talking 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.040 today about the first post two thousand sixteen wave of 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.560 American fascist activists. Uh So, Yeah, I'm just gonna get 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.080 into it. Um. I'd like to give a start by 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.320 giving an overthrow view of the folks were talking about. So, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.720 the Traditional Workers Party or t w P, was a 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.679 far right group that was profiled in that New York 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.359 Times article A Voice of Hate in America's Heartland. Um, 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.960 that's the article that got widely panned for the New 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.799 York Times, basically giving a Nazi a big platform to 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.680 talk about being a Nazi. We've never done that before. Um. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.880 And the the t WP, like most of these groups, 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.639 claims not to support racism, but they also sold swatsticka 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.720 arm bands on their website, so you know, you can 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.200 make that judgment for yourself. They dissolved earlier this year, 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.640 not because the government rated them, but because their leader 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.040 was caught having sex with his spokesman's wife and his 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.040 spokesman was also his father in law. Uh. And so 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.720 the spokesman deleted their website. Uh. And yeah, but some 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:51.160 of these guys are still active. Yeah. I love that. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.040 Even though they're these like Nazis, they still have messy 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.880 personal and we'll be getting into that a little later. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:04.040 They all got messy, messy personal stuff, um the master. Yeah. 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.480 So Anti comm is another one of these groups, and 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.720 they're big source of a lot of the conversations I read. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.320 They were billed as a right wing counter to Antifa. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.600 I'm going to read a quote from their spokesman that 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.680 shows sort of how they marketed themselves to the world. 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.680 Quote from the beginning, We've attempted to make it clear 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.760 that though we defend free speech, we do not have 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.760 and will never have, an official political platform. We accepted 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.320 members regardless of ethnicity or gender, provided that they agree 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.120 with the cause and can satisfy the physical requirements to join, 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.280 although the political and racial makeup of our members varies wildly. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.120 We have Korean libertarians, gay and archo capitalists, Latino nationalists, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.120 and even some liberals interests. Our common mission has prevented 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.000 us from splitting over such political lines. That's all lies, 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:44.800 because you can read what these people said to each 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.320 other in private on discord, and it's stuff like freedom 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.159 of speech is merely a tool used to be able 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.400 to persuade the masses. We want to destroy anti FA 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.200 because they're Marxists. In this message from a guy named 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.120 King Bobo Man, I'm all for no race mixing, even 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.000 if it is fascist in practice. So as we'll get 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.960 into anti com was part of like an attempt to 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.320 sort of rebrand the far right as an opposition to 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.240 communism rather than a nationalist racist group. Racist. We have 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.440 black friends, Yeah, we have we have black friends. Look 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.280 at this, Look at this one guy who's not white 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.000 that we brought to the rally. Like, see, we're fine. Um. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.599 And a lot of them will admit behind closed doors 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.200 to being fascists, like this quote from February of two 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.920 seventeen from a user named Max and the Anti comm server. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.760 I'm both and cap and a fascist. I think either 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.520 can work, so I'd be okay with either. Which if 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.280 you're in anarchic any kind of anarchist, you can't also 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:41.120 be a fascist. They don't work together, guys, But they're dumb. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.359 These are all dumb. Um. Another big group of fascists 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.960 in our modern world, or the Oregon Nazis, they're not 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.200 one distinct group. Patriot Prayer is an Oregon based far right. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.240 I would call them fascist group. They're the people who 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.480 were just active in the big Portland protest um. They 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.479 had a discord server called Cascadian Coffee Company that was 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.280 a general all of the fascists and Oregon uh talk 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.760 on this channel, so we'll be hearing a lot from 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.960 them today. Um, there are a lot of groups we 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.200 could get into. Vanguard America is one the Nazi who 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.640 killed Heather Hair at Charlottesville last year was a member 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.800 of Van Guard America. UM. They split up recently into 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.960 Patriot Front identity Europa is basically a Nazi group, couched 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.040 and we're just proud to be European, but we also 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.560 want all immigration to end. Um. They were at Charlottesville too. 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:25.360 There's the League of the South, There's there's a lot 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:30.799 of different groups of racists in Europe. Yes, Richard Spencer 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.880 just got stopped from going, i think, to the Netherlands 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.640 to try to give a speech. Yeah. Yeah, well Europe, 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.560 Europe seeing what happens if you let Nazis march. It 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:45.040 doesn't end well. Um. So this brings us to Jason Kessler. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.880 He's the single person who best embodies the first wave 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.560 of modern American fascism. He graduated from the University of 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.000 Virginia in two thousand and nine with the BA and psychology. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.320 He seems to have been at one point a Democrat 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.279 who voted for Barack Obama. He claims to have been 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.640 at Occupy Wall Street in two thousand eleven. And in 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.000 my time and pouring through archived Nazi chats, I found 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.440 that a lot of fascist activists have a similar background, 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.440 and one conversation from last May, a user named Yarbal's 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.400 talked about his time with Occupy and said, back then, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.640 I just hated the banks in the Fiat system, not 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.840 the parentheses, parenthesis parentheses, banks in the parentheses parentheses parentheses, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.760 Fiat system, which is Nazi. When they when they put 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.480 three uh those marks on either side, it means they're 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.120 talking about Jewish people, Like that's one of the coded 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.680 phrases they have. So one of the weird things about 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.880 these guys that they try to hide from the right 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.480 wing activists that they're trying to like cozy up to 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.040 because they're trying to pull a lot more of the 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.640 American conservatives their way. But these guys are all pretty 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.680 anti capitalist because they're they're actual Nazis, Like they they 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.160 believe in having a strong social welfare system just for 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.200 white people, like that's part of why they want to 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.360 kick everybody else out. But they try to hide that 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.240 because they know that the modern American right wing won't 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.920 get on board with it. I don't know. Yeah, they're 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:06.040 also anti Marxist. This makes no sense. I mean, yeah, 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.280 I guess we'll talk about how good they are at 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.880 it in a little bit. So most of these guys, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.720 if you like, if you search through like the chats, 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.320 just search for the term red pilled um and it'll 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.520 you'll find a bunch of conversations where various Nazi activists 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:26.400 talk about how they first got radicalized, essentially, and almost 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.080 all of their journeys start on YouTube. Um. One of 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.480 the videos that I found a number of people commenting 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.000 on was called the Lion of Europe or Hitler the Lion, 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.360 and it gets removed a lot, but the video is essentially, uh, 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.280 it's edited like a movie trailer. It's like a little 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.440 four minute video and it starts with like a dramatic 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.840 voiceover and like clips from the movie three hundred and 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.960 clips from various World War two movies that show Nazis fighting, 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.640 interspersed with like Gears of War and video game clips, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:59.600 and there's like this voiceover talking about Uh. It's basically 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.559 it's it's it's telling like a what's the one I'm 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.600 looking for here? It's a guy giving a story that's 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.319 supposed to be Yeah, it's a propaganda piece, but it's 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.800 framed as like an apocryphal story about like a lion 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.600 fighting jackals, and obviously the jackals are supposed to be 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.560 everybody that's not white people. Yeah, it's exactly. I've heard 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.520 lion imagery used using conjunction with Trump too. Yeah yeah, 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.600 and that's like the they're not they don't veil it 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.520 that much. Yeah. So it's like one of the things 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.480 that's interesting to me is that this video and a 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.680 couple of other little videos I found, it's a mix 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.640 of like historical footage, movie footage, but also video game 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.600 clips because these guys are all gamers, Like that's a 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:44.560 huge recruiting ground for the farm. Their practice in gamer Gate, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.680 a lot of them did, if you so if you 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.000 search gamer Gate and the archives, you'll find a number 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.120 of people talking about having first like that was their 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.240 first experience and activism was gamer Gate. Um, and it 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.400 led a lot of them to the election, which the 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.440 term online and like alright, circles is the great meme war. Um. Yeah, 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.480 it's really like they're very lame. It's frustrating to have 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.360 to take the it's seriously now. Yeah. Well, and what's 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.440 funny to me is that the far right activists that 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.880 when they like the so the actual nazis the people 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.640 who are in the groups that will be marching today 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.040 Unite the Right two point. Oh. They tend to call 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.600 the r alt right the alt light and they make 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.160 fun of them too. Um, they don't like them, but 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.640 they see them as a recruiting ground. So like the 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:35.000 alt right hasn't been isn't like they're closer to where 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.640 these people want the Nazis, Yeah, yeah it is. It's 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:42.199 like r OTC. It's where their kids come up. Um. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:48.560 But there's also like, uh, where is it? Um. You'll 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:53.160 also find like frustration expressed from far right activists about 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.560 gamers and stuff, Like I found quotes from a couple 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.480 of people like complaining that their discord chat had a server, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.880 had like a chat room for video games, but didn't 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.000 have anything focused on exercise and weightlifting and fighting. And 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.760 he was like like, we're focused, Like you guys are 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.880 too big and nerds basically, and you're making us look 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:11.760 bad because you come out to these protests and your 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.520 chubby and like, you don't look good in your armor. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.520 You don't look scary, you don't look like the master 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:21.959 race like the Nazi. Yeah, even Nazis don't like Nazis. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.160 You end up looking like a third string Ninja Turtle. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.520 Mm hmm. So um. Back to Jason Kesler a little bit. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.120 He's the guy who organized Unite the Right, the original 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.679 Unite the Right rally um, which was the second rally 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.200 that Nazis had carried out in Charlottesville. There was a 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.160 few weeks before Unite the Right, like a torchlent march 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.120 um that was sort of the precursor to, uh, the 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.199 first bloody Charlottesville battle. And he's the guy who organized 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.719 this most recent thing. He also used to write for 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.160 a website called The Daily Caller, which is owned by 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.760 Tucker Carlson and it's the home of Ben Shapiro on 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:59.280 the Internet. I've heard of these Oh good have you been? 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.720 Have you? Have you personally attacked by benchfu? Yeah, you 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.120 know you're a so and so and DC like left 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.679 you advising when they did he afree your money to 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.840 debate him. I wish. I mean, you know, he is 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.280 the kind of person that has to pay money to 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.560 get a woman to talk to him. And so Jason 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.720 Kessler used to write for yeah, the Daily collar the 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.640 same site he did, and he got to write about 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.600 the first Charlotte skill rally for them, which now and 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.480 and and in all fairness, the Daily Callers editor at 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.800 the time, Paul Connor, said that the story he wrote 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.040 was factually accurate and plainly stated what happened. And when 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.960 I say he plainly or when Paul Connor says he 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.680 plainly stated what happened, what he means is that Kessler 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.240 said that the torch lit march was visually striking and 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.800 then conspicuously quoted a black person who praised the marchers 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.960 as being good people. Um, so that's that's that's a 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.080 factually accurate and plainly stated version of the events of 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.320 that march. Um. But they didn't note the fact that 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.360 he had organized the rally, which you should do as 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.720 a journalist. If you organize a rally and then report 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.760 on it could be considered one you're certainly supposed to 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:09.360 let people know. Seems like it might be one ethics man. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.960 and if you're if you're a fascist organizer, you should 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.880 probably let people know that too before you report on 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.640 a fascist gathering, and don't mention any of the fascism um, 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.680 which he did not. Uh Now. Also, in fairness to 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.280 the Daily collar they pulled Kessler's articles and ended their 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.040 relationship with him. Once it became very clear to the 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.360 entire world that Jason Kessler was a Nazi fascist. Yeah, 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.719 because he was an open Nazi instead of just a 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.920 wink wink nod nod Nazi. And that's we'll be getting 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.880 into the wink wink not not part a couple of 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.960 points in this, But that is an important thing is 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:46.400 that like these guys, their whole goal is to get 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.200 the rest of the right on board with them and 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:53.000 essentially pull moderate conservatives further to the right. And there's 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.360 a substantial amount of evidence that that's worked. I mean, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.280 Laura Ingram just got on Fox News and made comments 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.320 about how like an immigration is changing the nature nature 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.560 of the country and we're losing our culture and stuff, 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.400 was like and we didn't vote for this, yes, which 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:17.640 actually did so. Um a little bit back to some history. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.160 Right after that march that Jason Kessler covered in The 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.600 Daily Caller UH next month, in June of two seventeen, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.120 Kessler started a Facebook group to try to plan the 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.880 Unite the Right rally UM and he started going around 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.280 online and in person to a variety of different fascist 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.000 activist groups. He made contact with Richard Spencer, Matthew Heinbach 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.240 of the Traditional Workers Party the League of the South. 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.360 He also became a member of the Proud Boys, which 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.160 is a group funded and founded by vice co founder 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.560 Gavin McGinnis. Uh Now, Jason Kessler's goal seemed to have 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.240 been to make himself a bridge between the disparate rings 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.400 of wings of the alt right. He basically wanted to 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.440 be like the central spoke in the Nazi wheel. That's 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.160 kind of how he was trying to set himself up 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.200 as and that was the goal of the Unite the 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.960 Right rally. It was a heady time to be a fascist, hm. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.680 It was a heady time to be a fascist activist 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.040 because Donald Trump had just gotten elected, the alt right 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.320 was in the news, and these guys kind of figured, well, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.360 now is the time for us to tip our hands 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.920 and to get into politics and just see where the 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.200 waters are. So they were hoping that Unite the Right 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.400 would be like a coming out party for the political 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:23.040 far far far fascist right of the Nazis. Exactly. It 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.360 was the Nazi Debutante Ball, and of course it was 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:30.000 an incredibly bloody ship show. Um. Yeah, that's what nazis. 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.400 That's the only thing Nazis do. Um. And at the 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.200 time it was widely seen as a disaster for the 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.920 white national movement, or that that was that's debatable. It 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.520 was definitely a disaster, a disaster for Kessler who got 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.600 dropped from the Daily Wire and disavowed as a proud 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.880 boy when he became, you know, famous for being a racist. Uh. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.920 There was a court case levied against him, which is 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:52.560 still in process. Signs versus Kessler. Uh. It's basically alleges 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.400 that Kessler and other organizers including Richard Spencer and Matthew 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.960 Hinbach had been part of quote, a direct conspiracy to 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.800 commit violence. Um. Now, they obviously claim this was a 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.400 peaceful rally was just for political purposes, but the things 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.560 that they set online and discord and on Twitter, um, 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.920 even in the open, sort of bellayed that The anti 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.120 com official Twitter, like right before Charlottesville tweeted a picture 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.520 of Hitler and several leading Nazis in an open topped 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.360 car and the text on the image read, get in, loser, 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.840 We're invading Charlottesville. Yeah. It seems like a pretty clear 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.080 Yeah Hitler in a in a truck, Yeah, with a 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.440 bunch of Nazis around him, Like he's not He's definitely 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.200 not going anywhere for like, they're not going shopping, yeah, refling. Yeah, 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.560 Hitler didn't go places to not be violent. Yeah. So 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.280 one of the saving graces of the modern fascist movement, 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.640 at least from the perspective of the rest of us 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.560 and were fascists, is that they kind of lack in 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.640 self control. Um, they're obsessed with violence and racism, and 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.280 they have trouble hiding it. Well, that doesn't stop them 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:52.240 from trying. Um, they have a focus on what they 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.320 call entryism, which is basically trying to find ways to 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.040 get normal right wingers on board with their extreme ideas. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.840 So that yeah, red pilling is another term you'll here 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.240 used for it. Um. And there's the like, there's a 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.720 one of the discord channels leaked to unicorn Riot was 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.640 a hashtag belt tag Beltway Bigots, which is a chat 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:14.520 room for d C and Virginia based bigots. Uh. Here's 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.040 a quote from Unicorn Riots sort of summing up those conversations. 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.639 Local Charlottesville Unite the Right organizer Jaslyn Kesler Jason Kesler 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.359 repeatedly post and Beltway Bigots about his intention at various 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.040 events to try and provoke anti fascists into a violent 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.959 confrontation that could be spun as an attack against regular conservatives. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.320 So that's their goal with these marches. Um, and here's 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.320 a direct quote from Kessler himself. We're going to be 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.000 triggering anti fat to protest and force the Alt Light's 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.159 hand just where your Maga hats and blend in his 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.679 proud boys. It'll be fun. So their stated goal is 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.679 to blend in as more moderate conservatives so that if 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.160 there are fights with anti Fat it looks to mainstream 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:59.480 conservatives like basically radical communists are ganging up on normal conservatives. 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.280 The dual purpose of putting the Alt Light in a 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.160 situation where they're suddenly in violence and then it creates 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:10.119 that US versus them exactly. M yeah. And it also 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.439 makes it easier for the fascists to go out and 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.240 march in public. Yeah yeah. Here's a quote from an 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.720 user in one of these channels who said, I love 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.320 LARPing as a normal Trump bro, not even kidding. It 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.080 allows me to feel kind of normal rather than a revolutionary. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.200 Of course, I never deny being a white nationalist, which 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.280 again they'll admit white nationalism because they think they can 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.520 get away with that right now, which I guess maybe 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:37.159 they can. Uh. Here's another quote from Kessler in the planning. 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.119 Bring your Maga hats if you've got them. If Anti 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.520 fall Fox with us, it'll look like average Trump supporters 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:46.879 and Alt Light are under attack. Um So. On July eleven, seventeen, 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.000 Jason Kessler went to a Charlottesville town hall to talk 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:50.600 about Unite the Right and make it clear he was 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.719 not associated with the loyal white Knights of the ku 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.840 Klux Klan who just toasted a rally in Charlottesville. He said, 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.439 I didn't want them here. As a note, he's going 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:03.159 to be marching with the KKK today. Uh. He's clearly 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.159 no longer disavowing them. Um But on June, in a 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.400 private discord chat, eleven days after he disavowed the KKK, 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.920 Jason Kessler said this, the Confederate flag is the best 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.840 optics because it's beloved by legions of Southerners who are 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.879 on the doorsteps of becoming just like us. If we 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:23.440 can move them beyond heritage not hate. So again, like 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.960 the they know they can't. They know marching with swastika's 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.520 is a bad idea, but they figure if I march 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:33.480 with a Confederate flag, then I can get people who 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:38.120 maybe aren't full on Nazis, but who you know, are 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.879 proud of their Confederate heritage for some reason on board 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.879 with my Nazis. I think he's underestimating Southern manners. What 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.240 do you mean, Ah, the heritage and I hate people 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:54.520 don't like fighting. Well, I mean that's optimistic then I 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.520 hope so like not all of them, but definitely there's 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:02.600 a there's definitely a manners system in place that the 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:07.840 ugly fighting offense well, and that's they do. They do 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:11.840 talk a lot about how they should represent themselves and 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:16.560 how they should sort of present themselves to the public. 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.480 Like there's a lot of focus on not dressing like soldiers, 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.160 which they were early on, not wearing like military body 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.359 arm or not wearing camouflage. A lot of people focus 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.840 on like, we're white polo shirts dressed nicely because then 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.639 you will look like a nice, polite member of society. 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.760 And again it's all about in treatism. It's because after 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.440 after Charlottesville last year, I was campaigning with for Northam 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.560 in Roanoke, and I had a lot of people who 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.639 have been moderate Republicans were like, well, that was just 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.879 really ugly so we're going to vote Democrat for governor 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:49.760 this time around because we don't want this kind of 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.160 thing happening again. And it was the the optics of 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:57.679