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Speaker 1: And we welcome you in to episode three of the

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Speaker 1: Best Podcast Available, otherwise known as the b p A.

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Speaker 1: It is Gibbs. It is Gribbs, is Nick Shook New

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Speaker 1: Brown's what's the title? Because now you guys are just

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Speaker 1: talking about before we started, Let's go with He's he's

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Speaker 1: essentially our staff writer in house. We call a little differently,

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Speaker 1: but he's he's our beat guy multimedia. You've handled myself

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Speaker 1: quite well on Brown's Daily. We'll do a little bit everything.

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Speaker 1: There you go. I like it, Nick Shook joining us

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Speaker 1: here for the first segment. Here. Coming up on today's podcast,

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Speaker 1: Gribbs goes one on one with Joe Thomas, who is

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Speaker 1: a part of NFL Network's coverage of the Combine. He'll

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Speaker 1: be with the offensive lineman on Friday, and some great

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Speaker 1: stories from him on his Combine experiences and a little

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Speaker 1: story with Hank Freeley his NFL Draft experience. I always

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Speaker 1: wondered what players do during the draft because that's this

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Speaker 1: is the sensitive time of year for on roster players.

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Speaker 1: They're just hearing about how all how great these new

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Speaker 1: it's every player is different when it comes to the draft,

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Speaker 1: and Hank Freely had quite an approach well. Also here

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Speaker 1: from NFL Networks, Bucky Brooks moving up in the NFL

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Speaker 1: network world. Obviously when Mike Mayock becoming a GM, Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah moves up to that number one draft guru slot,

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Speaker 1: but Charles Davis and Bucky Brooks both getting a lot

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Speaker 1: more FaceTime on the television UH and on NFL Networks

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Speaker 1: media platforms, and looking forward to hearing from him. UH.

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Speaker 1: He's got some interesting takes and some interesting views on

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Speaker 1: this year's draft, especially when it comes to the quarterback position. Nick,

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Speaker 1: this is not your first rodeo here at the NFL Combine,

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Speaker 1: not not at all. Give me a takeaway from John Dorsey,

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Speaker 1: where if you like the guy and are enamored enough

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Speaker 1: with him, what he does here probably doesn't matter. I

431
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Speaker 1: think the logic of not throwing makes sense if you

432
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Speaker 1: think you're going to get upstaged, or if you know

433
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,160
Speaker 1: this is an environment in which you cannot control the circumstances.

434
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Speaker 1: They're gonna put you through a regiment and you know

435
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,119
Speaker 1: you have to make this throw, this throw that through.

436
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 1: I was surprised last year that Josh Allen through just

437
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 1: because there were issues with his short accuracy, and it

438
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 1: was actually obvious in his in his workout, and yet

439
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Speaker 1: he still win the top ten and had an alright

440
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Speaker 1: for a year. So I mean, I think it's somewhat

441
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Speaker 1: irrelevant ultimately because these guys are still gonna throw their

442
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Speaker 1: pro day. The only time it really matters to me

443
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 1: is when they're injured, and then you're, well, okay, let's

444
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Speaker 1: see if he could throw with whatever shoulder injury or

445
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 1: whatever he's got. That's not the case here, and he

446
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 1: would probably be held to a probably an unfair level

447
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: of scrutiny here since he is the star of the combine,

448
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 1: like there's no even close second this year, whereas Baker

449
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: had was surrounded by a bunch of different guys, and

450
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: I think he would be the guy that everyone would

451
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Speaker 1: be watching, and no matter what he did, it probably

452
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Speaker 1: would not live up to what the expectations were. I remember,

453
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Speaker 1: going back to last year, it was all about Donald

454
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Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I mean, it really was Donald

455
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Speaker 1: and it was Alan and it was just what's Baker

456
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Speaker 1: going to say at the podium, And then Baker came

457
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Speaker 1: to the podium and you were like, hmm, okay, that's interesting.

458
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Speaker 1: But It's crazy though, Like when you brought up Donald,

459
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Speaker 1: I don't even remember him not throwing at the comment. No,

460
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Speaker 1: like it didn't even it didn't. And I just felt

461
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Speaker 1: like a big deal at the time, but it didn't

462
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Speaker 1: even didn't. It is just crazy how the first weekend

463
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Speaker 1: in March, we were thinking it was Sam Donald one,

464
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen too, maybe Lamar Jackson three some people, and

465
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Speaker 1: other people had Baker three or four in that list,

466
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Speaker 1: and two months later, the number one pick in the

467
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Speaker 1: draft is one Baker Mayfield. You know what's wild about

468
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Speaker 1: this whole process to me? And I don't know if

469
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Speaker 1: this is just like my own opinion that I just

470
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Speaker 1: see from afar or whatever, but I feel like we

471
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: spend so much time in evaluating these guys that we

472
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Speaker 1: sometimes lose the initial value of watching their game. I

473
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Speaker 1: mean simply watching their game week by week and watching

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Speaker 1: how they perform in the situations and the opportunities that

475
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Speaker 1: they're granted. And we well, he's got the he's got

476
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Speaker 1: the big arm, or he's he's prototypical size, or he's

477
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Speaker 1: too small or whatever it is, and we forget that

478
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are still making plays and

479
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Speaker 1: and and I think we break him down too much

480
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Speaker 1: and on the pecking order, it gets all skewed right now,

481
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Speaker 1: the first two weeks of April, it becomes silly season

482
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Speaker 1: because you have dissected this kid or these kids to

483
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Speaker 1: the point where one little thing that they did three

484
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Speaker 1: out of four times is considered a tendency and they

485
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Speaker 1: could drop. And then we watched some teams fall victim

486
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Speaker 1: to it, and other teams bring clarity of the situation.

487
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Speaker 1: There's two examples of this, both of offensive tackle and

488
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Speaker 1: it goes both ways. This time last year, people were

489
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Speaker 1: just killing Orlando Brown like he had an awful combine,

490
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Speaker 1: which was I remember at the time, I said, I

491
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Speaker 1: do judge a person for having that poorly of a combine,

492
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Speaker 1: because it's a test you've known you're gonna have for months.

493
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Speaker 1: So it's a matter of you can judge them on

494
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Speaker 1: how they prepared themselves for the combine. But he probably

495
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Speaker 1: fell a little bit in the draft because of it.

496
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Speaker 1: But now he's he's in a good situation. He's gonna

497
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Speaker 1: be a good, good NFL player. He produced, he was

498
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Speaker 1: a great college player, it just didn't measure out well.

499
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Speaker 1: And another one that's close to home for us I

500
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Speaker 1: think is Greg Robinson. He had a great college career

501
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Speaker 1: at Auburn, but he was a stud at the combine

502
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Speaker 1: and I think that's what really vaulted him into that

503
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Speaker 1: top top discussion where he was probably overdrafted and put

504
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Speaker 1: in a situation where he had to go in and

505
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Speaker 1: produce right away. Didn't live up to the expectations, but

506
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Speaker 1: it was a result of him running like a four

507
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Speaker 1: eight forty for this huge offensive tackle. And you know what,

508
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Speaker 1: let's talk to Let's talk about Greg Robinson real quick,

509
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Speaker 1: because I feel like his signing. You have Desmond Harrison.

510
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Speaker 1: I mean, you do have all five of your starters

511
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Speaker 1: back on the offensive line and technically and backups too. Yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: we'll hear from Bucky Brooks a little bit later. I'm

513
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Speaker 1: interested to get his take on the offensive line. But

514
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Speaker 1: I wonder how much of a priority the offensive line

515
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Speaker 1: has become on day one or even day two, and

516
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Speaker 1: is it more day three an emphasis. It's interesting cause

517
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Speaker 1: I can go both ways. Like Nick said earlier, this

518
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Speaker 1: offensive tackle class just like shapes up particulally for that

519
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Speaker 1: number seventeen. Pick where where where You're like where if

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Speaker 1: you're truly drafting the best player available. I mean, it

521
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Speaker 1: might just be a tackle and if that, if so,

522
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Speaker 1: if you stick to best player available, it might be

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Speaker 1: a tackle. But then I look at you've got your

524
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Speaker 1: offensive line set. You just resigned Greg Robinson, who I

525
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Speaker 1: think we with watching Greg Robinson, believe it much more

526
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Speaker 1: than maybe some of these national analysts who are still

527
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Speaker 1: skeptical that he's going to be the guy. Then you

528
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Speaker 1: come you have a Green Bay Packer kind of based

529
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Speaker 1: organization here which year after year turns these late round

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Speaker 1: picks into starters. You have the offensive line coach James Camping,

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Speaker 1: who has a reputation of doing that. Do you really

532
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Speaker 1: then use a first round pick on a tackle when

533
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Speaker 1: you're hoping to get a starter. I mean, that's what

534
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Speaker 1: you want out of your first round. So I go

535
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Speaker 1: back and forth with it. I Uh, the Robinson signing

536
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Speaker 1: really hasn't changed my thoughts on it. I'm still fifty

537
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Speaker 1: fifty that it could happen. I thought the Robinson signing

538
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Speaker 1: was a no brainer because you have to bring a

539
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Speaker 1: guy like that back, who has that obvious talent and

540
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Speaker 1: seems to have not had the opportunity beyond his first

541
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Speaker 1: couple of years in st Louis to really prove that.

542
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Speaker 1: And some guys, you know, their maturation processes slower than others.

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Speaker 1: But he's got the attributes you want. You know, he's

544
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Speaker 1: got light feet, it's got powerful hands, long arms, and

545
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: he's very stout. I mean when he gets engaged by

546
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: edge rushers, he doesn't move, he doesn't give up ground,

547
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Speaker 1: and it was evident in every game that he played

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Speaker 1: for the Browns this year. So that seemed to solve

549
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Speaker 1: it for now. But you know, like Andrew said, those

550
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Speaker 1: prospects are there, and it makes you think, well, what

551
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: down the road, because you know John talked about today,

552
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Speaker 1: we're talking about down the road. We're talking about building

553
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: for the future, not just this year, years down the road.

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Speaker 1: What do they want to do with the other tackle

555
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Speaker 1: position and do they want insurance at the left tackle

556
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Speaker 1: position because Greg's on a one year deal, so there

557
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Speaker 1: is still some intrigue to that. But yeah, I think

558
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Speaker 1: at some point in this draft, maybe in the first

559
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Speaker 1: three rounds, you might see a tackle go to them.

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Speaker 1: You're right, it does shape up really well. It's seventeen,

561
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Speaker 1: it really does. I mean, we we talked about best

562
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Speaker 1: player available, best podcast available. Yeah, I would have a

563
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: tough time after watching him for the last three years.

564
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Speaker 1: If a guy like Jonah Williams is there, I mean,

565
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you pass them up. That could

566
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Speaker 1: play out any spot on the offensive line for you

567
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: know you You just got that in Austin Corbett, but

568
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Speaker 1: ultimately he was any spot on the offensive line, which

569
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Speaker 1: is now basically basically it's down to three spots in

570
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Speaker 1: the offensive line after you brought him in the building.

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Speaker 1: But I think Corbett is still a part of your

572
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Speaker 1: future at one of those spots on the interior line,

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Speaker 1: And now I think maybe you do you could do

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Speaker 1: the same at the tackle position draft even if you

575
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Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna play much that first year. You're

576
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Speaker 1: building for the future. Guys, appreciate it. Nick, welcome on board.

577
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Speaker 1: Looking forward to have you on here. Uh as we

578
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Speaker 1: get a little bit further into this whole draft process

579
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Speaker 1: and maybe things start to become a little clearer as

580
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Speaker 1: we work our way towards April in the two thousand

581
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Speaker 1: l draft. Definitely, thanks for having me on. Really excited

582
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Speaker 1: about it. Definitely we're excited to have you on board.

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Speaker 1: Coming up. You're here from NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Right now, though, my guy Andrew Gribble sits down with

585
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Speaker 1: Joe Thomas to talk about his combined experiences, a little

586
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Speaker 1: look ahead to the NFL draft class this year when

587
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Speaker 1: it comes to offensive lineman, and a couple of stories

588
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, Joe's seen a lot and he's he's

589
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: been through one draft, but he's an experienced many as

590
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: a player. Some really good stuff from Joe, who's he's

591
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: just growing in this in this this media world. He's

592
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: latching onto now. We're all campaigning for him to get

593
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football too. Might be a candidate. Now here's

594
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Speaker 1: Joe Thomas and Andrew grib I have a listen. It's

595
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: been about twelve years since you were at the NFL combine.

596
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Speaker 1: Is that? Is that correct? It's somewhere in that ballpark,

597
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: so somewhere. Let's see two thousand and seven was my

598
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: combine and two thousand nine. Yeah, it seems like pretty

599
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: good math. What do you remember most about that time

600
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Speaker 1: in your career? Honestly, I remember how stressful and how

601
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: much I hated the combine. It's it's such an important

602
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: job interview. It's over three days. They grind you into

603
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Speaker 1: a pulp. Over those three days, you know, five am

604
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: to ten eleven, twelve midnight, and you've got to be

605
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: on your game the entire time because you're constantly being evaluated.

606
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: You're constantly being pulled in a bunch of different directions

607
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: by different teams that want to talk to you. And

608
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of mind games that go on different teams,

609
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: of different ways of evaluating draft picks, but a lot

610
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: of teams they want to put you in uncompromising positions,

611
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 1: whether that's physically making you uncomfortable or asking you questions

612
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: that make you really uncomfortable because they want to see

613
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: how you react under pressure. So it's a very pressure filled,

614
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: anxiety driven three or four days. And when you go home.

615
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: I remember I slept for like twelve hours that first

616
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Speaker 1: night because I was just so physically and mentally exhausted.

617
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Speaker 1: What's the toughest part, Honestly, it's the mental part, because

618
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: the physical part was almost a relief. You've got to

619
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: go out there and show what you have as an athlete.

620
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: You've got to do these tests that you've been preparing for.

621
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Speaker 1: You got to go through all the drills that you've

622
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: been working on, and it was being an athlete. Again,

623
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: that's what you're used to doing. UM, But all the

624
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: different interviews where they're trying to grill you about playbooks

625
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: and remembering people's names and all these psychological tests they

626
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: put you through. There, they're trying to make you crack.

627
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: And it's your job to remain composed and to handle

628
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: yourself as professionally as possible. But you know how high

629
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: the stakes are and it's very very pressure packed and

630
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: it's extremely uh anxious situation. I know they have trainers

631
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: for everything right now with guys at the combine. Did

632
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Speaker 1: you go through any of that and did is there

633
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Speaker 1: any way you can prepare for that mental grind? You know?

634
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Speaker 1: I was a little bit different than most guys where

635
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: I just decided to stay in train in Madison, where

636
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: I had gone to school, because I felt like those

637
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: guys knew me the best, UM, they were going to

638
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: do the best job of kind of keeping my life

639
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: pretty much the same. I didn't want to go fly

640
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Speaker 1: off somewhere else and have to deal with the distractions

641
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Speaker 1: of moving and training in a place with unfamiliar people.

642
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Speaker 1: And I felt like a lot of guys that go

643
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Speaker 1: to Florida on Arizona and they use it like a

644
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Speaker 1: vacation almost And for me, I was training for the combine.

645
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to do my best at the combine. I

646
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: wanted to put my best foot forward. But for me,

647
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: I didn't want to lose sight of the fact that

648
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: I was still training for my first NFL season because

649
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: I had hoped that I could be the starter from

650
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: day one wherever I was drafted, and I needed to

651
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: train in the off season like I was gonna go

652
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: play football. I wasn't training just to run the forty

653
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: or to do offensive lineman drills or to do the

654
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: vertical jump. I wanted to still make sure I was

655
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: training to be a football player so that after I

656
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: got drafted, I was ready to play football again. What's

657
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: the one drill at the combine that is most important

658
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: for an offensive lineman? Like, what is the most reflective

659
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: of how good you are actually are as a player?

660
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: You know? I would say just watching an offensive lineman

661
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: move is really important because you can tell a lot

662
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: about the type of athlete they are and if they're

663
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 1: going to be able to translate to being an NFL

664
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. But as far as the measurable metric, I

665
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 1: think the broad jump the vertical jump. Those are two

666
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: tests that tell you what type of an explosive athlete

667
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: you're dealing with. Um, If a guy is able to

668
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: move his body quickly through the air with a jump,

669
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: broad jump or vertical jump, that proves that they can

670
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: create power. They can create energy from the ground up,

671
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: which is what being an offensive lineman is all about.

672
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: Did you meet with the Browns at the combine? I

673
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: think I did. They were holding the third pick at

674
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: the time, and I'm pretty sure I met with them.

675
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: There was I don't know, maybe seven or eight teams

676
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: that had specific interviews and specific time slot where you

677
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: go to these hotel conference rooms and you sit in

678
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: there with all the coaches, and you sit in there

679
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: with the management and some of the scouts, and they

680
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: put you on the grease board and you have to

681
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: write up plays and you have to remember things. And

682
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that I met with the Browns. But

683
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: then you also have they call this place called the

684
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: train station, where it's like this big cafeteria area where

685
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: when you don't have specifically timed interviews with different teams,

686
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: you basically just hang out in the train station and

687
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: wait for different team's scouts to just come over and

688
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: grab you literally physically by the arm and pull you over.

689
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: And then you go sit with an assistant coach or

690
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: a scout from a team, and then they just kind

691
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: of grill you and they go through all their different

692
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: questions on their list so that they can write their

693
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: report back to their superior about you as a player.

694
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Do you remember anything for about talking with the Browns?

695
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: Are what is the first point in time where you

696
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: remember connecting with the Browns and maybe thinking you could

697
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: come here. So, actually, the first point I remember connecting

698
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: with the Browns was in Mobile, Alabama at the Senior Bowl.

699
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: I didn't participate in the Senior Bowl. At that point,

700
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: it already been considered the unanimous first offensive lineman, so

701
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like going to the Senior Bowl was

702
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: going to help my draft status. It was going to

703
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: interrupt my training, potential injury, and then all you can

704
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: really do is if you screw up or you don't

705
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: have a good week, you could hurt your stock. So

706
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: at that point, it was more important for me to

707
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: go to the Senior Bowl, which I went with my agent,

708
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: Peter Schaefer. But I just had the opportunity to meet

709
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: the different coaches and the general managers. And I remember

710
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: are very vividly sitting down at one of the great

711
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: restaurants in Mobile, Alabama with Phil Savage, who was the GM.

712
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: It was just me and Phil and my agent, and

713
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: we just talked and we had some some oysters and

714
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: some some good Southern food, and I got a chance

715
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: to meet him then, and that was really the first

716
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: time that I got to connect with the Browns. So

717
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: do you think for other players, is this the point

718
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: in the process where they're starting to figure out where

719
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: they might go or is it still so much up

720
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: in the earth at that point. Yeah, really, nobody has

721
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: any idea. Even the people that say they know it's

722
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: usually crap because there's so many smoke signals that go

723
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: out right now, and for the most part, right now,

724
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: they're just gathering information. Even the decision makers, which is

725
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: usually one or two people in an organization, usually it's

726
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: a GM or the president of the head coach. Even

727
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: they don't know who is who they're going to draft.

728
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: So if anybody tells you how I think you're gonna

729
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: go here, there, they got no idea because all it

730
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: takes is one trade, especially at the top of the

731
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: draft and then all the order completely changes and you

732
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: have no idea where somebody's going to end up. Just

733
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: kind of looking ahead, you're you're gonna be at the

734
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: Combine this year, maybe your first. Is it your first

735
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: time back since you participated it will be. I'm yeah,

736
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm excited to go back, especially because there won't be

737
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: the pressure on me to perform like there used to be.

738
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: But I'm excited to see how much it's changed. I

739
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: know they let fans there now and they didn't when

740
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: I was there, and just get a chance to meet

741
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: some of the prospects and watch them work, see what

742
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: the next crop of NFL talent looks like. I'll ask

743
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: you this because you watch a little bit of college football,

744
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: and you know the game's changed so much since you've

745
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: been there. How tougher is it now for a left

746
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: tackle to come into the league and play these kind

747
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: of offenses based on what they're doing in college now.

748
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: It's very difficult because pro style techniques are not being

749
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: taught at the college level anymore. For the most part,

750
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: by and large, there's a few schools that still run

751
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: pro style offenses. I think about Michigan, I think about Wisconsin.

752
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: But for the most part, most of these offensive linemen

753
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: are going to be doing things completely different in the

754
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: NFL than what they do right now and call legends.

755
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: So you're basically learning how to walk all over again

756
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: when you go to the NFL. And I think that's

757
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: why there's such a big learning curve for college players,

758
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: especially aligneman right now going to the NFL, and there's

759
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: so much more for them to learn. And that's why

760
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: it's been such a struggle to pick and select offensive

761
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: lineman because you have to predict so much more about

762
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: if this guy can play in the NFL. You can't

763
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: just watch him do the things that he's gonna do

764
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: on Saturday, uh as he's gonna do on Sunday on Saturday,

765
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: because they don't do any of the same things anymore.

766
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: You're running these wide open spread offenses where all the

767
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: offensive linemen do is run left, run right, or set

768
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: back and pass protect for one and a half seconds

769
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: for a quick bubble screen or a quick throw down

770
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: the sideline. Um So it becomes really difficult. It's a

771
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: challenging job for today's scouts. It seems like a lot

772
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: of these guys are being they did something in college.

773
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Then the NFL projects him definitely when you look back,

774
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: or you're fortunate that you you got to do just

775
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: the straight left tackle to left tackle train position there. Yeah,

776
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm really fortunate playing at Wisconsin being in a pro

777
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: style offense using a lot of the same techniques. Now,

778
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: my my past blocking technique changed a lot throughout my career.

779
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: A lot of that was my own doing, just being

780
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: very analytical of what I'm doing and how I can

781
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: make you that better and the biomechanics and how I

782
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: understood that. But the run blocking techniques, what I did

783
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: in college is the same as what I did in

784
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: the NFL, and most guys don't have that. And it's

785
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: hard to learn run blocking techniques, especially in today's NFL,

786
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: because you don't get as many practices, you don't get

787
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: as much contact to learn those run blocking techniques as

788
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: you did when I was a rookie and um and

789
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: when I was in college. It seems like these NFL offenses, though,

790
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: are adjusting to almost to cater to these these college

791
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: players coming in and you're seeing maybe maybe trying to

792
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: make the transition a little bit smoother though with how

793
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: these are offensive running. Yeah, I think it's the natural

794
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: progression of things because more quarterbacks now are the quarterbacks

795
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 1: that can run in throw, so you have the dual

796
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: threat type quarterbacks, and so you're trying to develop off

797
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: senses that protect your quarterback but also given the opportunity

798
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: to showcase their talents, and so I think it'll also

799
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: makes sense to build an offense around teams that you

800
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: can get the talent from college that do those things,

801
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: rather than keep trying to force people, you know, the

802
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: square peg into the round hole, because over time it's

803
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: just a losing scenario because you're gonna miss out on

804
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: so many more prospects when you're projecting them to do

805
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: something different and then you have to teach them an

806
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: entirely new skill set in the NFL. I know you're

807
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: not mel Kuyper Jr. Or anything like that at this stage,

808
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: but you're looking at the Browns they're picking. I mean,

809
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: it's been a long time since you've been in that

810
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: position where they're that deep in the draft. But this

811
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: maybe brings back memories to your two thousand eight season,

812
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: coming off a season like that and then going in,

813
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: how how can a rookie class help a team that

814
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: feels like it's very close to to breaking through. Well,

815
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: ideally with your rookie class, you're gonna get a couple

816
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: of guys that are gonna coming right away and can

817
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: be starters, the contributors, and as a young player, you

818
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: hope that they can infuse some energy and some uh

819
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: new enthusiasm to an offense or a defense. And uh,

820
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, the Brons have a lot of draft picks.

821
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: I think they got what eleven picks this year right now,

822
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: ten picks um, So even though they're not picking as

823
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: high as they have been, they've got a lot of

824
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: assets and a lot of resources that they can either

825
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: combine to move up or if they want to move down.

826
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: So Dorsey is gonna have the flexibility to really find

827
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: those players. And they also have a much more talented

828
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: roster than we've had in a long time. So they

829
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: have the luxury of being able to take the best

830
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: player available at a lot of positions, which for the

831
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: most part prevents you from having to reach for positions

832
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: of extreme need. You were here so many times where

833
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: you had to rely on some of these rookies to

834
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: come in right away. I mean, how how different will

835
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: it be for this locker room to maybe not have

836
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: any of these guys be counted on right away. Bill

837
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: Parcel has always said that it takes a rookie a

838
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: lot of times three years before you know if they

839
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: can play in the NFL or not. And a lot

840
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: of times those rookies have to learn how to play

841
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL by sitting and watching, and that's the

842
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: best way for those players. And every player is different

843
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and so when you have to force

844
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: a young player into action before he's ready, it's that

845
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: sink or swim moment where that might ruin their career

846
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: forever because they'll never be able to recover if they

847
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: do sink. Whereas if you give if you have a

848
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: lot more talent on your team, and you give a

849
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: guy that's not ready, just an opportunity to sit and

850
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: watch and work on his craft behind the scenes so

851
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: that when it is his time in a couple of years,

852
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: he does have an opportunity to put his best foot forward.

853
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: Are you in the trust Dorsey with whatever camp with

854
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: this kind of draft or are there some positions where

855
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: you you could see them going early in the draft. Yeah,

856
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: I would always trust Dorsey. He's proven that he's a

857
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: man that knows what he's doing as a GM. UM.

858
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: But I think clearly they're gonna probably look best available,

859
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: which is what everyone always says. But the Browns, like

860
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: I mentioned, they truly have the ability to kind of

861
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: sit back and see what falls to them because they've

862
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: got a lot of the most important positions already checked

863
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: off the list. Quarterback, pass rusher, uh, cornerback. Those are

864
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: sort of your marquee positions that you always have to address.

865
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: And because the Browns aren't in dire need of any

866
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: of those positions, they're They're really fortunate because those teams

867
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: that do need them, they have the ability to swing

868
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: a deal and now they have leverage with all those

869
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: teams that need the quarterback, they need that pass rusher,

870
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: they need that cornerback. Um. But I still think I

871
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: would expect door See to kind of hone in on

872
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe defensive tackle. I could definitely see him taking a

873
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: defensive tack, maybe another pass rusher, because you never can

874
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: have too many good passershers. The same thing with secondary cornerbacks.

875
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: You never can have enough shutdown corners, especially when you

876
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: deal with injuries and stuff like that. You know, inside

877
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: linebacker that's a position that you expect they'll probably pick

878
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: a player you don't know where in the draft, but

879
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: um down the line, even if they're not somebody that's

880
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: going to play right away, you want to start developing

881
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: those guys for future years. Offensive line, you always want

882
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: to take an offensive line every year. It's a position

883
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: that takes a long time to develop, and you always

884
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: want to have somebody in the pipeline because you're always

885
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: going to have injuries. You're gonna have trades, You're gonna

886
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: have guys that leave in free agency. You're gonna have

887
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: guys that just retire, that just get too old to

888
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: do it anymore. And so you want to have that

889
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: healthy cupboard that's stocked, that's able to replace those guys

890
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: as they move on. And certainly that's what Dorsey is

891
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: gonna be thinking. As a player. When you were on

892
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: the team, did you watch the draft? All? I actually didn't. Um.

893
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: I remember hearing who we drafted occasionally because the quick story.

894
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: I was at Eric Steinbach, who was our left guard's wedding. Uh,

895
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: this is after my second year in the NFL. I

896
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: was with Hank Freeley. A bunch of the linemen were there.

897
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: We're in Chicago, and all of a sudden, Hank started

898
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: hammering beers at the at the wedding and we're like,

899
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? And he had just

900
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: gotten a message that the Browns had just drafted Alex

901
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: Mack in the first round. So Hank knew that his

902
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: days as a Brown were limited and he probably wasn't

903
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: gonna be the starter anymore. Because when you're a vet,

904
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: you know what it's like. When a team drafts a

905
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: first round pick at your position, that means they're trying

906
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: to replace you. And so I think, as an older

907
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: guy who maybe feels like you're on the bubble, those

908
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: are the guys that are going to be watching the

909
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: draft really closely to make sure that they don't pick

910
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: guys at their positions. Now that you're tired, that you

911
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: understand the draw of this event and why it's gotten

912
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger. I mean, as as a fan, it's

913
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: so exciting because this is the future of your franchise

914
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: and and the NFL has done a good job of

915
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: really pumping it up and marketing it and making it

916
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: a drama filled evening thanks to specifically the Aaron Rodgers,

917
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: the Brady Quinn, those guys that drop in the draft,

918
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: and they really do a good job of building the

919
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: drama around it, and um, I'm excited. I actually now

920
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: that I'm just a fan, I'm just fanboy and the Brown.

921
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to watch and see who they draft.

922
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: And I'm excited to find out about these these young

923
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: guys because they are the future. But when you're a player,

924
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: you realize that the flame outrate of draft picks is

925
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, fifty some percent. So rather than getting all

926
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,479
Speaker 1: wrapped up in your time of learning about these guys

927
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: that some of them might you know, not even make

928
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: the field. Uh Ever, on a Sunday, you've got better

929
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: things to do with your time. But as a fan,

930
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: there's nothing better than watching the draft. All right, that's

931
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: our own Joe Thomas with Andrew Cribble just a fantastic

932
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: behind the scenes look, really kind of giving you a

933
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: sense of, you know, what he's been through, what he's seen.

934
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: It's almost book material. Yeah, oh yeah, he's seen it all.

935
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to go back to that two thousand

936
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: seven draft. I was in college still, Gibbs, you were

937
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. What do you remember? I know that draft?

938
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: Everything was Brady Quinn stole the show with the moves

939
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: that the Browns made to go get Brady Quinn. But

940
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: was there even a reaction to Joe Thomas or was

941
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: just just just such a slam dunk automatic pick that

942
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: people are you know what, It wasn't a slam dunk

943
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: pick because Brady was out there and everybody was kind

944
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: of like, well, I think we all fought. You know,

945
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: we were looking at the Baltimore Ravens model at the

946
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: time and Ogden, you know, being the guy that really

947
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: was the cornerstone and really got things going. Because then

948
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: ray Lewis came and then you know, you showed that

949
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: you didn't need a stellar quarterback, You just need a

950
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: good quarterback that that didn't turn the football over and

951
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: you had a guy that was going to protect the

952
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: blind side. It was all about the blind side. So

953
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: when they took him, Browns fans were happy. Browns fans

954
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: were fine. But you know, I fired go back and

955
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: remember the NFL draft coverage itself of it. You know,

956
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: I mean, here's a guy that was on the phone

957
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: while he was on a boat and out fishing. So

958
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: you didn't know a lot about Joe other than the

959
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: fact that you knew he was a really good left

960
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: tackle from Wisconsin, and Wisconsin Breed's offensive linemen. So and

961
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: the most rand the thing that if you go back

962
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: and look at it, the moment that it was announced

963
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: that the Browns were taking Joe Thomas, a drunk guy

964
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: in the stands yelled out. Just as he paused to

965
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: say Joe Thomas, someone in the crowd yelled Jared Zabranski.

966
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that moment. And people who remember Jared

967
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: Zobranski was the quarterback at Boise State during that magical run.

968
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: Not an NFL player, a great college player. The Browns

969
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: are in the market for a quarterback. But I remember,

970
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: you remember we we unearthed the footage a couple of

971
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago on Cleveland Browns dot com

972
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: and I remembered it the day. I was watching it

973
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: at my house in college and my I remember we

974
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: were laughing hysterically at the time that someone yelled Jared Zabranski.

975
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I remember I was working for

976
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: ESPN Radio in Cleveland and we did. We did. The

977
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: draft was on a Saturday, yeah, I mean, and it

978
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: was Saturday and Sunday and the draft started at noon

979
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: and went to like eleven o'clock at night the first

980
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: three rounds, and then it was four through eight I

981
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: think I think it was eight rounds at the time,

982
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: and that was all day Sunday, so I mean it

983
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: was a gauntlet. And they drafted Joe Thomas. And then

984
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: you're watching Brady Quinn in the green room and you're

985
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: seeing everything that goes down, and I remember I was outside,

986
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: I was on a I was on a cell phone like, okay,

987
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do here? What are the next steps? Okay,

988
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna check in with Barria. And then I don't

989
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: even remember who I was on the phone with. That

990
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: was out brill and they just said, holy blank, the

991
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: helmet just changed. I almost dropped the phone. I was

992
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: on a dead sprint, and like everybody in the this

993
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: place was packed. It was wall to wall people. The

994
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: helmet changed. The place lost its mind, and they announced

995
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: it and grown men cried and everybody was like, you

996
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: got your quarterback and your left tackle. Well, I remember,

997
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: I think too. It was almost like people saw it

998
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: as a positive because it had just been a few

999
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: years before that it happened to Aaron Rodgers and then

1000
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: at that point, I think Aaron Rodgers was just starting

1001
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: to turn into a really good quarterback, and it's like, Oh,

1002
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: if this guy falls, he could just be the next

1003
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Didn't turn out that way, and then and

1004
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: then the next year, the best podcast available definitely could

1005
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: not have existed because the Browns didn't start picking until

1006
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: the fourth round. I don't know how we would get

1007
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: through an off season. Could you imagine? What would you

1008
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: talk about? And we would have to go back in time.

1009
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: What did people talk about after that? So I guess

1010
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: it was it was a good season question. Even even

1011
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: after the good season, there were questions, and it was, well,

1012
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: if you want to keep take the next step and

1013
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, you need players, and we're not picking

1014
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: until the fourth round. Yeah, and then he took bow Bell. Yeah,

1015
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: there was and then there were a lot of questions.

1016
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: That was a few too many people have been talking

1017
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: Browns fans talking the Browns need to go for it

1018
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: right now because Baker Mayfields Rickey deal that that's the

1019
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: cost of of going for it is what happened with

1020
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: that shaping up for the two eight Browns track. There's

1021
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: no need to sacrifice. We appreciate Joe Thomas's time. Great

1022
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: job by you on the interview. Very rarely do we

1023
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: do two interviews, but being that we are in Indianapolis

1024
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: and at the NFL Combine, it is a who's who

1025
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: walking around here and on Radio Row. We were lucky

1026
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: enough to get a few minutes with Bucky Brooks, the

1027
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: NFL network analyst and really moving up now in terms

1028
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: of the draft coverage, and he and Daniel Jeremiah do

1029
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: a great job with their coverage of the draft leading

1030
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: up with the Moving the Sticks podcast. Yeah, he's good,

1031
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: and I think that you'll see in our interview with him,

1032
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: he's in the camp that he's starting to think tackle,

1033
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: which might not be a popular bronze, but he's definitely

1034
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: on in that category where he thinks often too tackles

1035
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: a possibility. Seventeen. All right, here's NFL that works. Bucky

1036
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: Brooks with Andrew Gribble and myself have a listen. I'll

1037
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: ask you just in general the quarterback class here. It

1038
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: doesn't really apply to the Browns much at all, but

1039
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, I know Browns fans are rooting for as

1040
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks to go before number seventeen. What what do you,

1041
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: how do you gauge that group right now and the

1042
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: likelihood some of those guys being off the board by

1043
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: the time the Browns pick, I think too for sure

1044
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: we'll be gone. I think Dwayne Haskins and Kylin Murray

1045
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: and whatever order, I think they'll be off the board.

1046
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: I think the wild card of the group is obviously

1047
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: Drew Lock and where does Drew Lock go? Um overall,

1048
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: but the quarterbacks, I think the differences Last year you

1049
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: had a bunch of teams that were pressed and really

1050
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: needing a quarterback. This year, the need isn't as ready

1051
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: in apparent you have the New York Jacks who could

1052
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: take one, but they're still kind of infatuated with Eli Manning,

1053
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: so you don't know if they're really gonna put the

1054
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: trigger early. And then when you go behind them to

1055
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: Jackson with Jaguars, it appears like they're locked into Nick Foles.

1056
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: And so if those two teams find their quarterback and

1057
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: decide the quarterback is elsewhere, it then kind of muddies

1058
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: up the waters with which defensive players go, whether the

1059
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go, who jumps into the mix, and so it

1060
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how the first tender so

1061
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: picks play out earlier today, John Dorsey said, the strength

1062
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: of this draft is defensive line. Is that is that?

1063
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: Is that just kind of a unanimous feeling right now?

1064
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: And then what yeah, I think with the Browns at seventeen,

1065
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: how how much can they benefit from that? I mean,

1066
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's kind of unanimous. The consensus

1067
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: is that the defensive line is really rock solid. Uh

1068
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: they enter your defensive tackles, they're guys that can brush

1069
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: the passage. They're all kinds of specialists. And so I

1070
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: think it benefits the Browns when you're sitting in the

1071
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: seventeen uh No, and Dorsey and Elliot Wolfe and Alonzo

1072
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: hig Smith like a know him that can take the

1073
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: best available player and whether that players on the defensive

1074
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: line or the offensive line, they can make sure that

1075
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: they're try and get a blue chip play in the

1076
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: first round, because it's very important in the first round

1077
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: that you get guys that can start, they can start

1078
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: for a long time because ultimately they're the nucleus of

1079
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: your team. I would think with the Browns and looking

1080
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: at them, they need to make sure that they solidify

1081
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: that offensive line, make sure that Baker may feel is protected.

1082
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: He is the franchise. They want to be able to

1083
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: run the ball, the kind of take pressure off him.

1084
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: I think they continue to pour assets into the offense,

1085
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 1: and then I think they work back around and figure

1086
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: out a way to fix the defense. It is nice

1087
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: that we're not talking quarterback, maybe for the first time

1088
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: since two thousand seven when we rafted Brady Quinn. Were

1089
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 1: you surprised at Baker Mayfield successful. I mean, I can't

1090
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: say that I was surprised. I would say that my

1091
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: commentary about Baker Mayfield prior to the draft was Baker

1092
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: Mayfield didn't necessarily hit the prototypes. Uh, Baker Mayfield was

1093
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: six foot tall. Baker Mayfield wasn't like overly athletic when

1094
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: it came to the numbers. Uh, he had outstanding arm

1095
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: talent and actually, but typically if you're a guy that

1096
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: is right around six foot you have to be exceptional

1097
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: other areas to go to top. Michael Vick was an

1098
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: exception to the rule. And so, but now that he

1099
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: is kind of done and then going into the league,

1100
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: I thought the Browns did a great job after Freddy

1101
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: Kitchens took over, putting him in the right situation. Uh,

1102
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: we saw two and three tight ends on the field.

1103
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: We saw the running game with Nick Chubb, We saw

1104
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: them stretched the field off play action. I thought it

1105
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: was a combination of Baker Mayfield being who he is,

1106
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: but also the play caller doing a great job of

1107
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: setting him up for success by asking to do things

1108
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 1: that really worked within his wheelhouse. You mentioned offensive line

1109
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: with the Browns kind of fortifying that they brought back

1110
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: Greg Robinson on the one year deal. But what when

1111
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: when you look at these tackle prospects and the real

1112
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: him of them being there at seventeen, which guys make

1113
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: the most sense for the proles? You know, it's kind

1114
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: of funny because you're trying to figure out how the

1115
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: brown is going to play. I think gonna be a

1116
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: team to steal. Wants to grind it out and throw

1117
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: all play accent Baker Mayfield. Are they going to eventually

1118
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: kind of hand him the ball and say, hey, I

1119
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: want you to throw at thirty five or forty times,

1120
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: depending on that. It depends on which kind of tackle

1121
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: you take. If you want to pass first tackle, I

1122
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: got a suppress pass protector. Andre Dillon is going to

1123
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: be the guy. He's natural, he's athletic, does a great

1124
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: job playing left tackle. He kind of gets it when

1125
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: it comes to that. If you want to be more

1126
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: of a bully and kind of have the ground and pound, uh,

1127
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: kind of like the old dog pound, then I think

1128
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about guys, uh, like a Jonas Williams that

1129
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: can do what you want. Taylor from Florida can also

1130
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: do that. And then the wild card of it is

1131
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: kind of Gregg Little from Old miss He's more athletic

1132
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: than polished, but he's certainly is worthy of being a

1133
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: first round pick on the defensive tackle side of things.

1134
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: You know, Jeffrey Simmers with the torny c L is

1135
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: kind of throwing a little wrinkle into it. Does it

1136
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: affect the depth of this defensive line draft? Uh? You know,

1137
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: so much is being made of that. I'm I don't

1138
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: know if it necessarily affects the depth of the defensive

1139
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: tackle class. I think it determines where do you want

1140
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: to take him? Uh. If he's healthy, he's top one,

1141
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: top two at the defensive tackle position. Now that he's

1142
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: not healthy, and it may be a bit of a

1143
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: ridister here this year. Where's the right values? That value

1144
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the first round, is that value

1145
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: at the top of the second round. Whoever takes him

1146
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: is getting a really good football player. Then it's on

1147
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: him to just rehab and get back to being the

1148
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: player without the injury. I mean, we're talking about the

1149
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: top ten talent. We're talking about a guy that may

1150
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: go on to top five after this. Saw saidn't done.

1151
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: Really good player, he won't affected. I think they just

1152
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: kind of reshuffle the deck. But there are a ton

1153
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: of players on the inside that can play. Bronze fans

1154
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: love always talking about wide receivers. It doesn't seem likely

1155
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: that they would go with that direction the first round.

1156
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: Are there any guys you like as Day two, Day three,

1157
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: guys that really stand out to at that position. Uh,

1158
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: they're handful of guys. I think if you're trying to

1159
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: fill out and complement the wide receiver corps. Uh, Jervis

1160
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: Landry is obviously the number one. He's more of a

1161
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: kind of a ball control chain mover. Uh. Then you

1162
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: have Perriman who kind of came on late. Was the

1163
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: vertical stretch guy. Uh, Antonio Callaway Mason Place. I think

1164
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: the big thing they need they can still use a

1165
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: speed gut, a burner, someone that can take the top

1166
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: off the defense, stretch it out, keep those guys from

1167
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: keeping in the box. Deevo Samuel from South Carolina is

1168
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: someone that could be adventuest maybe in the second or

1169
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: third round. Uh. Terry mclauren from Ohio State is another

1170
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: guy that can be adventuest maybe in the mid rounds

1171
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. And then I would keep an

1172
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: eye on this super athlete from Georgia call Terry Godwin,

1173
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: five star athlete. I gotta came on dominated the East

1174
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: West Run Bowl. They need someone that can be a

1175
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: difference made of someone who can give them juice on

1176
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: the offense. Talking with the NFL networks Bucky Brooks, he'll

1177
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: be on the coverage for NFL Network all weekend long

1178
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: here from Indianapolis in the two thousand combined. Are there

1179
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: are other guys that you're looking at that that we

1180
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: haven't talked about, positions, certain things that you're looking for

1181
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: this weekend. I mean, I think the main thing is

1182
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out who the guys that put

1183
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: up big numbers and who are the guys that create

1184
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: a bus A lot of the conversations when you come

1185
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: out of the COMBA and sent around guys that are

1186
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: the stars. Tight end position is outstanding, but you guys

1187
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: don't need ton ends. I think when you look at

1188
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: the pass rushers, who are gonna be the pass rushers

1189
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: that are emerged O'Shane Zamenus from O d u as

1190
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: a guy that can be a pass rusher just kind

1191
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: of depends. I'm curious to see what Steve Wilkes wants

1192
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: to do with the defense. Are they gonna play for

1193
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: three year? They're gonna more from two A, three four?

1194
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: What does he want to do with the defense? Dat

1195
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: I kind of determined how they go about the process.

1196
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of exciting prospects in this class.

1197
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: I'll go a random direction there. The Browns are probably

1198
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: looking for a backup quarterback. The Packers organization with Wolf

1199
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: and high Smith, always took a shot at a quarterback

1200
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: in these later rounds. Would that Would it surprised you

1201
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: if the Browns added a guy late rounds normally every

1202
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: other year is when they would normally do that. They

1203
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: normally would um, so they took Baker this year. Next

1204
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: year with the year they would look for a backup quarterback,

1205
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: try and take a guy ment the late round that

1206
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: has something about him they're intriguing, whether their size, where

1207
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: there's armed talent, whether it's those things. Um, and it's

1208
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: just because maybe a Tyree Jackson from Buffalo who was

1209
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: a tall developmental type prospect. The thing that you have

1210
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: to be careful of when you take a young quarterback

1211
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield, you don't necessarily want to upset the

1212
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: apple cart. You want to make sure that he feels

1213
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: like and he understands that he is the dude. Uh,

1214
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: you might go shop shopping in the bargain band with

1215
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: a veteran do that for this year, and then next

1216
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: year try and find a young development of prospect after

1217
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: he's fully entrenched as a QB one. Bucky, I know,

1218
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: you gotta get going here. You just got done a

1219
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: little TV and the car wash continues. I'm sure appreciate,

1220
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: appreciate a few minutes of your time, and we should

1221
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: all the best of luck this weekend and going forward

1222
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: here on NFL networking with that high school programs. What's

1223
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: the biggest need for the high school program the biggest need.

1224
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: We just gotta get together. I'm excited about it. I

1225
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: think we had good kids as much like, uh, what

1226
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: the guys did when John Dorsey came in with the

1227
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: Browns trying to build it from the ground up. Same thing.

1228
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun. Appreciate the time

1229
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: as always, man Hey, thanks so much on GUS. Thanks

1230
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: again to NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks for taking the

1231
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: time out of his busy day. The guy was on

1232
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,959
Speaker 1: TV for four hours then just came in spent about

1233
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: eight minutes with us. A lot of good stuff they're

1234
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: coming out from Bucky Brooks. Yeah, you know, he he

1235
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: knows his stuff, and I think I would definitely pay

1236
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: attention to what he talked about with the Day two,

1237
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: Day three wide receivers. That's the direction I think it's

1238
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: trending in. And I think that when John Dorsey mentioned

1239
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: earlier today, there's a lot of big, uh strong guys

1240
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: that maybe fit the mold of what the Browns are missing.

1241
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: A couple of those guys to kill Harry Hakim Butler.

1242
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: Those are gonna be Day two guys. You can get

1243
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: these big freak athletes on Day two because there's just

1244
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: not gonna be many first round wide receivers this year.

1245
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: The whole offensive lineman at seventeen. If it's the best

1246
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: player available, then it's the best player available. But um,

1247
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: I wonder where John Dorsey and companies board stands that.

1248
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that could lead to the situation where if

1249
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: it is the best player available by far, then you

1250
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: maybe start taking some offers for that seventeenth pick, and

1251
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: you move back and then acquire another one of those

1252
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: second round picks, potentially by sliding back in the first round.

1253
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: John Dorsey's done it before. It did it in the

1254
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen Fell Draft traded completely out of

1255
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: the first round, ended up getting Chris Jones. Not a

1256
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: bad draft. I think they got Tyree Kill later in

1257
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: that draft too, so they're okay. Alright, a couple of

1258
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: things before we get out of here from Indianapolis. Jason

1259
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: Witten going back to the NFL on retiring one year,

1260
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: three and a half million dollars. I'm wondering. I saw

1261
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: a tweet from Adam Schefter that basically said a lot

1262
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: of people in NFL circles thinks he think he's head

1263
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: coach material. If it doesn't work out with Jason Garrett

1264
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: this year and they don't win, is he the head

1265
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: coach in waiting? I mean, that's what's That's what's interesting.

1266
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: I was like maybe the only one that was questioning

1267
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: this as a football move, Like I don't remember him

1268
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: being very good near the end of his career. Now

1269
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: he wasn't very like he was. He was looking old,

1270
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: and and now he's been out of football for a year.

1271
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm just curious what he's gonna look like as a player,

1272
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: especially in a position that is so demanding like tight end.

1273
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that is a demanding physically physically demanding position

1274
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: as there is on the entire field. It's almost impossible

1275
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: for a tight end to go through a season without

1276
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: some kind of injury. I'm just curious what they see

1277
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: in him as a player right now. And you're almost

1278
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: committed to him, like Jerry's not going to cut him now,

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Speaker 1: and there's only fifty three spots on the team. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they they might have had the worst tight end situation

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Speaker 1: in the league last year. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: could name who even I think it was like Jeff

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Speaker 1: Swain was their tight end for a little bit. So

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Speaker 1: they need, they need players at the position. I I

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Speaker 1: just i'm I'm I'm think Monday and football will be

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Speaker 1: better off. I think Jason Witten will be better off

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Speaker 1: pursuing a coaching opportunity. I think it was a tough

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Speaker 1: year for him, so not any Tony Romo made it

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Speaker 1: look easy. Doing that kind of stuff is really really hard,

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Speaker 1: and I think we saw it with a guy going

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Speaker 1: straight out of out of the NFL in there, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's a struggle. That's why I think whatever the

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Speaker 1: guy's name escapes me. Who the Saints radio play by

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Speaker 1: play guy? He went straight from being the team's offensive

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Speaker 1: tackle to not only being an analyst, but he is

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Speaker 1: the play by play thing? Is it? Zat zay? You

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Speaker 1: know what I remember because he came into the radio

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Speaker 1: booth and had some really kind it's for Jim Donovan.

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Speaker 1: He and Jim Donovan talked for about half an hour.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to pick Jim's brain. He said, Hey, I

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01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: listened to your games. I feel like I'm doing this right,

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Speaker 1: But how do I get better doing X, Y and Z.

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01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: I've heard he's really good. Yeah, I think like he's

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01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: he's he's he. He went from player to color analysts

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01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: to all of a sudden to play by play guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's tough. That's a big as That is a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge because I like test It Tour. I'm a football

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Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest fan of Testo bad. He's all right,

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Speaker 1: He's not the problem with the broadcast. Yeah, it'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see who they pull from. I think my

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Speaker 1: if I'm setting betting odds, I'm going with either Lewis

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Speaker 1: Riddick or I'm going with Kurt Warner. Any chance you

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Speaker 1: get a Burlison or Dan Orlovski. Blon was really good

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Speaker 1: when he did play by play on those saturdays. Burlison

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Speaker 1: was really good, and that would be a big jump

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Speaker 1: for him too, because he hasn't done that much very

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Speaker 1: at all. But he's not a ton of TV. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's something to watch here as

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Speaker 1: we get into the season. Final thoughts here from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: The biggest question what will we be talking about when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the Draft podcast, the best podcast available

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Speaker 1: next week after we've had a week into the combine.

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Speaker 1: You know, the first couple episodes we were kind of okay.

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Speaker 1: Once we get to the combine, things will clear up

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't know if it is going

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Speaker 1: to clear up, and I do think it's it's just

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Speaker 1: a result of maybe us just implicitly trusting Dorsey with

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Speaker 1: what he's gonna do with this pick. But it's just

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of defensive guys, and I

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Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a lot of names that leak

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Speaker 1: out there that the Browns have have interviewed, whether it

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Speaker 1: be players saying it themselves, whether it be agents leaking

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Speaker 1: who met with who. I think Natal Work of the

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Speaker 1: Ecovenien Journal already reported Andre Dillard of what the Washington

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Speaker 1: State tackle. He's got a meeting set up with the Browns.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they get sixty of these interviews, They're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk to a lot of guys, and they may ultimately

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Speaker 1: not talk to the guy they pick at seventeen. So

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Speaker 1: I think we'll kind of have a direction at the

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Speaker 1: meeting with Dorsey today. Set me in the direction where

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Speaker 1: I think is gonna be defense, and that I'll stick

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Speaker 1: with that, and well maybe her which defensive guys that

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Speaker 1: the Browns end up talking to, and then we'll kind

1344
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Speaker 1: of start cross referencing all these mock drafts. I do

1345
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Speaker 1: think the mock drafts after the combine get a little

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Speaker 1: bit more accurate, correct. I wonder to Kyler Murray, Yeah,

1347
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, if he blows the barn doors off of

1348
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: his interviews and he has a Heck, if he decides

1349
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: to throw and work out and he works out and

1350
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: has a monster workout, what does that set in motion

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01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: from a trade aspect? You know? I mean, is someone

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Speaker 1: like what if it's a Patriots team that says we're

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01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: willing to move up and move up big, you know?

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Speaker 1: Or is it a Miami Dolphins team looking for a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Is it you know who we've said, well, maybe they're

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Speaker 1: tanking for two years. Is it's something that that the

1357
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Speaker 1: team just says, you know what, we're going to mortgage

1358
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Speaker 1: the whole thing and go up and get our quarterback.

1359
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Speaker 1: And that could change the whole dynamic of this draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hope it happens. I think it'll be it'll benefit

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Speaker 1: the Browns and ways it'll push quarterbacks down, and I

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Speaker 1: hope all the quarterbacks have monster weekends. And I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: rooting for Josh Jacobs to go. You're running back at

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Speaker 1: I mean, for DK Metcalf if you don't want him

1365
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: to come with the Browns, root for him to go.

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01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: Root for all these offensive skill guys to the tight ends. Ohiowa,

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Speaker 1: have those guys off seven or eight between quarterback, running back,

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01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: and wide receiver and tight end. If you get seven

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Speaker 1: or eight of those guys off the board, you don't

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Speaker 1: have a top ten in a good defensive draft. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the key is to load up on those

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Speaker 1: kind of players in this draft and and then just

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01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: let them compete at spots that are You're not handing

1374
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Speaker 1: these guys starting jobs like you have been in the

1375
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Speaker 1: last two drafts. These guys are gonna have to to

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Speaker 1: work for what they're gonna get. Gribbs, we had our irias.

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Speaker 1: It's time to call it a weekend, and it is

1378
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: time to get ready and get a little more in

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Speaker 1: depth as we uh move closer to free agency and

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Speaker 1: of course the two thousand nineteen NFL Draft. The free

1381
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: agency steps really gonna pick up and that'll in turn

1382
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Speaker 1: affect what happens in the draft. Here, no question about

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01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: it again, get this podcast. If you missed any of

1384
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: the first couple episodes, you can get it wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcast and in addition, Cleveland Browns dot com

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Speaker 1: available for Jason Gibbs for Andrew Gribble. Want to thank

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Speaker 1: Nick Shook. I want to thank Bucky Brooks. Want to

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01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: thank Joe Thomas. Thanks for listening. This is the best

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