1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you so much for 3 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: tuning in. It's your favorite. Quentin Quarantino's back again. Uh, 4 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: and you know my name is still Ben. My name 5 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: is no man. I was not expecting that. That was good. 6 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: It was a good another one like quarantine dogs. Yeah, 7 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: that's a good Here's just there's just way better. Um 8 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: uh no, I got nothing. It's good to see you again. 9 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: Uh you're shining visage peering at me through my laptop screen. Yeah, 10 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: it's good to see you. 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So okay, uh so uh quarantine land 19 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: quarantine would perhaps there we go, Okay, okay, we'll we'll 20 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: work on these and send us your favorite Quentin Tarantino 21 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: themed quarantine funds. In the meantime, Casey, I want to 22 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: give you a shout out there on in your window 23 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: on the right side of my screen. Uh, you, sir, 24 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: are a man of impeccable sartorial or fashion taste. And 25 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: uh you have you have not let your game slip 26 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: while we're in our exiles, because you have one of 27 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: America's favorite T shirts on right now. That is true. 28 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: I am wearing the podcast of the very podcast we 29 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: are recording right now. I'm the guy at the show 30 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: wearing the shirt of the band. Um, except I'm in 31 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: the band, so that's even worse. I I, on the 32 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: other hand, am full nude have been the whole time. Guys, Yeah, 33 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 1: I had. I had to minimize that window. Okay, that's fair. 34 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: And uh and I do want to point out for 35 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: everybody who's thinking, is Casey wearing that Casey on the 36 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: Case shirt with him as a child model. No, no, 37 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: he didn't go that far. Now he's just wearing the 38 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: classic Ridiculous History t available now. Uh and and always 39 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: on t public dot com slash Ridiculous History. I think 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: is that how it comes something like that, stuff like 41 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: that we'll get the link up. That'll get you to 42 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Yeah, that'll get you in the neighborhood. Today, 43 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a classic all its own, 44 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: a classic mystery. This may be a deep cut for 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: some folks, But if you, like many of us, were 46 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: a fan of those old paranormal or conspira ratorial time 47 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: life books like Mysteries of the Unknown, then you may 48 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: have heard of these strange children, these literally green children. 49 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: No no, I wanted to ask you, would you would 50 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: you characterize this as a complete legend? Would you say 51 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: there's probably something to it? Or should we do you 52 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: want to wait until the end of the show to 53 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: make a claim or a judgment. Oh my gosh, Ben, 54 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: It's it's hard to even say whether it's any one 55 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: of those things more than the other. It's kind of 56 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: more than any other story I've ever really dug into 57 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: a lot of all of them, um, and it's still 58 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: hard to this day to decide which one it is 59 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: more of. Wouldn't you say? Yeah? Yeah? And we want 60 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you, fellow ridiculous historians, after 61 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: we after we explore this, let us let us know 62 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: what you think. I know, we always say that, but 63 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: this is this is something that we we definitely want 64 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: to hear more of because this this story kind of 65 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: like True Detective Season one, like a much lighter version. 66 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: This story skirts the supernatural without ever fully going supernatural. 67 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: Here we are the legend of the Green Children of Woolpit. 68 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: It starts during the reign of a guy named King 69 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: Stephen in a time in England's history in the mid 70 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: twelfth century called the Anarchy. What do we know about Wolpit. Well, 71 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: we know a little bit about Woolpit. We know that 72 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: it is an English town in England, obviously, and it 73 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: comes from the Old English word for wolf pit um 74 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: it is in Suffolk. Uh, and that is what it 75 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: was named after. Is these actual physical traps or pits 76 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: that were used for catching wolves because that was a 77 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: thing at the time. Wolves wild wolves roaming the the heaths. Uh, 78 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: We're we're kind of a problem. And they would not 79 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: only kill like your live stock, you know, your sheep 80 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: and whatnot, but they were known to to come into 81 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: villages and stuff if at night and kill like, you know, 82 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: sleeping children. Maybe I'm being alarmist here, but definitely a 83 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: serious business. So there would be these pits that were 84 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: dug into the ground um sometimes reinforced with stones almost 85 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: like a well, not quite as deep, and the wolf 86 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: they'd be covered up sometimes with like you know, straw 87 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: or what have you to to disguise them, and then 88 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: the wolves would fall in. Yeah, that was the namesake 89 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: of this town in Suffolk, which is the kind of 90 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: main location of our tail. Yeah. So this is this 91 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: is fascinating. No, I want to address the point that 92 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: many of our many of our listeners in the audience 93 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: are already thinking of, which is this, Do wolves typically 94 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: attack humans? The answer is no, But that's it. The 95 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: answer is a no, asterik or no. But because wolves 96 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: will definitely attack humans if we're all collectively experiencing some 97 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: form of privation during times of famine, and there's you know, 98 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: during times when these predators can't access other sources of nutrition. 99 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: Of course, if driven to desperation, they'll go for people, 100 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: and they'll go for livestock first. So a lot of 101 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: those wolf catching pits, which, as you said, no, our 102 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: real thing a lot of was wolf catching pits were 103 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: for livestock, but wolves were known to attack people. The 104 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: weird thing about wolpit is that this was not really 105 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: the middle of the of nowhere place in the Middle Ages. 106 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: The village of Wolpit was actually in one of the 107 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: most agriculturally productive regions of the land, as well as 108 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: one of the most densely populated areas. It belonged to 109 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: the abbey of Bury St. Edmund's, which was tremendously rich 110 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: and powerful. Uh So, what we've set the stage, this 111 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: is where the story occurs. But we also want to 112 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: tell you a little bit about how we know the 113 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: story because we don't have any first hand evidence of this. 114 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: It's it's cobbled together from a couple of different reports. Yeah, 115 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: that's right. One of them came from a person by 116 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: the name of Ralph Kogeshal and then another person by 117 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: the name of William of Newburgh, and they were the 118 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: two UM will call them primary sources that UM had 119 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: accounts of this tale that were then stitched together by historians. 120 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: UM and uh well, actually, let me be backtrack on that. 121 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily firsthand at all. Um, they were anecdotal, 122 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: But they are the only two people that we know 123 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: about that we're around to write about it. And there 124 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: are some pretty wide swings UM about when this story 125 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: took place. For example, one version might say that it 126 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: took place during the reign of King Stephen another and 127 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: that was eleven thirty five to eleven fifty four. Another 128 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: might attribute it to happening during the reign of King 129 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: Henry the Second, which was eleven four to eleven eighty nine. UM. 130 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: And it was the kind of story or that was very, 131 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: very regional until around eighteen fifty when Thomas kite le 132 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: Um put together a compendium called the Second Edition of 133 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: Fairy Mythology that contained um, a telling of this story. 134 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: And before that, um, it had really been something that 135 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: you could only get, you know, in Latin tomes um. 136 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: And in the twelfth century a book called Historia rare 137 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: Um Anglicicarum, and that was by Newburgh and uh then 138 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: Ralph Cogeshaw's volume Cornicon anglic Um. Yeah yeah, yeah. So 139 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: this is also, by the way, the fun part of 140 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: this is that both those guys, William Ralph it's William 141 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: of Newburgh and Ralph of koga Shaw. They they were 142 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: in that period where your name would have an O 143 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: in front of it, so it would be like Casey 144 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: of Pegro, which I sound. I think sounds pretty classy 145 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: and I would love to bring that back. You know, 146 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: Noel of Brown been Boland. Uh, you know it's got 147 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: some pinash, some gravitas. So, as you said, yes, for 148 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: a long time, this only came from those two twelve 149 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: century sources. But after Thomas Kitlie brought this out to 150 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: the English speaking world in the eighteen hundreds, it was reprinted. 151 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: It was adapted or embellished and put into all these 152 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: anthologies of fairy tales and British folk tales. And it 153 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: even got to the point where when you would read 154 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: the their version of regional guide books, who would also 155 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: say like Wolpit famous for the Green Children, and have 156 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: a little paragraph about the legend and this story, which 157 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: I know, we're telling you the story of the story, 158 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: but we'll get to this actual story. This story took 159 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: off because this story was um, it was mimetic. People 160 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: love to tell it, they love to hear it, and 161 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: it was very difficult to prove or disprove. So we 162 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: have to we have to ask ourselves again the question 163 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: we were talking about at the top. Ultimately, we're on 164 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: amission to determine whether this story is a folk tale 165 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: or some embellished version of actual history, you know, like 166 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: the way a grain of sand can get all this 167 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: stuff layered onto it and make a pearl. We want 168 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: to see if there's a grain of truthful sand in 169 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: this fantastic story. But here we go Once upon a time. 170 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm biasing people here, but I like the way 171 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: the story starts. Once upon a time, there were these 172 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: two kids, a boy and his sister, and they're found 173 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: at harvest time near some ditches that have been dug too, 174 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: you guessed it, trap wolves at St. Mary's of the 175 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: wolf bits now known as wolpit, and they were found 176 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: by agricultural workers reapers like literally dude swinging sides back 177 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: and forth, but not like of the grim variety. These 178 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: were like potentially a beat reapers, yea, although these were 179 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: pretty tough times. You know, they might have been a 180 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: little bit grim, but but not harbingers of death itself. Yes, yes, 181 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, reapers get a bad name in uh 182 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: these are modern days, so imagine this. These wolf trapping 183 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: pits have been dug and they're pretty deep because you 184 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: don't want wolves to jump out of them. But these 185 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: kids come out of one of these pits, and this 186 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: is weird because the pits were probably twice as tall 187 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: as the children. There were a couple hundred square feet 188 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: in total area. So how did they get out? That's 189 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: one weird question. But there was a much weirder question 190 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: that needed to be addressed first, and that was the 191 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: skin color of these kids. Yeah, they had a certain 192 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: greenish hue to their skin. Um, which is you know, 193 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: it's already weird that they kind of emerged from these pits, 194 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: Like this story is already set up to be the 195 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: stuff of legend, right, Like, there's no question about there's 196 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: a lot of details that really lend themselves to um 197 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: what's the word, not alarmism, but embellishment, let's say. Or 198 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: you can really hop on. Oh, they had green skin, 199 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: and they came out of these like ten ft deep pits, 200 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: and they were really spooky, and they came took by surprise, 201 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: and we're probably levitating. I don't know, Um that that 202 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: that last part I made up, But yeah, it's true. 203 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: They had this greenish tinged skin. They were wearing odd 204 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: looking clothes. They spoke in an unintelligible language, unintelligible at 205 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: least to these merry reapers. Um. And so, yeah, super 206 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: strange little kids, creepy kids wandering up out of the 207 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: clear blue sky, out of the deep, deep dark wolf pits. 208 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: And what's a reaper to do when faced with a 209 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: situation like this, Ben, Well, they took them to the 210 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: village and they said, you know, these are weird kids, 211 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: but they're still definitely kids. They look human. So somebody 212 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: helped them out and they took them to a local landowner, 213 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: Sir Richard Decane at Wilkes. Now, Richard Decaye is the 214 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: one who, for those of you keeping track at home, 215 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: Richard Decayane is the guy who allegedly gave the information 216 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: to our earlier people who write the books, those two guys. 217 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: So Richard is allegedly the primary source, and he notices 218 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: some weird stuff. First, their diet, the kids. You know, 219 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: you're an adult, you see some kids wandering in the woods. 220 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: You want to feed them. But these kids, despite looking 221 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: famished and starving, they would not eat any of the 222 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: food presented to them. And so the entire picture this, 223 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: the entire village is trying to go through their larders 224 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: to find something the green, the green kiddos will eat, 225 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: and one of them eventually brings around some beans that 226 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: had just been harvested, and the kids love them. What 227 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: kind of beans, we may be wondering, glad you asked? Uh? 228 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: And what This is a point where the stories differed. 229 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: One story says their fava beans. Another one says, no, 230 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: that's bs their green beans, and the kids didn't get 231 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: them from the villagers, They just ate them straight out 232 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: of the ground. Well wait, so that means that maybe 233 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: this is a version of the story where they were 234 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: kind of fending for themselves, are like foraging, and maybe 235 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: the the kindly village folk had not found them yet 236 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: or what's the deal there? It sounds like in this 237 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: version of the story, it sounds like the kids they 238 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: tried to feed the kids, and then they let the 239 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: kids wander around and the kids foraged. Uh and only 240 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: eight beans for months and months, and then they expanded 241 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: their culinary horizons and eventually started eating bread. But it 242 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: doesn't say how many months went by. And you gotta 243 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: wonder how long can a person survive on beans? You know? 244 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean I like a bean, Don't get me wrong, 245 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: It's a good staple food. But yeah, I see another 246 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: version of the story to where they specifically had a 247 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: taste for raw beans that were freshly harvest it as well, 248 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: So it may have been that, you know, whatever the 249 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: freshly picked crop was, that was what attracted the kid's eyes, 250 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: and the fact that they were green beans. Wonder if 251 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: there's a little creative license and that telling of the story. 252 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: It also makes me wonder, you know, you hear about um, 253 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: a lot of fairy folk will get to this and uh, 254 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, supernatural creatures from this part of the country 255 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: that we're green, like the Green Man and a lot 256 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: of like you know, woodland fairies that are green. I 257 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: wonder if the jolly green giant, you know, canned vegetables 258 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: came from many of this lore. Kind of bet it dead. 259 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's an interesting point. Yeah, because the the 260 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: green Man or the vegetable God is an ancient, ancient belief, 261 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of carries 262 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: over into this story. That's that's a plus folklore reference there, man. Uh, 263 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: so we know that Richard raises these kids, or he 264 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: at least allows them to live with him, and he's 265 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: he's the big guy in town because he's landowner. He 266 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: lets them live on his estate for several years, and 267 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: slowly he tries to convert them to eating normal food. 268 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: According to our earlier sources, the ones in Latin, this 269 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: change in diet eventually led to them losing their green complexion. 270 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: And also let's bring in some modern science here. Research 271 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: does show that people who eat large quantities of certain 272 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: fruits and vegetables can show a change in skin color, 273 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: but it's more toward a golden, healthy glow. M m. 274 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: You know this is actually true. And I say this 275 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: from experience. I had a piano teacher when I was 276 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: younger who had cancer and uh, she went a very 277 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: holistic route in her treatment and was prescribed lots of 278 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: high in um, you know, nutrient vegetables, and she ate 279 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: lots of carrots and drank lots of carrot juice and 280 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: she actually developed kind of an orange ish color like 281 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: And that's that's that's that's absolutely true. Yeah, that can happen. 282 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: It's called karro toonemia, and it's apparently most notable on 283 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: thick skin like the soles of your feet, for example. 284 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: It's caused by an excess of beta carotene in the blood. This, 285 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: this is weird. There there are a couple of other 286 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: strange skin color stories we can get to, but with 287 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: these folks, it was so long ago that we don't 288 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: have the science. But it appears that the folklore is 289 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: building or implying an argument that whatever these kids were 290 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: eating before they showed up, it was somehow partially responsible 291 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: for their green skin color. But they didn't. They didn't 292 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: adjust very easily, did they know, No, they really didn't. 293 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: Then Um, the the girl proved to be a bit 294 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: more resilient, but unfortunately the boy Um became sickened and 295 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: and for lack of a better term, depressed and kind 296 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: of distance chanted, and he eventually did Um did pass 297 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: away due to this illness. Uh, maybe because of malnourishment. 298 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: We we don't really know. But Um. Thankfully, the sister 299 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: Um remained in pretty good health and her skin Um 300 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: went returned to a normal shade and lost that green tinge. Uh. 301 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: And that is when she began to pick up English. 302 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: Because you'll recall that we we mentioned that both of 303 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 1: them spoke what to the villagers that found them was 304 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: a gobbledygook and some kind of like alien tongue, right, Um, 305 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: And so she eventually started picking up after you know, 306 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: she was taken in by this household um, and she 307 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: started telling some stories, didn't she? Yes, here is our 308 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: second once upon a time, You're right, nol As. As 309 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: this kid learns to speak English, she becomes increasingly articulate, 310 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: and she starts to tell the villagers and tell Richard 311 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: the land donor the story of her origin. This was 312 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: called St. Martin's Land, at least that's what it's called now. 313 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: And in St. Martin's Land, according to this girl, everything 314 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: and everyone was green. It was always twilight. According to her, 315 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: this boy who had recently passed away was in fact 316 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: her brother. Now here's where the stories differ. We're going 317 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: to do our best to give you the multiple versions 318 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: or differences. In one version, she says that she and 319 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: her brother have been hurting livestock for her father, and 320 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: they heard a loud noise and they found themselves suddenly 321 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: at the bottom of this wolf pit. But then there's 322 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: another report that that's a little different, right, Yeah, there 323 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: there are. Like I said that this is one of 324 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: those things that you have to take with a grain 325 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: of salt, because not only were the sources that we 326 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: know of not firsthand, it's been passed down and really 327 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: treated like the stuff of lore. So it really is 328 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: the kind a thing where it's really hard to say 329 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: where the truth ends and the fiction begins and vice versa. 330 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: So yeah. Yet another version of the story has the 331 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: children um being transported from their their homeland uh St. 332 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: Martin's Land um to the field where they were found 333 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: or two to the wolfpit rather um when they hear 334 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: the sound of bells and they're transported to this cave. 335 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: When they come out, they realize that they're in Woolpit 336 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: and not good old St. Martin's Land um, and that 337 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: they you know, the blinding lights you know, kind of 338 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: like uh hits their eyes and they realize we're not 339 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: in Kansas anymore, um because they had apparently, according to 340 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,239 Speaker 1: this version, wandered in darkness for quite some time. Not 341 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: to mention, there's a part that's consistent and several of 342 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: these stories that the girl tells her host family that St. 343 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: Martin's Land, where they come from, as a land of 344 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: permanent twilight, right right. Yeah, As they had mentioned before, 345 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: this was one of the details that was consistent, along 346 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: with her statement that everyone and everything in St. Martin's 347 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: Land was green. So there we go. We can already. 348 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: Also see some familiar folklore tropes, like the old Joseph 349 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: Campbell thing. The cave you fear to enter holds the 350 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: treasure you seek. Uh. There's a lot of powerful symbolic 351 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: stuff going on here. Back to Ralph and Willie, their 352 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: stories differ in some notable ways. William says that this 353 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: girl called her home St. Martin's Land, and he says 354 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: that she said, see, we're playing a telephone game already. 355 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: He says that she said everyone there venerated and worshiped 356 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: the St. St. Martin. And this is interesting because St. 357 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: Martin was known to the surface world. I'm planting a 358 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: seed there. St. St. Martin was known uh in Western monasticism. 359 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: He had a November feast day. He had a harvest 360 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: festival in particular, and his festival was comparable to Halloween. 361 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: And William said that inhabitants could see, even though they 362 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: were in a twilight realm, they could see a bright 363 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: land over a great river. William's story also cuts out 364 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: the cavern and just says that the kids literally heard 365 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: the bells and then woke up in the wolf pit. Oh, 366 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: we should mention that Richard, by the way, it was 367 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: a little out of order. But uh, we'd be remiss 368 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: if we didn't note one of the first things that 369 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: Richard did when the kids were under his care, he 370 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: took them to be baptized. It's kind of like medical 371 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: care right for them at that time. Yes, that that's 372 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: probably right. They think it's gonna ooculate them against the 373 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: forces of evil or whatever. I don't know. The reason 374 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: I knew about it is that, like they don't know 375 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: anything about the these children's heritage or where they come from, 376 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: or what their faith might be. It's just very presumptuous, 377 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: is all I'm saying. I guess right, right, which also 378 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: makes you wonder how much of a how much of 379 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: the narrative has been twisted to meet religious expectations of 380 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: the time, because they're they're in what appears to be 381 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: a subterranean realm that already has maybe not knowledge of 382 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: Catholic dogma, but they all know one saint in particular. 383 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: That's that's odd. Yeah, that that is really weird, right, 384 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: that they know of one saint that we're gonna get 385 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: into kind of the unraveling of this story. But you 386 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: gotta wonder too, if, like you know, was their concern 387 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 1: that these were somehow like demons from the fiery pits 388 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: of hell. You know, they come from a pit at 389 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: the very most a subterranean realm. I don't know. I 390 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: if I was a truly, truly god fairyman like like 391 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: this gentleman likely was, that might give me pause. I'd 392 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: be like, get thee to a baptis serie, you know, 393 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: postaste or an exorcism mart or whatever they call them. Right, 394 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: surely they had those then, yeah, yeah, yeah, they were 395 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: just farmers markets. They were just like like you know, 396 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: there were just a stall at the farmer's market next 397 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: to the produce. You've got like a priest who can 398 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: exercise your your demons, maybe even exercise your vegetables before 399 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: you take them home with you. It's a drive through too, 400 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: or a trot through, so you can take your horse 401 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: if you're in a hurry, and you know, you don't 402 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: have to get out of the saddle. That's that's the 403 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: one you want to look for in the mark. So 404 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: there you have it. Now, Now the next question. So 405 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: the young boys died, but what happened to the mysterious 406 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: green girl. According to the story, which I know, we're 407 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: we've been saying a lot in this episode. According to 408 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: the stories, the Green Girl eventually assimilates into society. She's baptized. Uh. 409 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: There are rumors that she later marries someone in an 410 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: adjacent county, Norfolk, near Suffolk, who may have been high 411 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: up in the government all the time, although there are 412 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: some other reports that I would say are way less verifiable. 413 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: Although none of this is verifiable, there are conflicting reports 414 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: that you know, really showcase the misogyny of the day 415 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 1: and say she became quote rather loose and wanton in 416 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: her conduct. I'm sorry, loose and wanton. Is that like 417 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: referencing her sexual proclivities? Perhaps, right, that's what they're saying. Yeah, 418 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: they're saying she grew up and got around. Uh. And 419 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: then again again, my grown is not for her, My 420 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: grown is for the judginess of these people, right right again? Yeah, 421 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: like I said, the misogyny of the time. Uh. She 422 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: may have taken the name Agnes bar B A r 423 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: R E. But there's no there's no definitive evidence. Uh. 424 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: We we know one report of the guy she married. 425 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: He's uh an archdeacon. I think, yeah, that's right, archdeacon 426 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: of Eli. A man by the name of Richard bar 427 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: Um and according to one account, they had at least 428 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: one child. What color was the kid? Unclear unclear? Yeah, 429 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: well what that just means opaque? Okay, Yeah, because you 430 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: know one thing, we let's get into this. So that's 431 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: a really good segue. Ben Um, Why were they green 432 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: in the first place? Yeah. So if and this is 433 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: a big, big i F if the story is based 434 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 1: on something that was true, there are a couple of 435 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: plausible explanations behind this green, greenish hue. One theory is 436 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: arsenic poisoning, because you know, arsenic has been used to 437 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: create green dies in the past, and if you are 438 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: exposed to it, it can give your skin this green 439 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: dotted rash. But the weird thing is, if we think 440 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: it through at this time in history in England, if 441 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: you found some kids you didn't know and they had 442 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: something that looked like a disease, you would be way 443 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: less likely to do the Christian thing and help them out, 444 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: because you wouldn't want to expose your own community to 445 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: things that could literally kill everyone you love within a 446 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: matter of weeks or months. You know, leprosy, measles, smallpox, 447 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: all the hits, all the terrible grim and grizzly hits. Yeah, 448 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, yes, it's it's it really puts 449 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: into perspective what we're dealing with right now. I mean, like, 450 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: I've had this bit of a cold and turned into 451 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: some bronchitis for going on three weeks now, and as 452 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: this uh you know, coronavirus situation hit in, just having 453 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: a bit of a cough really started to turn some heads, um, 454 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: just in terms of like suspicion towards me as as 455 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: a human being walking around. So at this time, when 456 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean there were so many potentially absolutely obliterating um 457 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: diseases like you mentioned, Uh, there would certainly be some suspicion, 458 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: right uh. And and it makes you really gives you 459 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: pause as to why they would have just taken in 460 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: these oddly colored children with such open arms, if they 461 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: even caught a whiff that there might be something wrong 462 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: with their health. Absolutely, and there may have been something 463 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: wrong with their health, because remember, one piece of evidence 464 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: we have is that their skin color changed when their 465 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: diet changed, right. Uh. We we have a couple of 466 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: other theories that might explain their green coloring. What what 467 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: was it called clurosis kind of like chlorophyll or something. 468 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Yes, it comes from the Greek word chlorus, 469 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: which refers to a greenish yellow color. Um. And and 470 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: this is something that that has been this is that 471 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: this is a funny part of the story here, Uh, 472 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: that has been observed for for centuries past. There's a 473 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: German doctrine by the name of Johanna's Langa who in 474 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: the sixteenth century UM referred to this disease as something 475 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: called a disease of virgins um. And he said the 476 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: remedy was to go have you some sex. Yeah, that'll, that'll, that'll, 477 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: that'll knock it, that'll knock it right out. Uh. And 478 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: now you know, and yeah, it is now in the 479 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: twentieth century, UM, we now realize that it has more 480 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: to do with with malnourishment and should be treated with 481 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: iron supple It's sort of like scurvy, which is a 482 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: lack of vitamin cy But I'm thinking of when you're 483 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: jaundiced and you have a yellow complexion to your skin. 484 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: Doesn't that also have something to do with malnourishment or 485 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: what does that? As a result of am I completely 486 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: misconstruing them. Yeah, so jaundice can have a couple of 487 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: different causes. It turns it turns you yellow because you 488 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: have a high level of this stuff called uh viola ruben, 489 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: which is a bile pigment. It can come from the hepatitis, 490 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: come from gallstones, tumors. Uh, it's to gross. Yeah, I 491 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: mean it's it's a rough thing to have. But you're right, 492 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: it can also come from diet. So, first off, I 493 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: want to say Dr Lange calling this a disease of 494 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: virgins and prescribing sex as secure sounds like it sounds 495 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: troubling because it sounds like he might have been writing 496 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: that to a specific patient. You know what I mean? 497 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: Pretty gross. Yeah. So so there we go. There is 498 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: some science and we know that there are a couple 499 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: of different ways in which people through privation can turn 500 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: green or their skin color can noticeably visibly change. But 501 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: our next question is, okay, cut past the legends, cut 502 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: past the endlessly fascinating folklore. Who were these children, assuming 503 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: they are real, and where did they really come from? 504 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: Here is where a one publication that always loved forty 505 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: in studies comes into play through an author named Paul Harry. Indeed, 506 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: Harris suggested in a book hero called four June studies 507 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: for from nineteen that the children could have been Flemish 508 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: refugees UM who were absolutely uh persecuted in the in 509 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: these days. And then they would have come from a 510 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: nearby UH town, our village called Forum St Martin. Does 511 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: that ring a bell? St? Martin Uh? And that would 512 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: have been um separated by a a quite substantial river 513 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: from Wolpe, the River Lark. And remember that part of 514 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: the story about being able to see a bright shining 515 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: light across a formidable river Um. And yeah, a lot 516 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: of these Flemish. There's there's an excellent article on Ancient 517 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: Origins dot net that really digs into some of the 518 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: different um potential explanations behind this phenomenon of the Green 519 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: children of Wolpit, and one of them is this is 520 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: this tale that goes into the history of the Flemish 521 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: persecution under King Henry the Second in eleven seven three, 522 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: many of them were killed in a place near St. 523 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: Barry St. Edmund's Uh in the Battle of Forum Um. 524 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: And many of the folks who survived this massacre really 525 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: was an absolute blood bath fled into the forest, Thetford 526 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: Forest to be specific, and what would be an area 527 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: that feels like perma twilight. Ben right the forest. So 528 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: here's the thing that this brings up to important points. First, 529 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: ancient origins dot net is this account is good for 530 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: the legend or speculative aspects. There's not a lot of 531 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: science there, so if you are working on a report 532 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: for school, be sure be sure to uh note that 533 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: when you're using it as a source. A second question, 534 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: how old were the children specifically? Other than that the 535 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: boy was appeared to be younger than the sister, we 536 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,959 Speaker 1: don't have a specific age for them. So if you 537 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: are a very young child, then of course Thetford forest 538 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: may have seemed like permanent twilight. It's an old growth forest. Uh. Secondly, 539 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: you know maybe your parents, fearing war, would have taken 540 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: you like told you to herd livestock and acted like 541 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: everything was okay when they were just trying to get 542 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: you away from the conflict. It's also true that because 543 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: the Abbey of Bury St Edmunds was established and wealthy, 544 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: they had the ability to ring loud bells, so loud 545 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: bells often chimed. You could probably hear them over the river. 546 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: But it's possible this comes from a mental flass article. 547 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: It's possible that the children have been orphaned in the conflict, 548 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: had been foraging on something that gave them a poor diet, 549 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: lead to malnutrition and green skin, and eventually made their 550 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: way to woolpit by following the sound of the bells. 551 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: And so then like that actually sounds plausable, doesn't it. 552 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't have all the secret, uh, conspiratorial supernatural elements. 553 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: It sounds like hazard of war. And you know, we're gonna, 554 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: we're gonna raise the bar one more wrung on some 555 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: of the conspiratorial angles in just a second. But to me, 556 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: this one very much is uh the tragically most realistic 557 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: scenario as that that these were um children who were disoriented. 558 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: Not to mention the fact that a lot of the 559 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: folks in these different Flemish villages would have had their 560 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: own very specific dialects um that would have been completely 561 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: unintelligible to two outsiders, you know. In the same way 562 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: we have communities like the Irish travelers in Augusta, Georgia 563 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: edge field area, for example, where they speak a very 564 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: specific form of Gaelic. You know that that's very alien 565 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: to even you know, Gaelic speakers. This is an interesting 566 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: point because what does unintelligible mean. We have to remember 567 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: that people were far less likely to have intense and 568 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: or significant interactions with folks speaking a different language. They 569 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: were also far less likely to be literate, and they 570 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: were far less likely to just recognize something even if 571 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: they didn't understand it. So all bets are off there. 572 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: This is a time when a lot of people lived 573 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: and died within mere miles of where they were born. 574 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: So let's look at an historian named Derek Brewer in 575 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: his book The Color Green. Also in so note that 576 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: this was a resurgence in the story. Uh. Derek Brewer 577 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: argues that the likely core of the matter is that 578 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: these very small children hurting or following flocks strayed from 579 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: their village didn't speak very much. Maybe they were so 580 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: young and uh, the way we put it in modern 581 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: times is they didn't know their home address, and they 582 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: weren't like the kids in the movies who have a 583 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: note pay into them that says, hey, my house is 584 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, one to three wool Pit Street or one 585 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: of those tags. Remember they used to be like special 586 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: tags that kids would have on their backpacks, you know, 587 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: almost like that was a thing back in the day. 588 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's so much. Well, nowadays kids have like, 589 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, phones and stuff and you can just like 590 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: geo locate them. But um, yeah, you absolutely they would 591 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: have just kind of been lost and and and in 592 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: the in the wild and uh, depending on the kindness 593 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: of strangers. And thankfully they did get a little bit 594 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: of help. Um, but yeah, it's true. It was really 595 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,879 Speaker 1: just this. This, this version of the story is also 596 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: pretty sad. Brewer, by the way, also is a proponent 597 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: of the clurosis deficiency theory. So there we have it. There, 598 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: we have the plausible explanation for the Green Children. But 599 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: let's get weird with it. Let's look into just briefly, 600 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: let's look into all the crazy stuff, because that's that's 601 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: the exciting stuff, right So now, Dawn your tinfoil hats 602 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: with us or aluminum foil, I guess. Let's look at 603 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,959 Speaker 1: Robert Burton, who in sixteen twenty one, in his book 604 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: The Anatomy of Melancholy, suggests that the Green Children quote 605 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: fell from heaven. This, this is true. This author did 606 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: say this back in sixty one, and it's set the 607 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: stage for later Uh, independent researchers or authors or whatever 608 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: you want to call them to say, hey, what if 609 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: these kids were aliens? Yeah, this guy named Duncan loanan 610 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: uh um in an article published in Analog magazine in 611 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: the late nineties. UM he hypothesized, will use that term 612 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: loosely here. I guess, I guess, I guess that's appropriate. 613 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: That they could have accidentally been teleported or transported in 614 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: some way from their home planet to wolpets um and 615 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: and and he conjecture that their home planet may have 616 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: been trapped in some sort of synchronous orbit around the Sun. 617 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: Um and that it would have been a planet that 618 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,479 Speaker 1: had similar conditions that would have allowed life, and also 619 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: had a kind of um sweet spot between having an 620 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: inhabitably hot surface and a frozen dark side, such as 621 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: the dark side of the moon. Yeah, yeah, dark sided moon. 622 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: That's a that's a good comparison. I also made me 623 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: think of it made me think the author might have 624 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: been implying mercury as an origin point. Interestingly enough, scientists 625 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: discovered a few decades back that there is actually water 626 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: ice on mercury deep in these craters. Uh. And we're 627 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: still figuring out how it forms, So mercury would be 628 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: an interesting answer. But notice that he kind of he 629 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: duncan Lunin kind of skips over the part where they 630 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: got from wherever the extraterrestrial origin point was to whole 631 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: bit England. Uh. We have to say one other thing. 632 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: This is I think one of the more fun fantastical elements, 633 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: the Green Children. It has so many tropes about the 634 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: unseally as they might be called in Gaelic or Irish culture, 635 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: or the h the fair folk. What if these were 636 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: elves or faye from some other dimension, the land of 637 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: the fairy. It's weird because interpreting the story this way 638 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: really hits on little specifics that sound kind of added 639 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 1: into the story. Like you know, in fairy mythology, fairies 640 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 1: never eat mortal food. Yeah, that's even like that's even 641 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: a thing. And uh in Pan's Labyrinth, for example, where uh, 642 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: the heroine Um is presented with that that table of 643 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: food and she's a warren never to eat it, and 644 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: she eats it and it's like considered to be a 645 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: terrible taboo. Her little fairy companions are really freaked out 646 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: by this whole thing. Um not not quite the same, 647 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: but yeah, no, it's true. Like it's almost like there's 648 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: various versions of that trope or like if the fairies 649 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: eat human food, it could kill them, or or it 650 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: could render them powerless, or they could lose lose their 651 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: fairy abilities or what have you. Um, So it's almost 652 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: as though these were that that's why they rejected the 653 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: human food. Uh, except you know, I don't know. But 654 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: if it's beans though, like that's grown from the ground. 655 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean that seems pretty fairy friendly to me, does 656 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't? I don't know. You know a lot of troops, 657 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: fairies or or the fade don't actually eat meat. They 658 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 1: have practice of vegetarian or what we call a vegan diet. 659 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: It's interesting to two things that makes me think of 660 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: just as an armchair folklore is here. Uh. The Faye 661 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: also traditionally fear instruments of iron. Their iron reverse but 662 00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: iron supplements fix cleurosis. As nothing you do with anything 663 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: of the Charlie Day meme. Right now, you know where 664 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm lining up stuff on the board. Uh, then do 665 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: you do you do you think your aversion to handling 666 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: metal potentially points that you may have some fairy blood 667 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: in you. That's I don't know, man, I don't know, 668 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: because I eat meat, you know, that's true. Yeah, you're 669 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: just half fairy, have just half a you know. I 670 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that. Everybody needs a little supernatural 671 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: in their lives right now though, No casey. As you 672 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: guys know, Uh, this story has largely been dismissed as 673 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: a an entirely fabricated tale of folklore. And that brings 674 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,760 Speaker 1: us to the question we we started at the top. 675 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: So uh, my my friends, I want to give you 676 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,240 Speaker 1: all the honor. What do you think? Do you think 677 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: complete fabrication? Do you think troublingly plu possible? Or do 678 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 1: you think maybe grain and truth embellished over centuries. I mean, 679 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: like I said, the version of the story um where 680 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: they were Flemish refugees, uh that were kind of expelled, 681 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: um in fear of their lives in too, to live 682 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,479 Speaker 1: in another kind of more wooded area that they call St. 683 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: Martin's Land. Uh. It makes sense that that that sounds 684 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: like the way a child would describe something during a 685 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: time of trauma, you know, and and and and all 686 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: they could say was St. Martin's Land, and it was 687 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: always twilight. They were just describing it in terms they 688 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: could understand, you know, and and having to process like 689 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: losing their parents, losing their way of life, I mean, 690 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, And we also don't know exactly how old 691 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: they were. It doesn't seem like they were like babies. 692 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: I mean they had to. If they were helping ten flock, 693 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: they probably would have been maybe minimum seven eight years old, 694 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe more like ten eleven, right, So they 695 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: would have had a very real understanding for the most 696 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: part of what was happening to them, but it would 697 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: have been so painful and traumatic that they might have 698 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,439 Speaker 1: had to process it differently. Not to mention that they're 699 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: malnourished and you know, kind of wandering around in the 700 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: in a in a time where it was not very 701 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: safe to do so. Yeah, and the fact that we 702 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: know the male child was younger means it may have 703 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: been a situation where the parents sent the girl to 704 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: look after the livestock, but also watch your little brother. 705 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: That's that's something that a lot of our a lot 706 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 1: of our fellow listeners who grew up with siblings will 707 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: doubtlessly be familiar with, and thankfully we do have it 708 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: as the inspiration for a lot of fiction poetry. Um, 709 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, these kind of fairy tropes and it is 710 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: you know Ben and I in in hosting stuff they 711 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Um. We run into stories 712 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: all all the time like this, where there's usually a 713 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: very plausible explanation, but it's the implausible versions of the 714 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: story that cause it to proliferate, uh and spread like wildfire, 715 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: because that's what capture people's imagination. Not the sad tale 716 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: of two wandering orphans you know that fall into a 717 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: wolf pit. Uh, it's the version of it that like 718 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: there's somehow supernatural beings from a subterranean land that, let 719 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: you know, or or from another planet that really gets 720 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: people thinking. And the fact that there's so many varying 721 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: versions of this story just adds to that. Yeah, agreed, 722 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: And this is where the story draws to a close. 723 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,720 Speaker 1: We want to hear from you, let us know where 724 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,760 Speaker 1: you fall. Do you believe that this was some sort 725 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,839 Speaker 1: of supernatural encounter? Do you, like Casey Nolan myself, think 726 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: that this is more a as I said earlier, game 727 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: of telephone over the centuries, But you know, ultimately the 728 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: story of war refugees and maybe most importantly, do you 729 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 1: have any other uh stories from folklore that you think 730 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: have a grain of possible ruth to them. If so, 731 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: we'd love to hear them. You can find us on Facebook, 732 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: you can find us on Instagram. You can find us 733 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: on Twitter, not just as a show, but as individual people. Yeah, 734 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: you can find me exclusively on Instagram. Uh, it's it's 735 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: a lot of memes that I'm posting and a lot 736 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: of just you know, I've been playing a little bit 737 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: of guitar again. I might post some Instagram stories of 738 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: my nerdy guitar synth set up making some ambient music 739 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: to call me down in this time of of uncertainty 740 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: and chaos. And you can find all that stuff for 741 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: me at how Now Noel Brown on Instagram And let 742 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: us know what's your what's your hobbies are with things 743 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: that are keeping you from kind of going crazy are 744 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: right now during this time. You can send those as 745 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,720 Speaker 1: an email to us at Ridiculous at iHeart radio dot com. Yeah, 746 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,880 Speaker 1: and you can also find our Facebook community page, Ridiculous 747 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: Historians for sharing your stories with our favorite part of 748 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: the show, your fellow listeners. Uh. As an individual, you 749 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: can find me at Ben Bowling on Instagram. You can 750 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: find me at it or at Ben Bowling hs W. 751 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: On a personal note, one thing that I'm doing on 752 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: Twitter right now is fielding questions about prepping, about survival, 753 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: about hygiene, love in the time of coronavirus. So if 754 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: there's something that you want to know about, if I 755 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: don't have the answer, I will work ardently to find 756 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: it for you, So don't hesitate to hit me up 757 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 1: on Twitter or Instagram. And as always, before we go, 758 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: we want to give a big thank you to our 759 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: our super producer, uh the best dressed man on the 760 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: Skype call. That's Mr Casey Pegram. And we'd also like 761 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: to thank Alex Williams who made this banging track. You 762 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: here at the beginning and the end. Huge thanks to 763 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: Gabe Lozier for being our research associate extraordinaire. Christopher Haciotes 764 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: here in spirit Eves Jeff Coach. Check out this day 765 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: in History class produced by our pal Chandler Mays. And 766 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: thanks to you know, thanks to you, specifically you for 767 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: tuning in. We hope that you are happy, healthy, safe, 768 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: and not turning green. See your nice time, folks. For 769 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit the I Heart 770 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your 771 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: favorite shows.