1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 2: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a fried egg 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: Friday egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida Egg, Frida egg Egg, 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 2: Frida egg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to run 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: off of the hump. 7 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Frida Egg Podcast. My name 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: is Garrett Morrison, and today's episode asks the question have 9 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: we learned the wrong lessons from Phil Mickelson's downfall? So, 10 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: as you are no doubt aware, things have been moving 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: quickly for Phil. He made headlines with some frankly wild 12 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: comments about Saudi Arabia's efforts and golf. He got dropped 13 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: by most of his major sponsors. He's been getting flak 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: from golf media and even from some fellow PGA Tour pros. 15 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: A lot has happened, and if you've been following golf 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: news lately, you've probably heard plenty about it, maybe too 17 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: much so. In this episode, Andy Johnson and I try 18 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: to give a fresh take on the whole situation. Now, 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: we definitely aren't here to defend Phil or to say 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: that he shouldn't face consequences for what he did and said, 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: But we do want to explore what's motivating the backlash 22 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: against him, and we also want to ask whether he 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: was saying anything that was worth listening to. This episode 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: was partly inspired by an article I wrote for the 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Friday dot Com called Phil Mickelson and the Uses of Leverage. 26 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: I'll put a link in the show notes, and if 27 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:53,639 Speaker 1: you're interested, check it out. All right, here's me and Andy. 28 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: I think that where we should start is just where 29 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: we are right now. Phil is being dropped sponsors. 30 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: He got dropped in the PIP standings too. Just out 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: this morning, the morning of the recording, Wednesday morning, that 32 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: he uh that he's finished number two in the PIP. 33 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: After announcing a few months back that he won the PIP. 34 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: Toward the end of December, he sent out a tweet 35 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: announcing his victory, even though reportedly the PIP calculations hadn't 36 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: even been finished for twenty twenty one yet. 37 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: And then Tiger piled on this morning. 38 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, well so that the PIP the full 39 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: pip's stats were released today and Tiger obviously was number one. 40 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: I don't know why there was any question that he 41 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: would win it or not. I'm not sure if it 42 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: was close, but you know, he's clearly gonna lead most 43 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: of those categories just in terms of name recognition. He's 44 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: the only golfer that a lot of people know. Phil 45 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: Mickelson lags way behind him in terms of fame, but 46 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Phil was number two and so he got he got 47 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: plenty of money. I'm not sure how many millions he got. 48 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: He didn't get the eight million. 49 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: Dollars top millions. 50 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: He's got six million. I think. I think that's a 51 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: nice little chunk of change. And it sounds like Phil 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: could maybe use some money at the moment. So I'm 53 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: sure that any amount is welcome. But if people aren't 54 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: familiar with what happened in the past couple of weeks, 55 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: and you know, if you're following golf, then you're probably 56 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: familiar with it. But he made some controversial, pretty shocking 57 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: comments to Alan Schipnook about his involvement with the emerging 58 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: Saudi Golf League. He referred to the Saudis as scary 59 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: mother efforts, but said that even though he was fully 60 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: aware that this was a sports washing play, he used 61 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: the term sports washing. I believe with Shipnook and even 62 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: though he was fully aware of the abysmal human rights 63 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: record that Saudi Arabia has, he was still willing to 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: go along with us. 65 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: So once in a lifetime opportunity to reshape the PGA tour. 66 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: Exactly right, So human rights abuse is you know during journalists. Yeah, 67 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: I get that, I get that, But what about reshaping 68 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: the PGA tour? Okay, So, like these comments were, I mean, 69 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: at least they seemed somewhat honest to a degree. That's 70 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: maybe the only good thing that can be said about them. 71 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: But obviously he just kind of laid out for everybody 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: the moral failings of this entire enterprise, made it so clear, 73 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: and so he got a lot of pushback. 74 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this seemingly, this quote seemingly killed all the 75 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: momentum that the league had. Obviously at the start of 76 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: Riviera Week, it was all the talk. It was, you know, hey, 77 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: this thing is going to happen. There are players that 78 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: are signed, maybe even twenty players that are signed, and 79 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: these comments came out and everything essentially crumbled around him. 80 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson put out a statement saying that he would 81 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: stay on the PGA Tour for the time being. Bryce 82 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: and Deshambeau stepped back from the Saudi who were Xander 83 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: Shaffle even confusingly put out a statement that nobody was 84 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: asking for that that he was not going to be 85 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: on with the Super Golf League funded by Saudi Arabia. 86 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, it seems like this was a major 87 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: setback for the Saudi League. But everything I've heard indicates 88 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: that it's still going to go forward. It just might 89 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: not have some of the big names that it might 90 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: have had before. 91 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like, I mean that's the thing. Somebody 92 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: with this william to spend billions of dollars, just doesn't 93 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 2: give up because they first failed, you know. 94 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've hired all these people. There's this there's 95 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: this emerging bureaucracy in place for the SGL and that's 96 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: not going anywhere either. They're ready to do this. They're 97 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: just not going to have Bryson to Shambeau and Dustin 98 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: Johnson right away. They may have them later, you know, 99 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: when it all calms down a little bit. 100 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: So you wrote a piece a little bit, I mean, 101 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: everybody in the in the world's piling on Phil you know, 102 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: and kind of celebrating the PGA Tour's great win. Your 103 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: piece had a little bit different view. It was on 104 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: the Frida egg dot com. If everybody wants to go 105 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: read it, tell us a little bit about, you know, 106 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: kind of what you gleaned from the situation. 107 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, basically what convinced me to write 108 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: the article was listening to what other people in the 109 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: media and in the game were starting to say about 110 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: the situation. And a lot of the blowback that Phil 111 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: got was not necessarily about his involvement in the sportswashing enterprise, 112 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: which is I think the point of this. You know 113 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: that that is the thing that was wrong here is 114 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: that he was he was helping an oppress of government 115 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: do its business knowingly, no, very knowingly, like he was 116 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: fully aware of it, eyes wide open the whole time. 117 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: That's what's objectionable here. But it seemed like that a 118 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: lot of players, that a lot of members of the media, 119 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: what was offensive to them was that he had betrayed 120 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: the PGA tour. And so the pushback on Phil wasn't 121 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: so much we should reject this SGL because it is 122 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: an amorl endeavor. It was we should reject the SGL 123 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: because it's a threat to the PGA Tour. And this 124 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: became especially clear to me when I heard what Brandal 125 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: Shambly had to say on Golf Channel. There was, you know, 126 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: a segment that he did after Phil released his so 127 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: called apology that wasn't really apology. It was more of 128 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: an extended self justification, an attempt to you know, men 129 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: some relationships that he had broken. But you know, Brandal 130 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: said a lot of really persuasive things in this segment. 131 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: He picked apart the statement, and I think in a 132 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: really accurate way. He did mention that the Saudi Arabian 133 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: government was not the entity to do business. He did 134 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: mention those things, But the bulk of his commentary had 135 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: to do with this betrayal of the PGA Tour, and 136 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: he ended up saying, how does golf desperately need to 137 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: change the game of golf is booming, the PGA Tour 138 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: is doing extraordinarily well. And then he went on to 139 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: call the PGA Tour a very philanthropic tour that takes 140 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: care of players from the time they get out of 141 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: college until they want to hang it up. I can't 142 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: imagine a tour that takes care of players from the 143 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: beginning of their career into late age other than the etc. Etc. Etc. Obviously, 144 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 1: Brandall Shambily's employer, Golf Channel, has a very close relationship 145 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: with the PGA Tour. That became closer with the recent 146 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: media deal. And I started to realize that the reason 147 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: that people were mad with Phil and were kind of 148 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: shunning him in this moment wasn't that they wanted to 149 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: reject sports washing and golf. It's that they wanted to 150 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: prop up the PGA Tour. 151 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: You know, something I just thought of is on the 152 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: Shotguns Start, we had seller shy on who's the lead 153 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: producer of I hope I got that right. He's not executive. 154 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: I think it's lead producers. The correct title of CBS 155 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: Sports is Golf Broadcast, so what you watch on CBS. 156 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: He's done a really good job. He's been in place 157 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: for like a year. But we asked him about, you know, 158 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: the idea, because his predecessor had talked about how they're 159 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: a partner of the PGA Tour. It's a broadcast, you know, 160 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: not media. They aren't. You know, there's a very clear 161 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: delineation between being a partner and being media. And you know, 162 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: this thought just popped in my head when you were 163 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: talking about it is is Golf Channel. They're a partner 164 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: of the PGA Tour, and I think it's the same 165 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: type of relationship there. You know, what's what's beneficial for 166 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: the tour is beneficial for its partner. And I think 167 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: that's the thing that everybody needs to keep in mind 168 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: when when you're you know, with with these things, is 169 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: that that this is more of a partnership. This isn't 170 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,119 Speaker 2: a media relationship like a you know, there's no competing 171 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: media organizations right there are partners and that's it. 172 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: A lot a lot of people have a lot to 173 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: lose if the PGA Tour goes. 174 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: Down, exactly. And that's the thing is that Golf Channel. 175 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: You know, that was a question that had started to 176 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: brew up because it seemed like this was going to happen. 177 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: Was like, wait, where's this going to be telecasted? Who 178 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: has the rights? Like what's the rights to deal look like? 179 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 2: And I think one of the things is that this 180 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: threat of a competitor, whether it was the PGL off 181 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: the BAT which later turned kind of into the SGL. 182 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: When you know, the initial rejection of the PGL, which 183 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: was a couple of years ago, the premier Golf League. 184 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: Part of their investor group was the Saudis, you know, 185 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 2: and now you look back, it's like, well that was 186 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: a lot better than everything being the Sadis. Which is 187 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: what happened is the Saudis just stole the idea and 188 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 2: put all their own money into it. 189 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: Well, it's hindsight's twenty twenty, you know, we like nobody 190 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: could have predicted that the Saudis would break off and 191 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: form their own, you know, version of the Premier Golf League. 192 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 2: Well, that's what happened. They got feedback and it was like, oh, 193 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: get the Saudi Arabia money out of it, and they 194 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: tried to do that, and then all of a sudden, 195 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: you know, they just did it on. 196 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: Their own, and they have a lot less money now, 197 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: you know. That's the That's the other problem is that 198 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: the involvement of the Saudis gave them a lot of 199 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: financial might the original Premier Golf League, and once the 200 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: Saudis were out of it, it was they have a 201 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: lot less of an advantage over the PGA Tour in 202 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: that sense. 203 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: But I think you think about the last two years 204 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: of this going on, the tour has changed a lot. 205 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: We have the player what we talked about at the beginning, 206 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: the Player Impact Program we have, you know, the potential 207 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: for this NFT partnership that Phil talked about. With the 208 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: PGA Tour, we've seen, you know, talks of doing different 209 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: tournament formats and pushing in directions where the fall maybe 210 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: we don't have all these tournaments that are consequential to 211 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: the FedEx Cup. There's all these changes that are being 212 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: talked about. And what has done that is competition. Competition 213 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: is a very good thing in every single industry. It 214 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: makes companies better. If there's no competition, what happens is 215 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: the big gorilla in the room becomes complacent. And I 216 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: think that's a really good way to describe the PGA 217 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: Tour for the last twenty. 218 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: Years is incredibly complacence. 219 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: Yes, And the people that have been hurt the most 220 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: by the complacency of the tour is the fans. And 221 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: I think that is very telling of the product that 222 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: they put out. Like diehard golf fans love golf like 223 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: they're gonna show up. Regardless whether they're like thrilled about 224 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: showing up or not is different. But if they're really 225 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: excited about showing up, you're gonna you're gonna broad the net. 226 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: They're gonna people are gonna be like, wow, Like why 227 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: does Andy want to watch golf so bad? You know? 228 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing that gets missed a 229 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: little bit, especially with golf in this weird space where 230 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: you don't really have owners that have financial interest in, 231 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: you know, in the fans. 232 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: Right. 233 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: There's no owner that benefits from having sellouts at every 234 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: single tour event, right or their tour event outside of 235 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: these individual tournaments that don't really have much power. And 236 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: because of that, the complacency can be at a at 237 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: a level unseen in any other professional sport. 238 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: Really, And this is getting into what the main point 239 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: of my article was, is that one thing that Phil 240 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: was talking about to Alan Chipnook into other journalists that 241 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: he spoke to in the past couple of months. Yeah, 242 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: John Huggins Golf Digest article from early in February has 243 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: gotten somewhat swamped by the subsequent quotes that Phil Ncholson 244 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: gave to Shipnook. But that John Huggen article on Golf 245 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: Digest where Phil talked about the quote unquote obnoxious greed 246 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour was pretty sensational too, and important 247 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: for understanding where Mickelson is coming from, and part of 248 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: where he's coming from is trying to create leverage against 249 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. It is very, very difficult to change 250 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: what the PGA tour is doing for a multitude of reasons, 251 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: some of which you just described. But one of the 252 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: reasons it's so difficult to change what the PGA Tour 253 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: is doing is that they're just not incentivized to do 254 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: anything that might make the majority of its membership mad. 255 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: And right now, the majority of its membership is not 256 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: of the stature of Phil Mickelson. The majority of its 257 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: membership is these kind of middling players. I mean, nobody 258 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: who's on the PGA Tour is middling. They're all exceptional, 259 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: but in terms of PGA tour players sort of also rans. 260 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: Their interest is in making as much money as possible, 261 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: and right now the PGA tour system is designed to 262 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: kind of overpay them. But the problem is nobody knows 263 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: who these people are. They're being rewarded for no particular reason. 264 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: And so what would be better for the fans is 265 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: if there were a tour that serve the interests that 266 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: serve the interests of the top players. A little bit 267 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: more because the top players are who we want to 268 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: see week in and week out. The top players are 269 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: the ones who actually drive interest in the game. We 270 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: want to see those players reliably show up to tournaments 271 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: and compete with each other and have rivalries with each other. 272 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: But right now, the way the tour is, with all 273 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: these tournaments spread out on just about every weekend of 274 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: the year in order to give playing opportunities to the 275 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: majority of PGA Tour members, it becomes just so hard 276 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: to follow the season, and you just never know when 277 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: Roy McElroy, John Rahm, Colin Moore, kylewa Victor Hovlin. You 278 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: don't know when these guys are all going to show 279 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: up at the same tournament, and so it's just hard 280 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: to keep track of the storylines. And even when there's 281 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: a strong field, not everybody is there. 282 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: And the other thing is that you have these huge 283 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: high points in the story of the season, and you 284 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: can make an argument that some of the lowest of 285 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: lows are in between them, those weeks between majors because 286 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: none of the guys are playing. 287 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: And then there's the FedEx Cup playoffs, which are nothing, 288 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, like even players are starting to speak up 289 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: about how lacking in juice the FedEx Cup playoffs are. 290 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: Nobody wants them, nobody's interested in them. This should be 291 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: a high point of the season, but it's not so. 292 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: The and this is I think the the I guess 293 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: the substance of the SGL as a threat, you know, 294 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: beyond once you get past the not so good humanitarian things, 295 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: the bad humanitarian aspect. 296 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: Let's just pretend that this con is being put forward 297 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: by the Premier Golf League without the Saudi backing. 298 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you look at it from that sense, is like, oh, 299 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: the playoffs like would be pretty cool if it was 300 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 2: twenty events and the players were at all twenty events, 301 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: Like you'd have some really cohesive storyline. I'm you know, 302 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: it's going to be really interesting to compare it. Contrast 303 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: the Netflix documentary with the F one stuff that they're doing. 304 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: Obviously they're doing a F one Drive to Survive style documentary. 305 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: Is like, I just was going through my head, It 306 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: is like, how do you do the F one stuff? 307 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: If Hamilton and Verstapen aren't at every like that's the 308 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 2: you know, overriding kind of big story, right, and if 309 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: they just aren't at races, kills the story. There's no story. 310 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I mean so it's become almost a cliche 311 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: to compare Formula one to golf and talk about all 312 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: the things that Formula one does better. But I think 313 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: it's a really interesting comparison because the sports have quite 314 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: a few similarities in the way that they're kind of 315 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: individual sports with these interesting, sometimes kind of cranky characters 316 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: who form rivalries with each other. But in F one, 317 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: it's just twenty drivers. That's all you're following over the 318 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: course of the season. They're at every single race because 319 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: they can't miss a race. If one of those drivers 320 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: is not in the race, then that means that they're 321 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: injured or sick or something has happened. But they're at 322 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: every single race, and so you get these great kind 323 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: of season long dramas like we had last season with 324 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: Verstappen and Hamilton, but also between the teams that are 325 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: farther down the order that don't have as fast cars, 326 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: there are rivalries between them too, and interesting characters that 327 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: we as fans get to know over the course of 328 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: the season because we're seeing them at every single race 329 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: and kind of getting familiar with their quirks and their relationships. 330 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: With each other and all that stuff. Golf has absolutely 331 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: none of that. 332 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think like the thing that you know, 333 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: for golf, what's missing out? Right, we're talking about F one, 334 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: but like what is missing out is that imagine last year, Right, 335 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: You've got a guy like Ricky Fowler who's like on 336 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: the down in a decline. His decline in a way 337 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: gets muted because he's not everywhere. Right, It's like, okay, 338 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: place here, He's not there, like it. It gets like diminished, 339 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: like you kind of hear about it every month once, 340 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: but the weeks in between when he plays mutes it. 341 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: And then on the other side of the coin, you've 342 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: got a guy like Sam Burns who had like a 343 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: meteoric rise and we got to the end of the 344 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: year and everybody's like, oh what great year Sam Burns had, 345 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 2: and people talked about it during but the same thing 346 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: happened is like this guy coming like this young star 347 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: is kind of trampled by these intermitten weeks when he's 348 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: not playing, and these other pop up stories that are 349 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: really a lot of times insignificant, like whoever won the 350 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: John Deere I can't remember, you know, whoever won the 351 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: John Deere? Whoever won the three m Like, these things 352 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: come in and they and they kind of trample down 353 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: the big stories, the ones that people like that you 354 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: can build on. And what it does is it really 355 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: hinders the top players, which Phil has. I don't think 356 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: he's gotten fully there to Maybe he has, but he wants. 357 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: The money, like he's motivated by the. 358 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 2: Money, the money, but he doesn't understand the harm that 359 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: this does to the big stories which are generated by 360 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: the big name players. Like why people don't like it's 361 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: really hard, Like you ask somebody who's your favorite golfer 362 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 2: A lot of times, like I my entire life, I've 363 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: kind of just been like, I don't know, you know, 364 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: outsided Tiger. It's like, you know Tiger, I don't know 365 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: who else. And it's like, well, why you don't have 366 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 2: a feeling? Why don't you don't have Like a really 367 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: easy answer is because these stories never get to volop fully. 368 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: And think about how much this would benefit somebody like 369 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: Victor Hovland, who is tremendously likable, a great player and 370 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: up and coming young but I feel like he has 371 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: gotten the short end of the stick here in terms 372 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: of public popularity because of the way the PGA Tour 373 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: season is structured. He hasn't starred enough, he hasn't been 374 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: put out front enough, he hasn't been given the opportunity 375 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: to bring to people his engaging personality and his fun style. 376 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 2: Of play well. And then you also think, like a 377 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: good example of this is Brooks Kopka right where Brooks Kepka, 378 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: you know, he flew under the radar for a long time, 379 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 2: felt like he was getting disrespected all the time, and 380 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you know, and people were like, well, 381 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 2: he's a dial tone. He has nothing to say. Was 382 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 2: what the general consensus on brooks Koepka was for years. 383 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: Oh he's got nothing to say, and then all of 384 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 2: a sudden one year he just comes out guns ablazon 385 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: with all these opinions. But it's just because he was 386 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: actually given the opportunity to talk because he had become 387 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: such a big star from all the major success and 388 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: he had gotten passed, you know, and all of a sudden, 389 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, this guy actually says stuff of 390 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: substance like we have you know, this is it's unbelievable 391 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 2: how blunt this guy is. Like he probably was pretty 392 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: similar to that, but he just hasn't ever afforded the opportunity. 393 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: And this is someone very in the similar vein that 394 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: had this meteoric rise but was drowned out by everything 395 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,719 Speaker 2: else going on, way too much stuff going on. It's like, 396 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: you know, it's like, I imagine you probably could sympathize 397 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: to this. When you edit something somebody sends you ten 398 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: thousand words and you edit it down to three thousand words, 399 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: it probably gets a lot clearer what the actual point 400 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: of the article is. 401 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, concision focus is a big deal in both writing 402 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: and in the presentation of a sports entertainment product. And 403 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: the problem that the PGA Tour has right now is 404 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: that there are too many tournaments, too many players, and 405 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: it's disjointed and people don't get a clear idea of 406 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 1: what's actually happening and who the true characters in this 407 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: game are, who the true best players in the game are, 408 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: and just what to focus on week to week. That's 409 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: the problem with the product, and to bring it back home. 410 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: The reason that problem is so intractable, the reason the 411 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: PGA Tour wouldn't be able to fix that problem on 412 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: their own, is that the top players don't have much 413 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: leverage against the PGA Tour. It's the majority of players 414 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: who have leverage against the PGA Tour. Their interests are 415 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: served by this schedule and by this structure of things. 416 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: And if the Phills of the world had, you know, 417 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: more say in how the PGA Tour did its business, 418 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: then I think the fans would benefit. Yes, the top 419 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: players would benefit too, They'd get more money. And that 420 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: is what Phil's interest is. I don't think he's super 421 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: interested in what the fans think, but I think that 422 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: in pursuing that advantage, that the top players having more 423 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: influence would benefit the fans in the end. And that 424 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: is that is the big point that people are kind 425 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: of missing from what Phil was trying to do. That 426 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: what he was trying to do might have actually, in 427 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: a weird way, if he were doing it differently with 428 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: clean money, might have helped improve the PGA Tour. But 429 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: that's getting lost now because you know, Brandal's out there 430 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: on Golf Channel shouting about the PGA Tour pension. 431 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's a big thing here, is 432 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: that you know, it started talking about how the owners 433 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: and other sports or proxies for the fans way the 434 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: only way golf can function really well, is if the 435 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: top players, the people who stand to make the most money, 436 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: if the sport's uber popular, are the top players, and 437 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: they are actually the people that could be the proxy 438 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: for the fans, they would understand. Mike phil talked about it. 439 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: I'd be miked up all the time. I'd mike everything 440 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 2: up if if I saw financial benefit from it. But 441 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: I don't see any I don't see a dollar more 442 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: if I agree to be miked up. And he talked 443 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: about that, like if that paradigm shifted, because right now, 444 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: you know, the majority of the PGA Tour is guys 445 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: that are just happy to be up there making millions 446 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: of dollars playing golf. The guys at the very top 447 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 2: see the huge financial opportunity that they bring that they have, 448 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: and that they the value that they bring to the 449 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 2: PGA Tour, which is why, you know, it seemed like 450 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 2: a fair good, fair chunk of them were ready to 451 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: break despite you know, the awfulness of the Saudi Arabia regime. 452 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: You know, like that's the thing, and that I think 453 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: is one of the other aspects of this that really sucks, 454 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 2: is that Saudi Arabia is now the eight hundred pound 455 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 2: gorilla in the room and is preventing anybody else from 456 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 2: creating an upstart league that could potentially disrupt the PGA Tour. 457 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody is hurt more by the Super Golf League 458 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: than the Premier Golf League. They just don't have a 459 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: port of entry anymore into the golf world, and that's 460 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: a bummer. Now, I'm not sure that I necessarily want 461 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: there to be a big schism in men's professional golf 462 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: where there's the PGA Tour and then this breakaway super 463 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: league that has nothing to do with it. What I'm 464 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: interested in is some pressure being applied to the PGA Tour, 465 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: because from my perspective, the PGA Tour's current product couldn't 466 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: really get much worse. 467 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: Listen, and this is from two people that love golf 468 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 2: and that watch golf every week. We like I have to. 469 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: It's like, I, you know, if anything, you know, like 470 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: like we're the ones that like you Sometimes I you know, 471 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: it's Saturday afternoon and I'm sitting there watching golf on 472 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: like a beautiful Saturday, and I think to myself, what 473 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 2: the hell am I doing right now? Like what like 474 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: why am I watching this? And it's because, you know, 475 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: your your core fans are never gonna leave, but you 476 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 2: can alienate them, you know. And I think that's like 477 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: part of this like next generation of golf fans. I 478 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: don't think they watch as much golf as they just 479 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 2: enjoy the commentary around it. They enjoy the social media 480 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: aspect of it. And you know, I think one of 481 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: the mistakes that the tour makes is that they they 482 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: might be aware that their product's not great, right, but 483 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 2: the worst thing you could do when you don't have 484 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 2: a great product is do more of it. You shouldn't 485 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: put your product out there more. It's a very counterintuitive thing. 486 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: It's like, well, like, if our product's not good, we 487 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: need more volume. But that's no, No, that's not what 488 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: you should do. You should have less of it. 489 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: You know. It just makes things worse for the. 490 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: Because yeah, and it makes your flaws more and more apparent. 491 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: And that's the thing is that like the the deficiencies 492 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 2: of the coverage, the deficiencies in the product of like 493 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: you know, who's you know with you know, you go 494 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 2: on a leaderboard and week to week you care about 495 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: twenty percent of the leader board that that's not good. 496 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: Today's pod is brought to you by Frida Egg Events. 497 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: So we have events that are coming up for registration. 498 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: We have meadow Brook that will be up on Monday 499 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: at noon. 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It is really neat routing. 505 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: The front nine place around the entire outside of the property. 506 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: It's kind of like a big bowl, so you kind 507 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: of play along the top and then the back nine 508 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: weaves its way through the inner part of the property. 509 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: A really great place, very few level eized great green sites. 510 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: And they also have one of the best superintendents in 511 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: the country, Scott Anderson, who keeps that place like a 512 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: rocket ship. It's just so firm and fast and really 513 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: was a trend center with a lot of maintenance practices 514 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: that have become in vogue today. So that is a 515 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 2: great event, the Cheese Steak. You can find these on 516 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: our website. If you go to Thefrida egg dot com. 517 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: There's an events tab and that will direct you to 518 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: all the upcoming registrations as well as the events the 519 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: Cheese Steak and the Stalemate at Meadowbrook. Thanks and back 520 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: to our discussion on Phil Mickelson. 521 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: Where do you think Phil goes from here? What do 522 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: you think is next for him? 523 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: It's a great question. I mean, I nobody knows what 524 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: his status is with the tour. He could be suspended. 525 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. An underrated part of the Shipnook article is Phil 526 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: admitting that he and three other big time players hired 527 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: lawyers to draft up and operating an agreement for the 528 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 1: Super Golf League, and not more than anything else than 529 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: that he said might be the main thing that gets 530 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: him potentially suspended or banished from the tour. 531 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: He is obviously burnt up not only capital within the 532 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: PGA Tour that he had built up over thirty years 533 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 2: of being one of the tour's highest profile players big 534 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: ticket items like he burnt up a lot of internal 535 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: capital with the tour and their employees, but he also 536 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: built up a lot of capital with his peers on 537 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: the PGA Tour's colleagues on the PGA Tour, which I 538 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: don't like, you know, Phil seems to be a guy 539 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: that likes to be liked, and I think that's gonna 540 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: be a tough thing for him if he goes back 541 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: to the tour. You know, it's gonna be a lot 542 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: different feel around the tour because of his actions. But 543 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 2: that being said, it's golf sometimes a lot, you know, 544 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: things just get brushed over and everything's acts like everything's 545 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: you know, rosy and everything's all good. So you know, 546 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: I mean, he's a reigning PGA champion, Like I think 547 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: that's another underrated aspect of this whole thing. The guy 548 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: won a major last year, like this is we're ten 549 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: months removed from one of the greatest major championship moments 550 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: in the history of golf. 551 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: He was literally posing in the Kiowa sunset with his 552 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: trophy less than a year ago. And that's a big 553 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: reason I think that, you know, I think that Phil 554 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: still has a lot of leftover good will among the public, 555 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: and I think that there will be eventually an argument 556 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: that's persuasive to a lot of people that he got 557 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: screwed in this whole affair. Now I don't necessarily agreed 558 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: with that, I agree with that, I think he was 559 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: intentionally putting himself out in front of this, being the 560 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: public face of the Saudi League, in order to take 561 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: some of the heat off the other guys and be 562 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: able to recruit more players. I think he was doing 563 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: this very knowingly, and he has nobody to blame but himself. Again, 564 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: but I think eventually people will ask the question, well, 565 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: why didn't all these other guys get the same treatment? 566 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 2: I think that should question should be asked now actually 567 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: with a lot of. 568 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: Okay, here's a list. These are players who played in 569 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two Saudi International. Abraham Answer, Paul Casey, 570 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: Bryce and De Shamba, Tommy Fleetwood, Sergio Garcia, Tyrol Hatton, 571 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson, Jason Cocrack, Graham McDowell, come on, Graham, Kevin 572 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: nah Joquing Neeman, Louis Use, tazan Ian, Poulter, Xander Schoffle, 573 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 1: Hendrik Stenson, Harold Varner, Johnny Vegas, Bubba Watson, and your 574 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: boy Lee Westwood. 575 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: Tony was in there, too, right or yeah? 576 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: Actually, I don't know. That's a good question. He has 577 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: played in the in this tournament before for sure, But 578 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: all those names I just ran through. We're in the 579 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: Saudi International Field. Now, rumors are rumors. I'm not gonna, 580 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, report them as fact. But I have heard 581 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: those names mentioned as people who were very interested in 582 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: the SGL. I'm not sure how many of them are 583 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: still interested. But guess what they were in this as 584 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: much as Phil Mickelson was. These guys are not done. 585 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 2: They weren't draft in the agreement. And that's but who 586 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: are the other two. 587 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: Three other players? Three other players? Who are they? That's 588 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: a good question. 589 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I think one of the things 590 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: I was thinking about this the other day, the most 591 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 2: popular like TV shows have had this unbelievable resurgence, and 592 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 2: it's really all centered around the same type of TV 593 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 2: show with a you know, for the most part, there's 594 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 2: going to be some outliers, but this like this essentially 595 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 2: main character who has very very clear character flaws. 596 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: They're talking about an anti hero. 597 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 2: An anti hero, yes, you go back the Sopranos, Tony Soprano, 598 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 2: the Wire, the Walter Yeah, Walter White, breaking bad mad 599 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 2: Man John hamm and mad Menn Don Draper not a 600 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 2: good guy, but like extremely like likable characteristics where you 601 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 2: find yourself And I think that's the draws like you 602 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: find yourself rooting for this guy or this person that's 603 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 2: not a good person. And I think that's like a 604 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: lot of the draw of these TV shows. But it's 605 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 2: been a recipe for TV. And the thing that is 606 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 2: it was is crazy about golf is the two biggest stars, 607 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 2: Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson, fit this this exact character profile. 608 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: And they have for a long time. But Phil Mickelson 609 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: hasn't necessarily embraced that. Like his image to a lot 610 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: of people was the good guy. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm 611 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: gonna give you a thumbs up, I'm gonna I'm gonna 612 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: look you in the eye and say your name. If 613 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: you're paired with me in a pro am, I'm gonna 614 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: sign your kids, you know, golf ball or golf glove, 615 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, that was his image. But for I mean, 616 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: the the anti Phil sentiment has been building for decades, 617 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: the whole fig Jam thing early in his career. I know, 618 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: rumors have been going around about Phil for a year 619 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,479 Speaker 1: and years and years, and then recently what he's had, 620 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: the insider trading scandal, the Tom Watson execution at the 621 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: Ryder Cup, hitting a moving putt at the twenty eighteen 622 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: US Open. 623 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 2: The golf ball, so the equipment switch right before the 624 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 2: Ryder Cup. 625 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 1: This has been going for years and years and years, 626 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: but the public image that he was trying to put 627 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: across just didn't fit with it. Now those that backstory 628 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: has caught up with him, and so it'll be interesting 629 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: to see how he incorporates that or doesn't or tries 630 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 1: to tries to reject it and move on with another image. 631 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: But he could try to, you know, embrace the anti hero. 632 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's likely. 633 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: It was just something I thought about this weekend about 634 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: the two huge superstars and how they fit this bill, 635 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 2: because I think in a way like they embody like 636 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 2: what happens to you when you're out in the open 637 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 2: for thirty years is like everybody has laws, you know, 638 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 2: and these guys have flaws. They aren't perfect. They make mistakes. 639 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 2: Phil Phil's made a terrible mistake, you know, and he 640 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 2: overplayed his hand. The quotes coming out like saying that 641 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 2: to somebody, whether it was on or off the record, 642 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 2: you know, it seems like it was on. 643 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: If you were to make a list of all the 644 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: dumbest things to say in his situation, he said them 645 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: to Alan Hipknuck and a few of them did. John Huggin, Yeah, 646 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: what are you doing? 647 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 2: And and that's you know, in a way like I mean, 648 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 2: I think the smartest thing he could have done, which 649 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,959 Speaker 2: he didn't do, was he should have just been like, yeah, 650 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I wanted this to blow up. I was 651 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 2: just using this as leverage, like I didn't want you know, 652 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 2: That's why I said what I said to Alan ship 653 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: knuk Is. I wanted this all to blow up. I 654 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 2: didn't want the Saudis to win. And and here it 655 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 2: came to the eleventh hour and that's when it blew up. 656 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 2: I blew it up, you know, like thank you. 657 00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: You know, you could take credit for that. 658 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 2: That's the way he should have played, like, you know, 659 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 2: if you that's the way he probably the only way 660 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 2: he could have played this where he came out looking 661 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:08,919 Speaker 2: like a good guy. 662 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,959 Speaker 1: Well it maybe the only way he could have played 663 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: it to retain the support of the PGA Tour. And 664 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: the big thing that has happened with Phil in these 665 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: past couple of weeks is that he lost the support 666 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour. And once he lost that, I mean, 667 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: it takes a lot to lose it. Remember, like Patrick 668 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: Reid is still supported by the PGA Tourah in spite 669 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 1: of in spite of everything that guy's done. I think 670 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson still basically had Pontovidra's support until he came 671 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 1: out and said I actually helped draft the operating agreement 672 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 1: for his breakaway to her. Now that support is cut off, 673 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: and now everybody's coming after him. The players are coming 674 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: after him, the PGA Tours boosters in the media are 675 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: coming after him, and he doesn't have that protection anymore now. 676 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: It's it'll be interesting to see if he tries to 677 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: get back in their good graces. This episode was edited 678 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 1: by me and Meg Atkins. If you have a minute, 679 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: we'd love for you to leave a rating and review 680 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: of the Friday podcast in iTunes. Just doing that is 681 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: a simple way to support us and help us find 682 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: new listeners. Thanks for being here today and we'll see 683 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: you next week.