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Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is

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Speaker 2: A family of three was found dead at a remote

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Speaker 2: Colorado campsite last month, after relatives say the trio was

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Speaker 2: trying to live off the grid. Forty two year old

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Speaker 2: Rebecca Vance, her fourteen year old son, and her forty

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Speaker 2: one year old sister, Christina Vance, were found partially mummified

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Speaker 2: in the Gunnison National Forest after a hikers stumbled across

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Speaker 2: their tent in early July. Officials believe they'd likely been

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Speaker 2: camping since July of last year and may have died

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Speaker 2: during the winter. Their relatives say they had grown distrustful

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Speaker 2: of the media and the modern world during the COVID

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Speaker 2: nineteen pandemic, and they were hoping to escape the dangers

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Speaker 2: of modern society. But they reportedly had very little outdoor experience,

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Speaker 2: and they found another set of dangers in the woods.

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Speaker 2: Travala Jara, the sister of the two women, told The

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Speaker 2: Washington Posts they were relying on YouTube videos and online

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Speaker 2: research to survive by themselves. They rejected offers to use

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Speaker 2: an RV and a generator and instead tried to build

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Speaker 2: a lean to shelter. They were surviving on canned food, soup,

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Speaker 2: and other prepackaged items, but they were unable to complete

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Speaker 2: an insulated shelter by winter. The local corner thinks they

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Speaker 2: may have died due to starvation or extreme cold, but

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Speaker 2: an official cause of death hasn't been announced. Jarra says

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Speaker 2: her sisters refused to tell her where they'd be, so

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Speaker 2: when she didn't hear from them for several months, she

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Speaker 2: wasn't able to find them. If you're going out into

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Speaker 2: the woods, even if it's to live off the grid

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Speaker 2: and away from society, it may be a good idea

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Speaker 2: to let at least someone know where you'll be. It

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Speaker 2: could be the thing that saves your life when your

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Speaker 2: off grid life doesn't pan out. This week, we've got

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Speaker 2: the crime desk legislation getting the let out and I

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Speaker 2: don't mean Zeppelin. But first I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 2: about my week. In my week, you know, it was packed,

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Speaker 2: as per usual. One of the most interesting and important

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Speaker 2: things to happen was an order to deny a stay

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Speaker 2: requested by the plaintiff, Iron Bar Holdings in the Wyoming

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Speaker 2: Corner Crossing case. That case, of course, has already been

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Speaker 2: judged once, but if you recall, Iron Bar Holdings has

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Speaker 2: filed an appeal, that appeal process will hopefully happen sometime

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Speaker 2: this year. The Tenth Circuit Court meets again in September.

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Speaker 2: A stay of opinion is a request that can be

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Speaker 2: made which essentially puts the original ruling on hold. In

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Speaker 2: this instance, the stay was requested to be in place

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Speaker 2: until the case could be reheard in the appeals court.

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Speaker 2: Just as Skovdaal in his judgment to deny the request

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Speaker 2: for a stay of opinion, lays out the reasons one

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Speaker 2: could be granted a stay and then goes through each

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Speaker 2: of those reasons and explains why he chose to deny

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Speaker 2: the request. We're going to dig into this a whole

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Speaker 2: lot deeper, as it is really interesting, but the takeaway

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Speaker 2: that everyone should keep in mind is literally written into

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Speaker 2: the end of the judge's order quote the actions of

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Speaker 2: a few can ruin the opportunities for many, meaning that

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Speaker 2: had the Missouri Corner Crossers behaved in any way other

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Speaker 2: than respectful law biting and courteous, the stay of judgment

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Speaker 2: could have been granted, and the outlook on corner crossing

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Speaker 2: a lot more dubious than it is right now. Hunting

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Speaker 2: season is coming right up our tree. Antelope is down

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Speaker 2: near here. In Montana, fall bear seasons rapidly approach. Early

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Speaker 2: wilderness hunts, even depredation private land elk hunts start within

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Speaker 2: a few days of listening to this podcast. Remember that

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Speaker 2: everyone is excited for seasons and opportunities to start. Be patient,

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Speaker 2: be polite, and if you are in Wyoming and you

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Speaker 2: do intend to corner cross, be darn sure to know

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Speaker 2: where you are. Know that rudeness for behavior or any

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Speaker 2: intent other than moving from public ground to public ground

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Speaker 2: could derail a more straightforward future with non confrontational public

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Speaker 2: access to public land for all of us. Please take

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Speaker 2: a minute to read the order to deny the stay.

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Speaker 2: We'll have it up at the meat eater dot com

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Speaker 2: forward slash col There's some really great lines in there,

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Speaker 2: if I do say so myself, And if you're in

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Speaker 2: or near Wyoming and want to be more informed, TRCP

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Speaker 2: and Wyoming BHA are hosting a series of listening sessions

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Speaker 2: around the state. Next couple are conveniently located in breweries.

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Speaker 2: If you know a landowner that could be interested in

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Speaker 2: telling their side of the story how corner crossing has

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Speaker 2: affected them or could possibly affect them, please let them

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Speaker 2: know and get them over to Evanston, Wyoming. Sudds Brothers

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Speaker 2: Brewing six pm. August eighth, Rock Springs, Wyoming, Square State

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Speaker 2: Brewing six pm August ninth, Blacktooth Brewing six pm, Casper, Wyoming,

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Speaker 2: August tenth. I will be on the road to Buffalo,

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Speaker 2: Wyoming for the nearest session to me just as soon

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Speaker 2: as I get done talking to you, and for the

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Speaker 2: last bit of housekeeping before we move on. As many

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Speaker 2: of you are aware, I am on the International Board

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Speaker 2: for Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. Our longtime leader, President and CEO,

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Speaker 2: Lantani of BHA, has stepped down after ten plus years

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Speaker 2: at the Helm Land was able to accomplish in just

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Speaker 2: five short years what most people said could not be done,

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Speaker 2: grow a grassroots, member driven organization from just a handful

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Speaker 2: of people to over fifty thousand members strong. BHA participates

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Speaker 2: in stewardship projects, access projects, habitat restoration, but possibly what

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Speaker 2: we're the best known for is advocacy on behalf of

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Speaker 2: our wild places, our hunting and angling rights and access

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Speaker 2: to wild places. We're one of the very few organizations

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Speaker 2: out there that will take anyone who is interested and

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Speaker 2: give you the tools to be the best possible advocate

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Speaker 2: for the things you love and your family loves to

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Speaker 2: go out and do on the weekends or during those

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Speaker 2: precious weeks of paid VAKA. If you are interested in applying,

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Speaker 2: go to Backcountry hunters dot org, forward slash Careers and

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Speaker 2: here's a fun fact for you. If you choose to

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Speaker 2: pursue this and get the job, I would then get

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Speaker 2: to be one of your bosses. Doesn't that sound like fun?

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Speaker 2: Are we having fun yet? Moving on to the crime desk,

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Speaker 2: seven men were charged in Illinois last week for killing

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Speaker 2: more than twenty wild turkeys with AR fifteen rifles equipped

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Speaker 2: with thermal optics and suppressors. A twenty eight year old

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Speaker 2: ironically named hunter Baxter and his thirty eight year old buddy,

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Speaker 2: Dustin Goldsmith, face the worst of the charges, including several felonies.

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Speaker 2: Their five hunting buddies were also charged with misdemeanors in

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Speaker 2: connection to this poaching operation, and between the seven of them,

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Speaker 2: they face a wopping sixty three charges. If these yahos

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Speaker 2: were using thermal optics to hunt turkeys, that means they

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Speaker 2: were probably shooting them out of trees at night while

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Speaker 2: I really don't have anything wrong with shooting the bird

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Speaker 2: out of a tree, if you know, if that's your

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Speaker 2: means of getting meat in a limited time frame. However,

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Speaker 2: shooting probably solid core amo cheap two two three stuff

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Speaker 2: very dangerous in fact. Jumping over to California, the National

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Speaker 2: Park Service is investigating the mysterious death of five burrows

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Speaker 2: in Death Valley National Park. The wild donkeys had all

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Speaker 2: and officials aren't sure who did it or why. Like

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Speaker 2: wild horses or mustangs, burrows are not native to North America.

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Speaker 2: They were brought in by Spaniards in the fifteen hundreds,

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Speaker 2: and they can damage sensitive ecosystems and compete for food

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Speaker 2: US Congress passed a law in nineteen seventy one designating

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Speaker 2: wild horses and burrows as quote living symbols of the

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Speaker 2: historic and pioneer spirit of the West. Federal agencies are

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Speaker 2: now in the difficult position of having to protect these

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Speaker 2: This is not to say anyone is justified in gunning

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Speaker 2: true that burrows, despite what you may have heard from

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Speaker 2: at least one famous green ogre, are not entirely harmless.

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Speaker 2: We could see I late swapping manless stars, and in

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Speaker 1: I'm making waffles.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of mysteries, the Nebraska Game and Parks Commission is

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Speaker 2: searching for the person who killed six elk last week

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Speaker 2: in the northern part of the state. Elk's season does

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Speaker 2: The US Fish and Wildlife Service plans to indict to

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Speaker 2: Alaska men for their role in running an illegal bear

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Speaker 2: guiding service that offered clients prostitutes and the chance to

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Speaker 2: profit from selling bear gallbladders. That's right, prostitutes and gall bladders.

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Speaker 2: Buckle up, folks. Investigators say that John Lang, who went

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Speaker 2: He got the undercover agent's bear tags by pretending that

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Speaker 2: they unsurprisingly saw no bears. But he did offer to

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Speaker 2: been used in traditional Chinese medicine for thousands of years.

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Speaker 2: both Lang and Phelan have been arrested in June, and

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Speaker 2: Lang was charged with attempted violation of the Lacy Act,

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Speaker 2: illegal possession of a firearm by an alien, wire fraud,

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Speaker 2: money laundering, and several others. If you'd like more of

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Speaker 2: the interesting deats, check out the article by Eli Fournier

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Speaker 2: on the medieater dot com. The father of an NFL

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Speaker 2: player admitted last week to killing a bald eagle that

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Speaker 2: had been living in a Pittsburgh suburb. The US Attorney's

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Speaker 2: Office announced that fifty year old to Rodney Thomas had

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Speaker 2: one million jokes I could tell about how the elder

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Speaker 2: Thomas clearly has a problem with the Philadelphia Eagles, another

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Speaker 2: NFL team, But I'm going to restrain myself You're welcome anyway.

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Speaker 2: with an air rifle in Mount Pleasant, Pennsylvania. The bird

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Speaker 2: angry that the name of the perpetrator wasn't released for

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Speaker 2: but I suppose stranger things have happened. In Texas, a

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Speaker 2: Carnes County game warden was called to the scene of

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