1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: and it's Monday. It's actually not Monday when we're recording this, 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: but it's Monday for you, and we're ready to go. 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: We got Carney the mail bought here, rob would you 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: like to jump right in with this email from Samara? Sure? 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: This one is an email responding to a Vault episode. 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: So it's actually a response to an episode that published 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: like the year prior, but it has to do with 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: the Star Lac episode that we did. But we talked 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: about the star Lac from Star Wars and some things 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: in the natural world that that line up with it. 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: So samaraw Right, Hello, Robert and Joe. I've only recently 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: been introduced your wonderful podcast, and over the past year, 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: the nexus at which my art, theology and science signaps 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: is intersect has lit up like a Christmas tree. Your 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: recent replay of the starlike episode was fabulous, but I 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: was a little surprised you didn't deep dive into the 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: conundrum that has confused and horrified me. Since childhood. How 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: could a living organism with an average lifespan be kept 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: alive long enough to endure the suffering of being slowly 23 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: digested over a thousand years? I now wonder if I 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: had taken this too literally, although a recent pandemic inspired 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: reviewing of World War Z had me asking the same question. 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: How could a zombie host organism remain without food for 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: so long, or bleed out from injuries and simply not expire? 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: Surely if the host stars or sustains oregon damage, the 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: zombie does too. I'm aware of organisms such as tartar 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: grades that are preternaturally resilient and long living, but I 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: am yet to hear of mammals or any creature within 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: the animal kingdom being held in suspended animation due to 33 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: a virus. I am, however, very happy to put overthinking 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: it to one side and enjoy all things unanswerable for 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: the sheer entertainment value. Thanks for continuing to delve into 36 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: the weirdness such robust research in a commitment to intrigue. 37 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: Warmest regards tomorrow. Well, this is funny because I thought 38 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: we did talk about this, but maybe we talked about 39 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: it off Mike the confusion. I remember thinking when I 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, slowly digested over a thousand years. 41 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: The implication is that somehow it makes you live for 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: a thousand years. And I was like, well, what if 43 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: we could harness the Sarlac technology, like whatever the Sarlac 44 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: does to extend your lifespan, but without the digestion part. Yeah, 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess the different ways of interpreting it. 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: You could say, well, okay, it's for one thing. You 47 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: could say it's a legend. It's a local legend about 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: an organism, so it doesn't actually digestive for a thousand years, 49 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: though perhaps it's digestive system does take a long time. Um, 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: but you're not gonna be alive through all of it. 51 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: Or you could go in the other direction, you know, 52 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: where it will feel like it takes a thousand years 53 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: because it will be so painful. Again, I'm not sure 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: whose testimony that is relying on. I mean, uh uh. 55 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: I guess some people do make their way out. We 56 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: know of at least one that did. But then again, 57 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: it is Star Wars. It is a galaxy far far away, 58 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 1: So perhaps there is some reason and some way that 59 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: an organism is kept alive inside the you know, digestive 60 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: process of this vast creature. Yeah, the star like uses 61 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: the force to keep you alive for a thousand years 62 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: while it digests you. Anyway, somebody follow up on that, 63 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: get get one of those life extension gurus down down 64 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: in there and see what's going on. Well, you know, 65 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: it's what you said, is not impossible, right if if 66 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: if you find um mendic glareans in all beings and 67 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: it's just you know, the higher higher rates that produce uh, 68 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, four sensitive individuals, then I don't know, there 69 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: could be something unique going on inside the star lac. 70 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: You know, maybe if it swallows you and your force 71 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: sensitive or maybe there's yeah, who knows, maybe there's some 72 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: sort of um, you know, a process us by which uh, 73 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: these tiny organisms are themselves digest in the digested in 74 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: the starlac. I don't know. Okay, maybe we should go 75 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: onto this next message that is also a straggler about 76 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: an older episode. This was about the episode on Invented Words. 77 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: This comes from Chris. Chris says, Hi, Robert and Joe, 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: longtime listener from Australia. Here this is a bit of 79 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: a throwback, but I wanted to contact you about your 80 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: episode on Invented Words. In the episode, you suggested that 81 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: the words selfie was merely the result of a creative 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: Australian on the Internet. But I think there's more to 83 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: it than that. In Australia, we regularly add on to 84 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: the ends of words, either an E or an O. 85 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: For example, tradespeople, plumbers, landscapers, et cetera are often referred 86 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: to as trade e s. Taking a sick day is 87 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: referred to as chucking a sick e uh, and executing 88 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: a U turn while driving is refer two as doing 89 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: a UEI. We have that last one, at least here 90 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: in the United States. But then Chris goes on a 91 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: cigarette or tea break is a smoke O, a rough 92 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: or uncouth person is a darrow from derelict, and a 93 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: service station or gas station is a servo. These are 94 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: just a few examples among many many others. Sometimes it's 95 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: most appropriate to add an O and other times an E. 96 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: But I'm not a linguist, so I couldn't explain why. 97 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: All I can say is that if I had to 98 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: add to the end of the word self it would 99 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: be with an E. So the invention of the selfie 100 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: may actually just be the result of a language convention 101 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: of spoken Australian English. Many thanks for all your great work, 102 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: Chris PS. I'm currently working on a study of invertebrate 103 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: and vegetation recovery after bush fire. It means lots of 104 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: time spent on a microscope counting ants and sorting them 105 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: into subfamilies. Uh. And I think he's referring to you here, Rob, 106 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: your son may enjoy the sub family A mer MESSI 107 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: an E I hope I said that right. It's M 108 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: y R M E C I I in a big 109 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 1: bloody mandibles. You can't go wrong, Chris. Oh yeah, that's 110 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: right up his alley, superindo hands right now now, I 111 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: thought we this is yet another one where I have 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: a memory of us talking about this feature of Australian English, 113 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: like the adding an e to the end of an 114 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: e sound to the end of things. I think it's 115 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: usually spelled with an I E. Chris did spell it 116 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: that way in the email. Uh did this not come 117 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: up in the episode? I don't remember. I remember I 118 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: vaguely remember us doing this episode, and I remember there 119 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: being some source or sources we were looking at that 120 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: were doing that had examined the history of selfie and 121 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: tried to find some sort of an answer for it, 122 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: and and yeah it was somehow traced to Australia. But yeah, 123 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: it's been a while since I listened to that one. 124 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: I do remember thinking that the earliest written example of 125 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: it anybody could find was an Internet comment, like a 126 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: forum post is always an embarrassing origin for a word, 127 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: but then again it makes sense that it would be 128 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: be connected to this, just the the Australian usage um. 129 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: This also reminds me of um. And this is not 130 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: something that I think was a comment commentary on any 131 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: actual uh, you know, linguistic or slang tendency, but just 132 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: for the the style of writing the skit. Uh, there's 133 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: the Key and Peel skit about action movies where the 134 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: two chauffeurs talking about Liam Neeson movies and they refer 135 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: to him as Liam Neeson's And I saw a bit 136 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: with Key and People where they were talking about like 137 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: the rule for writing the sketch for subsequent sketches was 138 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: that you have an actor's name ends in an S, 139 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: you take the S off and if it doesn't end 140 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: in an S, you add the s. So thus you 141 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: get like uh, Bruce Willie, Bruce Willie and Liam Neeson's, etcetera. 142 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: It's funny how in reality we don't usually need to 143 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: have the rules for language conventions like that spelled out. 144 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,559 Speaker 1: We just get it intuitively, you know, like he's talking 145 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: about you just know it either ends in the E 146 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: sound or the O sound. But you couldn't explain why. Yeah, 147 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: generally these things just emerged that they're not constructed so much. 148 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, I know the earliest example that 149 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: the broader world became aware of. Right, it's got to 150 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: be throw a shrimp on the barbie. Barbie means barbecue, 151 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, all right, here's another one. This one 152 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: comes to us from Jonathan on the subject of halos. 153 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: Joan rob I was wondering if you ever came across 154 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: this theory in your research of halos. I once read 155 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: a suggestion that the concept originated in ancient times, when 156 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: round plates were placed over the heads of statuary of 157 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: important persons to protect them from being defiled by bird droppings. 158 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: I love the possibility that such an ethereal symbol would 159 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: have such a base origin. Uh, Jonathan. Our next piece 160 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: of listener mail addresses this very idea, so hang tight, 161 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: and they continue quickly regarding ours. I was reminded of 162 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: an essay by Aldus Huxley where he asserts, at quote, 163 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: brilliantly illuminated by peternatural light, inwardly glowing images of bright 164 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: and purple color exist in the mind at large. Of course, 165 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: that's a whole tangent, but it adds a slightly different 166 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: view of why we may be so attracted by anything 167 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: that seems to glow of itself best, Jonathan, Jonathan, I 168 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: looked up the link you sent about about this essay 169 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: by Huxley, So this actually comes from a summary and 170 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: a review of Huxley by Paul Zucker, and I found 171 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: the original, and so, yeah, he's talking about this book 172 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: of Huxley's where Huxley is doing sort of a scientific 173 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: read on art criticism that involves, of course, a lot 174 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: of ideas about mysticism and psychedelic experiences and stuff like that. Um. 175 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: But I also came across this interesting paragraph of of 176 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: Zucker summarizing Huxley's ideas quote, the problem is actually whether 177 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: men began to prize Jim's to grind pebbles because they 178 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: wanted to reflect the other world as far as possible 179 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: in their work, or described that other world in terms 180 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: of jewels, etcetera, because they had experienced their beautifying effects 181 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: in daily life. Is the transporting power of fireworks, of 182 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: an illumination of all kinds of other glamorous spectacles and 183 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: pageantries based on the feeling of an attenuated echo of 184 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: the visionary world? Or does it merely represent a satisfaction 185 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: of a visual sense? Huxley firmly believes in the first explanation. 186 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: So they're in interrogating the idea of whether, like a 187 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: glimmers of light and shiny objects, whether that is a 188 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: sort of natural part of just what the brain does 189 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: when it's having a mystical or psychedelic or visionary experience inwardly. 190 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: And then do we seek out you know, gold and 191 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: rubies because that recreates for our eyes the experiences that 192 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: we have in our minds when we see visions, you know, 193 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: just what emerges naturally from the neurons firing in the 194 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: right way. Or is it that we have visions like 195 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: that because we know that gold and jewels and the 196 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: sun glint in that way in the real world. Yeah, 197 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: that's a great contemplation. I mean, I guess one is 198 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: tempted to take the middle ground and say that these 199 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: these two things feed into each other, or at least 200 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: that's my take. Okay. Anyway, this next message comes from 201 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Scott and it picks up on the first thing that 202 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan mentioned. Hi, Rob and Joe, longtime listener here with 203 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: either a potential insight or at least an amusing digression 204 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: on Halo's after listening to your part one episode there on. 205 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: When I first went to the Parthenon Museum in Athens 206 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: a few years ago, I read about how vertical holes 207 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: in the back of the neck of many statues of 208 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: divine beings supported a meniscus plural meniskoy, a crescent shaped 209 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: metal piece hovering over the statue which functioned to keep 210 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: birds from sitting on the head and pooping on it, 211 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: at least according to a reference in the Birds by Aristophanes. 212 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: And that's an ancient Greek satirical lay. Uh. There were 213 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: indeed many such holes in statues on display, but apparently 214 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: no surviving miniskoy, perhaps because later generations stole and melted 215 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: down the metal for some other purpose. This fact startled 216 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: me because it seemed there was an obvious connection with halos. 217 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: What if Greek statues originally had miniskoy in order to 218 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: protect their heads from bird poop, but this functional design 219 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: gradually began to be associated with divinity, only later to 220 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: enter painting and other forms. Of course, halos or other 221 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: kinds of glows exist in iconographies of other cultures and 222 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: perhaps predated miniskoy, but it is still possible that miniskoy 223 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: influenced the history of halos and other artwork. There's controversy 224 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: about miniskoy. At least one modern scholar doubts they even existed, 225 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: and perhaps Aristophanes was making some kind of joke we 226 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: can no longer quite understand, and Scott supplies a link here. Uh. 227 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: It's also possible that miniskoy were intended to be supernatural 228 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: halo and Aristophanes was joking about their function when he 229 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: knew full well they weren't there to keep birds off 230 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: the heads, or perhaps this was only a secondary, fortuitous function. 231 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: But I remained surprised that, at least as far as 232 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: I can tell, there is little or no discussion in 233 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: the scholarly literature about the relationship between miniskoy and halos. 234 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: Perhaps you can either find some and enlighten me, or 235 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: by pointing to this gap in art history, encourage some 236 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: of your listeners with the relevant skills to explore this connection. Scott, Well, Scott, 237 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: this is a great email. Yeah, and a really great idea. 238 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: We I did not come across this in my HALO 239 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: research and uh and this is really interesting. It ra 240 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: also raises a great question about, like, you know, the 241 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: interpretation of comedy and satire from the past and from 242 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: other cultures. You know, um, not that will necessarily be 243 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: the case in the future. I guess there's just so 244 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: much more material to go on. But but you know, 245 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: if we were to play that game of saying, what 246 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: if the future aliens or future civilizations were look back 247 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: and they only had this one bit of stand up 248 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: comedy to go on, or what if they had only 249 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: thirty minutes of Monty Python sketches to go on in 250 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: order to try and understand what what life and the 251 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: twentieth century was like? You know, how would they begin 252 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: to tease that apart? Because take take, for instance, say 253 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: the Ministry of Funny Walks. You know, that is an 254 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: outrageous example of it's an outrageous skit that is not 255 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: representing anything that literally exists existed in the world, but 256 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: it is a ridiculous satire of of some of the 257 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: things that we do engage in, you know, both in 258 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: terms of of you know, governmental offices and so forth, 259 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: and then also you know ridiculous uh, you know, marching 260 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: steps that are that are common in you know, various 261 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: armed forces displays and so forth. Well, so there's another 262 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: big issue with comedy. Uh, that's difficult to interpret across 263 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: time because you can lose perspective across time as to 264 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: what about it is supposed to be funny, even if 265 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: you know it's supposed to be funny. I'm thinking, for example, 266 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: of the Monty Python sketch about the dead parrot. Now, 267 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: that's funny to us just because it is an absurd situation, 268 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: and a lot of Monty Python skits are like that. 269 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: They're not satirizing any particular thing that happens in the 270 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: real world. It's just absurd. But you can imagine a 271 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: future historian looking at that skit and saying, like, was 272 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: this a problem in the twentieth century where there are 273 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: many pet shops in Britain that we're selling people, dead 274 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: pets and this is a this is a joke about 275 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: how common this is? Yeah, or you know, I think 276 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, um, you know, growing up 277 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: watching Mystery Science Theater three thousand. I don't know if 278 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I've had this. I think we've had this conversation where 279 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: there are jokes on MST three K that I've been 280 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: laughing about my entire life, and I still don't necessarily 281 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: know what they are about. In all cases, you know, 282 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: there might be a reference to some sort of television 283 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: show that the creators were familiar with because it was 284 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: on TV, you know, when they were growing up. And uh, 285 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: and so I don't specifically know the reference, but I 286 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: know that it is funny, and I interpreted it is funny. 287 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: This is something. Yeah, I can't remember what episode this 288 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: came up in, but are This is still one of 289 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: the most interesting things about humor to me, that something 290 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: can be funny even if you don't get the joke. 291 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: This was especially common I remember a lot when I 292 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: was a kid, but it still happens sometimes, Like they 293 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: say an actor in a movie looks like somebody, and 294 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: then it's funny when you hear it, Like it makes 295 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: you laugh, but you actually don't know who that other 296 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: person is. Just something about the delivery was funny. Yeah, 297 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: all right, let's move on to another one. This one 298 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: comes to us from Joe Another Joe Uh. They write, 299 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: thanks for the interesting podcast on Halo's. I love seeing 300 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: the evolution of Halo's and art and the way they 301 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: demonstrate the advancement in the understanding of light and how 302 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: to depict it. Your discussion of halos and movies focused 303 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: on more serious angel depictions, but I had a faint 304 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: since memory of Halo is in lighter fair. I started 305 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: by looking at the recent and magnificent good omens, but 306 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: these business like angels lack true halos, although as Zerra 307 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: Fail is occasionally shot to have an apparent halo for 308 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: comedic effects so like lighting effects, and often wears white 309 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: hats with a golden band. The angel Uriel also has 310 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: a gold motif on his face, but it's not really 311 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: a halo. And they're the and they're the only angel 312 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: so decorated. Oh yeah, and I so um. Joe attached 313 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: a few pictures for us to look at, and in 314 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: the case of this character as Zero Fail, I haven't 315 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: seen this show, so I don't know who these characters are, 316 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: but Yeah shows that this character is often backlit and 317 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: he has some like wispy white sideburns so that they 318 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: very much catch the glow of the lighting from behind. 319 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: This is the character played by Michael Sheen, the the 320 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: always excellent Michael Sheen. I think I watched the first 321 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: episode of this and it is quite good, but for 322 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: some reason I didn't keep going with it. It's too 323 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 1: much to watch. I mean, I generally love anything uh 324 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: Terry Pratchett, any anything that his his creativity was involved in. 325 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: Oh anyway that Joe continues here. Then I remembered the 326 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: charming I dated film Angels in the Outfield, which that 327 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: is good because my mind did not immediately go here. 328 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: Joe rights the film has pure archetype angels robes, sandals, wings, 329 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: and shimmering golden hoops about their heads. So there you 330 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: have it, Halos in cinema. Joe included a link here 331 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: for to a video. It's the scene in Angels in 332 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: the Outfield. I haven't seen this movie since I was 333 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: a kid, but I remember it very vividly. I think 334 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: as a kid, Joseph Gordon loved in it. Am I wrong? 335 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: About that. I think so. Yeah, there's a scene where 336 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: one of the characters like catches a flyball. The plot 337 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: of Angels in the Outfield is that there is a 338 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: professional baseball team that's extremely bad, and a kid makes 339 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: a wish to Heaven that they'll I guess that they 340 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: could win win, or that they win the World Series 341 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: or something like that, and then the angels down and 342 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: they're like, yep, we will answer your prayers, which seems 343 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: just utter abuse of supernatural powers. Oh wait, I don't 344 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: think I you know when they when I read the title, 345 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: I was confusing this with the what was it? Uh, 346 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: if you build it, they will come movie. Oh you're 347 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: thinking a Field of Dreams, Field of Dreams? Yeah, I 348 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: had I had the too confused. I was thinking this 349 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: must be the same film, but it's not. I thought 350 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: you were maybe saying you were you were confusing it 351 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: with air Bud. That'd be a good crossover. What if 352 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: it's air Bud is a dog is a dog, but 353 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: all dog go to heaven when they die. He comes 354 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: back as an angel, an angel dog and help. I mean, 355 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: these can all films can just be made into one, 356 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: and they're probably probably be better for it. I was 357 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: trying to think who plays the angels and angels in 358 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: the outfield? I was thinking, can I mentally cast this movie, 359 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: like I remember one is Christopher Lloyd? But beyond that, 360 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: could I round out the cast of extra angels from 361 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: my imagination alone without looking it up? I was thinking, 362 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: was John Lovett's in there? Was there John Lovett's Seraphim? 363 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: That seems right? Um, see, yeah, I'm looking at the 364 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: cast now, and um it's confusing because there's the team 365 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: is the angels as well, so it's hard to just 366 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: really spot angels really quickly. Was Tony Danza an angel? 367 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: He's the angel's picture, so I guess he's like a 368 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: real I don't know if he's an actual heavenly Yeah. 369 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: The only the only one that I'm noticing here that 370 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: is definitely an angels, as I guess, Christopher Lloyd. He 371 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: doesn't turn anyone into a pillar of salt in this 372 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: or anything. Christopher Lloyd as the Angel of death. Oh wait, wait, 373 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: there's more though that. There's more on this email from Joe. 374 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: They continue. I also appreciated the story of whom Babo 375 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: you shared in one episode. Your discussion of the Seven 376 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 1: r has reminded me of a modern story that may 377 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: have borrowed this archetype Marvels Thanos and his Infinity Stones 378 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: powers which, when possessed, render invulnerability an enemy of the 379 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: forces of good, until the hero seizes them by trickery 380 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: and they are once again scattered across the cosmos. Also 381 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: worth mentioning the freak see with which Ariola's are part 382 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: of the design of superheroes are modern mythic figures. Thanks, 383 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: as always for enlightening and engaging content, Joe, I have 384 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: not seen the movies that have Thanos in them, But Rob, 385 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: what do you know about Infinity Stones? Oh? Um, yeah, 386 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: I mean I've I've seen those two movies, and yeah, 387 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: Thanos Uh, Danos has a certain uh you know, ancient 388 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: Sumerian um aura to him. I would say, yeah, and 389 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: in a sense, yeah, I think I think there's a 390 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: strong comparison to be made there. It wouldn't He wouldn't 391 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: shock me if that was an intentional comparison, at least 392 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: on the part of the the original architects of this 393 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 1: character in the comic books. Oh interesting, So is there 394 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: a moment where like like like Iron Man and Black 395 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: Panther and they all have to go into the cedar 396 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: forest or is it just did well yet? Now that 397 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: you mentioned the showdown, the initial showdown with him, I 398 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: think does take place in a forest. Um, we're on 399 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: the edge of a forest, you know what. I think 400 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: it takes place in um Waconda right now, So if 401 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: I'm remembering it correctly, I've only seen it seen it 402 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: the one time. Uh but yeah, yeah, Bombaba Thanos. There 403 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: there may be something there. I'm sure this has been 404 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: excruciating for all the Marvel fans who have seen these 405 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: movies a bunch of times. In here just me talk 406 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: about how I don't know anything about them, but now 407 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: that there, it makes me want to look for more 408 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: angel symbolism in these films, because, yeah, you think of 409 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: a character like Vision on the the really interesting one 410 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: division show. Um, there, there are definitely angelic properties to him, 411 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, it makes sense. Okay, we got 412 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: another email about angels and halos. This one comes from Hannah. 413 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: She writes, Hi, Robert and Joe, just sending a quick 414 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: message responding to your call for halo representation in genre movies. 415 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly how genre one might consider a 416 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: surreal musical drama. But in All That Jazz nineteen seventy nine, 417 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: the Angel of Death played by Jessica Lange, where is 418 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: a hat with a wide, circular brim and a veil 419 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: that is clearly supposed to evoke a halo in certain 420 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: shots see below, and Rob, I've at touched a picture 421 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: for you to look at. I believe she does remove 422 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: it part way through, but it's been a while since 423 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: I've seen it. Really great film, but pretty hard to watch, 424 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: especially the parts with footage of real open heart surgery. Wow, 425 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: I've never seen this one, though I do love Jessica Lang. Uh. 426 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: Hannah goes on to say all the best and thanks 427 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: as always for your awesome show. Hannah. Yeah, yeah, I've 428 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: never seen All That Jazz either, but I've I mean, 429 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: I've long been familiar with it by reputation being you know, 430 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: Bob Fosse film and and uh having having old Roy 431 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: there at the at the lead. So uh yeah, it's 432 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll get around to seeing it 433 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: in this lifetime, but but I might. Certainly. I would 434 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: say that it is the mark of a potentially weird 435 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: film if it is not a fantasy and an angel 436 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: shows up, you know like that that alone is enough 437 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: to get me interested in it. Um, so, uh yeah, 438 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: I think I hope maybe I'll put it on the list. 439 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: All right, here's another one. This one comes to us 440 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: from I'm not sure who's from, but this is how 441 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: it starts. So this is from Robert. Oh okay, that's 442 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: what threw me off because I just glanced at and 443 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: I saw a couple of rods. So we had a 444 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: Joe email. I know we have a Robert email. These 445 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: are not from ourselves that we're not patting our own 446 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: listener mail episode. Um, this is from Robert. Hey, guys, 447 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: I thought you might find this interesting. It doesn't explain 448 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: halos in art, but it is about people glowing. There 449 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: is a phenomenon called angels glow noticed during a Tennessee 450 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: Civil War battle where some of the wounds begin to glow. 451 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: The glowing ones tended to do better than the others. 452 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: It was caused by a bioluminescent bacteria that produces an 453 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: antibiotic compound. There is a Sawbones episode if you want 454 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: to learn more without having to read regards Robert. I 455 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: love not having to read. Uh actually, so I looked 456 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: this up. I was entring. I never come across this 457 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: before the quick plug. I haven't listened to it in 458 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: a long time, but Sawbones is a great show. Um 459 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's like 460 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: a comedy medical show that's like half expert advice and 461 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: and half jokes and it's it's it's fun. Um. But anyway, 462 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: I looked up this phenomenon you're talking about, the idea 463 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: of angels glow, and I did find it referenced in 464 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: some papers. I'm not sure if this is if this 465 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: has been like really confirmed as the explanation for these reports, 466 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: but it does appear to be possible. It seems like 467 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: I think somehow around the Battle of Shiloh in the 468 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: Civil War, there were these reports about wounds glowing, and 469 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: so I found at least one paper published in Plos 470 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: one by Geraldine Mulley at all called from Insect to 471 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: Man photo or habbed Us sheds light on the emergence 472 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: of human pathogenicity and photoor habbed Us, I guess is 473 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: the name of the microbe in question here. But the 474 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: authors write that discoveries about this race quote the intriguing 475 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: possibility that phot habbed as skin lesions might actually glow 476 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: in the dark if bacterial number were sufficient, in a 477 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: similar manner to the angels glow phenomena experienced by wounded 478 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: soldiers at the Battle of Shiloh during the American Civil War. 479 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: So it looks like that that is a possibility. Do 480 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: you think that the blood of creatures like the predator, uh, 481 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: that it glows perhaps because there are phosphorescent bacteria in 482 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: the blood? Amazing? Yes, possibly, yes, I'm gonna say, yes, 483 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: that's a that's an indo symbion of the predator lives 484 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: in the blood stream helps them, I don't know, do 485 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: something metabolism and and that bacterium glows. Well, it would 486 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: pay to have an excellent metabolism if you're gonna be 487 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: dropping in on into other ecosystems and you know, without 488 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: really wearing much in the way of a suit and 489 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: then engaging in like brutal, bloody combat with other organisms, 490 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: getting their blood all over you and having wounds opening 491 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: to this environment would make sense. Wait, what was the 492 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: idea we just talked about in a recent Oh, it 493 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: was the one where the predators they're attracted to the 494 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: heat of what they think is a is a war 495 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: going on than it turns out as bitcoin mining, yeah, 496 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: or people just gaming really hard. All right, here's a 497 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 1: one last bit of listener Mailien comes to us from Jeffrey. Hello, gents, 498 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: I love the show and just thought I would add 499 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: a modern twist to the Santo episode of Weird House Cinema. 500 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: As I recall, there was a luchad or character, the 501 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: Silver Angel, in the FX series The Strain. The character 502 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: played a retired uh Luke Luca movie star who battled 503 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: vampires using brass knuckles made of silver and in the 504 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: form of crosses. In the show, the luch door is 505 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: working in an Indian restaurant until a real vampire outbreak 506 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: drives him to come out of retirement Vampire WrestleMania. Just 507 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: wanted to add a little trivia to a great episode. 508 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for all you do. Haven't you watched the show? Uh? 509 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: We watched a bunch of it and then we ended 510 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: up we kind of stopped around the time when this 511 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: character was first introduced, so I've been wanting to pick 512 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: it back up a again. I was enjoying it. I 513 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: don't know why we stopped watching it. Um, but yeah, 514 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: giving Giama de Toro weird Cool Vampires giant vampires. Um yeah, 515 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what my my issue was. Maybe it 516 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: was it might bet have been one of these things. 517 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: Where as with some of these modern shows, it can 518 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: be really interesting, but if you if you drag it 519 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: out for too many episodes, um, you know you you're 520 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: gonna end up having some episodes that are less uh enthralling. 521 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, but but I I enjoyed a lot 522 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: of what I saw in it, and every now and 523 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: then I'm reminded that it's all out there. And then 524 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: they finished the series and I should pick it up 525 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: because I think also the final season or so gets 526 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: like really post apocalyptic, and I've been curious to check 527 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: that out but just haven't gotten around to it. I mean, 528 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: I could really appreciate some some newer supernatural wrestling movies, 529 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: but I think there are a few caveats there. First 530 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: of all, I'd be afraid that if somebody made movies 531 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: like Santo and the Treasure of Dracula today, they would 532 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: be too juicy, they would be too tongue in cheek, 533 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: too much winking and and not played straight enough to 534 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: be as good as that movie is. And then second, 535 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: I think, is there a star with comparable charisma to 536 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: Santo today. I don't know, um, not that. I mean, yeah, 537 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: you could have the Rock battle Vampires, but it would 538 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,239 Speaker 1: be the Rock battling vampires, and you can you can 539 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: kind of imagine how that would go. It would um, 540 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess some people would love it, but um, 541 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: it's not what I'm looking for. I don't think they 542 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: would do it straight forward enough to be as funny 543 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: as it needs to be. They would try to make 544 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: it funny and thus make it less funny. Yeah, so 545 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's um, it would be difficult, but 546 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: it's possible. All things are possible. All right, Well, we're 547 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and uh close the uh the mailbox here, 548 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: but we'll be back next Monday with more listener mail. 549 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: You know. We'll catch up on some of the listener 550 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: mail we weren't able to get to in this one 551 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: and address new listener mail. So hey, right in, respond 552 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 1: to what we talked about here in this episode. Respond 553 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: to recent episodes of Stuff to Blow Your Mind and 554 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: Weird Cinema, the artifact, Everything's on the table. Give us 555 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: your take on all of these topics, and we can 556 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: recommend topics for the future. Uh, and when you do 557 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: right in, just make sure you include your you know 558 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: how you want to be referred to on the podcast. 559 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: So if you're if you think you need to give 560 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: us some help with the pronunciation of your name, uh, 561 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: let us know that. Let us know what your pronouns 562 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: are as well. And uh, yeah, we look forward to 563 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: hearing from you. Oh yeah, it has come up several times. 564 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: I should just say we're you have written in and 565 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: given us two different names on on the email, one 566 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: at the top and or it says like in one 567 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: in the from field and one in the sign off line. 568 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: I think we usually try to go by the sign 569 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: off line, but to to reduce confusion, please if you 570 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: have a preferred way to refer to you, whether that's name, 571 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: pronunciation or pronounce all that is helpful. 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