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Speaker 3: of your day. Thanks so much. I've done gottlieb in

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Speaker 3: for Colin Cowherd and for the next couple of hours,

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Speaker 3: the I was today years old that I learned, right,

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Speaker 3: You learn lots of things. It's weird as you get older.

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Speaker 3: Right now, I coach college kids' head coach of Wisconsin

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Speaker 3: life a little bit. And you know, college is just

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Speaker 3: GPT and everything else. How much are kids actually learning?

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Speaker 3: But the biggest difference between a kid in an adult

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Speaker 3: adult life that'll be like, yeh, down for that. A kid,

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Speaker 3: make them eat eat fruits. Right, that's the difference in adults.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing about adults as opposed to kids

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Speaker 3: and you're like, man, I kind of like learning. Maybe

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Speaker 3: I love learning things. I just do. Sunday I learned

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Speaker 5: I don't know what you think about the hayten fit,

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Speaker 5: but it's it's at least more theoretical capabilities at the

427
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Speaker 5: center spot.

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Speaker 3: Here here's what I think of the eight and fit. Okay,

429
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Speaker 3: this would be the just kind of the basketball element

430
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Speaker 3: to it. I don't know personality wise what works and

431
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 3: what doesn't work. I don't profess to know the reason

432
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 3: that Lakers can't win is because if those are your

433
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: three best players, they're all minuses at the defensive end. Right.

434
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: Lebron at this age doesn't move anymore. Reeves has never

435
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Speaker 3: been a particularly a defender, though he does fight, and

436
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Speaker 3: Luca is a non defender. And maybe he gets in

437
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Speaker 3: shape and fights a little bit more, you know, and

438
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Speaker 3: in the NBA you can maybe one guy, but outside

439
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: of that can't hide two. And then you know he

440
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: wanted rim protection like Deandreten is not a rim protector.

441
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: He's also not a lob threat, right, He's a roller

442
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: to score, to catch and finish, you know. So does

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Speaker 3: it fit with Luca because he's a pick and roll option,

444
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Speaker 3: I guess. But a guy who's never played well in

445
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: the playoffs isn't a rim protector, and once the ball

446
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: on rolls is an offensive minded score Like Again, I

447
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 3: understand that you're asking something of Polinka, Like it's not

448
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: like he had a blank slake and could pick anybody.

449
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Speaker 3: I just don't know how all that group works together

450
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Speaker 3: to be anything special in the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean lucas you know, has worked best in

452
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Speaker 5: the past with like the Derek livelys of the world

453
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Speaker 5: of Daniel Gaffers, and I would agree. I mean, Aighton's

454
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Speaker 5: free throw rate is like ridiculously low for a guy

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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 2: At his size.

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Speaker 5: I will say, like he was a starting center and

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Speaker 5: a productive center on a finals team like not that

459
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Speaker 5: long ago. Yeah, I mean, obviously that was kind of

460
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Speaker 5: Chris Paul operating in the pick and roll where he

461
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily as much need the lab threat. But you know,

462
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Speaker 5: he liked it. And I bet if you know, you

463
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Speaker 5: go look at the numbers like ate and finish a

464
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Speaker 5: lot more lobs than the Phoenix than he did in Portland. Now,

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Speaker 5: you know, to your point, I think you generally throw

466
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Speaker 5: it to him and he wants to, like, you know,

467
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Speaker 5: get the eight footer and do the touch stuff. And

468
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Speaker 5: he's not super physical. But as you mentioned, they didn't

469
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Speaker 5: have you know, they thirty nine year old Al Horford

470
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Speaker 5: wouldn't have been a lob threat, you know, some of

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Speaker 5: the other options out there on the free agent market.

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Speaker 5: So I think part of what's going on right now

473
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Speaker 5: is the Lakers are taking a somewhat patient approach. They're

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Speaker 5: not you know, using all their assets for a Mark Williams.

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Speaker 5: It seems like they've pulled back from that a little bit.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I think, you know, going back to

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Speaker 5: your original question, I think that's what you're feeling with

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Speaker 5: the Lebron statement, that he's feeling a level of organizational

479
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Speaker 5: philosophical shift to a patient, longer term Luka Doncic related approach,

480
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Speaker 5: because Luca's twenty six and he's sitting there going like,

481
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Speaker 5: I don't really have a long term approach. He's using

482
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Speaker 5: whatever tool he believes he has to maybe try to,

483
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Speaker 5: you know, leverage a little pressure of like, hey, you know,

484
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Speaker 5: let's try to win next season, because next season might

485
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Speaker 5: be the final season for him to win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I agree with you. I don't think

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Speaker 3: next he'll it's not gonna be his final season unless

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Speaker 3: he gets a farewell tour.

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Speaker 5: Maybe in LA.

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Speaker 3: Again, I agree with you, maybe in La, but I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna do the final season thing

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Speaker 3: without a farewell tour. I just I just.

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Speaker 5: Don't announce preseason Kobe style. Yeah, celebrated in every arena yes,

494
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Speaker 5: you're right, You're probably right.

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Speaker 3: And and look, I understand to people who don't like Lebron,

496
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Speaker 3: they be like, dude, yay, and he's a little bit much,

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Speaker 3: but he's also the all time leading scorer in NBA history,

498
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Speaker 3: who's won four titles and four MVPs and is in

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Speaker 3: any discussion of.

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Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore, right, Right, So it's.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I mean, if there's ever a guy who

502
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Speaker 3: kind of deserves it, like yeah, that's that's not that all.

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Speaker 5: Step one of the people that might kind of scoff

504
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Speaker 5: a little bit of Lebron would love Kobe, right, And

505
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Speaker 5: you remember it, like what was that a twenty win

506
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 5: Laker team that he was just going around to every arena.

507
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Speaker 5: They would do a pregame celebration. They would present him

508
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Speaker 5: with presents and do tribute videos for him, and then

509
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Speaker 5: the home team would beat the Lakers by twenty five points.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, and and and Kobe and and and

511
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Speaker 3: the other part was like, look, I know Kobe God rest,

512
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Speaker 3: his soul is is now he's been thrust up to

513
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Speaker 3: the Mount Rushmore. But there's a lot of things in

514
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Speaker 3: his career he wasn't beloved for. There was there was

515
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Speaker 3: a lot of nonsense early in his career, and by

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Speaker 3: the end, you know, Kobe was a different guy, and

517
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Speaker 3: he evolved into somebody who was worthy of all of that,

518
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Speaker 3: all of all of the praise, not just for the play,

519
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Speaker 3: but also he become kind of this philosopher and been

520
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Speaker 3: really thoughtful and showing his true love for the sport.

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Speaker 3: But like, let's not let's not kid ourselves, Like there

522
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Speaker 3: was a lot there with Kobe with I want to

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Speaker 3: be traded, the break up with Shaq and all that

524
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Speaker 3: other stuff. So it was like he's he knows sat right.

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Speaker 3: So it's just interesting on how we look back with

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Speaker 3: colored glasses because of Kobe's passing, but also because Lebron

527
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Speaker 3: is so different from Kobe and playing essentially for Kobe's franchise.

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Speaker 3: Really if that's probably what's hurting him the most has

529
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Speaker 3: been the franchise hopping. Speaking of franchise hopping, what about Giannis?

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Speaker 3: Does he want to stay in Milwaukee or does he

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Speaker 3: want to play somewhere else?

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Speaker 5: Seems like at this temporary moment he has been, you know,

533
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Speaker 5: a message to the Bucks and certainly to the league

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Speaker 5: that his feet are where they are Milwaukee. I'm not

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Speaker 5: sure there's any type of guarantee how long that's gonna be.

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Speaker 5: But if you're the Bucks and you make the type

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Speaker 5: of very win now move and mortgage the future type

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00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 5: move that was the Damian Lillard wave and stretch to

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Speaker 5: fit Miles Turner in like that, you're doing that under

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Speaker 5: the understanding it would seem that Giannis is at least

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Speaker 5: in on the start of next season and you're trying

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Speaker 5: to maximize next season because if suddenly, you know, Jannis

543
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Speaker 5: in August September ask out prior to this season, like

544
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Speaker 5: what a disaster move that you know, Lillard thing would

545
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Speaker 5: look like because you got twenty two million on the

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Speaker 5: books for the next five years dead caps, So you know,

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Speaker 5: for now it seems be honest, will be in Milwaukee,

548
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 5: you know, But that does seem like it's a you know,

549
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Speaker 5: temporary thing that that could become more permanent depending on

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Speaker 5: how they look and how they play and how their

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Speaker 5: future looks.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow night in Vegas, Cooper Flag and the Dallas Mavericks

553
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Speaker 3: take on Brownie James. Brownie struggled last night. But very

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Speaker 3: few people pay attention to the Cali games. You've been

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Speaker 3: around this thing for a while, right, you have the

556
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Speaker 3: Zion hype, the Wembley hype. Right, there's there's Wemby was

557
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: was pretty big. Where does this one rank in terms

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Speaker 3: of the Vegas Thomas and Mack Summer League for Opening

559
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Speaker 3: night hype?

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Speaker 5: Well, I heard it's like the most expensive ticket ever.

561
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Speaker 5: There was a twenty five hundred court side or something

562
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Speaker 5: like that. It's it's not even just like obviously you know,

563
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 5: Flag is a big name and Broni is, but just

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Speaker 5: the event itself has just exploded there. You know, you'll

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Speaker 5: go to you know, Day three, you know, Pelicans Knicks

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Speaker 5: with maybe one lottery pick on the floor and it's

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Speaker 5: like pretty pretty packed. So it's just I think it's

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Speaker 5: just become such an impressive event for the league in general.

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Speaker 5: And typically you do on that that first second night

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Speaker 5: get you know, the first overall pick, oftentimes going against

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Speaker 5: the second overall pick. I think just because of the

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Speaker 5: the Lakers territory, which is you know, Vegas in a

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Speaker 5: sense in Bronnie's name, they matched up Cooper, Flag and Bronni,

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Speaker 5: so it'll be it'll be cool. But at the same time,

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Speaker 5: like I remember Wemby walking into the arena and the

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Speaker 5: buzz of it. I remember the Zion game for the

577
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Speaker 5: earthquake and in Vegas and then the that was the

578
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Speaker 5: night Paul George and Kawhi Leonard like that bomb got

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Speaker 5: dropped on the league and that they were going to

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Speaker 5: the Clippers together. But I actually don't really remember much

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Speaker 5: from Zion's game or Wemby's actual game.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Andrew enjoyed the game. Let's talk again soon. Can't read,

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Speaker 3: can't wait to read your work on Summer League and

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Speaker 3: all all this other stuff going on. Andrews later pick

585
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: up his stuff, read his stuff in the Athletic. He's outstanding.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us in the Herd. Anthony said, I'm sorry, Anthony,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm here. I'm one armed paper hanging it. Thanks

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Speaker 3: so much, Anthony, yep.

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Speaker 5: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: It's Doug Gottliebin for Colin. It's the Herd on Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio. Okay, coming up, coming up next, we'll get

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Speaker 3: to Herd line news. Wait to hear what happened to

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers last night. That's next. This is the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 3: Doug Gottlieb it for Colin. It's the Herd Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 3: iHeart Radio app. Welcome in. Uh her Cousins is selling something?

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Speaker 3: Tell you what I'm not buying. That's at the top

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Speaker 3: of the hour. Before we get to that, though, let's

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Speaker 3: get to Ryan Music with the news.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is the Heard Line News.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Ryan, Hello Doug.

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Speaker 6: Let's get things started with a little Major League Baseball man.

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Speaker 6: Dodgers are going through it right now. Down Bad lost

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Speaker 6: their fifth game in a row, falling to the Brewers

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00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 6: three to one. Injuries mounting for the boys in Blue

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Speaker 6: on both sides, and they've been outscored forty one to

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Speaker 6: eight during this current losing streak. On the other side, however,

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Speaker 6: for the Brewers, their young star pitcher Jacob Mizerowski gave

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Speaker 6: up a leadoff homer to sho Heo Tawny, but was

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Speaker 6: lights out after that, racking up twelve strikeouts and six innings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ninety one pitches, sixty eight strikes. And if you

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Speaker 3: know anything about Missowski's what's impressive is it's the we'll

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Speaker 3: talk about old quotes. It's not how many ten Nace Nelson, Mandela.

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Speaker 3: Don't judge me by how many times they get knocked down,

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Speaker 3: About how many times they get up, he hadn't given

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Speaker 3: up a run, and then they should have gotten out

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Speaker 3: of an inning with the Mets. In his last outing,

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Speaker 3: gives up a grand Slam, then a back to back

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Speaker 3: chack five runs and then starts this game and you're

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Speaker 3: with the Dodgers. He gets to count, hangs a curveball

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Speaker 3: and showhy deposits it like four hundred and thirty feet.

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Speaker 3: So you know, like, look, lots of young guys, they

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Speaker 3: just they they lose their confidence, lose their mind. He

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00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: did not, and he was special. As for the Dodgers,

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Speaker 3: I do think that, look, the injuries are mounting, they're starting,

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00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: they're gonna get healthy and their pitching staff and this

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00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: is you know, this is playoffs versus regular season, right

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Speaker 3: because the regular season got plenty of time to right

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Speaker 3: the ship. And it's one hundred and sixty two games.

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Speaker 3: But make no mistake about it, like right now the

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Speaker 3: Dodgers are not playing good ball after getting swept by

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Speaker 3: the by the Astros. Uh now they're in danger of

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Speaker 3: our day game getting swept by the Brewers. You know,

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00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: but again, like it's all your your snap shot. I know,

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00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: White Sox, stink, Royals and Rockies aren't great, but they

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00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 3: were like nine to one the last ten heading into

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Speaker 3: and they were it won like thirteen out of sixteen

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Speaker 3: before they hit the skids with the Astros. Granted, these

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Speaker 3: are two playoff teams, and two teams are gonna have

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Speaker 3: to go through to win a World Series, but I

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Speaker 3: think it's more that's baseball. Ultimately, they'll be find.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look to your point when you try

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Speaker 6: to take these things into a bigger picture, larger context

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Speaker 6: of the entire baseball season. They're on a five game

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Speaker 6: losing streak and they remain five games up in the division,

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Speaker 6: so everything's gonna be okay.

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Speaker 3: And la la Joeywatani has more home runs before the

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Speaker 3: break than any Dodger hitter. Ever.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, ever crazy as you and I painfully know the

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Speaker 6: greatness of Otani for our beloved Angels and to see

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Speaker 6: him go up the road, were not surprised at the

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Speaker 6: level of success that he's had. But you know it hurts.

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Speaker 6: It hurts, Yes, all right, let's turn our attention to

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Speaker 6: the National Football League. Is the price for Micah Parsons

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Speaker 6: going up for the Cowboys? Well, you'd be the judge.

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Speaker 6: As ESPN has released its rankings for top edge rushers

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Speaker 6: in the league, according to league executives, coaches, and scouts.

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Speaker 6: Here's how the top five rankings came in. Number one

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Speaker 6: Miles Garrett, number two TJ. Watt, number three, Micah Parsons,

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Speaker 6: number four Max Crosby, and fifth was Nick Bosa. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: Micah Parsons awaiting his massive contract extension that he expects

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Speaker 6: to receive from the Dallas Cowboys, but no news just

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Speaker 6: yet on that front. Just that league execs, coaches, and

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Speaker 6: scouts see Micah as the third best edge rusher in

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Speaker 6: the league.

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Speaker 3: And look, I understand that that everybody operates under this line. Well,

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Speaker 3: Jerry's gonna sign him too late or whatever, like believe

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Speaker 3: it or not, Jerry Jones. Actually they're fine because the

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Speaker 3: layman sits there and goes like, hey, this is year five,

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Speaker 3: five year deal. He's a free agent. No he's not.

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Speaker 3: You franchise tag him. He'll say, I don't want to

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Speaker 3: be franchise tagger. I'm not gonna play, and then ultimately

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Speaker 3: you work out a deal or he plays under the

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Speaker 3: franchise tag. So I think MARKT. Parsons is terrific. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: last year's defense when you moved to Zimmer wasn't nearly

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Speaker 3: as good. I do think that he's one of those

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Speaker 3: guys that, like, I don't know if the podcast is

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Speaker 3: a great idea because sometimes in voice's opinions about things

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Speaker 3: that it doesn't need out there. Again here here I

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Speaker 3: am a head college coach having my own radio show,

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Speaker 3: a podcasts as well. I'm not trying to be hypocritical,

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Speaker 3: but I.

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Speaker 2: Call attention.

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Speaker 3: Do you at least have awareness to know like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're not going there today, we're not talking about that.

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Speaker 3: That's that's not we're not not doing that, but this

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Speaker 3: is it's not you know, let's he's gonna be a cowboy. Sure,

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Speaker 3: there's gonna be a cowboy. Okay. So what we need

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Speaker 3: to do to be smarter sports fans is don't act

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Speaker 3: like he's gonna go somewhere else because he wants to.

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Speaker 3: Right Because the way NFL contract work, they can franchise

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Speaker 3: him next year, franchise you're after that, they can franchise

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Speaker 3: you after that in the other franchise tag and play

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Speaker 3: m a gargantu and some money. So he's not a

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Speaker 3: free agent now it'll hurt them against the cab he's

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Speaker 3: gonna be a Cowboy. It's a matter of when, not if,

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Speaker 3: and I don't. I think we waste a lot of

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Speaker 3: mental energy thinking otherwise totally.

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Speaker 6: I think when you zoom out though and look at

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Speaker 6: the Cowboys, the biggest issue that, whether it's Cowboy fans

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Speaker 6: or just outsiders who look at the organization as a whole,

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Speaker 6: is that you just paid Dak Prescott another record some

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Speaker 6: amount of money you paid CD Lamb, which again I think,

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Speaker 6: out of all of these players, CD may be the

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Speaker 6: highest end player or the most impactful overall. So I

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Speaker 6: don't necessarily think there's an issue with paying Micah because

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Speaker 6: he is also a very good player. But each of

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Speaker 6: these guys are going to be paid quote unquote top

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Speaker 6: of market, and you have no real postseason success to

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Speaker 6: show for it. So it's not that paying these guys

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Speaker 6: is bad in practice, it's just that you keep doubling

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Speaker 6: and tripling down on paying top of market money for

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Speaker 6: a collection core of players that hasn't actually produced a

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Speaker 6: lot in January or February, as opposed to perhaps trying

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Speaker 6: to take a more creative approach and trading one of

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Speaker 6: these guys early to see if you can get two

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Speaker 6: very good players in place of one great player that's

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Speaker 6: now going to take up a large portion of your

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Speaker 6: salary cap.

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Speaker 3: Well, this it does look last year the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: If you have the football database and the overall defensive ratings, okay,

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Speaker 3: they had the fifth worst defense in the NFL. That's

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Speaker 3: just one ratings in terms of yards per game, you know,

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Speaker 3: points the game. There's some other stuff as well, okay,

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Speaker 3: and there's some advanced analytics. They were not very good

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Speaker 3: defensively last year. So there is a Remember when Mac

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Speaker 3: was traded from Chicago to the Raiders, right, it was

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Speaker 3: two first round draft picks. Forget that, but from the

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Speaker 3: Raiders to the Bears, my bad. Okay, And the point

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Speaker 3: is that could he be traded? Sure? Will he? I

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Speaker 3: don't think so? All right? Coming up next in the Herd,

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Speaker 3: that's Ry Music with the news Kirk Cousins is buying.

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Speaker 3: I'm not selling. I'm not buying. That's text