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Speaker 2: Stub openings with the Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders, and the Saints,
Speaker 2: and you start to wonder, what are these teams waiting for?
Speaker 3: Who are they waiting for?
Speaker 2: If you're waiting for somebody who's still in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: then I can understand that. But Cliff Kingsbury, he says
Speaker 2: that he's come being the offensive coordinator for the Commanders
Speaker 2: until you get a head coaching offer, and then maybe
Speaker 2: you're not as comfortable there. It's nice to have Jayden
Speaker 2: Daniels there, but Cliff Kingsbury would probably like another shot.
Speaker 2: I think he's only forty five, but like another shot
Speaker 2: at being a head coach. It didn't go well the
Speaker 2: first time around with Arizona, but he has since been
Speaker 2: kind of a reclamation project here. You know, the same
Speaker 2: with Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore got kicked to the curb
Speaker 2: by the Cowboys, went to the Chargers, and now he's
Speaker 2: with the Eagles, and I guess he might be the
Speaker 2: leading candidate for the Cowboys right now.
Speaker 3: But how old is Cliff Kingsbury thirty six?
Speaker 4: No, Kellen Moore thirty six Easter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cliff Kingsbury I think is in his forties there.
Speaker 2: But you have openings here Cowboys, Jags, Jets, Raiders, Saints.
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn reportedly will get an offer from the Jets.
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy maybe he has his choice here. Maybe that
Speaker 2: that's a hold up the Jags and the Saints. The Raiders' situation.
Speaker 2: The Raiders, by all accounts, wanted Ben Johnson, thought they
Speaker 2: were going to get Ben Johnson. Tom Brady spent an
Speaker 2: hour talking to Ben Johnson last week, and you know
Speaker 2: when they fired Antonio Peers, I wasn't surprised. I said,
Speaker 2: all along, Tom Brady's going to come in. He's going
Speaker 2: to be running the show. They fired him, and then
Speaker 2: they waited a couple days and they fired their GM,
Speaker 2: Tom Telesco, and te LESCo was only there for a year,
Speaker 2: and I thought, okay, you fired your coach. But then
Speaker 2: when you fire your GM, it feels like the coach
Speaker 2: you want to bring in wants to bring in his
Speaker 2: own GM, or at least have a collaborative effort here
Speaker 2: of let's decide this together of who is going to
Speaker 2: be the general manager. Did Tom Brady think that Ben
Speaker 2: Johnson was going to come to the Raiders but he
Speaker 2: wanted to pick his own GM or at least help
Speaker 2: with that selection process. And if you're going to have
Speaker 2: somebody who's lined up just the way Kyle Shanahan and
Speaker 2: John Lynchar with San Francisco, with your coach and your GM,
Speaker 2: that makes a lot of sense. Well Bears got him,
Speaker 2: and I think that's the big surprise. I think Tom
Speaker 2: Brady thought, hey, I'm gonna spend time with him, and
Speaker 2: if he wants to bring in his own GM, then
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Tom te LESCo go after one year.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they would have made these decisions
Speaker 2: if they didn't think they were if they thought they
Speaker 2: weren't going to get Ben Johnson, would they have kept
Speaker 2: Antonio Pierce and Tom Telesco at least another year. Maybe
Speaker 2: they got a bigger picture here, Maybe there's somebody else
Speaker 2: that they're waiting for. But it felt like they thought
Speaker 2: they were getting Ben Johnson, and Ben Johnson said no
Speaker 2: to Tom Brady. He'll be introduced as the Bears head
Speaker 2: coach today. Everything's great right now, everything's great. They got
Speaker 2: their coach, offensive minded guy. You took him away from
Speaker 2: the Lions. Caleb Williams. Yes, he's gonna be Jaden Daniels,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be CJ's he's going to be somebody.
Speaker 3: You're ready to go.
Speaker 2: Oh, if only the season started tomorrow, we'd be ready
Speaker 2: to go. Paulie's Bears.
Speaker 3: They've done it all.
Speaker 2: They've won the off season. Again, congratulation. Nobody wins the
Speaker 2: off season like the Bears do. They won the off season.
Speaker 2: There's no trophies that they hand out for winning the
Speaker 2: off season. But if they did, the Bears trophy case
Speaker 2: would be packed.
Speaker 5: Are we handing that trophy out today? We can If
Speaker 5: you want off season award winner for a week, you know.
Speaker 2: What, let me wait a week or so, let me
Speaker 2: see what the Cowboys do. If the Cowboys get d On,
Speaker 2: then they're probably going to win the off season I'm
Speaker 2: still amazed though that. You know, Jerry Jones falls in love,
Speaker 2: and he fell in love with Jason Garrett. Jason Witten.
Speaker 2: I think he's in love with Dion and he's going
Speaker 2: to have to bring somebody in to be able to
Speaker 2: coach his team. Jason Witten is not ready to do this.
Speaker 2: I think he's been a high school coach and of
Speaker 2: course he he's a great player. Uh do you bring
Speaker 2: back Kellen Moore who you had? Do you have any
Speaker 2: chance at getting Dion? That seems to have simmered down
Speaker 2: a little bit doesn't mean it won't happen, because with Jerry,
Speaker 2: he might say, oh damn it, all right, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: bring in Dion, and then you bring in Deon Sanders,
Speaker 2: then everybody's gonna go, wow, that's genius move. But in
Speaker 2: the meantime, like, unless it's Dion, I think we're gonna
Speaker 2: go hmm, okay, right now, we did that with dan
Speaker 2: Quinn with Washington, but Washington doesn't have the worldwide appeal
Speaker 2: of the Cowboys. When the Cowboys make a decision and
Speaker 2: everybody takes note, Washington was like.
Speaker 3: Oh who they okay.
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn, Oh good luck? Team won four games. Now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we're looking at dan Quinn like
Speaker 2: he's Lombardi like. Man, the Cowboys they missed on him. Okay,
Speaker 2: probably a few other teams decided that they didn't want
Speaker 2: dan Quinn to come in and be their head coach.
Speaker 2: But he's done a wonderful job there. Now, you know,
Speaker 2: we always look at what's the result, the end result, We.
Speaker 3: Go, how could you pass on him? He was right there?
Speaker 2: Well they did, and other teams did as well. That
Speaker 2: dan Quinn probably thrilled that he's in Washington and that
Speaker 2: they're in the NFC title game. This line started out
Speaker 2: at four and a half. Now it's up to six,
Speaker 2: which is that's a pretty big jump for me when
Speaker 2: I'm looking at all, right, four and a half maybe five,
Speaker 2: now up to six.
Speaker 3: The Eagles are favored, and.
Speaker 2: I think with Buffalo that stayed about the same that
Speaker 2: the Bills are one and a half point underdogs there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Pauli, A two point jump in a line midweek
Speaker 4: is surprising, uncommon. Does somebody know something about Jalen Hurt's
Speaker 4: health status?
Speaker 2: Well, no, because that would be assuming that he's healthy,
Speaker 2: because if he was hurt, it wouldn't be it wouldn't
Speaker 2: jump like that, right, So four and a half to
Speaker 2: six means Jalen Hurts is probably going to play. But
Speaker 2: I don't know health wise, and they don't have to
Speaker 2: reveal that, but I'm guessing that Jalen Hurts will play.
Speaker 2: Their offense isn't great. It's weird. They get these splash plays. No,
Speaker 2: sa Kwon Barkley. You know, they kind of bottled him up.
Speaker 2: He did have three unbelievable runs Jalen Hurts. They kind
Speaker 2: of bottled him up and they had one big play
Speaker 2: and granted that's all you need sometimes, but I think
Speaker 2: when we look at offense, they didn't dominate the Rams,
Speaker 2: and I think the impression is that they did, but
Speaker 2: they held on for dear life. And as I said yesterday,
Speaker 2: I thought the Rams were going to win that game.
Speaker 2: I thought that they in that final you know, final drive,
Speaker 2: they were going to win and kick the extra point.
Speaker 2: They were going to beat Philadelphia and they would be
Speaker 2: hosting the Commanders this weekend. That's why when you look
Speaker 2: at nan, I do think the Eagles are still the
Speaker 2: best team in football, but I haven't seen them kind
Speaker 2: of put everything together. They have these players who make
Speaker 2: the Jalen Carter makes a big player two, Saquan a
Speaker 2: big player too. Jalen Hurts one or two big plays,
Speaker 2: and maybe that's all you need to win a super Bowl.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like what the the Chiefs are doing.
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes doesn't do anything that is consistently magical, but
Speaker 2: he always has one or two of those plays. Jason
Speaker 2: Kelcey one or two of those plays. Chris Jones one
Speaker 2: or two of those plays. Maybe that's the recipe. And
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this with Patrick Mahomes. You want
Speaker 2: to talk about a selfless superstar, because with Mahomes, it
Speaker 2: was all about he was going to throw the ball
Speaker 2: they were going to get. You know, he's throwing forty
Speaker 2: touchdown passes. That's high powered exclusive offense. You don't hear
Speaker 2: him talking about you know, it'd be nice if we
Speaker 2: got some receivers here for me or you know, you're
Speaker 2: you're getting possession, guys, I want to throw some touchdowns here.
Speaker 2: His numbers are down. He's selfless, and that's remarkable that
Speaker 2: you get to that point, that point in your career.
Speaker 2: And it's not about his numbers, because his numbers aren't great,
Speaker 2: but it's about we won.
Speaker 3: How did we win?
Speaker 2: And they are on a tight rope every single week,
Speaker 2: it feels like, but it's about you know, Kelsey is
Speaker 2: not nudging his coach on the sideline about getting me touches.
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes is selfless and Brady was selfless too, and
Speaker 2: I think you have to be because if you're all about, hey,
Speaker 2: what about my numbers? And these guys have gotten to
Speaker 2: a point where it's about winning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what if behind the scenes, Patrick Mahomes is like,
Speaker 5: none of the receivers matter because I'm important. Well, you
Speaker 5: guys don't matter. I'm the one that makes this happen.
Speaker 5: So you could put out herd of cattle out there
Speaker 5: and I'm going to complete passes.
Speaker 3: But he's actually that much of a diva. But oh
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm the only one here that matters.
Speaker 5: The rest of you are irrelevant.
Speaker 3: But he's not putting up great numbers.
Speaker 2: So yes, he might say, hey, I don't care who
Speaker 2: you put look at Brady interchangeable parts, and Brady probably said,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who you're putting out there, I'll make
Speaker 2: this work. But I think I think Mahomes and Brady
Speaker 2: are and we're selfless, and I think that that helped
Speaker 2: them because how many times did you see Bill Belichick go,
Speaker 2: We're just going to run the football and this is
Speaker 2: Brady going all right, hey, we're gonna run for two
Speaker 2: hundred yards against the Colts.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: And I think the same thing with Mahomes. I think
Speaker 2: you got to get to a point where you go,
Speaker 2: I want to win. That's all that's That's all that
Speaker 2: matters here, is that I win.
Speaker 6: Yes, Tom, if you know you're gonna or you feel
Speaker 6: very comfortable, are you going to trade stats for rings?
Speaker 6: It's very easy to do that when you're on a
Speaker 6: great team and your collected rings. That could change if
Speaker 6: all of a sudden you're a team that's not getting
Speaker 6: to the Super Bowl winning rings as far as hey
Speaker 6: wait a second, I don't have the right tools around
Speaker 6: me to get the.
Speaker 3: Well justin Herbert lower stats.
Speaker 2: This year, they made the playoffs, but I think you
Speaker 2: have to get to that point where, hey, these numbers
Speaker 2: are great. They're regular season numbers, the numbers that matter
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Speaker 2: dot NEM See what's poll question today?
Speaker 5: Well, we haven't really hit on this much yet, but
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame voting should be public or private.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this coming up in a
Speaker 2: little bit here. I've said that when I voted, I
Speaker 2: wanted it to be public. I was proud to vote.
Speaker 2: And if you're going to take on that honor, and
Speaker 2: it is an honor, then you should explain why you
Speaker 2: voted for or didn't vote for somebody. It's just you're
Speaker 2: doing your homework, or maybe you're not doing your homework.
Speaker 3: But I have.
Speaker 2: I have no problem. And they fought for this. This
Speaker 2: was a couple of years ago, I think twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: the Baseball Writers supported a measure to make every Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame ballot public, but the Board of Directors shut
Speaker 2: that down. I like it when I hear a columnists say,
Speaker 2: or a writer or broadcasters say, this is why I
Speaker 2: voted for this guy, or I didn't vote for this guy.
Speaker 2: I mean not everybody's a Hall of Famer. You might
Speaker 2: not think Billy Wagner is a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I did CC Sabathia. You know he's a dinosaur. Guys
Speaker 2: are gonna log those innings and have three thousand strikeouts
Speaker 2: and over two hundred and fifty wins. It's just not
Speaker 2: going to happen anymore. Each yuro no brainer. But then
Speaker 2: apparently was it a brainer because somebody decided not to
Speaker 2: vote for each euro?
Speaker 3: Yes, ton is coming forward?
Speaker 6: Make you a stand up guy or a woman, depending
Speaker 6: on who we're talking about, or is it a look
Speaker 6: at me, look at me thing.
Speaker 7: People could take that one of two ways.
Speaker 3: What do you think it is?
Speaker 6: I think it might be more looking for attention, just
Speaker 6: like when a columnist has some kind of crazy take
Speaker 6: that's never going to happen or not true.
Speaker 7: Just to stand out.
Speaker 6: With everyone's saying how much they love one thing, you
Speaker 6: got to be the one that hates on the coach
Speaker 6: hire or whatever for attention. So I think for me,
Speaker 6: it might be more attention than you know, I want to.
Speaker 6: I feel the need to explain myself to everyone that
Speaker 6: my dip set.
Speaker 3: Well, if you want attention, then why why isn't surprised?
Speaker 2: Okay, So if he wants attention or she wants attention,
Speaker 2: then they should come come forward, tell us why you
Speaker 2: didn't vote for each of You know, you get caught
Speaker 2: up in the baseball piers. Now the voting doesn't come
Speaker 2: out for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many votes somebody gets or how many votes
Speaker 2: somebody doesn't get. We you know, so we can single
Speaker 2: out baseball. But baseball is about percentages. We get to
Speaker 2: see the percentages. So we follow along with this. You know,
Speaker 2: it's baseball stock market. I'm seeing guys who rise and
Speaker 2: guys who fall, and guys from nowhere all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you know, get into the conversation, or guys who get
Speaker 2: to a certain level and that's all they're going to get,
Speaker 2: you know, like a Rod or Manny Ramirez or Bonds
Speaker 2: or Clemens. But I liked following along with that because
Speaker 2: I'd like to understand these trends, like why is somebody
Speaker 2: a Billy Wagner as a Hall of Famer in his
Speaker 2: last year of eligibility. Why was he a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm always curious about. He didn't play anymore baseball.
Speaker 2: Last I looked, he didn't play anymore baseball. PAULI check,
Speaker 2: did Billy Wagner play any more baseball?
Speaker 4: I got nothing?
Speaker 2: Okay, But you get to this point and it's you know,
Speaker 2: the writers of the gatekeepers here. So if you're going
Speaker 2: to have a powerful position, then I'd like to know
Speaker 2: where you stand on somebody. And I think that when
Speaker 2: I voted for the NBA, I had no problem my voting,
Speaker 2: and I made it public. And did I get roughed
Speaker 2: up in Salt Lake when I didn't vote for Karl
Speaker 2: Malone or in Phoenix when I didn't vote for Barkley, Yes,
Speaker 2: but it goes along with the territory. I had no
Speaker 2: problem with that, Yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8: And when it comes to MLB Hall of Fame voting
Speaker 8: guys like Carlos Beltran who got like seventy percent of
Speaker 8: the vote, I'm sure it's got to be one of
Speaker 8: those or you're kidding.
Speaker 3: No, No, he's going to get in next year.
Speaker 7: Almost like Billy Wagner, like you're close this year, but
Speaker 7: the next year.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, Carlos Beltran will get in next year.
Speaker 2: I think Andrew Jones should you know, he should get in.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 2: He was close as well. And I don't think the
Speaker 2: voting as far as candidates next year, I don't think
Speaker 2: it's a great list, but and sometimes it's timing.
Speaker 6: Yes, tom See, that's a problem too, that you're going
Speaker 6: to get into Cooperstown are not based on how weak
Speaker 6: or strong the year is. Of who's up on a
Speaker 6: given year should not be included in who you vote for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're all fired up with your Houston Astros gear on.
Speaker 6: I've always been about Billy Wagoner, I just haven't spoken
Speaker 6: about it a lot.
Speaker 7: On there. I kept that one to myself. Nobody's business.
Speaker 4: Yes, Paul Chritsy looks like relaxed bit Billy Wagner right now.
Speaker 7: That outfit.
Speaker 3: I don't think I use fit, but I relaxed. Yeah
Speaker 3: you are.
Speaker 7: I'm comfortable with my two exl jersey. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got your Billy Wagner that jersey, that uniform
Speaker 2: of the astros.
Speaker 3: Boring is boring, boring Killer B's though.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it doesn't change the look of the jersey.
Speaker 2: But thank you to all right, let me take a break.
Speaker 2: We'll settle on a pull question sports anger. We'll address
Speaker 2: that coming up. We're back after this Dan Patrick show.
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Speaker 3: Big basketball game coming up tonight.
Speaker 2: If I would have said this at the beginning of
Speaker 2: the year, Hey, mid January, big basketball game, you'd say,
Speaker 2: who are the Lakers playing?
Speaker 3: Cavaliers?
Speaker 2: Rockets? Coming up tonight? My Rockets, Mike Cans coming up tonight? Anybody, anybody?
Speaker 3: Anybody? Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: Paulie came in and he had sports anger, and I said,
Speaker 2: I won't slow it down, save it for the show.
Speaker 2: But he had some sports anger. We'll address that coming up. Also,
Speaker 2: we'll play whose stats what you want UH seton? Would
Speaker 2: you give me the poll question from the first hour?
Speaker 2: Did we decide on something?
Speaker 5: I don't know if he necessarily decided on something, but
Speaker 5: we have many, many options okay, including should Hall of
Speaker 5: Fame voting be public or private?
Speaker 3: That's kind of fun, Paul has.
Speaker 5: If you were a Baseball Hall of Fame wroter, would
Speaker 5: you Hall of Fame voter? Would you lean towards not
Speaker 5: voting for anyone as a first ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 2: There are purists who do that that, Hey, Babe, Ruth
Speaker 2: wasn't unanimous, or Ty Cobb, and I mean because you
Speaker 2: did that. You know, back then you had writers who
Speaker 2: really held a grudge against some athletes, certainly Ted Williams,
Speaker 2: even the Boston writers didn't like him. But nowadays, I
Speaker 2: think today's athlete understands that you have to have availability,
Speaker 2: you have to be able to be I think your
Speaker 2: relationship with the media is important, and so I think
Speaker 2: today's athlete smarter to understand that you can't be brooding.
Speaker 2: You know, Barry Bonds could be that way, but he
Speaker 2: was also a great player. There's certain athletes where you go, yeah,
Speaker 2: he didn't care about the media, but he's too good
Speaker 2: to pass up. Now with Bonds, obviously you got baggage there,
Speaker 2: but he was still a difficult guy to deal with.
Speaker 3: There there's certain.
Speaker 2: Guys that are difficult but sometimes the numbers are just
Speaker 2: too good. But I do think your vote should be public.
Speaker 2: I have a problem if somebody says he's not a
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer his first year, but his seventh year
Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer. I just think if I
Speaker 2: say your name, then that should tell me what you
Speaker 2: think of that player.
Speaker 3: Not he's got to earn it, but they do. You
Speaker 3: can see the progression.
Speaker 2: Somebody will get thirteen percent and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's twenty two, then it's twenty nine, then it's you know,
Speaker 2: forty one.
Speaker 3: They're trending. But that's how the process is.
Speaker 2: And the baseball riders they wield all the power here,
Speaker 2: just like pro football riders.
Speaker 3: They wield all the power.
Speaker 5: What else do you have, Seaton, Here's another one that
Speaker 5: I'm sort of kicking around a little bit. Uh, Who's
Speaker 5: coaching legacy changes more with a Super Bowl win this season?
Speaker 9: Wow?
Speaker 3: Let me save that one.
Speaker 2: Let me save that one for next hour when we
Speaker 2: have well, no, I have Joe Thomas in the final.
Speaker 3: Hour of the progres.
Speaker 2: CC might have some thoughts on CC Sabathia. I think
Speaker 2: he was a football player, so he'll join us a
Speaker 2: little later.
Speaker 4: On.
Speaker 2: I like that one though, but we'll get to that
Speaker 2: need a little bit more time. I have to deal
Speaker 2: with Paul's sports anger here coming up, So we'll do
Speaker 2: something that's Baseball Hall of Fame related. How about should
Speaker 2: a writer's ballot be made public?
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 3: Okay with that? Sure? Okay?
Speaker 2: Anybody think the ballot should not be made public? Nobody
Speaker 2: in the room? Good, that's the right answer. All right,
Speaker 2: all right, PAULI your sports anger.
Speaker 4: Well, I think this speaks for a lot of people.
Speaker 4: If you're not voting for each Rozuzuki for the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame on his first ballot, what's the reason? What's
Speaker 4: the reason you could concoct? I go back to a
Speaker 4: player like George Brett. George Brett's an all time baseball great.
Speaker 4: His Hall of Fame candidacy is not even a question.
Speaker 4: Eight guys didn't vote for him on the first ballot.
Speaker 4: I don't understand the reasoning of it, as you've said before,
Speaker 4: because you have to create something, who are you saving
Speaker 4: it for? If not George Brett or Mike Schmidt or
Speaker 4: each hero those are the guys you don't think.
Speaker 3: You just vote.
Speaker 2: But I've had a baseball writer I don't know if
Speaker 2: he still is a Hall of Fame voter.
Speaker 3: I'd have to look.
Speaker 2: But he said, I want to use my vote for
Speaker 2: somebody else because I know people will vote for George
Speaker 2: Brett or Mike Schmidt or so this guy might not
Speaker 2: get the attention. And therefore some writers I know one
Speaker 2: who said I'm going to give my vote to somebody
Speaker 2: else and maybe help their cause, which, whether you like
Speaker 2: that or not, I get that, you know, but that
Speaker 2: was one person's logic.
Speaker 3: Yes, Paulin, would you like to be bothered?
Speaker 7: Real quick?
Speaker 4: Dan, Nine people didn't vote for Hank Aaron when he
Speaker 4: was on the ballot. I cannot imagine a reason you
Speaker 4: can come up with. Eleven people didn't vote for Tony Gwynn,
Speaker 4: you know, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, Willie Mays wasn't unanimous, Mickey Mantle wasn't unanimous.
Speaker 6: Yes, ton what if eighty percent of the people that
Speaker 6: are voting disagree with someone else's vote? Is that enough
Speaker 6: to say use this lost your voting privileges. Make it
Speaker 6: a little more interesting where we like survivor Hall of
Speaker 6: Fame voters.
Speaker 2: No, I don't want it to be draconian. You know,
Speaker 2: this is an honor to vote and I'm sure they
Speaker 2: take it very seriously, but I do like that you
Speaker 2: have to come clean on it.
Speaker 12: I just can't.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I just can't give him the vote this time.
Speaker 2: I just can't.
Speaker 4: Willie Mays ninety four point seven of the vote. Five
Speaker 4: percent of the voter said, I just didn't know, you
Speaker 4: know what those last few seasons.
Speaker 3: Okay, take away the catch and what else does he have?
Speaker 7: You take away the catch?
Speaker 3: Take away the catch? What else does he have? That's
Speaker 3: all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Okay, that's all
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: The great Ricky Henderson six percent of people didn't vote
Speaker 4: for Msteeden. Can you imagine a reason? And the thing
Speaker 4: about you know, these are sports writers doing it. These
Speaker 4: aren't casual people. They're supposed to be objective and just
Speaker 4: say like, and I find it very frustrating and not altruistic.
Speaker 2: But that's what I think it should be made public.
Speaker 2: This is something for us that it's very public for
Speaker 2: these players. And if you're voting, just tell me why
Speaker 2: you voted or you didn't vote, and you know you
Speaker 2: you've earned the right to be able to vote. And
Speaker 2: it's open to interpretation. I respect that people didn't like
Speaker 2: that I voted for Jordan for MVP, and as I said,
Speaker 2: I didn't vote for Barkley. I didn't vote for Carl Malone.
Speaker 2: They won the MVP. And there were columnists who came
Speaker 2: after me and wanted to know why I didn't vote
Speaker 2: for them, and it's I said, I didn't. It's not
Speaker 2: that I didn't vote for them. It's just I voted
Speaker 2: for Jordan because he is the most valuable player and
Speaker 2: I thought the end result would be Mike would win
Speaker 2: a championship, and he did those years that Carl Malone
Speaker 2: was MVP in Charles. Maybe that's not fair to them,
Speaker 2: but that's my interpretation of it. That was my logic
Speaker 2: behind all of that. Yes, Marvin, I.
Speaker 8: Can't wait until the sports writer comes out and says, oh,
Speaker 8: I think Walt Weiss deserves some love. So that's why
Speaker 8: I vote for each era. Is there a certain amount
Speaker 8: of players you can vote for each year?
Speaker 3: I don't Are there ten? Is that? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think there's a ballot of a certain number of
Speaker 2: players that you can vote for. I think that's how
Speaker 2: it works.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but how the hell does some of these people
Speaker 5: get all the way down to eleven.
Speaker 3: Then on the list three you're like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I can do it.
Speaker 2: Well, you'll see like Ian Kinsler will get a vote from.
Speaker 5: Somebody deservedly, so yeah, yeah, Finally Louis Soho got a vote.
Speaker 3: Like, hey, what are we doing? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I remember rest his soul. Fred Hickman didn't vote for Shaq.
Speaker 2: Shaq was going to be unanimous MVP, and uh. I
Speaker 2: work with Freddie at CNN, N, ESPN, and I think
Speaker 2: he voted for Iverson.
Speaker 3: Shaq.
Speaker 2: Never let him forget it man, never even even today,
Speaker 2: I could have shack On and I'd say, gosh, what
Speaker 2: do you remember about that season when you know you
Speaker 2: won MVP?
Speaker 3: Yeah, should have been unanimous.
Speaker 2: But guys will do a solid for a player, and
Speaker 2: sometimes they won't vote for somebody because they had to
Speaker 2: run in with them a problem with them. It happens
Speaker 2: because the human element is involved in this. A couple
Speaker 2: of phone calls in here Sam in La, Good morning Sam,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 13: Good morning Dan and the Dan Ads. Hey, my great
Speaker 13: grandfather is in the Baseball Hall of Fame. His name
Speaker 13: is Wahoo Sam Crawford, And I think each year does
Speaker 13: deserve the Hall of Fame. But my question would be
Speaker 13: if he was a high school senior today and that's
Speaker 13: when they seen the draft baseball players in a few
Speaker 13: years in the minor leagues, would each Ero's style of
Speaker 13: play make it to the big leagues today? Your opinion?
Speaker 13: And in honor of my great grandfather, can the dan
Speaker 13: has look up one cool thing and say on the air,
Speaker 13: he's pretty remarkable, thank you?
Speaker 3: All right? That's a wahoo. Did he play for Cleveland?
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would each you ro be you know, would they
Speaker 2: want somebody who's going to be a slap hitter and
Speaker 2: that you're going to bat three sixty. I don't think
Speaker 2: his on base percentage was as great as it probably
Speaker 2: should have been for somebody who had like one year,
Speaker 2: each Row had two hundred and sixty two hits. I
Speaker 2: believe two hundred and sixty two. Getting to two hundred
Speaker 2: was supposed to be magical. Yes, Pauline, he did not
Speaker 2: walk a lot and he did not strike out a lot.
Speaker 2: The ball was in play. Yeah, he was a great fielder,
Speaker 2: had a great arm as well. Now they didn't win,
Speaker 2: but like each your Row was like Tony Gwyn was
Speaker 2: like Wade Boggs was like Rod Carew You couldn't get
Speaker 2: him out?
Speaker 8: Yes, Mark, Yeah, his best chance to win was his
Speaker 8: rookie year. They won like one hundred and sixteen games.
Speaker 8: You want MVP that season. I believe Rookie of the
Speaker 8: Year and MV.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think Brett Boone hit forty nine forty.
Speaker 7: Eight home runs that year.
Speaker 2: So that was a good team. But that was a
Speaker 2: team built for the regular season, not the postseason.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, when the Yankee saw them, they were like,
Speaker 7: all right, this is enough.
Speaker 2: They didn't They didn't have great starting pitching. They didn't
Speaker 2: have that hammer that you go, oh, we got we're
Speaker 2: gonna face him three times? Who they have like Wilson
Speaker 2: al Verrez or something like, oh, I don't.
Speaker 7: Know, Mike Cameron.
Speaker 2: I liked Mike Cameron, but he wasn't pitching. Uh, let's see. Yes, Paulie, I.
Speaker 4: Can remember you doing the radio show at ESPN back
Speaker 4: before I worked on it, and you guys did lots
Speaker 4: of topics of Etro should be eligible for Rookie of
Speaker 4: the Year, even though he played five years in Japan.
Speaker 4: It was like an ongoing topic his entire rookie year.
Speaker 2: Did we did we find out about Sam Crawford. Did
Speaker 2: he play for Cleveland?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know anything else about him. I
Speaker 2: played for the Heads, okay, and the Tigers. Okay, Wahoo
Speaker 2: he was from Wahoo, Nebraska. I think God is how
Speaker 2: he got his nickname. But I don't know what. What
Speaker 2: is the big distinguishing stat?
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, two time home run leader in nineteen oh one,
Speaker 8: in nineteen oh eight. I would love to see how
Speaker 8: many homers he hit, probably like four h three time
Speaker 8: UH American League RBI leader twenty ten, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: Nobody is breaking down Wahoo Sam Crawford like we are.
Speaker 2: He does hold baseball's career record of three hundred and
Speaker 2: nine triples.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of triple Thank you Todd.
Speaker 7: He led the league in triples six times.
Speaker 2: Steat of the day, the day, bub stead of the day,
Speaker 2: stat of the day?
Speaker 3: Here comes what stat of the day.
Speaker 2: That's why I love doing this show. Who knows where
Speaker 2: We're going? Yeah, Marvin, do you know any career home
Speaker 2: runs he had after.
Speaker 3: Leading the league seventeen?
Speaker 7: No, he's a boss. Ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Baby Ruth hit that in eighteen minds killed that. Yes,
Speaker 2: Paul in one. As a rookie, he led the league
Speaker 2: with sixteen home runs nineteen oh one. Love it, Uh
Speaker 2: Jackson in Texas, hyt Jackson, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12: Yes?
Speaker 9: The reason why I appreciate you, Dan is that you're
Speaker 9: always looking in the mirror on voting. One guy that
Speaker 9: I've got a problem with that these writers are not
Speaker 9: looking in the mirror. Is is you look at Kurk Shilling. Yeah,
Speaker 9: strike out to walk ratio when you go to it,
Speaker 9: and then when he makes a personal opinion, they hold
Speaker 9: it against him, and then the judge's character. Which he
Speaker 9: won the Roberto Clemente Award. He took three different franchises
Speaker 9: to the World Series. He's got three World Series rings
Speaker 9: with two different franchises. Let alone, this man hit himself
Speaker 9: as a base ball player was very dominant.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: We were talking about Kurt Schilling yesterday. His personality kept
Speaker 2: him out of the Hall of Fame because if you
Speaker 2: said you got a game to win, He's on the
Speaker 2: short list all time pitchers. He's a top ten game
Speaker 2: on the line postseason and Kurt Schilling would certainly be
Speaker 2: on my short list there. But I don't know how
Speaker 2: much personality or comments, political stance. How that's supposed to
Speaker 2: factor in. I think it does more in baseball. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's supposed to factor in at all with
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: I don't know the criteria.
Speaker 8: Yes, Marv, and people forget about him in Philadelphia too,
Speaker 8: Like young kershim was a boss even before he got
Speaker 8: to the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 2: In the Red Sox, I think he had a season
Speaker 2: where he won thirteen games and had three hundred strikeouts
Speaker 2: and it bet you know. And then they played Toronto
Speaker 2: in the World Series and Shill was very good in
Speaker 2: that World Series. That's when Mitch Williams gave up the
Speaker 2: home run to Joe Carter. But the attention he got
Speaker 2: was he had a towel over his head. I think
Speaker 2: when Mitch came in and it was a oh my god,
Speaker 2: I can't watch this, And I think that, I mean,
Speaker 2: Shill was polarizing. Shill's smartest guy in the room just
Speaker 2: asking him. But I liked him. I thought he was entertaining.
Speaker 2: And you want somebody who man's up game on the line.
Speaker 12: He is.
Speaker 3: He wants the ball. How about who's whose stats would
Speaker 3: you want here? Who stands Who's stats?
Speaker 1: What'd you want?
Speaker 7: Tell me?
Speaker 4: Tell me, tell me who stands?
Speaker 1: Who's stats? Who'd you want?
Speaker 3: All right, Paul picture number one?
Speaker 7: Here you go.
Speaker 4: You know Marvin has one more thing for you.
Speaker 3: Oh you won't. Where the heck did that come from?
Speaker 7: I typed in stats?
Speaker 5: That's Ray in the back room. I think he just
Speaker 5: whipped that one up. Oh now I'm just kidding. Oh,
Speaker 5: here we go. Okay, whose stats would you want? Pitcher
Speaker 5: number one? In his career, he had two hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty one wins, three point seventy four ERA one cy
Speaker 5: Young award top five for the cy Young five times,
Speaker 5: ten and seven in the postseason, including an ALCS MVP
Speaker 5: Pitcher number two, two hundred and sixteen career wins three
Speaker 5: point four to six ERA no cy Young's but finished
Speaker 5: in the top five four different times for the Saya.
Speaker 5: He was eleven and two in the postseason. He had
Speaker 5: an NLCS MVP and a World Series MVP. Who's stats
Speaker 5: would you want?
Speaker 3: Well? Do I want Kurt Shillings stats, pitt your number two?
Speaker 3: Number two?
Speaker 2: Or do I want CC Sabbathia's pitcher number one? Okay, boy,
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a wrong answer in this.
Speaker 3: I would take shilling just the postseason numbers.
Speaker 2: Eleven and two in the postseason, MVP in the World Series,
Speaker 2: MVP n LCS, MVP for the Red Sox.
Speaker 4: Yes, Pauling chilling out his best year with the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame voting, got seventy one percent of the vote.
Speaker 4: He finished sixteen. Shy cc is going in first ballot.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, let me take a break, get to more
Speaker 2: phone calls coming up. C C. Sabathia will join us,
Speaker 2: coming up. Remember when he would tild his cap and
Speaker 2: all the baseball purests had a problem with that. He
Speaker 2: doesn't respect the game. Put your hat on correctly, a
Speaker 2: little respect.
Speaker 3: Come on. It's like when Ken Griffy Junior had his
Speaker 3: hat backwards. Oh my god, Oh no, what's he doing
Speaker 3: in the game. Let me take a break.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he wouldn't do that.
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Speaker 2: please sure ken Okay, we got up there right now
Speaker 2: for the first hour of the show. Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: voting should be public or private. This is going to
Speaker 2: shock you, but this one's a landslide. Ninety percent of
Speaker 2: the audience want the voting public.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think that's the fun part. Sports
Speaker 3: is about conversation.
Speaker 2: It's about arguing and why, you know, why do we
Speaker 2: stop here where you don't have to tell somebody who
Speaker 2: you're voting for. I think it's so important to these players.
Speaker 2: I think that they're owed that if I was a
Speaker 2: candidate and I was around seventy three percent, and I
Speaker 2: didn't get in. Why didn't I get in? What's holding
Speaker 2: me back? Not that I can do anything about it,
Speaker 2: but at least I can understand. You know that one
Speaker 2: year Bruce Suiter was the only one to get in.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there was no other Hall of Fame candidates
Speaker 2: back then that year, just one Bruce Suitter. Now, some
Speaker 2: you know, people say that I've been criticized because I'm
Speaker 2: more lenient with it. I want to celebrate no matter what.
Speaker 2: The sport is more celebration than less, and with baseball
Speaker 2: celebrating more, Baseball needs more celebrating. Now that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: I'm putting in marginal players or borderline players. You still
Speaker 2: have to be a Hall of Famer. It's just the
Speaker 2: process sometimes of you need to earn this, You need
Speaker 2: to grovel a little bit here, Eh, you got forty
Speaker 2: nine percent. Man, next year you get to fifty seven,
Speaker 2: and you might get up to sixty one, and we'll see,
Speaker 2: you know, you got four more years on the ballot.
Speaker 3: Maybe yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8: So the part that's getting me is Billy Wagner his
Speaker 8: first year twenty sixteen on the ballot, ten percent. I know,
Speaker 8: And now you're in. Yeah, like what happened in these
Speaker 8: like like Paula said he hadn't played any baseball.
Speaker 3: Paid his dues.
Speaker 2: Maybe the landscape changed. Now there's three hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: four voters for the Baseball Hall of Fame. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they put out you know, here are the parameters.
Speaker 2: I think it's just and analytics has changed a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, with how you're supposed to look at somebody.
Speaker 2: Somebody you thought was really good is not as good
Speaker 2: as you thought they were, and somebody who you didn't
Speaker 2: think was that good or Hall of Fame worthy, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you get analytics, and I think that's
Speaker 2: helped quite a few players, Yes, Pauline.
Speaker 4: Also, I think baseball is more friendly to injury. If
Speaker 4: Terrell Davis clearly on his way to the Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame before injury hit, clearly, but he didn't have a
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame career with numbers. He had three unbelievable
Speaker 4: seasons if you want to compare that to baseball Tim
Speaker 4: Linsekam two straight Cy Young's, then the injury bug made
Speaker 4: him an average pitcher for a while. He does not
Speaker 4: get credit and he will not go to the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame likely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Terrell Davis is in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: and he had two of the greatest running seasons ever ever.
Speaker 2: He's got the most yards in a season, regular season,
Speaker 2: postseason combined, and he was the reason why they won
Speaker 2: two Super Bowls.
Speaker 3: Injuries cut short his career.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. He was great and he was
Speaker 2: a difference maker. They ran the ball down your throat.
Speaker 2: And Terrell Davis short career, Gail Sayers short career, Sandy
Speaker 2: Kofak short career, Kirby Puckett, Like, I get it. It's
Speaker 2: it doesn't work for everybody, but those that you see
Speaker 2: and you go, go, that guy is just different than
Speaker 2: everybody else.
Speaker 3: Uh, let's see Shawn and Oregon. Hi, Sean, welcome back, Hey.
Speaker 12: Dan, thanks for taking my call. I just don't think
Speaker 12: we're going to see too many people get in unanimously.
Speaker 12: I mean, it just don't. It isn't nearly one player
Speaker 12: that's been accepted unanosally, isn't that mo Rivera?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 12: Well, and then when I think of Moa Rivera, I
Speaker 12: think that, you know, the biggest moment in his entire
Speaker 12: career was the only one game seven He's the only
Speaker 12: pitched to one Game seven in the World Series, and
Speaker 12: he blew it.
Speaker 2: That's when I think of him, Okay, he I mean
Speaker 2: he had one moment that he didn't you know, he failed.
Speaker 2: That was a blue pit by Luis Gonzalez over short Stone,
Speaker 2: all right. I mean he had one bad moment in
Speaker 2: an entire career, yes, marm.
Speaker 8: And the thing was me and Paul were just talking
Speaker 8: about it. The thing that made it so big was
Speaker 8: that it never happened to mo Rivera. He always closed
Speaker 8: the deal.
Speaker 3: And it was a broken bat by Luis Gonzales.
Speaker 7: He didn't hit some bomb.
Speaker 2: No, It's like it just kind of fell fell out
Speaker 2: into the outfield. Yes, Paul, I.
Speaker 4: Think you asked Moa Rivera maybe ten years ago about it.
Speaker 4: Did it bother you that it was such a no
Speaker 4: offense We hit like a slap hit you? Heyes, oh totally.
Speaker 3: But he threw the perfect pitch.
Speaker 2: He broke his bat like it went in on him
Speaker 2: so much, and Gonzales fought it off and you know,
Speaker 2: won the World Series.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's actually like the perfect way for him to be
Speaker 5: beaten in that moment, you know, just a kind of
Speaker 5: a lucky, fluky play.
Speaker 3: That like, God, this is the one. Really, that's it.
Speaker 5: Nobody they didn't get a hold of one, they didn't whatever,
Speaker 5: It's just this little flute.
Speaker 2: Wasn't he on the mound when Dave Roberts stole second
Speaker 2: base against the Yankees? So two moments there. Oh, but
Speaker 2: he got one hundred percent of the vote. One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: CC Sabathia will join his Hall of Famer. A few
Speaker 2: things talk to him about. I like to get a
Speaker 2: pair of those pants that he used to wear, those
Speaker 2: huge pants. Hour two on the way after this