1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. My daddy is a hero. 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: He helped me grow up truck. He helped me. I'm 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: not good too. He reads me. But my shoes my daddy, Daddy, 4 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: and love you. Every time I hear that, it's still 5 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: just makes my heart hurt so much. You were hearing 6 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: for your old little Bella sitting in the back seat, 7 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: and I was just thinking about when my children were 8 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: still in car seats. They still have, you know, each 9 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: side that they've been sitting on since they were little. 10 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: It still stuck to their sides of the minivan. No 11 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: more car seats. But I heard Lucy singing some song, 12 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: one of the hymns from our church, I think, and 13 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: John David trying to chime in, and I just listened 14 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: to them a couple of days ago. That's never going 15 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: to happen for Shenane Watts. She'll never hear Bella four 16 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: Celesque three singing again in the back seat. Why they're dead. 17 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: I've Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 18 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: being with us. You know it's the only one I 19 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: didn't mention in that family scenario was daddy. And there's 20 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: a reason for that. Chris Watts now blames one of 21 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: his many lovers his mistresses during his marriage to Shanine, 22 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: including when she was pregnant at the time of her death. 23 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: Blames the mistress for killing all three of them, describing 24 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: in horrific detail how his pregnant wife Shenan's eyes filled 25 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: with blood as he strangled her dead with me an 26 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: All Star panel Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, Stephen Lampley, detective, 27 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: author of Outside Your Door, psychotherapist and hosts of a 28 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: Facebook live program on Times Square, Doctor Robbie Ludwig, Professor Forensics, 29 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Joseph 30 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. But right now, to Radar online dot COM's 31 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Alexis terres Check, Alexis, does it never end 32 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: with this guy? Why won't he shut up? Of course, 33 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: we don't say the S word in our house. The 34 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: twins think the sword is shut up. I'm sure that 35 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: won't last long. But Alexis, why won't he just be 36 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: quiet and away? Chris Watts is so disturbed. It's like 37 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: he can't get enough of hearing himself talk and talking, 38 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: and to me, these are just lies. He's coming up 39 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: with more and more lies about his family. He has 40 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: said now that he would never have killed these kids 41 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: or not for his mistress Nicole Kessenger and blames her completely. 42 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: She was not there, she was no, no, no, Which 43 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: one is she? Now? She the co worker? Is she 44 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: one of the ones he met on grinder or tender 45 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: or something? She's actually the co worker and the co 46 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: worker and her dad worked with him, So there is 47 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: no way on earth. What do you mean she's actually 48 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: the co worker, Like that's somehow better than all the 49 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: women he met on grinder or tender? Which one was it? 50 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: Grinder or tender? I think tender, right, tender? Okay, so 51 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: she's actually the coworker. What is she like, got on 52 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: a white gloves at the tea party? Oh h e 53 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: l L No, Alexa, she's right in there, steing in 54 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: the same pot as all the others. I think they 55 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: knew he was married. I know she knew he was married. 56 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: She knew he wasn't divorced yet, she knew he had children. 57 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, isn't she the one that 58 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: when Chanan was away he actually brings her to the house. 59 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: It makes her tuna fish sandwich lunch or some bs 60 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 1: like that. Tuna fish my rear end. Yes, he brought 61 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: her to the house, drove her in the car that 62 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: Nan had worked so hard because Nan was out of town. 63 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: Sham worked so hard in her job. Okay, just let 64 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: me put this out there, and Wendy Patrick, you'll have 65 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 1: to come make a cameo appearance as a defense lawyer 66 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: if this happens. If I ever find out David Eugene 67 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: Lynch has another woman up in my minivan, oh no, 68 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: I will blow the whole thing up. Okay, just bam, 69 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: all right there, I set it, go ahead, Alexis's he 70 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: did in her car, brings her over to his house, 71 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: the house that he shared with his wife and his 72 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: two little girls, made her lunch. I'm sure there was 73 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: some monkey business going on. And then okay, here's Jackie 74 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: Howard here in this udo with Dave Mack just again 75 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: spin have you? Did you know an owl I actually 76 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: can't spin its head three hundred and sixty degrees around? 77 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: John David told me that the other night with one 78 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: of his believe it or not facts. But it looks 79 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: like she's spinning her head all the way around She says, 80 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: forget about driving chanans. What does she have, Alexis, But 81 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: he had the woman in bed, in their bed, and 82 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: that's the thing. They were in the room, in the house, 83 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: everything that they did, that's something I care more about 84 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: the eighty thousand dollars, Alexis than I would the ten 85 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: dollars target sheets. But go ahead, and this is the 86 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: bed that he eventually killed his wife in. So he 87 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: brings this mistress, Nicole Kessinger. They have They were together 88 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: for months and months and months. He was spending all 89 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: of his money on her, and that's how Nan found out. Well, 90 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: she was suspicious anyway, but this was the actual proof, 91 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: the smoking gun that she needed. She saw she was 92 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: out of town. He was going to a restaurant that 93 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: was I believe Red lobs which is really expensive, and 94 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: it was not a meal for one, it was obviously 95 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: a meal for two. They don't have any money right now. 96 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: They're in a financial crisis. She sees this and she says, 97 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: what is going on with you? Okay, let me just 98 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: tell you about Red Lobster. Okay, the twins and I've 99 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: been watching Young Sheldon because I saw it on a 100 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: plane and the sister Missy wanted to go to the 101 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: most expensive fancy restaurant in Texas, and the daw went, okay, 102 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: what she goes Red Lobster. Long story short, the twins 103 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: see this and they suddenly it was Lucy suddenly wants 104 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: to go to Red Lobster. They both got lobster. They 105 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: ate it like, I mean, yeah, okay, they racked up 106 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: a bill my two twins. I didn't have the heart 107 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: to say, why did you pick out the most expensive 108 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: thing on the menu, but yes, so you can tell 109 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: by looking at the receipt whether it's one or two. 110 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Robbie Ludwig with me, psychotherapist that hosts 111 00:06:55,320 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: her own show at Times Square. Robbie Ludwig, what you're 112 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: listening to what Alexis is saying, quote, if I hadn't 113 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: met Nikki, I would never have killed my family. What 114 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: is that blaming somebody else for him murdering not one, 115 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: not too but three people, A three year old, a 116 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: four year old, and his pregnant wife. I mean that 117 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: is just bs. And I think with this type of 118 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: classic sociopath, there's just a making of stories to save 119 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: the self. I don't even think Chris believes half the 120 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: things that come out of his mouth. This murder did 121 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: not happen because of a mistress. This happened because of 122 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: the life Chris wanted to live and he felt was 123 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: outside of his marriage and this was his only way out. 124 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: But it sounds good, it sounds convincing, and maybe it'll stick. 125 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: And that's what the sociopath does. It's lie on top 126 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: of lie, on top of lie until one is convincing 127 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: enough to stick. Twindy Patrick, a veteran the California prosecutor author, 128 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: I've read flags on Amazon as if she has extra 129 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: time in between prosecuting felony crimes to write a book. 130 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: But she did, Wendy Patrick, this is not uncommon. It's 131 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: blame shifting, or is the twins like to say shape shifter, 132 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: because suddenly he's not a bad guy anymore. He's not 133 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: a triple killer, actually quadruple killer if you count the baby, 134 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: baby Nico, that Shenan was carrying. Suddenly it's Nikki's fault. 135 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: It's all her fault. It goes all the way back 136 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: to Adam and even the Garden of Eating Eden. Adam 137 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: did it and then blamed eat You know, is there 138 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: not any new moves in the play. But Wendy Patrick 139 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: harbat has to do with the question you just asked. 140 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: The extent to which Chris Watts revealed his motives and 141 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: why he did what he did in excruciating detail, but 142 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: perhaps was not the result he would expect. It just 143 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: makes it more aggravating, more heartbreaking, and makes it more 144 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: difficult to understand how any human being could do it 145 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: because of his explanation of his motive. Oh, because it 146 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: was a mistress. Now whether or not he braises it 147 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: as oh, well, it's her fault. What kind of a 148 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: relationship survives a murder? We always wonder that every single 149 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: time there's a mistress that is too quote unquote blame 150 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: for somebody losing it and killing your entire family. Well, 151 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: I distinctly remember when it all went down, Chris Watts. Watts, 152 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: what's going on right now around your house? Right now, 153 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: it's got canine units, the sheriff's apartment. Everybody's like they're 154 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: they're doing the best right now to figure out like 155 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: if they can get a sent and see where they went, 156 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: if they went on foot, they went in a car, 157 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: or they went somewhere, And right now it's just like 158 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: they've they've been on point. They're going through the house 159 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: trying to get a sent and hopefully they can pick 160 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: something up to where it's it's going to lead to something. 161 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: What happened. She came home from the airport two am 162 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: and I left around five fifteen. She was still here, 163 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: and like about twelve ten in that afternoon, her friend 164 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: Nicole showed up at the door. Like I had texted 165 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: a two times that day. I called her say, you know, 166 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: but she never got back to me. But she wasn't 167 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: get back to any of her people as well. And 168 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: that's what really concerned a lot of people. It's like 169 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: she's not getting back to her like she doesn't get 170 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: back to me, that's fine, Like she gets based during 171 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: the day, but she get back to her people, which 172 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: was very concerning. And Nicole called me when she was 173 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: at the door, and that's when they came home and 174 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: then walked in the house. And nothing has vanished. Nothing 175 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: was here, I mean, she wasn't she wasn't here, the 176 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: kids weren't here. Nobody was here. Well, his lips are moving, 177 00:10:48,320 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: you know what that means. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace 178 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: to give you some background. The Fredick Police Department receives 179 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: a missing person called just excuse Me. Just before two 180 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: pm on Monday, August twenty thirty eighteen, our agency launched investigation, 181 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: conducting interviews neighborhood campuses in an effort to locate Nan 182 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: and her two girls, Bella and Celeste. We also contacted 183 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: the FBI and the CBI to assist in this case. 184 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: In addition to providing investigative agents and crime scene responders 185 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: a missing excuse Me, a missing danger alert was announced 186 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: on Tuesday afternoon. Fredick PD conducted additional campuses were flyers 187 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: featuring Chanan, Celeste, and Bellow were distributed to Raby. Finally, 188 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: in the late hours of Wednesday evening, the husband and 189 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: Chris Watts, was taken into custody. At this point, we 190 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: have been able to recover of a body that we're 191 00:11:54,080 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: quite certain is Chanan Watts Biden. We have strong reason 192 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: to believe that we know where the bodies of the 193 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: children are and recovery efforts are in process. On that 194 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: you're hearing a police pressor as they break the news 195 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: to the public that they believe they have found all 196 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: three bodies of Shechnan Watts, age thirty four, baby Bella, 197 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: age four, baby Celeste, age three two. Joseph Scott Morgan, 198 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, an author of Blood Beneath 199 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: My Feet. He is a death investigator and has investigated 200 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: literally thousands of homicides, suicides, accidents, natural cause deaths. Joe 201 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, please describe for us the way the bodies 202 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: were found, where were they and what were their conditions. Well, 203 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to Nan, her body was found buried 204 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: in a shallow grave that is actually in a petroleum 205 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: processing area way out in the middle of nowhere. In 206 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: the context of the grave in which she was found, 207 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: it's bare raw soil that wasn't very deep Nancy, and 208 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: that's why they were able to locate her, I think 209 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: pretty easily. But what's really kind of poignant here is 210 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: that in the midst of this grave where they discovered 211 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: her her body, she had had what is referred to 212 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: as a coffin birth. She had literally her body had 213 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: expelled the remains of unborn little Nico that died as 214 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: a result of what his father had done to Nan. 215 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: And then, of course in the adjacent area where those 216 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: these huge, huge wells are are, they're actually storage containers. 217 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: The bodies individually of these two precious little girls are 218 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: found floating literally in raw petroleum. And you know, Nancy, 219 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: when I initially saw the images from the scene, I 220 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: could hear the emotion in the police officer's voice. He 221 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: was well aware at that point in tom what had happened, 222 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: because these little girls were literally forced through what's referred 223 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: to as a thief hatch, which is this tiny little 224 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: access area to push them down into that area. They 225 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: fell just you know, well, in excess of fifteen feet 226 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: probably up to twenty to twenty five feet into the depths, 227 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: this black depths of this petroleum. And he did this 228 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: just to discard their bodies, and of course the bodies 229 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: were in horrible condition when the authorities finally were able 230 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: to recover and the reality is to Alexis Terrestro Radar 231 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: online dot com following up on what Joseph Scott Morgan said. 232 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: To get the girls into these drums, these oil drums 233 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: of crude oil that Joe Scott was describing, they didn't 234 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: quite fit. Their shoulders were bigger than the opening of 235 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: the receptacle, so he had to cram them down or 236 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: bend their bodies to get them into the tank. Alexis. 237 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: When the girls were found, they had huge scrapes all 238 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: over their body because of the way that he had shown. 239 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: This is only an eight inch wide hole, so he 240 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: shoved them in. Their their bodies, they were scraped. They 241 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: had scratches on their bottoms, which was I guess, as 242 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, sticks out a little bit, so that's where 243 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: it would scrape as he was shoving them into this hole. 244 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: And then when the investigators had pulled these children out 245 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: of this oil, they had to drain the whole tank 246 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: very carefully. It took a very long time pulled them out. 247 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: The girls were degloved, and what that means is that 248 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: their skin had come off their bodies. It's because they 249 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: had been soaking in this oil. But Chris has changed 250 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: his story so many times because he's such a lot. 251 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: Are you whoa whoa whoa whoa? You see him like 252 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: one of the oj gerars? What calling him OJH? Calling 253 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: him by his first name, Like, what you think you're 254 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: going to have dinner with him and his ploys this 255 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: one night? That's not happening, Alexis, He's behind bars. Now. 256 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know you on our first name basis with him, 257 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: mister Watts has changed his story, so or just Watts 258 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: is fine? Or killer dad? Oh the kayler Alexis. Before 259 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: we get into all of his lying ways, how did 260 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: these letters come forward? I mean, you've got the one 261 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: where he's describing, Oh, hey, Steve Lampley before I go 262 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: to Alexis with me. Detective Stephen Lampley, author of Outside 263 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: Your Door. You can find him at Stephen Lampley dot com. Steve, 264 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: did you hear him talking? That was day one of missing, 265 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: about giving the chronology of when she went missing and 266 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: the friend came to the door. He's lying through his teeth, 267 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: fancy he was. I watched that numerous times, and this 268 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: seemed like every time I watched it, I caught a 269 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: new set or now new lie. His repeating words, his 270 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: used to pronounce his base shifting. I knew the man 271 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: was guilty. I was just waiting for the evidence to 272 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: follow up him. And of course he didn't take long thereafter. 273 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: Like you said, while ago, his lips were moving. He 274 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: was wife, you know, And I know everybody thinks we're jaded, Stephen, 275 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: but at a certain point, having dealt with everybody on 276 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: this panel anyway, when you've dealt with literally thousands of witnesses, defendants, victims, 277 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: you get a very good sense of who is lying. 278 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: Alexi's terrestric the letter where he described after he has 279 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: sex with her. In his mind, he knew it was 280 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: one last time. He was already embroiled in a sex 281 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: relationship with the coworker, and there were all the women 282 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: he was meeting online for motel hookups. He knew he 283 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: was going to kill her, but he had sex with 284 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: her one last time, then got on top of her, 285 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: straddled her, and strangled her dead. And in these letters 286 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: he describes how her eyes filled up with blood and 287 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: she was actually praying as she died. Then he killed 288 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: the two children. Where are these letters coming from, Alexis? 289 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Sarah is a woman who started writing to him. She 290 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: doesn't know him, she had no connection to the case 291 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: at all. She started writing him in prison because she 292 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: said she felt like she could help him and maybe 293 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: bring him closer to God, which is sort of a 294 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: theme with everybody that writes to people in prison, which 295 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: is so strange to me. Well, they either want to 296 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: bring him closer to God, they want to make money 297 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: off of them, or they want to have sex with them. 298 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: That's my experience with people to get that. Are these 299 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: pen pals with inmates. They either want to save their soul, 300 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: God bless them, they want to make money off of them, 301 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: like selling their letters or whatever memorability they can get 302 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: from them, or they want to have sex slash marry them. 303 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: That's my experience. Alexus. Well, it looks like she's going 304 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: to make money off of Chris. And I don't think 305 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: that she has brought him to God because he hasn't 306 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: really even said he was sorry or asked for forgiveness 307 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: at all during this entire story. So this woman isn't true. 308 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: On one of her visits, she actually brings him a cheeseburger, 309 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: a bag of chips in a mountain dew yes, and 310 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: they she said when they first when she first started 311 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: to visit him, they were not allowed to have any 312 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: physical contact because he's in such a he's in a 313 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: maximum security prison. But as their visits went on and on, 314 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: they're now allowed to spend time physically with each other. 315 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: And she just gives him hugs and that she thinks 316 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: that makes him feel better after he killed his wife 317 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: and his two children. Okay, Doctor Robbie Ludwig. I keep 318 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: trying to introduce you through your new program at Times Square. 319 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: What is the name of it. It's talking Live with 320 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: Doctor Robbie Ludwig. Did you know what? He tells this 321 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: woman running the book Letters from Christopher. He says to her, quote, 322 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: all I could feel was now I was free to 323 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: be with Nikki. Feelings of my love for her was 324 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: grammatical error was overcoming me. I quote, I felt no remorse. 325 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: That's what he tells Arthur Shirland title. I'm sure a 326 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: component of that is true. That part of what triggered 327 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: the killings was this desire for a new life, to 328 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: have a do over, to start over with a woman 329 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: he felt would give him the opportunity to feel successful, 330 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: be successful, feel in love, and get it right this 331 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: time around. But I also, well, wait a minute, wait, 332 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: get it right at this time? What were the what 333 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: were the three children? Got it wrong? He got something, 334 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: got it wrong, got it wrong. So you know, Chris 335 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: Watts got it wrong. He married the wrong woman, had 336 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: the wrong children, had the wrong bills, had the wrong life, 337 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: and so he tried to create this almost parallel universe 338 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: where he was successful, where it was like kind of 339 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: kind of bankruptcy. How it kind of like gives you 340 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: a new chance to start over again. That's what he 341 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: considered these killings. It was a do over for him. 342 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: He was not happy in the reality he had created 343 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: for himself and these people he had, this woman he 344 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: had married, the kids that he created, they were just 345 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: in the way, and so he needed to get rid 346 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: of them. I mean, that's the thing with sociopath you're 347 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: really objectified to the point where you don't really exist 348 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: or matter. Clime stories with Nancy Grace, the girls in 349 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: beds weren't made. Janan was very ocd. Everything in her 350 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: house had a place, everything was labeled if something was 351 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. It was really out of the 352 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: ordinary for her. He does these interviews on Tuesday. What 353 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: did you think of his demeanor overall? Yeah, it was 354 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 1: very odd. He just was sitting there waiting for something 355 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: to happen. The last time I talked to him, he said, 356 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: I just want to cry, And I looked at him 357 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: and said, why aren't you interesting? You are hearing our 358 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: friends at ABC Nightline talking to Nicole Atkinson. Now, she 359 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: is the one that Shenan Watts had gone with on 360 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: a work trip. She brought her home around two am. 361 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: As soon as they touched down at the airport long 362 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: flight home. Little does she know that was the last 363 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: time she would see her friend Shenanne Watts alive listen. 364 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: Atkinson had seen Sheanan that morning around two am, she says, 365 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: dropping her off at home after returning from an out 366 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: of town business trip. She went inside, turned around and 367 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: waved at me and shut the door. But several hours later, 368 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: the thirty four year old mother of two isn't answering 369 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: her phone. She misses a doctor's appointment. Chanan was fifteen 370 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: weeks pregnant. She was going to get it here the 371 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: baby's heartbeat, see how he or she was doing. Growing Worried, 372 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: Atkinson says, she went over to their house. Things were 373 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: not how I would think that they were supposed to be. 374 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: I guess the front door was locked differently than it 375 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: normally was. I had my son to look in the 376 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: garage to see if her car was there, and it 377 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: was there, which was really peculiar because Shanan doesn't go 378 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: places without her car usually. Because both of the girls 379 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: are in Carson, you are hearing again the friend of 380 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: Schnan Watts, that is Nicole Atkinson talking to her friends 381 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: at ABC. Everything was off, but husband Chris Watts stuck 382 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: with the lie, stuck with the lie. And Joe Scott Morgan, 383 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: I really believe it was only when his neighbor called 384 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: him over and this is on video shows him the 385 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: video from his home surveillance and you can see Chris 386 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: Watts going in and out and in and out throughout 387 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: the morning and the day. And you never see Chanan 388 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: or the girls leave. You do see Chris Watts loading 389 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: stuff into his vehicle. And you can look at Chris 390 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: Watts in that video, the neighbor's home surveillance video, and 391 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: you see him. And now we're on the nanny cam 392 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: and you see Chris Watts watching the outdoor surveillance video 393 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: and he like holds his hands up to his face like, 394 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: oh my stars, I'm so busted. Explain it, Joseph Scott Morgan. Yeah, 395 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: And it's part and parcel of the bigger narrative here. 396 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: He thinks that he's got this thing planned, he thinks 397 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: that he's got, you know, all of his bases covered. 398 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: But when he least expected, you know, I guess in 399 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: a way that I've got is shining down upon him. 400 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: He has that come to Jesus moment where he is 401 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: literally in focus at that moment time, And boy, does 402 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: that picture telle a tale, doesn't it, Nancy? About the 403 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: reality that he's suddenly struck with. And it's really going 404 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: to come home to roost on down the tracks when 405 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: they begin to recover these bodies. You know, the thirty 406 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: four year old dad to Alexis Terrest shot water online 407 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: dot Com is so enamored with the coworker. According to 408 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: this author Catle, he tried to Cautionan to miscarry the 409 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: baby Nico by giving her oxy codon. Did you see that? 410 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: I did. I don't understand why he thinks that would work, 411 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: but that's that's what he told her. He said he 412 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: crushed it up and he tried to give it to 413 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: her and that would cause a miscarriage. So he was 414 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: plotting this murder for months and months basically as soon 415 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: as he met this other woman, and instead of divorcing 416 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: her just leaving her, he killed her and their two 417 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: little daughters. And now he's just talking about it, but 418 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: he has changed his story. I want to go back 419 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: to where he says the way that he killed her 420 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: from everything that the medical examiner said, you know, he 421 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: didn't have a trial. He pleaded guilty, but the medical 422 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: examiner described what happened. None of this matches up to 423 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: the evidence of what he did. There was no huge 424 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: fight or anything like that. According to medical examiner from 425 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: the trial, he basically snuck up behind her in bed 426 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: and suffocated her like that because of the side of 427 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: the bruising that was on her. Next he just keeps 428 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: changing his story to make it more gruesome and more disgusting. 429 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: It's almost like he wants more and more attention. He 430 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: doesn't want people forget about him. He wants to keep 431 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: talking about everything that he did to Whitney Patrick, California prosecutor. 432 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: I find this very very interesting. Again, the same thing 433 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: out of a playbook. He suddenly starts getting fit again. Okay, 434 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: he was a tiny, tiny pudgy. Suddenly he's working out, 435 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: He's taking pictures of his abs, he's getting tans, he's 436 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: showing off his tattoo, got a new haircut. Hello, Ding 437 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: ding ding. He's having an affair. If I found David 438 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: Lance taking pictures of his abs, I would do a backflip. 439 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: And I think we all know why. Wendy Fact yeah, 440 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, you bring up a great point. Circumstantial evidence 441 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: is often just as good as direct evid and sometimes 442 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: better when you don't know what the motive is for 443 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: somebody's subsequent conducts. It is true that these are telltale 444 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: signs that something else is going on on the side. However, 445 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: you can always imagine the defense in any case like this. 446 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: We'll come back and argue, you know, a lot of 447 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: people decide for the first time in their forties or 448 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: fifties to decide to get fit. But when you pair 449 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: that conduct with so much else that was going on 450 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't add up, and the facts that cannot be 451 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: corroborated that come from a defendant, that is exactly when 452 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: you notice that these science dub in fact pointed the 453 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: inevitable something on the side having an affair i e. 454 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: In this case and cases like it, motive for murder. 455 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: You know, according to this author, Sherilyn Catle, quote after 456 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: Christopher killed his family and drove away, NICKI text him 457 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: to look up the song by Metallica called Quote Battery. 458 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: I challenge you to look up the full lyrics of 459 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: this song. I find it interesting that we should believe 460 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: it's only a coincidence Alexa's Terrestchuck, it's very dark. They're 461 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: very dark lyrics. Lashing out the action, returning the reaction. 462 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: Weak are ripped and torn away, hypnotizing power, crushing all 463 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: that power. Battery is here to stay, smashing through the boundaries. 464 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: Lunacy has found me, pounding out, Aggression turns into obsession. 465 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: Cannot kill the battery, cannot kill the family. Battery is 466 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: found in me, crushing deceivers, mashing nonbelievers, never ending, potency hungry, violence, seeker, 467 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: feeding off the weaker, breathing on insanity. That's the lyrics 468 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: she sent him. Well, is that correct? I like this? 469 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean in the minutes after he murders his wife 470 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: and children, guess. And that's the thing. They had such 471 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: a bizarre relationship. Most people are sending like naked pictures 472 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: and love notes. Instead she's sending these violent lyrics. And 473 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: he had spent all this time trying to get rid 474 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: of his wife and telling her that everything was going 475 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: to be over, he was going to be with her. 476 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: How on earth could this woman think that it was 477 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: just gonna be Oh, I'm just gonna leave my wife 478 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: and my children. This was such He's such a violent 479 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: person that he and he hid this from so many people, 480 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: except this mistress is totally involved in the same thing, 481 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: sending these violent lyrics and living this fantasy lifestyle that 482 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: they were going to be together after his wife and 483 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: his girls just disappear. You know. Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, 484 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: I always say, there's no coincidence in criminal law that 485 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: she the lover would send him this in the minutes 486 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: after he murders his family. Yeah, it doesn't make any 487 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: sense at all. And you know, you just kind of think, 488 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: how in the world can any possible relationships survive a murder. 489 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: It's also interesting the Amber threat connection, and you wonder 490 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: how many other one of these and we could probably 491 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: discuss one each month where you have exactly this, a 492 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: pregnant wife and a mistress and somehow this belief sometimes 493 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: on both of their parts that there's going to be 494 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: some quality of relationship after this kind of a murder 495 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace, So he tells you everything's normal. 496 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: She's on a play date, yes, And you didn't buy that, no, 497 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: because Shanane, Like in my mind, I couldn't figure out 498 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: why she'd go on a play date without her car. 499 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: Atkinson says she tells what she's calling a police for 500 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: a welfare check, and that he says he'll meet her 501 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: at the couple's home. You knew even then his story 502 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: was not adding up. It wasn't making sense to me. 503 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: Sc My name's the Coal and I'm calling because I'm 504 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: concerned about a friend of mine. Um. I dropped her 505 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: off at her house at two in the morning last 506 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: night because we were out of town together and threw 507 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: all the way back from the airport and continue to 508 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: dontews and she's pregnant, and I haven't been able to 509 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: get a hold of her this morning. And I've gotten 510 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: to her house in her cards there and stuff like that, 511 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: but she won't answer the door. If she won't answer 512 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: phone calls, she won't answer text messages. And I'm just 513 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: really really concerned. Doctor appointment this morning and she didn't 514 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: go to and I don't know what to do. I 515 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: called him and talk to him and he said that 516 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: she went on a pretty date with her and their 517 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: two daughters. But I mean to Stephen Lampley, detective author 518 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: of Outside Your Door. You can find him at Stephen 519 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: Lampley dot com. Steve Lampley, Why is the friend having 520 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: to call on nine one one? Why not the husband? Lancy, 521 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: he didn't think. He didn't want to be discovered. Uh, 522 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's as far as why inside his mind. 523 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: I really don't have an answer to that. Uh. Maybe 524 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: he didn't want to be on the recording, and it 525 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: could be any number of reasons why. Perhaps he didn't 526 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: want to be the one to call. I think very 527 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: clearly to Joseph Scott Morgan, of course I agree with 528 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley on that. But just Scott Morgan death investigator, 529 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: an author of Blood Beneath my Feet, because the more 530 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: time that passes, the less likely the case will be solved, 531 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: The more likely the bodies will decompose, the evidence will 532 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: go stale, the traill will go cold. That's why he 533 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: didn't want to report her missing. He didn't want her 534 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: ever reported missing, and then the friend reports her. Yeah, 535 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right in that sense. And Nancy, going back 536 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: to the bodies of these little girls, he knew he 537 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: worked in the petroleum industry, He knew what was contained 538 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: in those and those storage drums that are out there 539 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: in that isolated area. And just so that our listeners, 540 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: your listeners understand, this is raw petroleum. This contains things 541 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: like taluween. As was mentioned earlier by Alexis, the bodies 542 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: had already begun to deglove. This shouldn't have happened in 543 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: this short period of time, but he knew because the 544 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: contents and chemical makeup of that stuff that was in 545 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: that drum, it would cause the bodies to begin to 546 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: rapidly break apart. It's caustic. Actually, taluween is something that 547 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: we use as a cleaning solvent, So it's nasty stuff 548 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: that he's involved in. And this is all part and 549 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: parcel of the bigger picture. He wants to put as 550 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: much distance between him and this horrible crime he's committed 551 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: as he possibly can, because in his mind he's thinking, 552 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to get away with this. I'm going to 553 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: get away with this. But seems like the universe had 554 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: other other you know. Answers to Alexis. Restaurant Raider online 555 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter who's been on the case. In 556 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: the very beginning, Chris Watts tells his author Sherlan Catle, 557 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: that his daughter, his murdered daughter, the little girl he 558 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: murdered quote, visited him and danced for him in his 559 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: prison cell, and that he had a phone conversation with 560 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: his dead Why he is telling these stories. He said 561 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: he had a dream that his little girl was dancing 562 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: next to his bed in his cell, and she was 563 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: dancing all around the chair. And then when he woke up, 564 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: papers that were on his chair started moving, and he 565 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: knew that that was her. And he said he was 566 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: so glad that she came to visit him, and that 567 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: he hoped that she would come and visit again. But 568 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: you know what he has said to this lady. He says, 569 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: you know, I am not mentally ill in any way, 570 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: shape or form, and so I'm not even going to 571 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: get tested to see if I'm mentally ill. And his 572 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,479 Speaker 1: own mother has spoken to this author and she said 573 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: she doesn't believe that he is mentally ill either, and 574 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: she doesn't think that he should be tested. He's had 575 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: no testing behind prison walls at all, but instead he's 576 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: having his little daughter visit. And he yes, and he 577 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: did say that she nan called him on the phone again. 578 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: These are dreams that he then feels are coming to 579 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: life when he's awake, and so it's just all this 580 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,439 Speaker 1: crazy talk and he's trying to say all these nice things, 581 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: and he has pictures of the girls up in his 582 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: cell and he misses them and he loves them, which 583 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 1: he certainly didn't do when he murdered them in cold 584 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: blood in their bed. And he actually said he had 585 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: to smother them twice because they woke back up. Absolutely 586 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: horrifying detail that I don't believe. He also says to 587 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: doctor Robbie Ludwig joining Us, author of Till Death Do 588 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: Us Part, Love, Marriage, and the Mind of a Killer's 589 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: Spouse on Amazon. He also says that quote God gave 590 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: him three chances to pull away from Nikki and not 591 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: murder her, but he Watts did not listen to the 592 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: voices you Now, I think Chris Wats just loves hearing 593 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: himself talk. Any opportunity to say something provocative, anything provocative, 594 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: just to be heard and to be the center of 595 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: attention is what's driving him right now. He is an 596 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: attention horror more than anything else. And so he knows 597 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: that he can say almost anything and he can get 598 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: a lot of attention, and it's really good attention, and 599 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: people are writing about him and maybe one day there'll 600 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: be a movie about him, and maybe some good looking 601 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 1: actor will him. I think this all has to do 602 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: with his GRANDIOSI more than wanting to reveal what the 603 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: truth is, you know, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor. According to 604 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: this author, SHERYLN. Cadle, who has spent hours and hours 605 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: and hours talking to Chris Watts behind bars, she says 606 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: that he described how he smothered his girls with the 607 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: pillows off their beds. And I don't know if you've 608 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: ever seen this, but both John, David and Lucy's bets 609 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: are covered with stuffies and pillows and all sorts of allergies, 610 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure, but only to have them wake up. He 611 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: then drove them with their dead mom's body in the 612 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: car to the oil field where he worked. He says, 613 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: I dumped sheanan on the ground. I wonder if that's 614 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: when she had cough and birth and actually gave birth 615 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: to the baby Nico. Then I walked back to the 616 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: truck and with the blanket Celestious holding, I put it 617 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: over her head and smothered her. He describes squeezing celestive 618 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: body through an eight inch hatch in one of the 619 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: oil tankers and quote, I couldn't believe how easily it 620 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: was just to let her drop through the hole and 621 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: let her go. I heard the splash as she hit 622 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: the oil. You know what this means to me, Wendy Patrick. 623 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: Not only is he gonna burn in hell, but if 624 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: he ever hoped to get a redo on his guilty please, 625 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: there are some reports that he now wants to get 626 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: rid of the guilty please and go to trial. It 627 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen because an appellet court, where this is 628 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: going to go, They're gonna take it up if he 629 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: tries to get a trial. An appeal is a guilty 630 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: pleay under God only knows what grounds. But the appellet 631 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: court is going to read all this. This is damning. 632 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: He is not going to get a trial. Yeah, you know, 633 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: a couple of great points made by your last guest 634 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: talking about grandy and the defendant wanting to hear himself talk, 635 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 1: but wanting to hear himself talk, paired with the grandiosity, 636 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: has created a record that an appeli court is going 637 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: to just absolutely crucify him with. Is what you would 638 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: imagine would happen were there ever any legitimate air quotes 639 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: grounds for appeal in a case like this. You know, 640 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: as I'm listening to the facts I'm listening to and 641 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: having this conversation, I'm thinking, at least a jury was 642 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: spared having to hear these facts and go home to 643 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: their own families just forever listening to the gruesome details. 644 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: There's not a single detail that was shared by the 645 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: defendant that is in any way omitigant. And that's important 646 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: because that's what you would need, one would think when 647 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: you go to the appellate process and deciding are there 648 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 1: any valid grounds for appeal? All of these facts are 649 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: being recited almost callously, matter of factly, without the level 650 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: of remorse you would expect if, in fact, he has 651 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: given his life to christ as this actress, as this 652 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: writer apparently has been trying to facilitate to Alexas Tresho 653 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: ritar online dot com, what is his life like behind 654 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: prison walls. Well, he's in a maximum security prison with 655 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. He actually got moved out of Colorado because 656 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: he is so well known and he has no interaction 657 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: with other inmates. He's in his cell. It's basically like 658 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: solitary confinement. He's in a cell twenty hours a day, 659 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: but he has access to the phone. He writes constant letters. 660 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: And then when he is visitors, now he's allowed to 661 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: spend time with them on the same side of the glass. 662 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: He's able to touch them, he's able to have them 663 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: bring him presents, as you said, outside food, and so 664 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: he's really leading a fairly well. I mean, how the 665 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: heck did he get a cheeseburger or potato ships? That's 666 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 1: what they can bring it in here, which I guess 667 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: they have to go through it with a fine tooth conel, 668 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: because you know, you could pine anything in a cheeseburger. 669 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: And but this is what every but he is doing 670 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: for him and he has really he must just be 671 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: such a charmer in real life. I can't see that 672 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: through the videos of him. He looks to me like 673 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 1: somebody that killed his wife and two daughters. But people, 674 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: these women that are all coming from all over the 675 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: country to visit him and write him and talk to 676 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: him have really fallen under his spell. He's really charmed them. 677 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, as Chris Watts cooperates with 678 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: a tell all memoir about himself, and as he battles 679 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 1: to get a new trial. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing 680 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: off Goodbye Friend,