WEBVTT - Snort Dance Fuck 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:08.600 Have you ever seen that? That me, that's Ginger Bell 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:13.840 getting sucked by a cockroach. No, no, I have to 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:18.520 have to show it. I'm scared. I'm really scared. Oh 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:22.840 my god. It's so much more emotive than I think. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.920 It's very romantic, it's very Yeah, this is giving. Like 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:37.560 Julia robertson Closer, Well, let's talk about Julie Rock. Let's 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.360 talk about Julia Roberts. No transition needed, Yeah, because this 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:45.600 is like a virgin and we are going to um 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.640 give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes. I'm Rosdamu and I'm 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:54.240 Fran Toronto. Anyone who has listened to this podcast knows 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:59.840 that Julia Roberts is very important to me personally and 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.760 I as well. She is mother, Um. She also once 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.160 started in a film called Mother's Day wearing a truly 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.040 horrible orange wig. And when she's not mother, she is sister, 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.480 and when she's not sister she is Auntie. Oh yeah, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.479 I have watched sometimes and said she was so aunt 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:22.240 for that. She was, she was so second cousin for that. Yeah, 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.800 she's in She's in Mother's Day, and she's also in Stepmother, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.360 which I did watch that plane step Mom, step Mom, Yes, 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.039 I did watch that on a plane recently. Very good. Um. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.800 I think I'm trying to think back and figure out 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:41.319 what my first encounter with the Julia Roberts was, and 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:49.480 I'm pretty sure it was my best friend's wedding, which 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.480 makes a lot of sense because my best friend's wedding 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:56.560 is my favorite Julia Roberts film. It's my favorite romantic comedy. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.400 It is one of my favorite movies. I would say, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:06.240 like top ten. Wow, okay, I um, I'm I honestly 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.080 only seen it one so I kind of want to 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:09.800 maybe we'll pin that and I want to know more 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.200 about my best friend's wedding. I will say true to 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.920 like the way I grew up. My first Julia Roberts 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.440 movie was Hook, where she plays tinker Bell. Oh wait, 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.560 maybe Hook was mine too? Really Okay, I just don't 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.959 think of Hook. It's because the role is so small 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.840 and yet literally she adds something to Tink that no 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.600 one else could. Like, there's a Julian is that like 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.680 is just so specific? Well, she's very sexy in it. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.200 She's well, okay, so here's the mean, this's a very 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.760 sexualized tinker Bell. You I would okay, So I would 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.359 actually wager this is like very theoretical just about Julia 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.760 Rolls in general. I would actually say that a Julia role, 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.920 whether it's tinker Bell, my best friend's wedding, Aaron Brockovich, whatever, 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.720 is a little less sexy and a little more gorgeous. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:03.079 Like she has an innocent not innocent. She has a 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.680 beauty that is quote unquote family friendly or like, she 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.840 has a beauty that I think fits into so many 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.880 different narratives, and she's able to get yes, she's able 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.920 to give sex appeal in a way that you know, 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.639 men watching will be like, oh my god, she was 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.919 so hot, and then people, you know, people that aren't her, 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.080 guys jerking off to Julia Robert. I think that's my point. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.679 It's like she doesn't give sex. I think I think 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.280 she gives romance. She's immediately romantic with everything. And it's 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.480 like you wouldn't think of Tinkerbell as a role that 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.040 would be romantic, and of course the way they wrote 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:35.840 it and also who they put in it, it's like 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.000 she's going to bring the love element, like the gorgeous 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.840 love infatuation, Like yeah, I don't know, but okay, hook 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.480 my best friend's wedding. What did you latch onto when 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.520 you first watch either of those with Julia Well, I 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.640 do remember thinking, well, I think this is a weird 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.960 thing about Hook in general, is that I, um like 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:02.120 the scene where Robin Williams um goes walks the plank 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.000 and the mermaids rescue him and breathe into his mouth. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.400 I found that very erotic as a child erotic, and 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:12.320 for some reason that's also tied into Julia Roberts when 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:17.560 tinker Bell becomes big and kisses um Peter pan Um. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:22.160 I also found that weirdly hot as a child. As 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.839 a child, it was wish fulfilment because like I I 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.200 for sure maybe like Peter Pan, I loved growing. I 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.200 mean it's so it's like, you know, obviously promedic, but 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.560 like as a kid, I love the cartoon Peter Pan 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.040 And like I as a kid who was kind of 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.440 love crazy, like like the idea of romancing tinker Bell, 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.440 like that was like wish fulfilm. And I think even 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.919 as a kid. So maybe we can go into my 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.640 best friend's wedding. I maybe you can induct me into 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.120 this movie. So okay, here's let me give a sort 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:53.080 of um a brief synopsis of My Best Friend's Wedding. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:58.839 UM So, My Best Friend's Wedding is a romantic comedy film. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:03.360 It's about Julia Roberts plays a food critic who I 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:07.120 forgot that she it's very important to the plot. Uh 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.760 not really, it's very important to her character. So she 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:15.479 plays a food critic who has this old friend from 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.040 college and they made a pact that if they reached 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.880 some arbitrary age, which now in my mid thirties looking 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.840 back on it is like so young. It's like twenty 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.480 nine or thirty years old. If they got that old 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.240 and never got married, they would marry each other. And 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.720 so Julia Roberts when she gets this call from her 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.479 old friend, is like, oh he he's like remembering the 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.320 bet and like there's still something between us. But actually 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.480 what he has to tell her is that he's getting 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:46.240 married to a like twenty two year old who is 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.200 played by Cameron Diaz, one of her best roles in 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:53.800 my opinion, And Julia Roberts decides that that's her man, 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.839 and she's going to go break up their wedding, and 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:02.159 she spoiler alert kind of does and then kind of doesn't. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.159 They do still get married, but I think this is 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.679 a radical rom com, especially for the time. In several ways, 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:15.599 Julia Roberts's character is very obviously the villain of this story. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.880 She is a bad person. She does bad things all 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:25.440 throughout the movie. She tries to get Dermott mulroney fired 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.479 from his job so that or or she tries to 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.760 like come but so Cameron Diaz. His parents dad is 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:38.000 like really rich and has offered um the Germott Maroney 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:42.240 a job, and like Julia Roberts tries to like just 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.479 like get between them, and she very she like is 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.080 the villain. She goes into this with the purpose of 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.479 breaking up their marriage and like, yes, she is the 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.360 protagonist of the film. But she's not a good person, 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:59.479 and I think this movie makes that very clear. And 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.240 she doesn't get well, she doesn't get the traditional rom 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:08.320 com happy ending that we are familiar with, because I 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:16.600 think in a softer movie, the the romantic lead would 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.400 break up with his girlfriend who would be like a 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:24.280 shrew or like some kind of horrible person. But Cameron 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.560 is genuinely like you root for her to yeah, oh yeah, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:34.840 she is like she is so magnetic and um, so 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:39.400 funny and so vulnerable and beautiful, and you understand why 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.520 this guy has fallen in love with her, and you 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.720 also understand why him and Julia would never work out. Yeah, 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.000 and I think you know, Julia is kind of a 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.560 perfect anti hero, like Julia coming in saying like it's me, hi, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.760 I'm the problem. But like also like um, and when 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.600 we're talking about like the Julia cinematic universe and the 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:03.440 roles she adopts, like she in xis kind of permeable 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.280 likability And I obviously hate that term, but like in 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.520 in this era of rom comes right like film exects 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.960 like are like women need to be likable, like we 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.880 need likable characters, likable blah blah blah, and like using 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.640 the word like likability as critique for like a character 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.040 is so like it actually has it just like doesn't 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:24.920 make sense as a critique and usually it's like thinly 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:29.680 veiled misogyny or like whatever. But Julia does embody this 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.720 like quintessential likability so that even when she's doing the 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:38.480 most deplorable things, you can't help but like love her character. Yes, 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:43.720 well what I think she has is and this I 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:47.079 really think is the thesis of this episode is that 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:52.559 Julia Roberts is one of our last movie stars exactly, 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.960 and that is what she has. It's it's not just likability, 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:00.839 it's she has star quality. Julia Roberts from an era 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.480 of movie stars that does not exist anymore. I don't 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.319 have them next to Angelina Jolie and you know, all 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.920 those classic A listers. And there is a reason not 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.120 to get to ahead of ourselves. Why her movie Ticket 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.480 to Paradise with George Clooney, which whatever you want to 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:22.280 say about it, was a huge box office success purely 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:27.960 because of the two star quality of the leads. What 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.000 what Julia Roberts has, going back to our drag race 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:35.280 conversation earlier, is charisma, uniqueness, nerv and talent. Actually say 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.680 that she is the star package. And that's why something 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.440 like my best Friend's Wedding, where I think if she 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.200 had been played by a different actress who didn't have 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.600 that real world connotation of being a movie star, of 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:53.480 being America's sweetheart, people would have been against her and 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.920 would have seen the way the movie ends as her 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.640 like getting her come up and rather than the ending 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.400 actually being in credibly sweet and pretty radical for the time, 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.720 because the way the movie ends is that you know, 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.640 this man that she's been trying to get marries this 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:12.320 woman and she is left alone at the reception and 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.080 her gay best friend comes and dances with her, and 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:21.760 it's like this very beautiful, like um instance of you know, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:26.640 like a chosen family moment in a straight asked nineties 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.120 rob car Yeah, and her as a movie starts. So 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.560 what you're basically saying is like if the kind of 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:36.480 Hollywood actress Pipeline was drag race, this current generation of stars, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.200 like the Emma Roberts so to speak, are giving Marsha. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.240 I don't know the Emma Roberts. I'm saying, Emma, Emma 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:47.240 Roberts is giving Marcia Marsha. Marcia, and Julia's giving mystress. 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.480 Julia is giving mistress. I would not. I would not 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:57.959 in anyways. Um I yeah, No, I tend to agree 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.520 with you. I think there's a there's a genisiqua about 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.160 like what Julia and people like Julia can do that 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.920 just like can't be done as much anymore. Well, because 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:08.199 you think about a lot of her early roles and like, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.760 even though she became known as a rom com queen, 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.680 her early roles were very sort of non traditional and 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.200 were the things that maybe would lead to an actress 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:23.920 usually getting pigeonholed, because like her first movie, if you 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.360 look at her filmography, what is it her first well, 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.680 I mean not her first movie, but like one of 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.360 her one of her big break performances was Pretty Woman, 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.360 in which she played a hooker. Yeah. And and I 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.560 think in that in that same vein like the women 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.120 that Julia tends to play are women that are, even 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.800 though she's dropped dead, gorgeous like that must be said, 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.640 women who are off the beaten path, women who are 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:52.920 emotionally complex, women who will not be beholden to their 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.600 you know, romantic um you know, co lead or whatever. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:01.640 Like she has this autonomy, this gumption, I think, um, 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.800 and this kind of like you know, laughy sexy resilience. Well, 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.240 I mean not even sexy as the iconic we smile 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.880 is iconic, you know what. I think the thing with 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.520 Julia is is that something that she does which I 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.959 think we don't like in other actors, which is that 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:25.440 she cannot disappear into a role. You always know, you 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.800 always know that you're watching Julia Roberts. But with where 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:33.400 with with other actors, that would be a negative with her. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.960 It's additive because you are so aware of who she 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:43.280 is and she is such a magnanimous, like um vivacious, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.360 vibrant presence. I r l that she brings that to 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.640 every role she plays, and she like fills it up. 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.440 So even though she's not doing some like fucking method 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.199 work where she's disappearing into a role and like making 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.200 herself look ugly, you wouldn't want her to do that 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:05.720 because that ineffable Julia Roberts thing that she brings is 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.800 why we love her and why we want to watch 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.360 it over and over again. Her playing different versions of 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.679 the same woman, which is just herself. That's what makes 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.160 her a star. And you know, I don't want to 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:21.320 talk about the Oceans franchise, but it is why in 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.319 Oceans I think twelve or whatever, it's so genius that 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:29.880 Julia Roberts. And did you see Oceans twelve. There's this 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.040 scene where she does she plays, you know, just a 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.680 woman she plays, you know, she's a character in this franchise, 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:39.760 and there's a scene where she pretends to be Julia Roberts, 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.319 and that and the fact that she can't disappear into 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.199 a role makes that element of the plot so doubly 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:52.120 triply funny. Yes, it's so. I thought it was so good. 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.280 But I also haven't watched Oceans in a really long time, 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.440 so I don't know how I would think about it now. Well, 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.000 it's also why she was kind of the only person 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:06.079 in who could play her role in notting Hill. I've 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:10.880 never seen. Okay, So I rewatched notting Hill recently for 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:15.520 the first time since when I originally saw it. Um, 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:21.600 which was like when it first came out, and it's 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.920 not a good movie. And I and you used to 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.520 used to love it, right, No I did not. Oh, 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.360 I thought you had told me to watch it before. 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:34.120 And so I like, I really love Richard Curtis, who 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.840 is the writer director behind Four Weddings in a Funeral 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:42.640 And like a lot of Grant's films, Um, notting Hill. 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.560 I don't think it's a very good movie having rewatched 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:51.560 it recently. But Notting Hill is about this bumbling English 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.880 guy played by Hugh Grant also doing this like Hugh Grant, 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.600 like is the male Julia Roberts. You know, he plays 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.080 the version of himself in all these movies and you 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.720 think Andrew okay, okay, continue, So he is this like 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.960 bumbling English guy who owns a travel bookstore, which is 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.560 a thing that used to exist when you could not 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.800 only own a physical bookstore, but one that only sold 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.560 one particular type of books. And it wasn't like why 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:23.760 a fantasy romance um And one day and erstwhile movie 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:28.600 star played by Julia Roberts stumbles into the bookstore. They well, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.200 actually they stumble into each other. He pours coffee over her, 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.760 takes her back to his apartment, and they fuck like 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:40.120 immediately and then have this little love affair. And the 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.880 only reason that movie works is because it's Julia Roberts. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:45.760 And you're like, oh, I believe that this isn't that 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.920 this is the biggest movie star in the world, because 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.120 she's being played by the biggest movie star in the world. Well, 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:55.440 Julia can push emotional steaks in any movie, right, It's 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.800 you know, It's so I maybe haven't watched enough Hugh 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.800 Grant movies. I really feel like George Looney is like 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.440 the male Julia Roberts, because I think Hugh Grant gives 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.920 a little more like kind of like mumblecore, kind of 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.680 Emma Thompson kind of like I don't know, I mean, yeah, 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.400 but you're not thinking about it's not because George Clooney 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:19.640 was a TV star on e Er then. Really the 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.040 biggest movies he ever made were the Oceans movies, and 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.720 those were like his big crossover moment. Hugh Grant was 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.360 the king of rom consent. He played the same version 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.160 of every character and all these rom coms, and he 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.120 ruled the nine in the same way that Julia Roberts did. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.560 And that's why, in a lot of ways, them coming 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.240 together in notting Hill was the perfect marriage of the 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.080 thing he did, which was star in all of these 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:52.040 British romantic comedies that were like very smart, very quick, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.080 uh like a little sad um, and then the thing 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:00.560 that she did, which was be the big Hollywood agastar, 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:05.000 you know, like with the iconic head of hair and 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.560 smile and laugh, and it was like on paper, the 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.840 perfect marriage of those things in the movie does work 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.600 because of them, it's just not a very good movie 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.240 and not a very good performance of hers um. I 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.840 think also because she's not playing exactly the kind of 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.760 actress she was. She's playing like a serious actress rather 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:30.920 than Julia Roberts. It's like not as maybe complex or 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.920 maybe it's just not as Julia or something. There's also 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.840 a scene where there's she goes to dinner with him 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.679 and his friends and they're sitting around the table a table, 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.879 all talking about why they deserve the last brownie and 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.680 the way that they win the game is like they 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:48.840 say how awful their life is, and like they all 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:52.520 tell their like sob stories. Um, Hugh grant sister who 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.840 uses a wheelchair like says something about how she like 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.200 can't have a baby or something, and then it comes 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:00.959 around to Julie rob She's like, well, I got all 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:05.160 you gaged because I'm famous and like my ex boyfriends 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.639 sell our stories to the tablets blah blah blah. And 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.400 it's like, oh no, baby, this is you actually still 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.159 have a pretty nice life. And it is kind of 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.640 funny because they're all like are like, okay, whatever, it's 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:34.760 not that bad, you know. It's like when you think 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.240 about like Julia Rolls and those like this era of 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.720 rom coms forget forgive me. I don't actually know all 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.840 of the chronology, but like it's kind of like Aaron 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.600 Brockovich like to me stands out in a sea of 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:52.040 Julia roles because it is romantic. It is part rom com, 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.280 but it's illegal drama where and she is the beating 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:59.480 heart and like primary character, you know, like she pushed. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.679 I mean that Aaron Brockovich is probably top ten for me. 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.880 I've only seen it once. What I will say from 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:12.640 what I remember is that I actually think that Julia's character, well, 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.359 I mean, obviously Aaron Brockovitch was a real person, but 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:20.760 the way Julia plays her, it's very similar to Vivian, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.520 the character she played in Pretty Woman, which is the 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.240 sort of you know, like down on her luck, can't 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.160 get any can't get anything right, can't get any luck. Yeah, 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.040 woman who like is used to being seen only as 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.280 a sexual object obviously, and like it's in a much 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.560 more like obvious way and Pretty Woman because she's playing 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.479 a sex worker, but it is something that she like 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.720 as her career progressed inn do a lot, which was 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.480 play like one of the people. Yeah, And in the 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.240 kind of I guess sexiness of Julia Roberts that we're 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.399 talking about in something like Aaron Brockovich or Pretty Woman, 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.520 her sexiness is like I hate using this word because 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.160 it sounds so loaded, but it's like non threatening. Does 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:03.760 that even make sense. No, I get what you mean 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.679 because even in so this like she's not sexy and 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.400 that blonde bob you know what I mean? Like, well, yeah, 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.280 because there's the scene in Pretty and listen, pretty Woman 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.280 is a perfect I I love Pretty Woman so much. 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:21.439 The first time I ever um went out um in 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.640 women's clothing. I won't say like drag because like that's 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.880 not what it was. Um. The first time it was 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.359 for Halloween my freshman year of college. I was Julia 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:38.679 robertson Pretty Woman in the blonde wig. Like that's because 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.879 to me that was like she was the tannacle of 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.640 feminine of like feminine beauty. To me, does that look 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.000 even though she looks so much better when she takes 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.399 the wig off, But that scene where she goes to 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.760 the hotel with Richard Gere and she like gives him 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.280 a blowjob where she's wearing that wig, it's like she's 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.119 not sexy, and I actually she give him a blowing 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.880 in that way. Yeah, she literally puts a pillow down 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.800 on the floor and sits at his knees, And like, 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.240 I think that's the point of the movie, is she 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.639 is not sexy. They're trying to communicate as much as 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.919 possible that this is someone who shouldn't be a sex worker, because, like, 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.440 I mean, it's obviously problematic because she's like quote unquote 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.840 better than that, and there's a lot of like like 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:30.000 it was, yes, it was literally it was made in 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:34.320 the eighties, but it's pretty transgressive for a romantic comedy 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:37.879 of that time to have the leading lady beat excuse me, 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.400 to have the leading lady be a sex worker. But then, 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.320 the one scene that I do think is actually sexy 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:49.160 in that movie is when she um Richard Gear has 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:53.320 gone down to the bar in the hotel to play 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.720 the piano, and Julie Roberts comes down in a bathrobe 0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:59.760 and Richard Gear asks all the guys who work at 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.720 the tell to leave the room, and he lifts her 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.760 up onto the piano and like opens the robe and 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.120 like puts his head in her stomach and like presses 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:14.440 her down into So it's so hot. So that's such 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:18.919 a good scene. I'm so erotic. It's erotic. Yeah, And 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.479 and I god, I can't believe you've only seen aer 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:23.720 Brock of wch once. I honestly feel like we could 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.840 do a whole episode on erin. But you know we 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:27.560 would have to bring Hunter Harris. I was just so 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:29.400 about to say, like we we I wish we could, 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:31.959 you know, pull out our Hunter Harris phone like allah, 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.359 like power Puff Girls like Hunter get here right now, 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.840 right now, because Hunter Hunter is you know, a noted 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:42.400 a scholar of Aaron brockoviciology. Um, but that movie is 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:47.320 I think encapsulates everything that Aaron Aaron, everything that juliacy 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.919 she disappeared into shell. Um. No, everything that you know 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.960 Julia does best in a movie which is like have 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:58.960 this insurmountable gumption and and and create this engine with 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.760 her face a own um and her hair, yes, and 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:06.199 her hair and all of course Julia Roberts is the 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:10.960 story of hair and her boobs as as Phoebe just 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.440 chimed in to say, yeah, um but yeah, I I 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:18.119 oh god, that movie Rose We have to rewatch because 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:22.760 it is a stunning film, amazingly written, great legal drama. Um. 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.480 Have you ever have you ever in your own life 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.119 how an Aaron Rockovich moment where you were fighting some 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.880 sort of bizarre legal drama, any sort of like did 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.479 you ever like go to get into housing law, you know, 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.639 were you over squatting? Did you ever have to in 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:39.440 your name change or something like that. I was thinking 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:41.560 about changing my name, but I don't want to know. 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.600 Changing my name was actually like a very smooth process. 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:47.960 It was really easy, and it does involve a lot 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.960 of bureaucracy, but like it's actually the closest I came 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.679 was when I went to get my name changed. So 0:23:54.720 --> 0:24:00.120 there is a requirement that you are supposed to publish 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:04.040 your name change in a newspaper. And actually, like this 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.479 is this is some t All the dolls in New 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.720 York do it in the Irish Times because it's like 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.000 the cheapest way you can do it. So it's just 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:14.040 funny for me to think that there's this like small 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:18.400 Irish newspaper that literally only exists so trans people get 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.760 published their their like name changes and it's just like 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.680 full of dead names. Oh my god. But when I 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:29.680 when I went to um City Court to do this, 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:34.240 what I said to the judge was I asked to 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:37.520