1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that? That me, that's Ginger Bell 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: getting sucked by a cockroach. No, no, I have to 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: have to show it. I'm scared. I'm really scared. Oh 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: my god. It's so much more emotive than I think. 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: It's very romantic, it's very Yeah, this is giving. Like 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: Julia robertson Closer, Well, let's talk about Julie Rock. Let's 7 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: talk about Julia Roberts. No transition needed, Yeah, because this 8 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: is like a virgin and we are going to um 9 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes. I'm Rosdamu and I'm 10 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: Fran Toronto. Anyone who has listened to this podcast knows 11 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: that Julia Roberts is very important to me personally and 12 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: I as well. She is mother, Um. She also once 13 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: started in a film called Mother's Day wearing a truly 14 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: horrible orange wig. And when she's not mother, she is sister, 15 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: and when she's not sister she is Auntie. Oh yeah, 16 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: I have watched sometimes and said she was so aunt 17 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: for that. She was, she was so second cousin for that. Yeah, 18 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: she's in She's in Mother's Day, and she's also in Stepmother, 19 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: which I did watch that plane step Mom, step Mom, Yes, 20 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: I did watch that on a plane recently. Very good. Um. 21 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to think back and figure out 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: what my first encounter with the Julia Roberts was, and 23 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was my best friend's wedding, which 24 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense because my best friend's wedding 25 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: is my favorite Julia Roberts film. It's my favorite romantic comedy. 26 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: It is one of my favorite movies. I would say, 27 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: like top ten. Wow, okay, I um, I'm I honestly 28 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: only seen it one so I kind of want to 29 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: maybe we'll pin that and I want to know more 30 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: about my best friend's wedding. I will say true to 31 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: like the way I grew up. My first Julia Roberts 32 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: movie was Hook, where she plays tinker Bell. Oh wait, 33 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: maybe Hook was mine too? Really Okay, I just don't 34 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: think of Hook. It's because the role is so small 35 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: and yet literally she adds something to Tink that no 36 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: one else could. Like, there's a Julian is that like 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: is just so specific? Well, she's very sexy in it. 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: She's well, okay, so here's the mean, this's a very 39 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: sexualized tinker Bell. You I would okay, So I would 40 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: actually wager this is like very theoretical just about Julia 41 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: Rolls in general. I would actually say that a Julia role, 42 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: whether it's tinker Bell, my best friend's wedding, Aaron Brockovich, whatever, 43 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: is a little less sexy and a little more gorgeous. 44 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: Like she has an innocent not innocent. She has a 45 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: beauty that is quote unquote family friendly or like, she 46 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: has a beauty that I think fits into so many 47 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: different narratives, and she's able to get yes, she's able 48 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: to give sex appeal in a way that you know, 49 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: men watching will be like, oh my god, she was 50 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: so hot, and then people, you know, people that aren't her, 51 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: guys jerking off to Julia Robert. I think that's my point. 52 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: It's like she doesn't give sex. I think I think 53 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: she gives romance. She's immediately romantic with everything. And it's 54 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: like you wouldn't think of Tinkerbell as a role that 55 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: would be romantic, and of course the way they wrote 56 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: it and also who they put in it, it's like 57 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: she's going to bring the love element, like the gorgeous 58 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: love infatuation, Like yeah, I don't know, but okay, hook 59 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: my best friend's wedding. What did you latch onto when 60 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: you first watch either of those with Julia Well, I 61 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: do remember thinking, well, I think this is a weird 62 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: thing about Hook in general, is that I, um like 63 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: the scene where Robin Williams um goes walks the plank 64 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: and the mermaids rescue him and breathe into his mouth. 65 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: I found that very erotic as a child erotic, and 66 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: for some reason that's also tied into Julia Roberts when 67 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: tinker Bell becomes big and kisses um Peter pan Um. 68 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: I also found that weirdly hot as a child. As 69 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: a child, it was wish fulfilment because like I I 70 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: for sure maybe like Peter Pan, I loved growing. I 71 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: mean it's so it's like, you know, obviously promedic, but 72 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: like as a kid, I love the cartoon Peter Pan 73 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: And like I as a kid who was kind of 74 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: love crazy, like like the idea of romancing tinker Bell, 75 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: like that was like wish fulfilm. And I think even 76 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: as a kid. So maybe we can go into my 77 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: best friend's wedding. I maybe you can induct me into 78 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: this movie. So okay, here's let me give a sort 79 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: of um a brief synopsis of My Best Friend's Wedding. 80 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: UM So, My Best Friend's Wedding is a romantic comedy film. 81 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: It's about Julia Roberts plays a food critic who I 82 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: forgot that she it's very important to the plot. Uh 83 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: not really, it's very important to her character. So she 84 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: plays a food critic who has this old friend from 85 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: college and they made a pact that if they reached 86 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: some arbitrary age, which now in my mid thirties looking 87 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: back on it is like so young. It's like twenty 88 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: nine or thirty years old. If they got that old 89 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: and never got married, they would marry each other. And 90 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: so Julia Roberts when she gets this call from her 91 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: old friend, is like, oh he he's like remembering the 92 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: bet and like there's still something between us. But actually 93 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: what he has to tell her is that he's getting 94 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: married to a like twenty two year old who is 95 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: played by Cameron Diaz, one of her best roles in 96 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: my opinion, And Julia Roberts decides that that's her man, 97 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: and she's going to go break up their wedding, and 98 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: she spoiler alert kind of does and then kind of doesn't. 99 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: They do still get married, but I think this is 100 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: a radical rom com, especially for the time. In several ways, 101 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: Julia Roberts's character is very obviously the villain of this story. 102 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: She is a bad person. She does bad things all 103 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: throughout the movie. She tries to get Dermott mulroney fired 104 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: from his job so that or or she tries to 105 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: like come but so Cameron Diaz. His parents dad is 106 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: like really rich and has offered um the Germott Maroney 107 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: a job, and like Julia Roberts tries to like just 108 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: like get between them, and she very she like is 109 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: the villain. She goes into this with the purpose of 110 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: breaking up their marriage and like, yes, she is the 111 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: protagonist of the film. But she's not a good person, 112 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: and I think this movie makes that very clear. And 113 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: she doesn't get well, she doesn't get the traditional rom 114 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: com happy ending that we are familiar with, because I 115 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: think in a softer movie, the the romantic lead would 116 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: break up with his girlfriend who would be like a 117 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: shrew or like some kind of horrible person. But Cameron 118 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: is genuinely like you root for her to yeah, oh yeah, 119 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: she is like she is so magnetic and um, so 120 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: funny and so vulnerable and beautiful, and you understand why 121 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: this guy has fallen in love with her, and you 122 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: also understand why him and Julia would never work out. Yeah, 123 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: and I think you know, Julia is kind of a 124 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: perfect anti hero, like Julia coming in saying like it's me, hi, 125 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm the problem. But like also like um, and when 126 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about like the Julia cinematic universe and the 127 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: roles she adopts, like she in xis kind of permeable 128 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: likability And I obviously hate that term, but like in 129 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: in this era of rom comes right like film exects 130 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: like are like women need to be likable, like we 131 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: need likable characters, likable blah blah blah, and like using 132 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: the word like likability as critique for like a character 133 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: is so like it actually has it just like doesn't 134 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: make sense as a critique and usually it's like thinly 135 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: veiled misogyny or like whatever. But Julia does embody this 136 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: like quintessential likability so that even when she's doing the 137 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: most deplorable things, you can't help but like love her character. Yes, 138 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: well what I think she has is and this I 139 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: really think is the thesis of this episode is that 140 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: Julia Roberts is one of our last movie stars exactly, 141 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: and that is what she has. It's it's not just likability, 142 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: it's she has star quality. Julia Roberts from an era 143 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: of movie stars that does not exist anymore. I don't 144 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: have them next to Angelina Jolie and you know, all 145 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: those classic A listers. And there is a reason not 146 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: to get to ahead of ourselves. Why her movie Ticket 147 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: to Paradise with George Clooney, which whatever you want to 148 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: say about it, was a huge box office success purely 149 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: because of the two star quality of the leads. What 150 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: what Julia Roberts has, going back to our drag race 151 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: conversation earlier, is charisma, uniqueness, nerv and talent. Actually say 152 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: that she is the star package. And that's why something 153 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: like my best Friend's Wedding, where I think if she 154 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: had been played by a different actress who didn't have 155 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: that real world connotation of being a movie star, of 156 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: being America's sweetheart, people would have been against her and 157 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: would have seen the way the movie ends as her 158 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: like getting her come up and rather than the ending 159 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: actually being in credibly sweet and pretty radical for the time, 160 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: because the way the movie ends is that you know, 161 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: this man that she's been trying to get marries this 162 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: woman and she is left alone at the reception and 163 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: her gay best friend comes and dances with her, and 164 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: it's like this very beautiful, like um instance of you know, 165 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: like a chosen family moment in a straight asked nineties 166 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: rob car Yeah, and her as a movie starts. So 167 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: what you're basically saying is like if the kind of 168 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: Hollywood actress Pipeline was drag race, this current generation of stars, 169 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: like the Emma Roberts so to speak, are giving Marsha. 170 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: I don't know the Emma Roberts. I'm saying, Emma, Emma 171 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: Roberts is giving Marcia Marsha. Marcia, and Julia's giving mystress. 172 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: Julia is giving mistress. I would not. I would not 173 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: in anyways. Um I yeah, No, I tend to agree 174 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: with you. I think there's a there's a genisiqua about 175 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: like what Julia and people like Julia can do that 176 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: just like can't be done as much anymore. Well, because 177 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: you think about a lot of her early roles and like, 178 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: even though she became known as a rom com queen, 179 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: her early roles were very sort of non traditional and 180 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: were the things that maybe would lead to an actress 181 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: usually getting pigeonholed, because like her first movie, if you 182 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: look at her filmography, what is it her first well, 183 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean not her first movie, but like one of 184 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: her one of her big break performances was Pretty Woman, 185 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: in which she played a hooker. Yeah. And and I 186 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: think in that in that same vein like the women 187 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: that Julia tends to play are women that are, even 188 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: though she's dropped dead, gorgeous like that must be said, 189 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: women who are off the beaten path, women who are 190 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: emotionally complex, women who will not be beholden to their 191 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, romantic um you know, co lead or whatever. 192 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: Like she has this autonomy, this gumption, I think, um, 193 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: and this kind of like you know, laughy sexy resilience. Well, 194 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean not even sexy as the iconic we smile 195 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: is iconic, you know what. I think the thing with 196 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: Julia is is that something that she does which I 197 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: think we don't like in other actors, which is that 198 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: she cannot disappear into a role. You always know, you 199 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: always know that you're watching Julia Roberts. But with where 200 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: with with other actors, that would be a negative with her. 201 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: It's additive because you are so aware of who she 202 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: is and she is such a magnanimous, like um vivacious, 203 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: vibrant presence. I r l that she brings that to 204 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: every role she plays, and she like fills it up. 205 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: So even though she's not doing some like fucking method 206 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: work where she's disappearing into a role and like making 207 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: herself look ugly, you wouldn't want her to do that 208 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: because that ineffable Julia Roberts thing that she brings is 209 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: why we love her and why we want to watch 210 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: it over and over again. Her playing different versions of 211 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: the same woman, which is just herself. That's what makes 212 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: her a star. And you know, I don't want to 213 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: talk about the Oceans franchise, but it is why in 214 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: Oceans I think twelve or whatever, it's so genius that 215 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: Julia Roberts. And did you see Oceans twelve. There's this 216 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: scene where she does she plays, you know, just a 217 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: woman she plays, you know, she's a character in this franchise, 218 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: and there's a scene where she pretends to be Julia Roberts, 219 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: and that and the fact that she can't disappear into 220 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: a role makes that element of the plot so doubly 221 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: triply funny. Yes, it's so. I thought it was so good. 222 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: But I also haven't watched Oceans in a really long time, 223 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: so I don't know how I would think about it now. Well, 224 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: it's also why she was kind of the only person 225 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: in who could play her role in notting Hill. I've 226 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: never seen. Okay, So I rewatched notting Hill recently for 227 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: the first time since when I originally saw it. Um, 228 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: which was like when it first came out, and it's 229 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: not a good movie. And I and you used to 230 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: used to love it, right, No I did not. Oh, 231 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: I thought you had told me to watch it before. 232 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: And so I like, I really love Richard Curtis, who 233 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: is the writer director behind Four Weddings in a Funeral 234 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: And like a lot of Grant's films, Um, notting Hill. 235 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a very good movie having rewatched 236 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: it recently. But Notting Hill is about this bumbling English 237 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: guy played by Hugh Grant also doing this like Hugh Grant, 238 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: like is the male Julia Roberts. You know, he plays 239 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: the version of himself in all these movies and you 240 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: think Andrew okay, okay, continue, So he is this like 241 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: bumbling English guy who owns a travel bookstore, which is 242 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: a thing that used to exist when you could not 243 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: only own a physical bookstore, but one that only sold 244 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: one particular type of books. And it wasn't like why 245 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: a fantasy romance um And one day and erstwhile movie 246 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: star played by Julia Roberts stumbles into the bookstore. They well, 247 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: actually they stumble into each other. He pours coffee over her, 248 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: takes her back to his apartment, and they fuck like 249 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: immediately and then have this little love affair. And the 250 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: only reason that movie works is because it's Julia Roberts. 251 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, I believe that this isn't that 252 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: this is the biggest movie star in the world, because 253 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: she's being played by the biggest movie star in the world. Well, 254 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: Julia can push emotional steaks in any movie, right, It's 255 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, It's so I maybe haven't watched enough Hugh 256 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: Grant movies. I really feel like George Looney is like 257 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: the male Julia Roberts, because I think Hugh Grant gives 258 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: a little more like kind of like mumblecore, kind of 259 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: Emma Thompson kind of like I don't know, I mean, yeah, 260 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: but you're not thinking about it's not because George Clooney 261 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: was a TV star on e Er then. Really the 262 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: biggest movies he ever made were the Oceans movies, and 263 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: those were like his big crossover moment. Hugh Grant was 264 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: the king of rom consent. He played the same version 265 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: of every character and all these rom coms, and he 266 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: ruled the nine in the same way that Julia Roberts did. 267 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: And that's why, in a lot of ways, them coming 268 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: together in notting Hill was the perfect marriage of the 269 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: thing he did, which was star in all of these 270 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: British romantic comedies that were like very smart, very quick, 271 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: uh like a little sad um, and then the thing 272 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: that she did, which was be the big Hollywood agastar, 273 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, like with the iconic head of hair and 274 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: smile and laugh, and it was like on paper, the 275 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: perfect marriage of those things in the movie does work 276 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: because of them, it's just not a very good movie 277 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: and not a very good performance of hers um. I 278 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: think also because she's not playing exactly the kind of 279 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: actress she was. She's playing like a serious actress rather 280 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: than Julia Roberts. It's like not as maybe complex or 281 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: maybe it's just not as Julia or something. There's also 282 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: a scene where there's she goes to dinner with him 283 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: and his friends and they're sitting around the table a table, 284 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: all talking about why they deserve the last brownie and 285 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: the way that they win the game is like they 286 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: say how awful their life is, and like they all 287 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: tell their like sob stories. Um, Hugh grant sister who 288 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: uses a wheelchair like says something about how she like 289 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: can't have a baby or something, and then it comes 290 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 1: around to Julie rob She's like, well, I got all 291 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: you gaged because I'm famous and like my ex boyfriends 292 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: sell our stories to the tablets blah blah blah. And 293 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: it's like, oh no, baby, this is you actually still 294 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: have a pretty nice life. And it is kind of 295 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: funny because they're all like are like, okay, whatever, it's 296 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: not that bad, you know. It's like when you think 297 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: about like Julia Rolls and those like this era of 298 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: rom coms forget forgive me. I don't actually know all 299 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: of the chronology, but like it's kind of like Aaron 300 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: Brockovich like to me stands out in a sea of 301 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: Julia roles because it is romantic. It is part rom com, 302 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: but it's illegal drama where and she is the beating 303 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: heart and like primary character, you know, like she pushed. 304 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: I mean that Aaron Brockovich is probably top ten for me. 305 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: I've only seen it once. What I will say from 306 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: what I remember is that I actually think that Julia's character, well, 307 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Aaron Brockovitch was a real person, but 308 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: the way Julia plays her, it's very similar to Vivian, 309 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: the character she played in Pretty Woman, which is the 310 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: sort of you know, like down on her luck, can't 311 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: get any can't get anything right, can't get any luck. Yeah, 312 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: woman who like is used to being seen only as 313 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: a sexual object obviously, and like it's in a much 314 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: more like obvious way and Pretty Woman because she's playing 315 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: a sex worker, but it is something that she like 316 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: as her career progressed inn do a lot, which was 317 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: play like one of the people. Yeah, And in the 318 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: kind of I guess sexiness of Julia Roberts that we're 319 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: talking about in something like Aaron Brockovich or Pretty Woman, 320 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: her sexiness is like I hate using this word because 321 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: it sounds so loaded, but it's like non threatening. Does 322 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: that even make sense. No, I get what you mean 323 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: because even in so this like she's not sexy and 324 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: that blonde bob you know what I mean? Like, well, yeah, 325 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: because there's the scene in Pretty and listen, pretty Woman 326 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: is a perfect I I love Pretty Woman so much. 327 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: The first time I ever um went out um in 328 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: women's clothing. I won't say like drag because like that's 329 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: not what it was. Um. The first time it was 330 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: for Halloween my freshman year of college. I was Julia 331 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: robertson Pretty Woman in the blonde wig. Like that's because 332 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: to me that was like she was the tannacle of 333 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: feminine of like feminine beauty. To me, does that look 334 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: even though she looks so much better when she takes 335 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: the wig off, But that scene where she goes to 336 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: the hotel with Richard Gere and she like gives him 337 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: a blowjob where she's wearing that wig, it's like she's 338 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: not sexy, and I actually she give him a blowing 339 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: in that way. Yeah, she literally puts a pillow down 340 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: on the floor and sits at his knees, And like, 341 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: I think that's the point of the movie, is she 342 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: is not sexy. They're trying to communicate as much as 343 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: possible that this is someone who shouldn't be a sex worker, because, like, 344 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously problematic because she's like quote unquote 345 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: better than that, and there's a lot of like like 346 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: it was, yes, it was literally it was made in 347 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: the eighties, but it's pretty transgressive for a romantic comedy 348 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: of that time to have the leading lady beat excuse me, 349 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: to have the leading lady be a sex worker. But then, 350 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: the one scene that I do think is actually sexy 351 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: in that movie is when she um Richard Gear has 352 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: gone down to the bar in the hotel to play 353 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: the piano, and Julie Roberts comes down in a bathrobe 354 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: and Richard Gear asks all the guys who work at 355 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: the tell to leave the room, and he lifts her 356 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: up onto the piano and like opens the robe and 357 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: like puts his head in her stomach and like presses 358 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: her down into So it's so hot. So that's such 359 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: a good scene. I'm so erotic. It's erotic. Yeah, And 360 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: and I god, I can't believe you've only seen aer 361 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: Brock of wch once. I honestly feel like we could 362 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: do a whole episode on erin. But you know we 363 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: would have to bring Hunter Harris. I was just so 364 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: about to say, like we we I wish we could, 365 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 1: you know, pull out our Hunter Harris phone like allah, 366 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: like power Puff Girls like Hunter get here right now, 367 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: right now, because Hunter Hunter is you know, a noted 368 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: a scholar of Aaron brockoviciology. Um, but that movie is 369 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: I think encapsulates everything that Aaron Aaron, everything that juliacy 370 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: she disappeared into shell. Um. No, everything that you know 371 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: Julia does best in a movie which is like have 372 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: this insurmountable gumption and and and create this engine with 373 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: her face a own um and her hair, yes, and 374 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: her hair and all of course Julia Roberts is the 375 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: story of hair and her boobs as as Phoebe just 376 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: chimed in to say, yeah, um but yeah, I I 377 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: oh god, that movie Rose We have to rewatch because 378 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: it is a stunning film, amazingly written, great legal drama. Um. 379 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever in your own life 380 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: how an Aaron Rockovich moment where you were fighting some 381 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: sort of bizarre legal drama, any sort of like did 382 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 1: you ever like go to get into housing law, you know, 383 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: were you over squatting? Did you ever have to in 384 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: your name change or something like that. I was thinking 385 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: about changing my name, but I don't want to know. 386 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: Changing my name was actually like a very smooth process. 387 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: It was really easy, and it does involve a lot 388 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: of bureaucracy, but like it's actually the closest I came 389 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: was when I went to get my name changed. So 390 00:23:54,720 --> 00:24:00,120 Speaker 1: there is a requirement that you are supposed to publish 391 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: your name change in a newspaper. And actually, like this 392 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 1: is this is some t All the dolls in New 393 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: York do it in the Irish Times because it's like 394 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: the cheapest way you can do it. So it's just 395 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: funny for me to think that there's this like small 396 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: Irish newspaper that literally only exists so trans people get 397 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: published their their like name changes and it's just like 398 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: full of dead names. Oh my god. But when I 399 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: when I went to um City Court to do this, 400 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: what I said to the judge was I asked to 401 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: have that requirement waived because at the time I was 402 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,239 Speaker 1: still a journalist, And what I said was, look, you know, 403 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: like my name is out online and is connected with 404 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: my dead name, so like they're kind of already exists 405 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: this public record. And also if something were to be published, 406 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: it might have like harmful consequences for me, just because 407 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: I am like on a very minor scale, like a 408 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: public figure or whatever. Did they and the judge did 409 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: waive the requirement so I didn't have to get it published. 410 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: So I did kind of have an Aaron Brockovitch moment. 411 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: I love. UM. I was mulling actually on my own 412 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: question and I can't I'll just I'll be extremely vague 413 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: because you know, the tea, but I can't actually like 414 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: fully talk about it. I somewhat recently, UM got a 415 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: service done. And this very recently UM went to go 416 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: do something, UM, who was highly recommended get a service 417 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: done by from someone who came recommended by a lot 418 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: of my friends. And this service was um botched for 419 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: lack of a better word, and UM it was. It 420 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: was very very difficult to go through because I actually, 421 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: you know, I don't believe in in our legal system 422 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: and I hate bureaucracy, and I also think that like 423 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: suing people is like white people behavior, and so I 424 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: just had to like go to this girl and be hey, UM, 425 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: what happened is not okay. And these are all the 426 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: ramifications that it now has on my life months out 427 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: from this experience. And I don't believe in suing people, 428 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: but I do believe injustice. And I need X, Y 429 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: and Z paid for. And I got five thousand dollars. 430 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: You did, I got five thousand dollars. Yes, I did. 431 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: I got five thousand dollars. And I let me tell you, 432 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: I had to send some email length texts in order 433 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: to get it, but I got it and um um 434 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: no through Zel And so there was there was a 435 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: written agreement, you know, there was some kind of you know, 436 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: there was some kind of Aaron Brockovichian elements. So I 437 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: felt very proud of myself though, and I also and 438 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: I also did it in a way that was not cruel, right, 439 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: Like I I said to this person, I was like, hey, like, 440 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: I don't wish ill on you. I'm not trying to 441 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: like malign your business like I you know, I just 442 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: one like to be well and I want my stuff 443 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: taken care of. So this is what it's going to cost. 444 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: Here is And I literally sent the invoice of all 445 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: of the things that I needed to pay for in 446 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: order to fix what had happened. Um yeah, good for you. 447 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: I think the only the only difference between our stories 448 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: and Aaron Brockovich is that she was doing this to 449 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: help other people. We were doing it to help myself. Yes, 450 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: but that was the beauty. It's such a it's a 451 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: very satisfying ending. I won't spoil it if you've never 452 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: seen Aeron Brockovich. But if you have never seen Aeron Rockovich, 453 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: it's a very old movie, you can spoil it. I well, 454 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 1: you can probably guess that she wins in the end, 455 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: But like, come on, that movie is perfect. We have 456 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: to rewatch as And it also is tied to the 457 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise because Erica Gardy's husband is the Aeron 458 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: Brockovich lawyer. Yes, oh my fucking god. I always forget 459 00:27:50,800 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: that movies that are not very good. I watched Love recently. Girl, 460 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: have you when was the last time you watched that movie? 461 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: I watched it once, like very long after, in theater. 462 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: I did not see it in theaters. I was not 463 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: part of the Eat, Pray, Love craze. I was the 464 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: only thing I remember about it is that the food 465 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: looked very good. I was basic mama, so I read 466 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: the book when it came out, like I studied Italian 467 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: diva like I went to Italy and I sat in 468 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: the exact booth that Julia Roberts sits in in the 469 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: best pizza place in Naples, and I took a picture 470 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: of me laughing like Julia Roberts. You know, it's probably 471 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: still on my Facebook. Um. I loved the Prey Love 472 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: is on the movie, you know, was like Ryan Murrafeed 473 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: But like I forgotten Viola Davis. Isn't that movie. I 474 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: totally forgot what the funk? And this is what that 475 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: movie gave us is um dog Days are over by Florence. 476 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: The machine was used in the trailer and that is 477 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: kind of the reason why Florence blew up in the 478 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: way she did. What really? Wow, I actually didn't know that. 479 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: And this was also which was the year of James Franco, 480 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: and James Franco was in that movie. And god, that 481 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: movie just was not very good. But I do that said, 482 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: I do want to watch. I do want Ryan Murphy 483 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: to direct more films. Ryan Murphy doesn't need to be 484 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: doing anything else, anything more than what he's already doing. No, 485 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: I think you should do films instead of TV, because 486 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: I think that a contained story is his strong suit. 487 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: I think like you know series, like they always get 488 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: away from him because he's usually not even like working 489 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: across them. Um, have you ever you pray loved? What 490 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: was your bolly? Was it Berlin? Have I ever eat 491 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: pray loved slash? What it? That really just means is like, 492 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: have you ever like I mean, like flown internationally with 493 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: a kind of um vague existential slash romantic driven like life? Um? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 494 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: I I guess I would say that, you know, like, um, 495 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: the first summer I spent in Berlin, I know, but 496 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: it was it was more of a um it was 497 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: a snort dance fuck that yeah mine? Okay. I I 498 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: studied abroad in London, and I'm very sorry for that sentence. 499 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: Um I and that was probably my e pray love. 500 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: But mine was not wait what did you say, snort 501 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: snort dance fuck, snort dance fuck. Mine was not snort 502 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: dance fuck. It was more like eat eat social anxiety 503 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: like it. But you but you went for an academic purpose, 504 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: So I don't actually think that fulfills the requirement. Love 505 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: is like you're abandoning your life to do something that 506 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: is purely for pleasure. So let me embellish I did 507 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: abandon my life. I was at a university at Indiana 508 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: that I hated. I had chased my friend there, and 509 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: I you know, hated studying there. I wanted to get 510 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: out as as soon as humanly possible and not spend 511 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: any more time in Indiana. I was sick of most 512 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: of my friends. I was sick of the curriculum, and 513 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: I was like I had to un enrolled from my 514 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: like university in order to take this like research class 515 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: at University College London that wasn't even like you know, 516 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: endorsed by like my my school. And so I really 517 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: did go out of my way to like have like 518 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: a kind of find myself moment. And this was also 519 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: very important probably for you as well as pre iPhone. 520 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: So there's a way more like I mean, this is 521 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: probably I mean I don't know if this was for 522 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: you because of the drugs, but like there's so much 523 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: more um stuff going on inside of you when you 524 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: don't have an iPhone, Like there's so much more inner 525 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: You have so much more of an inner life. You're 526 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: thinking so much more about yourself and your interiority. I mean, 527 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: when I was doing the most drugs, I still had 528 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: not oh okay, um so, but to that effect, when 529 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: I did study abroad in London, I was is traveling 530 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: every single weekend by myself. So I went to Italy 531 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: by myself, I went to France by myself. I went 532 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: to all these different countries, book festivals, a Robin concert, 533 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: like all this different stuff, searching on my own for 534 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: like the meaning of life, you know, like I was looking. 535 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't even looking for love. I was looking for 536 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: for meaning out of my life, which is like, even 537 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: though this E pray love is not very good, it 538 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: is why I pray love was like such a mega thing, 539 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: is because it was able to tap into this like 540 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: white womanhood that I unfortunately was very adjacent to, um 541 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: where and it's like all these there's a whole class 542 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: silver hair. Yes, no, no, no no, actually this is pre 543 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: silver hair. But I had self died a strip of 544 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: my bangs with bleach and so and I have black hair, 545 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: so it was like straw yellow. Yeah. So, but that 546 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: I did have a straw yellow strip in a very 547 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: long Rihanna esque bang because it was inspired by Rihanna 548 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: and her hair at the time. Um but yeah, that 549 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: was my that was my prey love. So if you 550 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: were going to do and Eat Pray Love. Now what 551 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: would it be? Where would you go? Very good question. Um, 552 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: my instinct is maybe to say Mexico. I would love 553 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: to do a Mexico tour because I haven't properly explored 554 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: a lot of different cities throughout Mexico that all of 555 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: my friends say are like cultural hot spots and nightlife 556 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: hot spots that I'm like always you know, been adjacent to, 557 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: have like followed artists and creators on Instagram that you 558 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: know makes stuff there. I feel like I have another 559 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: one that maybe will come to me. What would what 560 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: would you say? Well, so I actually was thinking of 561 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,479 Speaker 1: going to Italy. I like was literally looking into booking 562 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: a trip to Italy next month. I haven't I need 563 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: to get off this continent international have not. I have 564 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: not traveled internationally since pre covid Um, and I've never 565 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: been to Italy. I've spent a lot of time in 566 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: Europe and I have almost gone to Italy a couple 567 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: of times, but I always said I didn't want to 568 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: go just for a couple of days. I really wanted 569 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: to do like a big Italy trip. But I actually 570 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: think my Eat Pray Love is also a mom and 571 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: me a moment. I need to go to Greece. Oh, 572 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: Greece would be really good. Oh I could see that 573 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: for you. Like I just want to go um and 574 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: forget all my responsibilities and I just want to like 575 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: go travel and eat and fuck and see ruins and 576 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,879 Speaker 1: art and go swimming in the Aegean Ce and like 577 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: you know whatever. You know, I've never been to Berlin. 578 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I should. Maybe Berlin it is my eat 579 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: pray love. Yeah, but okay, this is what this. The 580 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: thing is why I don't think that can be and 581 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: eat prey love for you is because you will still 582 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: find a way to turn that into an approximation of 583 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: your life. Here. You will still find, you will find friends, 584 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: you will network, you will check your email, you will 585 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: see all these caustle. I'll be there and probably the 586 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: same week that a bunch of drag friends are there. 587 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: I I think for you to do a true e 588 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: pray love, you need to go somewhere where you don't 589 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: know anyone and just figure it out. I agree, And 590 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: you should throw your iPhone into the ocean. I'm not 591 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: going to do that, because then how would I go 592 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: on TikTok and find, you know, like the best place 593 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: to go for dinner or whatever. Um, okay, so zooming 594 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: out of this Julia convo, like what is what is 595 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: Julia now? Like I feel like she's among these celebrities 596 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: that are in press junkets being like there are no 597 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: more stars anymore, like when Jennifer Aniston said in that 598 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: a lower intervition that there and like I said before, 599 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: that's the reason why Ticket to Paradise, which we will 600 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: saw wasn't very good but still was a huge, huge 601 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: commercial hit, because those are the last movie stars. Like 602 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: can you name one, like a new IFH celebrity who 603 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: is a movie star? No? You can't. Well, I just 604 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: don't think. I mean, I I think there are tons 605 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: of um new celebrities that are, yes, but but a 606 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: celebrity is different than a movie star. I do think 607 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: that there are people that come into this generation of 608 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: movies and yeah, I would absolutely say they are movie stars, 609 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: but they're not going to be movie stars like Julie 610 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: Roberts ever again. And I think that that's part of 611 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 1: Like I think it's like I personally like mourn this 612 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: era of movie stars, but also know that like pop 613 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: culture written large, especially in movies is always shifting into 614 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: something that kind of it can reference the past, but 615 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: it's never gonna go backwards. And so what I'm kind 616 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: of thinking about, and maybe you can like noodle on 617 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: it with me, is like, if we can never get 618 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: Julia Roberts again, because we can't, like what, who are 619 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: the new people that inhabit the same um spaces as 620 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: Julia that make us feel the way Julia makes us 621 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: feel on screen, Like I'm trying to think of, like, well, 622 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: it's also about a business thing, because the thing about 623 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: the movie star is that like why they exist and 624 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: why they're they don't exist anymore, is a movie star 625 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 1: as someone who can sell them a movie purely by 626 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: being in it. That's why Ticket to Paradise was such 627 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: a huge success, not because I had like an interesting 628 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: premise or a good trailer or anything. It was Julia 629 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: Roberts was in it, Cluney was in it. People were 630 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: buying tickets, That's it. So that's why I think, like 631 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: the closest thing we have to a movie star now 632 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: who's like currently making movies would be someone like the 633 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: rock I don't know, not interesting, not even like if 634 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: you think about, like what are the biggest movies now 635 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: Marvel movies. None of the people in them are movie stars, 636 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: you were not like what movies outside of Thor is 637 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: Chris Helm's worth making or Paul Rudd. They are not 638 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: selling movies on their name alone. They're part of a machine. 639 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: We're actually them as people are secondary to the characters 640 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: they're playing. Like I would argue that the famous person 641 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: is not Chris Hemsworth, it's Thor and he is part 642 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: of a machine. Even someone like Chris Evans, who like yes, 643 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: has done things like knives out like he is famous 644 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: because of his proximity to the franchises he stars in. Yeah, 645 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: I think the Rock. I think the Rock, and like 646 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: this like Marvel Universe thing is like totally accurate. I 647 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: also think that maybe in a different version of this idea, 648 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: I think part of the stars that could maybe do 649 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: something that Julia does are the ones that are like 650 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: as not online as possible. And I think that honestly, 651 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: you know, this is stupid, but like Timothy shelle may 652 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: or like or like Florence Welch, Florence Welch, Florence Pew 653 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: are like I mean, now that she's had that, don't 654 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: worry Darling Junkett. It's like that the mysticism has gone now, 655 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: but like Florence Pugh could have been that girl, you know, 656 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: like they're are just that are classically like there. Maybe 657 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say, because I don't really know 658 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: if what I'm saying is accurate, but it's like there's 659 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: a kind of attention to acting and everything they do 660 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: and a focus on the acting that you know protects 661 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: them because they're not on social that much, and so 662 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: we're able to bring our opinion of how much we 663 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: love this celebrity, like a Timothy. It's like I'm going 664 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: to go see a Timothy movie no matter what. That's 665 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: not necessarily true, but there are a lot of people 666 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: where that is true for them. That's kind of maybe it. 667 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, I do. I do think someone like 668 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: Timothy is the closest thing we have to a contemporary 669 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: movie star. But I do think you're right and that 670 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: social media um keeps us from being able to abstruct 671 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: the person from the persona and or or maybe there 672 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: is a lack of I mean, it's funny because we 673 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: were talking about this in our episode with Harry Enough. 674 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: There is a lack of mystery around these celebrities. And 675 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 1: I think that's why we don't have the movie star 676 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: of at all, because Julia in her heyday felt larger 677 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: than life in a way that celebrities simply aren't now. 678 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: And but even though Julia was a huge tabloid figure, 679 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: but her she only existed to us either in the 680 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: films we were seeing, or on the red carpets, on 681 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: the cover of magazines, or in the tabloids where we 682 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: were getting the most sensationalized parts of her personal life, 683 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 1: like Aloe Vera, which I think I told you about 684 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: on the podcast before. Okay, so this is I mean, 685 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: like very juicy um celebrity celebrity tabloid gossip. So Julia 686 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: Roberts um fell in love with this guy who was married. 687 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: I think he was maybe like a director, like worked 688 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: on a film or something that she worked on, and 689 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: he was married to this woman named Vera, and Vera 690 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: would not divorce him. And so Julia Roberts went out 691 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: in public wearing a T shirt that she had made 692 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: herself on which she wrote a low She wrote al Vera. 693 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: But it was like she was saying a low Verra, 694 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: like like Vera was a low person or it was 695 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: just like it was like stupid, but it was also 696 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, Like Julia Roberts is kind 697 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 1: of a mean person. There actually, how are several stories 698 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,479 Speaker 1: about her having like run ins with the paparazzi where 699 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: she has told them off and like, which we won't entertain. Yeah, 700 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: I mean that's not being that's not being mean, Like 701 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure like being Julia Roberts comes with 702 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: so much and the way she's hounded by the press 703 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: and has been for almost her entire adult life, like 704 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: will never be able to understand that. But what I'm 705 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,439 Speaker 1: saying is that Julia Roberts is not someone who ever 706 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: gave unfiltered access to her life in the way that 707 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: celebrities kind of have to do now, and so because 708 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: of that, I think that turned her into a bigger 709 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: and more mysterious and more magnetic figure that was like 710 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: so separate from us in a way that celebrities now 711 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: like think they need to be super connected to their fans, 712 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: and maybe they do, But you know, Timothy Shalamay, who 713 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: is I do think you're right, like the closest thing 714 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,280 Speaker 1: we have currently to and sendea, but like they still 715 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: are they have social media and Mary there maybe not 716 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: very online, but because they're definitely I think Zindia is 717 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: an elusive Timothy is elusive, but they're definitely online. They're 718 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,800 Speaker 1: definitely online, I mean, and they're social media like truly 719 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: only exists as a way to promote their projects. But 720 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: there's still something where like you you can reply to 721 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: one of Timothy's instagrams. He's never going to see it, 722 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: but you can still do it. And like you can 723 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: get Julia Roberts would never you could never get you. 724 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: You can't. You can't engage with her. That is that 725 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: is it. It's you. I mean, it's not even that 726 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: it would ruin it. It's like you. It's not possible. 727 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: It's not, it never has been, it never will be. 728 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: You were, you will. The closest you could ever come 729 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: to Julia Roberts is like if you went to the 730 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 1: premiere of one of her movies and stood on the 731 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: side of a barricade and watched her walk and screamed her. 732 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: That's the closest you would ever get. Timothy Sham I've 733 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: hugged him twice, Okay, say that you always say that 734 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: because I have and I will and I will continue, 735 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: I will get a third hug in, and when it happens, 736 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: I'll whisper in his ear. This is the third time 737 00:43:49,560 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: we've thought slide intowards MS and tell us what your 738 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: favorite Julia Roberts role movie is. UM, who's your favorite 739 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: movie star? Do you think there are contemporary movie stars? 740 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: We want to hear your opinions. UM, let us know 741 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: At Like a Virgin, Please rate and review us on 742 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: Spotify and Apple podcasts. It really helps us out. My 743 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: name's Rose Damn You. You You can find me anywhere online 744 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: at Rose Damn You. 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