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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: It's hour two. It is a Tuesday. It's great to

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Speaker 1: be here today. I've said this before. I've been very

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Speaker 1: very lucky. I've had really good uh management around me

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Speaker 1: for my entire life. For about a year and a

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Speaker 1: half two years in Tampa, I did not It was

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Speaker 1: a circus and.

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Speaker 3: That was the worst two years of my career.

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Speaker 1: So I've always and I probably took it for granted

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Speaker 1: in Vegas or Portland, but but but I you know,

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Speaker 3: At Fox has been great iHeart. So I've been very

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Speaker 3: very fortunate.

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Speaker 1: But when you get bad management, which I had for

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Speaker 1: about two years in Tampa where and I've told the

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Speaker 1: stories a couple of times, there's a couple of them

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Speaker 1: that are just absurd, you really notice and really appreciate

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Speaker 1: good bosses and so I had very good I had

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Speaker 1: very good teachers in high school. I had a couple

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Speaker 1: of great college professors. I've I've been lucky. I've had

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Speaker 1: a lot of good mentors surrogate like almost dads in

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Speaker 1: my life, my coaches, So that that's a big part

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Speaker 1: of it. And it's funny. So Netflix has this new

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Speaker 1: show called America's Team and Emmett Smith is saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've had a real drought in Dallas, and he kind

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Speaker 1: of lets Jerry Jones off the hook.

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Speaker 3: Here's the bite.

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Speaker 4: But Jerry never called it pagents. Okay, he never ran

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Speaker 4: the ball and he d throw them right. So at

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Speaker 4: some point players got to take a little ownership of

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Speaker 4: what they've been trained and what they've been taught to do.

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Speaker 2: We had to do it, I said.

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Speaker 5: We went back to backs clothes, and then we lost

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Speaker 5: that leader and we was in.

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Speaker 3: Disarray for a year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I totally disagree if I said to you, here,

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Speaker 1: here's seven or eight teams that are just losing franchises,

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Speaker 1: the Jets, the Raiders, Cleveland, Carolina, Chicago, and Washington with

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Speaker 1: Dan Snyder. What do they all have in common? Do

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Speaker 1: they all always have bad coaches? No, No, it's shaky ownership.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Bengals. It's almost impossible in the NFL

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Speaker 1: to have a top five quarterback and not make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals did that last year. It wasn't on Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 1: It's why I always support Zach Taylor. He's not Andy Reid,

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Speaker 1: he's not Jim Harbaugh. I'm gonna support him. They have

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Speaker 1: the smallest scouting department. They may still in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: so to me, it's I mean, think about this. The

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Speaker 1: could not make the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: That's because the baseball franchise up I five called the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers is much much better run. It's not all about money,

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Speaker 1: research and development, scouting. It's just a better organization. So

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Speaker 1: when Jerry Jones empowered to coaches Bill Parcells early, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Johnson early, they won super Bowls.

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about this.

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Speaker 1: In a passing league, the Bengals had a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: led the league in passing, a receiver that led the

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Speaker 3: In sacks, and they missed the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible when fourteen of thirty two teams make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: So you know, again you can say Zach Zach Taylor, Okay,

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Speaker 1: something right, all right with that Nick Wright. First things,

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Speaker 1: first weekdays at three East. So I'm in a weird

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Speaker 1: space with Sheduer Sanders. So you know, so it'd be

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Speaker 1: like I'm really I like the traits. But I said yesterday,

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Speaker 1: if your traits aren't mahomes Alan Lamar, then you better

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Speaker 1: be good at the other stuff, the other thirty thirty

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Speaker 1: said the NBA, you don't have to be a great

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't be hardened and be atrocious. Same thing here.

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Speaker 1: Traits are seventy percent of the league, but you have

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Speaker 1: So I am back and forth on Shador, but I

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Speaker 4: Like, see, so I didn't. I didn't. So here's the deal.

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Speaker 6: I actually think you and I were in a similar

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Speaker 6: and then I'll get to the radio guy. Okay, So

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Speaker 6: I think you and I both before the draft said

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Speaker 6: he was going to fall the way he did, So

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Speaker 6: there's that part of it. Then, I don't think you

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Speaker 4: In the NFL.

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Speaker 6: But when he ends up on a team with the

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Speaker 6: oldest quarterback in the league in Joe Flacco, with Kenny Pickett,

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Speaker 6: who is not an NFL quarterback, and in fact, when

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Speaker 6: you have Mike Sando on in an hour, ask him

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Speaker 6: about Kenny Pickett maybe being the first player in the

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Speaker 6: Tier five, this year for Sando was just Kenny Pickett.

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Speaker 6: It's the saddest thing I've ever seen. He has no friends,

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Speaker 6: looks eye to eye with Kyler Murray literally, Then all

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Speaker 6: of a sudden, it's like, well, Shador might be a

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Speaker 6: last year was like that kid, that's a franchise NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 6: So you then add to it that I think Shador

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Speaker 6: think that's in conflict with your previous opinions. There's twenty

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Speaker 6: eight teams in the league where Shador would not be

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Speaker 6: There's that now, the Tony Grosie thing. Colin, listen, I

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Speaker 6: know it has been years since you had to go

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Speaker 4: But we know that is not uncommon.

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Speaker 6: The athlete going up to the loudmouthed radio guy and

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Speaker 6: being like, Hey, what I.

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Speaker 5: Do to you?

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Speaker 6: I remember twelve years ago, I don't know, I guess

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Speaker 6: Matt Castle saying to anyone who would listen in my vicinity. Hey,

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Speaker 4: And this is just a reality of life.

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Speaker 6: Never underestimate the power of charisma or a great smile

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Speaker 6: like that Tony Grossy Chadoor interaction reads not great, but

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Speaker 6: five thousand watts smile in the laugh at the end,

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Speaker 6: it seems like it's okay. So I had no problem

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Speaker 6: did just turn forty, so I'm becoming a curmudgeonly old

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Speaker 4: But I thought he played well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: So I said, almost everybody played this weekend, Mahomes Burrough Tua.

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Speaker 1: And my take was standalone, Bear's Dolphins. Ben Johnson's like,

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Speaker 3: It means the engineering staff's a little behind.

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Speaker 1: My take is Caleb is creating a little bit of

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Speaker 1: drama where it's like, listen, do we want another nine

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Speaker 1: We're asking him to do stuff under center, and it

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Speaker 6: I think you have gone swung the pingdum a little

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Speaker 6: too far on the calyb stuff.

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Speaker 4: If I'm being honest, I think you have the.

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Speaker 6: Are a little too pessimistic at this point after admittedly

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Speaker 6: you and I were both probably a little too optimistic last.

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Speaker 4: Year, but I listened. I would if I were running

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Speaker 6: Team, I would simply say, hey, what does Andy Reid

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I'll do that because the Chiefs start every year off

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Speaker 6: is out their first preseason game and they have tough practices.

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Speaker 6: But the second best in my opinion, coach in football,

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Speaker 6: Sean mcvagh does the opposite, So there clearly isn't just

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Speaker 6: one way to go about it. I would be more

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Speaker 6: also should be noted the entirety of the Bears starting

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Speaker 6: their top three wide receivers SAT. So of course Caleb

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Speaker 6: is going to sit now. He does need to play

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Speaker 6: probably more snaps now in week two than they otherwise

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Speaker 6: would have. And is this Ben Johnson protecting Caleb? Is

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Speaker 6: this Ben Johnson protecting himself? Is this Ben Johnson simply saying, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we're not exactly where I want us to be yet,

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Speaker 6: but I think there's no harm in waiting an extra week.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you this, much like everybody loves Drake May,

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Speaker 6: even though you can't find the stat the number the

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Speaker 6: game where Drake May was better than Caleb last year,

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Speaker 6: Drake May got five through five passes in Week one.

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Speaker 6: One of them was backwards over his head to the

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Speaker 6: or bad that Caleb didn't have that moment? I'm not

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Speaker 4: I'm happy for him and his family. He got paid.

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Speaker 6: You know, how impressive is it really to go to

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Speaker 9: Ah, Yes, it's time Colin for the Cincinnati Bungles, let's

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Speaker 9: about it. In a recent interview, Higgins said that he

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Speaker 9: rejects the narrative that the team gets off the slow

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Speaker 9: starts and says the biggest thing is just the team's

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Speaker 9: executing in all three phases of football. Well, you know

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Speaker 9: te men will lie, women lie. The numbers they don't lie.

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Speaker 9: Let's get them on the screen. Joe Burrow in the

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Speaker 9: last two seasons starting slow period, like, there's no denying it.

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Speaker 9: Look at this in September. He has been wretched. The

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Speaker 9: offense has been futrid. The rest of the way. The

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Speaker 9: numbers go significantly up. So I know t Higgins doesn't

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Speaker 9: want to hear it, but Colin, that's a fact.

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Speaker 8: The Bengals slow starts have really hurt them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when your boy, when you put those numbers

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Speaker 1: on the screen, I'm not going to read all of

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Speaker 1: them for our radio audience, but it is like a

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Speaker 1: backup against the superstar quarterback, like he is so good

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Speaker 1: October first on. I mean, his completion percentage is seventy

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Speaker 1: one percent, forty nine touchdowns, twelve picks and really mediocre

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Speaker 1: early and again I always think it's something to do

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Speaker 1: with injuries. Joe doesn't want to get banged up. I

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Speaker 1: don't really have an answer for it. Usually offensive coaches,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Andy Reid's best month was September for years

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Speaker 1: and years. I always feel like offensive coaches spend the

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Speaker 1: offseason drawn up new stuff, right, Defensive coaches don't, right

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Speaker 1: that that's not what they do. Belichick's worst month was

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Speaker 1: always September. He's experimenting with personnel. So it is odd

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Speaker 1: to me that Zach Taylor, who is a disciple of

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay.

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Speaker 3: Mcvay's a good September coach.

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Speaker 1: Shanahan, Andy Reid, Sean Payton historically good September coaches.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, and so you can bang on.

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, but October first on Zach Taylor wins a

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Speaker 1: lot of games. So it's a I don't have an

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Speaker 1: answer for it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I like to chuck it up to being unprepared.

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Speaker 9: I just don't think Taylor puts in the work necessary

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Speaker 9: to get his team prepared, and he's out game planned

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Speaker 9: by opponents. Now, Colin, I will just say this, if

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Speaker 9: you want to bet Joe Burrow to win the MVP,

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Speaker 9: I don't think that's a terrible bet. He is going

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Speaker 9: to be slinging it because the defense is going to

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Speaker 9: remain putrid. He's gonna have to be playing catch up.

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Speaker 9: He's got great receivers, no good that's a good call.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 9: Now here's the thing though, will NFL voters, you know

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Speaker 9: the voters are dopey. Will they back a guy who

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Speaker 9: ain't going to be a number one, two or three set?

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Speaker 9: They usually just take the quarterback from the best team

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Speaker 9: in the league. But I don't know, if they win

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Speaker 9: ten games in are the sixth seed, can Burrow be the.

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Speaker 8: MVP with massive.

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Speaker 9: Fifty touchdowns and five thousand parts.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the more interesting stories is that

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow last year was completely authentic. He did not

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Speaker 1: hide his disappointment in the organization. Remember when there was

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Speaker 1: video of him talking to Zach Taylor after a loss.

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Speaker 1: Burrow is hyper competitive. This is one of my arguments

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Speaker 1: why he separates. He gets out of Cincinnati in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: He needs to clear his head because he's the only

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Speaker 1: great quarterback in the league right now. If you look

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Speaker 1: at the great quarterbacks in the league, look at their

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Speaker 1: support Stafford Sean McVay, Stan Kronkey, Lesnie. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: would say goff by the way, that front office is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Good personnel. Dan Campbell is above average. Coach Lamar has

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Speaker 1: the ravens Herbert now has Harball. So you start looking

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Speaker 1: around at the best quarterbacks in the league. Say what

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Speaker 1: you want about Sean McDermott. Sean McDermott is a good

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Speaker 1: football coach. He may, like Mickelson not being able to

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Speaker 1: beat Tiger, he may not be able to beat Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid and Mahalls. McDermott's a good coach. But I get

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Speaker 1: Burrow looking at and thinking I have the cheapest owner.

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Speaker 1: Every off season is contract disputes with our sack leader

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Speaker 1: and our star receiver. I think a fascinating storyline. What

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Speaker 1: of Burrow and I suspect this is going to be true?

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Speaker 1: Is great again this year, but an injury, a holdout, squabbles,

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Speaker 1: and it feels like he is the one great quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the league. Jalen Hurts has a great support system,

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Speaker 1: Herbert now does. He'll be the one guy that doesn't.

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Speaker 1: That's where I think pro athletes have a right to

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Speaker 1: be upset is when you are elite, it is obvious

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Speaker 1: your elite and they can't get you help and won't

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Speaker 1: spend money. That's where I think Burrow last year said

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Speaker 1: enough of this, so he was He didn't even hide

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Speaker 1: his animosity toward the organization nor should he Andrew Luck

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Speaker 1: was always to everything's great here.

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Speaker 3: No, it wasn't be honest. That's part of leadership.

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Speaker 9: I like how he said, and I'm sure the audience

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Speaker 9: Sergiy clising Burrow likes to get out of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 8: In the offseason. Yeah, fashion shows.

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Speaker 9: In Paris or Cincinnati, the Amalfi Coast where Burrow is

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Speaker 9: hanging out with the you know, the new celebrity girlfriend,

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Speaker 9: or Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: It's a no brainer.

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Speaker 8: Let's move to Cam Hayward Colin. This is not great.

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Speaker 9: The veteran has had some issues with the Pittsburgh front

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Speaker 9: office in recent weeks, wanting a new deal. There are

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Speaker 9: reports claiming Hayward wants an extension and he may be

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Speaker 9: willing to sit out the season if he doesn't get

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Speaker 9: his new deal.

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Speaker 8: Now he is getting up there in.

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Speaker 9: Age, it feels unlikely that he's going to sit out.

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Speaker 9: He was first team All Pro last season, only missed

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Speaker 9: one game.

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Speaker 3: Due to injuries.

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Speaker 1: He's a great, highly productive, great academic. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: a There are not many Cam Haywards. No, I'm not

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Speaker 1: denying that he may not get the contract he wants,

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Speaker 1: but he was highly productive last year, so I think

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Speaker 1: and by the way TJ.

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Speaker 3: Watts on the edge, you.

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Speaker 1: Can find edge rushers, it is really hard to find

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Speaker 1: guys as big as Cam Hayward that are that productive,

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Speaker 1: that healthy. Like there's just stuff I've said before. Quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: number one, left tackle, number two, I'd argue, interior defensive line.

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Speaker 1: There aren't many Cam Haywards in the elite. They're just they're

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Speaker 1: just not that many guys that are that size, that fast,

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Speaker 1: that smart, that instinctive. He is a great and I

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Speaker 1: know he's old, but I feel much better trying to

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Speaker 1: find another Aaron Donald, Jalen Carter, Chris Jones, Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 1: You may get two of those, you may get one

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Speaker 1: of them. A draft, what you get four edge rushers,

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Speaker 1: six edge rushers, twelve receivers, a draft that can play.

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Speaker 9: Imagine the chances they could have decided we'll trade Cam Hayward,

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Speaker 9: get something max value, he's all pro, and.

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Speaker 8: We'll trade TJ. Watt and they could have picked up

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Speaker 8: multiple picks to make a run.

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Speaker 9: At OCX Banning. Instead they're gonna just go back with

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Speaker 9: a loaded defense.

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Speaker 1: Look at that, Look at that, look at that though,

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Speaker 1: look at some of those highlights, Like he is still

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Speaker 1: elite and I know I get the age thing. I

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Speaker 1: totally get it. You can't give him everything he wants.

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Speaker 1: But folks, outside of quarterback, you can find corners, receivers, linebackers,

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Speaker 1: tight ends all. I mean, go look at how many

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Speaker 1: tight ends Gronk, George Kittle are not. They're not first

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Speaker 1: or second round guys. There are receivers six and seventh

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Speaker 1: round guys that can play, and not a lot of

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Speaker 1: Cam Heyward body types in the league that are that

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Speaker 1: quick and that twitchy for that size.

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Speaker 8: A final story is some good news out of Buffalo.

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Speaker 9: James Cook, the running back who was a monster for

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Speaker 9: my fantasy football team last year and also the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 9: He returned to practice today after McDermott said conversations about

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Speaker 9: Cook's new contract in the team have been progressing. McDermott

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Speaker 9: didn't say whether or not Cook's hold in is over,

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Speaker 9: but again he's practicing with the team today, which is

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Speaker 9: just great news. This kid is electric. I have him

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Speaker 9: as a top five back in the league. He is

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Speaker 9: a game changer for Buffalo. He and Josh Allen is.

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Speaker 3: Just who are the best.

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Speaker 1: The best five backs are Saquon when healthy, Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: although he wasn't last year.

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Speaker 3: Who's three?

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Speaker 9: John Robinson's up there, Jamiir Gibbs is up there, Jamiir Gibbs.

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Speaker 9: And I think you got to put Cook in that.

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Speaker 9: I know people will say Josh Jacob, Derrick Henry, but

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Speaker 9: Cook is like entering his prime.

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Speaker 8: I mean that guy's and he's a duel.

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Speaker 1: Well, people are putting on my screen. Staff says Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 1: I I think he's I think he's very good.

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Speaker 8: I could ask around the league.

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Speaker 9: I bet you GMS would take Cook over Derrick Henry

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Speaker 9: for this year.

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Speaker 8: Given the tread on the tires of Henry.

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Speaker 9: You can't give Henry twenty twenty carries for like seven

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Speaker 9: games this year and expect him to show up in January.

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Speaker 1: Come on, we don't have a ton of great running backs.

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Speaker 1: There's Kyron williams Is. There's a lot of very good

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Speaker 1: running But Jay, I think you're I think you're probably.

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Speaker 3: I think James Cooks top five. Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: Jack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: By the way, for those in Indianapolis, I went to

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Speaker 1: this last week in Chicago with my buddy John Middlecoff.

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Speaker 3: We had a blast.

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Speaker 1: They do a lot of stuff globally. There in person,

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Speaker 1: it's a scene. It was really fun. So it's interesting

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Speaker 1: about every year in the draft there's one or two

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Speaker 1: players that fall in the draft.

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Speaker 3: That was Shoudeur Sanders, and.

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Speaker 1: You know Aaron Rodgers fell late first round, or a

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Speaker 1: Dan Marino falls. There's a rumor this and that should

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Speaker 1: really fell. And then there's also there's a steal of

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Speaker 1: the draft brought purty seventh round that's the steal of

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Speaker 1: the draft. Actually, the Niners got Jawan Jennings years ago

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Speaker 1: and the seventh round that that was a steal of

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Speaker 1: the draft. George Kittle was a fifth round pick, So

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Speaker 1: it's hard to it's hard to call somebody in the

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Speaker 1: second round a steal of the draft. But it is interesting,

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Speaker 1: Like you, I watched about eight to nine Ohio State

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Speaker 1: games this year and they had two running backs, Travon

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Speaker 1: Henderson and Quinn Shawn Judkins. There was never a point

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Speaker 1: although in the Natty Judkins had a big run and

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Speaker 1: he had a good game. I thought Travian Henderson was

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Speaker 1: just bigger, stronger, faster and yards for Kerrie Henderson much greater,

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Speaker 1: better receiver, better blocker. Also, he was like leading prayer

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Speaker 1: groups for Ohio stage just a great, great kid. So

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Speaker 1: this week Josh McDaniels came out and said, this is

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Speaker 1: the fastest running back I've ever had. In his first

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Speaker 1: NFL preseason game, the first time he touched the ball,

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Speaker 1: he won one hundred yards for a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: So it is interesting.

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Speaker 1: He was also a higher rated college or high school recruit.

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Speaker 1: He was a five star recruit, and I watched eight

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Speaker 1: Ohio State games, and I never thought he was the

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Speaker 1: second best of the running backs, yet he got drafted

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Speaker 1: after Quinn Shawn Judkins. Judkins was a three star recruit

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Speaker 1: and Judkins now is sadly in some trouble off the field.

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Speaker 3: So it's just interesting.

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Speaker 1: And I know he's a second round pick, but I

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Speaker 1: watched all these Ohio State games. He was faster with

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Speaker 1: the combine. He's a better receiver, he's a better blocker.

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Speaker 1: I just thought he was an unbelievable player, and I was.

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Speaker 1: It reminded me of when Sony Michelle and Nick Chubb

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Speaker 1: played for Georgia and New England in the first round

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Speaker 1: to Sony Michelle and Cleveland in the second round. Took

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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, and Chubb was a much better pro. It's

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Speaker 1: hard because they're both getting carries. I thought Michelle would

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Speaker 1: have a better career, but Chubb was a bigger, stronger.

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Speaker 1: It could be more of a pounding running back.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It looks like to me, sometimes you need breaks. Cleveland

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Speaker 1: takes the the Ohio State running back who every time

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Speaker 1: I watched outside of the Nanty game, I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: Trevion Henderson. I think we said up multiple times that

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Speaker 1: guy is going to be a great pro. And he

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Speaker 1: was speed, size, receiving, blocking, And then I found out

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Speaker 1: this morning when I went and looked it up, he's

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Speaker 1: like leading prayer groups for the team. So he's a

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Speaker 1: pretty exceptional kid. The other thing we were talking about, Oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, here's Josh McDaniels, the code the coordinator

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Speaker 1: for New England on the Buckeye rookie.

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Speaker 5: He's a tremendous kid, awesome individual, really hard worker, smart kid,

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Speaker 5: can process a lot of information. We've had some really

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Speaker 5: good players with skill sets that are somewhat like his.

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Speaker 5: Maybe nobody quite as fast as you know. Vereen was

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Speaker 5: probably the fast. Him and Danny Woodhead were fast, but

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Speaker 5: Trevion's fast fast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think New England may have found themselves a

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Speaker 1: really game breaking star. Second guy drafted out of his

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Speaker 1: bield at Ohio State. I was saying that I do

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Speaker 1: question uh, and I said, it's with Cam Newton and

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Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel and Baker. I see the traits. I questioned

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Speaker 1: the maturity, and in all those cases, I think the

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Speaker 1: lack of maturity did hurt Baker all always rebounding nicely.

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Speaker 1: Manzella crushed Cam. It didn't help. And I think with

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Speaker 1: Shadur Sanders it's it's not ideal. But and I did

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Speaker 1: not like after the game, in which I thought he

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Speaker 1: played really well, And I think it's kind of ridiculous

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Speaker 1: he's fourth on the He's fourth on the depth chart.

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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel hasn't been as good as Camp and can't

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Speaker 1: stay healthy, and staying healthy is like a skill. Brett

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Speaker 1: fav Eli manning Tom Brady, I mean they you know,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady practice getting sacked.

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Speaker 3: It's a skill.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, Lamar Jackson got hit too much early, started

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Speaker 1: practicing getting out of the way.

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Speaker 3: That's a skill.

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Speaker 1: But Nick Wright did make an interesting point about Chadur

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Speaker 1: Sanders confronting the very popular low Gold Cleveland radio host.

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Speaker 6: That is not uncommon the athlete going up to the

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Speaker 6: loudmouth radio guy and being like, Hey, what.

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Speaker 5: I do to you?

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Speaker 6: Like that Tony Grossy Chadoor interaction reads not great, But

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Speaker 6: when you watch it and Shador hits you with the

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Speaker 6: five thousand watts smile and the laugh at the end,

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Speaker 6: it seems like it's okay.

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Speaker 4: So I had no problem with that.

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Speaker 6: The walk in with the boombox and the staff, I

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Speaker 6: maybe could.

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Speaker 4: Have done without.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's kind of ridiculous at this point though,

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Speaker 1: And I know it's hard to admit everybody. Guys don't

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Speaker 1: like to admit they're wrong. Yeah, I don't love this

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Speaker 1: stuff either. We're showing, you know, you know, all the

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Speaker 1: pregame stuff. I'm coming into the stadium. I don't love

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Speaker 1: that stuff. It'd be one thing if you were a

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Speaker 1: four time All pro. I don't like it now as

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Speaker 1: a rookie, a fifth round pick with two speeding tickets.

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Speaker 1: But I do think you have to admit it now

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Speaker 1: if even if you're a critic, he made some really

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Speaker 1: nice throws. He was excellent ten plus downfield in the

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Speaker 1: face of pressure. The other thing is stop telling me

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Speaker 1: he's not athletic.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, right there, he this run right there.

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Speaker 1: He is more than athletic. He's not Lamar Josh mahomes hurt.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that you're not Kyler Murray. Now

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Speaker 1: watch this him again. It's a really nice throw with

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Speaker 1: a guy in his face, And we've got to be

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Speaker 1: honest about this. He is more than accurate and more

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Speaker 1: than athletic. Enough you know your dad, you grow up.

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Speaker 1: He's Dion Sanders. He's a little into himself, that part

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Speaker 1: of doult love.

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Speaker 3: Jmack, you're looking at me. You've got some condemning. Say

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Speaker 3: it again. I can't hear you. Hold on body, say

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Speaker 3: it again.

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Speaker 8: Oh sorry, I'm excited for Mike Sando coming up.

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Speaker 9: I'm surprised Shador didn't crack the quarterback too, but interesting.

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Speaker 9: I do have one note, Colin, this is one of

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Speaker 9: the cool NFL stats I've seen. Okay, the twenty twenty

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Speaker 9: NFL draft class was amazing for quarterbacks. You remember that, right, Burrow, Herbert, Tua, Hurts, Hurts.

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Speaker 8: And Jordan Love.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, playoff wins from the twenty twenty NFL quarterback class.

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Speaker 9: Jalen Hurts has six, Burrow five, Jordan Love won, Herbert zero,

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Speaker 9: Tua zero. So Jalen Hurts has as many playoff wins

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Speaker 9: as every other quarterback in his twenty twenty draft class,

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Speaker 9: which is a historic draft class. Yet Jalen Hurts, somehow

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Speaker 9: is still only ninth among decision makers and front office people.

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Speaker 1: Well again too, that's how fans see it. Fans are

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Speaker 1: like they win games. Well, Dan Marino didn't win a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and Brad Johnson did, So you have to

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Speaker 1: contextualize this stuff. General managers have to not just go

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Speaker 1: quarterback equals wins. Brought Perty when he's had a team

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Speaker 1: that's all beat up. He's six and nine in his

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Speaker 1: last fifteen and they just gave him two hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy million. Dak Prescott and Brock when they came in

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Speaker 1: with four All pros on offense, both did first year.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how good they looked. They also didn't make

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Speaker 1: any money and you could go free agent hunting. So

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Speaker 1: now Brock starting next year, had a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a cap hit. So it's it can't just be wins

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Speaker 1: because Dan Marino no Super Bowls and only got there

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Speaker 1: once