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Speaker 1: that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news and

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Speaker 1: notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled by Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Slam the ground by Fota Baker Like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield. I scared and nobody here's

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Speaker 1: Paul Calvic. So if you go back to high school, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: my buddies coined a phrase for Paul pencilneck. See. I

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Speaker 1: happen to hang out with a bunch of guys who

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Speaker 1: all got college scholarships, everybody except except yours, truly, and

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Speaker 1: they came up with a saying, as I started doing

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Speaker 1: not college sports, but college radio, and they all said, well,

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Speaker 1: if you can't play it commentated and as if I

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Speaker 1: needed further evidence as to why I'll never ever make

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Speaker 1: a living in athletics, much less get a college scholarship,

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Speaker 1: the new resident philosopher in town had this to say,

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Speaker 1: and I embody neither end of this statement. You can't

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Speaker 1: lead a group if you're always talking. Of course I'm

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Speaker 1: always talking. You've got to be about that action. And

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Speaker 1: it's really disputable as to what sort of action I

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Speaker 1: ever take at anytime. And that's just my self deprecating

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Speaker 1: Aros and our Cardinals. And already I'm seen way too

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Speaker 1: much buying in agreement. Darren Well. First of all, my

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Speaker 1: first thought was is that why you got the backwards

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Speaker 1: I just write zero leadership being shown either either visually,

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Speaker 1: either end, according to Malcolm Butler, the new resident philosopher

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Speaker 1: intown in the Cardinals locker room. I actually just enjoyed

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Speaker 1: your what was it you if you can't if you

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Speaker 1: can't play it to commentate, because that goes back to

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Speaker 1: there's an old there's an old teacher kind of cliche,

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Speaker 1: which is if you can't do teach, which my wife

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Speaker 1: which is, if you can't do write about it, which

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Speaker 1: is basically where me and Kyle fit in here. So

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Speaker 1: I fail, you're pain Paul. Yeah, yeah, so once again, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you can't play it commentated. I somehow spoke that

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Speaker 1: about that. But seriously, Kyle, I mean I like that quote.

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Speaker 1: If you can't lead a group, if you're always talking,

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Speaker 1: the Marshawn lynchabok. Maybe Malcolm Butler knows Marshawn Lynch, I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. That's exactly where my mind went was

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Speaker 1: a little Marshawn Lynch junior quote right there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what kind of leadership style Malcolm Butler brings,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's a lot different from Patrick Peterson, who

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Speaker 1: chunk throw catches aloud, right, But he did have another

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I feel like culture that was

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Speaker 1: I just don't see how you can't say that's part

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Speaker 1: the end zone in the auxiliary press, so we weren't

429
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Speaker 1: in the press box. And and for those people that

430
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: don't know the Super Bowl normal super Bowls, there's so

431
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: much press that shows up that you got to be

432
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: high up the food chain or covering one of the

433
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: teams involved to be actually in a press box. And

434
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: then the rest of the media gets put in the stands,

435
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 1: and they don't sell tickets to all the seats in

436
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: the stands. Some of those seats are in their upper

437
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: down seats are given to media members, and they put

438
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: these little like every other row is people. And then

439
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: they put these makeshift tables up there where you can

440
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: have your computer and stuff. And Colin and I were

441
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: in the corner the ends on the press box side

442
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: of the field, right by the end zone where Butler

443
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: made his interception. Of Russell Wilson. Well, I have to

444
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: say is thank goodness. I was assigned the Patriots locker room.

445
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: So there was nobody or happier for Malcolm Butler at

446
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: that moment than yours, truly, because I didn't really want

447
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: to go in and deal with the losing Super Bowl

448
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: locker room for the next hour and a half. So

449
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: I did appreciate that. We even got a smile out

450
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: of Coach Belichick after that one. That was memorable. And

451
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: I think that was like the obviously the start of

452
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler's rise. To start him, I believe he was

453
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: an undrafted guy and maybe a second or third season

454
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: and he was a starting cornerback, but nobody really knew

455
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: who he was, and then he makes that play and

456
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: he turned into a really good player that the Titans

457
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 1: signed to a handsome contract, which they eventually released him

458
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: at the very end of it when the money got

459
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: really high. But I liked the signing a lot for

460
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: the Cardinals for the price they got him for reportedly

461
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: up to like five million dollars. If you can get

462
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: that for a number one cornerback, that's pretty good. And

463
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see he stayed on the market despite

464
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: what he's done. So I don't know if there were

465
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: some fears among teams that he's slipping a little bit

466
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: or what. But considering where the Cardinals were before that

467
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: signing to where they are now, I think it solidifies

468
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: a lot of things. And sure, you can add to

469
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: the cornerback spot, and you're going to need to for

470
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: now and for the future, but I think the Cardinals

471
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: should feel a lot better about where they're at now

472
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: with Malcolm Butler. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was his

473
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: rookie season. He was an undrafted guy out of West

474
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: Alabama and he just slowly but surely worked his way

475
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: into the rotation and was in on either a Nickel

476
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: or Dine package at the very end, and then the

477
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: rest is history. And so, okay, what do the Cardinals

478
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: do now? The rest are they set? Going into the draft?

479
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Obviously, we've seen some reports Quen Dunbar was scheduled

480
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: to visit the Arizona Cardinals. He had a heck of

481
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season for the Washington football team and then

482
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: he spent all of last season. Based on the reports

483
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: I saw at a Seattle going through the archives, he

484
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: showed up in August dealing with an injured knee and

485
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: was just never right all of last year. It was

486
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: only active for six games. They put him on the

487
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: ir at the end. But I'll tell you what, having

488
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: been down on that field for the first game and

489
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: seeing him field level a six foot two corner, legit

490
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: six two, He's imposing. There's no doubt Quinn Dunbar well.

491
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: Seahawks got a lot of praise when they first got

492
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: him last offseason, and it looked like it might be

493
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: a really good move. But he got tangled up in

494
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 1: some off field things with the kid from DeAndre Baker

495
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: I think his name was, from the Giants, and supposedly

496
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 1: they had done some bad things that I'm not going

497
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: to bring up because what ended up happening was Dunbar

498
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: basically got exonerated early in the process. So he wasn't

499
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't whoever was there. He wasn't the guy, So

500
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: there was that, so he had that hanging over his head,

501
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: and then of course he was dealing with injury. But

502
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: there are some things to like about him, and if

503
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: he's still out there in the market, you would think

504
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: he could be somebody you could get. Now supposedly he's

505
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: going to visit both the Cardinals and the Lions, and

506
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: if he goes the Lions first, you never know, they

507
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: might not let him out of the building, that kind

508
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: of thing. But ultimately, Paul I feel like, even with Butler,

509
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: I think they need another veteran cornerback. Now. Maybe maybe

510
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: that's Dunbar, maybe that's somebody else. It'd be nice if

511
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: they could get somebody who they would feel comfortable starting

512
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: alongside Butler. You'd have Byron Murphy as the nickel slot guy.

513
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: Robert Alford is there for depth and who knows, maybe

514
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: can challenge for that second starting job. Whatever. But if

515
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: you can get four veteran guys like that, if you

516
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: add one more veteran, it just puts you in such

517
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: a better position. I do think they need to look

518
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: long and hard at taking a cornerback in one of

519
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: the first two rounds. It'd be great if like a

520
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: jac Horne was there in the first round, that'd be great.

521
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: But if you can go into the draft not having

522
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: to have that, then you're not forced into a pick

523
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: that you really don't want. And that's what they did

524
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: last year when they signed to Andre Campbell and they

525
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: signed Jordan Phillips to make sure that they didn't have

526
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: to take a defensive lineman, they didn't have to take

527
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: a linebacker, so that when Derek Brown went number seven,

528
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: who they were ready to take. If Simmons gone seven

529
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: of the Panthers and take Derek Brown. Well, when Derek

530
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: Brown went, you already had the defensive lineman. You could

531
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: take Isaiah Simmons, and at sixteen, there's just so many

532
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: different options that could be there. You want to have

533
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: the flexibility, and I think that's ultimately why they need

534
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: to sign a Dunbar somebody else. Yeah, so if you

535
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: had Malcolm Butler and then Robert Alfred Byron Murphy, you

536
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: had that fourth guy, and then yeah, it's not as

537
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: easy to discern where the Cardinals might be leaning in

538
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: round one, whereas every single mock draft these days has

539
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: them taking one of the three cornerbacks. Well maybe not

540
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: so much, right how Yeah, I think, like Darren's saying,

541
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: if you get one more then you're in a pretty

542
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: good spot. And you look at the Cardinals contractually right now,

543
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean these next two years they have a lot

544
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: of people under contracts, and after that they almost have

545
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: a clean slate. So you can go a lot of

546
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: different ways with who you think is the best talent,

547
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: and I think that's what they need to do to

548
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: kind of build it up for the future. So many

549
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: of these guys are on one or two year contracts

550
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: that you kind of have this clear window of these

551
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 1: next two seasons and then you're gonna extend Kyler Murray

552
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have him and DeAndre Hopkins and Buddha

553
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: Baker as these three main guys, but you need to

554
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: add some youth and some talent around them. So the

555
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is reach for somebody

556
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: at sixteen. If Patrick's certain and J. C. Horner gone,

557
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: there's a question about is Caleb Farley healthy enough and

558
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: would anybody else be worth it at sixteen, So you

559
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: certainly don't want to reach there, and signing somebody else

560
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: would allow them more of that flexibility. Yeah, I'm guessing

561
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: the words back surgery almost ensure that Caleb Farley is

562
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: going to be there at sixteen. That's just my own guests.

563
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: We'll see what the medical reports, if and when any

564
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: detailed medical reports come out. You know, considering what this

565
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: offseason has still been virtual in so many different ways,

566
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: all I know is, for example, if you go after

567
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: a Quentin Dunbar, I mean there's a guy you can

568
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: match up theoretically against DK Metcalf. I mean just just

569
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: a physical and aspect of the game. The fact that

570
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: Dunbar spent last season with the Seahawks, he might be

571
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: your answer. Because look, there might be some detractors out

572
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: there Patrick Peterson, but his two games against DK Metcalf

573
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: were excellent. He did a really good job checking DK

574
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: Metcalf in those two Seattle games. So not saying Malcolm

575
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: Butler couldn't or isn't capable of doing the same, But

576
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: think about that. If Patrick Surtan and j. C. Horn

577
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: are both six two, aren't they right in that range?

578
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you would have some serious size in your

579
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: defensive backfield at the corner position to make up for

580
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: some smaller safeties at the very least. Well, they're not

581
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: getting one of those guys is definitely going to be

582
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: off the board when they pick, and at this point

583
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a chance. Although I participated in

584
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: an old mock draft recently and like in the last

585
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: couple of days, and the only cornerback off the board

586
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: at sixteen was certain so Horne was there, so who

587
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: knows well, speaking of the defensive backfield and now safeties,

588
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: what about Sean Williams who was the what ad over

589
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: one hundred attack? Was he the leading tackler or two

590
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: years ago for the Bengals and then he was a

591
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: team captain as well. So Sean Williams signs in the

592
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: line that has dotted Darren What else do we know

593
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: about the Bengals guy? More of a special teams guy,

594
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: you think, But he was a starter for that poor

595
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: Bengals team a couple of years ago, and then they

596
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: brought in a free agent I think it was vom

597
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: Bell to replace him, and he has basically moved to

598
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: special teams. But he did a great job by all accounts,

599
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that took the demotion. Well,

600
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: he's all about the team. I've heard that from multiple sources,

601
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: both things I've seen online and a couple of people

602
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: that I've talked to that he will always put the

603
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: team first and so he'll do what he needs to do.

604
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: And I like it because not only is he captain,

605
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: not only is he a special teamer that can kind

606
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: of slip in and who knows, maybe he's the guy

607
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: that replaces Trent Sherfield on special teams, but he's also

608
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: a guy that if you have some injuries on the

609
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: back end, you know, maybe you can drop him into

610
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: the lineup and you feel a little bit more comfortable

611
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: that if Buddha Baker gets banged up again or Jalen Thompson.

612
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they played Chris Banjo a ton on defense

613
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: last year, and they did bring Chris Banjo back. I

614
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: think in a perfect world, Chris Banjo is mostly playing

615
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: special teams for you, So maybe Sean Williams gives you

616
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more flexibility there. And Jayleen Thompson barely

617
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: played last year. Now you hope knock on wood right,

618
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: that's not going to be the case this year. But

619
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: you were left a little short, well inexperienced at that

620
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: safety position after Jalen Thompson was injury played. Yeah. Like

621
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about that Carolina game and was

622
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: it leadership or not, but I think having the safeties

623
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: out in that one was a big thing to me.

624
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: When you didn't have Buddha, you didn't have Jayalen, you

625
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: didn't have Chris Banjo. I think it was maybe Deontay

626
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: Thompson and Curtis Riley, but I know they're missing at

627
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: least three, so this is a hedge against any injuries there.

628
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: I think if Buddha Baker and Jayleen Thompson stay healthy,

629
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a duel that could be one

630
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: of the best safety tandems in the league because I

631
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: believe in Jaylen Thompson's talent that much, but he was

632
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: hurt so much last year that I think you do

633
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: need to make sure that you have somebody backing up

634
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: both those guys. Buddha Baker's diminutive, and he plays so

635
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: hard that you know it wouldn't be a shock if

636
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: he gets hurt at some point next season because he's

637
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: such a wrecking ball out there. So I think it's

638
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: definitely a good idea to have that third safety. And

639
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: Cardinals have a long line of talents and safety is

640
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: going back several years and a lot of times it

641
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: was three guys that they moved in and out because

642
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: Tyr Matthew was basically a slot cornerback slash safety. But yeah,

643
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Speaker 1: I think if Sean Williams shows that he can play well,

644
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Speaker 1: you're going to so much of a nickel and dime

645
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Speaker 1: package league that maybe he could see the field or

646
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: just be that very much insurance type depth, you know.

647
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Speaker 1: And then you gotta look at what is going on

648
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Speaker 1: in the division, and you know, we talked about the Rams,

649
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Speaker 1: We've talked about the Seahawks, and then you have a

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers team that looks like they're going to

651
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Speaker 1: have a brand new quarterback. At least that's my guess.

652
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Speaker 1: I'm not really buying what Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch

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Speaker 1: are pedaling about the future of Jimmy Jean. He still

654
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Speaker 1: has a year left with a forty nine Ers. Not

655
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Speaker 1: when they can have that sort of cap savings and

656
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Speaker 1: own the dead money, he's still gonna be less than

657
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Speaker 1: four million. I think they maximize that cap savings, and

658
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: they do deal him before, and they have an opportune

659
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Speaker 1: moment to do so. But Darren, go ahead and get

660
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Speaker 1: us updated on what the Niners did and made news

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Speaker 1: here in the last week since the last edition of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean they traded down and they we're going to

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Speaker 1: be picking twelfth, I believe, and they trade it up

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Speaker 1: to three and they've made no bones about the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're going to take a quarterback there, and which

667
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: is an interesting thing because when you're picking three, usually

668
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Speaker 1: you know you want to move up to get a

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Speaker 1: guy you know you're going to get. Well, the quarterback

670
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Speaker 1: class is such that apparently, assuming Trevor Lawrence is going

671
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Speaker 1: first to the Jaguars, and I think that's given the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers have at least two quarterbacks they really like.

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Speaker 1: Now that's where we're not sure what they are. There's

674
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Speaker 1: a lot of feeling like the Jets are going to

675
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: go ahead and take by us Zach Wilson number two.

676
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Speaker 1: So at that number three spot, is it Mac Jones

677
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Speaker 1: of Alabama? Is at Trey Lance out of North Dakota State?

678
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: Is it Justin Fields out of Ohio State. We don't

679
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: really know that, but the forty nine ers obviously feel

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00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: comfortable enough that they're going to do that, and they've

681
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: made again even in press conferences, it clear that it's

682
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Speaker 1: going to be a quarterback. What you refer to now

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Speaker 1: is you know what they do with Jimmy Garoppolo, because

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Speaker 1: they're saying he's going to be their quarterback this year,

685
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Speaker 1: and that makes sense. Maybe if you want to have

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Speaker 1: a guy learn on the bench, which is so infrequent

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00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: these days with a rookie quarterback, and I'll be curious

688
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: to know exactly how they play that out. I don't

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Speaker 1: personally think that Jimmy Garoppolo is necessarily going to fetch

690
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: a lot in trade with that contract. You know, what,

691
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: are you going to give up for that kind of

692
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Speaker 1: price for that kind of quarterback? I don't know. I mean,

693
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: you'd have to be kind of desperate. The Patriots aren't desperate.

694
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: They've got Cam Newton. There's been talking about the Broncos.

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00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: But is Jimmy Garoppolo that much better than Drew Locke

696
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: at this point? I don't so, especially for that price tag.

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00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know if a trademarket will develop. I

698
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: do know that the forty nine ers are going to

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Speaker 1: have a quarterback of the future or one that they

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Speaker 1: hope will be quarterback of the future. And I do

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Speaker 1: know that as of we sit here today, the Cardinals

702
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: are the only NFC West team where the first round

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Speaker 1: draft pick in the twenty twenty two NFL draft in

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00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: the division. So teams are making moves and they're mortgaging futures,

705
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Speaker 1: and we'll see how that turns out Seattle has three

706
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: picks total in this year's draft, and neither Seattle nor

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00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: the La Rams have a first round pick this year.

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00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, going forward and this year it's a paucity

709
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Speaker 1: of picks if you will, for their NFC West rivals.

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Speaker 1: I just the deal itself, Kyle. I mean, let me

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Speaker 1: get this straight. The forty nine ers traded away three

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Speaker 1: first round picks for an opportunity to draft Justin Fields

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Speaker 1: Trey Lancer Mac Jones. Yeah, you're drafting what most people

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Speaker 1: think is the third best quarterback in this draft. But

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Speaker 1: if you're confident in whoever it is, and I feel

716
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: like Trey Lance is the most likely scenario there. If

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00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: you love a Trey Lance or whoever it is, and

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00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: you get a quarterback in that Kyle Shanahan offense that

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00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: you think is a star, it's the same thing that

720
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Speaker 1: we've got with Kyler Murray where you can build around

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00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: him because of his contract for five years and it's

722
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: a great place to be. So if you're gonna trade

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Speaker 1: three pick three first rounders for something, this is what

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00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: makes sense, is for a young quarterback who you think

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00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: you can build a round. I don't like the two

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00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: first round picks for a guy on his fourth year

727
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: and a deal that you just have to extend and pay.

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Speaker 1: But in this I mean, a first round pick at

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Speaker 1: quarterback is worth his weight in gold if if he

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Speaker 1: pans out. So and I also feel like the Niners

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00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: have such a good roster that they might have felt like,

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00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: we're not going to be at number twelve anytime soon

733
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Speaker 1: because we're always going to be competitive because we've got

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00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: such a good defense, we love our coach, you have

735
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: good players on offense. So I think they felt like

736
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Speaker 1: this is the time to strike, and they like the

737
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: quarterback class that much what they're willing to take that risk.

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Speaker 1: See I agree with that. I think ultimately, when you

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Speaker 1: have the chance to have a top three pick and

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Speaker 1: potentially get that quarterback of the future, I think you've

741
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: got to be very mindful of the opportunity that you

742
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Speaker 1: have there, knowing that you might not be there again,

743
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: even if you don't have a great team. You know,

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00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: if you're picking eight, you're not going to get a quarterback.

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00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: You're just not And it's hard to put yourself in

746
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: a position to be there. I mean, if you're the

747
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons and you redid Matt Ryan, but he's in

748
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: the back end of the end of his career. With

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Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks we're talking about, we could ostensibly have

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks go the first four picks if they like whoever's

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Speaker 1: still on the board after the forty nine ers choose,

752
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Speaker 1: And there is an argument to be made that that's

753
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Speaker 1: there too, And so I think these teams have gotten

754
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: very conscious of being able to go after these guys

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Speaker 1: and work on the rookie quarterback. And Kyle's right, if

756
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Speaker 1: you can get a rookie a quarterback on his rookie

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00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: deal with the forty nine ers right now, then though

758
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: not only are those first round picks you traded the

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00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: next couple of years going to be in the high

760
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: twenties anyways potentially, but you've got so much more room

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Speaker 1: to add to an already talented roster with a cheap quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's if it pays off, it's great. Now,

763
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: the question is does it pay off? The reality is is,

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Speaker 1: let's say the first four picks or three picks or quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: at least one of them is gonna not be good.

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Speaker 1: That's just that's just the odds, that's just the reality

767
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: these days. Could be a couple of them. So if

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00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: if a couple of them wash out, then you're then

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Speaker 1: you're the Rams or you're the Eagles, where even though

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Speaker 1: you had some success with a golf or Carson Wentz,

771
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: it didn't last long term and then you got upside

772
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: down on the contracts. So it's it's a dangerous game

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00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: that is played, but it's a necessary game that you

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00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: have to play to compete in this league. Recent history

775
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: says it's not gonna work. I ripped this off. ESPN's

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Speaker 1: NFL Live took a quick picture of the graphic, and

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Speaker 1: the graphic is top three quarterbacks who were drafted after

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Speaker 1: the team traded up over the last fifteen seasons. Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold two eighteen, Mitchell Trubisky twenty seventeen, Jared Goff two

780
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Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, Carson Wentz twenty sixteen, RG three two twelve.

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Speaker 1: Only Sam Darnold still remains with a team who drafted him,

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Speaker 1: and that clock is ticking, as we know within New

783
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: York Jets. So recent history would say good luck. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But that's that's fun with arbitrary endpoints, isn't it. Because

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Speaker 1: if you say trading up for a first round quarterback

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs did it for Patrick Mahomes that worked out

787
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Speaker 1: pretty well. The Texans did it for Deshaun Watson. I

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00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: mean there's teams that trade it up and it hit

789
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: you just you got a hit on the quarterback. The Bills,

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Speaker 1: I believe, traded up for Josh Allen in that draft

791
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Speaker 1: and that seems to be working out. So it's it's

792
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: a massive risk. But I don't think trading into the

793
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: top three is automatically going to mean you made a mistake.

794
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: I mean, being at number three is still better than

795
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: being lower because you get the third best quarterback compared

796
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Speaker 1: to the fifth or six. So I think, you know,

797
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: it's obviously a big risk, and if they miss, then

798
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: then you know, the Niners, as bright as their future

799
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: looks right now, then it's really gonna be tough to

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00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: win without a good quarterback. So we'll see what happens.

801
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: But clearly they felt like this is a good time

802
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: for us to push all in and get a young

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00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: quarterback in here. I mean the reality is, if for

804
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: whatever reason, the Cardinals would have stuck with Josh Rosen

805
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, and Josh hadn't made those strides, I mean,

806
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: where would this organization be right now. I mean, we

807
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: might be talking about wholesale changes, especially in the front

808
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: office because it just didn't work out. And that's again

809
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: that's the danger, Steve time you to talk about it

810
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, the issue with taking a

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Speaker 1: quarterback early is he is your quarterback of the future.

812
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: Now he may not turn into your quarterback of the future,

813
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: but when you draft him, he is your quarterback of

814
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: the future. You can't if you take a guy in

815
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: the top ten unless you're Josh Rosen. And that's why

816
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: it was such a head scratcher and turner when the

817
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: Cardinals did what they did. You're committing to that guy,

818
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: and so if he shows you anything, you're committing to

819
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: him for a number of years, even if it's not

820
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: going to turn out, and you end up a little

821
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: bit like the Rams did. Now they had success, don't

822
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but you read the stuff that happened

823
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: with Jared Goffin, it became clear that Sean McVeigh did

824
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: not believe that he was going to end up being

825
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: the long term answer. And then you're like, you're in

826
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: this horrible no man's land, and that's what you're trying

827
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Speaker 1: to avoid. I think too, in Miami is a good

828
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Speaker 1: example of kind of what the Niners are following, where

829
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins have a really nice roster up and

830
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: down both sides of the ball. Is too a gonna

831
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: be a good quarterback? And if he is, I think

832
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: they'll be Super Bull contenders sooner rather than later. If not,

833
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: you're kind of in at maybe make a wild card

834
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: playoff game. We'll see. But I think the Niners are

835
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: in a similar boat where if they hit on that pick,

836
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: then yeah, they're going to be in prime position. And

837
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: if not, their roster is good enough to win games.

838
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: But can you be a true contender without a star quarterback?

839
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: And I'm all about the rookie contract on a quarterback.

840
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: It's more valuable than ever and they get a lot

841
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: of the reasoning and the rationale. And you know, the

842
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: Cardinals traded up to get Josh Rosen, despite media proclamations

843
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: to the contrary. Here's my thing, I'll come full circle

844
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: to my original statement. They gave up three first round

845
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: picks for a shot at either Trey Lance, Justin Fields,

846
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: or Mac Jones. I know mel Keiper said recently that

847
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: in this quarterback group, if Sam Darnold was in this draft,

848
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: he'd be number two behind Trevor Lawrence, so we'll see.

849
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: I just found it real curious that these are the

850
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks most likely they're gonna choose from at number three,

851
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: and so obviously they like one of those or else

852
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: they're not making that deal. The intrigue is there, which

853
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: one is it? And how is that guy going to

854
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: pan out? But but again you're also weighing that against

855
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: the situation you're in, which is maybe we had some

856
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: hopes that Deshaun Watson would become available, he wasn't, and

857
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: then of course he's having his off field issues. That

858
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: means he's not going anywhere for the time being, and

859
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: you're drafting too high to really get a quarterback you're

860
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: really gonna want, and you've already decided, I don't care

861
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: even if he plays from this year. You've clearly already decided.

862
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo is getting the Jared Goff treatment from Kyle

863
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: Shanahan and he's trying to find a replacement. So if

864
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: you're the forty nine ers, this is the time to

865
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: make the move because you've got everything else, but you

866
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback. And if you don't make a move. Now,

867
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna be better this year. The best you're gonna

868
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: do next year is you're gonna be picking sixteen through

869
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: twenty even if you underachieve with Jimmy Garoppolo quarterback, and

870
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna be picking with a lower pick, higher pick, however,

871
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: you want to say it deeper in the twenties because

872
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: you'll be good enough for that, But will you be

873
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: good enough to have the quarterback play to win a

874
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? So those are the things you've got away,

875
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: And sometimes that means swinging for the fences because the

876
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: reality is is and I'm not saying either those guys

877
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: are in a hot seat, but if you're John Lynch

878
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: and Kyle Shanahan and you go another couple of years

879
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: trading water with Jimmy Garoppolo, you're not gonna get a

880
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: long leash to wait around. Hey, they've had their share

881
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: of injuries, obviously, and it was a rebuild, but three

882
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: of the four years that Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch

883
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: have been with the Niners, they've lost double digit games.

884
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: They've lost ten plus games in three of those four years. Now,

885
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: the fourth year was a run to the Super Bowl.

886
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: I get it, and I'm sure every morning they wake

887
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: up or maybe it's the middle of the night and

888
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: they're thinking about that passage Jimmy g airmailed over a

889
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: wide open Emmanuel Sanders in the fourth quarter that cost

890
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: him that Super Bowl and blown that ten point lead

891
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: to Patrick Mahomes and company in that fourth quarter. So

892
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: maybe that is a catalyst, among other things, for making

893
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: this ultimate decision Kyle. I don't have any questions about

894
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan's coaching ability. I know the record might not

895
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: be great, but he was just nailed with injuries, especially

896
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: at quarterback for so many of those seasons. And think

897
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: the one he did have a healthy quarterback, Like you said,

898
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: he makes the Super Bowl, and we've seen what he

899
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: can do with less at that position where he sets

900
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: them up so well. And if you're a Cardinals fan,

901
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: that's the concern is if they get a talented guy

902
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: in there. We all went to that Cardinals Falcons game

903
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen or whatever year it was when the

904
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: Falcons made the Super Bowl. Shanahan was the OC and

905
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: that was one of the best offensive performances I've ever

906
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: seen because he made Matt Ryan an MVP in large

907
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: part because of the scheme. So I think if Kyle

908
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: Shanahan gets a talented quarterback, it's bad news for the

909
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: NFC West. So I think everybody else is hoping they

910
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: miss on this projection once again, Trey Lance, Justin Fields

911
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: or Mac Jones. We'll see. We'll see how that turns out.

912
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: We do know this, speaking of quarterbacks in the draft,

913
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: is going to meet Kyler against Baker in the rematch

914
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: because the NFL has approved this seventeenth game. That means

915
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are going to the Cleveland Browns. That'll be

916
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: a road game and Baker and company. Awake Kyler and company, Darren.

917
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: So there you go. Marker schedule accordingly. By the way,

918
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: we're not going to get a definitive schedule in terms

919
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: of the weeks and the opponents and where opponents we know,

920
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: but as to the when and where until mid May

921
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: or so right, that's the report that I've seen is

922
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: that the schedule probably won't come out to mid May,

923
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: which makes sense. And you know, the seventeenth game is

924
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: not new news, and we've talked about it before and

925
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: it was inevitable as soon as the new collective Bargaining

926
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: Agreement was put in place, and they couldn't do anything

927
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: with it really until the new media packages were settled.

928
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: But the reason, one of the reasons the NFL got

929
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: so many more billions of dollars over their television streaming

930
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: packages is because of this extra game and the inventory

931
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: it provides. Because obviously regular season games mean more to

932
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: television networks than preseason games. So you've got this extra game.

933
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: It's going to always be an AFC versus NFC game.

934
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: It's gonna flip flop. So this year the NFC teams

935
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: go on the road, the next year, the AFC teams

936
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: are going to go on the road. Starting in twenty

937
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: twenty two, there's always going to be four of these

938
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: games played internationally, and over an eight year span, every

939
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: single team is going to have to give up a

940
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: home game for an international game, which I know will

941
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: absolutely make all the fans so excited because they're already

942
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: angry about losing the game New Mexico and any of

943
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: these international games, the ones that want to go to

944
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: State Farm Stadium. But it's the wave of the future.

945
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: There's going to be international games, and it's it's it's

946
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: it's interesting, it's gonna be weird. Not having any five

947
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: hundred teams, it's gonna be weird having extra home and

948
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: or away games. The Cardinals didn't get their game in

949
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: Mexico City last year. I'm assuming they still have to

950
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,479
Speaker 1: have one in Mexico City because of the Super Bowl

951
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: that they got. So if they go play in Mexico

952
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: City this year and give up the home game like

953
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: they were supposed to in twenty twenty, and you have

954
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: this extra road game in Cleveland, you could, in theory,

955
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't in theory this what would happen. You'd have a

956
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: seventeen game schedule and the Cardinals would be playing ten

957
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: of them on the road, and that's a rough little breakdown.

958
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: I fully expect that to happen. I do, Kyle. I

959
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals were supposed to go to Mexico City

960
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: last year. I think they'll probably going this year. We'll

961
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: see who the opponent is. Roger Goodell made that comment

962
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: here this week and said that one benefit of playing

963
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: seventeen games each team is quote our ability to continue

964
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: to grow our game around the world. So to me,

965
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: that's foreshadowing and there's going to be more international games

966
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: as we By the way, you're not going to go

967
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: to eighteen games in the regular season until this CBA expires,

968
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: and that's March of two thirty one. So don't want

969
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: to hear anybody say it, Oh, when you're gonna go

970
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: to eighteen, No, that's not going to happen for nearly

971
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: a decade. The players are probably not too happy with

972
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: going to seventeen games because it's more wear and tear

973
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: on their body and more chance of injury. But anybody

974
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: trying to make a thousand yards rushing a thousand yards receiving,

975
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: that's nice because now you got the extra game, like

976
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake, if you had one more, maybe he gets there.

977
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: So I think that's maybe a little silver lining for

978
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: these guys. They can be that thousand yard rusher just

979
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: gets a little bit easier. So the last time the

980
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: NFL changed the schedule, it was from fourteen to sixteen

981
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: and that was nineteen seventy eight. So there you go.

982
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: That's news. As we go in and once again three

983
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: preseason games. We'll see how they structure the month of August,

984
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: but they're supposed to start the season still the second

985
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: week of September. That's not gonna change. They're just gonna

986
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: back date the preseason schedule accordingly, and we'll see what

987
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: that means exactly. I think by the way I was

988
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: gonna say, I think the preseason will be just moved

989
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: back a little bit. And the way it'll work is

990
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: the because there's only three preseason games, which will only

991
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: be three of those. Um, the conference that has to

992
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: go on the road in the regular season gets the

993
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: extra preseason home game. Guys, So only one preseason road

994
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: trip this year. There you go, there you go. It'll

995
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: be uh, you know, we'll see. What are the odds

996
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: it's going to be the Raiders new stadium. That's that's

997
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what the clubhouse leader is going to

998
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: be that one since So by the way, Roger Goodell

999
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: also said he expects to have full stadiums for this season. Um,

1000
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: so that's significant. Now the key word there, the operative

1001
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: word is expect. Nobody knows for sure, but considering that

1002
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: NFL attendants typically a sixteen million plus for an entire season,

1003
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: and NFL teams collectively drew just over one point two million, yeah,

1004
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: there's a star contrast last year. And I think we

1005
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: all hope that atmosphere is back in the building, that

1006
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: we're all back in the building. I think it'll be

1007
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: interesting to see if it feels a little bit different

1008
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: going back, because it was so weird not having fans,

1009
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: and now it has been the reality for players for

1010
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: a full season, So it might be maybe kind of

1011
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: fun where you're an eight year NFL veteran who's seen

1012
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: it all, but maybe this little downtime of no fans

1013
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: makes you appreciate it again and what it means to

1014
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: have sixty five thousand people screaming at an important play

1015
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: of the game, So that that will be fun to

1016
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: finally have everybody back. And like you said, Paul, who

1017
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: knows if immediately we can get there. Hopefully everything's trending

1018
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: in that direction and things look good right now, but

1019
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: it would be nice at whatever point we can to

1020
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: get back to full capacity. Speaking of who knows, here's

1021
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking. We end this edition of Cardinals Underground,

1022
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: brought to you by Pacific Office out of my proud

1023
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals, Larry Fitzgerald. Update time. Always

1024
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: hope we're gonna get our conspiracy theory. I do have one.

1025
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: You guys ready, God, I'm so glad you asked would

1026
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: you wait, You wait until the very end to ask

1027
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: for do here we go? Ready? What if what if

1028
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: Larry never announces his requirement. What if he's retired already.

1029
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: What if he just hasn't filed the papers yet. Although

1030
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: he's made the decision, he will file the papers unless

1031
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: he wants to wait an extra year to start the

1032
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: clock on Canton and getting the gold jacket in the

1033
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But we all expect Larry to be

1034
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: underwhelming in the announcement. What if he just says, you

1035
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: know what. There is no official declaration, there's no tweet,

1036
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: there's no players tribute column, there's no statement from the team.

1037
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: There's certainly no press conference. I'm retired, and I'm the

1038
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: only one really knows. When's my tea time I would say,

1039
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd do that to this team, and

1040
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. Michael Bidwell would, basically, I believe, tell him, Look,

1041
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: I know you don't want to make a big deal

1042
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: about it. You don't. We're not going to make you

1043
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: do a press conference per se. But we've got to

1044
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: be able to save something one way or the other.

1045
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: And I don't I personally don't think fits will leave

1046
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: everybody hanging just like that, but it is. I'll be honest.

1047
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't completely dismiss it out of hand like some

1048
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: of the other things you've suggested, so I guess that

1049
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: you were moving in the right direction. I mean, let's

1050
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: not forget Barry Sanders announced his retirement with a facts

1051
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: to a small town newspaper in Wichita, Kansas, where he's from,

1052
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: so you never know. And where did Larry get his

1053
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: touchdown celebration from Barry Sanders? Thank you, thank you, game

1054
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: set and matchup? I had a mic right now, I

1055
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: drop it. The thing is is the guys that don't

1056
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: announce their retirement aren't retired. They're praying that somebody will

1057
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: give them a job. And I don't think Fitz is

1058
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: in that spot right now. I like the I like

1059
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: the Evan Mathis way to do it. I think he

1060
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: just got on Twitter after he was done. He goes,

1061
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: how do I announce my retirement? And that was basically

1062
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: how he did it. Fits can just do that? Hey are?

1063
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: Jim Almahandro just texted in and said, what if Fitz

1064
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: told the team and nobody else and either gave them

1065
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Speaker 1: strict orders not to announce it yet and or the

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Speaker 1: team as some sort of plan as to win seein.

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Speaker 1: I think that's very possible. I think it's very possible

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Speaker 1: that he's already told the team. I'm not saying I

1069
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Speaker 1: know that, and I'm not saying that's what's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's very possible he's already told them

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Speaker 1: what he wants to do and they're just going to

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Speaker 1: respect what's going on. And I would say that when

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Speaker 1: he says tell the team, I'm thinking there's three people

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Speaker 1: that would know, and that would be your owner, your

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Speaker 1: general manager, and your head coach and that and they

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Speaker 1: would be sworn secrecy. I can see that. Well, that

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Speaker 1: apparently would be the only three who do know right

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Speaker 1: now because is in me or putting my finger to

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Speaker 1: the win. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers chatter has been growing

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Speaker 1: and increasing. I mean, has it not, Kyle, Yeah, it has.

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Speaker 1: I mean probably they're listening to this podcast and hearing

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Speaker 1: its conspiracy theory season, so they're coming up with their own.

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Speaker 1: But I think, you know, the longer he waits, the

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Speaker 1: more people are going to speculate and try to figure

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Speaker 1: out if he's if he wants to go somewhere else

1086
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 1: like we've talked about a lot. Um fits As said

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Speaker 1: multiple times that he doesn't want to play anywhere else,

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Speaker 1: So you kind of take that as as what we

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Speaker 1: know publicly of what he's said, and he's been pretty

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Speaker 1: adamant about that. He's he talked about not chasing a

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Speaker 1: ring at one point, because it's not like super teams

1092
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Speaker 1: that are in the NBA. You don't know if a

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00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: team you go to is going to have a better

1094
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Speaker 1: chance than the team you're on right now, So it

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Speaker 1: would certainly be surprising to me. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: we're just kind of fill in the dead airwaves and

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what he's doing. I think the

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Speaker 1: most likely scenario is obviously he's just ready to retire

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Speaker 1: and he's going to announce it at some point, or

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Speaker 1: he just comes back and he's the third or fourth

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Speaker 1: wide receiver run this team for one more year. But

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Speaker 1: who knows. I mean, maybe the Vikings, maybe the Bucks,

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Speaker 1: maybe there's a lot of teams involved that I'm not

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Speaker 1: thinking of. I think ultimately, if he's not retiring and

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Speaker 1: he's not coming back to play for the Cardinals, there's

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00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: only one small chance that he signed somewhere else and

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Speaker 1: that would clearly be with the Brooklyn Nets, because they're

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Speaker 1: signing everybody else right now. And I mean, if you're

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00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: gonna ring Chase, you might as well go to the Nets.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else is or the Lakers, you know, one or

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Speaker 1: the other. You know, although that would be a serious,

1112
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, clash of interest considering he's a part on

1113
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Speaker 1: or the Phoenix Suns. Right, that's somewhere prohibited. It's it's good. Well,

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Speaker 1: at least I got Kyle to acknowledge the Vikings. At

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Speaker 1: least he threw that in there to the consideration process.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Darren, if you want, you know, Larry

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Speaker 1: to get back to you and break the news, maybe

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Speaker 1: you need to send him your fax number. That's what

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Speaker 1: you need to do. You know, is there a fact

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Speaker 1: still in the building. You better find that number and

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Speaker 1: send it to Larry, just a case the Vikings is intriguing.

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Speaker 1: Do they need leadership? Don't start that again. I bet

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Speaker 1: your Fitz has been faxing everybody for months, but nobody

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00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: checks their fax machine anymore. He's been trying to retire.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Every news room, every newsroom in Arizona and

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00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: back in Minnesota, better start scrambling to see if there's

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Speaker 1: some of that whatever they used to make that fax

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Speaker 1: paper out of its sort of that slick rubbery feel.

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Speaker 1: I never knew what that fact was that paper or

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Speaker 1: was that some sort of rubber compound? What was that

1131
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Speaker 1: fax paper? How did they make that? We are old.

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Speaker 1: I just know an intern is gonna go over there

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00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: and see a stack of nine papers from Larry Fitzgerald

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Speaker 1: to the sports editor saying I'm retired, Can you announce this?

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Speaker 1: And he's not going to know what to do? That's right,

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Speaker 1: State in February twenty thirty. That's uh yeah, okay, well

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Speaker 1: there you go, Darren. When you post this, uh this

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Speaker 1: to the website, the the adjoining picture should be of

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Speaker 1: a fax machine over it. You know, that's that's what

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Speaker 1: you should do. So there you go. Darren tried to

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Speaker 1: start it again at the very end Cole And that'll

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