Speaker 1: Welcome to zero. I'm Akshatrati in Charmel Shaker. World leaders
Speaker 1: are committing things that they know they're not going to
Speaker 1: be there for. If you're going to discuss about malaria,
Speaker 1: don't you miite the mosquitoes. It is us who want
Speaker 1: to be there. It's us who are facing every day,
Speaker 1: the hurricanes, the flaws that droughts, the femines. We know
Speaker 1: how to pitch, we know how to develop initiatives. We
Speaker 1: can make a beautiful deck. We just need a little
Speaker 1: bit of help. They'll make those connections that it's really
Speaker 1: difficult to get. If you're young, if you're from the
Speaker 1: global South, you cannot rule a dead planet. The second
Speaker 1: week of COP is underway. Negotiations on loss and damage
Speaker 1: and climate financing are going to heat up. Whether the
Speaker 1: so called implementation COP will live up to its promise
Speaker 1: will be answered this week. Over the past few days, though,
Speaker 1: I've been talking to youth activists about how they are
Speaker 1: engaging with this COP which is happening in a repressive country,
Speaker 1: how that reflects the broader challenge of activism, and what
Speaker 1: they are doing to make changes in their own countries.
Speaker 1: But first I'm talking with my bloom Book colleagues John
Speaker 1: Ainger and Jenda Louis about what's happening on the ground. Jen, John, welcome,
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you. Now, Jen, you've been the reporter
Speaker 1: who's taken the hardest hits from Charmel Shake. You've had
Speaker 1: food poisoning, you've had mosquito bites. Now you're getting a
Speaker 1: little bit of a cold. Asking you how cops going
Speaker 1: is going to be a hard question. You can't complain
Speaker 1: too much being in a seaside resort town. But I
Speaker 1: will say that the mosquitoes have been pretty pesky. I've
Speaker 1: counted one hundred thirty three bites and I'm hoping I
Speaker 1: don't reach higher levels today, but you know it's taken
Speaker 1: its toll. Yeah, John, you've had a better time. I think, yes,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean you couldn't get a much more
Speaker 1: different location from Glasgow. There's definitely an increase in temperature
Speaker 1: of about twenty degrees CE. So can't complain too much
Speaker 1: on that front. Now, let's talk news because there's been
Speaker 1: quite a bit today. Jen. There was a large announcement
Speaker 1: of twenty billion dollars going to Indonesia under this so
Speaker 1: called just Energy Transition partnership. You already had the news
Speaker 1: last week, we did, and we had that affirm today.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big, big deal. It's the
Speaker 1: largest international climate finance package of its kind, twenty billion
Speaker 1: dollars going to Indonesia to help them get rid of
Speaker 1: coal plants and bring on renewable power. You know, the
Speaker 1: US and Japan really were the core countries developing this
Speaker 1: project with the Indonesia over the last year, but they're
Speaker 1: nine countries and the UK involved in total. And it
Speaker 1: also is going to bring in private finance. So basically
Speaker 1: it's twenty billion dollars split ten billion by the government
Speaker 1: partners and ten billion from members of g fans the
Speaker 1: banks and asset managers that are part of that, and
Speaker 1: they're they're pledging to really work hard and work fast.
Speaker 1: The hope here is that this will be off the
Speaker 1: ground in the next six months. And the theme of
Speaker 1: this cop has been show me the money, and so
Speaker 1: there's real money this time. And if Indonesia gets it right,
Speaker 1: they will bring forward the peak of their emissions from
Speaker 1: twenty thirty eight to twenty thirty That would be quite
Speaker 1: the win. Now, talking of peaking emissions or reducing emissions,
Speaker 1: we also got a commitment from the EU. John, what
Speaker 1: was that? Yeah, So the EU today, Franz Timmermans, the
Speaker 1: EU's climate chief, came here today with a big announcement,
Speaker 1: or what he said was a big announcement that the
Speaker 1: EU will be able to cut emissions by fifty seven
Speaker 1: percent by the end of this decade. And that's an
Speaker 1: increase from fifty five percent. So it doesn't sound a lot,
Speaker 1: but for them, it's evidence that they're actually implementing their
Speaker 1: climate plans. So the key element of this particular thing
Speaker 1: is the carbon sinks. They've agreed to boost carbon sinks
Speaker 1: nature based solutions in the EU, and that means they
Speaker 1: can put forward a slightly higher target. And what did
Speaker 1: other delegations make off the EU's commitment. Well, I think
Speaker 1: the EU is in a very interesting role at this
Speaker 1: year's cop because is a continent that will be the
Speaker 1: first to reach climate neutrality by the middle of the century,
Speaker 1: but at the same time it finds itself mired in
Speaker 1: an energy crisis that's forcing it to go on a
Speaker 1: hunt for gas, a dash for gas, as some people
Speaker 1: like to say. So we saw our activists last week
Speaker 1: say that the EU and Germany in particular is using
Speaker 1: Africa as its gas station, so that's putting the EU
Speaker 1: in a bit of a difficult position. So for the EU,
Speaker 1: this is their chance to show that they are implementing
Speaker 1: their green goals. Whether it will move the needle match
Speaker 1: and negotiations, I don't think it will. And overnight we
Speaker 1: had a draft text on loss and damage, the big
Speaker 1: topic about how to get developed countries to provide money
Speaker 1: to developing countries as a compensation for climate impacts. That
Speaker 1: draft was met with quite a lot of skepticism. Greenpeace
Speaker 1: said it is a skeleton draft, but without a backbone,
Speaker 1: what do you make up that gem? Well, there's quite
Speaker 1: a lot to be filled in here. I mean, we're,
Speaker 1: you know, in the end game and I mix it metaphors,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot to be filled in in this skeleton,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's quite a lot of disagreement. We've
Speaker 1: seen some movement in just the recent days from the
Speaker 1: EU and some other parties suggesting that maybe a facility
Speaker 1: could be set up for loss and damage, but the
Speaker 1: US is still very much dug in. They are resistant
Speaker 1: to the idea of a new facility and a new
Speaker 1: funding stream to be resolved by the end of the Cup. Again,
Speaker 1: four days out from the end. We're at a tough
Speaker 1: place talking of not going in the right direction. We
Speaker 1: are in Egypt in a repressive regime and it has
Speaker 1: been a difficult time for activists. John, you've heard some
Speaker 1: stories directly from activists. What would they like? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I think firstly it's important to set out why activism
Speaker 1: is so important at COP summits, and that's because they
Speaker 1: really are a driver of more ambition when it comes
Speaker 1: to cutting emissions. Historically, the Middle Saturday has been where
Speaker 1: we've seen thousands of protesters marched through the streets in
Speaker 1: order to call for countries to do more. But what
Speaker 1: we've seen at this year's COP is happening in Charmel Shaik,
Speaker 1: which is sandwich between the desert and the sea. There's
Speaker 1: a wall around the city, there's a number of guards
Speaker 1: in suits looking out over the city, and we've seen NGO's.
Speaker 1: I've found it really really difficult to do what they
Speaker 1: normally do. That started weeks ago when hotels were already
Speaker 1: canceling and hiking prices for NGO's in particular, but we've
Speaker 1: seen that continue once this COP has started. So hotels
Speaker 1: have really started to price gouge, is what we've heard
Speaker 1: from a number of Joe sources. Room rates have tripled,
Speaker 1: leaving njo's in some cases out on the streets or
Speaker 1: trying to find rooms. But we've also seen other crackdowns
Speaker 1: on activities. The Middle Saturday protest, as I mentioned, normally
Speaker 1: ten thousand people on the streets. That's not been possible.
Speaker 1: At this year's conference, we saw a small protest, probably
Speaker 1: between five hundred and eight hundred protesters within the un venue.
Speaker 1: And because it's in the un venue, it takes on
Speaker 1: different rules and they're not allowed to cool people out
Speaker 1: by name or companies by name. So I think that's
Speaker 1: really stifled a lot of the NGO activism that we
Speaker 1: we've typically seen. Well, it's going to be a long
Speaker 1: few days and nights before there is an agreement among
Speaker 1: two hundred nations if there is one. Good luck for
Speaker 1: the remainder of the time, and thanks for coming on
Speaker 1: the show, Thank you, good luck to you. Actually, after
Speaker 1: the break, I speak to youth activists from Argentina, the
Speaker 1: United Arab Emirates, Sudan, Burundi and Uganda about how they
Speaker 1: are working to make change happen. Earlier this week, Bloomberg
Speaker 1: Quick Take reporter Jennifer Zaba Saja and I spoke with
Speaker 1: Vanessa Nakati, a climate activist from Uganda who was recently
Speaker 1: appointed a Goodwill ambassador for UNI SEF. Vanessa nakatak climate activist,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us here on Bloomberg.
Speaker 1: Happy to be here. So, Vanessa, I mean it now
Speaker 1: we're a weekend to cart talk to us about what
Speaker 1: it's been like. This is a different COP than you've
Speaker 1: been to before. You know, what I can say is
Speaker 1: that young people are not allowing you know, our leaders
Speaker 1: known to take action. We are demanding for climate justice
Speaker 1: and especially for the communities on the front lines of
Speaker 1: the climate crisis. Now Egypt. It was an African cop right,
Speaker 1: This is supposed to be where African issues are highlighted.
Speaker 1: Many many African leaders came and spoke. Do you think,
Speaker 1: as somebody from Uganda, that issues that are affecting Africa
Speaker 1: have been well represented? Well. Many people have been calling
Speaker 1: this an African cop and we really hope that it
Speaker 1: leaves up to that name. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that has been on their agenda or that has put
Speaker 1: on their agenda is the issue of loss and damage,
Speaker 1: and we know that the climate crisis is pushing so
Speaker 1: many communities beyond adaptation and that is where loss and
Speaker 1: damage comes in. And different activist groups and civil society
Speaker 1: has been calling for a loss and damage finance facility.
Speaker 1: So we really do hope that there is progress made
Speaker 1: on a loss and damage finance facility on this scope
Speaker 1: so that it can live up to you know, the
Speaker 1: name that it has been given, the African Cope, Well,
Speaker 1: what does that look like? The Overnessa? Because for a lot,
Speaker 1: I mean, depending on which country you're talking about, some
Speaker 1: leaders are not even really engaging with the way lost
Speaker 1: and damage is sort of being discussed here, and others
Speaker 1: are saying, you know, liability is not on the table
Speaker 1: and so like in the next few days, what does
Speaker 1: an adequate loss and damage you know, cop and agenda
Speaker 1: look like in your mind? Well, um, for so many
Speaker 1: you know, activists, many of us are not like loss
Speaker 1: and damage experts, We are not finance experts, but we
Speaker 1: know what is happening in our communities. We know what
Speaker 1: is happening, you know, in our countries, and we are
Speaker 1: using our voices and our platforms to talk about what
Speaker 1: we are doing or what we are seeing in our communities.
Speaker 1: For example, the you know, the flooding in Uganda, the
Speaker 1: flooding in Nigeria, in Pakistan, the cyclones that affect the
Speaker 1: southern part of the African continent. So that is what
Speaker 1: we are talking about, what we know and also you
Speaker 1: know what we've seen happen in our communities, and we
Speaker 1: hope that in these remaining days we can have something
Speaker 1: that can give us hope, you know, for addressing the
Speaker 1: loss and damage that is happening in communities right now.
Speaker 1: Many of the African leaders we spoke to the president
Speaker 1: of Mozambique, the president of Senegal, are continuing with building
Speaker 1: out fossil fuel projects. Senegal is going to get a
Speaker 1: gas projects is Muzambique. Same thing is happening in Uganda
Speaker 1: where they're building oil extraction and then a pipeline going
Speaker 1: through Tanzania. That's what your leaders are doing, That's what
Speaker 1: African country leaders are doing. They're saying, we need to
Speaker 1: develop our fossil fuels because it was the rich countries,
Speaker 1: the developed countries that polluted. You should allow us to pollude.
Speaker 1: How do you address this tension between needing energy even
Speaker 1: if it's fossil fuel energy by our own country leaders
Speaker 1: versus having to not allow these projects because that's what
Speaker 1: the climate demands. Yeah, you know, about six hundred million
Speaker 1: people in Sub Saharan Africa don't have access to basic electricity.
Speaker 1: But I also know that you know, for stale fuel
Speaker 1: corporations have for the kids promised that fosil fuel investments
Speaker 1: in Africa will lead to economic progress and development. But
Speaker 1: you can agree with me that we haven't seen that
Speaker 1: in some of the African countries where we've seen so
Speaker 1: few well investments. So it's obvious that this has been
Speaker 1: a lie from the fossil fuel companies that has been
Speaker 1: going gone for decades, and it is the same situation
Speaker 1: happening right now. Fosil fuel companies are promising jobs, they're
Speaker 1: promising development, but we carry no testimony of the investments
Speaker 1: that I've already done in the past decades on the
Speaker 1: African continent. That's why I believe that what African needs
Speaker 1: is renewable energy. When you see the fosil fuel investment
Speaker 1: or infrastructure, they never reached the person at the last mile.
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, some of the investments are
Speaker 1: coming because of the you know, the energy crisis in
Speaker 1: Europe or in the West. But then people only recognize
Speaker 1: an energy crisis because it's happening in Europe. But they
Speaker 1: never recognized an energy crisis when six hundred million people
Speaker 1: in Africa didn't have access to electricity, that was never
Speaker 1: referred to as an energy crisis. So I hope that
Speaker 1: people can understand that Europe deciding to come for gas
Speaker 1: in Senegal or you know, any other infrastructure on the
Speaker 1: African continent, it is for the interests of Europe and
Speaker 1: it's not for the interest of the people in Africa.
Speaker 1: Before coming to this COP, some activist Greater Tunberg included
Speaker 1: call it a green washing cop Why do you think
Speaker 1: that's the way to describe what is happening here, because
Speaker 1: a lot of people are coming here from two hundred
Speaker 1: countries trying to make progress even though progress is quite slow,
Speaker 1: should be called greenwashing. I mean, I can say we
Speaker 1: can find ourselves in a system that is completely greenwashing,
Speaker 1: that is completely use washing, but then we have to
Speaker 1: try and change that system and make it better. And
Speaker 1: you know, when you come from our community that is
Speaker 1: on the front lines of the clammate crisis, you have
Speaker 1: no other choice but to come and try and change
Speaker 1: the system. You have no other choice but to come
Speaker 1: and talk about what's happening in your community, but to
Speaker 1: speak from community that is on the front lines of
Speaker 1: the climmaate crisis. I think that it's not a matter
Speaker 1: of choice. We have to be here. We have to
Speaker 1: try and make things better for our communities and for
Speaker 1: our future. And talking of next year, we are going
Speaker 1: from Egypt, which is a gas exporting country, to Ue,
Speaker 1: which is an oil exporting country. It also has some gas.
Speaker 1: What are your feelings about going to another CORP where
Speaker 1: fossil fields will be very much a strong part of
Speaker 1: the presentation. There is something that I read recently and
Speaker 1: he said, if you're going to discuss about malaria, don't
Speaker 1: you invite the mosquitos. So yeah, I don't know who
Speaker 1: said that, but I've been hearing it even at the CORPS.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that it's very sad when we
Speaker 1: have like FORSU fuel corporations dominating the spaces in the corps,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's the very industry that is fueling
Speaker 1: the climate crisis. Thank you, a Essa, Thank you too.
Speaker 1: I also spoke to several activists at the Bloomberg Green
Speaker 1: event at COP twenty seven. They aren't just campaigning, but
Speaker 1: are also working on other concrete ways to tackle climate change.
Speaker 1: Is shark Osman started a philanthropic organization to fund those
Speaker 1: affected by climate impacts in Sudan. Delphin Kazi started a
Speaker 1: company that's making clean cooking fuel in Burundi. And el
Speaker 1: Weinthrob is a climate activist from Argentina who also runs
Speaker 1: climate education courses. I had the pleasure of being able
Speaker 1: to put together a book of edited essays of sixty
Speaker 1: activists from sixty different countries two years ago, and the
Speaker 1: most fascinating thing I found was they had such different stories,
Speaker 1: life stories to come to the point that they have.
Speaker 1: So Isha, can I start with you? What is it
Speaker 1: that brought you to working on climate issues? So? I
Speaker 1: come from Sudan, but I am based in the UAE
Speaker 1: and growing up outside Sudan and as a diasporic community generally,
Speaker 1: I really felt this responsibility towards what I can provide
Speaker 1: back home, and my climate journey really started with my
Speaker 1: bachelors and environmental sciences. I was very much aware of
Speaker 1: the situation in Sudan with regards to the flood crisis,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to know how much are people within
Speaker 1: the Sudanese context also trying to provide for themselves and
Speaker 1: how are they breaking barriers towards what the crisis that
Speaker 1: they're facing. And then just like three months ago, I
Speaker 1: got the chance to go to the Greenpeace Climate Justice
Speaker 1: Camp and that's when we got this idea where we
Speaker 1: saw that there's a reason why we are in the
Speaker 1: stagnant stage, and it's because we're not getting any accessibility
Speaker 1: to the right funding, to the right resources that will
Speaker 1: help us reach our potential. And that's where we decided,
Speaker 1: you know, if no one's going to stand up for us,
Speaker 1: will stand up for ourselves. We will try to change
Speaker 1: the philantropic pathway that is so inaccessible to many of
Speaker 1: us now. El we are in a country where protests
Speaker 1: are not impossible, and yet cup meetings, which are essentially
Speaker 1: synonymous with protests is happening here. What does it mean
Speaker 1: like for you to be able to make it to
Speaker 1: Channel Cheke? So it's been quite complicated. The first thing
Speaker 1: you need to solve if you want to participate in
Speaker 1: a conference like this to enter the blue zone is
Speaker 1: accreditation and getting accreditation for youth can be quite difficult. Luckily,
Speaker 1: in my government this year from our Entina, they gave
Speaker 1: us badges as part of a party overflow credentials, and
Speaker 1: one solve the credentials comes the real complicated part, which
Speaker 1: is gathering the funding, especially if you're from the global
Speaker 1: South and you're young. Less than one percent of climate
Speaker 1: funding from grants, from foundations and different initiatives go to
Speaker 1: youth lead initiatives, and most of that is concentrated in
Speaker 1: the US, so if you're from Martentina like me, it
Speaker 1: can be quite a hassle to gather the funding. To
Speaker 1: be able to come here, I had to basically get
Speaker 1: small pots of goals from different persons and one people
Speaker 1: who were able to buy the fights and another is
Speaker 1: able to help with the housing and specifically housing here.
Speaker 1: There you can see a very concrete way of how
Speaker 1: unequal the climate world is in terms of the differences
Speaker 1: between the global North from the global South. I'm staying
Speaker 1: in the Tulipin, which is the hotel that is subsidized
Speaker 1: by the Institution government. We arrived there and many of
Speaker 1: the places were overbooked, so people were literally being rejected
Speaker 1: there when they arrived after having spent thousands of dollars
Speaker 1: and lots of times and months of planning to be
Speaker 1: able to get here. We're all from the global salth
Speaker 1: in that hotel, and so accessibility really for the financing
Speaker 1: and the credentials can be quite difficult at times. And
Speaker 1: how has it been the first few days in terms
Speaker 1: of being able to protest? They know, we've seen sporadic
Speaker 1: photos of some protests being allowed inside the blue zone.
Speaker 1: But compare your experience back in COP twenty six to
Speaker 1: what it is now in COP twenty seven, and how
Speaker 1: do you feel the difference beyond the logistical challenges of
Speaker 1: getting here. So, in COP twenty six, I remember there
Speaker 1: being interventions and direct actions constantly, multiple times a day,
Speaker 1: and then of course a huge youth strike on Friday
Speaker 1: and an even bigger intersectional coalition led strike on Saturday,
Speaker 1: which in total mobilized between both I meanbe like three
Speaker 1: hundred four hundred thousand people. This time, there probably won't
Speaker 1: be any mobilization or any strike outside, if it is,
Speaker 1: will be very small. I haven't seen even one direct
Speaker 1: action or protest inside the venue. I think I saw
Speaker 1: one outside. But this is also one of the contradictions
Speaker 1: that I've seen at cop in the sense of the
Speaker 1: things that we're usually protesting for is money for adaptation,
Speaker 1: money for loss and damages and trend set of reparations,
Speaker 1: and the Egyptian government, being part of Africa, being one
Speaker 1: of the countries that is suffering climate violence firsthand, has
Speaker 1: been pushing really hard for adaptation and loss and damages
Speaker 1: to be in the negotiating tables. And so there's that
Speaker 1: contradiction in the sense of there's no protests and suddenly
Speaker 1: there's being advances in adaption and loss and damages. So
Speaker 1: that's been quite confusing to be honest. And Kasey, now,
Speaker 1: you started off as an activist, but very quickly through
Speaker 1: your experience in Burundi, you moved on to business as
Speaker 1: a solution. I started as a climate activist as I
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to be a student in environmental sciences
Speaker 1: at university. At that time, I realized how we are
Speaker 1: facing an arming rate of deforestation where we were losing
Speaker 1: about between five thousand and seven thousand hectares of forest
Speaker 1: cover in our country. Peria. We organized some conferences, some
Speaker 1: campaigns in my community, but the question was, yes, you
Speaker 1: told us about we should change, what to use in cooking,
Speaker 1: but where is the alternative? And I decide at the
Speaker 1: time that my activists should be accompanied by concrete actions,
Speaker 1: and then I founded Kaze Green Economy, which is a
Speaker 1: green cooking company. And indoor cooking, which is very common,
Speaker 1: kills four and a half million people annually and that's
Speaker 1: just because of all the films are generated from burning
Speaker 1: inefficiently the words. So wood burning is still a solution,
Speaker 1: but clear in cooking allows for those particular matter pollution
Speaker 1: to not be affected and thus help with health. Not
Speaker 1: just access to energy. He told me that access to
Speaker 1: electricity in Burundy is still seven percent, which is only
Speaker 1: seven percent of the population has access to electricity. So
Speaker 1: energy access has been an issue that we've talked about
Speaker 1: here at cop quite a bit. You know. The numbers
Speaker 1: are something like half of the population in Africa doesn't
Speaker 1: have access to electricity. Burundi is an extreme case. What
Speaker 1: is it that you have to when you go out
Speaker 1: and you talk about climate change in those circumstances, what
Speaker 1: kind of reactions do you get from community? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very complicated about universe access on energy. In Oma count three,
Speaker 1: as you said, just the seven percent of the population
Speaker 1: is access on electricity, and that is also what pushed
Speaker 1: us also to invest in a sora electrification, especially in
Speaker 1: a remote area, to see what we can bring as
Speaker 1: a change in our community. We did some campaigns in
Speaker 1: the real area, but we find those people they don't
Speaker 1: know or really about crimate change, but there are other
Speaker 1: really issues they are facing their dairy life. So we decide,
Speaker 1: let's raising awareness in that community, but also bringing some
Speaker 1: concrete solutions. People should cook with some clean cooking energy solutions.
Speaker 1: People should have access on electricity, because those are some
Speaker 1: pillars to baste golopment. Absolutely. Now it's you know, we're
Speaker 1: coming to the end of the first working week, it's
Speaker 1: been four or five days. Do you think the topics
Speaker 1: that you had in mind are being discussed and are
Speaker 1: being given the platform that they deserve. So obviously lost
Speaker 1: and damage was one of the most important points that
Speaker 1: needed to be I mean, if Carp didn't bring that up,
Speaker 1: then we would have been just super disappointed. And I
Speaker 1: mean every year we hear about cop Okay and we
Speaker 1: want to have expectations, but at the same time, it's
Speaker 1: like we want to ensure that we are staying realistic
Speaker 1: regarding the situation. And that really it's us that has
Speaker 1: to fend for ourselves. Really, so I am kind of
Speaker 1: happy to hear that. I don't know if I should
Speaker 1: celebrate it yet. Today I was attending this event with
Speaker 1: where the Climate Resilience Fund Climate Justice Resilience Funds were
Speaker 1: talking and they were also speaking about how we don't
Speaker 1: even have philanthropy for a loss and damage, so maybe
Speaker 1: we want to ensure that. So maybe Copton is seven
Speaker 1: did bring that kind of dialogue into our discourse and
Speaker 1: what's missing that you would like more conversations on transparency,
Speaker 1: how much we can actually see that this is happening.
Speaker 1: They were also speaking in the Climate Finance meeting today
Speaker 1: where everyone's disappointed with the fact that there's no executive
Speaker 1: summary for this situation and the climate financing issue, and
Speaker 1: we need to know how is that funding going to
Speaker 1: take place. We need to know how is it going
Speaker 1: to reach the people that require it the most, and
Speaker 1: at the same time that they're not going to be
Speaker 1: facing a lot of barriers or obstacles on the way.
Speaker 1: And this is where you know, our grassroot movements need
Speaker 1: to be at the front of this dialogue. They're the
Speaker 1: ones that should be leading this because it's them that
Speaker 1: we want to fund. Now, talking of governments, you said
Speaker 1: you got access to the blue Zone through the Argentinian
Speaker 1: government delegation, but have they been supportive of the work
Speaker 1: you've done in general? You know, is there a dialogue
Speaker 1: that you have with the government that is open and
Speaker 1: clear and easy enough? Yes from you. For climate Argentina,
Speaker 1: we do have a dialogue with different areas of the government,
Speaker 1: to be at the National Argentinian or some local governments
Speaker 1: as well. But from that dialogue transforming into concrete climate action,
Speaker 1: it's very difficult. Argentina right now has a poverty rate
Speaker 1: close to fifty percent and inflation rate close to one
Speaker 1: hundred percent annually, so basically the agenda is somewhere else.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to push through the message that it's
Speaker 1: impossible to solve poverty and achieve social justice without including
Speaker 1: a climate perspective and concrete solutions to environmental issues. And
Speaker 1: so in that sense, we have dialogue of summaries of
Speaker 1: the government. They're open many times to listen to what
Speaker 1: we have to say. We even have very decent environmental
Speaker 1: laws in Argentina, but it's an implementation where it becomes
Speaker 1: very difficult in terms of government penetration, it being able
Speaker 1: to actually implement those laws that it passes. And so
Speaker 1: that's a lot with what we've been working on in
Speaker 1: the last few years of You for Climate is being
Speaker 1: able to develop local capabilities so that where the government
Speaker 1: doesn't reach, while local organizations and NGOs and advocacy organizations
Speaker 1: like You for Climate can help push that forward. Now
Speaker 1: the UA is going to host COP twenty eight. What
Speaker 1: expectations do you have going into next to your scup,
Speaker 1: which is going to be where you live now, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So growing up in the UAE, I think in the
Speaker 1: past five to six years, the environment has become a
Speaker 1: really strong base and they've really involved the youth in that.
Speaker 1: I could say the network that's found in the Arab
Speaker 1: Youth Council for instance, for a climate change, it has
Speaker 1: a potential to bring not just the capabilities, but the
Speaker 1: literacy to even speak about this, to even kind of
Speaker 1: indicate what sort of ways that we can help our
Speaker 1: impacted areas in the Mena region, And that obviously involves
Speaker 1: Dan and I would love to know, you know, how
Speaker 1: much our Pseudanese youth are going to be part of that,
Speaker 1: how much our ideas, our solutions, our research, also the
Speaker 1: idea of because I come from a scientific background as well,
Speaker 1: I want to know how we can transform the science
Speaker 1: into policy, how it can be strengthened in its communication,
Speaker 1: because it's honestly what we have to study in the
Speaker 1: next few years and what we have to study now
Speaker 1: for sure, but there are coming years of inhabitable conditions,
Speaker 1: and our policies need to make sure that we are
Speaker 1: not doing anything to bring that closer to us now.
Speaker 1: It's there are lots of people here who've been hearing
Speaker 1: from many, many different agenda and voices. If you were
Speaker 1: to leave them with one thing that they should remember,
Speaker 1: what is it that you would like them to know?
Speaker 1: I would say, kind of reflect in your human nature
Speaker 1: while you're here today, the situation that you've come from,
Speaker 1: and then compare that with people that are facing this
Speaker 1: issue in a thousand times worse, people that are displaced
Speaker 1: by situation that they didn't choose to be in, that situation,
Speaker 1: didn't even contribute to that situation. Compare yourself and then
Speaker 1: you will feel that responsibility. Because that's how I felt.
Speaker 1: I lived my whole life in the UAE. I don't
Speaker 1: live in Sudan. But I did go to Sudan, and
Speaker 1: I had to shift to really see what's going on.
Speaker 1: And suddenly I'm so aware of that life that I'm
Speaker 1: not living, and that life that I should have the
Speaker 1: responsibility to support. Oh value, Yeah, we have seven years
Speaker 1: to reduce greenhouse emissions in forty five. That means we
Speaker 1: need to accelerate processes as much as possible, and we
Speaker 1: need to help young people and young organizations develop the
Speaker 1: capability to be able to help push forward those transformations.
Speaker 1: And in that sense, we need you to champion us.
Speaker 1: We need you to open doors, We need a mentorship,
Speaker 1: We need you to be able to present us with
Speaker 1: the right connections in order for us to do the
Speaker 1: rest of the work. Because we know how to do it.
Speaker 1: We know how to pitch, we know how to develop initiatives,
Speaker 1: we can make a beautiful deck. We just need a
Speaker 1: little bit of help helping to make those connections that
Speaker 1: it's really difficult to get if you're young, if you're
Speaker 1: from the global self, in order for us to be
Speaker 1: able to accelerate those processes and help make the world
Speaker 1: for us and for you a slightly better place, because
Speaker 1: for me, the green economy is the only opportunity that
Speaker 1: we have to survive is the opportunity to create jobs.
Speaker 1: It's the opportunity we have to make this ords sustainable.
Speaker 1: So and the green economy start with changing our mindset
Speaker 1: with what we consume, what we produce, what we use
Speaker 1: in our daily life. Thank you, Erica, you Tat, Thanks
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