1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to zero. I'm Akshatrati in Charmel Shaker. World leaders 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: are committing things that they know they're not going to 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: be there for. If you're going to discuss about malaria, 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: don't you miite the mosquitoes. It is us who want 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: to be there. It's us who are facing every day, 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: the hurricanes, the flaws that droughts, the femines. We know 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: how to pitch, we know how to develop initiatives. We 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: can make a beautiful deck. We just need a little 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: bit of help. They'll make those connections that it's really 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: difficult to get. If you're young, if you're from the 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: global South, you cannot rule a dead planet. The second 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: week of COP is underway. Negotiations on loss and damage 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: and climate financing are going to heat up. Whether the 14 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: so called implementation COP will live up to its promise 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: will be answered this week. Over the past few days, though, 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: I've been talking to youth activists about how they are 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: engaging with this COP which is happening in a repressive country, 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: how that reflects the broader challenge of activism, and what 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: they are doing to make changes in their own countries. 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: But first I'm talking with my bloom Book colleagues John 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: Ainger and Jenda Louis about what's happening on the ground. Jen, John, welcome, 22 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you. Now, Jen, you've been the reporter 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: who's taken the hardest hits from Charmel Shake. You've had 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: food poisoning, you've had mosquito bites. Now you're getting a 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: little bit of a cold. Asking you how cops going 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: is going to be a hard question. You can't complain 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: too much being in a seaside resort town. But I 28 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: will say that the mosquitoes have been pretty pesky. I've 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: counted one hundred thirty three bites and I'm hoping I 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: don't reach higher levels today, but you know it's taken 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: its toll. Yeah, John, you've had a better time. I think, yes, 32 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean you couldn't get a much more 33 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: different location from Glasgow. There's definitely an increase in temperature 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: of about twenty degrees CE. So can't complain too much 35 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: on that front. Now, let's talk news because there's been 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: quite a bit today. Jen. There was a large announcement 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: of twenty billion dollars going to Indonesia under this so 38 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: called just Energy Transition partnership. You already had the news 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: last week, we did, and we had that affirm today. 40 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big, big deal. It's the 41 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: largest international climate finance package of its kind, twenty billion 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: dollars going to Indonesia to help them get rid of 43 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: coal plants and bring on renewable power. You know, the 44 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: US and Japan really were the core countries developing this 45 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: project with the Indonesia over the last year, but they're 46 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: nine countries and the UK involved in total. And it 47 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: also is going to bring in private finance. So basically 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: it's twenty billion dollars split ten billion by the government 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: partners and ten billion from members of g fans the 50 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: banks and asset managers that are part of that, and 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: they're they're pledging to really work hard and work fast. 52 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: The hope here is that this will be off the 53 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: ground in the next six months. And the theme of 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: this cop has been show me the money, and so 55 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: there's real money this time. And if Indonesia gets it right, 56 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: they will bring forward the peak of their emissions from 57 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: twenty thirty eight to twenty thirty That would be quite 58 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: the win. Now, talking of peaking emissions or reducing emissions, 59 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: we also got a commitment from the EU. John, what 60 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: was that? Yeah, So the EU today, Franz Timmermans, the 61 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: EU's climate chief, came here today with a big announcement, 62 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: or what he said was a big announcement that the 63 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: EU will be able to cut emissions by fifty seven 64 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: percent by the end of this decade. And that's an 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: increase from fifty five percent. So it doesn't sound a lot, 66 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: but for them, it's evidence that they're actually implementing their 67 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: climate plans. So the key element of this particular thing 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: is the carbon sinks. They've agreed to boost carbon sinks 69 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: nature based solutions in the EU, and that means they 70 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: can put forward a slightly higher target. And what did 71 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: other delegations make off the EU's commitment. Well, I think 72 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: the EU is in a very interesting role at this 73 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: year's cop because is a continent that will be the 74 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: first to reach climate neutrality by the middle of the century, 75 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: but at the same time it finds itself mired in 76 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: an energy crisis that's forcing it to go on a 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: hunt for gas, a dash for gas, as some people 78 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: like to say. So we saw our activists last week 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: say that the EU and Germany in particular is using 80 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: Africa as its gas station, so that's putting the EU 81 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: in a bit of a difficult position. So for the EU, 82 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: this is their chance to show that they are implementing 83 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: their green goals. Whether it will move the needle match 84 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: and negotiations, I don't think it will. And overnight we 85 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: had a draft text on loss and damage, the big 86 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: topic about how to get developed countries to provide money 87 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: to developing countries as a compensation for climate impacts. That 88 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: draft was met with quite a lot of skepticism. Greenpeace 89 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: said it is a skeleton draft, but without a backbone, 90 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: what do you make up that gem? Well, there's quite 91 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: a lot to be filled in here. I mean, we're, 92 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, in the end game and I mix it metaphors, 93 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: but there's a lot to be filled in in this skeleton, 94 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: and you know, there's quite a lot of disagreement. We've 95 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: seen some movement in just the recent days from the 96 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: EU and some other parties suggesting that maybe a facility 97 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: could be set up for loss and damage, but the 98 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: US is still very much dug in. They are resistant 99 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: to the idea of a new facility and a new 100 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: funding stream to be resolved by the end of the Cup. Again, 101 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: four days out from the end. We're at a tough 102 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: place talking of not going in the right direction. We 103 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: are in Egypt in a repressive regime and it has 104 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: been a difficult time for activists. John, you've heard some 105 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: stories directly from activists. What would they like? Yeah, So 106 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: I think firstly it's important to set out why activism 107 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: is so important at COP summits, and that's because they 108 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: really are a driver of more ambition when it comes 109 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: to cutting emissions. Historically, the Middle Saturday has been where 110 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: we've seen thousands of protesters marched through the streets in 111 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: order to call for countries to do more. But what 112 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: we've seen at this year's COP is happening in Charmel Shaik, 113 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: which is sandwich between the desert and the sea. There's 114 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: a wall around the city, there's a number of guards 115 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: in suits looking out over the city, and we've seen NGO's. 116 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: I've found it really really difficult to do what they 117 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: normally do. That started weeks ago when hotels were already 118 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: canceling and hiking prices for NGO's in particular, but we've 119 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: seen that continue once this COP has started. So hotels 120 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: have really started to price gouge, is what we've heard 121 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: from a number of Joe sources. Room rates have tripled, 122 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: leaving njo's in some cases out on the streets or 123 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: trying to find rooms. But we've also seen other crackdowns 124 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: on activities. The Middle Saturday protest, as I mentioned, normally 125 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: ten thousand people on the streets. That's not been possible. 126 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: At this year's conference, we saw a small protest, probably 127 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: between five hundred and eight hundred protesters within the un venue. 128 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: And because it's in the un venue, it takes on 129 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: different rules and they're not allowed to cool people out 130 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: by name or companies by name. So I think that's 131 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: really stifled a lot of the NGO activism that we 132 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: we've typically seen. Well, it's going to be a long 133 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: few days and nights before there is an agreement among 134 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: two hundred nations if there is one. Good luck for 135 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: the remainder of the time, and thanks for coming on 136 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: the show, Thank you, good luck to you. Actually, after 137 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: the break, I speak to youth activists from Argentina, the 138 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: United Arab Emirates, Sudan, Burundi and Uganda about how they 139 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: are working to make change happen. Earlier this week, Bloomberg 140 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: Quick Take reporter Jennifer Zaba Saja and I spoke with 141 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: Vanessa Nakati, a climate activist from Uganda who was recently 142 00:07:55,080 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: appointed a Goodwill ambassador for UNI SEF. Vanessa nakatak climate activist, 143 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us here on Bloomberg. 144 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 1: Happy to be here. So, Vanessa, I mean it now 145 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: we're a weekend to cart talk to us about what 146 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: it's been like. This is a different COP than you've 147 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: been to before. You know, what I can say is 148 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: that young people are not allowing you know, our leaders 149 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: known to take action. We are demanding for climate justice 150 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: and especially for the communities on the front lines of 151 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: the climate crisis. Now Egypt. It was an African cop right, 152 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: This is supposed to be where African issues are highlighted. 153 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: Many many African leaders came and spoke. Do you think, 154 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: as somebody from Uganda, that issues that are affecting Africa 155 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: have been well represented? Well. Many people have been calling 156 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: this an African cop and we really hope that it 157 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: leaves up to that name. And one of the things 158 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: that has been on their agenda or that has put 159 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: on their agenda is the issue of loss and damage, 160 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: and we know that the climate crisis is pushing so 161 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: many communities beyond adaptation and that is where loss and 162 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: damage comes in. And different activist groups and civil society 163 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: has been calling for a loss and damage finance facility. 164 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: So we really do hope that there is progress made 165 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: on a loss and damage finance facility on this scope 166 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: so that it can live up to you know, the 167 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: name that it has been given, the African Cope, Well, 168 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: what does that look like? The Overnessa? Because for a lot, 169 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean, depending on which country you're talking about, some 170 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: leaders are not even really engaging with the way lost 171 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: and damage is sort of being discussed here, and others 172 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: are saying, you know, liability is not on the table 173 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: and so like in the next few days, what does 174 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: an adequate loss and damage you know, cop and agenda 175 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: look like in your mind? Well, um, for so many 176 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, activists, many of us are not like loss 177 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: and damage experts, We are not finance experts, but we 178 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: know what is happening in our communities. We know what 179 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: is happening, you know, in our countries, and we are 180 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: using our voices and our platforms to talk about what 181 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: we are doing or what we are seeing in our communities. 182 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: For example, the you know, the flooding in Uganda, the 183 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: flooding in Nigeria, in Pakistan, the cyclones that affect the 184 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: southern part of the African continent. So that is what 185 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: we are talking about, what we know and also you 186 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: know what we've seen happen in our communities, and we 187 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: hope that in these remaining days we can have something 188 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: that can give us hope, you know, for addressing the 189 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: loss and damage that is happening in communities right now. 190 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: Many of the African leaders we spoke to the president 191 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: of Mozambique, the president of Senegal, are continuing with building 192 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: out fossil fuel projects. Senegal is going to get a 193 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: gas projects is Muzambique. Same thing is happening in Uganda 194 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: where they're building oil extraction and then a pipeline going 195 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: through Tanzania. That's what your leaders are doing, That's what 196 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: African country leaders are doing. They're saying, we need to 197 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: develop our fossil fuels because it was the rich countries, 198 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: the developed countries that polluted. You should allow us to pollude. 199 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: How do you address this tension between needing energy even 200 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: if it's fossil fuel energy by our own country leaders 201 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: versus having to not allow these projects because that's what 202 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: the climate demands. Yeah, you know, about six hundred million 203 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: people in Sub Saharan Africa don't have access to basic electricity. 204 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: But I also know that you know, for stale fuel 205 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: corporations have for the kids promised that fosil fuel investments 206 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: in Africa will lead to economic progress and development. But 207 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: you can agree with me that we haven't seen that 208 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: in some of the African countries where we've seen so 209 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: few well investments. So it's obvious that this has been 210 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: a lie from the fossil fuel companies that has been 211 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: going gone for decades, and it is the same situation 212 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: happening right now. Fosil fuel companies are promising jobs, they're 213 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: promising development, but we carry no testimony of the investments 214 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: that I've already done in the past decades on the 215 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: African continent. That's why I believe that what African needs 216 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: is renewable energy. When you see the fosil fuel investment 217 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: or infrastructure, they never reached the person at the last mile. 218 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: And of course, you know, some of the investments are 219 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: coming because of the you know, the energy crisis in 220 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: Europe or in the West. But then people only recognize 221 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: an energy crisis because it's happening in Europe. But they 222 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: never recognized an energy crisis when six hundred million people 223 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: in Africa didn't have access to electricity, that was never 224 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: referred to as an energy crisis. So I hope that 225 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: people can understand that Europe deciding to come for gas 226 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: in Senegal or you know, any other infrastructure on the 227 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: African continent, it is for the interests of Europe and 228 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: it's not for the interest of the people in Africa. 229 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: Before coming to this COP, some activist Greater Tunberg included 230 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: call it a green washing cop Why do you think 231 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: that's the way to describe what is happening here, because 232 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people are coming here from two hundred 233 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: countries trying to make progress even though progress is quite slow, 234 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: should be called greenwashing. I mean, I can say we 235 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: can find ourselves in a system that is completely greenwashing, 236 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: that is completely use washing, but then we have to 237 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: try and change that system and make it better. And 238 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, when you come from our community that is 239 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: on the front lines of the clammate crisis, you have 240 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: no other choice but to come and try and change 241 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: the system. You have no other choice but to come 242 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: and talk about what's happening in your community, but to 243 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: speak from community that is on the front lines of 244 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: the climmaate crisis. I think that it's not a matter 245 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: of choice. We have to be here. We have to 246 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: try and make things better for our communities and for 247 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: our future. And talking of next year, we are going 248 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: from Egypt, which is a gas exporting country, to Ue, 249 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: which is an oil exporting country. It also has some gas. 250 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: What are your feelings about going to another CORP where 251 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: fossil fields will be very much a strong part of 252 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: the presentation. There is something that I read recently and 253 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: he said, if you're going to discuss about malaria, don't 254 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: you invite the mosquitos. So yeah, I don't know who 255 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: said that, but I've been hearing it even at the CORPS. 256 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: So I don't think that it's very sad when we 257 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: have like FORSU fuel corporations dominating the spaces in the corps, 258 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: because you know, it's the very industry that is fueling 259 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: the climate crisis. Thank you, a Essa, Thank you too. 260 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: I also spoke to several activists at the Bloomberg Green 261 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: event at COP twenty seven. They aren't just campaigning, but 262 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: are also working on other concrete ways to tackle climate change. 263 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: Is shark Osman started a philanthropic organization to fund those 264 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: affected by climate impacts in Sudan. Delphin Kazi started a 265 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: company that's making clean cooking fuel in Burundi. And el 266 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: Weinthrob is a climate activist from Argentina who also runs 267 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: climate education courses. I had the pleasure of being able 268 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: to put together a book of edited essays of sixty 269 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: activists from sixty different countries two years ago, and the 270 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: most fascinating thing I found was they had such different stories, 271 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: life stories to come to the point that they have. 272 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: So Isha, can I start with you? What is it 273 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: that brought you to working on climate issues? So? I 274 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: come from Sudan, but I am based in the UAE 275 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: and growing up outside Sudan and as a diasporic community generally, 276 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: I really felt this responsibility towards what I can provide 277 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: back home, and my climate journey really started with my 278 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: bachelors and environmental sciences. I was very much aware of 279 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: the situation in Sudan with regards to the flood crisis, 280 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: and I wanted to know how much are people within 281 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: the Sudanese context also trying to provide for themselves and 282 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: how are they breaking barriers towards what the crisis that 283 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: they're facing. And then just like three months ago, I 284 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: got the chance to go to the Greenpeace Climate Justice 285 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: Camp and that's when we got this idea where we 286 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 1: saw that there's a reason why we are in the 287 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: stagnant stage, and it's because we're not getting any accessibility 288 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: to the right funding, to the right resources that will 289 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: help us reach our potential. And that's where we decided, 290 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, if no one's going to stand up for us, 291 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: will stand up for ourselves. We will try to change 292 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: the philantropic pathway that is so inaccessible to many of 293 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: us now. El we are in a country where protests 294 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: are not impossible, and yet cup meetings, which are essentially 295 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: synonymous with protests is happening here. What does it mean 296 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: like for you to be able to make it to 297 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: Channel Cheke? So it's been quite complicated. The first thing 298 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: you need to solve if you want to participate in 299 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: a conference like this to enter the blue zone is 300 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: accreditation and getting accreditation for youth can be quite difficult. Luckily, 301 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: in my government this year from our Entina, they gave 302 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: us badges as part of a party overflow credentials, and 303 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: one solve the credentials comes the real complicated part, which 304 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: is gathering the funding, especially if you're from the global 305 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: South and you're young. Less than one percent of climate 306 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: funding from grants, from foundations and different initiatives go to 307 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: youth lead initiatives, and most of that is concentrated in 308 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: the US, so if you're from Martentina like me, it 309 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: can be quite a hassle to gather the funding. To 310 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: be able to come here, I had to basically get 311 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: small pots of goals from different persons and one people 312 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: who were able to buy the fights and another is 313 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: able to help with the housing and specifically housing here. 314 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: There you can see a very concrete way of how 315 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: unequal the climate world is in terms of the differences 316 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: between the global North from the global South. I'm staying 317 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: in the Tulipin, which is the hotel that is subsidized 318 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: by the Institution government. We arrived there and many of 319 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: the places were overbooked, so people were literally being rejected 320 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: there when they arrived after having spent thousands of dollars 321 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: and lots of times and months of planning to be 322 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: able to get here. We're all from the global salth 323 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: in that hotel, and so accessibility really for the financing 324 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: and the credentials can be quite difficult at times. And 325 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: how has it been the first few days in terms 326 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: of being able to protest? They know, we've seen sporadic 327 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: photos of some protests being allowed inside the blue zone. 328 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: But compare your experience back in COP twenty six to 329 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: what it is now in COP twenty seven, and how 330 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: do you feel the difference beyond the logistical challenges of 331 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: getting here. So, in COP twenty six, I remember there 332 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: being interventions and direct actions constantly, multiple times a day, 333 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: and then of course a huge youth strike on Friday 334 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: and an even bigger intersectional coalition led strike on Saturday, 335 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: which in total mobilized between both I meanbe like three 336 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: hundred four hundred thousand people. This time, there probably won't 337 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: be any mobilization or any strike outside, if it is, 338 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: will be very small. I haven't seen even one direct 339 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: action or protest inside the venue. I think I saw 340 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: one outside. But this is also one of the contradictions 341 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: that I've seen at cop in the sense of the 342 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: things that we're usually protesting for is money for adaptation, 343 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: money for loss and damages and trend set of reparations, 344 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: and the Egyptian government, being part of Africa, being one 345 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: of the countries that is suffering climate violence firsthand, has 346 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: been pushing really hard for adaptation and loss and damages 347 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: to be in the negotiating tables. And so there's that 348 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: contradiction in the sense of there's no protests and suddenly 349 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: there's being advances in adaption and loss and damages. So 350 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: that's been quite confusing to be honest. And Kasey, now, 351 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: you started off as an activist, but very quickly through 352 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: your experience in Burundi, you moved on to business as 353 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: a solution. I started as a climate activist as I 354 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: got the opportunity to be a student in environmental sciences 355 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: at university. At that time, I realized how we are 356 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: facing an arming rate of deforestation where we were losing 357 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: about between five thousand and seven thousand hectares of forest 358 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: cover in our country. Peria. We organized some conferences, some 359 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: campaigns in my community, but the question was, yes, you 360 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: told us about we should change, what to use in cooking, 361 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: but where is the alternative? And I decide at the 362 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: time that my activists should be accompanied by concrete actions, 363 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: and then I founded Kaze Green Economy, which is a 364 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 1: green cooking company. And indoor cooking, which is very common, 365 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: kills four and a half million people annually and that's 366 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: just because of all the films are generated from burning 367 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: inefficiently the words. So wood burning is still a solution, 368 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: but clear in cooking allows for those particular matter pollution 369 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: to not be affected and thus help with health. Not 370 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: just access to energy. He told me that access to 371 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: electricity in Burundy is still seven percent, which is only 372 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: seven percent of the population has access to electricity. So 373 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: energy access has been an issue that we've talked about 374 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: here at cop quite a bit. You know. The numbers 375 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: are something like half of the population in Africa doesn't 376 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: have access to electricity. Burundi is an extreme case. What 377 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: is it that you have to when you go out 378 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: and you talk about climate change in those circumstances, what 379 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: kind of reactions do you get from community? Yeah, it's 380 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: very complicated about universe access on energy. In Oma count three, 381 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: as you said, just the seven percent of the population 382 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: is access on electricity, and that is also what pushed 383 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: us also to invest in a sora electrification, especially in 384 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: a remote area, to see what we can bring as 385 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: a change in our community. We did some campaigns in 386 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: the real area, but we find those people they don't 387 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: know or really about crimate change, but there are other 388 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: really issues they are facing their dairy life. So we decide, 389 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: let's raising awareness in that community, but also bringing some 390 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: concrete solutions. People should cook with some clean cooking energy solutions. 391 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: People should have access on electricity, because those are some 392 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: pillars to baste golopment. Absolutely. Now it's you know, we're 393 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: coming to the end of the first working week, it's 394 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: been four or five days. Do you think the topics 395 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: that you had in mind are being discussed and are 396 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: being given the platform that they deserve. So obviously lost 397 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: and damage was one of the most important points that 398 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: needed to be I mean, if Carp didn't bring that up, 399 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: then we would have been just super disappointed. And I 400 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: mean every year we hear about cop Okay and we 401 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: want to have expectations, but at the same time, it's 402 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: like we want to ensure that we are staying realistic 403 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: regarding the situation. And that really it's us that has 404 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: to fend for ourselves. Really, so I am kind of 405 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: happy to hear that. I don't know if I should 406 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: celebrate it yet. Today I was attending this event with 407 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: where the Climate Resilience Fund Climate Justice Resilience Funds were 408 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: talking and they were also speaking about how we don't 409 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: even have philanthropy for a loss and damage, so maybe 410 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: we want to ensure that. So maybe Copton is seven 411 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: did bring that kind of dialogue into our discourse and 412 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: what's missing that you would like more conversations on transparency, 413 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: how much we can actually see that this is happening. 414 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: They were also speaking in the Climate Finance meeting today 415 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: where everyone's disappointed with the fact that there's no executive 416 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: summary for this situation and the climate financing issue, and 417 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: we need to know how is that funding going to 418 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: take place. We need to know how is it going 419 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: to reach the people that require it the most, and 420 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: at the same time that they're not going to be 421 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: facing a lot of barriers or obstacles on the way. 422 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: And this is where you know, our grassroot movements need 423 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: to be at the front of this dialogue. They're the 424 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: ones that should be leading this because it's them that 425 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: we want to fund. Now, talking of governments, you said 426 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: you got access to the blue Zone through the Argentinian 427 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: government delegation, but have they been supportive of the work 428 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: you've done in general? You know, is there a dialogue 429 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: that you have with the government that is open and 430 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: clear and easy enough? Yes from you. For climate Argentina, 431 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: we do have a dialogue with different areas of the government, 432 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: to be at the National Argentinian or some local governments 433 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: as well. But from that dialogue transforming into concrete climate action, 434 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: it's very difficult. Argentina right now has a poverty rate 435 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: close to fifty percent and inflation rate close to one 436 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: hundred percent annually, so basically the agenda is somewhere else. 437 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: It's very hard to push through the message that it's 438 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: impossible to solve poverty and achieve social justice without including 439 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: a climate perspective and concrete solutions to environmental issues. And 440 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: so in that sense, we have dialogue of summaries of 441 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: the government. They're open many times to listen to what 442 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: we have to say. We even have very decent environmental 443 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: laws in Argentina, but it's an implementation where it becomes 444 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: very difficult in terms of government penetration, it being able 445 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: to actually implement those laws that it passes. And so 446 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: that's a lot with what we've been working on in 447 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: the last few years of You for Climate is being 448 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: able to develop local capabilities so that where the government 449 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: doesn't reach, while local organizations and NGOs and advocacy organizations 450 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: like You for Climate can help push that forward. Now 451 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: the UA is going to host COP twenty eight. What 452 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: expectations do you have going into next to your scup, 453 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: which is going to be where you live now, right, Yeah, 454 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: So growing up in the UAE, I think in the 455 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: past five to six years, the environment has become a 456 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: really strong base and they've really involved the youth in that. 457 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: I could say the network that's found in the Arab 458 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: Youth Council for instance, for a climate change, it has 459 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: a potential to bring not just the capabilities, but the 460 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: literacy to even speak about this, to even kind of 461 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: indicate what sort of ways that we can help our 462 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: impacted areas in the Mena region, And that obviously involves 463 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: Dan and I would love to know, you know, how 464 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: much our Pseudanese youth are going to be part of that, 465 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: how much our ideas, our solutions, our research, also the 466 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: idea of because I come from a scientific background as well, 467 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: I want to know how we can transform the science 468 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: into policy, how it can be strengthened in its communication, 469 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: because it's honestly what we have to study in the 470 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: next few years and what we have to study now 471 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: for sure, but there are coming years of inhabitable conditions, 472 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: and our policies need to make sure that we are 473 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: not doing anything to bring that closer to us now. 474 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: It's there are lots of people here who've been hearing 475 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: from many, many different agenda and voices. If you were 476 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: to leave them with one thing that they should remember, 477 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: what is it that you would like them to know? 478 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: I would say, kind of reflect in your human nature 479 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: while you're here today, the situation that you've come from, 480 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: and then compare that with people that are facing this 481 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: issue in a thousand times worse, people that are displaced 482 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: by situation that they didn't choose to be in, that situation, 483 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: didn't even contribute to that situation. Compare yourself and then 484 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: you will feel that responsibility. Because that's how I felt. 485 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: I lived my whole life in the UAE. I don't 486 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: live in Sudan. But I did go to Sudan, and 487 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: I had to shift to really see what's going on. 488 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: And suddenly I'm so aware of that life that I'm 489 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: not living, and that life that I should have the 490 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: responsibility to support. Oh value, Yeah, we have seven years 491 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: to reduce greenhouse emissions in forty five. That means we 492 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: need to accelerate processes as much as possible, and we 493 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: need to help young people and young organizations develop the 494 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: capability to be able to help push forward those transformations. 495 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: And in that sense, we need you to champion us. 496 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: We need you to open doors, We need a mentorship, 497 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: We need you to be able to present us with 498 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: the right connections in order for us to do the 499 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: rest of the work. Because we know how to do it. 500 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: We know how to pitch, we know how to develop initiatives, 501 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: we can make a beautiful deck. We just need a 502 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: little bit of help helping to make those connections that 503 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: it's really difficult to get if you're young, if you're 504 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: from the global self, in order for us to be 505 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: able to accelerate those processes and help make the world 506 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: for us and for you a slightly better place, because 507 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: for me, the green economy is the only opportunity that 508 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: we have to survive is the opportunity to create jobs. 509 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: It's the opportunity we have to make this ords sustainable. 510 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 1: So and the green economy start with changing our mindset 511 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: with what we consume, what we produce, what we use 512 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: in our daily life. 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