WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Goat Throne 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.360 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:11.000 Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.400 Listener mail. This is Robert lamb uh So. Hey, it's 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.360 just me this week. Joe is out on parental leaves, 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.120 so I'm gonna try and tackle the old male bag 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:30.000 here just by myself and see how it goes. All right, 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.800 This first one comes to me from Brett. Brett writes 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.640 in and says, greetings, Rob, Joe, and Seth. First off, 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:41.120 congratulations to the McCormick family on their wonderful new addition. Yes, indeed, 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.280 congrats again to Joe and family. I was actually out 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.000 walking in the neighborhood just a day or two after 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.040 the birth, and they have the whole family happened to 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.320 be driving by me while I was walking around, so 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:56.520 I got to peek in the back seat and actually 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.560 see the baby, So that was pretty cool. Anyway. Brett 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.560 continues longtime listener here, and nearly every episode makes me 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.600 want to write in with thoughts or comments, and I 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.039 do frequently chime in on the discussion module. The discussion 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.720 module for everyone out there, that's the Facebook group for 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.479 this show. We don't really do much on social media. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.039 These days, Uh, you know, because social media. But we 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.679 do have that Facebook group, the Stuff to Bow your 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.000 Mind discussion module. You can go and request access to 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:26.560 that and basically if you just know the name of 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.080 the podcast, you can get in there. We also have 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.039 a discord group and if you email us and we'll 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:33.760 send to the link for that so you can join 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.080 up there. And really the only other presence we have 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.520 online these days is the letterboxed l E T T 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.119 E R b o x d dot com account. Our 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.319 muser name there is Weird House, and that's just about 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.720 the Weird House Cinema episodes. Anyway, I'll stop interrupting Brett 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.560 here because Brett continues. The series on goats brought to 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.000 mind a favorite character with goat qualities, that of the 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:01.000 poet Martin Silenus from the Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons, who, 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.800 when battling writer's block, paid a body sculptor to transform 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.200 him into a satyr and spent ten randy years in 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.000 this form looking for his muse. Only the true artists 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.720 suffer for their art. Keep up the great work, Brett. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:18.639 I had completely forgotten about this. I read the first 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.079 Hyperion book and uh, and and very much enjoyed it, 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.560 but didn't press on with the series. Uh, there are 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.280 definitely some memorable parts in that book that that's stuck 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.440 with me. But I am totally blinking on this, so 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.200 I don't know if this was a big part of 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.520 the book, if this was just a sort of an 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:38.480 offhand mention of something interesting and weird, or if perhaps 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.280 this is something from a book I haven't read yet. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:47.600 All right, so this is that we're going to receive 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.960 a fair number of goat emails here, a lot. I mean, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.160 we did a three part series on goats, and then 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.079 of course we have another episode that came out subsequently 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.440 that concerns goats. So keep the goat related email coming. 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.200 We'll detinue to read it, all right. This next one 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.560 comes to us from M Well I have seen I had. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.640 I don't think I copied the name of this individual, 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.440 but at any rate, this listener writes in and says, hi, Robert, 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.480 Joe and Seth. I will try to keep this short 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.440 because I am a poor writer. Anyway. The Radio Lab 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.639 podcast did an episode on the Galapagos Islands and shared 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.400 the interesting but sad details about the Judas goats. Basically, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.400 when the island is covered in goats. It's easy to 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.040 find them, but as you exterminate more and more, the 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.040 remaining are hard to get. Judas goats have entered the game. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.480 And then they include a bulleted list here, find a goat, 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.640 sterilize and put a tracker on it, let it loose, 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.120 wait about a week or two, and then track down 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.120 the judaiscoat. Judas goats will have found more goats. Exterminate 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.000 all the goats, but the judascote. Wait about a week 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.160 or two, then track down the judascoat. Judas goat will 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.680 have found more goats. Exterminate all the goats, but the 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.320 Judas goat. You get the idea, and that is the 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.160 sad and lonely life of a Judas goat. And they 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.760 included a link to the podcast episode. Yes, now that 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.920 it's been brought to my attention, I do vaguely remember 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.480 this episode of Radio Lab from from I think a 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.400 number of years back, but I remember it being a 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.240 good one now. But yeah, at the time, I had 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.120 not been to the Clap of Ghost and did not 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.520 really anticipated it was a place I would ever get 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.719 to go to, so maybe it didn't have that personal 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.240 connection with me. At the time, but I certainly check 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:23.680 that out if you want to, if you want to 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.080 hear more on the use of Judicis coasts in the 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:34.479 Galapago Silence. All right, let's see what we have next 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.400 in this very goat themed episode of Stuff to Blow 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.200 Your Mind. A listener mail this one comes to us 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.080 from Oliver. Oliver writes in and says, Hi, Robert and Joe, 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.200 I'm a big fan of the podcast and glad there's 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.279 a topic I can touch on. I grew up in Nimben, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.640 a small rural town in the northern Rivers of New 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.080 South Wales, Australia, where my parents had plenty of mountainous acreage. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.839 For quite a few years, we had a small flock 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.120 of goats to help with land clearing and vegetation control. 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.320 We would also select a goat to eat each year 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.960 or so. I have Fijian heritage and love the goat 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.920 curry my dad would make. It's got to be one 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.919 of my favorite foods. Anyway, one time in high school, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.040 I was on school holidays and was home with my brothers. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.479 We suddenly heard a scream that to this day was 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.400 the most blood curdling and heart racing I've ever heard. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.800 It sounded like a mixture between a humans and goats, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.960 and it was coming from where the goats were grazing. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.080 My brothers and I rushed down to find one of 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:39.520 our adults stuck in a tree with her hoof lodged 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.800 between two branches that connected at a y shape. The 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.680 screams were ear piercing and almost physically painful up close. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.480 We worked to lift her weight up off the hoof 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.680 and dislodged her. We suspect she got into this predicament 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.520 by standing on her rear legs with her front legs 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.719 pressed against the tree when grazing up high. One leg 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.200 must have slipped and between those two branches, trapping her. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.160 Listening to these episodes reminded me of all the fun 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.480 that comes with looking after goats, and I miss playing 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.359 with them when I was a kid. Thank you for 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:19.600 reigniting my goating memories. Keep on blowing minds, Oliver. Alright, 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.760 this next one comes to us from Nyara Lethotep on Discord. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.880 I believe again our Discord group. If you want to 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.159 join it, shoot me an email and I'll shoot you 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:33.360 the link. Uh. They write, there was a Monty python 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.640 writer's argument about whether a joke is funnier with a 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.320 sheep or a goat. I think the goat won by 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.120 a beard. To your question about the biblical bias against goats, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.919 I think it comes down to nature. Goats wander sheep 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.479 follow religion wants followers. Of course, I like that. You 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.960 ask if there was a third option. Fortunately there is, 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.839 meet the deep g e e P. There are multiple 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.920 examples of goat sheep hybrids. Wikipedia claims there is also 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.920 a goat sheep chimera. And cats go to the dark 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.640 side of the moon when no one can find them. 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.120 It is a well known fact. Ah. These are excellent points. Yes, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.680 I I don't know that I was super aware of 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.880 the geep, but indeed that they do exist. Uh. I 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.120 would agree with Monty Python. I mean when in concerning 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.160 matters of matters of humor and the absurd. Uh they 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.960 are and we're experts, So yeah, I would say a 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.000 goat is inherently funnier than a sheep, in the same 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.080 way that cheese is funnier than butter. Uh. And then 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.760 there's just no denying it. And yes, cats going to 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.040 the dark side of the moon where no one can 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.000 find them I believe this stems from some of the 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.760 short fiction of of HP. Lovecraft, though in all likelihood 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.880 he he got it from somewhere as well. I mean, 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.960 these folk traditions of black cats and the nature of 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:58.400 cats certainly goes way back. All right, let's see, do 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.040 we have something else about goats? We do have more goats. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.880 Listener mail here to read this one, says Hi, Robert 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.000 and Joe. This one, by the way, is from Susan. 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.960 I love the show. I ate up the Goats slash 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.640 Devil episodes. For a couple of years, I was a 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.760 groom an exercise writer at a fox hunting barn outside 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.880 of Columbus, Georgia. This hunt used a herd of about 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:24.160 two hundred goats and their smell to desynsitize the foxhounds 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.920 too deer. Foxhounds normally are distracted by deer and chase 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.320 deer instead of the fox. The master of hounds had 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.240 discovered that if the hounds had a herd of goats 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.559 living all around the kennels, they were not excited by 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.120 deer scent in the field. So far as I know, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.080 he was unique in having solved this problem this way. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.960 He imported a special long haired goat type Egyptian goats 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:52.120 and pictures included here for me anyway, maybe because they 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.800 are super stinky. The herd roamed around the kennels and 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.240 stables at will. When they ambled into the stables every 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.199 pre dawn, it's sounded like a crowd of farty, sneezing, 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:06.880 coughing old people. It's not only their calls that sound human. Again, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:11.560 thanks for the great show, great fun and info, Susan Oh. Now, 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.640 I was really fascinated by this. I've never heard this, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.920 and I'm not super familiar with the practices of a 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.880 fox hunting and so forth, but this, this is fascinating. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.440 Thanks for sending this in. And I love the the 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.600 tidbit about the farti sneezing, coughing fits of the goat 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.880 and how this also made them sound more human. And 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:35.040 again I was I'm reminded of the sea lions of 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.880 the gladigot silence and how they make a lot of this, 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.800 a lot of similar noises and can often sound very 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:49.000 human in this regard. All right, we have more goat 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.920 related listener mail here. This one gets a little more 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:57.920 into I guess demonology angelology. Um. This one comes to 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:04.040 us from Michael from Tasmania, Australia. Michael writes in and says, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:05.880 just listening to the pod and I'm sure there will 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:10.520 be plenty of feedback on Joe's pronunciation of Azazel the 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.920 Fallen Angel, but couldn't help myself. And then this is 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.560 rather interesting and I imagine Joe would want me to 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:24.199 read this. Um So Michael points out Azazel actually pronounced Osazel, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.640 not Azazel, is the name of the demon in the 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:32.640 Denzel Washington, John Goodman and Torres from Star Trek Voyager. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.600 Don't know the actor's name off the top of my head. Sorry, 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.640 movie Fallen, which is a great supernatural thriller if you 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.760 guys haven't seen it, not sure if it has aged well, 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.040 but I recall thoroughly enjoying it at the time. I 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.200 love your guys work. Been a listener for about eight 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.640 years now and the Bicameral Mind episodes are still my 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.439 absolute favorite. Michael. Yeah, thanks for the note here. I mean, 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.720 I know in Webster's both pronunciations are provided, but yeah, 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.280 it sounds like maybe one is maybe more authentic to 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:05.839 the original usage. As for the movie Fallen from look 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.400 at that, it's uh, this one would I guess in 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.520 some ways be eligible for weird House the way we've 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.240 been doing it. But yeah, it's been a long time 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.600 since I have seen this one. I did see it 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.840 at one point, and it has it had a pretty 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.600 great cast looking at it now, I mean, because of 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.640 course had Denzel Washington, John Goodman, but also Donald Sutherland, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:29.600 James Gandalfini, who else, Robert Joy Who's played a lot 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.480 of creepy characters over the years. So um. But that 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.040 being said, I don't have very strong memories about this one. 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.199 I kind of remember it just being on at the time. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.520 Maybe I rented it, but yeah, it's been a very 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.880 long time. Um. Now, it does stem from a period 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:51.240 where I think we did have multiple weirder Denzel Washington pictures. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.000 I know that Joe and I have frequently discussed, uh, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:01.840 at least offhand, how weird and fun Virtue City from was. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.960 That was the one where, if memory serves, Denzel Washington 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:11.120 was a cop and Russell Crowe played like a blue 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:18.600 blooded clone. That is also kind of a patchwork creation 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.240 based on all the serial killers of history or something 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.360 like that, kind of a kind of a strange plot 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.040 that I remember it being vaguely fun and kind of 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:32.000 an action mid nineties manner. So at any rate, uh, 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:33.720 maybe I'll have to go back and look at some 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:35.600 of these films in more detail and indeed see how 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:46.000 they hold up or don't hold up. Alright, This next 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:50.440 one comes to us from Adam Adam Writeson and says, 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.720 high folks, I loved your first episode on goats and demons. 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.400 I heard you mentioned that you would reference the Hebrew 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.480 Bible and the next one, and I figured you would 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.000 touch on the goat sent to as a zel or 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.520 a zazel, so I wanted to give some deeper context 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.200 on that subject. Firstly, the act of transferring the sins 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.520 of Israel too into the goat and sending it off 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.640 is still within Jewish practice today, but it is somewhat different. 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.680 Around Yam Kapoor, the day of Atonement, there is a 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.800 practice called cappara in which a chicken is usually waved 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.240 over someone's head, and many Jews will do this in 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.199 a humane way that doesn't hurt the chicken, transferring one 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.240 sins into that chicken. Then, though we don't wish for 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.920 the chicken to suffer pain, that chicken is still slaughtered. 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.080 But Jewish slaughtering practices require a quick and painless death. 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.200 Thus your sins are removed for those who wish not 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.559 to harm an animal at all. Some will wave money 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.080 over an individual's head, transferring one sins into the money, 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.920 and then the money is spent wiping you clean of sin. Oh, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.120 now this is very fascinating. This kind of makes me. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.520 This reminds me of some other practices and kind of 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.000 makes me want to do a magical money episode in 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:03.720 the future. Anyway, Adam continues separately. I wanted to mention 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.880 that Biblical scholars are not clear whether the goat in 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.599 the Torah that is sent to as Azel or Azazel 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.360 is sent to an entity or a place. It's not 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:20.360 definitely known whether as Zel Azazel was a demon or whatnot. Originally, However, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.800 if you look at the name Ozazel Azazel, they're important features. Firstly, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.200 the L at the end of the name is not 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.880 like the L that's e L in the English found 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.680 at the end of other Theophoric names denoting the name 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:39.320 of God or another deity. This L is not L 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:41.960 with a case, so it's he's pointing out it. It's 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.680 a lower case, not upper case. It's not capitalized the 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.640 spelling of the Hebrew letters for is azel or azazel 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:54.160 is and then and then he writes a n zayn 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:59.600 alif zay in Lahmed. Most interestingly is that this name 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:01.840 seem ms to be a combination of the word for 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:06.840 goat as a and z n and the Aramaic word 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:12.560 for walk go uh azel a lefsayan lamed um. So 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.920 that so at the very least, the goat is sent 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:22.240 on a quote unquote goat walk or azazel. So thanks 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.480 for all you do, Adam. So this was very fascinating 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.040 to hear. I love these these breakdowns of the origins 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:31.960 of some of these words, and again how words and 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.680 symbols change over time. But the idea of this, uh, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.640 this name that often gets reinterpreted as kind of a 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:42.480 spooky demon name, uh, you know, to to sort of 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.040 fall back on this sort of duality of fronts and pronunciation, 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:49.280 like like Azazel sounds very regal and terrifying, and you 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.200 can imagine some sort of demonic being. But to think 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.960 of uh sending a demon out on an asazel a 0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:01.400 goat walk to nowhere, that's that's a little bit funny, 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.880 kind of go back to the money python thing. Once 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.320 you cast the demon into the goat. You've not only 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.240 maybe robbed it of its powers, but you've also made 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.520 it a little comical. You've put it in a vessel 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:20.160 that is inherently funny. All right, And now we're gonna 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.480 get into a couple of non goat listener mails. This 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:26.120 first one, UM, I think it's too in response to 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.920 an older episode. This may have been a listener mail, UM, 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:33.440 but this is from listener Charlie. Charlie writes and and says, Hello, 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.000 I'm very behind on the pod, but I just listened 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.800 to an email you read of mine and wanted to 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.160 clear out the confusion you had on boys. This is 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.400 not b O Y S but b O I s 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.080 now Memory serves this was a situation where someone had 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.440 written in using this terminology and we were a little 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.760 less familiar with it and maybe had a question or two. 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:57.160 So anyway, Charlie is here with some answers. Charlie writes, 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.800 I hail from the tumbler corner of the Internet. Do 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.000 recommend for those of weak constitution. You've been warned, and 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.280 it is generally accepted there that boy with an eye 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.119 is gender non specific or neutral, or at least it 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:14.200 was around. Now the trend seems to be gendered term 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.240 g N g N standing for gender neutral. For example, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.119 you might call someone a quote unquote skeletor girl g 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:26.400 N to note their appreciation for the bewilderingly buff skeleton 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.920 man from he man within a fan community, who you 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.280 quote unquote girl for typically ascribes personality traits based on 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.480 that character. It is not the same as being coded 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.680 as that character. You could absolutely be both quote unquote 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:46.399 skeletor coded and a quote unquote skeletor girl and this 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.280 would have nothing to do with your gender presentation. Sorry 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:54.200 for the skeletor tangent. Didn't see that one coming. Thanks Charlie, No, 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:59.120 thank you Charlie for a little illumination here on the terminology, 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.479 and of course any discussions of skeletor are always welcome. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.720 All right, we have one more here. This is a 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.360 listener male in response to a recent episode of Weird 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.720 House Cinema. In fact, it's response to one of the 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.760 guest co host episodes that we've been running, uh daring 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.720 Joe's parental leave. This one comes to us from Dan. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.000 Dan writes and and says, dear Robert and David Um 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.600 just listen to your episode on The Gate, and I 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.440 thought David Streepy did a great job. I look forward 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.159 to him coming back on Weird House Cinema in the 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.239 future to discuss something else. The first time I ever 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.720 saw The Gate was back in middle school when I 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.359 was roughly the same age as Glenn and Terry. On 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:45.400 Saturday Afternoon television in the late nineties. The scene where 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.160 the demon versions of Glenn and Now's parents come back 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.160 come home and Dad picks up Glenn and says you've 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.600 been bad is one of those scenes that has lingered 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.520 in the back of my mind ever since, as has 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.800 the many scenes involving the Gromlins at hacking the kids. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.879 Funnily enough, I had always thought that it was the 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.240 playing of the heavy metal record backwards that actually summons 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.440 the demons. This, I think was also my first exposure 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.000 to the myth about if you play heavy metal records 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:18.280 backwards you can hear quote unquote hidden satanic messages. Quick 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.280 note about Terry's bedroom wall. The black and white pin 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:25.159 drawn poster you see amongst the Iron Maiden and Judas 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.800 Priests posters is the cover of a compilation album by 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.640 the psychobilly band the Cramps. Also, you can briefly see 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.800 the cover of another Cramps compilation album on his drum set. 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.879 This is the one that is lime green with a 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:43.040 smiling zombie like creature. So Terry's got great taste in music. 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.200 Congratulations and best wishes to Joe. I'm sure he can't 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.800 wait until the day he can show his daughter Attack 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.199 of the Crab Monsters without her getting nightmares. Best wishes 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:56.080 and happy Halloween. Dan. Yeah, okay, so just still see 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:57.920 the sponsor to some of this. So first of all, 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.840 thanks for the the insight into Terry's bedroom and all 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.440 the bands he was into. Uh, this makes me appreciate 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.639 the design effort that went into creating that set even 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.440 more um and and again, just a terrific film the Gate. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.320 I really enjoyed it. And moving on to some of 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.280 the other issues. Yeah, it was great to have Dave 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.159 Street beyond the show. Uh. Dave's been a friend of 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:24.040 mine for many years. He's he and his wife frequently 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.320 watch episodes of the nineties Outer Limits with uh with 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.800 my wife and me, so we we have that and 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.160 we used to watch MST three k's together all the time. 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:38.280 So our appreciation for weird movies goes way back, and yeah, 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.520 so I just if you do enjoy what what Dave 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.720 had to share and Dave's take on things again, check 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.399 out the Talk and Tofu podcast that he does with 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.040 his wife Becky, And yeah. As as for Joe, I 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.000 I too look forward to the day when he can 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.280 show his daughter Attack of the Crab Monsters um and 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.000 in general, I think it is going to be neat 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:59.879 to see where things go with the show over the 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.200 next few years, because I know when I became a parent, 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.080 I mean, it changes some of the things you're into. 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:09.920 It makes you rethink and old pieces of media that 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.800 you used to enjoy. It makes you rediscover things from 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:17.800 your childhood and then re examine them through the child's interests. 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.480 And then you find yourself also curious about things that 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:22.679 were never part of your childhood but are part of theirs. 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.560 So suddenly you're learning about Pokemon, You're finding out what 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.560 a lick a tongue is, and so forth. So it'll 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.360 be interesting to see what happens. I wonder if Weird 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:37.160 House Cinema will I don't think it would become completely 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.840 child centric, obviously, but I look forward to seeing what 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.800 sort of films Joe brings to the table as as 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:47.479 his daughter, maybe reignites some of his appreciation for these 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.880 childhood films and maybe we were already seeing a little 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.880 of that, uh in the run up to the birth. 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.720 All right, well that's all I have to read here today, 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.720 but certainly keep them coming in. Um, I think the 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.119 way timelines coming together, there'll be maybe one more listener 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.879 Mail without Joe, And so if the mail bag is 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:08.679 full enough at that point, maybe I'll do another one 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.200 of these. Maybe not, maybe we'll skip it and do 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.879 something else and then have a nice fat bag of 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.560 listener mail to look at when Joe comes back to 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.600 the show. But at any rate, Yeah, let me just 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.760 remind everyone that Listener Mail normally runs on Mondays and 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:25.760 the Stuff to Blow your Mind podcast feed and you 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:29.000 can find it feed wherever you get your podcasts. Um, 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.159 we do core episodes of Stuff to Blow your Mind 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.159 on Tuesdays and Thursdays, on Wednesday's Short Form Artifact or 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.479 Monster Fact episode, and on Fridays, That's weird. How cinema 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.159 time time to set aside most serious concerns and just 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.239 talk about a weird film. Let's see what else at 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.040 the outset. I mentioned the discord and the Facebook group. 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.960 I mentioned the letterboxed to count. Um oh, there is 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.480