1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Listener mail. This is Robert lamb uh So. Hey, it's 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: just me this week. Joe is out on parental leaves, 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna try and tackle the old male bag 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: here just by myself and see how it goes. All right, 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: This first one comes to me from Brett. Brett writes 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: in and says, greetings, Rob, Joe, and Seth. First off, 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: congratulations to the McCormick family on their wonderful new addition. Yes, indeed, 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: congrats again to Joe and family. I was actually out 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: walking in the neighborhood just a day or two after 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: the birth, and they have the whole family happened to 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: be driving by me while I was walking around, so 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: I got to peek in the back seat and actually 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: see the baby, So that was pretty cool. Anyway. Brett 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: continues longtime listener here, and nearly every episode makes me 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: want to write in with thoughts or comments, and I 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: do frequently chime in on the discussion module. The discussion 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: module for everyone out there, that's the Facebook group for 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: this show. We don't really do much on social media. 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: These days, Uh, you know, because social media. But we 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: do have that Facebook group, the Stuff to Bow your 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: Mind discussion module. You can go and request access to 24 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: that and basically if you just know the name of 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: the podcast, you can get in there. We also have 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: a discord group and if you email us and we'll 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: send to the link for that so you can join 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: up there. And really the only other presence we have 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: online these days is the letterboxed l E T T 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: E R b o x d dot com account. Our 31 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: muser name there is Weird House, and that's just about 32 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: the Weird House Cinema episodes. Anyway, I'll stop interrupting Brett 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: here because Brett continues. The series on goats brought to 34 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: mind a favorite character with goat qualities, that of the 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: poet Martin Silenus from the Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons, who, 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: when battling writer's block, paid a body sculptor to transform 37 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: him into a satyr and spent ten randy years in 38 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: this form looking for his muse. Only the true artists 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: suffer for their art. Keep up the great work, Brett. 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: I had completely forgotten about this. I read the first 41 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: Hyperion book and uh, and and very much enjoyed it, 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: but didn't press on with the series. Uh, there are 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: definitely some memorable parts in that book that that's stuck 44 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: with me. But I am totally blinking on this, so 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if this was a big part of 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: the book, if this was just a sort of an 47 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: offhand mention of something interesting and weird, or if perhaps 48 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: this is something from a book I haven't read yet. 49 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: All right, so this is that we're going to receive 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: a fair number of goat emails here, a lot. I mean, 51 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: we did a three part series on goats, and then 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: of course we have another episode that came out subsequently 53 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: that concerns goats. So keep the goat related email coming. 54 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: We'll detinue to read it, all right. This next one 55 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: comes to us from M Well I have seen I had. 56 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: I don't think I copied the name of this individual, 57 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: but at any rate, this listener writes in and says, hi, Robert, 58 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: Joe and Seth. I will try to keep this short 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: because I am a poor writer. Anyway. The Radio Lab 60 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: podcast did an episode on the Galapagos Islands and shared 61 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: the interesting but sad details about the Judas goats. Basically, 62 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: when the island is covered in goats. It's easy to 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: find them, but as you exterminate more and more, the 64 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: remaining are hard to get. Judas goats have entered the game. 65 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: And then they include a bulleted list here, find a goat, 66 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: sterilize and put a tracker on it, let it loose, 67 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: wait about a week or two, and then track down 68 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: the judaiscoat. Judas goats will have found more goats. Exterminate 69 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: all the goats, but the judascote. Wait about a week 70 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: or two, then track down the judascoat. Judas goat will 71 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: have found more goats. Exterminate all the goats, but the 72 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: Judas goat. You get the idea, and that is the 73 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: sad and lonely life of a Judas goat. And they 74 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: included a link to the podcast episode. Yes, now that 75 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: it's been brought to my attention, I do vaguely remember 76 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: this episode of Radio Lab from from I think a 77 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: number of years back, but I remember it being a 78 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: good one now. But yeah, at the time, I had 79 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: not been to the Clap of Ghost and did not 80 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: really anticipated it was a place I would ever get 81 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: to go to, so maybe it didn't have that personal 82 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: connection with me. At the time, but I certainly check 83 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: that out if you want to, if you want to 84 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: hear more on the use of Judicis coasts in the 85 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: Galapago Silence. All right, let's see what we have next 86 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: in this very goat themed episode of Stuff to Blow 87 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: Your Mind. A listener mail this one comes to us 88 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: from Oliver. Oliver writes in and says, Hi, Robert and Joe, 89 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the podcast and glad there's 90 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: a topic I can touch on. I grew up in Nimben, 91 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: a small rural town in the northern Rivers of New 92 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: South Wales, Australia, where my parents had plenty of mountainous acreage. 93 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: For quite a few years, we had a small flock 94 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: of goats to help with land clearing and vegetation control. 95 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: We would also select a goat to eat each year 96 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: or so. I have Fijian heritage and love the goat 97 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: curry my dad would make. It's got to be one 98 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: of my favorite foods. Anyway, one time in high school, 99 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: I was on school holidays and was home with my brothers. 100 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: We suddenly heard a scream that to this day was 101 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: the most blood curdling and heart racing I've ever heard. 102 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: It sounded like a mixture between a humans and goats, 103 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: and it was coming from where the goats were grazing. 104 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: My brothers and I rushed down to find one of 105 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: our adults stuck in a tree with her hoof lodged 106 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: between two branches that connected at a y shape. The 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: screams were ear piercing and almost physically painful up close. 108 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: We worked to lift her weight up off the hoof 109 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: and dislodged her. We suspect she got into this predicament 110 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: by standing on her rear legs with her front legs 111 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: pressed against the tree when grazing up high. One leg 112 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: must have slipped and between those two branches, trapping her. 113 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: Listening to these episodes reminded me of all the fun 114 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: that comes with looking after goats, and I miss playing 115 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: with them when I was a kid. Thank you for 116 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: reigniting my goating memories. Keep on blowing minds, Oliver. Alright, 117 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: this next one comes to us from Nyara Lethotep on Discord. 118 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: I believe again our Discord group. If you want to 119 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: join it, shoot me an email and I'll shoot you 120 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: the link. Uh. They write, there was a Monty python 121 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: writer's argument about whether a joke is funnier with a 122 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: sheep or a goat. I think the goat won by 123 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: a beard. To your question about the biblical bias against goats, 124 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: I think it comes down to nature. Goats wander sheep 125 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: follow religion wants followers. Of course, I like that. You 126 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: ask if there was a third option. Fortunately there is, 127 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: meet the deep g e e P. There are multiple 128 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: examples of goat sheep hybrids. Wikipedia claims there is also 129 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: a goat sheep chimera. And cats go to the dark 130 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: side of the moon when no one can find them. 131 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: It is a well known fact. Ah. These are excellent points. Yes, 132 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: I I don't know that I was super aware of 133 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: the geep, but indeed that they do exist. Uh. I 134 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: would agree with Monty Python. I mean when in concerning 135 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: matters of matters of humor and the absurd. Uh they 136 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: are and we're experts, So yeah, I would say a 137 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: goat is inherently funnier than a sheep, in the same 138 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: way that cheese is funnier than butter. Uh. And then 139 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: there's just no denying it. And yes, cats going to 140 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: the dark side of the moon where no one can 141 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: find them I believe this stems from some of the 142 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: short fiction of of HP. Lovecraft, though in all likelihood 143 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: he he got it from somewhere as well. I mean, 144 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: these folk traditions of black cats and the nature of 145 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: cats certainly goes way back. All right, let's see, do 146 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: we have something else about goats? We do have more goats. 147 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: Listener mail here to read this one, says Hi, Robert 148 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: and Joe. This one, by the way, is from Susan. 149 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: I love the show. I ate up the Goats slash 150 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: Devil episodes. For a couple of years, I was a 151 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: groom an exercise writer at a fox hunting barn outside 152 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: of Columbus, Georgia. This hunt used a herd of about 153 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: two hundred goats and their smell to desynsitize the foxhounds 154 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: too deer. Foxhounds normally are distracted by deer and chase 155 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: deer instead of the fox. The master of hounds had 156 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: discovered that if the hounds had a herd of goats 157 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: living all around the kennels, they were not excited by 158 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: deer scent in the field. So far as I know, 159 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: he was unique in having solved this problem this way. 160 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: He imported a special long haired goat type Egyptian goats 161 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: and pictures included here for me anyway, maybe because they 162 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: are super stinky. The herd roamed around the kennels and 163 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: stables at will. When they ambled into the stables every 164 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: pre dawn, it's sounded like a crowd of farty, sneezing, 165 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: coughing old people. It's not only their calls that sound human. Again, 166 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: thanks for the great show, great fun and info, Susan Oh. Now, 167 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: I was really fascinated by this. I've never heard this, 168 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: and I'm not super familiar with the practices of a 169 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: fox hunting and so forth, but this, this is fascinating. 170 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for sending this in. And I love the the 171 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: tidbit about the farti sneezing, coughing fits of the goat 172 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: and how this also made them sound more human. And 173 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: again I was I'm reminded of the sea lions of 174 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: the gladigot silence and how they make a lot of this, 175 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: a lot of similar noises and can often sound very 176 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: human in this regard. All right, we have more goat 177 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: related listener mail here. This one gets a little more 178 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: into I guess demonology angelology. Um. This one comes to 179 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: us from Michael from Tasmania, Australia. Michael writes in and says, 180 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: just listening to the pod and I'm sure there will 181 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: be plenty of feedback on Joe's pronunciation of Azazel the 182 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: Fallen Angel, but couldn't help myself. And then this is 183 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: rather interesting and I imagine Joe would want me to 184 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: read this. Um So Michael points out Azazel actually pronounced Osazel, 185 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: not Azazel, is the name of the demon in the 186 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: Denzel Washington, John Goodman and Torres from Star Trek Voyager. 187 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: Don't know the actor's name off the top of my head. Sorry, 188 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: movie Fallen, which is a great supernatural thriller if you 189 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: guys haven't seen it, not sure if it has aged well, 190 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: but I recall thoroughly enjoying it at the time. I 191 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: love your guys work. Been a listener for about eight 192 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: years now and the Bicameral Mind episodes are still my 193 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: absolute favorite. Michael. Yeah, thanks for the note here. I mean, 194 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: I know in Webster's both pronunciations are provided, but yeah, 195 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: it sounds like maybe one is maybe more authentic to 196 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: the original usage. As for the movie Fallen from look 197 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: at that, it's uh, this one would I guess in 198 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: some ways be eligible for weird House the way we've 199 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: been doing it. But yeah, it's been a long time 200 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: since I have seen this one. I did see it 201 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: at one point, and it has it had a pretty 202 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: great cast looking at it now, I mean, because of 203 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: course had Denzel Washington, John Goodman, but also Donald Sutherland, 204 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: James Gandalfini, who else, Robert Joy Who's played a lot 205 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: of creepy characters over the years. So um. But that 206 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: being said, I don't have very strong memories about this one. 207 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: I kind of remember it just being on at the time. 208 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: Maybe I rented it, but yeah, it's been a very 209 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: long time. Um. Now, it does stem from a period 210 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: where I think we did have multiple weirder Denzel Washington pictures. 211 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: I know that Joe and I have frequently discussed, uh, 212 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: at least offhand, how weird and fun Virtue City from was. 213 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: That was the one where, if memory serves, Denzel Washington 214 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: was a cop and Russell Crowe played like a blue 215 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: blooded clone. That is also kind of a patchwork creation 216 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: based on all the serial killers of history or something 217 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: like that, kind of a kind of a strange plot 218 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: that I remember it being vaguely fun and kind of 219 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: an action mid nineties manner. So at any rate, uh, 220 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: maybe I'll have to go back and look at some 221 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: of these films in more detail and indeed see how 222 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: they hold up or don't hold up. Alright, This next 223 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: one comes to us from Adam Adam Writeson and says, 224 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: high folks, I loved your first episode on goats and demons. 225 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: I heard you mentioned that you would reference the Hebrew 226 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: Bible and the next one, and I figured you would 227 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: touch on the goat sent to as a zel or 228 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: a zazel, so I wanted to give some deeper context 229 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: on that subject. Firstly, the act of transferring the sins 230 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: of Israel too into the goat and sending it off 231 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: is still within Jewish practice today, but it is somewhat different. 232 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: Around Yam Kapoor, the day of Atonement, there is a 233 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: practice called cappara in which a chicken is usually waved 234 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: over someone's head, and many Jews will do this in 235 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: a humane way that doesn't hurt the chicken, transferring one 236 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: sins into that chicken. Then, though we don't wish for 237 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: the chicken to suffer pain, that chicken is still slaughtered. 238 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: But Jewish slaughtering practices require a quick and painless death. 239 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: Thus your sins are removed for those who wish not 240 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: to harm an animal at all. Some will wave money 241 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: over an individual's head, transferring one sins into the money, 242 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: and then the money is spent wiping you clean of sin. Oh, 243 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: now this is very fascinating. This kind of makes me. 244 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: This reminds me of some other practices and kind of 245 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: makes me want to do a magical money episode in 246 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: the future. Anyway, Adam continues separately. I wanted to mention 247 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: that Biblical scholars are not clear whether the goat in 248 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 1: the Torah that is sent to as Azel or Azazel 249 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: is sent to an entity or a place. It's not 250 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: definitely known whether as Zel Azazel was a demon or whatnot. Originally, However, 251 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: if you look at the name Ozazel Azazel, they're important features. Firstly, 252 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: the L at the end of the name is not 253 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: like the L that's e L in the English found 254 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: at the end of other Theophoric names denoting the name 255 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: of God or another deity. This L is not L 256 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: with a case, so it's he's pointing out it. It's 257 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: a lower case, not upper case. It's not capitalized the 258 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: spelling of the Hebrew letters for is azel or azazel 259 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: is and then and then he writes a n zayn 260 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: alif zay in Lahmed. Most interestingly is that this name 261 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: seem ms to be a combination of the word for 262 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: goat as a and z n and the Aramaic word 263 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: for walk go uh azel a lefsayan lamed um. So 264 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: that so at the very least, the goat is sent 265 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: on a quote unquote goat walk or azazel. So thanks 266 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: for all you do, Adam. So this was very fascinating 267 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: to hear. I love these these breakdowns of the origins 268 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: of some of these words, and again how words and 269 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: symbols change over time. But the idea of this, uh, 270 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: this name that often gets reinterpreted as kind of a 271 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: spooky demon name, uh, you know, to to sort of 272 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: fall back on this sort of duality of fronts and pronunciation, 273 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: like like Azazel sounds very regal and terrifying, and you 274 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: can imagine some sort of demonic being. But to think 275 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: of uh sending a demon out on an asazel a 276 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: goat walk to nowhere, that's that's a little bit funny, 277 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: kind of go back to the money python thing. Once 278 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: you cast the demon into the goat. You've not only 279 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: maybe robbed it of its powers, but you've also made 280 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: it a little comical. You've put it in a vessel 281 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: that is inherently funny. All right, And now we're gonna 282 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: get into a couple of non goat listener mails. This 283 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: first one, UM, I think it's too in response to 284 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: an older episode. This may have been a listener mail, UM, 285 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: but this is from listener Charlie. Charlie writes and and says, Hello, 286 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm very behind on the pod, but I just listened 287 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: to an email you read of mine and wanted to 288 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: clear out the confusion you had on boys. This is 289 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: not b O Y S but b O I s 290 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: now Memory serves this was a situation where someone had 291 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: written in using this terminology and we were a little 292 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: less familiar with it and maybe had a question or two. 293 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: So anyway, Charlie is here with some answers. Charlie writes, 294 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: I hail from the tumbler corner of the Internet. Do 295 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: recommend for those of weak constitution. You've been warned, and 296 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: it is generally accepted there that boy with an eye 297 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: is gender non specific or neutral, or at least it 298 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: was around. Now the trend seems to be gendered term 299 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: g N g N standing for gender neutral. For example, 300 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: you might call someone a quote unquote skeletor girl g 301 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: N to note their appreciation for the bewilderingly buff skeleton 302 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: man from he man within a fan community, who you 303 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote girl for typically ascribes personality traits based on 304 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: that character. It is not the same as being coded 305 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: as that character. You could absolutely be both quote unquote 306 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: skeletor coded and a quote unquote skeletor girl and this 307 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: would have nothing to do with your gender presentation. Sorry 308 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: for the skeletor tangent. Didn't see that one coming. Thanks Charlie, No, 309 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: thank you Charlie for a little illumination here on the terminology, 310 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: and of course any discussions of skeletor are always welcome. 311 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: All right, we have one more here. This is a 312 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: listener male in response to a recent episode of Weird 313 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: House Cinema. In fact, it's response to one of the 314 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: guest co host episodes that we've been running, uh daring 315 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: Joe's parental leave. This one comes to us from Dan. 316 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: Dan writes and and says, dear Robert and David Um 317 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: just listen to your episode on The Gate, and I 318 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: thought David Streepy did a great job. I look forward 319 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: to him coming back on Weird House Cinema in the 320 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 1: future to discuss something else. The first time I ever 321 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: saw The Gate was back in middle school when I 322 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: was roughly the same age as Glenn and Terry. On 323 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: Saturday Afternoon television in the late nineties. The scene where 324 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: the demon versions of Glenn and Now's parents come back 325 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: come home and Dad picks up Glenn and says you've 326 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: been bad is one of those scenes that has lingered 327 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: in the back of my mind ever since, as has 328 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: the many scenes involving the Gromlins at hacking the kids. 329 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: Funnily enough, I had always thought that it was the 330 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: playing of the heavy metal record backwards that actually summons 331 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: the demons. This, I think was also my first exposure 332 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: to the myth about if you play heavy metal records 333 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: backwards you can hear quote unquote hidden satanic messages. Quick 334 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: note about Terry's bedroom wall. The black and white pin 335 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: drawn poster you see amongst the Iron Maiden and Judas 336 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: Priests posters is the cover of a compilation album by 337 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: the psychobilly band the Cramps. Also, you can briefly see 338 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: the cover of another Cramps compilation album on his drum set. 339 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: This is the one that is lime green with a 340 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: smiling zombie like creature. So Terry's got great taste in music. 341 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: Congratulations and best wishes to Joe. I'm sure he can't 342 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: wait until the day he can show his daughter Attack 343 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: of the Crab Monsters without her getting nightmares. Best wishes 344 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: and happy Halloween. Dan. Yeah, okay, so just still see 345 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: the sponsor to some of this. So first of all, 346 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: thanks for the the insight into Terry's bedroom and all 347 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: the bands he was into. Uh, this makes me appreciate 348 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: the design effort that went into creating that set even 349 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: more um and and again, just a terrific film the Gate. 350 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. And moving on to some of 351 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: the other issues. Yeah, it was great to have Dave 352 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: Street beyond the show. Uh. Dave's been a friend of 353 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: mine for many years. He's he and his wife frequently 354 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: watch episodes of the nineties Outer Limits with uh with 355 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: my wife and me, so we we have that and 356 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: we used to watch MST three k's together all the time. 357 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: So our appreciation for weird movies goes way back, and yeah, 358 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: so I just if you do enjoy what what Dave 359 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: had to share and Dave's take on things again, check 360 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: out the Talk and Tofu podcast that he does with 361 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: his wife Becky, And yeah. As as for Joe, I 362 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: I too look forward to the day when he can 363 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: show his daughter Attack of the Crab Monsters um and 364 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: in general, I think it is going to be neat 365 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: to see where things go with the show over the 366 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: next few years, because I know when I became a parent, 367 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it changes some of the things you're into. 368 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: It makes you rethink and old pieces of media that 369 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: you used to enjoy. It makes you rediscover things from 370 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: your childhood and then re examine them through the child's interests. 371 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: And then you find yourself also curious about things that 372 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: were never part of your childhood but are part of theirs. 373 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: So suddenly you're learning about Pokemon, You're finding out what 374 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: a lick a tongue is, and so forth. So it'll 375 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what happens. I wonder if Weird 376 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: House Cinema will I don't think it would become completely 377 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: child centric, obviously, but I look forward to seeing what 378 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: sort of films Joe brings to the table as as 379 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: his daughter, maybe reignites some of his appreciation for these 380 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: childhood films and maybe we were already seeing a little 381 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: of that, uh in the run up to the birth. 382 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: All right, well that's all I have to read here today, 383 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: but certainly keep them coming in. Um, I think the 384 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: way timelines coming together, there'll be maybe one more listener 385 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: Mail without Joe, And so if the mail bag is 386 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: full enough at that point, maybe I'll do another one 387 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: of these. Maybe not, maybe we'll skip it and do 388 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: something else and then have a nice fat bag of 389 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: listener mail to look at when Joe comes back to 390 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: the show. But at any rate, Yeah, let me just 391 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: remind everyone that Listener Mail normally runs on Mondays and 392 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: the Stuff to Blow your Mind podcast feed and you 393 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: can find it feed wherever you get your podcasts. 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