1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia for this Friday, March third 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: in Hong Kong, Thursday March second in New York, and 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: coming up today. Atlanta FED president Raphael Bostick says the 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: Central Bank could pause rate hikes sometime this summer. City 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Group is cutting hundreds of jobs across the company, and 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: China ramps up its push for domestic chip production. B 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Lincoln says he told lab Roth the US wants Russia 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: back in the Salt Agreement. China reacts to USA to Taiwan, 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: saying it undermines peace and stability. Concern about the congressional 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 1: TikTok legislation. I'm at Baxter with Global News. That's all 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: straight ahead on Bloomberg day Break Asia, the business news 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: you need to start your day in just one fifteen 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: minute podcast available on Apples, Spotify, the Bloomberg Business app, 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning, I'm Deck 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: Prisoner and I'm Brian Curtis. Here are the stories we're 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: following today. Well after the bell chipmaker Broadcom gave a 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: rosy revenue forecast for the current quarter. Let's get the 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: story from Bloomberg's Charlie Pellet. Broadcom is one of the 19 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: world's biggest chip makers, and it indicates that companies are 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: still spending on corporate networking infrastructure. Broadcom said revenue in 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: the fiscal second quarter will be about eight point seven 22 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: billion dollars now that compares with an average annalists estimate 23 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: of eight point five eight billion. The outlook suggests Broadcom 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: continues to whether we're slowdown better than many of its 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: chip piers in New York. Charlie Pellet Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. Well, 26 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: let's stay with this theme of semiconductors now, because we 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: have Chinese Vice Premier Leah Huh saying that China needs 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: to mobilize national resources to develop a domestic microchip industry. 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: That story from Bloomberg's Evan Men. Leo. Huh said China 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: must focus on research and development, with companies and entrepreneurs 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: playing the key role. Comments come as Washington limits China's 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: imports are the most advanced semiconductors, and those spoke days 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: after President Shi Jingping urge the country to accelerate scientific 34 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: research to achieve self reliance. Meantime, China has pledged to 35 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: invest another one point nine billion dollars in the country's 36 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: biggest memory chips maker, Young Zi Memory Technologies in Hong Kong, 37 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: Amivan Mah Bloomberg day Break Asia. Meantime, the White House 38 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: and Congress are working to lessen the national security risk 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: from various Chinese social media apps. It's according to President 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: Biden's Commerce chief Gina Romando. She said that US senators 41 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: are thinking hard about the right way to protect security with. 42 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: What we're worried about is Chinese backed companies being on 43 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: tens of millions of American phones, including members of the military, 44 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: and privacy concerns, data concerns, misinformation concerns that doesn't just 45 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: apply to TikTok. Romando is among the top US officials 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: driving efforts to counter what they see as rising economic 47 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: and strategic threats from Beijing. Her department issued broad export 48 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: controls on chip making technology to China last year, and 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: she's now leading the way in a fifty two billion 50 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: dollar effort into the US semiconductor industry, which she frames 51 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: as a key national security resource. The US boutique firm 52 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: GQG Partners has invested one point eight seven billion dollars 53 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: in India's Adani Group. That story from Bloomberg's d of 54 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: El Jewelers. A statement from Adani says GQG boart shares 55 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: in four firms from an Adane family trust. The purchasers 56 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: were made at discounts ranging from four point two to 57 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: twelve point two percent of the latest closing prices. GQG 58 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: chairman Rajiv Jane said he had confidence in the Adani Group. 59 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: He told Bloomberg his own company's edge is understanding better 60 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: than others how utilities operate. The four firms are A 61 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: Dane Ports, Adani Green Energy, A Dane Transmission, and the 62 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: flagship Adani Enterprises. The stakes taken in the various companies 63 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: range from two point five to four percent. Jane echoed 64 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: a line from Warren Buffett saying you have to be 65 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: greedy when people are fearful. The Adani Group said it 66 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: welcome the order in Hong Kong. I'm Annabel Ruler's Bloombog 67 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: Daybreak Asia Citygroup is cutting hundreds of jobs. That story 68 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg's and Kate's. Bloomberg is reporting that City will 69 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: eliminate positions across the company, with the Wall Street Giants, investment, 70 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: banking and mortgage divisions among those affected. Sources say the 71 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: reductions are routine and amount to less than one percent 72 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: of city groups two hundred forty thousand person workforce. The 73 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: move comes just weeks after JP Morgan Chase laid off 74 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: hundreds of mortgage employees and Goldman Saxon January embarked on 75 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: one of its biggest rounds of job cuts ever with 76 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: plants to chop thousands of positions in Washington and Kate's 77 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Daybreak Asia, I'm Brian Curtis along with Doug Christner 78 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: and a curious day in markets today. Doug, you mentioned 79 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: a lot there. Bounce off the two hundred day moving 80 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: average is one thing. Bosticks comments about a possible pause 81 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: this summer and CNBC's reporting of Dan Loebe taking a 82 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: purchase of shares in AMD also got a little bit 83 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: of attention. And then also just that yesterday stocks hit 84 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: a six week low. It was a surprising day. Yeah, 85 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: but I don't think you can underestimate to the degree 86 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: to which the American economy is facing inflationary pressure. More 87 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: worrisome than perhaps the data on first time jobless claims 88 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: unit labor cost in the fourth quarter, Brian rising at 89 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: an annual rate of three point two percent. That was 90 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: nearly three times the preliminary estimate. We have really yet 91 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: to see any softening in the labor market despite all 92 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: the aggressive tightening that we've had from the Fed, And 93 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: today Treasury Secretary Yellen was saying the Fed simply will 94 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: have to reduce the heat of the jobs market. Yeah, 95 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: it's really tough to say though, whether or not we'll 96 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: get a follow on. We had one month's data. It 97 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: seems like we'll get a follow on that inflation isn't 98 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: going down anytime soon. But you know, you'd want to 99 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: have more than one month. So I think that's why 100 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: some people are thinking, well, if the economy is this 101 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: strong as it apparently is, there's some question about that. 102 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: But until you get a second month, you know they're 103 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: not throwing in the towel. In fact, a rally today 104 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: really gets your attention as what is the market trying 105 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: to tell us. I wanted to mention as well the 106 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: Broadcom story. It adds to Nvidia's comments earlier, and that 107 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: also makes it interesting for a sector that had been troubled. 108 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: We had the socks up about one percent today. Yeah, 109 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: and also after the bell we heard from HP Enterprise 110 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: a strong forecast for the current quarter. So if you're 111 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: talking not only about semiconductors, but information technology more broadly, 112 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: some positivity. Yeah, all right, it's time now for global news. 113 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: US Secretary of State Anthony Blanklin says he was very 114 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: direct in his short meeting with Russian foreign ministers Sergei 115 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: Lavrov at Baxter has Global News from a nine to 116 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: sixty News in San Francisco. Ed. Yeah, that's right, Brian, 117 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: the Secretary says, simply direct. I urged Russia to reverse 118 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: it's irresponsible decision and return to implementing the New Star Treaty, 119 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: which places verifiable limits on the nuclear arsenals of the 120 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: United States and the Russian Federation. And in the ten 121 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: minute meet on the sidelines of the G twenty, Blincoln 122 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: says they also talk China, as China and Russia are 123 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: the only two nations to vote against the resolution to 124 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: and the war in Ukraine. Blincoln takes that as a 125 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 1: sort of win. When you have eighteen of the twenty 126 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: agreed on what needs to be done and committed to 127 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: working together to do it again, that is affective multilateralism 128 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: in action. Blincoln believes in a few months, G twenty 129 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: will find a way to put into action the consensus 130 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: reached by the foreign ministers this week regarding Ukraine. China's 131 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: responded to the US announcement. The US has pledged an 132 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: additional six hundred nineteen million dollars and F sixteen munitions 133 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: and other supplies to Taiwan. Shinwa reports the move seriously 134 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: violates the one A principle and the three China US 135 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: joint communic case. Meanwhile, Taiwan's Defense Ministry says more Chinese 136 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: fighters jets flew again yesterday in the southwestern part of 137 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: the island and defense identification zone. Some concern has been 138 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,119 Speaker 1: expressed today regarding the TikTok bill introduced in Congress today. 139 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: On Bloomberg's Balance of Power, Representative Gregory Meeks says, it 140 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: seems well, it just seems too broad and that it 141 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: will hurt American companies, American companies that would be subject 142 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: to being sanctioned by this bill. So so Bloomberg's Washington 143 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: DC Bureau chief Peggy Collins talk with Commerce Secretary Gina 144 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: Romando today and says, well, the Commerce has a number 145 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: of concerns. It's not just TikTok that they have. Some 146 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: concerns about at the intersection of national security and privacy. 147 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: So but he did also mention that they are working 148 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: and planning to work more with Congress to come up 149 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: with a strategy to deal with some of these question 150 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: and Ramando is also talking about going to China this 151 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: year to talk technology ambitions and trade in general. I'm 152 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: going to India next week, I'll be going to Africa. 153 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: There after, I'm going to go to Brazil. So I'm 154 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: certainly going to be sending my team over probably even 155 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: this spring. We're trying to work that out, and yes, 156 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: I think probably I would. Meanwhile, she says a Biden 157 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: administration is focused on having those ties but looking at 158 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: US interests, and the White House is saying today it 159 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,239 Speaker 1: is deeply concerned about reports of Iranian schoolgirls being poisoned. 160 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: White House spokesman Rare Admiral John Kirby says, well, they 161 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: don't really know at this point. What's going on is 162 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: we don't know right now what caused those ailments. We 163 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: see reports that the Iranian government are investigating it. That's 164 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: the right course of action. We want those investigations to 165 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: be thorough and complete, and we want to be transparent. 166 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: Kirby says, a little girl's going to school should not 167 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: have to worry about being poisoned. Glove News powered by 168 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: more than twenty seven hundred journalists and analysts and over 169 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty countries. In San Francisco, I'm at 170 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: Baxter and this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg day Breakasia. 171 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,359 Speaker 1: I'm Brian Curtis here in Hong Kong, alongside Rishad Salamat 172 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: and Christner of course on the markets, with Ed keeping 173 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: us up to date on news. Let's get to our guest, 174 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: George Ball Chairman Sanders Morris. Harris, George, Ernie's estimates are 175 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: coming down, interest rates are still going up. Inflation is 176 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: pretty sticky, margins are getting hit. Doesn't seem like a 177 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: very good environment for risk assets. Your thoughts on what 178 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: to do next? History I think is instructive. History is 179 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: not productive or predictive. I'm afraid there's a great old 180 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: country's on I was looking for love in all the 181 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: wrong places, and I think that's very true of the 182 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: markets today. There's an obsession, a singular obsession, guessing of 183 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: what the Fed may do next, when it'll do it, 184 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: until what extent will it do it. Today's rally, I 185 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: think was fueled by a not a belief, but really 186 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: an acceptance that the FED is going to keep rates 187 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: high for a long time. It's going to raise rates 188 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: in March, in May, maybe one time after that, but 189 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: rates aren't going to go down for a long long time. 190 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: And kilnically that's all right. Businesses can deal with that. 191 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: And I think that the Bostec fueled three hundred point 192 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: rally today was basically investors saying, all right, we know 193 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: what it's going to be like for the next few 194 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: years in terms of monetary policy. We can live with that. 195 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: And the bull instinct, the risk on instinct, took over. 196 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: So tell me something here, George, I mean, does it 197 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean, aren't we just going back to the old normal? 198 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean with rates let's say five presenter thereabouts. And 199 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: you know the thing is, by going out there, do 200 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: we now perhaps get in time, perhaps in a few 201 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: months time, start seeing um. You know, it working in 202 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: the sense that you know, the tide's going out and 203 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: we're going to find out who's naked, You find out 204 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: what the scum is when when when the pond is drained, 205 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: and that is going to happen. Looking back, by the 206 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: way to the extreme tightening back in the Vulcar era, 207 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: that's exactly what took place. Now today you have Fed 208 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: rates at a level where goods inflation is really coming 209 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: down very rapidly. Service wage inflation takes much longer to tame. 210 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: The expectations trail on for much much longer. But I 211 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: think the Fed sees that if they keep things where 212 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: they are plus the two or possibly three increases, everybody 213 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: expects that inflation will get back down two retard their 214 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: two percent goal. There will be casualties along the way. Yeah, 215 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, let's talk about the casualties possibly. 216 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: You remember back in two thousand and four, we had 217 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: that time when the Fed raised interest rates for seventeen 218 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: consecutive meetings of twenty five basis points. It took us 219 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: up to five and a quarter percent and finished in 220 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: two thousand and six. And it wasn't too long after 221 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: that the tide pulled out and we saw what was 222 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: happening in the housing market. I'm not suggesting that that's 223 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: going to happen again, or that we'll get a banking crisis, 224 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: but can you speculate or think about what maybe will 225 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: be exposed by these very high levels of interest rates 226 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: in a very quick period of time. When I wake 227 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: up at three o'clock in the morning, like like every 228 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: middle aged or elderly mail, I worry unfortunately stole by 229 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: thunder by saying the housing market and lenders to the 230 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: housing markets UH could be in a very difficult position. 231 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: There is the possibility, although I think it fairly low, 232 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: that cirtterm commercial markets could could freeze up again, and 233 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: that that for the highly levered companies and for the 234 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: high yield risk type of companies could could be catastrophic. 235 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: And I think for some of the RI and RI 236 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: light companies that are that are lenders to the office market, 237 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: UH workers are not going back to the office in 238 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: any great number anytime soon. There will be excess space 239 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: and you're going to see some devastation quite possibly in 240 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: that sector as well. Georgie, you are you pullish on 241 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: bunds once again after a long pause. No, I haven't 242 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: light bonds, gentlemen once again, prefer bonds. U. It's very simple. 243 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: A for a nearly five percent four point eight percent 244 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: yield on to your treasury is a very warm, comfortable 245 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: of blanket and if you just sleep under that blanket 246 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: for two years, you're going to be all right. So bonds, 247 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: particularly the shorter duration bonds, I think, have a great 248 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: deal of the lure right now compared to almost anything else, 249 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: certainly compared to riskier bods. This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia, 250 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: your morning brief on the story's making news from Hong 251 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: Kong to Singapore and Wall Street. Look for us on 252 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: your podcast feed every day, on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere 253 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: else you get your podcast. You can also listen live 254 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: each day on Bloomberg eleven three zero in New York, 255 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg ninety nine one in Washington, Bloomberg one oh sixty 256 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: one in Boston, and Bloomberg nine sixty in San Francisco. 257 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 258 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa device. Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty 259 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: plus listen coast to coast on the Bloomberg Business app, 260 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: Sirius XM Channel one nineteen, the iHeartRadio app, and on 261 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg dot Com. I'm Brian Curtis and I'm Doug Prisoner. 262 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: Join us again tomorrow for all the news you need 263 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: to start your day right here on Bloomberg Daybreak Asia,