1 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Plan on paying less for the coverage you need with 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans. Get a quote today at FBHP 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: dot com. I'm Mike Keith and backed by a popular 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: demand in the stickers Hot Seats coach Dave McGinnis from 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: Titans Radio, and a man who has just announced that 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: he has entered the transfer portal. It is Rhet Bryan. Wow. Yeah, 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: that's news to me. You're going to the Cardinals network. 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, Dave pash Hi, Dave. I wanted to 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: ask you about that though, because signing day has just 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: finished and apparently recruiting never ends now doesn't seem to. 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: Would you be a college coach today? I mean, would 13 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: you if if you, if you had a choice. 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: Now, the thing about it is when I first started 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: my coaching career. The thing about the allure of the 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: National Football League, of course, clearly is the level of 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: competition as high as you can get. But back in 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: the day, the pay discrepancy between what you were making 21 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: as an assistant in college and what you can make 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: in the National Football League was pretty great. And the 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: other thing that was really attractive was the National Football 24 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: League had a blanket retirement package. Everybody was on the 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: same retire and it was outstanding. And so, you know, 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: but you want to you wanted to work at the 27 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: highest level nowadays, I mean you start looking at salaries now, 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 2: especially in Power five schools for assistant coaches, it's way 29 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: up there, sometimes even supersedes what's being paid in the 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: National Football League. But the recruiting part of it that 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: you are bringing up, that's brutal. It never stopped, never 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: stops never, It's brutal. And you're having to recruit your 33 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: own guys constantly. And I mean you've got I mean 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: you worked at the University of Tennessee for a long time, 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: and you know, recruiting was different. Then you used to 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: sign a national letter and you were done and that 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 2: was it, and then you had your guys for three 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: or four years or sometimes five years. It has gotten 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: and I think all three of us probably have people 40 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: that we know now that are coaching in Power five 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: schools that they will tell you that the recruiting part 42 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: of it, the consistency, I mean, the constancy of that 43 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: war's them out. 44 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: And you were part of it, though when you could 45 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: sign national letters with different teams in different conferences. 46 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely correct, Absolutely correct. 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Did you ever have a crazy win like that where 48 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: a guy had signed two or three national letters and 49 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: you didn't know exactly where he was going to. 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: Show up, Mike, I recruited in the Southwest Conference, so 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: you know the answers, yes to that. 52 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: Well, but you could only sign one per conference. 53 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Southwest Conference that it's like the Southeastern Conference. 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: People wanted those players, so you would sign yours to you, 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: But then other schools in the country would You'll be 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: coming after them? So absolutely yes, Wow, it'll all be 57 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: in the book. 58 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 1: What are you going to do the book? For real? 59 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: When I'm done with everything? With everything, when I'm better, I. 60 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: Mean, our idea with Titan's Radio is that you're never 61 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: done that you'll just go and fill right. 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: I would. I would that that, Thank you for that, 63 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: But I when when I'm when I finally finished, because 64 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell complete, unabashed truth, unabashed truth, and 65 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: you can't do that if you still want to be 66 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: within the confines of what you're doing. And I wouldn't 67 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: be that disrespectful to do it while I was still 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: very active doing what I'm doing. But uh, I've got 69 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: a lot of notes. I'll let you in red read 70 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: them sometime. I would you hear a lot of the stories. 71 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: As they can't say the receipts have been kept. 72 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: Well you, I've told you guys a lot of the 73 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: stories and and I enjoyed doing that because you're both 74 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: very interested and sometimes you look at me like, coach Mike, 75 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: what in the world? But they're all true. 76 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: Well, I mean from your time as a Southwest Conference 77 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: player to being a college coach to being with those 78 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: crazy Bears, and those guys were way out there complain 79 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: you were with Ditka. Yes, I mean, I'm down for 80 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: any Mike Didka story I can ever hear. 81 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: You love Mike Dicka story. 82 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: I love Mike Didka story, you really do. 83 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: And I love telling them to you. 84 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: Because I think the thing about Mike Didka that and 85 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: RHTT can speak to this too. Mike Didka is a 86 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: separate category of human beings, like he was in the 87 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: movie Kicking and Scream with Will Ferrell. And there's some 88 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: stuff that happens in the movie and you're like, you 89 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: shouldn't say that, you shouldn't do But because it's Ditka, 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: it's okay. Well it's it's not that it's okay as 91 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: much as it is it's Ditka. So because it's Didka, 92 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: it's like that's a separate category. It's well, it's Ditka. 93 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: You know, does that? I mean, I'm fascinated by Mike Ditka. 94 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: Well he was a fascinating and he is a fascinating person. 95 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: And he the thing that's that that was so unique 96 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: about uh coach Ditka, the persona out there I mean, 97 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: and I mean he looked like a bear, oh gosh. 98 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: And the persona of him, and and just and just 99 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: and just just the swag that he carried with himself, 100 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: with just being Mike Ditka was so much fun, was 101 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: so much fun to be around. But he if you 102 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: were one of his people, he was so good to you. 103 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even begin to describe the things 104 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: that he would do just off the cuff that you 105 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: you know, you would go, wow, this is really cool. 106 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: And it's so And there was a real dichotomy between 107 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: his public persona sometimes and then what he really was. 108 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: Because as as big a personality as he was, Mike, 109 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: I promise you, his heart was was huge. He took 110 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: care of so many people and so many things way 111 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: on the down low that nobody would ever know, and 112 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: it was it was pretty amazing to be around. 113 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by Mike Ditka. I am too. 114 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 3: Every time he talks about Mike Ditka. I think about 115 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: the one time that we had an interaction with Mike 116 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 3: Ditka in the preseason at Chicago. And you remember, do 117 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: you remember this when this happened? 118 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: I don't, Okay. 119 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 3: So Larry Stone, the godfather of Titans Radio, would sometimes 120 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 3: do this thing to me when we were on the road. Hey, 121 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: give me the biggest name in the building I wanted 122 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: for pregame, no pressure, Oh, sure, whatever you know. And 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: sometimes I would bring him Commissioner to tag lea booh, 124 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: and we would get Commissioner Goodell. Well, this was I think. 125 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: I guess this was after he had been released from 126 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 3: his duties in New Orleans. This is early two thousands, 127 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: and we were playing them in the preseason and so 128 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 3: I see him. 129 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: I ask him. 130 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: He said, sure, kid, great, we'll do that, no problem. 131 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: And I said, we can record any time that way. 132 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: We're not bothering you with whatever you're doing today. And 133 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: Larry is in there preparing broadcast equipment set up, and 134 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: I said, Larry Stone, I'd like you to meet Mike Ditka, 135 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: and we had him on pregame. I mean, where was 136 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: I Maybe you were out I don't know. Maybe you 137 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: were swimming in the lake out there. I don't know, 138 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: But I mean, this happened. 139 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: I know it happened, but I don't But. 140 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: To see Larry, I mean, like the color left his face. 141 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: He was like, oh my, but you're talking about he 142 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: looked like a bear. That's the first time I'd ever 143 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: met the man in. 144 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: I was like, my lord. 145 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: He was a prototypical tight end in the sixties. 146 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: Well, but he would be a great tight end today 147 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: coming out of absolutely. I mean what he could do. 148 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: It's like you talk about Reggie White. Would Reggie White 149 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: be a great player today? Yes, would Jim Brown be 150 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: a great running back today? Yes, Mike Didko would be 151 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: the best tight end to the league today. Yes. 152 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 3: It's what Coach Max says about Denico Autry. Denigo Autry, 153 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: he says, can play, could have played any time, any 154 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: era in the NFL. 155 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, some of those guys are, but coach Dicka was 156 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: is special. 157 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: I'll say one more thing about this I'm most fascinated 158 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: by him with his relationship with Tom Landry when he 159 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: went to the Cowboys as a player and a coach, 160 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: because from the outside that doesn't make any sense. Mike 161 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: Ditka doesn't seem to be somebody who would have fit 162 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: with Tom Landry in that era. And yet you say 163 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: he held Tom Landry in the absolute highest regard among 164 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: people that you ever heard him mention the. 165 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: Highest regard, and he he He's often said about, you 166 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: know how much Tom Landry really kind of kind of 167 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: saved him, you know, kind of kind of saved him. 168 00:08:54,640 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: And at times, uh, you understand that Mike Ditka is, 169 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: as I say, at the at the at the base 170 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: is just is just a really really good human being. 171 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: But you know there's certain times in all of our 172 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: lives where we need a little bit stronger of a 173 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: guiding force in somebody, and that's that That was Tom 174 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: Landry at the time. Think about this, Mike, Mike dick 175 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: Is set down and hand wrote a letter when he 176 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: was working for Tom Landry to George Hallis because you 177 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: know they didn't end up on great when he traded 178 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: him to Philadelphia. Because you know, Mike Didkin remember in 179 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: his in his contract negotiations, it said that Hallis, uh, 180 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 2: you know, threw around nickels like they were manhole covers, right, 181 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: you know, And so it was. It was an acrimonious split. 182 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: But he wrote, hand wrote a letter to George Hallis 183 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: saying a lot of things as far as about you know, 184 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: at his at his core, he would always be a 185 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: Bear and if he ever had a chance, he would 186 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: love to come by as the head coach of the 187 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: Chicago Bears. Now think about that, you know, it wasn't 188 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: one of these and of course in the age that 189 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: we live in now, but a handwritten letter just expressing 190 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: his true feelings. And then George Hallis hired him. And 191 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: and Mike was never a coordinator. He was a special 192 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: teams coordinator as a tight end coach. Think about think, 193 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: just think about George Hallis, the intuition that he had 194 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: too into the person and what he needed well and 195 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: what to resurrect the Bears, and. 196 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: What a hardhead he was and what a hardhead Ditka 197 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: was or is, And for them to come together after 198 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: how they had broken up, Yes, because Hallis, this whole 199 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: thing was the Bears have to get back to being 200 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: the Bears. That was it. 201 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: That was it. The Bears had to get back to 202 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: being the Bears, and Mike Dicka brought the Bears back 203 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: on an international scale during that period of time, and 204 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: people always ask me what was like being there? It 205 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 2: was like football Camelot. But those I mean, those two 206 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: are really giants in our profession and for them to 207 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: come together like that, and for George Hollis to have 208 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: to have the intuition and to know that regardless, I 209 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: can put hard feelings aside. Here's what's best for the 210 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: franchise right now. 211 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: So when you were with the Bears in the eighties, 212 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: how many times did you see offensive players called for offsides? 213 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: Was it more than last weekend? 214 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: Well? 215 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: You know, hello, no, welcome back to the future, coach. 216 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: Well, it was first of all, I think people back 217 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: then knew how to line up on. 218 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: Side, all right. 219 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: But so, but you were right though last week. I 220 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: know what you said last week on broadcast was one 221 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: hundred percent truth because as soon as something like that 222 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: we also saw miraculous, wasn't it We also saw it. No, 223 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: you were one hundred percent correct, and we also saw it, 224 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: uh with with the Eagles, with the toush push with 225 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: the you know, Kelsey moving the ball forward because he 226 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: had been warned about that, which is again, you know, 227 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: on off sides and off sides. So what you said 228 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: on the on the broadcast was one hundred percent okay. 229 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: So last week on the OTP we had a little 230 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: bit of a discussion. It was great and it may 231 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: have gotten a little I don't think. 232 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: It was really heated, but yeah it was. 233 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: And you know what it was animated, Well it was animal. 234 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: We never get mad, but he just get We both 235 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: want to be right. 236 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: But Kadarius Tony being called off sides for Kansas City 237 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: in the game against Buffalo with a minute and twelve 238 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: to go negated a touchdown for Kansas City that would 239 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: have won the game. It was not on the last 240 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: play the game. Nobody knew it was going to be 241 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: a touchdown. I totally get that. Coach made the point 242 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: and totally contradicted himself from dinner, which Rhet would back 243 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: up because he was at dinner, Rhett, Redd, did he 244 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: contradicted himself from dinner? Rhet? 245 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: Rhett, at the time you did, it was not paying 246 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 2: attention to what we were talking. 247 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: No, he was eating crab but he's he's having which 248 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: and Frank Craik out the window. Was Frank doing out 249 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: the window. 250 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: We have this game where I play. 251 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: This is devolving. 252 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have this game that I started last year 253 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl where I will look at very 254 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 3: poorly adapted editions of a doppel ganger. We I said, 255 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 3: there's a guy that looks like Mel Blunt racing to 256 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: practice here at the Senior Bowl, and he looks up, 257 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: he sees this guy. He goes, but he just starts laughing. 258 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: And so at dinner in Miami, I said, well, it's 259 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: nice to see Frank Craik out. You're having a nice 260 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: seafood dinner with his family out through the pane glass window, 261 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: and it kind of looked like Frank. 262 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: It's uncanny how rihtt can see somebody and just conjure 263 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 2: up somebody in his mind. 264 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: Because he's not right. It looks just that's why he's 265 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: in the transfer portal. 266 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: I was with Mac one day and he was picking 267 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 3: up his dragling. I said, good to see Jimmy Ray 268 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: came to pick up his drive. He had a red 269 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: hat on, kind of look like a forty nine ers. 270 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: All right, so we're gonna stop that right now. It's fun. 271 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: We're to stop that right now. So we're watching the 272 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: Kansas City Buffalo game. Kadarius Tony lines up off sides. 273 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: My thing is, how do you call that in that instance? 274 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: And it turns out that it was the first time 275 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: in nearly thirty years a Kansas City offensive player had 276 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: been called for off sides. The commissioner jumped and he 277 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: was off sides. He was he and he didn't look 278 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: to the official properly. And it's because Kadarius Tony is 279 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: Darius Tony. You believe what you read? He you know, 280 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: he didn't he did, he was, he was off sides. 281 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: My thing was, I was stunned that they called that, 282 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: because that is a call that literally had not happened 283 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: to the Kansas City chiefs in nearly thirty years. After 284 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: agreeing with me at dinner, which he pointed out that 285 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: I paid for, then comes back when there's no dinner 286 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: involved and says, oh no, he was off sides. It 287 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: was the correct call. So he totally backtracks. I still 288 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: contended that I was stunned that you would start calling 289 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: that with a minute twelve left in a game on 290 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: national television and then last weekend, Rett Brian, what happened? 291 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: Games all over the National Football League offensive players are 292 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: called for offsides. 293 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: I wish I had taken it how many because it 294 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: was several? It was was one in our game. 295 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a Christmas miracle. 296 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: We're so now we're going to call everything? Is that 297 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: what's going to happen? Now we're gonna start. 298 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: Calling Here's one thing, the hand checks in the back court. 299 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: Here's one thing that you know about me and officiating, 300 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: especially this year. I can't tell you what they're going 301 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: to call. Cannot tell you what they're gonna call now. 302 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: It is so uneven across the board. But it was 303 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: a Christmas miracle that all of a sudden it's revealed. 304 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: But Mac, in all seriousness to follow Mike up, is 305 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: it gonna be one of those things where it's like 306 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 3: the points of emphasis that the officiating crews do in 307 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: the preseason and then it kind of evens out. 308 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: Rare before he answers, if you call it in the preseason, great, 309 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: I think it's great. But you're calling it in December. 310 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: I understand. But these things, Ebb and flows sometimes do 311 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: they not? 312 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I mean I think you're right, I mean, 313 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: you're not just like he was off sides. 314 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: Somebody tweeted like, if they do this in a Super Bowl, 315 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: somebody's gonna lose their mind. 316 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean that's my point. I mean, so somebody may 317 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: lose the game. Well so, and the commissioner comes out 318 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: is I just can't believe that they would get angry 319 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: about a correct call. It's like, you're going to call 320 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: this now, we're going to start. 321 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: You know, I can't believe you wouldn't get angry about 322 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 3: lots of incorrect calls. 323 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: But do you think, and again this is for the 324 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 2: OT people, that there was a directive saying, hey, start 325 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: looking for this after that? 326 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: Do I think there was a directive or do I 327 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: think somebody said, you know, we might want to do 328 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: we might want to prove that we know to call that. 329 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: I don't think there was a directive because either or 330 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: because somebody would. 331 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: Have gotten off somebody said something. 332 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: Somebody said something, Yes they did, I would agree with that. Yeah, 333 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: I'll be looking for this a little more frequently. 334 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: Somebody said something, and to your point, it was probably 335 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 2: so that this isn't a glaring red light on top 336 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: of the head of this one call let's start looking 337 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: for it a little bit. Yeah, that's what happened. 338 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: So what what they did is last weekend they normalized 339 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: the call from the game the week before. But it's 340 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: still like, really, that's that's exactly what I loved what 341 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel did with the Tree Avery pass interference calls. Hey, 342 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: I thought his his uh how what he said about 343 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: it in the Wednesday press conference was pretty brilliant. The 344 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: first one he clearly interfered, and he said interference. He 345 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: broke on the ball to ear and and he did. 346 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he was in great position and he brought 347 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: but he did interfere with the guy. No question about 348 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: the second one, he said, what did he say he 349 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: played the technique perfectly? Or I mean he just because 350 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: I I mean I went back and watched that again. 351 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: I can't figure out what that official. 352 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 2: What did What did I say on the broadcast about 353 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: that call? I said, his professional mile practice, I still 354 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: and the other official went to him, Yes, he did 355 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: and appeared to be doing the old are you sure 356 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: what you use? 357 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: You know, I can't figure out what he saw that. 358 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: That's the part of it to me. In certain cases, 359 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: and Vrabel talks about this a lot, and I think 360 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: it's a great point that he makes to his players. 361 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: He says, the officials are gonna look for certain tell 362 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: tells that lead them to make certain calls. So you 363 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: don't wanna you don't want to push this way or 364 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: grab this way or whatever, or turn a guy because 365 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: that's always going to get you a call against you. 366 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: But in that case, I couldn't, even from behind, I 367 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what he thought he saw. 368 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 2: Well, you know why you couldn't, because he didn't do 369 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: anything wrong. It wasn't anyway looked like good coverage. It 370 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: was good coverage, and that's why I put it in 371 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 2: the category of professional malpractice. That's as nice as I 372 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 2: can say it. 373 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: How about you rit the second one? I couldn't understand it, 374 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: and we kept watching the replay in the booth. I'm like, hey, 375 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 3: by the way, what about you on the Elijah Molden returned, 376 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: waving in the background. Yeah, bye bye, bye bye. He's gone, 377 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: so we see that. I'm like, whose hand is that? 378 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 3: It's like you were doing a puppet show up there. 379 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: You're just going bye bye. 380 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: Bye, Felicia. That was I knew, as Susianda, I'm like 381 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: he's gone, He's gone, it's over. That was great. It's 382 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: also great to have game on with Duncan. That's right, 383 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: Titans fans grab a coffee and kick off the action. 384 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: Whether that's drinking a cup of coffee on the way 385 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: to the game or grabbing one to go before watching 386 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: the game at home, Duncan is always there to help 387 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: you get your game on. Just like the pros, we 388 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: need to be at our best come game time, which 389 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: is why Duncan is the most important part of your 390 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: game day ritual because it's always the best call for 391 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: football America runs on Duncan. 392 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: You know what I love about the Duncan is when 393 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: we start traveling as a group. You know, once we 394 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 2: start going to these things we're going to go to 395 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: once the season is over with. You've Senior Bowl. You 396 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 2: are the best with the Duncan app I've ever seen 397 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: in my life. Thank you, and we always have you 398 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: take our orders and then when we get in the car, 399 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: it's it's like a feast. 400 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: Well that's the idea is that your stuff is ready. 401 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: It's wonderful. 402 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: It's it is wonderful, and you rack up points and 403 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: you get free beverages. And for free sandwiches. I mean, 404 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of free. 405 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: Well, it's all free. It's all free for me because 406 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: you buy it. That's fair. 407 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: It is fair, that's fair. It's totally fair. Injuries have 408 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: hit the Titans very hard, they have, and there are 409 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: guys going on injured reserve. They're guys being signed from 410 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: other teams, they're guys being called up from the practice squad. 411 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: It's a it's a difficult time obviously because for the 412 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: first time since twenty fifteen, the Titans are out of 413 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: the playoff race. Yes, with multiple weeks left in the season. 414 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel said that his message to the team is 415 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: we're taking it one day at a time. We're going 416 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: to prepare hard every single day. But from a coaching standpoint, 417 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: when you're trying to motivate a ball club and you 418 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: also are in a position where you don't exactly know 419 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: who you're going to have, what's the biggest challenge. 420 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: Well, that's a double edged sword, it really is, because 421 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: you know, first of all, you're it doesn't really matter 422 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: where you are during your season, You're always going to 423 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: try to improve your roster from the you know, from 424 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 2: the bottom up. You know, we've talked about that a lot, 425 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: and of course you're always you're always chumming or churning 426 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: the bottom of roster. That's going to happen. But when 427 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: you're getting ready to play a ball game, and regardless 428 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: of what the outcome of the game, you want to 429 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: win the game, sure, and so you want to do 430 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: everything that you can to prepare it. The thing, and 431 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: I've been in this situation before as a head coach, 432 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: if you have the right people and you talk to them, 433 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: they understand that regardless of what of of what the 434 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: the repercussions of this ballgame on, you're still playing for 435 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: your your your profession. You're still playing for your job, 436 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 2: either where you are or where you may be. Because 437 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: of the way we just talked through talking about the 438 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: transfer portal and collegiate football, well, the free agency in 439 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 2: the National Football League, I mean, you're you're auditioning for 440 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: everybody every snap you ever take in the National Football League, 441 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: and so it is, I mean, and you just you hope, 442 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 2: you hope, not hope, you want your team to have 443 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 2: built enough inside strength that to be able to not 444 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: overcome the disappointment of not having the playoffs out there 445 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: as that carrot. You know that you're playing for You're 446 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: still playing for your job, and you're you're you're playing 447 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: for the continuation of your career, whether it's where you 448 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: are or whether it's it's somewhere else, and the professional 449 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: pride of it has to kick in because we all 450 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 2: know it's it's extremely it's it's a for what we 451 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: all do. To be employed in the National Football League 452 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: is really is really not a right of anybody. It's 453 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: a it's a privilege to be able to do this. 454 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: And so when you've got the chance, you've got to 455 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: put everything out there, regardless regardless of what the external 456 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: rewards all of a sudden look like it. You've got 457 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: to internalize this a lot as a player and even 458 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 2: as a coach during these times. 459 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: You're the greatest example of that. Though. Your last game 460 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: as a head coach was a famous win where you 461 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: you came from behind to beat Minnesota, and I mean, 462 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: everybody knows that game very well and remembers that down 463 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: the stretch. Didn't you get invited to Green Bay the 464 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: next week for the playoff game? 465 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: And yeah it was. It was Josh McCown to to 466 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 2: Nathan Poole in the enza we had no we had 467 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 2: that the Cardinals. I mean, we were really a beat upo. 468 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: We were down to kind of. But my message during 469 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: the week, I'm glad you brought that was it was 470 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 2: the same thing. Hey, nobody probably even is looking at 471 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 2: whether you're going to win this game or not. And 472 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say nobody cares, because we all 473 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: have people that care about us. But you care, I care, 474 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 2: we care. So let's just let's go do this just 475 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: like we've always done this. And we had to get 476 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: an on side. Look, we had Nathan Poole from Marshall 477 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: as our receiver. They had Randy Moss. I don't know 478 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: if you know Marshall too. Yeah, there's any kind of 479 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: a difference, but anyway, probably they were they were they 480 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: were a really good football team and we weren't. But 481 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: the way they played in that in that ball game, 482 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I got carried off the field 483 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: by a team that they knew their head coach was 484 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 2: not going to be there probably and some of them 485 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: probably weren't going. 486 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: To be there. 487 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: But just that feeling that that that you had come 488 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: together and had worked through all of that. But it 489 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: comes from first of all, you know, being honest with 490 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 2: yourself and then being able to look at look in 491 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 2: the eyes of your teammates and your coaches and be 492 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: honest with each other. I'm gonna I'm gonna lay everything 493 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: else that I have out there and then we'll we'll 494 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: take what comes. But uh if if the force out rule, 495 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: the force out rules in effect, and you know it's 496 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 2: not in effect anymore. But Nathan Poole caught it in 497 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: the corner of the end zone fourth and fourth and 498 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: about seventeen Josh McCown ran around, you know, made about 499 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: six people miss and just flung it up to Nathan 500 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: Poole and he was forced out. And then they came 501 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: back and there was a force out rule at the time, 502 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: and so they said, you know, touchdown Cardinals. But those guys, 503 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: those guys still in my you know, and I am 504 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: in touch with are they in touch with me a lot? 505 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: It's still a memory that they all coach Mike, that 506 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: was one of the greatest feelings in the world. And yes, 507 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: I was invited u you know. Mike Sherman was the 508 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: head coach of the Packers. The Packers they had played, 509 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: they played the end of the game because if the 510 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: if Minnesota had beaten US, well, then Minnesota's going to 511 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: the playoffs. The Packers were out. The Packers game finished 512 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: a little before Art. They won their ball game, and 513 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 2: you know, of course, nobody thought the Cardinals were going 514 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: to be and all of a sudden they put it 515 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 2: on the all the big boards, and everybody stayed in 516 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 2: lambeau Field to watch it, to watch the end of it. 517 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 2: And when it ended, I mean finally, when I got 518 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 2: into the after the press conference, got into the coach's 519 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: locker room. Mark Hantley was the GM and Mike Sherman 520 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: was the head coach. They were on the phone, Coach, 521 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 2: make this is the most this is fabulous. The place 522 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 2: went wild. Thank you so much. We want to invite 523 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: you to the playoff game. And I said, you know what, 524 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 2: I probably won't be able to come. I said, how 525 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 2: about bringing Nathan Poole to the And they went, you 526 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: think he had come? I said, call Paul Jensen, who's 527 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: the PR director. Let's make that work. So they brought 528 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 2: Nathan Poole to the playoff game. He's like the Pope, 529 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 2: waving everybody out. 530 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: It was awesome. 531 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: And I got and I got, I got for for 532 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: months afterwards, cheese baskets, you know, from from the green 533 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: Bay fans, Thank you, coach Max, thank you for the 534 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 2: playoff game. So I had a lot of cheese baskets 535 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: I could hand. 536 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: Down every time we go go back there. He's wildly popped. 537 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 3: I mean, I call him the mayor of everywhere, but 538 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: it's really true, and Green. 539 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 2: Bay was the green Bay fans are are legacy fans 540 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: now they know they know ball and so they ain't 541 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: Coach Max. Great win over the Vikings, I mean, that's 542 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: a long time ago. 543 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Uh. Will Levis gonna try to play, I 544 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: mean that's I think that tells you all you need 545 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: to know about Will Levis. I don't know if he's 546 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: gonna be able to play or not, but he's trying 547 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: like heck to play. 548 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 3: It's clear, if it wasn't before, it's clear. He loves 549 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 3: to play ball. He loves it. 550 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: Uh. 551 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 3: And it's funny you bring this up because in his 552 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: availability this week, you know, we're outside there at the 553 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: edge of the practice fields and at the podium, and 554 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: the entire time he's feeling questions and answering questions, his 555 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: eyes are on that practice surface, and you could tell 556 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 3: he wanted so badly to just leave us right there 557 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: and go out and put a helmet on it and 558 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 3: go practice with his teammates. I could see it in 559 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: his facial expression and his eyes darting back and forth 560 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 3: as his teammates are coming out of the locker room 561 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 3: and getting gready to go through stretching an individual because 562 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 3: nobody would blame anybody if he didn't play. 563 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: Oh no, absolutely not. 564 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: But he wants to play. And that's that love of 565 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: it is a huge reason why the Titans wanted him. 566 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: But absolutely And the other thing is you can just 567 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: tell the way he approaches this. He understands what a 568 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: great opportunity this is for him. Because let's go back 569 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: to the draft that we all do very deeply, and 570 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: him sitting in that green room throughout the whole first 571 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: round and then everybody you know, you know that wherever 572 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: he went when he got the opportunity, he wasn't gonna 573 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: let it go. You could you could see it in him. 574 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: I've seen enough, I've seen enough young players, and you 575 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: could just you could see it in him. And so 576 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: that that's what we've seen. That's what we've seen now 577 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,239 Speaker 2: so you're one hundred percent he you're gonna have to 578 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to hold him back to keep him 579 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: out of any game. 580 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: How tough is that going to be? For Mike Vrabel 581 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: and Ran Carthon. If they get to Saturday night and 582 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: he's on the fence, he could probably play What do 583 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: you do? 584 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, they're going to do what's in 585 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: his best interest. Sure, physically, that's what they're going to do. 586 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: And so that that overrides everything. And sometimes and sometimes 587 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: I've done it as a coach, I've done it as 588 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: a head coach. Sometimes you have to protect the players 589 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: from themselves because they all want to play. 590 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: Uh. 591 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: I had a guy like that that I mean I 592 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: thought was literally going to come across a desk one 593 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: time and strangle me, and I knew he could. Was 594 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: Kyle Vannenbis. Yeah, when I told him, look, I'm not 595 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: playing you right now because you're need and he I mean, 596 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: the the death stare that he gave me, and he 597 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: liked me a lot. I thought he does because we 598 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: ask him, Okay, good, I'm glad, I'm glad you quantified that. 599 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: But you know, we'd take it that I'd taken a 600 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: chance and stood on the table for him in the 601 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: draft room, and he knew that and then had worked 602 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 2: through two ACL surgeries with him and all of that stuff. 603 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: But those kind of guys, it means everything to him 604 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: and not only to themselves. They don't want to let 605 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: their teammates down. They don't want to let their teammates down, 606 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: and that that is that's important. I mean Will Levis 607 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 2: did the same thing at Kentucky when he had when 608 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: he had the toe, and I think they told him 609 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: don't play. You know you can, but we'd recommends you 610 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: you don't, no matter, and he played right. So you're 611 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: correct in saying that it's it's going to be. But 612 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: they will, they will protect him from himself. 613 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: Seat Geek is now the official ticketing partner of the 614 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Whether you're buying or selling tickets to Titans games, 615 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: there any live event in Nashville, seat geek is the 616 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: place to do it. Seat Geek the new official ticketing 617 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: partner of the Tennessee Titans, so Titans fans can fan 618 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: well done. Red Redd is also our staff meteorologist. Sunday 619 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: is supposed Christmas Eve is supposed to be lovely at 620 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: Nissan Stadium. Mike. 621 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 3: It is quite the contrast from Christmas Eve versus the Texans. 622 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: One year ago. 623 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: We had rolling blackouts. Power Yeah, we started game late. 624 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 3: We started one hour late. 625 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: Wow. 626 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 3: And it was it was the coldest recorded game at 627 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 3: Nissan Stadium. I think it was twenty two twenty three 628 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: at kickoff. So the forecast right now says partly cloudy 629 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 3: and a high of sixty eight degrees sixty three at kickoff. 630 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: That's a great way to start Christmas Eve Day, you 631 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: dog one, right, it is because you go from there, 632 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: you go to church or have a meal, whatever you 633 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: want to do, open a gift or too, go to 634 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: the family celebration, right, put out the cookies and milk. 635 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: Wait for Santa, I mean. 636 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 3: Or if you're like me, when you get home from 637 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: the game, marinate the steaks and get ready to grill. 638 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 3: Is that Christmas Day? I'm gonna Christmas Day? 639 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: Sure, An, because you got the weather. 640 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: Got the weather. 641 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 2: Rat's a grill master anyway, he really is. He is 642 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: a grill master. He has shared some of those things 643 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: that he has prepared on the grill with us Delicious. 644 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 3: It is New York Strip steaks on Christmas Day. I 645 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: think I'm gonna go purchase some kind of seafood, maybe 646 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 3: do surf and turf. 647 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: Wow. 648 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what else is really is really good 649 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: that I'm noticing here that's really high is the shoe 650 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: game of my two partners here. If you look look 651 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 2: over here at Mike Keith, those are somewhat sweet, all 652 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 2: white Nike kicks and then red over here. I mean 653 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: this is outstanding. 654 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: Plus statues he does. 655 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 2: And then plus he got a little dog on his socks. 656 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking at his socks. He's got a 657 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: little dog on his sock. I'm I'm impressed with my 658 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 2: partners here. 659 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, coach, You're welcome, my man. It's the holiday season. 660 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: I'm a former head coach. I noticed details. 661 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: It's time to go, don't you think whatever you say, sir, 662 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: I think it's time to go. For for Dave Magettis 663 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: and RTT Brian I, Mike Keith, thank you for joining 664 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: us for the O t P