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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast post since workouts to Instagram live.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined in

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Speaker 1: the room filled with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What is up boys? Hey? Dan? Happy Monday post?

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Speaker 1: Knows workouts? I haven't yet, but UM, if you guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna do it, I guess I could do it

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Speaker 1: as well. I think the closest I've seen is is

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Speaker 1: TDS little basketball set up that he has former producer

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Speaker 1: now for like four years removed from producing the show.

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Speaker 1: I mean we've been around a while, sitting in on

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Speaker 1: meetings with Lebron James talking strategy for Lebron's media company.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's bringing a lot to that role. Um,

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Speaker 1: welcome to our show. Uh. You know the free agency wave,

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Speaker 1: It is high and it is mighty, but it crashes

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Speaker 1: very quickly and just a little. You know. Example of

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Speaker 1: that is after two hours of live coverage here at

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Speaker 1: on a Film Network with Andrew Siciliano, the Up to

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Speaker 1: the Minute program, they cut in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: afternoon to an a F game between the Birmingham Iron

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Speaker 1: and the San Diego Fleet. It's actually starting to come

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Speaker 1: a F terms is coming together. Um So that gives

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Speaker 1: you a bit of an idea that things have slowed down.

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Speaker 1: Um on on the free agency end of things, Greg,

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Speaker 1: there's still names out there, but in terms of La

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Speaker 1: La it's over now. Yeah. I mean, I'm interested to

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Speaker 1: see where justin Houston and Dominican Sue Ziggiata, guys like

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Speaker 1: that go, but it's few and far between. There might

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Speaker 1: be some surprise trades, but if we knew they were coming,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't be surprised. And that's why I'm just jumping

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Speaker 1: full into the a F and the story of Luis Perez,

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Speaker 1: which has now kind of Chris Westling that the a

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Speaker 1: an interesting guy. His father played Major League soccer in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Not interesting. So he has bowled twelve perfect gamesa bad

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Speaker 1: you know, wait West, now you're watching. I have not

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Speaker 1: watched a single snap. I just when Greg mentioned Louis Perez,

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Speaker 1: I remember that like coming out of college, he seemed

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Speaker 1: to have an interesting story, and Peter Schregor has a

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Speaker 1: nice video about more importantly, Mark there. I have not

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Speaker 1: in the studio. They were talking Trent Richardson, by the way,

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Speaker 1: who was seventeen touchdowns or something now, so our sandwich

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Speaker 1: prop could be still hanging the bed. Terrell Davis from

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Speaker 1: the studio, throwing it back to the game telecast booth

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Speaker 1: featuring Matt money Smith. I mean, how many jobs can

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Speaker 1: you have? At what point do you go home? M

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Speaker 1: J D and Marvin Lewis all men on the NFL

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Speaker 1: media payroll. We haven't gotten a call yet to get

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Speaker 1: get a taste of that a f guap. I did

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Speaker 1: hear Greg downstairs say I'm going to get involved in

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Speaker 1: you pursue it well next year. I'm saying, bring us

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Speaker 1: all I think, I mean, you better, you better be careful.

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear. I didn't hear we're all gotta do it.

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Speaker 1: I just heard I've got I said, if you gotta.

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Speaker 1: If you throw that out there, Dan, you gotta be

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Speaker 1: ready to because I think they would like to know

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Speaker 1: Joined Vince McMahon in the XFL next year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: You gotta, I mean, we've spent a solid five plus

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Speaker 1: were reading into it correctly, Mark, This is Greg He's

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Speaker 1: along for the ride, Buddy, Um, Big show coming up,

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Speaker 1: Big big show coming up. We're gonna go spin through

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Speaker 1: the news some free agent happenings that have occurred since

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Speaker 1: and Dave Gentleman speaks, and Um we listen because there's

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Speaker 1: a morbid curiosity for all things coming out of northern

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Speaker 1: It is a new day, of course, for the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Why not? How why? Why? Why be in the front

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Speaker 1: Maybe have a book, a Carouac book, and a glass

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Speaker 1: a landmind of rebility, has little treasures, has little treasures,

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Speaker 1: But it's not a you're you're what you're doing? Not

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Speaker 1: checked in with Mark? How to do that? Now, let's

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Speaker 1: get into the news. It's narrative. Will the Payne can't

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Speaker 1: Geentleman is under fire. Uh after making the incredibly um

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Speaker 1: This is what Eli Manning's bringing to the table. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the problem is he's making these statements that, oh,

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Speaker 1: It's just not believable anymore. It's not if it's just

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Speaker 1: enough where they could acquire big time uh, top five

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Speaker 1: draft picks. Uh. So at some point you gotta reboot

430
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Speaker 1: the model and try something different. So that's I respect that,

431
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Speaker 1: and I also think Fitzpatrick is a perfect signing for

432
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Speaker 1: the team because you it's a tough sell to any

433
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Speaker 1: fan base. We're gonna suck this year, like you know

434
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Speaker 1: if your Dolphins, and you're most likely gonna suck, Well,

435
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: we'll throw you this bone. Here's the guy. He's probably

436
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: not gonna make us any better. He's not gonna give

437
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: us too many more wins, but it'll be fun. And

438
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: Franan Fitzpatrick I have personal experience with this. A lot

439
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: of teams fans do because he's been on eight teams now.

440
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: He makes things fun for a little bit, and that's

441
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Speaker 1: all you really If you could throw your fans of

442
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 1: that bone and say we're still looking toward the future.

443
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Speaker 1: I think it's a win win. There is one other

444
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Speaker 1: positive for the Dolphins, and I think the Browns, like

445
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: when what they went through, help with this because Cleveland's

446
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, Cadrea beat writers were largely against the analytical

447
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: approach that Sashy Brown was putting together because it was new,

448
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 1: it was misunderstood, and it was came with a lot

449
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: of losing an ugliness, and there was issues with ownership.

450
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Speaker 1: But already, like most of the writers that are starting

451
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Speaker 1: to figure out what the Dolphins are doing are fully

452
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Speaker 1: behind it, a lot, a large chunk of the fan

453
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Speaker 1: base are behind it all weekend long on Twitter, what

454
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Speaker 1: Miami is doing is being touted as the fresh, new

455
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Speaker 1: way to do it. We've seen other teams do this

456
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: where in New York if even if New York is

457
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Speaker 1: trying to get to the same place, the way that

458
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Speaker 1: Giants have messaged it and the way it's been received

459
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Speaker 1: by media is the exact opposite. It's been one clunky

460
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Speaker 1: pr move after the next. The Dolphins have not announced

461
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Speaker 1: this as a plan, but it is crystal clear what

462
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Speaker 1: they're doing and the Giants aren't doing that. I mean

463
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Speaker 1: I think they're not. The Giants are clear and on

464
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Speaker 1: some hand, I can understand what Gettleman is saying when

465
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Speaker 1: he's saying, this is the NFL we're building, We're trying

466
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Speaker 1: to win as we build, because I think that that's

467
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Speaker 1: an okay approach to it just doesn't make sense that

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Speaker 1: the way that they're doing. I mean they just Antoine Bethet,

469
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: who who's thirty eight years old there. You know, they're

470
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Speaker 1: signing Golden tap there. You can try to win while

471
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Speaker 1: changing on the fly. The Dolphins have tried and failed

472
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Speaker 1: at it. I think it's just a little more clear

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Speaker 1: what Miami is doing. And it's also taking over a

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Speaker 1: group that Tannin bamb Ran that just you know, spent

475
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Speaker 1: a lot of money on a lot of agent had

476
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Speaker 1: this whole idea to spend a ton on the defensive

477
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Speaker 1: line and defense and it just wasn't working. I do

478
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Speaker 1: want to just point out the stat also from football perspective,

479
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Speaker 1: you know FB g ch I mean, he's getting a

480
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: lot of us all right. Last five years, only eight

481
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks have more passing touchdowns in sacks. Just kind of

482
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Speaker 1: a sneaky great stat. I like that stat. Tom Brady,

483
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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luck,

484
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Speaker 1: Tony Romo, and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Right, Fitzpatrick is a little

485
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Speaker 1: you know, he's a little underrated in Well, I'm just

486
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Speaker 1: that we're not we're not discussing that Patrick is a

487
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Speaker 1: little offensive line proof because he gets rid of the

488
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: ball so quickly that leads sometimes to quick decisions that

489
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Speaker 1: end up with the ball going in the other direction.

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Speaker 1: But one, one last point I have thought about the

491
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Speaker 1: Dolphins is um, they seem to be onto on the

492
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Speaker 1: right path though they have the right idea, but they

493
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Speaker 1: have a long way to go, and so I don't

494
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Speaker 1: want to celebrate them too much. And it all starts

495
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Speaker 1: like the Browns, none of this is happening if they

496
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Speaker 1: don't finally get Baker Mayfield. It took years from them

497
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Speaker 1: to finally get to the quarterback and they did. Um,

498
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: and the Dolphins have to get the quarterback. Like, so

499
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Speaker 1: the everyone is right, how are they going to do that? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. Do you get a draft pick? Who

501
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Speaker 1: do you give credit to? Sashy Brown or it's not

502
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Speaker 1: nothing to John Dorsey. It's like one person did part

503
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Speaker 1: of the plan beautifully. And as a Browns fan, I

504
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Speaker 1: don't care who gets the credit. But then you know,

505
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Speaker 1: I don't know if Sashy Brown and his team would

506
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Speaker 1: have pulled off these correct draft picks and these moves

507
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Speaker 1: and everything the way that that John Dorsey did it.

508
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Speaker 1: So the Dolphins can you can get Chris Greer can

509
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Speaker 1: put everyone in the right position and all this can happen.

510
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Speaker 1: But you need to draft the right people and getting

511
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Speaker 1: get all the same draft picks and shedding money is

512
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: the easy tons of teams that it's pretty easy. It's

513
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: pretty easy to do that. Other than like taking kind

514
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: of the pr hit. You gotta get some fortune along

515
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Speaker 1: the way. And you got like Chris Ballard did a

516
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: year ago. And you gotta recognize fortune when it hits you.

517
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was in that three spot and he

518
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Speaker 1: took the Jets, who are very happy with that trade

519
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Speaker 1: for three second round picks. He hasn't he has one

520
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: of them. This year he turned into, you know, a

521
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Speaker 1: defensive rookie of the year and a starter. That that

522
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: second part is the tougher part. That trade, which was

523
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: one year ago yesterday, um could have franchise altering effects

524
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: for two teams in a positive direction. That doesn't happen

525
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: a lot the Jets got donaled out of it, and

526
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: the Colts built up roster and got their best and

527
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Speaker 1: to the point the Jets, what was the offseason messaging

528
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Speaker 1: that Jets fans were, you know, scam for Sam, Let's

529
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Speaker 1: go one in fifteen. This is the worst team in football.

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Speaker 1: And then they didn't. They didn't lose enough they had

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Speaker 1: to make They won a couple of games and the

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Speaker 1: and that's the that's the trick is like the Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: You know, I I've said it to you, Dan, just

534
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Speaker 1: like it wouldn't really be that surprising if they came

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Speaker 1: in second in the a f C S. I don't

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Speaker 1: It's so early in the off season. If Brian Flores

537
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Speaker 1: is a great coach and you get a little you

538
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: get a little mojo on defense, seven games and the

539
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: other two are you know. I'm just saying like, it's

540
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Speaker 1: hard to get the number unless that it wouldn't be

541
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Speaker 1: hard to imagine two teams with the worst record that

542
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Speaker 1: that alone could keep you from the number one quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Two final thoughts on tanking number one. The high cost

544
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: of irrelevance is that pulling your franchise out of an

545
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: apathy phase is often beyond your control. Is the Brown

546
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: Soul for two decades. You come want to do it,

547
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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Secondly, in every sport,

548
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: the commissioner is hired to grow the game and protect

549
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: the owner's interest, and he must be ever vigilant against tanking.

550
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: It's an issue of public trust, just like gambling in

551
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: the Black Sox scandal. In baseball, you simply cannot have

552
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: teams in any sport throwing games. You can build your

553
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: team however you want in the off season, but once

554
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Speaker 1: the games start, you have to try to win. Yes,

555
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Speaker 1: all right, let's uh, let's move on and talk about

556
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Speaker 1: some other news. Starting Cincinnati, a team that who I

557
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: mean there, they seem to be in that kind of

558
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: middle ground where they don't know what they want to

559
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: be and it doesn't lead to any real success. And

560
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: they're making a move on defense, parting ways with one

561
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Speaker 1: of their most controversial players in franchise history, Vante's perfect

562
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: uh Tom peler So tem Tom Pelsero reported that the

563
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: team released the linebacker on Monday. Uh it ends a

564
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: seven year run filled with suspensions and uh dirty play.

565
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: But also he was productive as well, so there's a

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Speaker 1: reason he was able to stick around as long as

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Speaker 1: he did. Um. Ultimately, though, uh, cincinnat decides to move

568
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: on and West probably not um not a coincidence that

569
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: it's when Marvin Lewis is out the door to Marvin Lewis,

570
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: who has been Vantes Perfects biggest champion and some would

571
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: say enabler over the past seven years. Now, this is

572
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: a guy who at his best was one of the

573
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Speaker 1: most physically tough, punishing off ball linebackers in the NFL and,

574
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: along with Gino Atkins, the best defensive player on some

575
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: really good Bengals teams over the past seven years. That said,

576
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: it's not surprising to me that his career is at

577
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: a crossroads due to concussions. With the dirty way in

578
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: which he played football, it's interesting to think back on

579
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: this era. I mean, they might have a future Hall

580
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: of Famer and a G Green, you know, the It's

581
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: Mandy Dalton moments, certainly, but don't you kind of think

582
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Speaker 1: of it as like the perfect era. I mean, this

583
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: this decade was he was kind of the defining Cincinnati

584
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Speaker 1: Bengal I uh, the one I was at at the

585
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: combine where he was there and it was back in

586
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Speaker 1: the days when we would actually sit around the college

587
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: players and do stories on them and stuff. And I

588
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: was floating around looking for someone interesting to talk to,

589
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: and suddenly Vonte's Perfect sat down at one of those

590
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: little round tables, and there weren't that many people around it,

591
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: but he started to gather reporters because of just who

592
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: he was. And I'll never forget that when they asked

593
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: about his inconsistent play, he would blame coaches. He openly

594
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: just blamed his coaches for how they put him in

595
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: into the defense, penalties, he blamed the refs, and you know,

596
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: why are you seen this way? A sort of a

597
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: cantankerous individual, he would blame reporters, and there was Bruce

598
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: Feldon of CBS Sports came out of that combine saying,

599
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sure any player here sparked a worse reaction

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00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: than Vaunte's Perfect. I wouldn't touch him, and no one

601
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: did touch him until Marvin Lewis picked him up as

602
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: an undrafted asset. That's a good point well as far

603
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: as what's next for him, even if the concussions allow

604
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: him to play. He was one of the worst linebackers

605
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL last year. Came in out of shape

606
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: after suspension and really was a major reason why their

607
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: defense was terrible after he got back. It was his

608
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: third straight year being suspended to start the season. I mean,

609
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty hard to do. I don't know if

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00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: it's ever happened in the history of the league. I

611
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: don't believe he's in line for a suspension to start

612
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. But he's gonna have to find a team first.

613
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: And other Bengals news, here's a smart move by the team.

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00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: You could say two sports. Tyler Iford's back in the building. UH,

615
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: the oft injured injured UH tight end twenty eight years

616
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: old now signed another one year deal the team. The

617
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: former first round pack pick back in two thousand thirteen.

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Speaker 1: When he's on the field, he's been a great red

619
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Speaker 1: zone target, but he has been as snake bitten by

620
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: injury as any player in football. Uh. He missed the

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Speaker 1: final twelve games of last year with a gruesome ankle injury. UH.

622
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Speaker 1: Back in he had thirteen touchdowns in just fourteen games.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's why I joke about it, But I

624
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: was serious when we're talking about sleepers in the free

625
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: agency UM field. Uh. He is a good pick up,

626
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: and any team would be good to take a flyer

627
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: on him on a prove a deal. And if he

628
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: stays healthy, he's gonna be a top ten tight end,

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Speaker 1: maybe top five, But I don't know if he can

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Speaker 1: stay healthy. You're Tyler Eifford joke has gotten no pushback

631
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Speaker 1: on this podcast because we all know that it's not

632
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: even a joke. Andy Dalton has been a different quarterback

633
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: when Tyler Iford's been healthy. Look at their one loss

634
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: record in games in which Tyler Eifford has played versus

635
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: when he's been injured, and it's it's not quite Gronk,

636
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: but it's pretty close. Now, I mean, miss He's been

637
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: fifty two games in five seasons, and and that's not

638
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: a big deal. In a free agency where Jesse James

639
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: got is getting nine million dollars for two thousand nineteen,

640
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: who would you rather have? That's why, that's why you

641
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: dig into these contracts a little bit. It was like

642
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: two years eleven million, but nine in the first year

643
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: you're given Jesse would rather Tyler Croft got a big

644
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: money three years from the Bills. I like Eifford better,

645
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: but who would you rather have over the next three

646
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: years or two years. Jesse James games for thirty two

647
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: games or thirty one games or Eifford for eight I

648
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: think because I would. I want to find a guy

649
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: on the street who can do with Jesse. I'm just saying,

650
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: you want availability you can't find, you know, put some

651
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: respect on Jesse James name. He just changed generations of

652
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: his family. Uh with his ability to catch that pig skin.

653
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's his ability to catch us getting paid.

654
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: You know, he also caught that pig skin in that

655
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: game It's the Patriots a few years and dropped to

656
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: his ability to move up the other large by the way,

657
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: shout out, shout out to Zach Taylor. So he's this guy,

658
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: thirty five year old. Um, he's the head coach of

659
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: the since in Addie Bengals. I don't think he's been mentioned,

660
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: former starting quarterback of the Cornascars. I just feel like

661
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor for a brand new head coach. Hey, wasn't

662
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: we see you out there? Zach Taylor making movie do things?

663
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: Has has a head coach ever entered the league quieter

664
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: than Zach Table I thought they were still looking for

665
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: their head coach. Helloi not. His career is over. He

666
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: announced his retirement after thirteen seasons. He does it in

667
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: a very settler way. I always thought that Mark, when

668
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: the time comes to quit, he'll do it in in

669
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: a profound way. One one in a way that you know,

670
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: again it's somewhere desolate and and and a place where

671
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: he could reflect on the journey of his life. Just

672
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: don't do it during the season. Mark, you keep saying

673
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: months from now, there was one you had one timetable

674
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: at some point that like put you out around October,

675
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: just like let us know before camp. Maybe you know

676
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean, I'm gonna do it when

677
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: I need to. Just like this, it's like an issue

678
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: that we're having with our fantasy baseball league. A couple

679
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: of guys that ran a team together announced like three

680
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: weeks before the draft, Oh, we're not doing it this year,

681
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: and then you hang the whole league out to dry

682
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: because you're scrambling to find somebody to fill the spot.

683
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: So mind leaving this show after seven eight years of

684
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: us being together. Is no more on par than with

685
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: your fantasy football people. I mean, he's just sayed more

686
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: than three weeks. Notice, I mean, I mean fantasy team

687
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: went back to two thousand two, though, like, well you

688
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: just know each other. I mean, very telling, but I'm

689
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, don't quit. But if you do quit, um

690
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: do it like Colodi Nada, who uh posted a photo

691
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: from a top Mount Kilimanjaro holding up a big old

692
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: sign announcing his retirement one of the cooler ways to

693
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: step away from the game. And let us not forget

694
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: Mark that not it was a great player for the Ravens.

695
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: Um selected in the first round in two thousand six.

696
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: Five Pro Bowls, two first team All Pros to second

697
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: team All pros um and then uh with the Ravens,

698
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, want to ring two thousands. I will say

699
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: one thing like I'll let these guys wig in on him,

700
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: the player, but I was aware of him the minute

701
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: he got drafted, because there were these reports all along.

702
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: In two thousand six, I was at my parents house

703
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: on some like I was not married or anything, didn't

704
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: even have a girlfriend, just like one of those things

705
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: where you fly to your parents house for vacation because

706
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: they'll pay for everything. And I'm watching the draft in

707
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: like the spare bedroom, and Cleveland had the twelve pick

708
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: in the first round, and you wanted to about all

709
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: the dark age stuff. Philed Savage was their GM and

710
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: spent the entire day, we learned later on on the

711
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: phone with Helloi Heloi Nada saying we are taking you.

712
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: You're going to be a Cleveland Brown and he's like,

713
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: back then two thousand six, the Browns hadn't been terrible

714
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: that long. Let's do it. I'm all on board. Then

715
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: then Phil Savage makes this bizarre first round trade with

716
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: the Niners. Were with the Ravens excuse me where he

717
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: allows Baltimore to hop scotch them from thirteen to twelve.

718
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: The Ravens take Hello, Holoni Nada? What happened there? And

719
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: the Browns take Mary and likely Hello Hellodi Nada played

720
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: for a hundred and thirty three awesome games and helped

721
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl. Wimbley and okay, player was

722
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: out of Cleveland in four years. Give me a break.

723
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: Wasn't Daniel Jeremiah scouting for the Ravens at the time

724
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: of that trade? He was more Chris Mortenson said he

725
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: he remembers he might have been with the Browns by

726
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: that now. He was saying, don't don't listen to the

727
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: pre draft talk that this guy takes place off. This

728
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: guy's sensational and I think, uh, you know that was

729
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: It was a big moment for Move the Sticks getting

730
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: not a drafted name a song with Kilimanjaro in the lyrics.

731
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: M m oh, it's saw the tip of My Tongue Chris,

732
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: recently covered by a famous nineties band, m m it's

733
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: Crosby Stills in nashev to Africa. Yes, there it is

734
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: well done Chris, as sure as kilimanjar rises like Olympus

735
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: above the Serengeti. One of the great videos, go watch

736
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: that video. I mean one of the great half to

737
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: performances in my life is seeing Rivers Cuomo deliver Toto

738
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: at halftime of a Santa Monica Community College football game.

739
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: Story Steve Smith, he made it sing what Rivers doing there?

740
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: He went there and he was trying to raise money

741
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: for him nice Ken Ken just got in my ear

742
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: and he said, well, I'm gonna before you jump in, Ken,

743
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it to a vote. Got in my

744
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: ear and said he has a total fact. Alright, there's

745
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: three people voting. I will abstain yes or no, give

746
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: me civil yes or no. Mark, do you want the

747
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: total fact from Kent? Concise one. I want the total total.

748
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: I thought it would be really funny if we just

749
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: said no, no, it should be the answer and then

750
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: we move on. And you know, I get the audience laughs.

751
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: I get the feeling. Greg. If I was started with you,

752
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: that would have smung the vote the other way. But

753
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: it didn't go that way. So what is the fact?

754
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: Ken the lead singer of Toto is the son of

755
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: movie composer John Williams. Did you guys know that? No?

756
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: I did not know that. Yeahn Williams is the Star

757
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: Wars guy. Yeah. And Indiana Jones Jaws pretty mu Jolston

758
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: his son needed a little more. That is a good nugget.

759
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: Max Unger is done. Nice transition. He's out. Uh the

760
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: center said, my body hurts. My entire lower half is

761
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: killing me, so I can't play professional football anymore. He's

762
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: turn at thirty three this year. Um. He missed one

763
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: year in four games with the Saints. Came over from

764
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in a trade, but Unger Jimmy Graham the

765
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham trade. That's right, was a major name in

766
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: that deal. But his career is over at age thirty three.

767
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: He was so frank about it, saying goodbye just not

768
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: just his body, just thought he's like he basically was

769
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: saying he thought he was past his prime, that he

770
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: wasn't nearly as good as he used to be. Some

771
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: of the PF numbers support that, But he didn't make

772
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl still, and I guess the Pro Bowl

773
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't mean too much. He made that Jimmy Graham

774
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: trade look a lot better than than it probably should have.

775
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: I think's inability to throw deep and from December on

776
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: last season wasn't the only issue with that offense. The

777
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: interior of the offensive line really shut down. I'm I'm

778
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: always impressed by someone who grew up in Hawaii and

779
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: just like as a great, great career on the mainland.

780
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: And then he said he's gone back to Hawaii, and

781
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: which that's what you gotta do, that's the move, that's

782
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's earned you always go back to Hawaii.

783
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: If you start in Hawaii, you should have to leave.

784
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: I understand why you leave, though, because you want to

785
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: see what else is out there in the as Check

786
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: says on the Big Blue Marble. I get that. And

787
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: then but then when it's time to bring it back down,

788
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, when you're getting closer to the soil once more,

789
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: come back home. Well, if you read Joseph Campbell, the

790
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: greatest part of the hero's journey is after you proving yourself,

791
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: you get to come back a different person. That the

792
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: Saints were very surprised by this, by the way, well

793
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: they sound. They signed his parent successor right to a

794
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: ton of money, a guy he's struggled, NICKI. Then this

795
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: entire off season has been a reminder if you don't

796
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: have a good offensive line coach or offensive gm that

797
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: in coaching staff that can build an offensive line, you're

798
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: gonna pay for it two times over. You're gonna pay

799
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: when they stink the first time around, and then you're

800
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: gonna overpay for these guys in free agency. It's gonna

801
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: bang it twice. What what they sounds like my household finances?

802
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying it sounded like your weekend there.

803
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, it definitely did not sound like to hear

804
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: about that. What they say about Hawaii, Mark that you

805
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: always come home? Do they say that about Connecticut? I

806
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: have not rised out of Connecticut. No. I was like

807
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: flushed out of there the minute that I was essentially

808
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: not you know, living in my chaper here. No, but

809
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: that that was at a period in time when I

810
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: was twenty something, you know, doing three day a week

811
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: temp chops, you know, dying Tom Salesco can afford to

812
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: live in Connecticut. He signs another extension with the Chargers

813
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: to remain their general manager. He's forty six years old.

814
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 1: Hold on, by the way, your brother, his dangerousness, Kevin

815
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: danger had that's some interesting Instagram stories about the St.

816
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: Patrick's Day activities in Pearl River. I'm just gonna give

817
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: you one takeaway. It looks like an ultra beautiful town.

818
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: It looked absolutely beautiful to do good work with the property.

819
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: I didn't see he somehow did not capture on film

820
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: the entrance to the coal mine. I only saw sort

821
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: of glee. Where did you create it? On the parade route? Well,

822
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: was this beautiful? Almost like downtown downs JFK Central curving,

823
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: the curve in the streets there. It's rich white that

824
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: that's certainly not not true, But that wouldn't be a

825
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: horrible thing either. Greg Um at the bottom of the

826
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: hill that's the entrance, I think that might be what

827
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: you know, It was just beautiful, and what happened and

828
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: what happens is and it is it looked like everybody's

829
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: having a great time. It didn't look like it's one

830
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: of the more Irish towns in the entire state of

831
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: New York. And everyone has a great parade to celebrate

832
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: their heritage. And then when they get to the bottom

833
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: of the hill west, they put down the Irish sweaters

834
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: and and they're guinness and they pick up a hard hat.

835
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: I think it's always a better idea to the mine

836
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hill, in the top of

837
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: the that's lower down, you know, I get closer. I

838
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: don't know why he didn't capture like the entire payoff

839
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: on his story. I didn't see any evidence of, you

840
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: know how those things I know, No, you must have

841
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: even swept up. Congratulations Tom Talasco. But he's done a

842
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: nice job at in his tenure. But they're they're treading

843
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: in the right direction. Well, he's showned the ability to

844
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: to build great rosters. And even before when they were

845
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: losing games to injuries and special teams play and kickers

846
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: who couldn't convert, we knew all along that this this

847
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: team had a good roster. He hits on first most

848
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: first round picks. He found Keenan Allen in the third

849
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: not found him that he's the one that you decided

850
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: we're taking this guy, Denzel Perriman in the later rounds Hunter,

851
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: Henry Derwin, James Joey Bosa, Melvin Gordon. I mean that's

852
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: you know a number of GM's just with on all

853
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: this stuff. Dominique Rogers Gramardi signs with the Redskins. UM

854
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: he was retired, as you recall, uh, just five months ago.

855
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: He decided to walk away from the game. UM, but

856
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: changes his mind. So with Redskins, he reunites with Landon Collins,

857
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: his former Big Blue teammate, who just signed a six

858
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: year deal of course with Washington. UH. DRC turns thirty

859
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: three next month, so we'll see what he has left

860
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: in the tank. But Washington decided this is a move

861
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: worth making. Greg. I mean, it's good to see DRC back.

862
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: I remember when he threatened to retire five years ago.

863
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: But I think West had heard some some report about

864
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: this story which blew my mind. What was that? My guys,

865
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: the sports junkies out of Washington, d C. I've been

866
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: listening to these guys. Shoot. I used to pull him

867
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: down at midnight from Westwood One Radio in the days

868
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: right after I quit the Post office and started at

869
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: a law firm. This is going back years. Um, They've

870
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: been on this scene for that long, and they don't

871
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: usually report like news hard news. Where you go with this,

872
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: They said this morning reliably informed that Bruce Allen is

873
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: making all decisions for the Washington Redskins without consulting Jake

874
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: Gruden in the least. So Jake ridden isn't the dark

875
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: on all of these moves. The head coach um, and

876
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: they pretty much said they're never going to admit to

877
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: this because it's not the way any NFL team wanted

878
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: to be known at the running a franchise. But as

879
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: soon as Jay Gruden is fired, which will probably be

880
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: after the next season or during the next season, they

881
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: fully expect Jay Gruden to come out and say, Hey,

882
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't consulted on anything. This is all Bruce Allen's doing.

883
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: And I think it goes to show that like Bruce

884
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: Allen is so insulated, I don't think I don't think

885
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: the Redskins realize how they're viewed outside of that of

886
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: team headquarters. They talked about Gruden with the Landon Collins

887
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: signing that would be your big offseason move. He just

888
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: found out about it the way that we did through

889
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: the media. It's it's totally why Bruce Allen's has been around.

890
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: He's an interesting character. I mean, he's the son of

891
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: one of the most legendary football coaches in NFL history,

892
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: right built the Buccaneers with with John Gruden. You know,

893
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: started started with the Raiders. Uh was an executive there.

894
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: And he reminds me of like the rest of the

895
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: world kind of operates this way. He seems really good

896
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: at just amassing power and controlling power and having control

897
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: of the business that he's running. This is a country

898
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: where that's rewarded quite heavily. I mean, that's how it's

899
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: pretty much that's that's supposed to be a great thing.

900
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: Like he's he's essentially you know, hitting home runs by

901
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: making Bruce Allen a top level executive for the longest time,

902
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: with very little track record that any of it is

903
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: working or doing well. But he seems uniquely excellent in Oakland,

904
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: Tampa and here at amassing power, getting rid of enemies

905
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: and and just I don't know, surviving. I once sat

906
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: next to him on an airplane and route to an

907
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: NFL event, And I want to tell you, I could

908
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: feel that like energy and that power ouzing off him,

909
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: but that was the opposite of what I felt. Yeah,

910
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: it seems like a nice guy when he talks. And

911
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, but I've worked most

912
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: of my adult life to separate myself from people who

913
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: want to a mass power and think only of themselves, right,

914
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: but power for power sake, Which is funny because like

915
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: in the rest of like the world, or at least

916
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: in this country, it's like that's almost like applauded, like,

917
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: oh yeah, well he's he's actually he's a great success.

918
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: Like that's but in sports you don't really get applauded

919
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: for that. Also to be good at what you do too, right,

920
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like how many executives? Is that? Right?

921
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: But how many? That's what That's kind of my point

922
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: is like executives all over this country making you know,

923
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: tens of millions. Yeah, many of them aren't good at

924
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: their job. E there, they're just good at amassing power.

925
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: But we're not writing, we're not like focusing a fan

926
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: base around the CEO the media. They just they're collecting

927
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: page I'm a huge one. Stead In Johnson. I don't

928
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: know what um great stuff they're rebuilding correct, very corrupt,

929
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: dig into it a few more moves, let's hit him quickly.

930
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: Bryce Callahan, the slot corner for the Broncos, um signed

931
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: a excuse me, signed a three year deal where twenty

932
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: one million with the Broncos. Uh missed the end of

933
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: last year with a foot injury, but slots into a

934
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: secondary that looks like it could be better on paper.

935
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: Chris Harris, Kareem Jackson's in town and Bryce Callahan, well,

936
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: I thought he was the best slot receiver in the

937
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: NFL last year until he went down with that foot injury.

938
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: And part of that, of course, is because they got

939
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: so much consistent pressure up front, and he was playing

940
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: with two great safeties behind him, so that makes his

941
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: job easier. But it's also reuniting him with Vic Fongio,

942
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: who was running it. The Eagles and Ronald Darby agreed

943
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: to a one year contract. Rap Sheet reported this one.

944
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: ESPN first had it. He suffered a torn a c

945
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: l this past November, so he's in the recovery phase,

946
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: but the Eagles and Darby stay in business. We'll see

947
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: if he can help the team. That's not too far off,

948
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: far long ago. Now a c L turn November that

949
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: will set him back in his offseason planning. Both these

950
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: last two contracts made it on my best con tracks

951
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: West his favorite piece of content that I've produced. Now,

952
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I like these short term deals and I think that's like,

953
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: that's basically the future. Like the smartest teams are doing

954
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: essentially these cheap one year deals, and they're not afraid

955
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: of the unknown, Like they're not afraid of going into

956
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: each offseason just having to figure things out with these

957
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: one year contracts. Is he gonna be ready for Week one?

958
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: That's like I said, November, we'll see if he if

959
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: he finally the Raiders, uh, finally part ways with Donald

960
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: donald Penn. I feel like this has been years in

961
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: the making. The veteran tackle who has been with the

962
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: Raiders for five years, um moves on. He they cut

963
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: ties and um at an age now where his career

964
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: could keep going. But I believe he's thirty four. Uh,

965
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: it could be a situation where he's got to kind

966
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: of catch on wherever he can, Um Donald Penn. Does

967
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: he bring value to the team, does he have anywhere

968
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: would he be on the top of one oh one.

969
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: How about that. I believe he's thirty six years old.

970
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: The Texans are showing interest reportedly, Um, the word out

971
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: of Oakland is that he became more troubled than he

972
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: was worth as his skills started to decline. The locker

973
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: room lawyer, uh like the Coulton Miller, like draft pick,

974
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: did not help give me a locker room lawyer. He

975
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: was always trying to get paid regardless of how well

976
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: he played. Was sort of the way I heard. Because

977
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: he's great when he's on NFL network may be just

978
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: like he strikes me as one of those like the

979
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: coaches don't like it when the players are smartest. I mean,

980
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: he seems like he might be one of the smartest

981
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: people in the room, in any room. And the Grooten

982
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: era began with Donald Penn as this big Grooden guy

983
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: who knew him from the ages ago, and they were vows,

984
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: they were real tight. They both loved it. And then

985
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: look where it ends. He um. He spent some time

986
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: at Tony PA's and Marina del Rey and one of

987
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: my old hangouts. Donald Penn, known to frequent that big

988
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: big Man, Big huge Man, met him at the Odors

989
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: meetings last year, Mark at that soire they threw on

990
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: Monday evening. Do you remember that party last year? I

991
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: do remember that it was meeting a giant of a man.

992
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: That's all I recall. I mean, I can't say anything else.

993
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: Drafted by John Grun and Bruce Allen at all. It's

994
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: life all right coming up this week. So, yes, this

995
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: is Monday's show. I hope you enjoyed it. We'll have

996
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: another show on Wednesday. Friday, we won't have a show

997
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: because we'll be traveling. We'll be traveling off to Phoenix, Arizona,

998
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: lovely Phoenix, UH to meet with multiple players owners excuse me,

999
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: neither players nor owners, but coaches and some gms, maybe

1000
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: a lot of them in fact. So we'll get to

1001
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: talk it up, chop it up, hopefully get some info

1002
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: on where their teams are headed. That's gonna be fun.

1003
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: Those were fun shows last year. It was the first

1004
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: time we did it. They're bringing us back. It seems

1005
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: like a good son got some good content meeting these

1006
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: coaches and we're still finding out. By the way, we

1007
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: have not been told where it is. This is the

1008
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: one event where you have an opportunity to stay in

1009
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: the same hotel as the owners, so you can only

1010
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: imagine it's a nice hotel. Well, I heard today from

1011
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: a shadow leak figure, I have not decided if we

1012
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: will be staying in the luxury hotel. I was told

1013
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: the same. It did not sound, um we could be

1014
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: in the days In, it'd be It'll be just like

1015
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,479
Speaker 1: a little one star down about an uber right away,

1016
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: right because because the the Orlando set up, we actually

1017
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: didn't stay in the same hotels and they were just connected,

1018
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: so it all sort of worked that way. Borrowing from

1019
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: Kent's approach, here, I have a factoid about days In.

1020
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: Should we vote on it? Do I get to vote no? Chris?

1021
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean I've already piste off West enough with this contract. Sorry,

1022
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I knew that was going

1023
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: to say days In started on Tybee Island, Georgia. Wow,

1024
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Better than the It's great. Sorry, I

1025
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: don't know. John Williams Son being the lead singer Toto,

1026
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good fact. I mean, yeah, disagree if

1027
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: you're like a huge John Williams fan, But it's two

1028
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. You know, Greg, You're always you know denigrating anything.

1029
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: You just said. It was a terrible I wasn't going

1030
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: after John Williams's career. The man is a titan in

1031
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: his industry. He's great, he's great. Yeah, he's a legend,

1032
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: he's timeless, he's still working. I'm I'm all the way

1033
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: back when I watched like a documentary about him. Now,

1034
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: shout out to Rosanna or Quette who inspired to eighties

1035
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: hits because lead singers were going after Yeah, what's the

1036
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: other one? I think it's from Rio Speedwag and I'm

1037
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: not sure which one? All right, definitely Wait, So there

1038
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: was more. There was more sniping between West and Greg

1039
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: after I like, no, I just it was one of

1040
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: those things where well West made a one of I think,

1041
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: more convincing arguments to not go with a different type

1042
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: of segment today, and Greg was very I thought, amiable

1043
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: about the whole thing, and then it comes up here

1044
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: in the show. I couldn't agree more with West. That's

1045
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: why I can with friends. That's what you do with friends.

1046
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: I thought you were insinuating that something else happened after

1047
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: I left the room. Now I am insituating it just

1048
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: stuck in. It's some it's somehow stuck in Greg's It

1049
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: was a little hot and heavy for a Monday Morning's

1050
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: not often that I really fight for or against. I

1051
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I wasn't that into the segment either, which I,

1052
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, indicated multiple times You're you were not like

1053
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: pushing that on a scrag either. But it did come

1054
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: up two or three times during the show about west

1055
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: reaction of an indication that's sticking with you a little bit. Yeah,

1056
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: that's what that's what friends do. Then you get you

1057
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: have a little fun with him. Greg taught us about

1058
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: friend chat today and that was good. All right, So

1059
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: that's it. We're excited to go back close to the

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Speaker 1: owner's hotel. Hopefully we get security clearance before the big weekend.

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Speaker 1: I was told the staff that we're going with are

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Speaker 1: being de prioritized versus us. It's not a package that

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Speaker 1: they're going to try to get the four of us

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Speaker 1: in the in the a hotel, even if it means,

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Speaker 1: you know, people that we know and don't want to

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Speaker 1: mention on the show who are sort of coming along

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Speaker 1: as the caravan going to the second hold. If Brickie

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Speaker 1: Hollywood ever shows up again in this country, she may

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Speaker 1: be b hotel hearing. I'm hearing whispers that she may

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Speaker 1: not be part of a hotel. Pretty funny, the hotel

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Speaker 1: scenario would be pretty funny. That's not gonna go over well,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's it. Ken, You've done great work for

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Speaker 1: us for four episodes and we just want to, personally

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Speaker 1: on the show take a moment to say thank you. Yeah, thanks,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Great job not taking a vacation during the

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Speaker 1: busiest time of the year. Wait to wait to be

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Speaker 1: can alright good, that's uh, that's it. Dan Hands is

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Speaker 1: signing off four. The Quiet Storm, the mail Man, the

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Speaker 1: Old Boss, Ken Brown behind the glass, It's Brown time,

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Speaker 1: It's Ken's moment. Jill wins there