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Speaker 1: Welcome to an unusual evening edition of Counterpoints. I'm Ryan Grimm.
Speaker 1: We're going to be joined by Emily Kashinsky from Milwaukee
Speaker 1: at the Republican National Convention. Emily, how are things going
Speaker 1: out there?
Speaker 3: Well, they're going, Ryan.
Speaker 4: I've been talking to a lot of people about the
Speaker 4: JD Vance pick, which I know we can discuss on
Speaker 4: the show. Got some interviews with folks, you know. Just
Speaker 4: talk to one woman local, she's selling dresses here. She
Speaker 4: right When I asked her how things are going, she said,
Speaker 4: the energy is high.
Speaker 3: She was really excited.
Speaker 4: They're dooining some you can hear they're doing some sound
Speaker 4: tests behind me. Tom Cotton just recited the Gettysburg address.
Speaker 4: So things are proceeding apace.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought that we were both going to have
Speaker 1: our solidarity bandages for Trump Totos solmos Trump. But since
Speaker 1: you don't have yours, I guess I'm gonna take mine
Speaker 1: off here. But I still wish him well in his
Speaker 1: in his a full, earful recovery. You know, how are
Speaker 1: people feeling. I want to get to some of the
Speaker 1: speeches from last night. We're going to talk about you know,
Speaker 1: Jade Vance's you know, keynote speech tonight, but I want
Speaker 1: to hear just what the vibe is among people first
Speaker 1: around the Trump assassination attempt. What like, are you hearing
Speaker 1: anything different there on the ground than we're hearing just
Speaker 1: generally from people around the country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is really the big question.
Speaker 4: I think probably the one thing on everybody's mind is
Speaker 4: what Donald Trump is going to say on Thursday, because
Speaker 4: he said so little. He's put out some posts on
Speaker 4: truth social but he's really taken a backstep or a
Speaker 4: back seat to this, you know, not Trump himself.
Speaker 3: Everything is about Trump.
Speaker 4: There's Trump posters everywhere, people are already saw selling t
Speaker 4: shirts of the fist raised in the air moment from Saturday.
Speaker 4: But him himself, you know, he really hasn't been in
Speaker 4: front of cameras doing a lot of talking himself, and
Speaker 4: I think that's really intentional. And I think one of
Speaker 4: the big ongoing questions is how Donald Trump, in his
Speaker 4: big prime time moment, is actually going to handle what
Speaker 4: happened to him with the trauma that just as a
Speaker 4: human being, would affect anybody. And we still don't have
Speaker 4: an answer to that except for kind of reading body
Speaker 4: language he's been.
Speaker 3: You know, I was.
Speaker 4: I was watching him last night and I was looking
Speaker 4: right down at him from the press gallery and he
Speaker 4: was stoic, I think is the best word I would
Speaker 4: used to describe him. He wasn't giving a lot of reaction.
Speaker 4: It wasn't, you know, applauding at mines that I felt
Speaker 4: were written to be applauded at by Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 4: He was sitting there stoically, smiling a little bit, but
Speaker 4: just not giving too much away.
Speaker 3: And I think it's intentional.
Speaker 1: His first entry into the arena he looked and subdued.
Speaker 1: It's sort of the first time, you know, since he's
Speaker 1: been a national political figure. I think that people are
Speaker 1: having a hard time reading him. He's the most kind
Speaker 1: of wears everything on his sleeve, kind of person. Is
Speaker 1: that unsettling to people? Or are they excited about the
Speaker 1: possibility of a new Trump? Are they nervous about where
Speaker 1: this is going?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How are people feeling about it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: I just talked to one congressman who said he doesn't
Speaker 4: want a new Trump, a Republican Congressman Ban Klein from Virginia,
Speaker 4: who I said, you know, what are we expecting to
Speaker 4: hear from Donald Trump? Yes or tomorrow? And he said,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want a new Trump. He said,
Speaker 4: you know, it would change anyone basically can roll the clip.
Speaker 4: But you know, I don't think people are unsettled. I
Speaker 4: think the kinds of people who are coming here to
Speaker 4: the R and C are the kinds of people who
Speaker 4: had already seen from their perspective this man be convicted
Speaker 4: of what thirty four felony charges. They've already seen him
Speaker 4: go through hell and come out as they see it
Speaker 4: on top. So I think this is the demographic of
Speaker 4: people that already felt like they had walked through the
Speaker 4: fire with Donald Trump. So there's more I think confidence,
Speaker 4: and there's a sense of weight and gravity to everything
Speaker 4: that probably wouldn't have been here without Saturday. But this
Speaker 4: is a group of people that already was you know,
Speaker 4: hardcore Trump supporters, lovers, loyalists, and that I think that's
Speaker 4: the same as it would have been anywhere.
Speaker 1: And they got to see Nicky Haley benning the knee
Speaker 1: last night speaking of Trump supporters. So let's roll a
Speaker 1: little bit of our speech. I want to hear your
Speaker 1: action to how she was received.
Speaker 5: President Trump asked me to speak to this convention in
Speaker 5: the name of unity. It was a gracious invitation and
Speaker 5: I was happy to accept. I'll start by making one
Speaker 5: thing perfectly clear. Donald Trump has my strong endorsement period.
Speaker 1: So how was Haley received, and how did Haley's How
Speaker 1: are Haley's delegates interacting with the Trump delegates.
Speaker 4: I haven't actually seen any interactions between the Haley delegates
Speaker 4: and the Trump delegates, and have seen absolutely no evidence
Speaker 4: of any rift that that currently exists in the Republican Party,
Speaker 4: except for as I've heard a couple of people talk
Speaker 4: about jd Vance. You know, I had, you know, one
Speaker 4: strategist tell me that in a story that I wrote
Speaker 4: for Unheard, and then had some harsh words, let's say
Speaker 4: for jd Vance. But other than that, it has been
Speaker 4: Trump Trump, Trump, Uh not a lot of remaining questions.
Speaker 4: Very different from how things were in one sixteen. Obviously, Ryan,
Speaker 4: you will remember that. And so Nicki Haley took the
Speaker 4: stage yesterday.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 4: I was watching here in the convention center booze. It
Speaker 4: was a mix of booze and cheers, and then the
Speaker 4: booze were kind of drowned out by the cheers, and
Speaker 4: she was ultimately quite well received. She started very intentionally
Speaker 4: by saying that she was here at the invitation of
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, and she accepted.
Speaker 3: You know, she didn't want.
Speaker 4: It to look like she had begged for a speaking slot.
Speaker 4: She wanted it to be very clear that Donald Trump
Speaker 4: had given her the speaking slot. She was followed right
Speaker 4: afterwards by Ronda Santis.
Speaker 1: And so let's roll a little bit of Rond de
Speaker 1: Santis with his trademark Humer. You know, here's here's Florida
Speaker 1: Governor DeSantis.
Speaker 6: My fellow Republican. Let's send Joe Biden back to his
Speaker 6: basement and let send Donald Trump back to the White House.
Speaker 6: Life was more affordable when Donald Trump was president. Our
Speaker 6: border was safer under the Trump administration, and our country
Speaker 6: was respected when Donald Trump was our commander in chief.
Speaker 6: After all, if not us, who, and if not now, when,
Speaker 6: Let's make the forty fifth president of the United States
Speaker 6: the forty seventh president of the United States. Let's elect
Speaker 6: Republicans up and down the ballot, and let's heed the
Speaker 6: call of our party's nominee to fight, fight, fight for
Speaker 6: these United States. Thank you, God, bless you.
Speaker 1: Let win in November. Thank you so much so. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the Florida governor couldn't quite get out of that manly
Speaker 1: joke without a voice crack. But otherwise, how did his
Speaker 1: speech land with people?
Speaker 3: Really well?
Speaker 4: He was really well received, no boos at all for
Speaker 4: Ron Desantas. Trump looked very pleased. There was one video
Speaker 4: going around online of Trump very much enjoying the weekend
Speaker 4: at Bernie's jokes made. But Desanta's was very very forceful,
Speaker 4: and people were really loving what he had to say.
Speaker 4: And again it was back to back Nicki Haley Ron
Speaker 4: de Santis. And it was, you know, in a sense,
Speaker 4: politically smart that they paired it that way, because it
Speaker 4: looked not just like, oh hi, we love Nikki Haley,
Speaker 4: we love Rond de Santis. It looked like, here is
Speaker 4: everybody rallying behind Donald Trump. This is the quote Unity
Speaker 4: Show that the Trump campaign was presenting to everybody, and
Speaker 4: it was well received. Just some booze for Nicki Haley,
Speaker 4: But like I said, those were drowned out by cheers.
Speaker 1: And so then Vivek. Nobody gives a speech like Vivec.
Speaker 1: He came out on stage as well. Let's watch a
Speaker 1: little bit of him.
Speaker 7: Our message to black Americans is this. The media has
Speaker 7: tried to convince you for decades that Republicans don't care
Speaker 7: about your communities, but we do. We want for you
Speaker 7: what we want for every American. Safe neighborhoods, clean streets,
Speaker 7: good jobs, a better life for your children, and a
Speaker 7: justice system that treats everyone equally, regardless of your skin
Speaker 7: color and regardless of your political beliefs. Our message to
Speaker 7: every legal immigrant in this country is this, you're like
Speaker 7: my parents. You deserve the opportunity to secure a better
Speaker 7: life for your children in America. But our message to
Speaker 7: illegal immigrants is also this. We will return you to
Speaker 7: your country of origin, not because you're all bad people,
Speaker 7: but because you broke the law and the United States
Speaker 7: of America, who was founded on the rule of law.
Speaker 7: And our message to gen Z is this, You're going
Speaker 7: to be the generation that actually saves this country. You
Speaker 7: want to be a rebel, you want to be a hippie,
Speaker 7: you want to stick it to the man, show up
Speaker 7: on your college campus and try calling yourself a conservative one.
Speaker 7: Say you want to get married, have kids, teach him
Speaker 7: to believe in God, and pledge allegiance to their country.
Speaker 1: So how how was Ramaswami received?
Speaker 3: Extremely well?
Speaker 4: Ryan, I just keep going down the line here, but
Speaker 4: everyone is being well received in these primetime speeches, and
Speaker 4: you know they've done rewriting. They've clearly done rewriting of
Speaker 4: these speeches since Saturday, and you could read something really
Speaker 4: cynical into that that they had. You know, Trump himself
Speaker 4: mentioned his speech for Thursday was going to be a
Speaker 4: quote barn Burner, and he's ripped it up and come
Speaker 4: up with a new speech, which again everybody's waiting to hear.
Speaker 4: So you could say that maybe this was all toned
Speaker 4: down intentionally, or you could say that just you know,
Speaker 4: the trauma of what happened on Saturday would obviously change
Speaker 4: the convention no matter what. So it's probably a mix
Speaker 4: of both, to be quite honest, given that Trump himself
Speaker 4: was even saying that. But the thek I thought was
Speaker 4: really interesting in making a clear pitch to millennials and
Speaker 4: gen Z. Right after he made his clear pitch to
Speaker 4: millennials and gen Z, Lee Greenwood took the stage just
Speaker 4: a fountain of youth. And you know, it's a bunch
Speaker 4: of boomers kind of dancing on the convention floor to
Speaker 4: a rousing Lee Greenwood live performance.
Speaker 3: And you know that's to be expected.
Speaker 4: Of any political party that you're sort of torn between
Speaker 4: these two demographics. But I thought that they gave a
Speaker 4: very effective speech. He he's liked by a lot of people.
Speaker 4: He's very well liked by a lot of people. Here
Speaker 4: are a lot of you know, delegates and the like,
Speaker 4: and a lot of talk that he's going to run
Speaker 4: for Senate in Ohio too.
Speaker 1: And is there is there any chance that to Wine
Speaker 1: you think names him. It seems like if to want,
Speaker 1: if it's left to the Wine, like, if he's not
Speaker 1: under pressure, there's zero chance he names it. But might
Speaker 1: be under pressure, I don't know what's what's what's the
Speaker 1: read there about that choice? Or he would just run then,
Speaker 1: you know, to replace him down the road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's so.
Speaker 4: I did see Mike DeWine here yesterday, he's he's making
Speaker 4: the round. I don't think there's any chance that he
Speaker 4: would appoint the vake Ramaswami to that Senate seat should
Speaker 4: Trump and Vance actually win. But I would imagine that
Speaker 4: Vivik would have a very good chance if he ran
Speaker 4: for that Senate seat of winning the Senate seat, even
Speaker 4: just based on the reaction to everybody here. The Ohio
Speaker 4: delegation as JD. Vance came into the convention center yesterday
Speaker 4: with all the pomp and circumstances, was doing the Ohio
Speaker 4: you know arm signals, and we're very enthusiastic about Vance,
Speaker 4: and Ohio is in such an interesting state politically.
Speaker 3: They really like their own Ohio people.
Speaker 4: So I would think, you know, if the vike Ramaswami,
Speaker 4: he would seem to have a good chance because he's
Speaker 4: really been out there about his his love for Ohio,
Speaker 4: and I think people really like him here, people really
Speaker 4: like him in the conservative movement. Trump people like him,
Speaker 4: and he's interesting to people kind of across the Aislezo.
Speaker 1: And what about the substance of the speeches, you know,
Speaker 1: the theme being you know, crime and immigration. What'd you take
Speaker 1: away from, you know what the politics of that were.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the theme of the first night, as I know
Speaker 4: Sager discussed, was you were there as well, make America
Speaker 4: wealthy again. And the theme of last night was make
Speaker 4: America safe again. And we're just kind of going down
Speaker 4: the line here this week. But what's interesting about that
Speaker 4: is the safety issue, the crime issue. I mean, they
Speaker 4: had an incredible speech from a woman who lost her
Speaker 4: son to fentanyl. I mean it was it was incredible
Speaker 4: and real stories of people who had lost loved ones
Speaker 4: to crime and drugs. And interestingly enough, when we're talking
Speaker 4: about Trump being sort of what was the word you used,
Speaker 4: I really liked it. Somber tripping, somber stoic, Uh, maybe
Speaker 4: a little lower key then you normally see Trump. He
Speaker 4: was most animated when those average people were sharing their stories.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't even close.
Speaker 4: So when you know, normal Americans were sharing their you know,
Speaker 4: personal stories of tragedy and loss to crime and drugs,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump was that was by far when he was
Speaker 4: most animated. He seemed to be enjoying those speeches of
Speaker 4: the most and more than any of the politicians. Honestly,
Speaker 4: so I think you know you're still hearing this. The themes
Speaker 4: are just not compartmentalized because they're so on message, right
Speaker 4: They're so on message about Biden inflation and Biden mygrant
Speaker 4: crime every day, and so the compartmentalization is almost an
Speaker 4: afterthought because right now Republicans are trying to be kind
Speaker 4: of transcendent and almost uninteresting right like now, Biden is
Speaker 4: kind of the chaos candidate, and they're trying to just
Speaker 4: stay on message, which is kind of a quick turn
Speaker 4: of events.
Speaker 1: There was a little fun chaos on the floor this week.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to leave this segment without playing this this
Speaker 1: clip that we've been graced with of Matt Gates taunting
Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, who was trying to do a News Nation interview,
Speaker 1: which is embarrassing enough and it's in its own right,
Speaker 1: let's roll this.
Speaker 3: You would get booed off the stage.
Speaker 7: Shut up, Gates, dude, I don't even know are It
Speaker 7: doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: So if I'm not Gates, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: could hear it there. But at one point he says
Speaker 1: to this guy who's telling him, don't be an a hole,
Speaker 1: he says, I don't even know who you are, which
Speaker 1: is one of the most like jerk things to do,
Speaker 1: Like who are Who do you think you are? Like
Speaker 1: to say, I don't know, I don't know who you are,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who you are, just come on, get out,
Speaker 1: stop with this. But otherwise, kind of funny, What night
Speaker 1: are you speaking, Kevin? What night you're speaking? Really wanted
Speaker 1: to kind of rub salt in the wound? What did
Speaker 1: what did you make of that?
Speaker 4: M You know, Matt Gates is really well liked here,
Speaker 4: really really well liked here. He was, i believe, last night,
Speaker 4: actually in the Trump box with people like Marjorie Taylor Green,
Speaker 4: you know, socializing with Trump's inner circle. So he's not
Speaker 4: relegated to the fringe here, that's for sure. He's someone
Speaker 4: who you know, gets chased when he's out at the convention.
Speaker 4: People want to talk to him, people want to shake
Speaker 4: his hand, to get selfie's.
Speaker 3: And all of that.
Speaker 4: So I would probably argue that Matt Gates is more
Speaker 4: popular than Kevin McCarthy here, to be quite honest, although
Speaker 4: I think at least with you know, people that aren't
Speaker 4: just the the hardcore Republican demographic, Kevin McCarthy.
Speaker 3: Probably got the best of that exchange.
Speaker 4: If you saw the viral videos online of McCarthy just
Speaker 4: kind of batting him away like a nat.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the people you spoke with
Speaker 1: while you were out there, and anybody you want to
Speaker 1: you want to queue up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I mentioned earlier that we talked to Congressman Ben
Speaker 4: Klein from Virginia, sort of insendent member of Congress who
Speaker 4: you mentioned. He doesn't want a new Trump, he likes
Speaker 4: the Vance pick. I wanted to talk to people about JD.
Speaker 4: Vance because he's the focus today. Really he's speaking. It
Speaker 4: will be the first speech that he's given. And conservative
Speaker 4: movement people here, not just new right people, but conservative
Speaker 4: movement people here are really.
Speaker 3: Excited about JD. Vance.
Speaker 4: There's a ton of enthusiasm. His wife is speaking tonight
Speaker 4: as well. People haven't heard a lot from her yet,
Speaker 4: and they're excited to see her on stage and to
Speaker 4: kind of meet a new person, meet the new sort
Speaker 4: of family face of the Republican Party's future, as a
Speaker 4: lot of people see it.
Speaker 3: So I was interested to.
Speaker 4: Hear that from Congressman Klein because of reporting in places
Speaker 4: like Politico from some old GOP hands as they're sourcing,
Speaker 4: is that there is a divide. The Wall Street Journal
Speaker 4: has had some harsh words unsurprisingly for JD Vans, but
Speaker 4: you know, among regular people here to the extent you
Speaker 4: can be regular if you're at the Republican National Convention.
Speaker 4: There's just a lot of excitement about JD.
Speaker 3: Vance.
Speaker 4: Terry Shilling, who's been on the show before, Big Ally
Speaker 4: Big Ally of Vance. He runs basically a family values
Speaker 4: group that spends a lot of money on things like
Speaker 4: women's sports and those really red meat cultural issues. He's
Speaker 4: very excited that Advance was the pick. So talk to
Speaker 4: him and talked to a local woman who's here selling
Speaker 4: dresses and felt the energy was really good. Felt the
Speaker 4: attention on Milwaukee is really good. So let's take a listen.
Speaker 4: Everyone's feeling good, having a good time here so far,
Speaker 4: everyone's excited about Trump and JD.
Speaker 8: Vance.
Speaker 9: I would just say that energy here is just so amazing.
Speaker 9: Everyone's excited to be here, The security has been amazing,
Speaker 9: and there's no place who'd rather be than here this weekend.
Speaker 4: Some reporting is that people aren't not everyone is excited
Speaker 4: about the Jdvance pick, But you feel.
Speaker 3: Good about it.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 10: I think JD represents the future of the party, and
Speaker 10: Trump has great policies that represent the working man and
Speaker 10: jd Vance is going to continue those and help to
Speaker 10: put those into place once Donald Trump wins the White House.
Speaker 8: He is a champion not just for families, but for
Speaker 8: working Americans, for everyday people that just want a voice,
Speaker 8: that want to know that they matter, that that they're
Speaker 8: not just run by a bunch of elite clowns in Washington,
Speaker 8: d c. And on Wall Street in Hollywood. We are
Speaker 8: a great nation. We have a great people here, and
Speaker 8: and jd Vance understands that. He knows that it comes
Speaker 8: from the from the from the bottom up, not the
Speaker 8: top down.
Speaker 1: Anything you want to underline about any of those interviews,
Speaker 1: it's you.
Speaker 4: Know, it sounds like a GOP talking point, Ryan, but
Speaker 4: it's actually true in this case. You know, not all
Speaker 4: talking points are false. There's just a lot of unity here.
Speaker 4: And were you at Were you at Cleveland in twenty sixteen?
Speaker 4: I actually wasn't there, but I think it's worth highlighting
Speaker 4: just how dramatically different that is, because there were actual
Speaker 4: fights on the floor. You know, people like Kim Kuchinelli,
Speaker 4: I think maybe even Ted Cruz at the time.
Speaker 1: The large yeah, right, cru didn't even endorse Trump in
Speaker 1: his speech, and what just what was booed throughout the
Speaker 1: entire like second half of it.
Speaker 4: There's just none of that, And there's no underhanded comments
Speaker 4: along the lines of like what you would see if
Speaker 4: you talk to the Wall Street Journal editorial board about
Speaker 4: vance populism and stadism or you know, Trump.
Speaker 3: Being you know, such a joke or unfit.
Speaker 4: Like there's there's no reluctance about Donald Trump anymore. I
Speaker 4: think that's what I'm really trying to say is that
Speaker 4: there's just not people who are kind of begrudgingly aboard
Speaker 4: the Trump train, like just about everybody here is. And
Speaker 4: maybe this is actually different if Saturday didn't happen, that
Speaker 4: maybe you would still hear some of the grumbling over Trump.
Speaker 4: But there's absolutely none of that anymore.
Speaker 1: And twenty sixteen also had Clint Eastwood, which perhaps they're
Speaker 1: gonna no that was That was twenty twelve twelve with
Speaker 1: Mitt Romney.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, you're getting old, yes.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, that's right, yes, right, because he was he
Speaker 1: was saying that he was interviewing Obama in a chair,
Speaker 1: but there was actually nobody in the chair, but he
Speaker 1: was saying it was Obama. That's right, Yes, I am
Speaker 1: mixing up, mixing up my conventions. So no, no Clinice
Speaker 1: would uh this this year. But just give us a
Speaker 1: little preview of what people are are expecting from dance tonight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think they're expecting a very polished JD.
Speaker 4: Vance who talks about the red meat issues like immigration.
Speaker 4: I think they're expecting to hear that for sure, about elites,
Speaker 4: about that kind of US versus them dynamic. And one
Speaker 4: thing we could probably put a tear shoot up of
Speaker 4: this that I think is worth highlighting, not just in
Speaker 4: the context of JD. Vance, but when we were talking
Speaker 4: about Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley.
Speaker 3: I wrote for Unheard this.
Speaker 4: Morning that as Democrats, I mean, there's that ap Nork
Speaker 4: poll that came out today, Joe Biden did his Lester
Speaker 4: Whole interview on Monday Day. Democrats right now, it's like
Speaker 4: two thirds of them in that poll want someone other
Speaker 4: than Joe Biden. It's suddenly, after Republicans were hammering this
Speaker 4: for years about Biden's frailty, suddenly Democrats are paying attention
Speaker 4: and listening and Republicans aren't talking about it at all
Speaker 4: here fascinatingly, And you know, some of the people I
Speaker 4: talked to said, you know, the Democrats right now are
Speaker 4: like the Soviets in Afghanistan. The Republicans are letting the
Speaker 4: wildfire burn on its own. Another said that after Saturday
Speaker 4: it was just a matter of a source said, everyone
Speaker 4: understanding it's us versus them, and Biden is not up
Speaker 4: to the job, so you don't have to be talking
Speaker 4: about that. So I actually wouldn't expect, you know, Ron
Speaker 4: de Sant's and Nikki Haley each had like a line
Speaker 4: about it, and it was just eluding, kind of joking.
Speaker 4: Sarah kckebe Sanders, whose speech was I would say the
Speaker 4: most well received of the principal speeches last night. Like people,
Speaker 4: she got a massive applause, but Vate got massive applause too,
Speaker 4: But Sarah Hackeby Sanders was has clearly endeared herself to
Speaker 4: this crowd. People absolutely loved her. She had one line
Speaker 4: about it too. I'm not expecting to hear a lot
Speaker 4: about it from Vance. I'm expecting to hear something that's
Speaker 4: you know, typical Jdvent's a little bit more intellectual, focused
Speaker 4: on the future and absolute elites versus everyone else.
Speaker 1: So the kind of business class, the Wall Street Journal,
Speaker 1: the Republican establishment types that are that are upset by
Speaker 1: the JD. Vance pick are certainly going to be watching
Speaker 1: it closely to see if they get any olive branches
Speaker 1: thrown their way. I know there are definitely some Republican
Speaker 1: consultants who are nervous that Vance opens Republicans up more
Speaker 1: to the kind of to the Democratic Roe voter who
Speaker 1: you know, surged out in twenty twenty two after the
Speaker 1: row was overturned. Do you expect that Vance will make
Speaker 1: olive branches in either of those directions, either to people
Speaker 1: concerned that he's too extreme on abortion rights or to
Speaker 1: the publican kind of Wall Street journal class or like,
Speaker 1: do you expect more of a kind of populist red
Speaker 1: meat speech? And what would be what would be, what
Speaker 1: would the cues be, What would the clues and the
Speaker 1: qus be that we should look for to see kind
Speaker 1: of where where he came where he decided to come
Speaker 1: down on the base spectrum.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, that's such a good question.
Speaker 4: I was actually, you know, as somebody who's who's follow
Speaker 4: danced very closely, and there's a lot of people in
Speaker 4: the Vance circles, as as soccer does, and as you.
Speaker 3: Probably do too, Ryan, Uh.
Speaker 4: They I was very surprised by his Mythi Perstone answer
Speaker 4: on the news before while he was still trying out
Speaker 4: auditioning for the VP slot, where he said basically he
Speaker 4: supported the policy as it was about MEPhI Perstone. It
Speaker 4: was shocking to people in the poor life community who
Speaker 4: also felt rather shocked by platform.
Speaker 1: For people who are not familiar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, go ahead, right, yeah, And the and they
Speaker 4: they really they toned down, they took out, you know,
Speaker 4: the the part about now again. They actually truncated the
Speaker 4: whole platform. But you'll hear a little bit of this
Speaker 4: in the or you heard a little about this in
Speaker 4: my interview with Terry Shilling. But yeah, there was people
Speaker 4: really felt slighted in the anti Portia community about how
Speaker 4: things have transpired over the course of the last week.
Speaker 4: Trump is obviously trying to moderate on that, and so
Speaker 4: I would expect really not to hear much about life
Speaker 4: from JD Vance, even though it's a it's a huge
Speaker 4: issue that everyone talked about before the last Trump has
Speaker 4: sort of changed that just the last month, to be honest,
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't expect to hear that. I would expect
Speaker 4: to hear this kind of intellectual case for populism, and
Speaker 4: probably like you, I've been going back and reading a
Speaker 4: lot of old interviews that Jade Vance did just in
Speaker 4: the last five years, even you know, back when he
Speaker 4: was touring for Hellbiliology, and he's talking about like Renee Gerrard.
Speaker 3: He's talking about like these super.
Speaker 4: High level intellectual stuff because that's the kind of guy
Speaker 4: is And so you know, I would I still think
Speaker 4: jd Vance how he presents himself tonight, the mystery of
Speaker 4: how Donald Trump presents himself tomorrow will partially be solved.
Speaker 4: So like, to some extent, I don't know what Trump
Speaker 4: wants to see from jd Vance because Trump hasn't said
Speaker 4: a lot about what he wants to see from jd
Speaker 4: Vance except for his original true social post. The first
Speaker 4: thing that he said about jd Vance is that he's
Speaker 4: a marine. Part of me really thinks that what Donald
Speaker 4: Trump likes about jd Vance more than the red meat,
Speaker 4: more than the policy, is that he is a marine
Speaker 4: with a good looking young family, a good looking, you know,
Speaker 4: young family of like with immigration involved. That sort of
Speaker 4: allows jdvs to talk about immigration in an interesting way
Speaker 4: and he's loyal, and so part of me thinks that we'll.
Speaker 1: See yes, which might not actually be true because then
Speaker 1: he go to Ohio, not Yeale from.
Speaker 4: Ohio State, but then he went to Yale Law. Yeah right,
Speaker 4: and he enlisted first.
Speaker 3: And then went back to school.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I think I would expect to hear
Speaker 4: a lot about JD Vance's personal story and that popular
Speaker 4: sort of US versus them as opposed to you know,
Speaker 4: kind of a policy grocery list.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I bet that's right. And he's a good writer,
Speaker 1: so he's going to tell He'll probably tell that the
Speaker 1: same story that people are familiar with if they read
Speaker 1: the book. But this is his chance to be introduced
Speaker 1: to millions of people who have no idea who he is,
Speaker 1: and this will be the first their first encounter with him.
Speaker 1: So looking forward to seeing how that goes well. Up next,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Elon Musk deciding he's going to cut
Speaker 1: regular forty five million dollar checks to help Trump advance.
Speaker 1: Stick around for that next. So, not long after President
Speaker 1: Trump was nearly assassinated Elon Musk, the Testla CEO posted
Speaker 1: on Twitter, we can put up this tweet with the
Speaker 1: vo in the background. Post on Twitter quote, I fully
Speaker 1: endorse President Trump and hope for his rapid recovery unquote,
Speaker 1: there was really no question at that point that Elon
Speaker 1: Musk was was behind Trump all the way. This full
Speaker 1: endorsement is now coming, we learned via the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 1: We can put up C two here. Elon Musk plans
Speaker 1: to get forty five million dollars a month toward a
Speaker 1: super pack that is backing Trump to an enormous sum
Speaker 1: of money by political standards, that for a single individual
Speaker 1: to be throwing in Emily, what you read on how
Speaker 1: much this will boost Trump.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm curious what you think personally. I think this
Speaker 4: is a very significant bump because we've also seen Bill
Speaker 4: Ackman say on Twitter that he's planning to roll out
Speaker 4: a significant Trump.
Speaker 3: Endorsement and.
Speaker 4: Elon or this is actually Vivaik posted a long list
Speaker 4: of people from the tech community to X yesterday actually
Speaker 4: that had suddenly kind of got on the Trump bandwagon.
Speaker 4: The Winklevy both each Winkle Boss, each member of the
Speaker 4: Winkle Boss twin pod has given a million dollar in
Speaker 4: crypto to the Trump campaign. This is like significant amount
Speaker 4: of money, especially as we interviewed Crystal set up a
Speaker 4: great interview with Abagail Disney.
Speaker 3: What was that two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: Now there's still Democrats who are refusing to give more
Speaker 4: money to the party as Biden's at the top of
Speaker 4: the ticket. The money actually, you know, Hiler Clinton massively
Speaker 4: outspent Donald Trump back in twenty sixteen, and he still
Speaker 4: managed to win the electoral College. So it's not everything.
Speaker 4: But Donald Trump has a lot of you know, legal battles,
Speaker 4: although those seemed to be perhaps petering out in the
Speaker 4: next maybe the fungibility of money over the next couple
Speaker 4: of years as a benefit. In that case, you can
Speaker 4: put some money into the campaign right now that may
Speaker 4: have immediately been used elsewhere. But money does obviously make
Speaker 4: a difference, and especially when there's a disparity, it can
Speaker 4: make a big difference. Ryan, So I also think it's
Speaker 4: significant that it's going to change the Trump administration's crypto
Speaker 4: and AI policies.
Speaker 3: There's just no question.
Speaker 4: And obviously there's a divide in the sort of e
Speaker 4: ACT community that Andresen is literally the leader of about whether.
Speaker 3: E I AI is good or bad.
Speaker 4: You know, Elon Musk himself kind of seems to go
Speaker 4: back and forth on the dangers of AI and crypto.
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, this is the Trump administration
Speaker 4: is now going to be all in on crypto. That
Speaker 4: seems to have been I'm actually curious what you think
Speaker 4: of that too, Ryan. It seems to be like writing
Speaker 4: is on the wall. This is uh, everyone's sort of
Speaker 4: all in on crypto, and that's going to clash. Absolutely
Speaker 4: going to clash. The AI and crypto policies are going
Speaker 4: to clash with the quote new Right. That feels like
Speaker 4: it just had a massive win with JD Vance here
Speaker 4: in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: Yes, certainly compared to Biden's sec which is which has
Speaker 1: been you know, aggressively pursuing crypto and and kind of
Speaker 1: pushing crypto companies to begin to register as securities, which
Speaker 1: which I believe they are and would in many ways
Speaker 1: be the end of the entire industry. So I think
Speaker 1: you're right, it's will it will change, And it seems
Speaker 1: like the Silicon Valley is seeing that it's headed in
Speaker 1: that direction and trying to you know, ride and push
Speaker 1: that wave. If we can put up C three, Mark
Speaker 1: Andresen and Ben Horowitz famously and Reason Horror, it's you know,
Speaker 1: just absolute kind of iconic figures in Silicon Valley are
Speaker 1: also making donations to Trump's re election effort. And people
Speaker 1: might not understand quite how much this matters because the
Speaker 1: campaign press coverage almost never talks about the amount of
Speaker 1: spending that's going on between the two different campaigns, and
Speaker 1: because everybody already knows who they are, we assume that
Speaker 1: spending doesn't actually influence voters that much. But that's not
Speaker 1: generally the case, Like there are still you know, people
Speaker 1: out there who when they get blasted with enough advertising information,
Speaker 1: you're able to move the needle. Biden really kind of
Speaker 1: unloaded the cannons in June, and that's a really undercovered story.
Speaker 1: He was outspending Trump in these battleground states one hundred
Speaker 1: to two hundred to one, and yet Trump is leading
Speaker 1: in all of those battleground states. And for Trump to
Speaker 1: be leading without having started his own avalanche of spending
Speaker 1: portend's disaster for Democrats. And it's something that isn't being
Speaker 1: incorporated into the conversation that Democrats are having about how
Speaker 1: bad the race is for Biden right now. Like people
Speaker 1: understand that Biden is in deep, deep trouble, but when
Speaker 1: you layer on top of that that he has been
Speaker 1: massively outspending Trump in an almost unprecedented way you almost
Speaker 1: have to go, you know, other than say Hillary and Trump.
Speaker 1: Hillary outspent Trump massively as well, and then you realize
Speaker 1: that he hasn't been able to make up ground despite
Speaker 1: the fact that he's outspending him so heavily. And now
Speaker 1: you've got, you know, this massive spending coming from tech bros.
Speaker 1: It's you know, couldn't look worse for Biden.
Speaker 4: I think, well, it also becomes a big question for
Speaker 4: Donald Trump. And you know, obviously these policy questions right
Speaker 4: now are taking a back seat and often do you
Speaker 4: know that's not new at all. I was gonna say
Speaker 4: to the vibes because we're in such a post vibe
Speaker 4: moment this week because of what happened on Saturday.
Speaker 3: And I don't use vibe to cheapen it.
Speaker 4: I actually mean, you know, to Trump's benefit, you know,
Speaker 4: getting up after that and you know, putting fists in
Speaker 4: the ears and a hell of a vibe and it
Speaker 4: has I think inspired a lot of people, even saw
Speaker 4: like Jeff Bezos calling him our president, you know, reacting
Speaker 4: that way to what happened on Saturday.
Speaker 3: But I really do.
Speaker 4: Think that, you know, Trump's one of his biggest specialties
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen was railing against corporations and railing against
Speaker 4: all of that stuff. You know, one source told me
Speaker 4: after jd Vance was picked that it puts quote the
Speaker 4: CIA and K Street unnoticed. And a big chunk of
Speaker 4: K Street right now is Silicon Valley. And so some
Speaker 4: of these Silicon Valley kind of fashioned themselves as outsiders.
Speaker 4: Even the Silicon Valley over the course of the Obama administration,
Speaker 4: as you've reported for a long time, became the art insiders,
Speaker 4: ultimate insiders. They're positioning themselves as outsiders on cultural questions.
Speaker 4: But in recent in particular as the head of the
Speaker 4: accelerationist movement, he has those sort of libertarian sensibilities maybe
Speaker 4: that you know, people like Peter Thiel and Trump.
Speaker 3: Have had before.
Speaker 4: But that is so unsettled right now because there's so
Speaker 4: much cultural fear about you know, remember when Google's AI
Speaker 4: came out and it was you know, everyone's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's dei AI like that. This is a pretty genuinely
Speaker 4: interesting tension within the kind of anti establishment Silicon Valley establishment.
Speaker 1: And it's also seems intention with this new affair that
Speaker 1: Trump is starting with other elements of corporate America. You know,
Speaker 1: you had that famous meeting with it what was the
Speaker 1: oil companies where he brought them all in and he's like,
Speaker 1: I need a billion dollars. Give me a billion dollars
Speaker 1: and then tell me what you need in one of
Speaker 1: the most you know, staggering, you know, quid pro quos
Speaker 1: with an entire industry that you could even imagine. And
Speaker 1: reports it's so trump in. It is very is very trumpiant.
Speaker 1: Give give me a billion dollars and just tell me
Speaker 1: what you want.
Speaker 3: And I don't worry. I don't care if people report it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I explain to me how he is able
Speaker 1: to package that with his populism.
Speaker 4: I think people that the populism is the transparency. You know,
Speaker 4: it's it's not about I think with with with Trump
Speaker 4: he's had he's been right in that his policy has
Speaker 4: been anti establishment on things like forever wars.
Speaker 3: The media. Basically policy plank of.
Speaker 4: Is at this point and you know, all of those
Speaker 4: immigration and trade, but the specifics of that policy. It's
Speaker 4: not as though people are demanding of him a certain
Speaker 4: level tariff or you know, it's never been like that
Speaker 4: when presidential politics really are about the specifics policy. And
Speaker 4: so I think it's just whether the people misunderstand about
Speaker 4: why regular Americans like Donald Trump is because it's it's
Speaker 4: that sense that he is paying attention to them and
Speaker 4: in a way that is empathetic. And so I think
Speaker 4: the transparency makes that scene, you know, when he's sort
Speaker 4: of openly saying you know, X, Y and Z that
Speaker 4: he made the perfect.
Speaker 3: Phone call with Zelenski.
Speaker 4: Those sorts of things like actually make people feel like
Speaker 4: he's real and dear the endear him to them in
Speaker 4: a different way.
Speaker 1: Although with that when he kept it secret until it
Speaker 1: was exposed.
Speaker 3: But it was like it was perfect call.
Speaker 1: It's perfect, perfect black. Yeah, So what are people expecting
Speaker 1: out of Trump third Thursday Night? Like are they or
Speaker 1: what are you? And what are people hoping that they're
Speaker 1: going to see?
Speaker 3: I think this is the biggest question.
Speaker 4: And I know we talkt this earlier in the show,
Speaker 4: but like, even just as I'm here reporting things out
Speaker 4: for unheard, That's the thing I keep coming back to
Speaker 4: all week. It feels like a reality television show because truly,
Speaker 4: maybe some people think they know what they're going to
Speaker 4: see from Donald Trump, but I really don't know that
Speaker 4: that's the case, because how he reacts to This is
Speaker 4: still a totally open question. There's some reporting and there've
Speaker 4: been memos from his campaign from Chris Lasivita and Cusey
Speaker 4: Wilds telling people who kind of bring their own temperatures down.
Speaker 4: We know that speeches have been rewritten, including Trump's speech
Speaker 4: to be kind of more grandiose and to not be
Speaker 4: that quote rip roarer that he mentioned, But his body
Speaker 4: language has been different, He's been different. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: he caught a bullet in the head just a few
Speaker 4: days ago, so nobody knows what to expect, and that
Speaker 4: with Trump, you know, everybody kind of knows to expect
Speaker 4: the unexpected. But now it's just like, do we expect
Speaker 4: the unexpected or is this going to be a totally new,
Speaker 4: like predictable on script Donald Trump, who uses this sort
Speaker 4: of soaring and lofty rhetoric that is positioned to make
Speaker 4: him sort of have centrist appeal.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think we've actually had too many clues in
Speaker 4: that direction so far.
Speaker 1: One little side note, I've seen some of our Pakistani
Speaker 1: viewers start comparing Trump's arc to that of Imran Khan,
Speaker 1: and it is actually quite fascinating, Like both of them
Speaker 1: were kind of womanizing celebrities, you know throughout the age
Speaker 1: of nineties and two thousands who then got into politics
Speaker 1: as bombastic populists. Both of them were then subject to
Speaker 1: assassination attempts and Ron Khan was shot. It was very
Speaker 1: lucky that he survived. He came out of it kind
Speaker 1: of born again Muslim. He reads the Koran all the time.
Speaker 1: Now you know he was born Muslim, but he was.
Speaker 1: It was a London cosmopolitan figure like.
Speaker 3: It's like Trump two Corinthians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, exactly, So it would be amazing if that
Speaker 1: arc continued. Then all of a sudden Trump becomes born again.
Speaker 1: But we should for Trump, folks should study, study the
Speaker 1: Imron conarch and see if they think they see any
Speaker 1: of that coming. But we'll see. You can't can't wait
Speaker 1: for tonight. What time does Jdvance go on?
Speaker 3: Do you know he's the last speaker, so he'll be on.
Speaker 1: Whenever other people get done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it expected to be around ten.
Speaker 1: Cool looking forward to that and then also Trump tomorrow
Speaker 1: stick around, will update on Israel Palestine next. Ex Blackwater
Speaker 1: CEO Eric Prince, the International Mercenary Baron, spoke at the
Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation recently made a rather remarkable confession. Let's take
Speaker 1: a listen.
Speaker 11: The Navy has been ineffective in Yemen. US has given
Speaker 11: very bad advice, very mixed advice in Gaza, preventing the
Speaker 11: Israelis from finishing it or even from.
Speaker 3: Ending that war in a clever way.
Speaker 11: I provided that Israelis a fully funded, donated ability to
Speaker 11: flood Gaza with water, with seawater, to flood the three
Speaker 11: hundred miles of tunnels blocked by the Pentagon. We have
Speaker 11: a leadership apparatus that is truly the most sclerotic and
Speaker 11: literally obese. We have as many general officers today as
Speaker 11: we did in World War Two when we had fourteen
Speaker 11: million men in her arms, and so in an era
Speaker 11: of video conferences, emails and instantaneous communication, we have a
Speaker 11: super bloated, super top heavy and clearly not very effective
Speaker 11: security apparatus.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, first of all, Emily, I think I'm
Speaker 1: going to take his word on his assessment that the
Speaker 1: Pentagon is probably a little bit bloated at the top,
Speaker 1: and that the individual figures in the Pentagon are themselves
Speaker 1: a little bit bloated. That seems to that seems to
Speaker 1: track with my understanding of our current Pentagon, But the
Speaker 1: ruthless war crime he claims that he had funded and
Speaker 1: had seems to suggest that he got approved by the
Speaker 1: Israeli government. But what's blocked by the Pentagon is rather shocking.
Speaker 1: There was some discussion in Israeli press about flooding these
Speaker 1: tunnels with seawater, but for a variety of reasons, that
Speaker 1: kind of faded away. What do you make of Erik
Speaker 1: Prince acknowledging that or claiming because you know, we should
Speaker 1: say claims because you know, we didn't provide evidence that
Speaker 1: he had actually gotten the funding for this and pushed
Speaker 1: it forward. What do you make of the claim that
Speaker 1: he had gotten funding for this and that the Biden
Speaker 1: administration blocked it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not in any way surprise that it
Speaker 4: was blocked, because even and this is why he's sharing
Speaker 4: the story, I mean, kind of confirms his point about
Speaker 4: the Pentagon. I know I sent this when he wrote it.
Speaker 4: I think it was a couple months ago. For I'm
Speaker 4: seventeen seventy six that website. This piece went pretty viral
Speaker 4: in kind of new right circles, conservative circles when he
Speaker 4: was talking about just the lack of dexterity the incredible
Speaker 4: lack of dexterity in American foreign policy and innovation and
Speaker 4: inventiveness and creativity. And actually he mentioned flooding the tunnels
Speaker 4: in that point in that article back at the time,
Speaker 4: And I think that's why he's being sort of greeted
Speaker 4: warmly in Heritage Foundation circles because as people are kind
Speaker 4: of craving some type of ingenuity and flexibility in American
Speaker 4: important policy and are so eager to bash the Pentagon
Speaker 4: in the aftermath of the Afghanistan withdrawal and the Trump
Speaker 4: moment on the right which has become really opposed to
Speaker 4: forever wars in the midst of the Ukraine conflict. I
Speaker 4: think that's why our princes kind of being invited warmly
Speaker 4: into those circles, because he speaks to something with specifics
Speaker 4: that a lot of people are like, Yes, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Why aren't we doing these like different ideas. It's because
Speaker 4: of the k Street and the lobbyists and this massively
Speaker 4: bloated Pentagon. So it's not surprising to me at all,
Speaker 4: and I guess it's probably not surprising to you Ryan either.
Speaker 1: I guess the idea seems to run into even for
Speaker 1: supporters of Israel the obvious problem of well, aren't aren't
Speaker 1: or weren't the hostages being kept in those tunnels? It
Speaker 1: seems counterproductive to getting the hostages released if that is
Speaker 1: your actual goal to drown everybody involved.
Speaker 4: Unless you have intelligence suggesting as you know that we
Speaker 4: get conflicting reports on what the intelligence is actually telling people,
Speaker 4: but that you know, they have some idea of where
Speaker 4: people are and they're you know, not whatever. But hostages
Speaker 4: that have been recovered I have said they felt like
Speaker 4: the bombing was indiscriminate and that they they could have
Speaker 4: been killed, that they didn't know that they did think that,
Speaker 4: you know, they were just saved by sheer luck, and
Speaker 4: actually expressing discomfort with the idea of bombing from that
Speaker 4: Vantash point.
Speaker 1: And all of this comes as ongoing bombing campaigns in
Speaker 1: Gaza continue to kill dozens of people a day, off
Speaker 1: to hundreds over in recent weeks, while the Israeli economy
Speaker 1: seems to be badly suffering from this kind of endless
Speaker 1: situation as who seems kind of hell bent on making
Speaker 1: sure that these ceasefire talks that are that are underway
Speaker 1: and it seemed to be accelerating, never make it. But
Speaker 1: meanwhile wanted to talk about one of the one of
Speaker 1: the economic implications. You can put up this this next
Speaker 1: element here. This is from Middle East Monitor headline Israel
Speaker 1: says a Lot Port bankrupt after months long hoo the
Speaker 1: naval blockade. There's the lead of the article. The Israeli
Speaker 1: Port of a Lot has officially declared bankruptcy because of
Speaker 1: a sharp decline in commercial activities and revenues due to
Speaker 1: the naval blockade imposed by Yemensuthi's on Israeli linked to
Speaker 1: cargo ships since last November. A senior official has confirmed quote,
Speaker 1: it must be acknowledged that the port is in a
Speaker 1: state of bankruptcy, explained the CEO of a Lot Port,
Speaker 1: Gideon Goldber. Only one ship has come here in recent months.
Speaker 1: The Yemenis have effectively shut off access to the port unquote.
Speaker 1: This is why the Israeli economy is taking a massive hit.
Speaker 1: Kind of across the board. Tourism has plummeted to virtually zero.
Speaker 1: The entire kind of low wage workforce, which was made
Speaker 1: up of residents of the West Bank and Gaza who
Speaker 1: would travel to Israel and work those jobs, that has
Speaker 1: been completely shut off. At the same time, you have
Speaker 1: the you know, tens two hundreds of thousands of people
Speaker 1: being called up out of the Israeli economy into the
Speaker 1: war economy to serve you know in Gaza, or in
Speaker 1: the North, or in in the West Bank, which has
Speaker 1: left you know, firms across Israel going bankrupt or or
Speaker 1: running extremely short staffed. So I guess it's not terribly
Speaker 1: surprising that this port is is now bankrupt, but it's
Speaker 1: it seems like quite a projection of power for a
Speaker 1: group of people, the Huthis, who kind of were derided
Speaker 1: as kind of just just nuisances a few months ago.
Speaker 4: Right, And it kind of also explains I think some
Speaker 4: of the domestic pressures that are going to mount on Yahoo.
Speaker 4: And we've been saying that obviously since basically October eighth,
Speaker 4: because Yahoo is not, you know, operating in the way
Speaker 4: that the American media sometimes portrays him that you know
Speaker 4: there it's it's so myopic. American coverage of Israel is
Speaker 4: just you know, it's all about, uh, the and it
Speaker 4: should mostly be about the war. Of course, you know,
Speaker 4: it's obviously the most important issue for the media to cover,
Speaker 4: but there's never any context.
Speaker 3: There's just so like it's just a.
Speaker 4: Lack of domestic context. I think explaining why people either
Speaker 4: are rallying behind Netanyahu or realizing why they you know,
Speaker 4: their their support may be fading Fortan Yahoo. And I
Speaker 4: think this is one of those pieces of that puzzle
Speaker 4: that we so rarely hear about.
Speaker 1: And before we go, I did want to highlight one
Speaker 1: piece that my colleague Jeremy Scahill did over it over
Speaker 1: at drop site news we can put that other element up.
Speaker 1: So this is a This is an exclusive in person
Speaker 1: interview that he did with the second in command of
Speaker 1: Palestinian Islamic Jihad, with doctor Mohammad al Hindi. Al Hindi
Speaker 1: has basically never since the nineteen eighties given an interview
Speaker 1: two way Western journalists and it's uh. The whole thing
Speaker 1: is is is revealing and startling in a number of
Speaker 1: kind of fascinating ways. We published it as a Q
Speaker 1: and A that you can find over at drops like
Speaker 1: news dot com.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: And there are a couple of kind of funny moments
Speaker 1: in it as well, when when al Hindy starts talking
Speaker 1: about kind of the American election, at one point he says,
Speaker 1: you know, we would actually we would prefer a candidate
Speaker 1: other than Joe Biden. And I was joking on on
Speaker 1: Twitter the other day that like Biden has even lost
Speaker 1: Palestinian Islamic jahad Uh at this point with with you know,
Speaker 1: following on the heels of at Adam Schiff bailing on him.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: But so p i J is a is a kind
Speaker 1: of an ally of Hamas. But p i J was
Speaker 1: was created before Hamas and but as as an armed
Speaker 1: resistance group kind of exclusively aiming at aiming at liberation, uh,
Speaker 1: rather than getting into politics and governance like like Hamas does.
Speaker 1: So they don't participate, you know, they basically negotiate. Al
Speaker 1: Hindi is the kind of lead negotiator for p i J.
Speaker 1: But they they have basically given their proxy to Hamas.
Speaker 1: They and what he told when he told Jeremy take
Speaker 1: it with a grain of salt because it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not confirmed, but this guy would know
Speaker 1: that they had they had, they had There was zero
Speaker 1: coordination around October seventh that p IJ was not involved
Speaker 1: with any of the planning and basically only learned of it,
Speaker 1: you know, as it started happening. It had been reported
Speaker 1: for months that October seventh was this joint operation between
Speaker 1: Hamas and these multiple other factions, including p I J.
Speaker 1: But he said, no, that they saw, just like everybody
Speaker 1: else saw that Hamas had busted through the fence and
Speaker 1: was launching this operation on his operation atloxa flood, and
Speaker 1: they quickly scrambled to join in with them, but were
Speaker 1: not actually part of the planning or or the strategy
Speaker 1: behind it. So the whole thing is, the whole thing
Speaker 1: is totally fascinating, and it's insight into the mind of
Speaker 1: a guy who was actually listed by the State Department
Speaker 1: as a as a terrorist, which I guess you know,
Speaker 1: it makes he said, it makes it difficult for him
Speaker 1: to get like a US bank account, but otherwise so
Speaker 1: far has not cast some caused some significant problems though
Speaker 1: you know, most people in his position eventually do end
Speaker 1: up getting you know, either assassinated or or drawn struck.
Speaker 3: But he is walking across the Southern border.
Speaker 1: Is that a boomer jokes the Southern border?
Speaker 4: So as you know, there there were when Nikki Haley
Speaker 4: spoke yesterday, there were Israel flags being waived by a
Speaker 4: couple of people. Nothing, I mean, it wasn't a huge amount,
Speaker 4: but there were a couple of people who were waving
Speaker 4: those flags. I saw him a couple of times yesterday
Speaker 4: and actually on Monday had a chance to speak with
Speaker 4: protesters who had a honk for ceasefire signs right outside
Speaker 4: the convention. And obviously security is really tight here, but
Speaker 4: right outside the perimeter protests have not been huge. She
Speaker 4: does say that there were thousands of people. They came
Speaker 4: out from Minneapolis, so that's a decently long bus ride,
Speaker 4: probably took him about six six hours or so, and
Speaker 4: got here marching in the heat. Was hot when they
Speaker 4: did it and making their presence known. It has been
Speaker 4: the security situation. There was security issues with a man
Speaker 4: who was shot by police outside One man was taken
Speaker 4: into custody after he came near the perimeter with apparently
Speaker 4: an ak fortyes of a pistol, just yesterday. But inside
Speaker 4: the perimeter things have felt quiet and calm, except for
Speaker 4: those two incidents which happened beyond the perimeter, and the
Speaker 4: protester beyond the perimeter too, so that not much outside noise.
Speaker 1: That instant where police shot somebody, right, they was it
Speaker 1: was two people that seem to have some personal beef,
Speaker 1: right had nothing to do with the convention.
Speaker 4: It seems that way as of right now. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: does seem that way as of right now. Now, the
Speaker 4: guy who was arrested.
Speaker 1: With a pro tip if you're going to get cream mask, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're going to have if you're gonna have personal
Speaker 1: beef that involves guns or knives, don't do it anywhere
Speaker 1: near political convention with within days of an assassination.
Speaker 3: That is a pro tip.
Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4: No, that's just you know, it really has been again
Speaker 4: like we were talking about this earlier, but not a
Speaker 4: lot of infighting inside the convention and any of that
Speaker 4: stuff that's happened outside of it has remained outside of it.
Speaker 4: There hasn't really been any uh, you know, people have
Speaker 4: quote respected the perimeter. Now it's another boomer joke to
Speaker 4: the same segment to quote Action Kutcher in Cheaper by
Speaker 4: the dozen. I guess that's not boomery. That's like a
Speaker 4: cringe millennial joke. But the perimeter has been respected, and
Speaker 4: I can confirm that from Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: I suspect that will not be the case in Chicago,
Speaker 1: but you and I will both be out there covering that,
Speaker 1: and so we're looking forward to that perimeter undoubtedly not
Speaker 1: being respected. There will be plenty of tension inside whether
Speaker 1: Biden stays on the top of the ticket or or
Speaker 1: if he doesn't. Either way, it's going to be rather raucous.
Speaker 3: That's right, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Well that'll do it. That'll do it for us today.
Speaker 1: Thanks for everybody for joining us. It's a special evening
Speaker 1: edition of Counterpoints r n C. Emily, enjoy the rest
Speaker 1: of your time there. Emily's going to join me on
Speaker 1: my my drop site podcast, Deconstructed, so check check that
Speaker 1: out later and get the get get her fuller insights
Speaker 1: into her time out in Milwaukee and the rise of
Speaker 1: this new new populist right, which if if there's got
Speaker 1: to be a right, this is this is the one
Speaker 1: I'd rather see rising.
Speaker 3: I'd say very interesting.
Speaker 4: I think, hey, I think that's right, you know, see,
Speaker 4: but this is where, you know, maybe we can talk
Speaker 4: about this on on Deconstructed tomorrow. I don't think there's
Speaker 4: as much daylight between Reaganism and Vancism as people think
Speaker 4: there is, so we'll save that for another conversation. But
Speaker 4: you know, I'll be checking back in with Crystal and
Speaker 4: we'll be eager to come back to DC and chat with.
Speaker 3: Everyone about what happened here next week. Thanks Ryan, all
Speaker 3: right
Speaker 1: See everybody tomorrow.