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Speaker 1: Welcome to an unusual evening edition of Counterpoints. I'm Ryan Grimm.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be joined by Emily Kashinsky from Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: at the Republican National Convention. Emily, how are things going

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Speaker 1: out there?

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Speaker 3: Well, they're going, Ryan.

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Speaker 4: I've been talking to a lot of people about the

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Speaker 4: JD Vance pick, which I know we can discuss on

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Speaker 4: the show. Got some interviews with folks, you know. Just

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Speaker 4: talk to one woman local, she's selling dresses here. She

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Speaker 4: right When I asked her how things are going, she said,

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Speaker 4: the energy is high.

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Speaker 3: She was really excited.

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Speaker 4: They're dooining some you can hear they're doing some sound

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Speaker 4: tests behind me. Tom Cotton just recited the Gettysburg address.

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Speaker 4: So things are proceeding apace.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought that we were both going to have

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Speaker 1: our solidarity bandages for Trump Totos solmos Trump. But since

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Speaker 1: speeches from last night. We're going to talk about you know,

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Speaker 1: to hear just what the vibe is among people first

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Speaker 1: around the Trump assassination attempt. What like, are you hearing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is really the big question.

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Speaker 4: I think probably the one thing on everybody's mind is

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Speaker 4: he said so little. He's put out some posts on

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Speaker 3: Everything is about Trump.

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Speaker 4: There's Trump posters everywhere, people are already saw selling t

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Speaker 4: He was sitting there stoically, smiling a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: His first entry into the arena he looked and subdued.

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Speaker 1: How are people feeling about it?

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Speaker 1: And they got to see Nicky Haley benning the knee

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Speaker 5: President Trump asked me to speak to this convention in

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Speaker 5: the name of unity. It was a gracious invitation and

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Speaker 1: So how was Haley received, and how did Haley's How

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Speaker 4: I haven't actually seen any interactions between the Haley delegates

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Speaker 4: she was ultimately quite well received. She started very intentionally

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Speaker 4: It to look like she had begged for a speaking slot.

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Speaker 1: And so let's roll a little bit of Rond de

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Speaker 6: My fellow Republican. Let's send Joe Biden back to his

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Speaker 6: basement and let send Donald Trump back to the White House.

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Speaker 6: Life was more affordable when Donald Trump was president. Our

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Speaker 6: After all, if not us, who, and if not now, when,

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Speaker 6: Let's make the forty fifth president of the United States

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Speaker 6: the forty seventh president of the United States. Let's elect

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Speaker 6: these United States. Thank you, God, bless you.

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Speaker 1: Let win in November. Thank you so much so. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: the Florida governor couldn't quite get out of that manly

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Speaker 3: Really well?

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Speaker 4: He was really well received, no boos at all for

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Speaker 4: Ron Desantas. Trump looked very pleased. There was one video

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Speaker 4: And again it was back to back Nicki Haley Ron

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Speaker 4: But like I said, those were drowned out by cheers.

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Speaker 1: And so then Vivek. Nobody gives a speech like Vivec.

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Speaker 7: Our message to black Americans is this. The media has

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Speaker 1: There was a little fun chaos on the floor this week.

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Speaker 3: You would get booed off the stage.

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Speaker 1: So if I'm not Gates, I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: And all of that.

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Speaker 4: So I would probably argue that Matt Gates is more

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Speaker 3: So I was interested to.

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Speaker 4: Hear that from Congressman Klein because of reporting in places

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Speaker 4: There's just a lot of excitement about JD.

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Speaker 4: Terry Shilling, who's been on the show before, Big Ally

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Speaker 4: Everyone's feeling good, having a good time here so far,

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Speaker 9: I would just say that energy here is just so amazing.

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Speaker 9: Everyone's excited to be here, The security has been amazing,

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Speaker 4: Some reporting is that people aren't not everyone is excited

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Speaker 10: I think JD represents the future of the party, and

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Speaker 8: He is a champion not just for families, but for

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Speaker 8: and jd Vance understands that. He knows that it comes

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Speaker 1: Anything you want to underline about any of those interviews,

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Speaker 4: Know, it sounds like a GOP talking point, Ryan, but

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Speaker 4: it's actually true in this case. You know, not all

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Speaker 4: And were you at Were you at Cleveland in twenty sixteen?

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Speaker 4: There's just none of that, And there's no underhanded comments

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Speaker 1: And twenty sixteen also had Clint Eastwood, which perhaps they're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think they're expecting a very polished JD.

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Speaker 4: But Sarah Hackeby Sanders was has clearly endeared herself to

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Speaker 4: this crowd. People absolutely loved her. She had one line

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Speaker 4: about it too. I'm not expecting to hear a lot

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Speaker 4: about it from Vance. I'm expecting to hear something that's

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Speaker 4: you know, typical Jdvent's a little bit more intellectual, focused

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Speaker 4: on the future and absolute elites versus everyone else.

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Speaker 1: So the kind of business class, the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 1: the Republican establishment types that are that are upset by

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Speaker 1: the JD. Vance pick are certainly going to be watching

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Speaker 1: it closely to see if they get any olive branches

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Speaker 1: thrown their way. I know there are definitely some Republican

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Speaker 1: consultants who are nervous that Vance opens Republicans up more

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Speaker 1: to the kind of to the Democratic Roe voter who

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Speaker 1: you know, surged out in twenty twenty two after the

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Speaker 1: row was overturned. Do you expect that Vance will make

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Speaker 1: olive branches in either of those directions, either to people

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Speaker 1: concerned that he's too extreme on abortion rights or to

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Speaker 1: the publican kind of Wall Street journal class or like,

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Speaker 1: do you expect more of a kind of populist red

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Speaker 1: meat speech? And what would be what would be, what

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Speaker 1: would the cues be, What would the clues and the

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Speaker 1: qus be that we should look for to see kind

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Speaker 1: of where where he came where he decided to come

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Speaker 1: down on the base spectrum.

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, that's such a good question.

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Speaker 4: I was actually, you know, as somebody who's who's follow

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Speaker 4: danced very closely, and there's a lot of people in

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Speaker 4: the Vance circles, as as soccer does, and as you.

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Speaker 3: Probably do too, Ryan, Uh.

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Speaker 4: They I was very surprised by his Mythi Perstone answer

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Speaker 4: on the news before while he was still trying out

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Speaker 4: auditioning for the VP slot, where he said basically he

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Speaker 4: supported the policy as it was about MEPhI Perstone. It

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Speaker 4: was shocking to people in the poor life community who

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Speaker 4: also felt rather shocked by platform.

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Speaker 1: For people who are not familiar.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, go ahead, right, yeah, And the and they

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Speaker 4: they really they toned down, they took out, you know,

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Speaker 4: the the part about now again. They actually truncated the

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Speaker 4: whole platform. But you'll hear a little bit of this

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Speaker 4: in the or you heard a little about this in

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Speaker 4: my interview with Terry Shilling. But yeah, there was people

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Speaker 4: really felt slighted in the anti Portia community about how

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Speaker 4: things have transpired over the course of the last week.

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Speaker 4: Trump is obviously trying to moderate on that, and so

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Speaker 4: I would expect really not to hear much about life

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Speaker 4: from JD Vance, even though it's a it's a huge

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Speaker 4: issue that everyone talked about before the last Trump has

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Speaker 4: sort of changed that just the last month, to be honest,

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Speaker 4: So I wouldn't expect to hear that. I would expect

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Speaker 4: to hear this kind of intellectual case for populism, and

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Speaker 4: probably like you, I've been going back and reading a

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Speaker 4: lot of old interviews that Jade Vance did just in

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Speaker 4: the last five years, even you know, back when he

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Speaker 4: was touring for Hellbiliology, and he's talking about like Renee Gerrard.

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Speaker 3: He's talking about like these super.

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Speaker 4: High level intellectual stuff because that's the kind of guy

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Speaker 4: is And so you know, I would I still think

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Speaker 4: jd Vance how he presents himself tonight, the mystery of

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Speaker 4: how Donald Trump presents himself tomorrow will partially be solved.

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Speaker 4: So like, to some extent, I don't know what Trump

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Speaker 4: wants to see from jd Vance because Trump hasn't said

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Speaker 4: a lot about what he wants to see from jd

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Speaker 4: Vance except for his original true social post. The first

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Speaker 4: thing that he said about jd Vance is that he's

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Speaker 4: a marine. Part of me really thinks that what Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump likes about jd Vance more than the red meat,

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Speaker 4: more than the policy, is that he is a marine

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Speaker 4: with a good looking young family, a good looking, you know,

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Speaker 4: young family of like with immigration involved. That sort of

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Speaker 4: allows jdvs to talk about immigration in an interesting way

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Speaker 4: and he's loyal, and so part of me thinks that we'll.

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Speaker 1: See yes, which might not actually be true because then

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Speaker 1: he go to Ohio, not Yeale from.

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Speaker 4: Ohio State, but then he went to Yale Law. Yeah right,

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Speaker 4: and he enlisted first.

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Speaker 3: And then went back to school.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, so I think I would expect to hear

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Speaker 4: a lot about JD Vance's personal story and that popular

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Speaker 4: sort of US versus them as opposed to you know,

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Speaker 4: kind of a policy grocery list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I bet that's right. And he's a good writer,

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Speaker 1: so he's going to tell He'll probably tell that the

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Speaker 1: same story that people are familiar with if they read

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Speaker 1: the book. But this is his chance to be introduced

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Speaker 1: to millions of people who have no idea who he is,

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Speaker 1: and this will be the first their first encounter with him.

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Speaker 1: So looking forward to seeing how that goes well. Up next,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about Elon Musk deciding he's going to cut

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Speaker 1: regular forty five million dollar checks to help Trump advance.

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Speaker 1: Stick around for that next. So, not long after President

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Speaker 1: Trump was nearly assassinated Elon Musk, the Testla CEO posted

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, we can put up this tweet with the

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Speaker 1: vo in the background. Post on Twitter quote, I fully

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Speaker 1: endorse President Trump and hope for his rapid recovery unquote,

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Speaker 1: there was really no question at that point that Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk was was behind Trump all the way. This full

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Speaker 1: endorsement is now coming, we learned via the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 1: We can put up C two here. Elon Musk plans

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Speaker 1: to get forty five million dollars a month toward a

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Speaker 1: super pack that is backing Trump to an enormous sum

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Speaker 1: of money by political standards, that for a single individual

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Speaker 1: to be throwing in Emily, what you read on how

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Speaker 1: much this will boost Trump.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm curious what you think personally. I think this

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Speaker 4: is a very significant bump because we've also seen Bill

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Speaker 4: Ackman say on Twitter that he's planning to roll out

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Speaker 4: a significant Trump.

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Speaker 3: Endorsement and.

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Speaker 4: Elon or this is actually Vivaik posted a long list

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Speaker 4: of people from the tech community to X yesterday actually

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Speaker 4: that had suddenly kind of got on the Trump bandwagon.

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Speaker 4: The Winklevy both each Winkle Boss, each member of the

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Speaker 4: Winkle Boss twin pod has given a million dollar in

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Speaker 4: crypto to the Trump campaign. This is like significant amount

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Speaker 4: of money, especially as we interviewed Crystal set up a

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Speaker 4: great interview with Abagail Disney.

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Speaker 3: What was that two weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: Now there's still Democrats who are refusing to give more

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Speaker 4: money to the party as Biden's at the top of

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Speaker 4: the ticket. The money actually, you know, Hiler Clinton massively

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Speaker 4: outspent Donald Trump back in twenty sixteen, and he still

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Speaker 4: managed to win the electoral College. So it's not everything.

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Speaker 4: But Donald Trump has a lot of you know, legal battles,

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Speaker 4: although those seemed to be perhaps petering out in the

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Speaker 4: next maybe the fungibility of money over the next couple

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Speaker 4: of years as a benefit. In that case, you can

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Speaker 4: put some money into the campaign right now that may

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Speaker 4: have immediately been used elsewhere. But money does obviously make

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Speaker 4: a difference, and especially when there's a disparity, it can

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Speaker 4: make a big difference. Ryan, So I also think it's

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Speaker 4: significant that it's going to change the Trump administration's crypto

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Speaker 4: and AI policies.

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Speaker 3: There's just no question.

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Speaker 4: And obviously there's a divide in the sort of e

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Speaker 4: ACT community that Andresen is literally the leader of about whether.

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Speaker 3: E I AI is good or bad.

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Speaker 4: You know, Elon Musk himself kind of seems to go

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Speaker 4: back and forth on the dangers of AI and crypto.

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Speaker 4: But I think, you know, this is the Trump administration

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Speaker 4: is now going to be all in on crypto. That

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Speaker 4: seems to have been I'm actually curious what you think

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Speaker 4: of that too, Ryan. It seems to be like writing

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Speaker 4: is on the wall. This is uh, everyone's sort of

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Speaker 4: all in on crypto, and that's going to clash. Absolutely

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Speaker 4: going to clash. The AI and crypto policies are going

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Speaker 4: to clash with the quote new Right. That feels like

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Speaker 4: it just had a massive win with JD Vance here

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Speaker 4: in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: Yes, certainly compared to Biden's sec which is which has

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Speaker 1: been you know, aggressively pursuing crypto and and kind of

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Speaker 1: pushing crypto companies to begin to register as securities, which

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Speaker 1: which I believe they are and would in many ways

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Speaker 1: be the end of the entire industry. So I think

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Speaker 1: you're right, it's will it will change, And it seems

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Speaker 1: like the Silicon Valley is seeing that it's headed in

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Speaker 1: that direction and trying to you know, ride and push

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Speaker 1: that wave. If we can put up C three, Mark

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Speaker 1: Andresen and Ben Horowitz famously and Reason Horror, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: just absolute kind of iconic figures in Silicon Valley are

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Speaker 1: also making donations to Trump's re election effort. And people

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Speaker 1: might not understand quite how much this matters because the

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Speaker 1: campaign press coverage almost never talks about the amount of

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Speaker 1: spending that's going on between the two different campaigns, and

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Speaker 1: because everybody already knows who they are, we assume that

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Speaker 1: spending doesn't actually influence voters that much. But that's not

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Speaker 1: generally the case, Like there are still you know, people

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Speaker 1: out there who when they get blasted with enough advertising information,

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Speaker 1: you're able to move the needle. Biden really kind of

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Speaker 1: unloaded the cannons in June, and that's a really undercovered story.

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Speaker 1: He was outspending Trump in these battleground states one hundred

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Speaker 1: to two hundred to one, and yet Trump is leading

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Speaker 1: in all of those battleground states. And for Trump to

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Speaker 1: be leading without having started his own avalanche of spending

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Speaker 1: portend's disaster for Democrats. And it's something that isn't being

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Speaker 1: incorporated into the conversation that Democrats are having about how

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Speaker 1: bad the race is for Biden right now. Like people

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Speaker 1: understand that Biden is in deep, deep trouble, but when

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Speaker 1: you layer on top of that that he has been

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Speaker 1: massively outspending Trump in an almost unprecedented way you almost

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Speaker 1: have to go, you know, other than say Hillary and Trump.

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Speaker 1: Hillary outspent Trump massively as well, and then you realize

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Speaker 1: that he hasn't been able to make up ground despite

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's outspending him so heavily. And now

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Speaker 1: you've got, you know, this massive spending coming from tech bros.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, couldn't look worse for Biden.

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Speaker 4: I think, well, it also becomes a big question for

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump. And you know, obviously these policy questions right

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Speaker 4: now are taking a back seat and often do you

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Speaker 4: know that's not new at all. I was gonna say

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Speaker 4: to the vibes because we're in such a post vibe

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Speaker 4: moment this week because of what happened on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: And I don't use vibe to cheapen it.

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Speaker 4: I actually mean, you know, to Trump's benefit, you know,

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Speaker 4: getting up after that and you know, putting fists in

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Speaker 4: the ears and a hell of a vibe and it

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Speaker 4: has I think inspired a lot of people, even saw

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Speaker 4: like Jeff Bezos calling him our president, you know, reacting

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Speaker 4: that way to what happened on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: But I really do.

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Speaker 4: Think that, you know, Trump's one of his biggest specialties

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Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen was railing against corporations and railing against

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Speaker 4: all of that stuff. You know, one source told me

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Speaker 4: after jd Vance was picked that it puts quote the

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Speaker 4: CIA and K Street unnoticed. And a big chunk of

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Speaker 4: K Street right now is Silicon Valley. And so some

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Speaker 4: of these Silicon Valley kind of fashioned themselves as outsiders.

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Speaker 4: Even the Silicon Valley over the course of the Obama administration,

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Speaker 4: as you've reported for a long time, became the art insiders,

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Speaker 4: ultimate insiders. They're positioning themselves as outsiders on cultural questions.

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Speaker 4: But in recent in particular as the head of the

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Speaker 4: accelerationist movement, he has those sort of libertarian sensibilities maybe

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Speaker 4: that you know, people like Peter Thiel and Trump.

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Speaker 3: Have had before.

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Speaker 4: But that is so unsettled right now because there's so

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Speaker 4: much cultural fear about you know, remember when Google's AI

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Speaker 4: came out and it was you know, everyone's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's dei AI like that. This is a pretty genuinely

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Speaker 4: interesting tension within the kind of anti establishment Silicon Valley establishment.

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Speaker 1: And it's also seems intention with this new affair that

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Speaker 1: Trump is starting with other elements of corporate America. You know,

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Speaker 1: you had that famous meeting with it what was the

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Speaker 1: oil companies where he brought them all in and he's like,

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Speaker 1: I need a billion dollars. Give me a billion dollars

662
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Speaker 1: and then tell me what you need in one of

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Speaker 1: the most you know, staggering, you know, quid pro quos

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Speaker 1: with an entire industry that you could even imagine. And

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Speaker 1: reports it's so trump in. It is very is very trumpiant.

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Speaker 1: Give give me a billion dollars and just tell me

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Speaker 1: what you want.

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Speaker 3: And I don't worry. I don't care if people report it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which I explain to me how he is able

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Speaker 1: to package that with his populism.

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Speaker 4: I think people that the populism is the transparency. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's it's not about I think with with with Trump

673
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 4: he's had he's been right in that his policy has

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Speaker 4: been anti establishment on things like forever wars.

675
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Speaker 3: The media. Basically policy plank of.

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Speaker 4: Is at this point and you know, all of those

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Speaker 4: immigration and trade, but the specifics of that policy. It's

678
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Speaker 4: not as though people are demanding of him a certain

679
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Speaker 4: level tariff or you know, it's never been like that

680
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Speaker 4: when presidential politics really are about the specifics policy. And

681
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Speaker 4: so I think it's just whether the people misunderstand about

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Speaker 4: why regular Americans like Donald Trump is because it's it's

683
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Speaker 4: that sense that he is paying attention to them and

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Speaker 4: in a way that is empathetic. And so I think

685
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Speaker 4: the transparency makes that scene, you know, when he's sort

686
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Speaker 4: of openly saying you know, X, Y and Z that

687
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Speaker 4: he made the perfect.

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Speaker 3: Phone call with Zelenski.

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Speaker 4: Those sorts of things like actually make people feel like

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Speaker 4: he's real and dear the endear him to them in

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Speaker 4: a different way.

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Speaker 1: Although with that when he kept it secret until it

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Speaker 1: was exposed.

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Speaker 3: But it was like it was perfect call.

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Speaker 1: It's perfect, perfect black. Yeah, So what are people expecting

696
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Speaker 1: out of Trump third Thursday Night? Like are they or

697
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Speaker 1: what are you? And what are people hoping that they're

698
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Speaker 1: going to see?

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Speaker 3: I think this is the biggest question.

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Speaker 4: And I know we talkt this earlier in the show,

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Speaker 4: but like, even just as I'm here reporting things out

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Speaker 4: for unheard, That's the thing I keep coming back to

703
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: all week. It feels like a reality television show because truly,

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Speaker 4: maybe some people think they know what they're going to

705
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Speaker 4: see from Donald Trump, but I really don't know that

706
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Speaker 4: that's the case, because how he reacts to This is

707
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Speaker 4: still a totally open question. There's some reporting and there've

708
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Speaker 4: been memos from his campaign from Chris Lasivita and Cusey

709
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 4: Wilds telling people who kind of bring their own temperatures down.

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Speaker 4: We know that speeches have been rewritten, including Trump's speech

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Speaker 4: to be kind of more grandiose and to not be

712
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Speaker 4: that quote rip roarer that he mentioned, But his body

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Speaker 4: language has been different, He's been different. And yeah, I mean,

714
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Speaker 4: he caught a bullet in the head just a few

715
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Speaker 4: days ago, so nobody knows what to expect, and that

716
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Speaker 4: with Trump, you know, everybody kind of knows to expect

717
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: the unexpected. But now it's just like, do we expect

718
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Speaker 4: the unexpected or is this going to be a totally new,

719
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Speaker 4: like predictable on script Donald Trump, who uses this sort

720
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Speaker 4: of soaring and lofty rhetoric that is positioned to make

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Speaker 4: him sort of have centrist appeal.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we've actually had too many clues in

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Speaker 4: that direction so far.

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Speaker 1: One little side note, I've seen some of our Pakistani

726
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: viewers start comparing Trump's arc to that of Imran Khan,

727
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Speaker 1: and it is actually quite fascinating, Like both of them

728
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: were kind of womanizing celebrities, you know throughout the age

729
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: of nineties and two thousands who then got into politics

730
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Speaker 1: as bombastic populists. Both of them were then subject to

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Speaker 1: assassination attempts and Ron Khan was shot. It was very

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Speaker 1: lucky that he survived. He came out of it kind

733
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Speaker 1: of born again Muslim. He reads the Koran all the time.

734
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Speaker 1: Now you know he was born Muslim, but he was.

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Speaker 1: It was a London cosmopolitan figure like.

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Speaker 3: It's like Trump two Corinthians.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, exactly, So it would be amazing if that

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Speaker 1: arc continued. Then all of a sudden Trump becomes born again.

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Speaker 1: But we should for Trump, folks should study, study the

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Speaker 1: Imron conarch and see if they think they see any

741
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Speaker 1: of that coming. But we'll see. You can't can't wait

742
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Speaker 1: for tonight. What time does Jdvance go on?

743
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Speaker 3: Do you know he's the last speaker, so he'll be on.

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Speaker 1: Whenever other people get done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it expected to be around ten.

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Speaker 1: Cool looking forward to that and then also Trump tomorrow

747
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Speaker 1: stick around, will update on Israel Palestine next. Ex Blackwater

748
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Speaker 1: CEO Eric Prince, the International Mercenary Baron, spoke at the

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Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation recently made a rather remarkable confession. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a listen.

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Speaker 11: The Navy has been ineffective in Yemen. US has given

752
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Speaker 11: very bad advice, very mixed advice in Gaza, preventing the

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Speaker 11: Israelis from finishing it or even from.

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Speaker 3: Ending that war in a clever way.

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Speaker 11: I provided that Israelis a fully funded, donated ability to

756
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Speaker 11: flood Gaza with water, with seawater, to flood the three

757
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Speaker 11: hundred miles of tunnels blocked by the Pentagon. We have

758
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Speaker 11: a leadership apparatus that is truly the most sclerotic and

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Speaker 11: literally obese. We have as many general officers today as

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Speaker 11: we did in World War Two when we had fourteen

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Speaker 11: million men in her arms, and so in an era

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Speaker 11: of video conferences, emails and instantaneous communication, we have a

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Speaker 11: super bloated, super top heavy and clearly not very effective

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Speaker 11: security apparatus.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, first of all, Emily, I think I'm

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Speaker 1: going to take his word on his assessment that the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon is probably a little bit bloated at the top,

768
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Speaker 1: and that the individual figures in the Pentagon are themselves

769
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Speaker 1: a little bit bloated. That seems to that seems to

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Speaker 1: track with my understanding of our current Pentagon, But the

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Speaker 1: ruthless war crime he claims that he had funded and

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Speaker 1: had seems to suggest that he got approved by the

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Speaker 1: Israeli government. But what's blocked by the Pentagon is rather shocking.

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Speaker 1: There was some discussion in Israeli press about flooding these

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Speaker 1: tunnels with seawater, but for a variety of reasons, that

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Speaker 1: kind of faded away. What do you make of Erik

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Speaker 1: Prince acknowledging that or claiming because you know, we should

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Speaker 1: say claims because you know, we didn't provide evidence that

779
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Speaker 1: he had actually gotten the funding for this and pushed

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Speaker 1: it forward. What do you make of the claim that

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Speaker 1: he had gotten funding for this and that the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration blocked it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not in any way surprise that it

784
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Speaker 4: was blocked, because even and this is why he's sharing

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Speaker 4: the story, I mean, kind of confirms his point about

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Speaker 4: the Pentagon. I know I sent this when he wrote it.

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Speaker 4: I think it was a couple months ago. For I'm

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Speaker 4: seventeen seventy six that website. This piece went pretty viral

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Speaker 4: in kind of new right circles, conservative circles when he

790
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Speaker 4: was talking about just the lack of dexterity the incredible

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Speaker 4: lack of dexterity in American foreign policy and innovation and

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Speaker 4: inventiveness and creativity. And actually he mentioned flooding the tunnels

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Speaker 4: in that point in that article back at the time,

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why he's being sort of greeted

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Speaker 4: warmly in Heritage Foundation circles because as people are kind

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Speaker 4: of craving some type of ingenuity and flexibility in American

797
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Speaker 4: important policy and are so eager to bash the Pentagon

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Speaker 4: in the aftermath of the Afghanistan withdrawal and the Trump

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Speaker 4: moment on the right which has become really opposed to

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Speaker 4: forever wars in the midst of the Ukraine conflict. I

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Speaker 4: think that's why our princes kind of being invited warmly

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Speaker 4: into those circles, because he speaks to something with specifics

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Speaker 4: that a lot of people are like, Yes, that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Why aren't we doing these like different ideas. It's because

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Speaker 4: of the k Street and the lobbyists and this massively

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Speaker 4: bloated Pentagon. So it's not surprising to me at all,

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Speaker 4: and I guess it's probably not surprising to you Ryan either.

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Speaker 1: I guess the idea seems to run into even for

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Speaker 1: supporters of Israel the obvious problem of well, aren't aren't

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Speaker 1: or weren't the hostages being kept in those tunnels? It

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Speaker 1: seems counterproductive to getting the hostages released if that is

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Speaker 1: your actual goal to drown everybody involved.

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Speaker 4: Unless you have intelligence suggesting as you know that we

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Speaker 4: get conflicting reports on what the intelligence is actually telling people,

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Speaker 4: but that you know, they have some idea of where

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Speaker 4: people are and they're you know, not whatever. But hostages

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Speaker 4: that have been recovered I have said they felt like

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Speaker 4: the bombing was indiscriminate and that they they could have

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Speaker 4: been killed, that they didn't know that they did think that,

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Speaker 4: you know, they were just saved by sheer luck, and

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Speaker 4: actually expressing discomfort with the idea of bombing from that

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Speaker 4: Vantash point.

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Speaker 1: And all of this comes as ongoing bombing campaigns in

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Speaker 1: Gaza continue to kill dozens of people a day, off

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Speaker 1: to hundreds over in recent weeks, while the Israeli economy

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Speaker 1: seems to be badly suffering from this kind of endless

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Speaker 1: situation as who seems kind of hell bent on making

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Speaker 1: sure that these ceasefire talks that are that are underway

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Speaker 1: and it seemed to be accelerating, never make it. But

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Speaker 1: meanwhile wanted to talk about one of the one of

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Speaker 1: the economic implications. You can put up this this next

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Speaker 1: element here. This is from Middle East Monitor headline Israel

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Speaker 1: says a Lot Port bankrupt after months long hoo the

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Speaker 1: naval blockade. There's the lead of the article. The Israeli

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Speaker 1: Port of a Lot has officially declared bankruptcy because of

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Speaker 1: a sharp decline in commercial activities and revenues due to

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Speaker 1: the naval blockade imposed by Yemensuthi's on Israeli linked to

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Speaker 1: cargo ships since last November. A senior official has confirmed quote,

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Speaker 1: it must be acknowledged that the port is in a

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Speaker 1: state of bankruptcy, explained the CEO of a Lot Port,

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Speaker 1: Gideon Goldber. Only one ship has come here in recent months.

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Speaker 1: The Yemenis have effectively shut off access to the port unquote.

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Speaker 1: This is why the Israeli economy is taking a massive hit.

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Speaker 1: Kind of across the board. Tourism has plummeted to virtually zero.

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Speaker 1: The entire kind of low wage workforce, which was made

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Speaker 1: up of residents of the West Bank and Gaza who

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Speaker 1: would travel to Israel and work those jobs, that has

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Speaker 1: been completely shut off. At the same time, you have

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Speaker 1: the you know, tens two hundreds of thousands of people

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Speaker 1: being called up out of the Israeli economy into the

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Speaker 1: war economy to serve you know in Gaza, or in

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Speaker 1: the North, or in in the West Bank, which has

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Speaker 1: left you know, firms across Israel going bankrupt or or

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Speaker 1: running extremely short staffed. So I guess it's not terribly

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Speaker 1: surprising that this port is is now bankrupt, but it's

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Speaker 1: it seems like quite a projection of power for a

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Speaker 1: group of people, the Huthis, who kind of were derided

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Speaker 1: as kind of just just nuisances a few months ago.

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Speaker 4: Right, And it kind of also explains I think some

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Speaker 4: of the domestic pressures that are going to mount on Yahoo.

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Speaker 4: And we've been saying that obviously since basically October eighth,

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Speaker 4: because Yahoo is not, you know, operating in the way

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Speaker 4: that the American media sometimes portrays him that you know

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Speaker 4: there it's it's so myopic. American coverage of Israel is

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Speaker 4: just you know, it's all about, uh, the and it

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Speaker 4: should mostly be about the war. Of course, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's obviously the most important issue for the media to cover,

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Speaker 4: but there's never any context.

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Speaker 3: There's just so like it's just a.

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Speaker 4: Lack of domestic context. I think explaining why people either

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Speaker 4: are rallying behind Netanyahu or realizing why they you know,

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Speaker 4: their their support may be fading Fortan Yahoo. And I

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Speaker 4: think this is one of those pieces of that puzzle

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Speaker 4: that we so rarely hear about.

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Speaker 1: And before we go, I did want to highlight one

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Speaker 1: piece that my colleague Jeremy Scahill did over it over

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Speaker 1: at drop site news we can put that other element up.

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Speaker 1: So this is a This is an exclusive in person

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Speaker 1: interview that he did with the second in command of

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Speaker 1: Palestinian Islamic Jihad, with doctor Mohammad al Hindi. Al Hindi

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Speaker 1: has basically never since the nineteen eighties given an interview

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Speaker 1: two way Western journalists and it's uh. The whole thing

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Speaker 1: is is is revealing and startling in a number of

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Speaker 1: kind of fascinating ways. We published it as a Q

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Speaker 1: and A that you can find over at drops like

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Speaker 1: news dot com.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And there are a couple of kind of funny moments

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Speaker 1: in it as well, when when al Hindy starts talking

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Speaker 1: about kind of the American election, at one point he says,

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Speaker 1: you know, we would actually we would prefer a candidate

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Speaker 1: other than Joe Biden. And I was joking on on

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Speaker 1: Twitter the other day that like Biden has even lost

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Speaker 1: Palestinian Islamic jahad Uh at this point with with you know,

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Speaker 1: following on the heels of at Adam Schiff bailing on him.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But so p i J is a is a kind

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Speaker 1: of an ally of Hamas. But p i J was

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Speaker 1: was created before Hamas and but as as an armed

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Speaker 1: resistance group kind of exclusively aiming at aiming at liberation, uh,

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Speaker 1: rather than getting into politics and governance like like Hamas does.

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Speaker 1: So they don't participate, you know, they basically negotiate. Al

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Speaker 1: Hindi is the kind of lead negotiator for p i J.

904
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Speaker 1: But they they have basically given their proxy to Hamas.

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Speaker 1: They and what he told when he told Jeremy take

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Speaker 1: it with a grain of salt because it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not confirmed, but this guy would know

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Speaker 1: that they had they had, they had There was zero

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Speaker 1: coordination around October seventh that p IJ was not involved

910
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Speaker 1: with any of the planning and basically only learned of it,

911
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Speaker 1: you know, as it started happening. It had been reported

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Speaker 1: for months that October seventh was this joint operation between

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Speaker 1: Hamas and these multiple other factions, including p I J.

914
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Speaker 1: But he said, no, that they saw, just like everybody

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Speaker 1: else saw that Hamas had busted through the fence and

916
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Speaker 1: was launching this operation on his operation atloxa flood, and

917
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Speaker 1: they quickly scrambled to join in with them, but were

918
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Speaker 1: not actually part of the planning or or the strategy

919
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Speaker 1: behind it. So the whole thing is, the whole thing

920
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Speaker 1: is totally fascinating, and it's insight into the mind of

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Speaker 1: a guy who was actually listed by the State Department

922
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Speaker 1: as a as a terrorist, which I guess you know,

923
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Speaker 1: it makes he said, it makes it difficult for him

924
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Speaker 1: to get like a US bank account, but otherwise so

925
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Speaker 1: far has not cast some caused some significant problems though

926
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Speaker 1: you know, most people in his position eventually do end

927
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Speaker 1: up getting you know, either assassinated or or drawn struck.

928
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Speaker 3: But he is walking across the Southern border.

929
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Speaker 1: Is that a boomer jokes the Southern border?

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Speaker 4: So as you know, there there were when Nikki Haley

931
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Speaker 4: spoke yesterday, there were Israel flags being waived by a

932
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Speaker 4: couple of people. Nothing, I mean, it wasn't a huge amount,

933
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Speaker 4: but there were a couple of people who were waving

934
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Speaker 4: those flags. I saw him a couple of times yesterday

935
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Speaker 4: and actually on Monday had a chance to speak with

936
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Speaker 4: protesters who had a honk for ceasefire signs right outside

937
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Speaker 4: the convention. And obviously security is really tight here, but

938
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Speaker 4: right outside the perimeter protests have not been huge. She

939
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Speaker 4: does say that there were thousands of people. They came

940
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Speaker 4: out from Minneapolis, so that's a decently long bus ride,

941
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Speaker 4: probably took him about six six hours or so, and

942
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Speaker 4: got here marching in the heat. Was hot when they

943
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Speaker 4: did it and making their presence known. It has been

944
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Speaker 4: the security situation. There was security issues with a man

945
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Speaker 4: who was shot by police outside One man was taken

946
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Speaker 4: into custody after he came near the perimeter with apparently

947
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Speaker 4: an ak fortyes of a pistol, just yesterday. But inside

948
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Speaker 4: the perimeter things have felt quiet and calm, except for

949
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Speaker 4: those two incidents which happened beyond the perimeter, and the

950
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Speaker 4: protester beyond the perimeter too, so that not much outside noise.

951
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Speaker 1: That instant where police shot somebody, right, they was it

952
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Speaker 1: was two people that seem to have some personal beef,

953
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Speaker 1: right had nothing to do with the convention.

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Speaker 4: It seems that way as of right now. Yeah, it

955
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Speaker 4: does seem that way as of right now. Now, the

956
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Speaker 4: guy who was arrested.

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Speaker 1: With a pro tip if you're going to get cream mask, Yeah,

958
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Speaker 1: if you're going to have if you're gonna have personal

959
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Speaker 1: beef that involves guns or knives, don't do it anywhere

960
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Speaker 1: near political convention with within days of an assassination.

961
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Speaker 3: That is a pro tip.

962
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Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: No, that's just you know, it really has been again

964
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Speaker 4: like we were talking about this earlier, but not a

965
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Speaker 4: lot of infighting inside the convention and any of that

966
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Speaker 4: stuff that's happened outside of it has remained outside of it.

967
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Speaker 4: There hasn't really been any uh, you know, people have

968
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Speaker 4: quote respected the perimeter. Now it's another boomer joke to

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Speaker 4: the same segment to quote Action Kutcher in Cheaper by

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Speaker 4: the dozen. I guess that's not boomery. That's like a

971
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Speaker 4: cringe millennial joke. But the perimeter has been respected, and

972
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Speaker 4: I can confirm that from Milwaukee.

973
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Speaker 1: I suspect that will not be the case in Chicago,

974
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Speaker 1: but you and I will both be out there covering that,

975
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Speaker 1: and so we're looking forward to that perimeter undoubtedly not

976
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Speaker 1: being respected. There will be plenty of tension inside whether

977
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Speaker 1: Biden stays on the top of the ticket or or

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't. Either way, it's going to be rather raucous.

979
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Speaker 3: That's right, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well that'll do it. That'll do it for us today.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for everybody for joining us. It's a special evening

982
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Speaker 1: edition of Counterpoints r n C. Emily, enjoy the rest

983
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Speaker 1: of your time there. Emily's going to join me on

984
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Speaker 1: my my drop site podcast, Deconstructed, so check check that

985
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: out later and get the get get her fuller insights

986
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Speaker 1: into her time out in Milwaukee and the rise of

987
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Speaker 1: this new new populist right, which if if there's got

988
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Speaker 1: to be a right, this is this is the one

989
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Speaker 1: I'd rather see rising.

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Speaker 3: I'd say very interesting.

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Speaker 4: I think, hey, I think that's right, you know, see,

992
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Speaker 4: but this is where, you know, maybe we can talk

993
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Speaker 4: about this on on Deconstructed tomorrow. I don't think there's

994
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 4: as much daylight between Reaganism and Vancism as people think

995
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Speaker 4: there is, so we'll save that for another conversation. But

996
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Speaker 4: you know, I'll be checking back in with Crystal and

997
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Speaker 4: we'll be eager to come back to DC and chat with.

998
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Speaker 3: Everyone about what happened here next week. Thanks Ryan, all

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Speaker 3: right

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Speaker 1: See everybody tomorrow.