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Speaker 2: On the eleventh of May this year, Title forty two

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Speaker 2: On the ground. This assistant and planning didn't exactly meet

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Speaker 2: Challenging the process. In the days before the end of

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Speaker 2: Diana was with two friends, all of them wearing little

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Speaker 8: Yes, it's the end of Title forty two. Title forty

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Speaker 8: two is the one that endorses mass deportations. Yes, and

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Speaker 2: People at another camp in u Cumba heard the same

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Speaker 2: They crossed three countries on their way to what they

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Speaker 2: I asked them to describe that journey for me.

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Speaker 8: Yes, eight days, eight days more or less walking from

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Speaker 2: Here along the way, she said, they've run into a

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Speaker 8: There were parts where we were extorted. They took all

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Speaker 8: say that it's dangerous to take this journey. Yes, just

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Speaker 2: I asked Dianna what she hoped for now she was

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Speaker 8: Yes, let's say the hope is that they will listen

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Speaker 2: Before we started recording, Deanna asked what network I was with.

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Speaker 8: There are many people who, let's say, are in a

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Speaker 8: Because where xenophobia exists, it's hard for us because we

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Speaker 8: without stepping on anyone. Nobody wants this. But where we

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Speaker 8: So yes, the important thing is that people must know

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Speaker 2: One of her friends who she was sharing a top with,

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Speaker 8: Everyone despairs because everyone wants to leave, so everyone sees

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Speaker 2: I have to get another dusting down from a CBP

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Speaker 3: No, it's just me and my sister. We suffered a lot.

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Speaker 3: There were bandits. We came here to be safe. It's

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Speaker 2: We didn't get it. Your aunts to talk for long,

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Speaker 2: quite honest, I don't like prodding people to share their trauma,

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Speaker 2: talk to a Jamaican man called Joseph. It's his singing

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Speaker 1: I am the best one. Yeah, it's got a timber

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Speaker 5: He's gotta get.

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Speaker 1: There we go and get my man's up. Hey, you

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Speaker 1: know it's leg jennly is. He went on yelling and

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Speaker 1: Canna watch me hey man gradeful man, gradeful? I went

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Speaker 1: God all want give me everything for some fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh that was beautiful. Yeah, I'm I'm Joseph.

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Speaker 2: I asked him about some of the stuff we spoke

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Speaker 1: That's the old testimony to me and you and God

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Speaker 2: Okay, buddy, Alright, just just experienced a lot of personal

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's rough. It's rough out there, man, you know,

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Speaker 2: How did you come like you come? I asked him

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Speaker 1: It's it's just kind of scary. B he pulled.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 1: You have my energy inside.

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Speaker 2: Are you how's he finding it here in the camp?

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Speaker 2: Joseph wanted me to know that he wasn't giving up

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Speaker 1: Is that it's that? Isn't that like I'm giving away

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Speaker 2: Of course, this perspective is very common, and it's one

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Speaker 2: and confusing, even for me with three university degrees and

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00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: all the intersectional privilege I have and fifteen years living here,

437
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 2: and I've recently minted US passport. Now, I worried for

438
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: years that maybe I'd made a mistake on a form

439
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: or missed some kind of deadline. Speaking of deadlines, what

440
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: none of the migrants could tell us, what they all

441
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: wanted to ask about was exactly what was happening to

442
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: them As Title forty two expired. A Congolese lady asked

443
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 2: me if her passport would be confiscated. A lady from

444
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 2: Senegal asked if she needed to pay a bribe like

445
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: the one she'd paid in Mexico. It wasn't really clear

446
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: at first if these people were being detained and under

447
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: what process they were being received, would they be sent

448
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 2: back to Mexico and a Title forty two repatriated under

449
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: Biden's interpretation of Title eight, or given the right to

450
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: plead their case as international and US law suggests should

451
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: be able to. CBP made people sit in lines all

452
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: day with no indication of when they would be taken

453
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,959
Speaker 2: to the port of entry for processing. Sometimes I heard

454
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: people saying if everyone didn't sit down, there'll be nobody

455
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: processed that day. But the only food, water, and medical

456
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: attention available to the migrants was ZAK which could be

457
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: passed through the wall, and they had to get out

458
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 2: of their lines to receive this aid. Yeah, I'll let kay,

459
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: but describe what it looked like.

460
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 7: They had people waiting in lines that like you're to

461
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 7: sit in a line in a specific assigned spot. But

462
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 7: it wasn't always clear if those how those lines actually worked,

463
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 7: because they would kind of take people from lots of places.

464
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 7: I think they might have been prioritizing family for children,

465
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 7: or people with some kind of medical needs or something

466
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 7: like that. But we would that you would never know

467
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 7: when they were going to come, and we didn't seem

468
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 7: to know also who they were going to choose to take.

469
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 7: We assume we didn't know exactly where we were taking them,

470
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 7: but we assume they were taking the Port of Venture

471
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 7: in Sannes ce Tour, which is about a mile away.

472
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 7: And so what would always happen when they come and

473
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 7: get a group is like three or four people from

474
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 7: that group would sprint over to the world because we

475
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 7: still had their phones and CD people wasn't going to

476
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 7: wait for us to get the phones.

477
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: One thing a lot of people we talked to shared

478
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: was that there was another camp, which we later found

479
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: house as many as eight hundred single men. It's fairly

480
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: usual to keep single men apart from family, but keeping

481
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: them in an inaccessible place without adequate food or water

482
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: is not usual. The camp was further west, and despite

483
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: repeated requests from myself and others, including those delivering aid,

484
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: we were not allowed to access it. One pair of

485
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: Jamaican twins, both young men, told me they had walked

486
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 2: up there and that things were very bad. People were

487
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: only given one small water bottom the granola bar every day,

488
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: they said. One person told me they'd heard people eating grass.

489
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: I asked CBP's press office for information on this, but

490
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 2: they didn't respond. Here's one clip of a man trying

491
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: to explain how bad things were there. It's hard to

492
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: communicate across language barriers, and with a war between you

493
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: is even harder. But I could tell he was very

494
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: concerned for the folks that we couldn't get to, despite

495
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: myself and others trying and me addressing this issue directly

496
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: and emails to CBP, and never got any response on

497
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: why people were not allowed to help the single men

498
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: in the other camp.

499
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 5: Just not helping. What little water?

500
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 9: Nothing else? No food, no water, blankets, clothes, nothing. I'll

501
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 9: go try and go up there.

502
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: Even with these camps being pretty desperate places, folks look

503
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: after one another. We spoke a lot with one lady

504
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: who spoke English. She was there with her own family,

505
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: but she was also looking after two Tagi children who'd

506
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: come alone. Their mother spoke a little English, so she

507
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: relayed news to the children by calling their mother and

508
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: having her translated for her children. Other folks took it

509
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 2: upon themselves to try and walk to the camp for

510
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: single men with water, and people constantly helped us find

511
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: the owners of phone about wandering through the rows of

512
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: people sheltering under taps and space blankets to look for

513
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: people who had left us their devices to charge in Nukumber,

514
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: a town an hour or so east of San Diego,

515
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: things were worse. Cumber's home to a cute hotel, a

516
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: lovely lake, a hot spring, and an awful lot of

517
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: big rugs. When the border wall was being built in

518
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: Earnest before the twenty twenty election, they skipped some of

519
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: the harder areas. Perhaps they figured it would be too

520
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: hard to cross there, it's not Perhaps they wanted to

521
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: maximize the mileage before election day. Well, it didn't help much,

522
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: but either way, for some reason, the wall just takes

523
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: a little break in Hucumber and this makes crossing much

524
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: only easier there. However, the boulder fields, scorching hot days

525
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: and cold nights make it anything but easy. On Thursday night,

526
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: the eleventh of May, locals in u Cumba became aware

527
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: that CBP were holding people on a dirt road in

528
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: the open desert, just a few miles east of town

529
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: and a few hundred feet from the wall. The people

530
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: held they didn't have access to toilets, running water, or shelter.

531
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: With every hour that went past, the number of people grew.

532
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: The biggest camp soon held over one thousand people desperately

533
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: trying to scratch out a little shade in the desert. Others,

534
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: all accounts popped up. One was apparently in someone's yard,

535
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: and the people of this tiny desert town so about

536
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 2: helping as best they could. Soon they were joined by

537
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: volunteers from all over the county. Katie was one of

538
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: those volunteers. She doesn't live in a Cumber, but her

539
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: friends do and her family sometimes spends time there. Once

540
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: she heard about what was happening, she knew she had

541
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: to help. I let her describe her feelings after she

542
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: saw the post online and then drove out to Cumber

543
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: to see what she could do to help.

544
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 6: At first, I was just super touched by the activation

545
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 6: and the carrying, and my son was asleep, comfortable in

546
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 6: his car seat, you know, in our Mercedes van. And

547
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 6: my husband is still trying to get citizenship after being

548
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 6: here since he was two years old. So and we're

549
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 6: married and he pays taxes. And when I saw our

550
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 6: friends activating, I just told him tomorrow's Mother's Day and

551
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 6: I need to come back here, and it's not safe

552
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 6: for you here. So when I first arrived, I thought

553
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 6: it was kind of odd that everything was organized around

554
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 6: a random road that has a gate and there were

555
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 6: five only five border patrol at the time, and about

556
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 6: that was a larger camp, so I want to say

557
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 6: at least eight hundred people, maybe a thousand. I didn't

558
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 6: see them all because many of them would received their

559
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 6: donations and the assistance and went back to their shelters.

560
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: A few days after the migrants arrived, I camped out

561
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: in Hukumba. I was cold in my sleeping bag at

562
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: night and dizzy in the sun in the day. It's

563
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: not a place where you'd want to be stuck outside

564
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: the long but it's a place where fifteen hundred or

565
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: so people were held for days little more than the shelters.

566
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: They are built out of creosota and mesquite to protect

567
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: their families from the elements. They slept on the dirt

568
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: or in cardboard boxes left over from the food volunteers

569
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: fed them and under whatever folks and tiny desert count

570
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: could find to give them. By the time I arrived,

571
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: the migrants were gone and volunteers were cleaning up. The

572
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: landscape was dotted with impressively constructed brush shelters. Volunteers from

573
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: her Cumber set up tables to distribute food, blankets, water,

574
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: and clothing. Other volunteers stayed away from the camp itself

575
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: and spent time packing things into individual sizes, perhaps combining

576
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: hats and socks and maybe a toy for a child

577
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: in one bag, or breaking down costco packages of snacks

578
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: into individual portions. It's not necessarily the most rewarding task,

579
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: but it's an important one. I asked Marissa, another volunteer

580
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: who had previously worked in San Diego for the Forest Service,

581
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: what she felt when we were cleaning out some of

582
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: those shelters together a couple of days later.

583
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 10: I don't know the best way to say this, but

584
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 10: what hit me deeper was when this might seem strange,

585
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 10: but when I saw women's sanitary napkins or the diapers,

586
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 10: or the babies, like it was kind of like a

587
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 10: fabric padded crib basinet type thing. That suddenly hit me

588
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 10: on a deeper level would make me emotional, because it's

589
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 10: like then you start to realize, like, wow, what if

590
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 10: that was me and my child? Or I'm not a mother,

591
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 10: but I can only imagine what that must be like

592
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 10: for them to be going through these things as a

593
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 10: as a woman, being on your period and being out

594
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 10: and not having anything you know, going to the bathroom

595
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 10: out there, what do you use when you don't have

596
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 10: those supplies?

597
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 5: So yeah, it just.

598
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 11: That was when it hit me deeper, and I knew

599
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 11: I was doing the right thing by being out there

600
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 11: and helping in whatever way I could, because I don't

601
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 11: I don't when it comes to the politics side of it,

602
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 11: when it comes to like legality and just different aspects

603
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 11: of it. In that way, I don't have necessarily an

604
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 11: opinion one way or another. I'm not educated enough to

605
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 11: feel like I can I can argue one way or another,

606
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 11: or defend one position or another. I went out there

607
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 11: purely for my love of humanity, and I think being

608
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 11: able to support in whatever way I can that was

609
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 11: the way that I felt like I could serve and

610
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 11: BeO support.

611
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: Katie hadn't expected to make migrants at the camp when

612
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: she first showed up. She knew it was important not

613
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: to flog the camp with volunteers, and their help was

614
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: needed packaging and preparing aid drops, which she was happy

615
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: to do. But in the end, she traveled up to

616
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 2: the camp with a friend who spoke Portuguese so they

617
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: could help translate and distribute supplies. I asked her what

618
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: it was like to see the supplies she'd purchased a

619
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: few hours before end up in the hands of people

620
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: who desperately needed them.

621
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 6: They don't even have a grocery store in her cumber

622
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 6: They have one mini mart with nothing in it, and

623
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 6: that was sold out the first day. So these people

624
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 6: who we would look at without a lot of resources,

625
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 6: passing the abundance of what they actually have. Well, I

626
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 6: saw a lot of families. I could tell that there

627
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 6: were leaders within the group because they were helping organize

628
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 6: as much as the volunteers were. And unfortunately there was

629
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 6: language barriers, you know, and so those that could speak

630
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 6: multiple languages, whether they were border crossers or volunteers, were

631
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 6: together in it. And that was part of that organization

632
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 6: that I'm talking about, you know. And it was actually

633
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 6: a very calm scene.

634
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 5: When we first came up. I saw my son's.

635
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 6: Hat that I donated and a little boy hugging this

636
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 6: jaguar stuffed animal, and the jaguar was really significant to

637
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 6: my friend and I when we found it.

638
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 5: So it was really touching just to like.

639
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 6: See the things that we were bringing being literally being

640
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 6: distributed like sometimes when you think you're helping. I worked

641
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 6: for a door to door campaign when I was in

642
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 6: my teens and I got fifty percent of what I raised,

643
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 6: so and it was like disheartening, and you're like, oh,

644
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 6: this is how it works. And in this case, money

645
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 6: that I directly spent on resources that were needed was

646
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 6: going directly to the people.

647
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: In all likelihood, people crossed in a specific spot because

648
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: someone dropped them there telling them it would be easy.

649
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: In fact, it was anything but people die crossing around here.

650
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: In the dirt around Cucumber, I found discarded fly tocineries

651
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: and documents from Turkey, Nicaragua, Columbia, Mexico. There were also

652
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: little children's toys, shoes, and hundreds of empty water bottles

653
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: which we diligently picked up. But none of the more

654
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: than one thousand people who had board patrol held in

655
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: this camp have planned for what they got, which was

656
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: several days being detained in the desert by CBP with

657
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: inefficient water, no shelter, and very little food, and no

658
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: information on what was happening or how long they could

659
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: expect to be there. Sadly didn't get there in time

660
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: to speak to any of them. I was in Arizona

661
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: looking for border of vigilantes and wondering what CBP had

662
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: been doing to migrants there where they have the full

663
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: support of local law enforcement and a large percentage of

664
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 2: the aging population. To my surprise, I didn't find much.

665
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: It seems like most people had crossed in the San

666
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: Diego County area. Many had flown or walked to Tijuana.

667
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 2: Of course, migrants, just like us, have accessed the news

668
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: and to weather forecast and maps. Crossing in Arizona, a

669
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: place known for cruelty and very hot weather doesn't make

670
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: any sense when California offers a better political and weather climate,

671
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: and with the mixed messages coming down about immigration law,

672
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: these folks may not have been intending to evade border patrol,

673
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 2: but to come to the USA and to take their

674
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: legal right to claim asylum. I spoke to Sam, a

675
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: volunteer with extensive on the ground experience and umanitarian crises,

676
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: about what he'd seen at the camp.

677
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 12: Oh my name is Sam Schultz.

678
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: He said, many of the people who found themselves in

679
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: a cumber had likely been told by people smokelers, but

680
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 2: this was an easy way into the US. In the end,

681
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: it was anything but.

682
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 12: They I mean, I know they didn't expect that they

683
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 12: were just waltz across the border at a normal check station.

684
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 12: But they thought it was going to be they were

685
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 12: sold in bill of goods.

686
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: So let's put it that way.

687
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 7: Walk.

688
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 12: Yes, that's it. And so I mean, I feel sorry

689
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 12: for anybody who's taken advantage of all like that. But

690
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 12: most of the people that I met again who are

691
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 12: not Colombians, were of the wealthier side of the on

692
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 12: their countries. I met some of Becky's, some Kazakis, a

693
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 12: bunch of people from India, a couple of Pakistani guys.

694
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 12: I mean, they didn't get here cheap.

695
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: The wall behind the people in Hookumba cost twenty five

696
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: million dollars a mile. On average. The border patrol agent

697
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: drove around in f one to fifty rapped to trucks

698
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: that started eighty thousand dollars and each make a starting

699
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: salary of sixty thousand dollars in their first year. Surveillance

700
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: towers that dot the desert, including one which provided a

701
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: tiny scrap of shade to migrants resting under its solar panels,

702
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: can cost a million dollars apiece, but people in the

703
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: cumber received only one small water bottle each day, despite

704
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: the punishing weather Although Customs and Border Protection did not

705
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: seem to make any plan to shelter migrants in Cucumber,

706
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: they did plan to have contractors paid forty dollars an

707
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 2: hour to take them away. I found a job advert

708
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: for a Southwest Border Transportation and Security officer at ISS

709
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 2: Action Security. The agency photograph transporting migrants in the Cumber.

710
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: The job posting, which was posted two weeks before the

711
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: end of Title forty two, has a description that includes

712
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: patting down all detainees and applying appropriate restraints prior to

713
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 2: boarding vehicles. The process through its migrants become detainees normally

714
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: involves processing which had not been done in Nucumber, but

715
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: it seems a presumption of ineligibility announced on the day

716
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: Title forty two ended came into effect.

717
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 7: Here.

718
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: This might seem a minor distinction, but it's important. It

719
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: means that people have to file a defensive asylum claim

720
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: and not an affirmative one. They have to plead why

721
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: they shouldn't be deported, rather than why they have a

722
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: right to stay. Many of the people who have been

723
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: trying to cross before the end of Title forty two,

724
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: like Diana, because they felt they would face a less

725
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: serious penalty. Many of them flew to t Win I

726
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: walked from further south in Mexico or even in Central America.

727
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: I likely spent their entire savings on a trip to

728
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: the gap in the wall near Haucumber that ended with

729
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: them being held by border patrol in the open desert

730
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: with next to nothing in the way of shelter, sanitation,

731
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 2: or sustenance. As a way to quantify this, I want

732
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 2: a reference to UCSD US Immigration Policy Center report apparently

733
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: had some pretty problematic practices, but anyway, these are results

734
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: from its survey. When asked whether border patrol gave them

735
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: enough water for the day, over half of the asylum

736
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: seekers that we interviewed, approximately fifty three perc said no.

737
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: Border patrol distributed one water bottle to each migrant in

738
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: the morning. When asked where the border patrol gave them

739
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: enough food for the day, all of the asylum seekers

740
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 2: said no. Border patrol did not distribute any food. When

741
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: asked where the border patrol provided adequate sanitation such as toilets,

742
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: all of the asylum seekers that we interviewed, meaning one

743
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: hundred percent, said no. Border patrol provided one porter body

744
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: for the entire encampment. When asked where the border patrol

745
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: provided adepriate shelter, such as shade to protect them from

746
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: the sun, all of the asylum seekers that we interviewed

747
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: said no. Border patrol did not provide any shelter. When

748
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: asked where the border patrol provided blankets to keep them

749
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: warm at night, all but one of the asylum seekers

750
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: we interviewed said no. Border patrol provided blankets. Some migrants,

751
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 2: but the overwhelming majority, did not receive blankets. Altogether, two

752
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: thirds of the asylum seekers we interviewed said that they

753
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: agree or strongly agree with the statement if I did

754
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: not receive food and water from volunteers, I would not

755
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 2: get enough food and water from border patrol to survive.

756
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: These aren't exaggerations, as we'll see, several migrants did come

757
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: very close to losing their lives in the five or

758
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: more days that CBP detained people out in the open

759
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: along the border. Medical incidents in this kind of attention

760
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: are far from uncommon. A lawsuit filed against Customers to

761
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: Border Protection by the Southern Border Communities Coalition regarding their

762
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: actions this week stated that quote many migrants have fallen

763
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: into medical distress because of the conditions and CBP has

764
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: been slow to provide access to medical attention, often only

765
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 2: responding at the insistence of advocates. As a result, one

766
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: woman suffered life threatening allergies, a child suffered an epileptic seizure,

767
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: and a man suffered an unattended infection on his leg.

768
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: Medical attention was slow to arrive, and when it did arrive,

769
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: it was often insufficient. Like Kay, but describe the conditions

770
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: they saw a couple of days after the end of

771
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: Title forty two.

772
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 7: It's really the product that it's hard to under state.

773
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 7: The conditions there were not safe or sanitary. I guess

774
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 7: this is sort of related to medical issues, but there was.

775
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 7: It's been, you know, to their credit. The suspect has

776
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 7: been reported in the media that there was a single

777
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 7: portable toilet for anywhere from I guess there's probably twenty

778
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 7: to four hundred people there. I heard a couple of

779
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 7: different citations of how often this toilet is serviced and

780
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 7: cleaned and the waste removed anywhere from once or twice

781
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 7: a week to once every week or two weeks. Either way,

782
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 7: that's not remotely sufficient for four hundred people using the

783
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 7: back room multiple times a day in this single portable

784
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 7: like just a construction site toilet. It was right next

785
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 7: to the phone charging station on their side of the wall.

786
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 7: And my I would just feel sick if I get

787
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 7: if I sit too close to it. It was really vile.

788
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 7: It was not safe. It is not a way for

789
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 7: people to be helping. And I do know, I think

790
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 7: a lot of thankfully people stop using it, but then

791
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 7: they don't have any you know, a privacy or that

792
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 7: it's still not you know, a sanitary in a situation

793
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 7: to be in since I mean, they don't have a

794
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 7: future for space. So that's definitely one of the ways

795
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 7: that people are being fed in terms of their health

796
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 7: and safety.

797
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: Here's Amara who hear more from tomorrow describe being inn

798
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: of a medical incident.

799
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: And the call that I got this morning was of

800
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 4: a woman who was rushed out because she had an

801
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: emergency situation, taken to the hospital. The hospital didn't know

802
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 4: what to do with her, so they sent her right

803
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 4: back here in the middle of the night. In the

804
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 4: middle of the night and they brought her here. She

805
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 4: doesn't have any documents. CBP didn't get a chance to

806
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 4: process her yet, so she doesn't even have any proof

807
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 4: that she actually came to the port of entry and

808
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 4: try to seek asylum. And she was just sleeping right here.

809
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 4: And she has burns all over her body, has an infection.

810
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 5: I read the.

811
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: Seven medications that they gave her, and she speaks daddy.

812
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 5: She's from Avon as Than.

813
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: Her husband got taken by the Taliban and she escaped,

814
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 4: running for her life. And she's here and she has

815
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 4: sunburns all over her face and she has nowhere to go.

816
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 4: She thought she was still detained. She actually thought she

817
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: was still detained. She was just trying to get back

818
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 4: to the other side of the border. She thought she

819
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 4: was still in Mexico. No one explained anything to her.

820
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 4: They brought her back here in the middle of the night,

821
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: and she was freezing and so wet.

822
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: That's why I came out here. I talked to her.

823
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: Her.

824
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 4: The other folks who were out here didn't know why

825
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 4: she was just sleeping here, and I came out and

826
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: tried and translated.

827
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 5: And now we have her at a hotel.

828
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: Okay.

829
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: The witness one of the emergencies described in the Southern

830
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 2: Border Communities Coalition lawsuit. When they visited the camp, he's

831
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 2: describing it in.

832
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 7: Terms of you know, medical care as well. I guess

833
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 7: in one of the parts of the aid operation I

834
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 7: was my known was most people. I think there's a

835
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 7: probination both of people who were you know, and then

836
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 7: street medicine as well as people who were like nurses

837
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 7: volunteering their prime and things like that and mostly taking

838
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 7: care of just kind of protain first aid for the

839
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 7: most part. There was a situation where someone was having

840
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 7: an a perject reaction, a fairly severe one, and I

841
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 7: happened to carry in EpiPens, so I simply that to

842
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 7: one of one of the street medics, and then they

843
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 7: eventually did.

844
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 9: All this person.

845
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 7: The reaction bought severe enough that it was an an

846
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 7: hour or so later at that none one was called,

847
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 7: I assumed by one of the volunteers, and uh Amber

848
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 7: Valance and Border patrol came to open the gate and

849
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 7: bring this person into the country. They did eventually treat her,

850
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 7: but it was a very it was a long time

851
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 7: a from thence that of somethings, which is someone as

852
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 7: someone who has anaphylexis reactions food and it's had that

853
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 7: happened many times in her life. That is absolutely terrifying.

854
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 7: I cannot imagine how terrifying. It would be to be

855
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 7: experiencing a life writing situation when you work for RAPS

856
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 7: and and and you know there's no authority that really

857
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 7: cares that you're there. And I don't know if she

858
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 7: would have been able to get help if there have

859
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 7: been volunteers on I said for the wall, especially once with.

860
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: Practical training, where volunteers weren't. Things were worse in Texas,

861
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: and I just a Reyes Alvarez, an eight year old

862
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: girl born in Panama to Honduran parents, died in CBP custody.

863
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: Rossell Rees, the girl's father, told NBC News that they

864
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 2: gave authorities documents about the girl's medical conditions congenital heart

865
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: disease and sickle cellonemia while they were in immigration custody.

866
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: They said that a doctor there examined dan adeath and

867
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: that she had contracted the flu. Alvarez her mother said

868
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: she spoke to both detention authorities and medical personnel at

869
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: the station multiple times to explain her daughter was complaining

870
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: of pain and shortness of breath and that she was

871
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Speaker 2: getting worse. I'll quite the next part directly from the

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Speaker 2: NBC story. They never listened to me, she said, Reyes

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Speaker 2: said his daughter was in a lot of pain, a

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Speaker 2: lot of pain. I begged them to call an ambulance,

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Speaker 2: Alvarez said, adding their authorities told her the girl's condition

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Speaker 2: wasn't serious enough to warrant calling an ambulance. Avarez said

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Speaker 2: her daughter begged authorities as well, telling them she could

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Speaker 2: not breathe from her nose or mouth. Avares says that

879
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Speaker 2: eventually her daughter lost consciousness and died in my arms.

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Speaker 2: She said, authorities took the girl from her arms and

881
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Speaker 2: put her on the floor trying to revive her. My

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Speaker 2: daughter died there in the station, she said. Avare said

883
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Speaker 2: she feels authorities did not do enough to help her

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Speaker 2: little girl. My daughter is a human being. They had

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Speaker 2: to take care of her, she said. Despite what you

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00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: might have heard on the network news, the asylum process

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00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: is anything but easy. I've had several visas, a Green

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Speaker 2: card and a US passport, and I can compily tell

889
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Speaker 2: you the only easy way I've ever seen to come

890
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Speaker 2: here is to be very rich. But even among the

891
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: convoluted bureaucratic mess at his US immigration, the asylum process

892
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: stands out as both rigorous and complicated. Asylum is a

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Speaker 2: process by which people unable are unwilling to return to

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Speaker 2: their country because of persecution or a well founded fear

895
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Speaker 2: of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, politics, or

896
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Speaker 2: membership of a particular social group may remain in a

897
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Speaker 2: safe country. From the eleventh of May onwards, migrants at

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Speaker 2: the border were assumed ineligible for asylum. If they cross

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Speaker 2: between points of entry, they must enter the defensive asylum

900
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Speaker 2: process to prevent themselves from being deported. What this means

901
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Speaker 2: for people we heard from earlier is that they are

902
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Speaker 2: now taken, for whatever God forsake and holding area. They're

903
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: in a bust to a processing facility where they're interviewed

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Speaker 2: by an asylum officer to determine if they have a

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Speaker 2: credible fear of persecution. They may need to provide a

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Speaker 2: translator if there is an interviewing agent who speaks their language,

907
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 2: and if they're determined to have a credible fear, they're

908
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Speaker 2: told to check in with the US Customs and Immigration

909
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: Office and sometimes given a notice which may or may

910
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: not be dated to appear in court. My colleague Jo

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Speaker 2: tried to get into one of these hotels to talk

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00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: to one of the people we'd spoken to at the border,

913
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Speaker 2: but he was pretty quickly shut down.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, how you either.

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Speaker 1: I'm a freelance journalist.

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Speaker 12: I'm here reporting.

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Speaker 5: For my boss, James Stout. He's at iHeartMedia.

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Speaker 12: I'm wondering if you're letting media in here to see.

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Speaker 5: The guys said only not okay.

920
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: Also the actually guys and not the strict n of

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Speaker 1: this area here Okay.

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Speaker 5: So if we're going to set up, it has to

923
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Speaker 5: be on the side of the line.

924
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Speaker 1: Because I'm a lot of traffic.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's very dangerous for your pa.

926
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Speaker 1: So like beyond here, a past the college.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, from here over okay, cool, I'll.

928
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Speaker 6: Say how you're working.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: One of the folks we'd met was able to stay

931
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Speaker 2: in touch for our WhatsApp and share the hotel rules

932
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Speaker 2: with us. They were pretty strict. Migrants are confined to

933
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Speaker 2: their rooms, they can't have visitors, and they can't even

934
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Speaker 2: order food delivery from the hotel where they're hosted by

935
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Speaker 2: Catholic charities. Migrants need to get to their sponsor in

936
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Speaker 2: the United States if they have one. If they don't

937
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: have one, they can be sent just about anywhere. I've

938
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Speaker 2: heard of East African folks having ended up in Alaska,

939
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Speaker 2: for example. Once they get to where they're going to be,

940
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Speaker 2: they check him with US Customs and Immigration Services in

941
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Speaker 2: their new location, and they're given a special phone which

942
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: also tracks their movements. They may have a DNA sample

943
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: take and in addition to fingerprints. Later, sometimes years later,

944
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Speaker 2: they attend a court hearing or two to determine their

945
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: eligibility to stay. I've heard of lawyers charging from five

946
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars to twelve thousand dollars for these hearings, and

947
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: nonprofit legalists and services are totally overwhelmed. At the moment,

948
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 2: the systems massively backed up, and court dates are being

949
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Speaker 2: given as far out as twenty twenty seven already. They

950
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Speaker 2: may or may not be able to work during that period.

951
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: Another table, work is getting harder and harder to find.

952
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: Even if they do find work on less than minimum wage,

953
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Speaker 2: it can be very hard to say about five thousand

954
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Speaker 2: dollars for a lawyer. A Migrants who can't find nonprofit

955
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: help are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to

956
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: their asylum hearings. Again, private security contractors, this time from Allied,

957
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: were transporting migrants to the hotel and guarding it. Like CBP.

958
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: The private contractors you guard, transport and incs rate migrants

959
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: or rely on the broken in immigration system to make money.

960
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 2: Unlike CBP, the agents themselves aren't well paid. Nineteen dollars

961
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: an hours are going great for Allied, not much higher

962
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: than San Diego's sixteen dollars and thirty cents minimum wage.

963
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: But the company itself is huge. It's the third last

964
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 2: yearest private employer in North America after Walmart and Amazon.

965
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 2: Allied guards are at prisons, airports, and shopping malls across America,

966
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Speaker 2: and it's alleged that some are underpaid, intufficiently trained, and

967
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: improperly vetted. The company grosses over twenty billion dollars, and

968
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Speaker 2: it's affiliates are frequent political donors. All across this story

969
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: you'll see this Allied Security iss action security people, smugglers,

970
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: customs and border protection, contractors who build the war pieces

971
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Speaker 2: and contractors who install the wall pieces, General Atomics who

972
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: sell CBP drones, and the Israelian American companies who sell

973
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: the surveillance technology to the government. All these people make money,

974
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Speaker 2: but the poorest people in the world are the only

975
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Speaker 2: ones losing money, and sometimes they're lives when they cross

976
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Speaker 2: our southern border. Tomorrow we'll hear from some of the

977
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Speaker 2: people who made no money and looked after the migrants,

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Speaker 2: and we'll continue to support them through the asylum process.

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