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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing position and blogger. On

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Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our

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Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Today we are going to be talking about time tracking,

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Speaker 1: and we have not a guest, but definitely an expert

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Speaker 1: on the topic. Laura Vandercam. Yay introduction, Sarah. It's also

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Speaker 1: a very timely episode as Laura has a book coming

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Speaker 1: out soon. So my first question for this interviewee is

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Speaker 1: where is my book? I'm sorry we're taking this on

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Speaker 1: April twenty seven, which is the date I'm supposed to

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Speaker 1: have advanced copies, but it apparently takes a little bit

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Speaker 1: of time for it to come from the warehouse or

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Speaker 1: some such I don't know. I'm expecting a shipman to

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Speaker 1: come very soon and then I will get my finished

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Speaker 1: copy out to Sarah immediately. And I also, I am

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Speaker 1: going to put in a pre order just in support,

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Speaker 1: because I know that pre orders help you very much,

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Speaker 1: so I'll do that so I can, you know, give

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Speaker 1: one to somebody else. But i want my advance because

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've earned that at this point. You have,

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Speaker 1: you really earned that at this point. But thank you

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Speaker 1: for mentioning the whole advanced copy thing. No, we yeah,

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Speaker 1: well see, so like it's very mysterious to me in

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Speaker 1: about advance. I started to learn a little bit through

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Speaker 1: like modern missus Darcy, Like she talks about getting all

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Speaker 1: these books through you, and I know sometimes you do.

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Speaker 1: How does this work? The promotion of books? Well, so

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Speaker 1: when you print them up, when they hit the bookstores

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Speaker 1: May twenty nine, so that's how we're having the first copies.

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Speaker 1: April twenty seven. There is an extremely limited run of

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Speaker 1: galleys that is printed, you know, about three months prior

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Speaker 1: have really long lead times for stuff like magazines or

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Speaker 1: the Summer Reading Guide. Basically, yeah, that makes sense cooking

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Speaker 1: are you're asking to blurb the book. The problem is

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Speaker 1: that the galleys are often like ridden with errors because

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Speaker 1: it's been it's been very exciting to have this book

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Speaker 1: If we have any listeners who've read previous books of mine,

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Speaker 1: I Know How She does It came out in June

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Speaker 1: a live pigeon. Well, no, I'm not getting a live pigeon, Casey,

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Speaker 1: happy to hear about it. Awesome. So this book is

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Speaker 1: I think it was more supposed to be like for

431
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Speaker 1: work desk and then so that would be kind of cool,

432
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: like if for lawyers you flip it to one thing,

433
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: flip it to the other. Yeah, so if you have yeah,

434
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: sixty clients, your dice has six side you just like

435
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: quick exactly exactly. So that was interesting, but wouldn't work

436
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: for the sort of lifetime tracking what changes have you made?

437
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: What like after seeing this big picture and like having

438
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: this beautiful kind of objective view of what your life

439
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: look fairly objective because you're putting it in so maybe

440
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: not perfectly objective of what your life looks like, like

441
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: what changes have you made? Well, some changes have happened,

442
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: not necessarily of me choosing. I mean, obviously I choose

443
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: my time, but my work hours have been trending down

444
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: over the last three years, which is interesting to me

445
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: because and I've sort of sorted out, you know, what

446
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: is going on. It wasn't like I decided I needed

447
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: more work life balance and hence hence scaled it down.

448
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a couple of things one is that

449
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: as my kids have gotten older, I have been doing

450
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 1: more of the shuttling to activities as they have been

451
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: in more activities, and because there's a lot of them,

452
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: and so even though I have a full time nanny

453
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: who is responsible for some of the shuttling, like we

454
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 1: need two drivers, and so until I get around to

455
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: hiring a second part time fitter, like like this is,

456
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: this is here, and and when I'm my husband at

457
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: home he can do some of it and she makes

458
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: it work when I'm traveling or you know, my nanny

459
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: does or else. I have hired a second center for

460
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: the days sometimes when I'm traveling. But you know, if

461
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm in the car from like five to six thirty,

462
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: that that's time I'm not working, Like that's work day

463
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: time that you know, if I'm trying to work, let's say,

464
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: forty five hours a week would need to be work time,

465
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: whereas if I'm working thirty five hours a week, isn't

466
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: going to be work time, you know. So that's sort

467
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: of it's been trending down with that. It's also a

468
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: question of what I count as work, and I think

469
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: that that is also playing into it. So in the

470
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: past three years, I have definitely started traveling more for work,

471
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: and I yeah, because you're doing a lot more speaking,

472
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: doing a lot more speaking, and a day where you're

473
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: going to a speech might only involve a couple hours

474
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: of work, but it could take the whole day. So this,

475
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think people might quibble with what I'm

476
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: counting as work. Then So if I say I work

477
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 1: thirty three hours a week, but I'm like traveling two

478
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: nights a week, you know, then people be like that

479
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: doesn't even compute. You know, that's that's a fifty sixty

480
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: hour work week, and it depends how you count it.

481
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 1: But I don't like if I'm reading, you know, a

482
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: novel on the plane. In my mind, I'm reading a novel,

483
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: like that's my primary activity, and so that's what I'd

484
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: count it as well. In a way, I actually kind

485
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: of I think maybe the tracking would help with that

486
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: a little bit, because it's like you're away, like you

487
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: might otherwise be caught in the trap of believing the

488
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: year at work. But the truth is, if you look

489
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: on a granular level and you're like having a glass

490
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: of wine at the bar and putting a novel and

491
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: talking to your friend, you're like hmm, yeah, actually, I'm

492
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: enjoying this time, and then it's not necessarily in the

493
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: work sphere, not that that can't be any No, that's fascinating.

494
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't define work as something you don't like, which

495
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: is I think the only four hour work week is

496
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: is god. Yeah. So I mean the day that I

497
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: slept the least, for instance, in the last you know, year,

498
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: was a day that I may have been the day

499
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: our podcast launch actually, but that had nothing to do

500
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: with my sleep. But I slept only like three point

501
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: seventy five hours that day, but that was because I

502
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: was up early with the three year old. He was

503
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: too thin, and then I got on an early flight

504
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: to Chicago. I flew to Chicago, I had a speech

505
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day. I flew home on

506
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: a very late flight that evening. I only recorded eight

507
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: hours of work for that day, but I was gone

508
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: from like six thirty to one thirty, you know. So

509
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: it's it's not all not work time is completely in

510
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: the clear obviously, I mean, you know, not all it's

511
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: fun and not all of it's you know, there are

512
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: different facets to everything, I guess. Yeah, So so that's

513
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: a function of it too, So yeah, I do. I

514
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: don't know what I what I how I feel about that.

515
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: I do know that I'm earning more working fewer hours

516
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: than I was in the first Well that's useful information,

517
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: I think because if if you know, that tells you

518
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: that the direction that you're taking your work in right

519
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: now is I mean from a from a positive one. Yeah,

520
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: as long as you're enjoying it, that's great. At your

521
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: hourly rate is going up. Yeah, so that's but that's

522
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: partly just that. Yeah, giving speeches is a more efficient

523
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: way to earn a living than writing articles, and there's

524
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: been sort of a switchover in terms of my my

525
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: business over the past few years with with that. So so, yeah,

526
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: the work has been trending down. You know, I spend

527
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: more time in the car than I thought I did.

528
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: I'm reading more, which is good. Yes, I was going

529
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: to say, I think you made a change to your

530
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: reading life in part based on timelog data. Right. Yeah,

531
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: So the first year I tracked, I read three hundred

532
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: and twenty seven hours, which sounds like really good. You know,

533
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: that's that's maybe what like fifty minutes a day. It's

534
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: it's pretty you know, it's almost an over day. It's

535
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: not bad at all, but it was I was seeing, like,

536
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: I can't really think of that many books I've read

537
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: in that time that I really truly enjoyed, that I

538
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: felt good about reading, and all of a sudden, I mean,

539
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's like people are listening to this or

540
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: like my book came out during that time and you

541
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: read it. I know I loved all of your books,

542
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: but I'm what I'm saying is I didn't read a

543
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: whole lot of like Meati novels or anything like that.

544
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: And I know that I spent a lot of time

545
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: reading like what felt like the exact same magazine article

546
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: over and over again. And I love magazines, but it's

547
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: kind of my form of mindless entertainment and that's not

548
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: always the best way to be spending time. So well,

549
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: it seems like you've gotten more enjoyment out of turning

550
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: those hours into more directed book reading, Like that's become

551
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: a facet of your life. That yeah, And so what

552
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: I thgot is that I did have time to read,

553
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: So it's not like I don't have time to read.

554
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: So if I was telling myself some story like, oh,

555
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't have time to read books. That is so

556
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: not true. I have time to read, and I showed

557
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: that to myself in this you know, first year Timeloge

558
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: when my youngest child was at the start of it

559
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: three months and at the end of the year he

560
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: was fifteen months. So I've had a nursing baby this

561
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: whole time I was launched a book, was traveling, I

562
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: still had time to read. I had time to read

563
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty seven hours. It was just a

564
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: lot of crap that I was reading. So once I

565
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: saw that, I was like, well, you know, let me

566
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: try to repurpose some of this three hundred and twenty

567
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: seven hours. And so I did. And then once I

568
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: started doing that, I got enough into reading good books,

569
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: like I remembered, you know, I actually really do like

570
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: to read. Then I started turning more of my potential

571
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: leisure time into reading time. So I know, on some

572
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: like some of the work time going down is because

573
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm reading more, and that is good. You know, work

574
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: is an elastic sort of thing, and so you can

575
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: be on top of every email or you cannot. And

576
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm just not because I'm reading a good book.

577
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that's necessarily you know that's a

578
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: choice so well, and you happen to have a career

579
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: where even though reading books doesn't work, it definitely can

580
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: add to your work performance because your good ideas in

581
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: things that you read that may end up and I mean, well,

582
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: I blog about the books, but but also yeah, I

583
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: haven't really counted much of the reading as work, except

584
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: for stuff like if I'm interviewing somebody and I am

585
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: trying to get through their book before I interview them,

586
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 1: I would probably count that as work. But or if

587
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: I'm reviewing something for like the Wall Street Journal, I'll

588
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: count the times been reading it as work. But I

589
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: think that, you know, I have definitely seen it. So

590
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: I've finished the draft of another book that will come

591
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: out in March of twenty nineteen. That is a fable

592
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: and so it is in fact fiction, and I found

593
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: that my sense of structure and pacing for that was

594
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: so much better, you know, because range so much, and

595
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: so I'm experiencing all the different writing styles. Yeah, no,

596
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: that totally makes sense. No, that's so cool. So that's

597
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: a concrete change you've made based on the data create change. Yeah,

598
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: it's also interesting to see what does not change, like

599
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: sleepest yeah, that one is I but you didn't start

600
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: when your son was an infant, did you? No? I mean,

601
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: well I started when he was he was one. No,

602
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: I started, well the first the first when I started tracking,

603
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: my fourth child was three months old. Oh, he was

604
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: an infant. I can't believe he didn't get less sleep

605
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: that year. That's a little because I I, well, I'm

606
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: not time tracking, so maybe I don't know, but I

607
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: am getting less sleep right now. Well, so I would

608
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: make it up. I mean, you have less of an

609
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: ability to make it up, although you might be doing

610
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: things like crashing early or yeah, I do crash pretty early,

611
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: that's true. And like last night because I'm not working today,

612
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: I was actually in bed from like nine to seven

613
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: even though I was feeding her. So you're right, maybe

614
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: I am making it up, yeah, very fast, because it

615
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: might be possible to be in bed for ten hours

616
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: and only sleeping seven, right, and sleep eight hours? That

617
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: is your number like that. You know these words to

618
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: have it be chopped up, And definitely it was chopped up.

619
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean I can look at my logs and I

620
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: was like, you know, one hundred and forty six nights

621
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: that first year up before four thirty am for something.

622
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wow, so that's so cool. I love that

623
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: you can like graph that out. Yeah you should, you should,

624
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: you should make I want some visuals. I did it, Like,

625
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: all right, there needs to be graphed, like nights of

626
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: interrupted sleep, how that's gone down over the years. I

627
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: think you should graph like I don't know, there's so

628
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: many interesting things that you could graph. I mean the

629
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: number of days that Alex woke me up at five

630
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: am despite Like that would be a great creas too,

631
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if I'm going to show it

632
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: to him later in life. Is like, you know, why

633
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: why needs to take care of me when I'm old?

634
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: You can make a cool scatterplot of like night weakenings

635
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: over time that. Yeah, you could do a lot of

636
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: things with this. This is see, I think you need

637
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: an intern. I really do. I'm on it. I'm on it.

638
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: So then yeah, but I seven point four hours the

639
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: first two years, seven point three hours the last year.

640
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: So clearly you know this is what I'm aiming for.

641
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: Uh wow, that's biology right there. Biology. Uh you know,

642
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: biology for someone who doesn't have chronic insomnia. I don't

643
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to minimize people's you know,

644
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: I know people have sleep issues and their bodies don't

645
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: have that same catch up impulse, and that's, you know,

646
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: a medical issue that you should you know, yes, yes, yes, no.

647
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: I feel really bad for people with insomnia. I can't imagine.

648
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: I really can't. Well. I guess when I was pregnant,

649
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: I had it. So that's like a little taste, but that, yeah,

650
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: that's as off a life you are glad you do

651
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: not have, I know, serius. Okay, one last nosey question.

652
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: Have you ever tracked your husband's time or have you

653
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: ever found that tracking leads you to more of a

654
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: scorekeeping place, Like you look at your week and you're like,

655
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, I've been with the kids every single

656
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: night by myself. Like I don't think i'd want to

657
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: see that on paper, because if I saw, I mean

658
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: not that that typically happens these days, but like if

659
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: we did have a bad week, I think I'd almost

660
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: rather not be so aware of it. I don't know

661
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: how does that does that? I think it's actually helpful

662
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: because it keeps having the data often keeps us from catastrophizing,

663
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: if that's the word. I'm not sure quite how we

664
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: say that, but yes, yes, yes, catastrophizing that that mind's

665
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: often not as much as I want becomes zero, you know, so,

666
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: or more than i'd like, becomes all the time all

667
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: the time. Yes, yes, So one might be like, I'm

668
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: with the kids all the time and you're never with them.

669
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's not true. I can see

670
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: on my time loog that you know, he made them

671
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: breakfast twice this week and maybe that was all he

672
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: saw them this week or something. But it's not nothing.

673
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: So you know, let's not have it be nothing. It's

674
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: not as much as you might want to have happened,

675
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: but it's not nothing. And and so I think that's

676
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 1: a key breakthrough with the time tracking. I do see

677
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of nights that you know,

678
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: I was on with the kids. I mean, certainly life

679
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: has changed and we got more evening childcare. You know

680
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: that I decided I didn't actually want to be the

681
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: only person on in the evening many times during the week,

682
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: putting four kids to bed in a row, you know,

683
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: decided that's although now they often go to bed later

684
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: than our nan neumarks. Anyway, so I'm back and better

685
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: than ever or same thing. But I guess, you know,

686
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: at least I get a little bit of downtime earlier

687
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: in the evening if I do want to get caught

688
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: up with work. My husband has tracked a time, not

689
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: not three years, not not recently, but he did do

690
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: it at least once. And you know it's for how long?

691
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: It's a week? Yeah, I've been trying to get Hey, Josh,

692
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: who is a wonderfully dedicated podcast listener, Hi, you should

693
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: try it. He doesn't want to. I don't know. I

694
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: think it might be interesting. It is interesting to see

695
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes to see that there is time

696
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: available sometimes for for other things. And I think, you know,

697
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: I've I've actually, you know, wanted my husband sometimes to

698
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: share his log with other people at his company to

699
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: see that. I think he does build in some other

700
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: stuff in a way that sometimes people don't believe that

701
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: you can, Oh cool, that could be the next book.

702
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if my husband's time management is really

703
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: a or writing a book about you know, as as

704
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: people will who who might read off the Clock will

705
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: find out. I I have tracked other things involving my

706
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: husband just because they uh, you know, oh is that

707
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: in the books? And it makes sense I was going

708
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: to ask, but I wasn't sure I was allowed. Okay,

709
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: we'll leave that for the book readers or maybe the book. Now,

710
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: anything that you spend time on will wind up on

711
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 1: a time log and be in a book if you're married,

712
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: if you're marrying to me. So we'll say people are

713
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: reading that, how they how they feel about that one? Awesome? Awesome, awesome. Okay, well,

714
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: now I'm even more excited to get my book listeners.

715
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: We welcome your time tracking experiences. Maybe someone will come

716
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: out of the woodwork and be like, I've been doing

717
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: it for two years too, and I just I find

718
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: it fascinating. Maybe I'll maybe I'll do another. I thought

719
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: one idea would be to like do a week quarterly

720
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: because that might be like enough to like give me

721
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: because I actually think that would be a really cool

722
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: thing to look back on, like a little bit of

723
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: time capsule. So that is actually the coolest part about

724
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: it this. I mean, the numbers are what they are,

725
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: but what's more interesting to me is looking back on

726
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: these timelines. I get I have this picture of my

727
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: past weeks, and so you can sort of see like,

728
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I remember that, and I remember that and

729
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: we often have sort of memories of peak experiences or

730
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: particularly low moments, moments or something, but you don't even

731
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: see the con you don't remember the contact all around it.

732
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: You'd be like, oh, yeah, that's what else I did

733
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: on that particular day. So it's it's more holistic and

734
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: social media and the blog is more of like a

735
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: highlight reel, and it still helps and it does give

736
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: you a little bit of that day to day, but

737
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: a timelog is going to give you like the real

738
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: like the stuff that happens in between. You know. That's cool. Yeah,

739
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh I got this, you know, awesome

740
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: professional thing, and then I drove to karate like this

741
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: is my life. But I recommend it. It's a very

742
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: easy way of keeping a journal in a way, and

743
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: a very holistic journal as opposed to just like how

744
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: I felt about X, Y or Z that happened this week.

745
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: So I'm really glad I did it. I think I'll

746
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: remember a lot of this very sort of full season

747
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: of life in a way. I think you should go

748
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: for a decade. I think that's minimum minimum at this point.

749
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: All right, So that was great. If you have tracked

750
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: your time, we would love to hear from you. If

751
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: there are things that you're curious about with time tracking,

752
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: please give us a shout out about that. And yeah,

753
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: there's more about this in Off the Clock my various

754
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: discoveries from from time tracking. So you know, if you're

755
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: listening to this in early May, which is when it

756
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: comes out, Off the Clock will be out May twenty nine.

757
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: If you like the podcast, so's there's still time to

758
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: pre order Mary and it does help laur her out,

759
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: So you should do it. If you're going to do it,

760
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: just do it now. Yes, thank you for your support

761
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: with that. I really appreciate you. Welcome. So okay our

762
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: Q and A, this is timely? Uh do you you

763
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: you want to be the question? Do you have a

764
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: question from a listener about getting sick? And we've we've

765
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: talked about kids getting sick and how you handle sick days.

766
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: I think that was part of our childcare episode. You know,

767
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: although we may need to revisit childcare because I think

768
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: about half our questions we get about childcare. Yes that's true,

769
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: but about getting sick yourself. And so this woman wrote

770
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: that as the mom of two young kids who also

771
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, teaches college students, but you know, teaches you

772
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: get sick, And she says she really can't easily take

773
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: sick days from work because she'd have to reschedule her classes,

774
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: get a sub. You know, that's just a real pain

775
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: for you know, any teacher knows that nothing happens quite

776
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: as you want it when the sub is there, and

777
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: the kids don't make as much progress as you want. So,

778
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, anyway, like it's it's just she doesn't like

779
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: to take sick days. But on the other hand, you

780
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: don't take your sick dase You're trying to power through

781
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: and it's hard. So she says, how do you deal

782
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: with being sick? Any tips for staying healthy, recovering quickly,

783
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: resting as you can, communicating with people who are expecting

784
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: things from you. You know, what what do you do, Sarah?

785
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: Like you have you get sick, You've got you know,

786
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: a dozen patients waiting for you. What what's going on? Yeah,

787
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with this person, and I tend to power

788
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: through a lot of the time. I think you have

789
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: to look at sickness as like, well, how sick are you? Right?

790
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there is like a really bad call, but

791
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: as if you don't have shaking chills and a fever,

792
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: or even if maybe you did the night before but

793
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: now you're on meds, which I'll get to in a second,

794
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: you can you can do a lot, I mean a

795
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: lot of work. Is not that physically taxing these days.

796
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: For me, the biggest concern is like, if I'm really

797
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: like snotting all over the place, I don't want to

798
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: contaminate people, especially my patients. So you know, on occasion,

799
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: I'll wear a mask if I really think I might

800
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: be very contagious. If I'm working from home, it wouldn't

801
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: bother me that much. There's a little bit of a

802
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: mythology around like, oh, if you don't like lie in

803
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: bed for the entire day, you're going to like get

804
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: some secondary infection. I don't know that there's really data

805
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: to back that up, especially if you're dealing with Again,

806
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: we're not talking about like a horrible case of the flu.

807
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like a cold, which is the most

808
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: common thing, you know, something that's not systemically horrible for you,

809
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: but just unpleasant. I think powering through is realistic, especially

810
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: if you're home, because then you're not contaminating anyone. Because again,

811
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: that I think is where I worry the most, you know,

812
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: bringing stick in to the workplace is, yeah, it's more

813
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: about the other people than it is about you. I

814
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: would not want my physicians snotting on me. I just

815
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: know I totally get it. But would you want them

816
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: to like like, oh, sorry, I don't have anywhere to

817
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: move you. You You will see you in a month. I mean,

818
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't want that either, So you got to

819
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: kind of like figure out what can make things work.

820
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: I do think building some wiggle room into your schedule,

821
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: which is something even before and again before I went

822
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: part time, sometimes i'd like put one random day off

823
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: every couple months for this exact reason. More I was

824
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: to give it more if my kids got sick. But

825
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: that way, like if I had to take off Tuesday

826
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: the seventh unexpectedly, I'd have a hole so that on

827
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: the twentieth I could be like, you're all going to

828
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: come on the twentieth, because otherwise for me, it really

829
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: is a disaster, like where do I put everyone? And

830
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: then someone in the corporate world it might be like

831
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: where do I put these meetings? But if you have

832
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of wiggle room, I think that helps.

833
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: And I mean realistically people are going to get sick

834
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: every other month. That is something that I tend to track,

835
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: actually have that in the planner because I get into

836
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: this mode where I feel like we're sick all the time.

837
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: So I like to be able to look and be like, no, actually,

838
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: it's been like an illness in our family over other month, which,

839
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: as annoying as it is, is completely normal. But really

840
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: you should expect that it's going to happen. It should

841
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: not be a surprise and kind of building that in

842
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: the other thing is that man over the counter medicines

843
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: are are great. Highlight all an ibuprofen. I mean, make

844
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: sure you follow the directions on the package. Don't go

845
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: crazy because you're not medicines to be taken on a

846
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: chronic basis, but to get you through a day at work.

847
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they can be really, really helpful. So as

848
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: long as you don't have contra indications and you know,

849
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: I have to the disclaimers. Is not medical advice, take

850
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: that to your physician, but in my own personal experience,

851
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: they have made some working days bearable that otherwise would

852
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: have been very unpleasant. Yeah, no, that's I think sickness

853
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Speaker 1: is one of those known unknowns right, you don't know

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Speaker 1: exactly when it will happen, but you can be pretty

855
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: sure though, but it will totally. So build in space,

856
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: like you know, put your don't fill every minute of

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Speaker 1: a week, like if you are you know, if you

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Speaker 1: have every single minute scheduled with meetings, then when inevitably

859
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Speaker 1: something comes up, there's nowhere to put it. Whereas if

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00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: you have slack in your schedule, then all the stuff

861
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: can go into that time you built as open so

862
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Speaker 1: that it can happen. I mean, one thing I've seen

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Speaker 1: peopeople do is trying not to schedule anything on Friday,

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Speaker 1: for instance. It tends to be a lighter day anyway.

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Speaker 1: But that way, when something comes up earlier in the

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Speaker 1: week and you had to cut out early, or you know,

867
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Speaker 1: somebody you were trying to meet with they were sick,

868
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: you can reschedule that for Friday because you know you

869
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: have open space there. So yes, as well, also don't

870
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Speaker 1: have kids because they get you. Yes, this is one

871
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Speaker 1: of these things that people I think have not necessarily

872
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: built into their mental model of children. It's just how, yes,

873
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: build it in. They're going to be sick, They're going

874
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: to get you sick. You're all going to be sick.

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Speaker 1: It is a fact of life. I think, you know,

876
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Speaker 1: it was funny that someday maybe they'll be a like

877
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: as an adult. I don't believe I had vomited for

878
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: like years and then you know the first winter that

879
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: after Jasper was born, I had the stomach like twice. Yep. Yeah,

880
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: it's true. Young adults can go through a period where

881
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: they don't get like those viral like even like my

882
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: parents in their sixties, like they rarely get sick. And

883
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: then every time they visit they come, they're saying because

884
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: they're a little they're little vectors. It's what they do.

885
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: It's not their fault. Wash your hands. But that was

886
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: my love of the week a couple of weeks ago.

887
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Speaker 1: Or yeah, that's true, but it's purell is always a

888
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: good thing to love. Well, speaking of love of the week, Oh,

889
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: I haven't done one. I'm gonna have to think of

890
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: one while you say, so you go first? Well, uh

891
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: my my love of the week. Oh, I'm not sure.

892
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: I really think that the time tracking is pretty awesome.

893
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: I I do love having these records now of my

894
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: life that I can look back over, and even just

895
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: like Benny Hannah trip in July, Like I'm looking at this,

896
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, now I remember that, I remember what

897
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: happened during the trip, just from those few lines. Because

898
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: the funny thing about memory is something triggers it, and

899
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: it's all there. It's just you're not actively thinking about

900
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: it that you need a trigger to sort of pull

901
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: it back to the front of your mind. And what

902
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: triggers it, Like if you ever think about catching a

903
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: whiff of a certain scent, maybe it's a perfume new

904
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: war during a certain time of your life, Oh so powerful,

905
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: bring everything back so quickly, or a song you haven't

906
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: heard since like high school, and they'll be like, oh,

907
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, it brings back these memories. It's the same

908
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: thing with lines on a timeline, and and so it

909
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: triggers all these memories. And I think it's really cool

910
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: to have it so accessible like that. Cool. My love

911
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: of the week I just thought of it is room service.

912
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: Really I love rooms. So we're going this will air

913
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: after so I don't mind sharing. We're going to Disney

914
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: this weekend. My husband's finishing up a work trip and

915
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: we're going to go meet him there, and we've already

916
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: decided he got he's at a nice hotel because it's

917
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: part of a work trip, and we're like, oh yeah,

918
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: because we're driving up tonight Friday night, and on Saturday morning,

919
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna get room service. And I'm already like, oh,

920
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: that sounds so nice, Like I'll just be in bed

921
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: with Genevieve with the kids, will be watching cartoons, and

922
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: some nice lady's gonna bring me breakfast in coffee, and

923
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm already excited about that room service. So I don't know,

924
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: maybe you don't like it. I like it theory. I

925
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: just know that the practice is often it takes like

926
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: some ridiculous amount of time and then they've like had

927
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: you got to put that thing on your doing so

928
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: yeah the breakfast, Yeah, breakfast, I mean room service breakfast.

929
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't do other meals. Yeah, no. I Sometimes I've

930
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: been like late and I'm like, oh, I don't want

931
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: to go find the restaurant, and then it's like, you know,

932
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: it's like forty five minutes whereas it would have been

933
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Yeah, and then it probably had it cold

934
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: because it's just been sitting there. It's food, like they

935
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: can do breakfast food, like I want some like room

936
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: service OpenAL like I don't even care what it is.

937
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: I just like the idea that, like I can open

938
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: my eyes and I'll hear that little clinking. Oh. Like

939
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: so I always I always just go to the restaurant

940
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: now like not, I mean at night, you pull myself

941
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: down there and it's faster off under than being up there.

942
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: But I can totally see, yes, breakfast would be good.

943
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: So all right, here's to especially when you're stuck in

944
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: the room with three kids. All right, well, this is

945
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: awesome and best of those worlds. We've been talking time tracking,

946
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: so if you've been tracking your time, please let us know.

947
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear about it what you discovered. You

948
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: can always shoot me an email elevandercamat yahoo dot com

949
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: and tune in next week for more on making work

950
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find

951
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the

952
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura

953
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best

954
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for

955
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Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together.