Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. He's talking Cowboys training
Speaker 1: live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. It is day number fourteen of Cowboys
Speaker 1: Camp twenty eighteen. Nine practices down, seven padded practices down,
Speaker 1: Only seven more to go in this training camp. As
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said at the outset of camp, this thing
Speaker 1: goes fast, and you better make an impression. And some
Speaker 1: tried to make an impression yesterday a practice you saw
Speaker 1: live right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. It's also
Speaker 1: day number fourteen of the do not Disturb sign at
Speaker 1: the Room two twenty two of the Hotel Motel here
Speaker 1: in Oxnard. I've still gone fourteen days now without any
Speaker 1: housekeeping in my rooms? What so straight? I thought the
Speaker 1: same thing. I actually live now. Now I know where
Speaker 1: he is. I live twelve doors away from him. I
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact when we come in and been it
Speaker 1: and I come back to twenty two? Okay? Is that
Speaker 1: the old show show? Okay? I just gave up limat
Speaker 1: I was wondering, what doing I have visitors to know.
Speaker 1: I'm not about to go on a worldwide I might
Speaker 1: be by Bill, I might not be. But no, that
Speaker 1: I just can't believe that. Someone which is like, do
Speaker 1: you have clean sheets? I've got two beds? Yeah, just
Speaker 1: how often do you? How often do you wash yours?
Speaker 1: In college? I probably went like a whole semester with
Speaker 1: that college. Yeah, what about towels? I changed out the towels.
Speaker 1: There's housekeeping in the hall so you just go grab some.
Speaker 1: So you have a big pilot my towels, and I
Speaker 1: do have it my workout towels from the morning. He's
Speaker 1: got the small hand towels. He's yeah, oh I feel
Speaker 1: good today. The housekeeping right in the hallway. They're just
Speaker 1: grab some towns. What are you worried about? You haven't
Speaker 1: seen my room, So I don't have someone coming in
Speaker 1: my room and messing up my system. What you got
Speaker 1: a system on your bed? I've got a system on
Speaker 1: my clothes over here. The dirty clothes are over there.
Speaker 1: I don't have hangers. You ever seen monk You sound
Speaker 1: like that guy show Monk Man. It's the greatest luxury
Speaker 1: in the world. Nobody's coming in my room. He's so
Speaker 1: proud about that. Yeah, I got well, I actually only
Speaker 1: have two days left myself. Beau wouldn't know. We head
Speaker 1: up the road. I'm actually driving up the road, dude,
Speaker 1: A game on. I'm driving on Wednesday. So then when
Speaker 1: you check out, they're gonna come in and fumigate them.
Speaker 1: They will. It's not my problem, that's their problems. Okay,
Speaker 1: But I digress right on. And by the way, why
Speaker 1: are you driving because it's easier. I'm in on that.
Speaker 1: Just throw my stuff in my rental car. Boy, I
Speaker 1: haven't the rent a car. Now. Is that gonna spell
Speaker 1: good man and down by yourself road? Yep, I'm going
Speaker 1: have told me i'd have gone with you. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: there's a reason I didn't tell you. Yeah, maybe the
Speaker 1: best point can be made all day. You'll regret that
Speaker 1: about San Louis Obispo. I figured the team's find out lax, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I figure you're driving an hour and a half basically
Speaker 1: waiting for the plane to get loaded with you. I
Speaker 1: figure it's just about as quick driving five hours up
Speaker 1: the road as with you on this one traveling with
Speaker 1: the team. Yeah, all right, we had a blue white
Speaker 1: practice and twelve play scrimmage or they're about yesterday, and
Speaker 1: so maybe we should dive into that right off the top.
Speaker 1: One takeaway. Let's start with Mickey. I'll say what I
Speaker 1: said to you when we closed the show yesterday. I
Speaker 1: thought it was like kind of an even practice. There
Speaker 1: were times when the offense, I thought, excelled and made
Speaker 1: some nice plays and moved the football, and then there
Speaker 1: were times when the defense dominated. And I know what
Speaker 1: happens in those things that the turnovers always stick out.
Speaker 1: But to me, the Cowboys ran the ball well. Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott ran the ball well. He got in the end
Speaker 1: zone twice, but there was a couple other times where
Speaker 1: they were doing the little touch up silliness. They weren't
Speaker 1: going to tackle him, all right, He won't getting tackled
Speaker 1: at the five yard line by one guy. So I
Speaker 1: thought it was encouraging that they ran the ball well.
Speaker 1: And then, as I said, the defense made plays and
Speaker 1: some guys stood up, stood out. I thought, the young guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I you know. The thing is, Mickey, I think hit
Speaker 1: on what we needed to see from the varsity. The
Speaker 1: junior varsity looked like the junior varsity freshman team. The
Speaker 1: best quarterbacking on the field yesterday was Bill Jones sitting
Speaker 1: at this desk getting everybody organized. Because I didn't feel
Speaker 1: very good about what I saw with the young guys
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, they didn't protect well enough, they
Speaker 1: didn't read well enough. Guys didn't help each other. You know,
Speaker 1: I was disappointed in the overall the twelve place scrimmage.
Speaker 1: At the end, I was hopeful that the young guys,
Speaker 1: these coaches give them opportunity to go out, you know,
Speaker 1: in the blue periods and stuff during practice and perform.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't have been a surprise out there. It shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been that, you know. To me, I was watching
Speaker 1: Mike Wyat and it looked like he missed a corner blitz.
Speaker 1: It looked like the receiver on that side and missed
Speaker 1: a hot route. You know, these are things when you
Speaker 1: play San Francisco on Thursday night, you're gonna get hit
Speaker 1: in the back. Mike White, you better figure this out
Speaker 1: real fast. If you're gonna run hots, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna blitz pick up, if you're gonna swing backs out,
Speaker 1: you better get rid of the football. But I just thought,
Speaker 1: I thought overall, with the exception of Trey Williams running
Speaker 1: the football. Aggie, Yeah, I just felt like offensively, they
Speaker 1: were stuck in mud, you know, And I was expecting
Speaker 1: a little bit more out of those groups. I was
Speaker 1: expecting a little bit more of a competitive period, and
Speaker 1: it really wasn't that way. It looked like a lot
Speaker 1: of mistakes, a lot of errors, dropped snaps, interceptions. You know,
Speaker 1: give the defense some credit, but you know, they really
Speaker 1: didn't have to do very much against these quarterbacks. It
Speaker 1: was sloppy. That scrimmage portion was sloppy, no question about it.
Speaker 1: I did think Cooper Rush made some nice throws in practice.
Speaker 1: Davon Austin probably had the play of training camp, and
Speaker 1: I was in the two minute drill. Yeah, terrific, basically
Speaker 1: plucking the ball off of Various Ward's head helmet and
Speaker 1: he had a big day of the day before, big
Speaker 1: play by Tavon Austin at the Rush made a nice
Speaker 1: throw to Jarwin. I think he had a touchdown pass
Speaker 1: to Lance Lenore. He he was more into it, I
Speaker 1: think than we've seen in some other practices. Gamer we
Speaker 1: talk about yeah, I mean, hey, it was televised, right,
Speaker 1: so we predicted it here, right. Yeah, so that's that's
Speaker 1: encouraging for him going into this first preseason game where
Speaker 1: we would expect him to play a lot. Sure there
Speaker 1: were some mistakes offensively, but I give credit again to
Speaker 1: some of these dbs that are flying around and making plays.
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown with a terrific pick on Daku and you
Speaker 1: saw him working outside because you know, good news for Cheeto.
Speaker 1: He was out there doing a little something, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't in team. So we saw a little bit more
Speaker 1: from Anthony Brown and uh, these dbs with the varsity
Speaker 1: is Mickey said, you know, they're flying around and doing
Speaker 1: some things. Yeah. I think that the play that the
Speaker 1: interception that Dak through to Anthony Brown, great read on
Speaker 1: his part to see where Beasley was playing zone coverage,
Speaker 1: drops his zone and then drives on the football. But
Speaker 1: Dad did him a favor. Dad shouldn't had no business
Speaker 1: throwing that football just that way to that side of
Speaker 1: the field. You know, either you're not going to hit hit,
Speaker 1: act like you're taking the sack, or get rid of
Speaker 1: it throw it away, but just to fire the ball
Speaker 1: to the sideline in zone covery when you got a corner,
Speaker 1: that knows how to drive. That's that's a reckless play
Speaker 1: with the football, and he talked about he he can't
Speaker 1: have those plays. Okay, let me ask you this about
Speaker 1: the two minute drill. What have you seen out here,
Speaker 1: not just yesterday but throughout camp as far as the
Speaker 1: two minute offense goes, anything that sticks out from you,
Speaker 1: you know, I just to me, I mean, I get
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is I don't concern offensive lay
Speaker 1: as far as the way they're executing in the two
Speaker 1: minute offense. I think the thing that bothers me the
Speaker 1: most about the two minute offense is they're not making
Speaker 1: the plays down the field and then they're not making enough.
Speaker 1: We talked about the ball that did go to Austin.
Speaker 1: To Austin though it was a nice but we haven't
Speaker 1: seen much of that. The defense really has been kind
Speaker 1: of they've been checking the ball, checking the ball, and
Speaker 1: that's the other and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: get down in the red zone and what were it?
Speaker 1: You know, the the the the struggles that wasn't There
Speaker 1: was no struggles in the red zone yesterday. But we
Speaker 1: to that point, we've have seen them drive the football
Speaker 1: and then it turns into a Dan Bailey field goal,
Speaker 1: and we're kind of like, okay, oh, it's good. All right,
Speaker 1: So okay, let me ask you this this part of it,
Speaker 1: because okay, that was a two minute drill right where
Speaker 1: the situation was, I believe, let's say, on the Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown pick right, Okay, they're down four with two twenty
Speaker 1: eight to play, right, I got two timeouts left. That's
Speaker 1: the way the drill is set up. It's a situation. Okay.
Speaker 1: Is the defense playing a true two minute defense? Or
Speaker 1: are are they being more aggressive than what you might
Speaker 1: see in a game or what do you say? Not?
Speaker 1: Just yesterday the interception on the two minute was zon
Speaker 1: zone kind of was also fourth down? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's right, so he's taken a t but it was
Speaker 1: fourth Was it fourth? Well? Then that that was okay,
Speaker 1: fourth down? You take a shot down the field. That
Speaker 1: ball went directionally to the right and would have been
Speaker 1: way short of what they're of the down and distance
Speaker 1: to get. So to me, now that wasn't no way
Speaker 1: We're talking about the one on fourth down and the
Speaker 1: two minute drill was to Terrence Williams, the Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: was a was a first and fifteen Okay, Yeah, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but the one on the two minute drill, it was
Speaker 1: fourth down, he was rolling, he tried to throw on
Speaker 1: the run. Yeah, the ball got tipped up. But I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the Anthony Brown one. Yeah, okay, where he's jumping,
Speaker 1: where he jumps the route? Right? Are they playing more
Speaker 1: aggressively and are you getting a true read for what
Speaker 1: this offense would be doing in a two minute because
Speaker 1: the memory we all have a Tony Romo late in
Speaker 1: his career. Sure he was a master at the two minute,
Speaker 1: all right, but tricky lading the ball down the field. Whatever. Now,
Speaker 1: we cannot expect this offense right now to perform at
Speaker 1: that level in a two minute offense because they got
Speaker 1: so many new faces. They don't have the security blanket
Speaker 1: a witt and run. Bill, tell you what, I think
Speaker 1: you're being nice, but but but I'm just saying this
Speaker 1: early in camp, right, But we gotta start seeing. We
Speaker 1: gotta see that in preseason games before the regular season,
Speaker 1: and that I don't know if you will, right, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if there'll be enough. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: the maybe when we get back to Dallas and then
Speaker 1: we have you know, you have games where Prescott and
Speaker 1: these guys are playing more, you get a you know,
Speaker 1: you get a situation with that third game where they're
Speaker 1: playing in through the half. Well, but but sometimes they'll
Speaker 1: just go with you know, just fastball fastball that they call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you saying you have a need to go to
Speaker 1: receiver a two minute drill? There's well it's got to
Speaker 1: get open. Yeah, And at some point they've got to
Speaker 1: sort out what the roles are. And maybe it's not
Speaker 1: time yet. We're we're a week plus in a training
Speaker 1: camp and guys have been out too. But we had
Speaker 1: Steven Jones on the on the telecast and he said
Speaker 1: it's it's been tough on Dak or challenging in some
Speaker 1: ways because they you know, they've been trying to figure
Speaker 1: out who can do what that you know, that's been
Speaker 1: interchangeable with a lot of these guys see what they
Speaker 1: can do and then figure out what best roles there are.
Speaker 1: But you've had Deonte Thompson out, Burns has been out
Speaker 1: a couple of days, has missed some time, Nolan Browns
Speaker 1: as he practiced at all. Yeah, he's yesterday. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that I mean you got different guys at at
Speaker 1: a certain point during this preseason, they will settle on
Speaker 1: who their first team guys are and they'll get a
Speaker 1: lot of work. But I hope it's not they are
Speaker 1: who they are. That's what maybe I mean, Yeah, I would,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where I would worry a little bit about. No,
Speaker 1: this is where it's gonna be. I you know, someone
Speaker 1: asked me this morning on Twitter about, you know, will
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin be the go to guy? And I believe
Speaker 1: somebody on this panel, I'm sorry I can't remember who
Speaker 1: did it, but said this might turn into a thing
Speaker 1: where every week you have a different guy, or different
Speaker 1: two or three guys might have been you just said that.
Speaker 1: Dak actually said that, because it's just depended on what
Speaker 1: the defense gives you. Yeah, there week there might be
Speaker 1: guys that have great games one week and the next
Speaker 1: week we don't hear from them. But somebody else has
Speaker 1: to step up. This this committee approach that they're taking
Speaker 1: to it, that that might be what they they have
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, and you know, as long as that
Speaker 1: might be Okay, you had a stat in your column
Speaker 1: last week about the last time this franchise had four
Speaker 1: receivers with twenty catchers or more I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: barely happened. Yes, I mean only I went back the
Speaker 1: whole way and it's only happened three times. Could we
Speaker 1: see something like that? That's where they're headed right now,
Speaker 1: you know. And and then the tough part is if
Speaker 1: we eliminate Noah Brown because he was just kind of
Speaker 1: in there to block. I don't know how many snaps
Speaker 1: he got. But out of the dozen receivers, of thirteen receivers,
Speaker 1: there's only two guys that were here last year. Yeah, right, well,
Speaker 1: Heasily and Terrence Williams. Four were around if you count
Speaker 1: Lenora and North. Yeah, but he didn't play. Yeah, those guys.
Speaker 1: It's it's a vastly different group and it's not like
Speaker 1: they brought in a salty veteran. But I will say
Speaker 1: we have seen guys individually make plays out here. I
Speaker 1: mean Stephen was talking Gallup, We've talked about him. Hearns
Speaker 1: has looked good at times, and we've seen guys show
Speaker 1: they can play. Beasley's had a great camp, you know,
Speaker 1: But can you put it all together and find the
Speaker 1: right spots for everybody? And kind of getting back to
Speaker 1: what I said off the top, Jason Garrett said, but
Speaker 1: from the beginning of camp, he told the team, this
Speaker 1: thing goes fast. I mean twin camp starts, you look
Speaker 1: at the big picture and you think, oh, this is
Speaker 1: all We're gonna be here forever, you know. But now
Speaker 1: we're sitting here day fourteen, and then I look at
Speaker 1: the I wake up on a Monday morning and realize
Speaker 1: they only got seven more practices out here. And when
Speaker 1: when the games start, they get you know, you get
Speaker 1: a Thursday and say and then it starts. Yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: So at one point as a coaching staff, do they
Speaker 1: start toning in on Oh, I think I think we're
Speaker 1: to the point now where initially you saw that first
Speaker 1: week or so where they were coaching guys, not that
Speaker 1: they don't coach guys, but you know, the corrections become.
Speaker 1: If you're a guy that's not getting it, if you're
Speaker 1: a guy that's not performing, it turns into okay, if
Speaker 1: you got to worry as a player, if they if
Speaker 1: they stop talking to you, you know, because that means
Speaker 1: they're moving on to It's not it's not so much
Speaker 1: that that the younger guys are gonna get cut. No,
Speaker 1: they're here throughout camp, right, No cuts first or one
Speaker 1: but but they they're formulating that right about Saturday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that after the San Francisco game. Yeah, absolutely right, who
Speaker 1: you guys, I told you. I mean, I've sat in
Speaker 1: that chair mind or they're behind the scenes, they've cut,
Speaker 1: they're cutting the rocks. And if they're not and if
Speaker 1: you're not on, you know, they don't think they have
Speaker 1: well what they think they have, well, you know, and
Speaker 1: you talk about guys. Mickey brought this up. I think
Speaker 1: Mickey was one of the first ones to recognize Antoine Woods,
Speaker 1: you know, who have been the guys all of a sudden. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're one of those guys that's performing well, they'll
Speaker 1: throw you in the mix. They'll throw you in there
Speaker 1: to see if you can you know, like I always
Speaker 1: like to say, they'll throw you the deep end to
Speaker 1: see if you can swim. You know. That's where that's
Speaker 1: where it turns into, Like Saturday, it turns out, Okay,
Speaker 1: who am I gonna play in these Who am I
Speaker 1: gonna play in these preseason games? Because you're not gonna
Speaker 1: play guys hey aren't doing a good enough job and
Speaker 1: be don't know what they're doing. And that's a bad
Speaker 1: combination for a lot of guys for a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: You can't go out there and look as bad as
Speaker 1: some of those guys did in that scrimmage yesterday, you know.
Speaker 1: And if you play like that in San Francisco, you
Speaker 1: will not be with us here till Saturday. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, they keep, they keep you, they keep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're saying, as Will McClay and the guys, the
Speaker 1: scouts are all looking at their personnel board with all
Speaker 1: those tags with Jerry Jones you in your mind you
Speaker 1: start taking tags and putting them off the board and say, okay,
Speaker 1: what does our team look like this way? What does
Speaker 1: our team look like this way? You know? And and
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods good for you. You go from a tag
Speaker 1: down here to maybe a tag up there on the
Speaker 1: fifty three man board. That's that's some moves made around
Speaker 1: the league. Corey Coleman gets traded for former first round
Speaker 1: draft pick yesterday by Cleveland to Buffalo for a seventh round. See,
Speaker 1: this is where things start to happen. You evaluate your
Speaker 1: team the first week, going into the second week, you
Speaker 1: play a game, and now it's going to turn into okay,
Speaker 1: we can rely on this guy. We might need to
Speaker 1: go Hey, we got a game. We really liked that
Speaker 1: guy in Cincinnati. Let's go get that guy in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: or let's claim this guy off waivers right here. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna sit there and play with the same cats
Speaker 1: that aren't doing the job. You know. But the difficult
Speaker 1: part of that this year is there's no cuts, so
Speaker 1: you can't make any adjustments mid stream. You gotta wait
Speaker 1: to the weekend before you gotta put your fifty three.
Speaker 1: When you put your fifth, you could dump some guys
Speaker 1: at the buck, but if no one else dumps, anybody could.
Speaker 1: But usually the most action happens at the final cut
Speaker 1: right right, and this rule does away more likely there
Speaker 1: might be more trades with the With the rule change,
Speaker 1: I think with people, I think people are more willing
Speaker 1: now to say, okay, you're gonna I always say this.
Speaker 1: Look at the teams with new coaches. Look at the
Speaker 1: teams like the Raiders, the Chicago new GM up in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: What does he do he you know, he didn't pick
Speaker 1: that guy, he didn't pick Corey Coleman. He's probably thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, a seventh round pick, come on, bring him on.
Speaker 1: That's fine. But yeah, you gotta watch these teams. The
Speaker 1: good teams will say, we'll be able to identify who's
Speaker 1: not playing. Well, you keep talking about the number of
Speaker 1: practices we've had. They have a pretty good idea of
Speaker 1: who can he cannot play to this point. Now, maybe
Speaker 1: it changes when you get him in a preseason game
Speaker 1: and tries to change their mind a little bit. But
Speaker 1: who the gamers are like you saw, I mean you
Speaker 1: saw it when you mentioned Antoine Woods. You know that
Speaker 1: kind of put Jahad Warred on. Notice, It's like, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: he took some snaps with the second but he also
Speaker 1: took some snaps with the third. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: since the pads came on, he I don't know what
Speaker 1: he's done, but I guarantee you Marinelli wasn't going to
Speaker 1: sit around and wait when he sees a young guy
Speaker 1: playing the way Woods was playing. You know, the first
Speaker 1: two plays of the scrimmage, he was in the backfield
Speaker 1: making tackle. I'd like to think that he also gave
Speaker 1: a little extracurricular jab to the face of the Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl perennial Pro Bowl Center too. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: I talked to him afterwards. He was walked it off.
Speaker 1: He was talking about it. He goes yeah, I kind
Speaker 1: of get excited, and I said, but you're getting a
Speaker 1: chance to go out there and show what you can
Speaker 1: do suffistiness, and he told me, don't blink. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: afternoon at an afternoon practice today walk through coming up
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Brandon in Virginia. First up, I'm talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Hello Brandon, Hey guys, um, I know you're having a
Speaker 1: great day. Not gonna ask thank you. I have a
Speaker 1: comment and a question. As far as my comment, I
Speaker 1: really do appreciate you guys as a commentary during the
Speaker 1: scrimmash game. It's really helped get get things in the
Speaker 1: mood of we're back in football. And my question is,
Speaker 1: with how impressive he wasn't practiced yesterday, do you think
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys will alter their philosophy on tight ends
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Speaker 1: give Dak a reliable target And hang up and let
Speaker 1: you guys talk about it. All right? Thank you? Brandon
Speaker 1: con the match about him and he was my man
Speaker 1: of the match yesterday. And I'll tell you what the
Speaker 1: thing about it. The great thing about Rico Gathers is
Speaker 1: if he could play in the red zone where he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to go as far down the field, he
Speaker 1: could be a weapon. There's no question about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was the out and up move that he made
Speaker 1: to on a second touchdown was good. He did a
Speaker 1: nice job to separate into Dak rolls to his lap
Speaker 1: to buy some time. Rico Gathers smartly moves with him,
Speaker 1: buy some space, falls right there. So yeah, if Rico
Speaker 1: Gathers continues to make plays like that, he's gonna put
Speaker 1: himself in some consideration for the talk of Okay, do
Speaker 1: we keep three, do we keep four? Is he a third?
Speaker 1: Is he fourth? Maybe he pushes somebody out if they
Speaker 1: keep four tight ends. I think I think he's making progress.
Speaker 1: He's not like the tight ends that you have, but
Speaker 1: he is a reliable catcher of the football when you
Speaker 1: throw in his direction. You know what's interesting about Rico
Speaker 1: and his basketball background and of course the knock on
Speaker 1: him before he became Mcowboys he hadn't played football since
Speaker 1: the eighth grade. But when you think about it, a
Speaker 1: lot of that red zone stuff and the stuff that
Speaker 1: you're talking about and writing about for today on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com, him staying active on the scrambled. There
Speaker 1: are some basketball instincts in the red zone that comes
Speaker 1: to play on the football. To separate, how to clear,
Speaker 1: how to get your shot of all that stuff. Box
Speaker 1: out and box out. He uses post up on the
Speaker 1: goal line. He uses his body well to screen off
Speaker 1: the defense. And what we saw in the preseason games
Speaker 1: last year is he can go get a jump ball.
Speaker 1: He can go grab it. Basically, it's like grabbing a rebound,
Speaker 1: is what he told me last year. I mean so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean to some degree. Um. But the thing he
Speaker 1: keeps telling when I talk to him, it's blocking. He's
Speaker 1: got it. He's got a wock on that and become
Speaker 1: more of a complete player that way. They keep him
Speaker 1: on the backside. If you notice some of the stuff,
Speaker 1: and they get down in the red center when he
Speaker 1: has to block, they will run the ball away. When
Speaker 1: they go twelve personnel and say he's they'll usually run
Speaker 1: the ball to Swain side or two or to jar
Speaker 1: when when they're in a kind of a two in
Speaker 1: a two tight situation where they have an inline guy
Speaker 1: in a wing and to say they go with all
Speaker 1: three titans, that they will run the ball away just
Speaker 1: to try and give him a chance. But they but
Speaker 1: one of them yesterday. You know, generally the ball goes
Speaker 1: with one of his players. Yesterday, they got the ball
Speaker 1: on the outside with with Williams. Rico Gathers was at
Speaker 1: the point of attack, got his guy turned and walled
Speaker 1: off inside. That's a big body. If he could figure
Speaker 1: out the blocking part of it, like he even said,
Speaker 1: you know, then he's going to put himself in consideration
Speaker 1: for for a spot on this team. I think he's
Speaker 1: got his hand up in the air now that they
Speaker 1: he reminded him yesterday. Yeah. There, And now the difficulty
Speaker 1: part of it is you assume you're gonna keep three, yes,
Speaker 1: can you keep four? Yeah? And if you keep three,
Speaker 1: if he's one of the three, who you cutting see
Speaker 1: this is Swain was good yesterday and Shultz And that's
Speaker 1: and that's the kind of the crux of the problem
Speaker 1: that they have is that they do they say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we need to have four tight ends because we can't
Speaker 1: put Rico out or we can't put him on the street.
Speaker 1: We need the fourth guy. He might have to take
Speaker 1: away a spot from somebody on the defense. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: they're thinking about keeping an extra defensive end, you know,
Speaker 1: if one of those defensive ends, if they're thinking, I mean,
Speaker 1: we kind of think they're gonna keep nine defensive linemen,
Speaker 1: and it might be a situation where they only keep
Speaker 1: three tackles, thinking that maybe that they could put Crawford
Speaker 1: back inside or work somebody inside. So instead of maybe
Speaker 1: keeping nine defensive linemen, you only keep eight, you keep
Speaker 1: a four tight end. It's there. There's now becomes the
Speaker 1: chessboard of we're talking about Will McClay, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: of moving those tags around to make it work for
Speaker 1: your team. Maybe keep fewer offensive lineman. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many of these offensive linemen is. Somebody's gonna push
Speaker 1: him to keep nine. Yeah, I think they're only gonna
Speaker 1: keep eight myself. Now, Joe Looney has been really good.
Speaker 1: I don't think they missed a beat with Joe Looney playing. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know he's not Travis Drake, but they were. I
Speaker 1: mean when they ran the ball, Joe Looney, Martin, those
Speaker 1: guys were on the edge. They were they were getting
Speaker 1: to guys and stuff. I think Joe Looney, you watch
Speaker 1: him the one on one pass for one thing that's
Speaker 1: been Yeah, I've been impressed with Joe Looney's not just
Speaker 1: a jokester. Yeah, but he's kind of got that image
Speaker 1: right well kind of like yeah, but he could play
Speaker 1: he goes, but he goes against Antoine Woods, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's a battle in there, and he's holding up and
Speaker 1: Woods is kind of knocking him around, and he's knocking
Speaker 1: Woods around, so he hasn't It's you know, he looks
Speaker 1: better with the hands, with the feet, the mobility. It's
Speaker 1: like he's taking football seriously and it's like he's I
Speaker 1: think he's in better shape. Yeah, I think I agree
Speaker 1: with you. And I think when he hurt his wrists
Speaker 1: and they let him black the heavy did a lot
Speaker 1: of other stuff too to keep himself. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: keep two quarterbacks. Well that that's a thought too. We've
Speaker 1: also kicked around seven wide receivers. Maybe just don't do that,
Speaker 1: you keep six. Um, it will depend on the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: It will depend what they do in preseason games. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of juggling going on. You can
Speaker 1: figure you could figure that part of it out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if he continues to play, you know, and maybe you
Speaker 1: don't put him in situations where he's blocking. Now you
Speaker 1: hate to show your hand. It's like, oh, he's going
Speaker 1: out for a pass, been in two tight end situations.
Speaker 1: If he could just do a little bit of yeah,
Speaker 1: but it would be if he makes the team. I
Speaker 1: think it would be tough for him to get on
Speaker 1: the game day, don't you think week to week? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you're you're keeping special teams because Jarwin's on
Speaker 1: some of the coverage teams. All those guys are on
Speaker 1: some special teams. Yeah, you know Jarwin. If you watch it,
Speaker 1: you could see blue shirts, white shirts. Yeah, there's really
Speaker 1: two white shirts and two white shirts. The two tight
Speaker 1: ends that are you know that used to be the
Speaker 1: James Hannah role. You know, James Hannah was a blocker
Speaker 1: and then and then a core special teams guy. So
Speaker 1: Rico is he's making progress? I will say that he
Speaker 1: is making progress. He's never gonna he's never gonna beat
Speaker 1: you down the field with quickness or look pretty doing it.
Speaker 1: But if you throw the ball in his general direction,
Speaker 1: he will find a way to catch right One other note,
Speaker 1: en Rico, if he continues to play like he's playing
Speaker 1: right now, he's not a guy that you can get
Speaker 1: to the practice squad. Yeah, someone something like a Sandy
Speaker 1: a Chargers or somebody will. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: a guarantee, it's okay. I just throw it out there.
Speaker 1: Always Oh. You know, one of the things we always
Speaker 1: learned about these teams, they misevaluate their players. Sometimes you think, oh,
Speaker 1: there's no way this is gonna be a tough cut. No,
Speaker 1: players generally cut themselves. And then he shows up in
Speaker 1: preseason games like he did last year. Okay, okay, somebody
Speaker 1: might want to say we can develop this exactly. Who
Speaker 1: sit there and say, hey, that might be Antonio Gates
Speaker 1: right there. This is where evaluation comes in. This is
Speaker 1: where evaluation comes in. Right here. Who has a better
Speaker 1: chance of making it to a practice squad? Mike White
Speaker 1: or Rico Gathers. Rico gather I think, I think a
Speaker 1: quarterback you say, well, do in the preseason games. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if if what if Mike White's just okay, yeah, what
Speaker 1: if you think Mike White has a better chance of
Speaker 1: making the practice squad? Me too. As a scout, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you say, see, drafted quarterback, there's probably better. There's probably
Speaker 1: better scouting reports on Mike White. Somebody's sitting there right
Speaker 1: now looking at their team, going, you know, if Mike
Speaker 1: White was on the waiver wire, somebody's probably sitting there going,
Speaker 1: you know, we liked Mike White. We had a third
Speaker 1: round grade on him. Yeah, we didn't get to him. Wait,
Speaker 1: who's our backup quarters third quarterback? You know it's some
Speaker 1: guy from you know, Central Arkansas that we kind of like.
Speaker 1: But that that's see, that's where that's where. That's where
Speaker 1: personnel guys struggle because if you put a young quarterback
Speaker 1: out there, there's a better chance of losing a young
Speaker 1: quarterback then there is losing a tight end. Okay, so
Speaker 1: at this point, but I'm not I'm because it because
Speaker 1: it's a pre me in position. I'm waiting. But with you,
Speaker 1: but from what we've seen, can I go in the
Speaker 1: draft next year and get another mic White? Oh? Sure
Speaker 1: you probably could. It isn't it a little early? Are we? No?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I would like to get him on
Speaker 1: the practice, saying this about Cooper Rush last, let's get
Speaker 1: in the games to see what the kid does. Did
Speaker 1: y'all see RG three The other night? I was watching
Speaker 1: What was I watching? I was watching something? I was
Speaker 1: watching Johnny man tonight? Yeah, No, Johnny Manziel was Friday night?
Speaker 1: Was he? I thought I watched the replay while I
Speaker 1: was working out yesterday boarding. I heread he had a
Speaker 1: good drive to start the game. I thought he looked great. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: he was accurate with his passes, a quick release moving around.
Speaker 1: Still yeah, wait, is this the same game or is
Speaker 1: this a different game? We're talking about RG three RG three. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm on the Johnny No no, no, no no, no three. Okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, did I heard something different about? What's
Speaker 1: interesting there is the Ravens are sitting there with Flacco,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and RG three, right, okay, And so they're
Speaker 1: sitting there with three quarterbacks, with two of them with
Speaker 1: Heisman trophies. And if they let RG three go um
Speaker 1: with this team, ponder that at all, there's a backup
Speaker 1: rush as a third or a second without of course,
Speaker 1: if he shows see that, if he shows anything, if
Speaker 1: he continues to show like he did on that drive
Speaker 1: that I watched him the other day, he's gonna ask you.
Speaker 1: He's gonna ask you why then, And I just answered that,
Speaker 1: I mean he beat me to the Yeah. See, he's
Speaker 1: gonna say, Well, Nicky's argument is, well, if he's playing well,
Speaker 1: why would they release him? Right, That's what he would say, right, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But but if he's playing bad quarterback? But if RG
Speaker 1: three is bad. Micky's argument, why would you want to
Speaker 1: pick him up? Because what the Ravens obviously got rid
Speaker 1: of it? Right? Right exactly? Sounds like common sense to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's use that same logic on Mike White. See Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Cowboys data backup quarterback. They draft at this guy, right,
Speaker 1: and if they're gonna let him go, why would anyone
Speaker 1: pick him up? It just depends on how much patient
Speaker 1: this guy is. Go ahead, Rob, I'm sorry, I just
Speaker 1: think I mean, we're we're what a week, a week
Speaker 1: and a half, We're just doing a show, Rob, We're
Speaker 1: doing a show. I know, I'm just not This is
Speaker 1: my opinion. I'm not ready to cut No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know eybody is. I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: one of those things we're trying to figure out. Should
Speaker 1: we were trying to if we were trying to rob
Speaker 1: a position to that, because I think they're gonna go
Speaker 1: with three tight ends. I have said this, and I've
Speaker 1: argued with Dave on this in the training table at
Speaker 1: lunch and stuff like, you don't have to keep three quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do it. It's a luxury um.
Speaker 1: But you didn't invest a draft pick in him. Sure,
Speaker 1: let's let's see what he can do. But there are
Speaker 1: other ways. If you want to get Rico Gathers on
Speaker 1: this roster, there's other ways to do it. You can
Speaker 1: go light at receiver, you can go light at running back,
Speaker 1: you can go light on the offensive line, go anywhere
Speaker 1: you're going five receivers. Oh, well, I guess in light.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's not go heavy at receiver. Let's if
Speaker 1: you want to keep sick a set of seven you
Speaker 1: take away, you have to have Ola Wally here. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a special teams guy for
Speaker 1: a Quinn. Okay, in addition to how many how many
Speaker 1: defensive in do you want? Mm? As many as you
Speaker 1: can get to the quarterback? What if all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: have you had enough of I mean, is it is
Speaker 1: it gonna be? Is it gonna be Lawrence Crawford? It
Speaker 1: sounds like it's a are It sounds like they're gonna
Speaker 1: Gregory Gregory, and who's your fourth armstrong? Yeah? Fourth round pick? Okay,
Speaker 1: Tapper Sets saying, though it's a fourth round pick. Sets,
Speaker 1: U'm saying, though, I mean you you could, you could
Speaker 1: very well. I mean, I think they're gonna try and
Speaker 1: keep five of those guys. I think so too. I
Speaker 1: think you could try and keep trust the Gregory situation.
Speaker 1: But can you trust Tapper? Yeah? Yeah, See that's where
Speaker 1: you're running into if you think that it's okay, it's
Speaker 1: Rico gaust them, okay, Trusty, staying health, staying healthy. Rico
Speaker 1: gathers over. This is fun. I love doing this. Rico
Speaker 1: gathers over over the defensive ends that I was talking about,
Speaker 1: Gregory and Tapper rank them? How would you how would
Speaker 1: you rank those three players as far as needy first,
Speaker 1: I'm Gregory, yeah, for sure. And I would probably keep
Speaker 1: Tapper over Rico at this point for sure. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and one of the one of the reasons, one of
Speaker 1: the reasons you have to keep the extra defensive end
Speaker 1: is because you don't know for sure if Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: is going to be eligible to play all year, and
Speaker 1: if he played well, he's done. And you know he's
Speaker 1: a guy that you that's what happens. He's made his
Speaker 1: own bed. If one strike away from you never know
Speaker 1: when you gotta move Crawford inside anything, I'm asking it.
Speaker 1: I think that to me, I think that I would
Speaker 1: go with the defensive ends myself. Yeah. But the thing
Speaker 1: about it is, okay, how about safety you're gonna play?
Speaker 1: You want all four safety? That's another spot. Could you
Speaker 1: go lighter in the second area since you got Byron
Speaker 1: Jones that could play, could you go lighter there because
Speaker 1: of versatili? First off, you go nine? First off, tell
Speaker 1: me who the fourth safety is? Well, right now it's Hugh.
Speaker 1: It's tough, right, yeah, but actually this Robinson kid has
Speaker 1: played pretty well the last couple of days. But right
Speaker 1: now it's tough, right, So weston h question, Huff, can
Speaker 1: you go? Can you go six corners and three safeties?
Speaker 1: You've got corners who can play safety? Yeah, you're right right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that the way we do it where they usually
Speaker 1: keep ten dbs? You could? I mean you could just
Speaker 1: kind of like the old scene. And you guys understand
Speaker 1: the point you're gonna have to rob a position or
Speaker 1: one guy. Well, you're gonna have to determine. And it
Speaker 1: sounds like you don't want to. It sounds like you
Speaker 1: don't want a quarterback. Yeah, quarterback is where I'm robbing?
Speaker 1: Are you robbing right now? Right now? Now, we'll see
Speaker 1: guy and I'm a guy that thinks Mike White could
Speaker 1: be a starter. Yeah, no, no, I'm just I'm with
Speaker 1: the Mike White train. I'm on the Mike. This is
Speaker 1: Monday before the first priest and out with you. We're
Speaker 1: going based on what we've seen so far, and yesterday
Speaker 1: wasn't good. So I'm with you there. I'm with you there,
Speaker 1: and I'm not based it on yesterday. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't seen you. Yeah, if you if
Speaker 1: you look at it that way, that's why they played
Speaker 1: the preseason game. Tony Romo would have never been here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's as awful as a rookie. He was awful as
Speaker 1: a second year. Remember that first preseason game at Arizona. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was the one in Oakland with Parcels,
Speaker 1: the one where he'd be dove in on fours. Well,
Speaker 1: that gave him the first preseason game in Arizona. He
Speaker 1: came in late through some jump ball, picked off I
Speaker 1: think Parcels. He said. Parcels met him at like midfield
Speaker 1: to yell at him until you're not gonna you know.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't the worst part. The worst part was
Speaker 1: watching him practice and he was so inaccurate Mickey's right.
Speaker 1: I used to just stand out there and watch him play.
Speaker 1: And here's a story for you. I remember being at
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Speaker 1: a south Lake Carol High School practice in south Lake
Speaker 1: Carol better than the Cowboys. Carol's quarterbacks were. They had
Speaker 1: four of them, Chase dani senior, Greg McElroy was the junior.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe Riley Dodge is a software And then
Speaker 1: they had a freshman too who played d one Um.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there watching just throw fade routes the
Speaker 1: corner of the end zone. I said, these high school
Speaker 1: quarterbacks throw better than the Cowboy quarterbacks. Trust me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay, all right,
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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. Hello Brandon, Hello guys, how are you doing good? Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm just here to make my case that Rico gathers
Speaker 1: maybe the best tight end on the on the tank. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We we had two guys here last year that I
Speaker 1: can't remember what well what they did, and we drafted
Speaker 1: as guy um in the fourth round. I believe. Now,
Speaker 1: you guys say, um uh the jarring, he's a he's
Speaker 1: a good he runs. He looks like a white white
Speaker 1: receiver in the tight ends. But yes, that's pretty much
Speaker 1: the girl. The best thing I've heard about him so far.
Speaker 1: And I slam I really, don't you know, I don't really,
Speaker 1: I really haven't say anything he does. He's done good
Speaker 1: so far. But Rico Gather seems like every time we
Speaker 1: saw the guy in the ball, he catches it. Now,
Speaker 1: you guys say he's not the greatest route runner. He
Speaker 1: looks lumbering. Yeah, and he hasn't played on the on
Speaker 1: a on a on a on the football fields things.
Speaker 1: He was like thirteen. But the other guys have had
Speaker 1: college experience, and sure nothing had song for it. So
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to see, you know, but where do
Speaker 1: you guys realistic? Let's see him I see makes the
Speaker 1: forty six, that's my question. Now I lives, thank you,
Speaker 1: He's got him on the roster. Randon's got him on
Speaker 1: the He talked about it for fifteen minutes. Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Look sometimes people jump out and I say this about
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin QB. One loves what he brings to the table.
Speaker 1: And he didn't mention him by name yesterday, but he
Speaker 1: talked about the tight ends. He likes what they bring.
Speaker 1: But he talked about ones being able to run down
Speaker 1: the field and separate and make plays. That's a number
Speaker 1: eighty nine. That's Blake Jarwin's we've seen that in camp.
Speaker 1: He doesn't. I think swayin right now is probably your
Speaker 1: most complete tight end. He's been solid, but Jarwin gives
Speaker 1: you a dimension that they can use in the offense
Speaker 1: this year. I think the good thing for Ricos we're
Speaker 1: actually talking about him. You know, before he might have
Speaker 1: been a little bit more of an afterthought that they're
Speaker 1: only gonna keep three. This is the way they're gonna
Speaker 1: do it. It's they're gonna keep Schultz, They're gonna keep Sway,
Speaker 1: They're gonna keep at least he's put himself in the
Speaker 1: conversation where for twelve minutes or so we had to
Speaker 1: figure out would we rather have him or a safety?
Speaker 1: Would rather have him or a defensive end? Would we
Speaker 1: rather have him or a quarterback? I think that itself
Speaker 1: is if if things take care of themselves, Rico Gathers
Speaker 1: is a guy that is in fact making some plays
Speaker 1: when the ball has thrown his direction. Is that good
Speaker 1: enough for these guys to carry a forward tight end?
Speaker 1: We'll see that would be that that would be how
Speaker 1: this thing plays out when we get to the fifty three.
Speaker 1: But if he continues to make progress, he's going to
Speaker 1: be a consideration. He will be considered now. He's also
Speaker 1: running into a situation no where there's and maybe this
Speaker 1: is going to help him. The fact that some coaches
Speaker 1: that probably had that excuse me not probably coaches that
Speaker 1: had problems with him are no longer here. No, he's no.
Speaker 1: I mean those guys are now gone. He's got a
Speaker 1: fresh set of coaches. You know, they got some they
Speaker 1: got some fresh, new, fresh opinion. And sometimes if you're
Speaker 1: a guy that's having struggles, if you're having struggles and
Speaker 1: with one coaching staff and then they change the coaching staff,
Speaker 1: and you get a clean sheet of paper to go
Speaker 1: out here and try and do a little bit better.
Speaker 1: Forty six he's in a nass about the fifty three
Speaker 1: straight to well, he's trying to get him. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he's yeah. If you're if you put him on the
Speaker 1: fifty three, you're trying to get him to the forty six.
Speaker 1: And he plays special teams? Is there anything they can
Speaker 1: do the game the way it is now? On the kickoff,
Speaker 1: the kickoff return, the punt. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: where he other than maybe field goal team. You know,
Speaker 1: the rules change, the type of player you need yeah,
Speaker 1: I think watch, yeah, watching, watch, he's covering these kicks,
Speaker 1: master guys. Watch, he's blocking these guys. Can It's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be quick Man on quick Man game. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You need more safeties, you need more linebackers, you need cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: There'll be a lot of cornerbacks out there playing because
Speaker 1: they're gonna match up blocker for blocker there and that's
Speaker 1: where I you know, Rico Gathers might be a little
Speaker 1: bit of a because he and he mentioned it. He
Speaker 1: is a lumbering player. We see that with our own eyes.
Speaker 1: Spiking of cornerbacks, hidobeg who is that is how he
Speaker 1: wants his He would like his name pronounced, but he's
Speaker 1: fine going however you want to go with it that
Speaker 1: I asked him specifically in there. It's so it's awkward
Speaker 1: though to say it anyway, all right, How concerned are
Speaker 1: you with his injury issue? Jason Garrett says, it's not
Speaker 1: anything serious, But you know he did he was already
Speaker 1: yesterday than I thought he would do. How important is
Speaker 1: he to Oh, I think he's the guy. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got to be back there. You need him and Byron
Speaker 1: Jones and whoever's going to play that nickel. You need
Speaker 1: them to be on the game and uh, yeah him.
Speaker 1: You know, you just have to trust what the head
Speaker 1: coach is telling us in those those press conferences, because
Speaker 1: trust me, we have people from the medical side that
Speaker 1: listen to these shows. So you got to be careful
Speaker 1: how you say things about that. But so as long
Speaker 1: as he's as long as we're getting information him there
Speaker 1: that everything's okay, we have to trust that. I didn't
Speaker 1: think he'd dressed yesterday. I didn't either, but because he
Speaker 1: wasn't in team in the walkthrough, but he was out
Speaker 1: there with a sleeve on his knee, and I think
Speaker 1: he did some individual stuff he did. Yeah, and when
Speaker 1: they did kind of the dressed walked through before the
Speaker 1: practice actually started, he was out there. So this is
Speaker 1: stuff we couldn't see because we were watching the TV
Speaker 1: monitor all the time. We were first at the top
Speaker 1: of the stands that was right next to him sideline
Speaker 1: and Rob was right there fifty yard line. Ye. Hey,
Speaker 1: we've got we've got Dave in Marshall, Texas next up
Speaker 1: here on Talking Cowboys. Hello Dave, good morning, jentle, enjoy
Speaker 1: your chef. Thank you. Well, I'm curious about this vander
Speaker 1: ash is wearing some kind of brice on neck. I
Speaker 1: know this yesterday at the scrimmage, and I was wondering
Speaker 1: whether they indicated some kind of ongoing problem. And the
Speaker 1: other question I had was have we heard anything about
Speaker 1: David Irvin. I'll take the last one. No, I mean
Speaker 1: we haven't. Right, he's got he's a four game suspension
Speaker 1: to start the season. There's been no update, and we
Speaker 1: don't we didn't expect any update. And in the Oxnard
Speaker 1: portion of training camp, right, Erry Jones indicated h right
Speaker 1: off the bat this training camp that he did not
Speaker 1: expect him to be here in Oxnard at all, and
Speaker 1: we shall see whether he shows up in Fresco went
Speaker 1: for the open practices once they get back home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the vanders had had there was some concern coming out.
Speaker 1: It's part of his pads. That's just an extension of
Speaker 1: his pad to keep his head. It's almost like in
Speaker 1: NASCAR they have a device called the Hans Device that
Speaker 1: keeps your head and kind of keeps your also part
Speaker 1: of his past, Yeah, exactly, that's what That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was getting to that point coming out of the draft.
Speaker 1: There were some questions about his neck, and some teams
Speaker 1: were very cautious about him as a player. That Cowboys
Speaker 1: doctor's staff they felt like though that was not going
Speaker 1: to be an issue. But that's just part of the
Speaker 1: equipment that's to his pads. It's nothing else that he
Speaker 1: played with that that brace on his pads while he
Speaker 1: was in Boise as well. So that's why he's a
Speaker 1: middle linebacker exactly. Yep, all the middle linebacker where Bryan
Speaker 1: Cox yea makes you look more vicious. Yeah, Matt Millen
Speaker 1: used to wear the old Actually, you know what I thought.
Speaker 1: I thought he had a good day yesterday. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't see because we see what we and what
Speaker 1: everybody sees as what happens in the passing game. In
Speaker 1: the running game, he was filling the really well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was chasing the ball down really well in
Speaker 1: the running game. And that's that's a tough part of
Speaker 1: making that transition there. Jalen Smith. The other day, we
Speaker 1: saw him stride for stride with Cole Beasley going down
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. How about that was old
Speaker 1: school cover two. That was your Tampa two right there.
Speaker 1: When you say, Mike linebacker, you've gotten from seven yards
Speaker 1: off the ball all the way between the two hash marks,
Speaker 1: and I was Cole Beasley was running at a good
Speaker 1: clip there, you know that was it wasn't like Cole Beasley.
Speaker 1: People were going, well, was something wrong with Cole Beasley?
Speaker 1: Now Cole was running. It's just what you saw with
Speaker 1: which Allen was. He had a good read. He knew
Speaker 1: he had to be in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: He saw what was happening from the slot. The ball
Speaker 1: went to the route went through the middle. He turned,
Speaker 1: he took off for a spot and he was able
Speaker 1: to catch up with Cole and then turn around to
Speaker 1: find the ball to help to help knock it away.
Speaker 1: So good for him and playing some old school Tampa
Speaker 1: two football of him having to take the middle of
Speaker 1: that zone defense. The defense as dominant as they were
Speaker 1: in the two minute drill yesterday, they were bad in
Speaker 1: the red zone. Though. They were bad in the red zone.
Speaker 1: And you know, I see the reports how the defense
Speaker 1: is dominated and so forth. They were bad in the
Speaker 1: red zone. But if you look at yesterday's practice and
Speaker 1: which you can on Dalla right here on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot com, the offense looked really good in the redis
Speaker 1: absolutely it's one of those things where when the offense
Speaker 1: looks good, what's wrong with the defense? Yeah, Gared Is
Speaker 1: spoken of that if you turn on the tape at
Speaker 1: night in the film room with the team and it's
Speaker 1: all one side, and you got a problem on one
Speaker 1: side of your football team, and that's you kind of
Speaker 1: want to see it fifty fifty And that's kind of
Speaker 1: what we saw yesterday. Um, I thought Zeke, we saw
Speaker 1: Zeke as a receiver leaking out for a touchdown there
Speaker 1: in the red zone, that maybe that's something he can
Speaker 1: do for them that we haven't talked that much about.
Speaker 1: I don't think, um there were some positive signs from
Speaker 1: the offense, But to your point, build the last previous
Speaker 1: couple of practices in those situations. A lot of incompletions,
Speaker 1: I got. This is changing subjects totally. Okay. I was
Speaker 1: just thinking about this this morning. When do you think
Speaker 1: will be the and this is the Ring of Honor
Speaker 1: right coming off the Hall of Fame ceremony and so forth,
Speaker 1: when do you think will be we'll have the next
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor induction. We usually know about our last
Speaker 1: four minutes shifts this year. We usually by now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's usually around this time of when they will make
Speaker 1: an announcement if there's gonna be something this season, if yeah,
Speaker 1: I had I had two guys in mind, I'm pulling for.
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for Harvey Martin. I really am. I don't
Speaker 1: always I don't know necessary if Harvey Martin will get in,
Speaker 1: I think, you know what, at the same time, I
Speaker 1: pull for Harvey Martin, I pull for two tall Jones, Yes,
Speaker 1: And I've always thought that you put Harvey and too
Speaker 1: tall in at the same time. I've just my experience
Speaker 1: of being a twenty year season ticket holder for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys that Harvey Martin was such a great part of
Speaker 1: my life, but also gil Brant was a big part
Speaker 1: of my life too, And I think we're probably closer
Speaker 1: to gil Brandt getting in if tex s Ram is in.
Speaker 1: And I respect what tex Stram has done for the
Speaker 1: He's one of the pillars of the National Football League.
Speaker 1: But you have to look at the run that gil
Speaker 1: Brant had, and I would hope that gil Brant would
Speaker 1: even get Hall of Fame consideration to be they're putting
Speaker 1: guys like pulling in Bethrono beethd Yeah, George Young, absolutely,
Speaker 1: gil Brandt deserves to go in without I think he's next. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't forget about the previous generations, right because people
Speaker 1: might immediately say, well, Jason Witten just retired DeMarcus Ware.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. That's the problem we run into is
Speaker 1: the fact that there was this team was really good
Speaker 1: before nineteen eighty nine. If you if you go back
Speaker 1: from from nineteen sixty to nineteen eighty nine, they had
Speaker 1: some I get reminded every day when I walked through
Speaker 1: the Star of all the records that are on the
Speaker 1: wall of good football teams. I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: great Super Bowl winning teams and stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: just and I think the Jones family, for the most part,
Speaker 1: has done a nice job of not forgetting the past.
Speaker 1: They appreciate what this history of business team. But I
Speaker 1: wish we had a couple more guys from that era
Speaker 1: that could be brought forward to the especially since Gills
Speaker 1: getting up in eight. Yeah, i'd like to see that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he's still sharp to talk to, you know, still
Speaker 1: does his work, still does scouting stuff, and he has
Speaker 1: his hands in a lot of different things. And but
Speaker 1: I would like to see him get in before uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he moves and just think, oh, he's done
Speaker 1: for the NFL after he su Cowboys. You know that
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, I'm not sure why they're dragging
Speaker 1: their feet on this one. Yeah, surely they're not waiting
Speaker 1: on him to get in the Ring of Honor first.
Speaker 1: Well that this should have no, it should be a requisite. Otherwise.
Speaker 1: If that's the reason, then when he gets inducted, he
Speaker 1: should have his own ceremony. Maybe next year. Maybe this
Speaker 1: time next year, we will have just went right by everybody.
Speaker 1: Oh what was it again? I'm sorry. I said maybe
Speaker 1: if he ever gets inducted, then he should have his
Speaker 1: own ceremony. Yeah, I don't focus on that singer. You
Speaker 1: know what though in our last thirty seconds of the show,
Speaker 1: the more that I think about that, let to do
Speaker 1: his own thing. I don't care. That's what I say.
Speaker 1: He's always kind of been and as long as he's not.
Speaker 1: Everybody saying that the Hall of Fame might they're they're
Speaker 1: thinking about having a clause that that's a head of
Speaker 1: ahead of time. You have to commit to being at
Speaker 1: the ceremony before you can get voted in. I'm set.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculously no one else will do that, right. But
Speaker 1: even if they did it, you know, if he watched
Speaker 1: the Gold the Hall of Fame ceremony will go on
Speaker 1: if someone doesn't show up. If he watched it ceremony,
Speaker 1: he'll sit there and go. I made a big I
Speaker 1: don't think he cares. I don't think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think I think you're right, But I don't think he cares.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't want to go, the party makes sense.
Speaker 1: Party will go on without. He's lucky to have that
Speaker 1: jacket on Saturday because he had a friend drive it
Speaker 1: to him. They were gonna mail it. All right. That's
Speaker 1: Mickey's a quarter minute. As we wrap up Talking help
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