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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. He's talking Cowboys training

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Speaker 1: live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star

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Speaker 1: in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. It is day number fourteen of Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Camp twenty eighteen. Nine practices down, seven padded practices down,

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Speaker 1: Only seven more to go in this training camp. As

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said at the outset of camp, this thing

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Speaker 1: goes fast, and you better make an impression. And some

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Speaker 1: tried to make an impression yesterday a practice you saw

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Speaker 1: live right here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. It's also

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Speaker 1: day number fourteen of the do not Disturb sign at

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Speaker 1: the Room two twenty two of the Hotel Motel here

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Speaker 1: in Oxnard. I've still gone fourteen days now without any

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Speaker 1: housekeeping in my rooms? What so straight? I thought the

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Speaker 1: same thing. I actually live now. Now I know where

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Speaker 1: he is. I live twelve doors away from him. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the fact when we come in and been it

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Speaker 1: and I come back to twenty two? Okay? Is that

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Speaker 1: the old show show? Okay? I just gave up limat

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, what doing I have visitors to know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not about to go on a worldwide I might

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Speaker 1: be by Bill, I might not be. But no, that

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Speaker 1: I just can't believe that. Someone which is like, do

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Speaker 1: you have clean sheets? I've got two beds? Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: how often do you? How often do you wash yours?

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Speaker 1: In college? I probably went like a whole semester with

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Speaker 1: that college. Yeah, what about towels? I changed out the towels.

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Speaker 1: There's housekeeping in the hall so you just go grab some.

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Speaker 1: So you have a big pilot my towels, and I

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Speaker 1: do have it my workout towels from the morning. He's

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Speaker 1: got the small hand towels. He's yeah, oh I feel

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Speaker 1: good today. The housekeeping right in the hallway. They're just

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Speaker 1: grab some towns. What are you worried about? You haven't

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Speaker 1: seen my room, So I don't have someone coming in

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Speaker 1: my room and messing up my system. What you got

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Speaker 1: a system on your bed? I've got a system on

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Speaker 1: my clothes over here. The dirty clothes are over there.

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Speaker 1: I don't have hangers. You ever seen monk You sound

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Speaker 1: like that guy show Monk Man. It's the greatest luxury

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Speaker 1: in the world. Nobody's coming in my room. He's so

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Speaker 1: proud about that. Yeah, I got well, I actually only

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Speaker 1: have two days left myself. Beau wouldn't know. We head

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Speaker 1: up the road. I'm actually driving up the road, dude,

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Speaker 1: A game on. I'm driving on Wednesday. So then when

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Speaker 1: you check out, they're gonna come in and fumigate them.

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Speaker 1: They will. It's not my problem, that's their problems. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But I digress right on. And by the way, why

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Speaker 1: are you driving because it's easier. I'm in on that.

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Speaker 1: Just throw my stuff in my rental car. Boy, I

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Speaker 1: haven't the rent a car. Now. Is that gonna spell

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Speaker 1: good man and down by yourself road? Yep, I'm going

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Speaker 1: have told me i'd have gone with you. Well, maybe

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Speaker 1: there's a reason I didn't tell you. Yeah, maybe the

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Speaker 1: best point can be made all day. You'll regret that

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Speaker 1: about San Louis Obispo. I figured the team's find out lax, right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I figure you're driving an hour and a half basically

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Speaker 1: waiting for the plane to get loaded with you. I

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Speaker 1: figure it's just about as quick driving five hours up

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Speaker 1: the road as with you on this one traveling with

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Speaker 1: the team. Yeah, all right, we had a blue white

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Speaker 1: practice and twelve play scrimmage or they're about yesterday, and

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Speaker 1: so maybe we should dive into that right off the top.

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Speaker 1: One takeaway. Let's start with Mickey. I'll say what I

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Speaker 1: said to you when we closed the show yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was like kind of an even practice. There

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Speaker 1: were times when the offense, I thought, excelled and made

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Speaker 1: some nice plays and moved the football, and then there

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Speaker 1: were times when the defense dominated. And I know what

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Speaker 1: happens in those things that the turnovers always stick out.

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Speaker 1: But to me, the Cowboys ran the ball well. Ezekiel

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Speaker 1: Elliott ran the ball well. He got in the end

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Speaker 1: zone twice, but there was a couple other times where

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Speaker 1: they were doing the little touch up silliness. They weren't

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Speaker 1: going to tackle him, all right, He won't getting tackled

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Speaker 1: thought it was encouraging that they ran the ball well.

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Speaker 1: And then, as I said, the defense made plays and

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Speaker 1: some guys stood up, stood out. I thought, the young guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I you know. The thing is, Mickey, I think hit

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Speaker 1: junior varsity looked like the junior varsity freshman team. The

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Speaker 1: best quarterbacking on the field yesterday was Bill Jones sitting

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Speaker 1: at this desk getting everybody organized. Because I didn't feel

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Speaker 1: I was disappointed in the overall the twelve place scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: At the end, I was hopeful that the young guys,

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Speaker 1: these coaches give them opportunity to go out, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the blue periods and stuff during practice and perform.

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Speaker 1: It shouldn't have been a surprise out there. It shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been that, you know. To me, I was watching

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Speaker 1: Mike Wyat and it looked like he missed a corner blitz.

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Speaker 1: It looked like the receiver on that side and missed

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Speaker 1: a hot route. You know, these are things when you

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Speaker 1: play San Francisco on Thursday night, you're gonna get hit

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Speaker 1: in the back. Mike White, you better figure this out

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Speaker 1: real fast. If you're gonna run hots, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna blitz pick up, if you're gonna swing backs out,

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Speaker 1: you better get rid of the football. But I just thought,

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Speaker 1: I thought overall, with the exception of Trey Williams running

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Speaker 1: the football. Aggie, Yeah, I just felt like offensively, they

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Speaker 1: were stuck in mud, you know, And I was expecting

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Speaker 1: expecting a little bit more of a competitive period, and

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Speaker 1: it really wasn't that way. It looked like a lot

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Speaker 1: of mistakes, a lot of errors, dropped snaps, interceptions. You know,

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Speaker 1: give the defense some credit, but you know, they really

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Speaker 1: didn't have to do very much against these quarterbacks. It

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Speaker 1: was sloppy. That scrimmage portion was sloppy, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: I did think Cooper Rush made some nice throws in practice.

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Speaker 1: Davon Austin probably had the play of training camp, and

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Speaker 1: I was in the two minute drill. Yeah, terrific, basically

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Speaker 1: plucking the ball off of Various Ward's head helmet and

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Speaker 1: he had a big day of the day before, big

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Speaker 1: play by Tavon Austin at the Rush made a nice

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Speaker 1: to Lance Lenore. He he was more into it, I

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Speaker 1: think than we've seen in some other practices. Gamer we

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Speaker 1: talk about yeah, I mean, hey, it was televised, right,

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Speaker 1: so we predicted it here, right. Yeah, so that's that's

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Speaker 1: encouraging for him going into this first preseason game where

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Speaker 1: we would expect him to play a lot. Sure there

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Speaker 1: were some mistakes offensively, but I give credit again to

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Speaker 1: some of these dbs that are flying around and making plays.

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Speaker 1: saw him working outside because you know, good news for Cheeto.

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Speaker 1: He was out there doing a little something, but he

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Speaker 1: wasn't in team. So we saw a little bit more

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Speaker 1: is Mickey said, you know, they're flying around and doing

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Speaker 1: some things. Yeah. I think that the play that the

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Speaker 1: interception that Dak through to Anthony Brown, great read on

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Speaker 1: his part to see where Beasley was playing zone coverage,

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Speaker 1: drops his zone and then drives on the football. But

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Speaker 1: Dad did him a favor. Dad shouldn't had no business

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Speaker 1: throwing that football just that way to that side of

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Speaker 1: act like you're taking the sack, or get rid of

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Speaker 1: it throw it away, but just to fire the ball

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Speaker 1: to the sideline in zone covery when you got a corner,

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Speaker 1: that knows how to drive. That's that's a reckless play

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Speaker 1: the two minute drill. What have you seen out here,

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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is I don't concern offensive lay

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Speaker 1: as far as the way they're executing in the two

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Speaker 1: the plays down the field and then they're not making enough.

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Speaker 1: We talked about the ball that did go to Austin.

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Speaker 1: To Austin though it was a nice but we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen much of that. The defense really has been kind

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Speaker 1: of they've been checking the ball, checking the ball, and

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Speaker 1: get down in the red zone and what were it?

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Speaker 1: You know, the the the the struggles that wasn't There

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Speaker 1: was no struggles in the red zone yesterday. But we

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Speaker 1: to that point, we've have seen them drive the football

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Speaker 1: and then it turns into a Dan Bailey field goal,

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Speaker 1: and we're kind of like, okay, oh, it's good. All right,

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Speaker 1: So okay, let me ask you this this part of it,

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Speaker 1: because okay, that was a two minute drill right where

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Speaker 1: the situation was, I believe, let's say, on the Anthony

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Speaker 1: Brown pick right, Okay, they're down four with two twenty

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Speaker 1: the way the drill is set up. It's a situation. Okay.

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Speaker 1: are are they being more aggressive than what you might

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Speaker 1: see in a game or what do you say? Not?

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Speaker 1: Just yesterday the interception on the two minute was zon

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Speaker 1: fourth Was it fourth? Well? Then that that was okay,

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Speaker 1: fourth down? You take a shot down the field. That

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Speaker 1: ball went directionally to the right and would have been

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Speaker 1: way short of what they're of the down and distance

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the one on fourth down and the

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Speaker 1: two minute drill was to Terrence Williams, the Anthony Brown

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Speaker 1: but the one on the two minute drill, it was

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Speaker 1: fourth down, he was rolling, he tried to throw on

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Speaker 1: the run. Yeah, the ball got tipped up. But I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the Anthony Brown one. Yeah, okay, where he's jumping,

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Speaker 1: where he jumps the route? Right? Are they playing more

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Speaker 1: aggressively and are you getting a true read for what

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Speaker 1: this offense would be doing in a two minute because

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Speaker 1: the memory we all have a Tony Romo late in

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Speaker 1: his career. Sure he was a master at the two minute,

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Speaker 1: all right, but tricky lading the ball down the field. Whatever. Now,

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Speaker 1: we cannot expect this offense right now to perform at

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Speaker 1: that level in a two minute offense because they got

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Speaker 1: so many new faces. They don't have the security blanket

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Speaker 1: a witt and run. Bill, tell you what, I think

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Speaker 1: you're being nice, but but but I'm just saying this

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Speaker 1: early in camp, right, But we gotta start seeing. We

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Speaker 1: gotta see that in preseason games before the regular season,

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Speaker 1: and that I don't know if you will, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there'll be enough. I mean maybe

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Speaker 1: the maybe when we get back to Dallas and then

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Speaker 1: we have you know, you have games where Prescott and

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Speaker 1: these guys are playing more, you get a you know,

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Speaker 1: you get a situation with that third game where they're

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Speaker 1: playing in through the half. Well, but but sometimes they'll

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Speaker 1: just go with you know, just fastball fastball that they call. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: an off day on a Friday, and then back on

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Speaker 1: the practice field on Saturday. And we are taking your

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Speaker 1: phone calls here on Talking Cowboys who want to get

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on what you saw during the yesterday's live

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Speaker 1: two hour telecast of the Blue White practice and scrimmage

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Speaker 1: and which you by the way you can it's archived

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Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. You can if you didn't

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Speaker 1: get a chance to watch it live, you can watch it.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Brandon in Virginia. First up, I'm talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Hello Brandon, Hey guys, um, I know you're having a

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Speaker 1: great day. Not gonna ask thank you. I have a

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Speaker 1: comment and a question. As far as my comment, I

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Speaker 1: really do appreciate you guys as a commentary during the

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Speaker 1: scrimmash game. It's really helped get get things in the

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Speaker 1: mood of we're back in football. And my question is,

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Speaker 1: with how impressive he wasn't practiced yesterday, do you think

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Speaker 1: that the Cowboys will alter their philosophy on tight ends

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Rico Gathers to in order to

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Speaker 1: give Dak a reliable target And hang up and let

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Speaker 1: you guys talk about it. All right? Thank you? Brandon

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Speaker 1: con the match about him and he was my man

446
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Speaker 1: of the match yesterday. And I'll tell you what the

447
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Speaker 1: thing about it. The great thing about Rico Gathers is

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Speaker 1: if he could play in the red zone where he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to go as far down the field, he

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Speaker 1: could be a weapon. There's no question about that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was the out and up move that he made

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Speaker 1: to on a second touchdown was good. He did a

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Speaker 1: nice job to separate into Dak rolls to his lap

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Speaker 1: to buy some time. Rico Gathers smartly moves with him,

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Speaker 1: buy some space, falls right there. So yeah, if Rico

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Speaker 1: Gathers continues to make plays like that, he's gonna put

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Speaker 1: himself in some consideration for the talk of Okay, do

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Speaker 1: we keep three, do we keep four? Is he a third?

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Speaker 1: Is he fourth? Maybe he pushes somebody out if they

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Speaker 1: keep four tight ends. I think I think he's making progress.

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Speaker 1: He's not like the tight ends that you have, but

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Speaker 1: he is a reliable catcher of the football when you

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Speaker 1: throw in his direction. You know what's interesting about Rico

464
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Speaker 1: and his basketball background and of course the knock on

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Speaker 1: him before he became Mcowboys he hadn't played football since

466
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Speaker 1: the eighth grade. But when you think about it, a

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Speaker 1: lot of that red zone stuff and the stuff that

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Speaker 1: you're talking about and writing about for today on Dallas

469
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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com, him staying active on the scrambled. There

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Speaker 1: are some basketball instincts in the red zone that comes

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Speaker 1: to play on the football. To separate, how to clear,

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Speaker 1: how to get your shot of all that stuff. Box

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Speaker 1: out and box out. He uses post up on the

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Speaker 1: goal line. He uses his body well to screen off

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Speaker 1: the defense. And what we saw in the preseason games

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Speaker 1: last year is he can go get a jump ball.

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Speaker 1: He can go grab it. Basically, it's like grabbing a rebound,

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Speaker 1: is what he told me last year. I mean so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean to some degree. Um. But the thing he

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Speaker 1: keeps telling when I talk to him, it's blocking. He's

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Speaker 1: got it. He's got a wock on that and become

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Speaker 1: more of a complete player that way. They keep him

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Speaker 1: on the backside. If you notice some of the stuff,

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Speaker 1: and they get down in the red center when he

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Speaker 1: has to block, they will run the ball away. When

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Speaker 1: they go twelve personnel and say he's they'll usually run

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Speaker 1: the ball to Swain side or two or to jar

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Speaker 1: when when they're in a kind of a two in

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Speaker 1: a two tight situation where they have an inline guy

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Speaker 1: in a wing and to say they go with all

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Speaker 1: three titans, that they will run the ball away just

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Speaker 1: to try and give him a chance. But they but

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Speaker 1: one of them yesterday. You know, generally the ball goes

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Speaker 1: with one of his players. Yesterday, they got the ball

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Speaker 1: on the outside with with Williams. Rico Gathers was at

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Speaker 1: the point of attack, got his guy turned and walled

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Speaker 1: off inside. That's a big body. If he could figure

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Speaker 1: out the blocking part of it, like he even said,

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Speaker 1: you know, then he's going to put himself in consideration

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Speaker 1: for for a spot on this team. I think he's

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Speaker 1: got his hand up in the air now that they

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Speaker 1: he reminded him yesterday. Yeah. There, And now the difficulty

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Speaker 1: part of it is you assume you're gonna keep three, yes,

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Speaker 1: can you keep four? Yeah? And if you keep three,

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Speaker 1: if he's one of the three, who you cutting see

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Speaker 1: this is Swain was good yesterday and Shultz And that's

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Speaker 1: and that's the kind of the crux of the problem

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Speaker 1: that they have is that they do they say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we need to have four tight ends because we can't

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Speaker 1: put Rico out or we can't put him on the street.

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Speaker 1: We need the fourth guy. He might have to take

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Speaker 1: away a spot from somebody on the defense. Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: they're thinking about keeping an extra defensive end, you know,

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Speaker 1: if one of those defensive ends, if they're thinking, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we kind of think they're gonna keep nine defensive linemen,

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Speaker 1: and it might be a situation where they only keep

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Speaker 1: three tackles, thinking that maybe that they could put Crawford

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Speaker 1: back inside or work somebody inside. So instead of maybe

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Speaker 1: keeping nine defensive linemen, you only keep eight, you keep

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Speaker 1: a four tight end. It's there. There's now becomes the

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Speaker 1: chessboard of we're talking about Will McClay, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones,

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Speaker 1: of moving those tags around to make it work for

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Speaker 1: your team. Maybe keep fewer offensive lineman. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how many of these offensive linemen is. Somebody's gonna push

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Speaker 1: him to keep nine. Yeah, I think they're only gonna

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Speaker 1: keep eight myself. Now, Joe Looney has been really good.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they missed a beat with Joe Looney playing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I know he's not Travis Drake, but they were. I

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Speaker 1: mean when they ran the ball, Joe Looney, Martin, those

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Speaker 1: guys were on the edge. They were they were getting

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Speaker 1: to guys and stuff. I think Joe Looney, you watch

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Speaker 1: him the one on one pass for one thing that's

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Speaker 1: been Yeah, I've been impressed with Joe Looney's not just

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Speaker 1: a jokester. Yeah, but he's kind of got that image

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Speaker 1: right well kind of like yeah, but he could play

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Speaker 1: he goes, but he goes against Antoine Woods, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a battle in there, and he's holding up and

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Speaker 1: Woods is kind of knocking him around, and he's knocking

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Speaker 1: Woods around, so he hasn't It's you know, he looks

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Speaker 1: better with the hands, with the feet, the mobility. It's

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Speaker 1: like he's taking football seriously and it's like he's I

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Speaker 1: think he's in better shape. Yeah, I think I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. And I think when he hurt his wrists

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Speaker 1: and they let him black the heavy did a lot

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Speaker 1: of other stuff too to keep himself. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: keep two quarterbacks. Well that that's a thought too. We've

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Speaker 1: also kicked around seven wide receivers. Maybe just don't do that,

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Speaker 1: you keep six. Um, it will depend on the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: It will depend what they do in preseason games. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so there's a lot of juggling going on. You can

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Speaker 1: figure you could figure that part of it out. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: if he continues to play, you know, and maybe you

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Speaker 1: don't put him in situations where he's blocking. Now you

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Speaker 1: hate to show your hand. It's like, oh, he's going

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Speaker 1: out for a pass, been in two tight end situations.

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Speaker 1: If he could just do a little bit of yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it would be if he makes the team. I

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Speaker 1: think it would be tough for him to get on

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Speaker 1: the game day, don't you think week to week? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean you're you're keeping special teams because Jarwin's on

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Speaker 1: some of the coverage teams. All those guys are on

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Speaker 1: some special teams. Yeah, you know Jarwin. If you watch it,

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Speaker 1: you could see blue shirts, white shirts. Yeah, there's really

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Speaker 1: two white shirts and two white shirts. The two tight

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Speaker 1: ends that are you know that used to be the

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Speaker 1: James Hannah role. You know, James Hannah was a blocker

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Speaker 1: and then and then a core special teams guy. So

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Speaker 1: Rico is he's making progress? I will say that he

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Speaker 1: is making progress. He's never gonna he's never gonna beat

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Speaker 1: you down the field with quickness or look pretty doing it.

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Speaker 1: But if you throw the ball in his general direction,

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Speaker 1: he will find a way to catch right One other note,

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Speaker 1: en Rico, if he continues to play like he's playing

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Speaker 1: right now, he's not a guy that you can get

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Speaker 1: to the practice squad. Yeah, someone something like a Sandy

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Speaker 1: a Chargers or somebody will. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: a guarantee, it's okay. I just throw it out there.

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Speaker 1: Always Oh. You know, one of the things we always

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Speaker 1: learned about these teams, they misevaluate their players. Sometimes you think, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's no way this is gonna be a tough cut. No,

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Speaker 1: players generally cut themselves. And then he shows up in

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Speaker 1: preseason games like he did last year. Okay, okay, somebody

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Speaker 1: might want to say we can develop this exactly. Who

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Speaker 1: sit there and say, hey, that might be Antonio Gates

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Speaker 1: right there. This is where evaluation comes in. This is

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Speaker 1: where evaluation comes in. Right here. Who has a better

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Speaker 1: chance of making it to a practice squad? Mike White

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Speaker 1: or Rico Gathers. Rico gather I think, I think a

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Speaker 1: quarterback you say, well, do in the preseason games. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: if if what if Mike White's just okay, yeah, what

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Speaker 1: if you think Mike White has a better chance of

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Speaker 1: making the practice squad? Me too. As a scout, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you say, see, drafted quarterback, there's probably better. There's probably

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Speaker 1: better scouting reports on Mike White. Somebody's sitting there right

595
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Speaker 1: now looking at their team, going, you know, if Mike

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Speaker 1: White was on the waiver wire, somebody's probably sitting there going,

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Speaker 1: you know, we liked Mike White. We had a third

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Speaker 1: round grade on him. Yeah, we didn't get to him. Wait,

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Speaker 1: who's our backup quarters third quarterback? You know it's some

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Speaker 1: guy from you know, Central Arkansas that we kind of like.

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Speaker 1: But that that's see, that's where that's where. That's where

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Speaker 1: personnel guys struggle because if you put a young quarterback

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Speaker 1: out there, there's a better chance of losing a young

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Speaker 1: quarterback then there is losing a tight end. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: at this point, but I'm not I'm because it because

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Speaker 1: it's a pre me in position. I'm waiting. But with you,

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Speaker 1: but from what we've seen, can I go in the

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Speaker 1: draft next year and get another mic White? Oh? Sure

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Speaker 1: you probably could. It isn't it a little early? Are we? No?

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I would like to get him on

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Speaker 1: the practice, saying this about Cooper Rush last, let's get

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Speaker 1: in the games to see what the kid does. Did

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Speaker 1: y'all see RG three The other night? I was watching

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Speaker 1: What was I watching? I was watching something? I was

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Speaker 1: watching Johnny man tonight? Yeah, No, Johnny Manziel was Friday night?

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Speaker 1: Was he? I thought I watched the replay while I

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Speaker 1: was working out yesterday boarding. I heread he had a

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Speaker 1: good drive to start the game. I thought he looked great. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: he was accurate with his passes, a quick release moving around.

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Speaker 1: Still yeah, wait, is this the same game or is

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Speaker 1: this a different game? We're talking about RG three RG three. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm on the Johnny No no, no, no no, no three. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I was like, did I heard something different about? What's

624
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Speaker 1: interesting there is the Ravens are sitting there with Flacco,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and RG three, right, okay, And so they're

626
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Speaker 1: sitting there with three quarterbacks, with two of them with

627
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Speaker 1: Heisman trophies. And if they let RG three go um

628
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Speaker 1: with this team, ponder that at all, there's a backup

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Speaker 1: rush as a third or a second without of course,

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Speaker 1: if he shows see that, if he shows anything, if

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Speaker 1: he continues to show like he did on that drive

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Speaker 1: that I watched him the other day, he's gonna ask you.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna ask you why then, And I just answered that,

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Speaker 1: I mean he beat me to the Yeah. See, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna say, Well, Nicky's argument is, well, if he's playing well,

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Speaker 1: why would they release him? Right, That's what he would say, right, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But but if he's playing bad quarterback? But if RG

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Speaker 1: three is bad. Micky's argument, why would you want to

639
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Speaker 1: pick him up? Because what the Ravens obviously got rid

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Speaker 1: of it? Right? Right exactly? Sounds like common sense to me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's use that same logic on Mike White. See Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: Cowboys data backup quarterback. They draft at this guy, right,

643
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Speaker 1: and if they're gonna let him go, why would anyone

644
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Speaker 1: pick him up? It just depends on how much patient

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Speaker 1: this guy is. Go ahead, Rob, I'm sorry, I just

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Speaker 1: think I mean, we're we're what a week, a week

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Speaker 1: and a half, We're just doing a show, Rob, We're

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Speaker 1: doing a show. I know, I'm just not This is

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Speaker 1: my opinion. I'm not ready to cut No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I know eybody is. I think it's I think it's

651
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Speaker 1: one of those things we're trying to figure out. Should

652
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Speaker 1: we were trying to if we were trying to rob

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Speaker 1: a position to that, because I think they're gonna go

654
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: with three tight ends. I have said this, and I've

655
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: argued with Dave on this in the training table at

656
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: lunch and stuff like, you don't have to keep three quarterbacks.

657
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Speaker 1: You don't have to do it. It's a luxury um.

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Speaker 1: But you didn't invest a draft pick in him. Sure,

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Speaker 1: let's let's see what he can do. But there are

660
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Speaker 1: other ways. If you want to get Rico Gathers on

661
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: this roster, there's other ways to do it. You can

662
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: go light at receiver, you can go light at running back,

663
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: you can go light on the offensive line, go anywhere

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Speaker 1: you're going five receivers. Oh, well, I guess in light.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's not go heavy at receiver. Let's if

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Speaker 1: you want to keep sick a set of seven you

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Speaker 1: take away, you have to have Ola Wally here. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a special teams guy for

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Speaker 1: a Quinn. Okay, in addition to how many how many

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Speaker 1: defensive in do you want? Mm? As many as you

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Speaker 1: can get to the quarterback? What if all of a sudden,

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00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: have you had enough of I mean, is it is

673
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Speaker 1: it gonna be? Is it gonna be Lawrence Crawford? It

674
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: sounds like it's a are It sounds like they're gonna

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Speaker 1: Gregory Gregory, and who's your fourth armstrong? Yeah? Fourth round pick? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Tapper Sets saying, though it's a fourth round pick. Sets,

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Speaker 1: U'm saying, though, I mean you you could, you could

678
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Speaker 1: very well. I mean, I think they're gonna try and

679
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: keep five of those guys. I think so too. I

680
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Speaker 1: think you could try and keep trust the Gregory situation.

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00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: But can you trust Tapper? Yeah? Yeah, See that's where

682
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: you're running into if you think that it's okay, it's

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00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: Rico gaust them, okay, Trusty, staying health, staying healthy. Rico

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Speaker 1: gathers over. This is fun. I love doing this. Rico

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Speaker 1: gathers over over the defensive ends that I was talking about,

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Speaker 1: Gregory and Tapper rank them? How would you how would

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Speaker 1: you rank those three players as far as needy first,

688
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm Gregory, yeah, for sure. And I would probably keep

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00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: Tapper over Rico at this point for sure. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and one of the one of the reasons, one of

691
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: the reasons you have to keep the extra defensive end

692
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: is because you don't know for sure if Randy Gregory

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Speaker 1: is going to be eligible to play all year, and

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Speaker 1: if he played well, he's done. And you know he's

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00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: a guy that you that's what happens. He's made his

696
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Speaker 1: own bed. If one strike away from you never know

697
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: when you gotta move Crawford inside anything, I'm asking it.

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Speaker 1: I think that to me, I think that I would

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Speaker 1: go with the defensive ends myself. Yeah. But the thing

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Speaker 1: about it is, okay, how about safety you're gonna play?

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00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: You want all four safety? That's another spot. Could you

702
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: go lighter in the second area since you got Byron

703
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: Jones that could play, could you go lighter there because

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00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: of versatili? First off, you go nine? First off, tell

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00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: me who the fourth safety is? Well, right now it's Hugh.

706
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: It's tough, right, yeah, but actually this Robinson kid has

707
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Speaker 1: played pretty well the last couple of days. But right

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Speaker 1: now it's tough, right, So weston h question, Huff, can

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Speaker 1: you go? Can you go six corners and three safeties?

710
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: You've got corners who can play safety? Yeah, you're right right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is that the way we do it where they usually

712
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: keep ten dbs? You could? I mean you could just

713
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Speaker 1: kind of like the old scene. And you guys understand

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Speaker 1: the point you're gonna have to rob a position or

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Speaker 1: one guy. Well, you're gonna have to determine. And it

716
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: sounds like you don't want to. It sounds like you

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00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: don't want a quarterback. Yeah, quarterback is where I'm robbing?

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Speaker 1: Are you robbing right now? Right now? Now, we'll see

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Speaker 1: guy and I'm a guy that thinks Mike White could

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Speaker 1: be a starter. Yeah, no, no, I'm just I'm with

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Speaker 1: the Mike White train. I'm on the Mike. This is

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Speaker 1: Monday before the first priest and out with you. We're

723
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Speaker 1: going based on what we've seen so far, and yesterday

724
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Speaker 1: wasn't good. So I'm with you there. I'm with you there,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not based it on yesterday. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, I haven't seen you. Yeah, if you if

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00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: you look at it that way, that's why they played

728
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: the preseason game. Tony Romo would have never been here. Yeah,

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00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: that's as awful as a rookie. He was awful as

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Speaker 1: a second year. Remember that first preseason game at Arizona. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was the one in Oakland with Parcels,

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Speaker 1: the one where he'd be dove in on fours. Well,

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Speaker 1: that gave him the first preseason game in Arizona. He

734
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Speaker 1: came in late through some jump ball, picked off I

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Speaker 1: think Parcels. He said. Parcels met him at like midfield

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Speaker 1: to yell at him until you're not gonna you know.

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't the worst part. The worst part was

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Speaker 1: watching him practice and he was so inaccurate Mickey's right.

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Speaker 1: I used to just stand out there and watch him play.

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Speaker 1: And here's a story for you. I remember being at

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Speaker 1: training camp and for three weeks or whatever it was,

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Speaker 1: Carol better than the Cowboys. Carol's quarterbacks were. They had

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Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there watching just throw fade routes the

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Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: do we still have to go cover Rangers. Where'd you

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Speaker 1: go to dinner? Oh? What is the name of the place?

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Speaker 1: Silver and the collection? Over there, there's a bar. No famous,

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Speaker 1: Dave's Angry Dog, Lazy Dog yard house, yardhouses were ribby.

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Speaker 1: I was close Lazy dogs, angry lazy dog. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna move Rob into the captain's chair there. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: y'all are gonna have to fend for yourself. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know you will be fine. I just hope I still

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Speaker 1: All right, Brandon and Illinois, you're up next year on

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. Hello Brandon, Hello guys, how are you doing good? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I'm just here to make my case that Rico gathers

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Speaker 1: maybe the best tight end on the on the tank. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We we had two guys here last year that I

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Speaker 1: can't remember what well what they did, and we drafted

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Speaker 1: as guy um in the fourth round. I believe. Now,

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Speaker 1: you guys say, um uh the jarring, he's a he's

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Speaker 1: a good he runs. He looks like a white white

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Speaker 1: receiver in the tight ends. But yes, that's pretty much

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Speaker 1: the girl. The best thing I've heard about him so far.

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Speaker 1: And I slam I really, don't you know, I don't really,

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Speaker 1: I really haven't say anything he does. He's done good

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Speaker 1: so far. But Rico Gather seems like every time we

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Speaker 1: saw the guy in the ball, he catches it. Now,

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Speaker 1: you guys say he's not the greatest route runner. He

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Speaker 1: looks lumbering. Yeah, and he hasn't played on the on

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Speaker 1: a on a on a on the football fields things.

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Speaker 1: He was like thirteen. But the other guys have had

844
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: college experience, and sure nothing had song for it. So

845
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to see, you know, but where do

846
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: you guys realistic? Let's see him I see makes the

847
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: forty six, that's my question. Now I lives, thank you,

848
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: He's got him on the roster. Randon's got him on

849
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: the He talked about it for fifteen minutes. Yeah, it's okay.

850
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: Look sometimes people jump out and I say this about

851
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin QB. One loves what he brings to the table.

852
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: And he didn't mention him by name yesterday, but he

853
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: talked about the tight ends. He likes what they bring.

854
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: But he talked about ones being able to run down

855
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: the field and separate and make plays. That's a number

856
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: eighty nine. That's Blake Jarwin's we've seen that in camp.

857
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: He doesn't. I think swayin right now is probably your

858
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: most complete tight end. He's been solid, but Jarwin gives

859
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: you a dimension that they can use in the offense

860
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: this year. I think the good thing for Ricos we're

861
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: actually talking about him. You know, before he might have

862
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: been a little bit more of an afterthought that they're

863
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: only gonna keep three. This is the way they're gonna

864
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: do it. It's they're gonna keep Schultz, They're gonna keep Sway,

865
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna keep at least he's put himself in the

866
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: conversation where for twelve minutes or so we had to

867
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: figure out would we rather have him or a safety?

868
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: Would rather have him or a defensive end? Would we

869
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: rather have him or a quarterback? I think that itself

870
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: is if if things take care of themselves, Rico Gathers

871
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: is a guy that is in fact making some plays

872
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: when the ball has thrown his direction. Is that good

873
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: enough for these guys to carry a forward tight end?

874
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: We'll see that would be that that would be how

875
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: this thing plays out when we get to the fifty three.

876
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: But if he continues to make progress, he's going to

877
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: be a consideration. He will be considered now. He's also

878
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: running into a situation no where there's and maybe this

879
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: is going to help him. The fact that some coaches

880
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: that probably had that excuse me not probably coaches that

881
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: had problems with him are no longer here. No, he's no.

882
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: I mean those guys are now gone. He's got a

883
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: fresh set of coaches. You know, they got some they

884
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: got some fresh, new, fresh opinion. And sometimes if you're

885
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: a guy that's having struggles, if you're having struggles and

886
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: with one coaching staff and then they change the coaching staff,

887
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: and you get a clean sheet of paper to go

888
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 1: out here and try and do a little bit better.

889
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: Forty six he's in a nass about the fifty three

890
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: straight to well, he's trying to get him. Oh no,

891
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: he's yeah. If you're if you put him on the

892
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: fifty three, you're trying to get him to the forty six.

893
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: And he plays special teams? Is there anything they can

894
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: do the game the way it is now? On the kickoff,

895
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: the kickoff return, the punt. I mean, I don't know

896
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: where he other than maybe field goal team. You know,

897
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: the rules change, the type of player you need yeah,

898
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,959
Speaker 1: I think watch, yeah, watching, watch, he's covering these kicks,

899
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: master guys. Watch, he's blocking these guys. Can It's it's

900
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: gonna be quick Man on quick Man game. Yeah. Yeah.

901
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: You need more safeties, you need more linebackers, you need cornerbacks.

902
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: There'll be a lot of cornerbacks out there playing because

903
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: they're gonna match up blocker for blocker there and that's

904
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: where I you know, Rico Gathers might be a little

905
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: bit of a because he and he mentioned it. He

906
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: is a lumbering player. We see that with our own eyes.

907
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: Spiking of cornerbacks, hidobeg who is that is how he

908
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: wants his He would like his name pronounced, but he's

909
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: fine going however you want to go with it that

910
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: I asked him specifically in there. It's so it's awkward

911
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: though to say it anyway, all right, How concerned are

912
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: you with his injury issue? Jason Garrett says, it's not

913
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: anything serious, But you know he did he was already

914
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: yesterday than I thought he would do. How important is

915
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: he to Oh, I think he's the guy. Yeah, he's

916
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: got to be back there. You need him and Byron

917
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: Jones and whoever's going to play that nickel. You need

918
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: them to be on the game and uh, yeah him.

919
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: You know, you just have to trust what the head

920
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: coach is telling us in those those press conferences, because

921
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: trust me, we have people from the medical side that

922
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: listen to these shows. So you got to be careful

923
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: how you say things about that. But so as long

924
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: as he's as long as we're getting information him there

925
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: that everything's okay, we have to trust that. I didn't

926
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: think he'd dressed yesterday. I didn't either, but because he

927
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: wasn't in team in the walkthrough, but he was out

928
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: there with a sleeve on his knee, and I think

929
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: he did some individual stuff he did. Yeah, and when

930
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: they did kind of the dressed walked through before the

931
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: practice actually started, he was out there. So this is

932
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: stuff we couldn't see because we were watching the TV

933
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: monitor all the time. We were first at the top

934
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: of the stands that was right next to him sideline

935
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: and Rob was right there fifty yard line. Ye. Hey,

936
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: we've got we've got Dave in Marshall, Texas next up

937
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: here on Talking Cowboys. Hello Dave, good morning, jentle, enjoy

938
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: your chef. Thank you. Well, I'm curious about this vander

939
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: ash is wearing some kind of brice on neck. I

940
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: know this yesterday at the scrimmage, and I was wondering

941
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: whether they indicated some kind of ongoing problem. And the

942
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: other question I had was have we heard anything about

943
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: David Irvin. I'll take the last one. No, I mean

944
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: we haven't. Right, he's got he's a four game suspension

945
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: to start the season. There's been no update, and we

946
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: don't we didn't expect any update. And in the Oxnard

947
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: portion of training camp, right, Erry Jones indicated h right

948
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: off the bat this training camp that he did not

949
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: expect him to be here in Oxnard at all, and

950
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: we shall see whether he shows up in Fresco went

951
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: for the open practices once they get back home. Yeah,

952
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: and the vanders had had there was some concern coming out.

953
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: It's part of his pads. That's just an extension of

954
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: his pad to keep his head. It's almost like in

955
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: NASCAR they have a device called the Hans Device that

956
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: keeps your head and kind of keeps your also part

957
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: of his past, Yeah, exactly, that's what That's what I'm saying.

958
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: I was getting to that point coming out of the draft.

959
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: There were some questions about his neck, and some teams

960
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: were very cautious about him as a player. That Cowboys

961
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: doctor's staff they felt like though that was not going

962
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: to be an issue. But that's just part of the

963
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: equipment that's to his pads. It's nothing else that he

964
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: played with that that brace on his pads while he

965
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: was in Boise as well. So that's why he's a

966
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: middle linebacker exactly. Yep, all the middle linebacker where Bryan

967
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: Cox yea makes you look more vicious. Yeah, Matt Millen

968
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: used to wear the old Actually, you know what I thought.

969
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: I thought he had a good day yesterday. You know,

970
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: you can't see because we see what we and what

971
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: everybody sees as what happens in the passing game. In

972
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: the running game, he was filling the really well. Yeah,

973
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: and he was chasing the ball down really well in

974
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: the running game. And that's that's a tough part of

975
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: making that transition there. Jalen Smith. The other day, we

976
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: saw him stride for stride with Cole Beasley going down

977
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. How about that was old

978
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: school cover two. That was your Tampa two right there.

979
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: When you say, Mike linebacker, you've gotten from seven yards

980
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: off the ball all the way between the two hash marks,

981
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: and I was Cole Beasley was running at a good

982
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 1: clip there, you know that was it wasn't like Cole Beasley.

983
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: People were going, well, was something wrong with Cole Beasley?

984
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: Now Cole was running. It's just what you saw with

985
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: which Allen was. He had a good read. He knew

986
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: he had to be in the middle of the field.

987
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 1: He saw what was happening from the slot. The ball

988
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: went to the route went through the middle. He turned,

989
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,959
Speaker 1: he took off for a spot and he was able

990
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: to catch up with Cole and then turn around to

991
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: find the ball to help to help knock it away.

992
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: So good for him and playing some old school Tampa

993
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: two football of him having to take the middle of

994
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: that zone defense. The defense as dominant as they were

995
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: in the two minute drill yesterday, they were bad in

996
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: the red zone. Though. They were bad in the red zone.

997
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: And you know, I see the reports how the defense

998
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: is dominated and so forth. They were bad in the

999
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: red zone. But if you look at yesterday's practice and

1000
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: which you can on Dalla right here on Dallas Cowboys

1001
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: dot com, the offense looked really good in the redis

1002
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: absolutely it's one of those things where when the offense

1003
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: looks good, what's wrong with the defense? Yeah, Gared Is

1004
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: spoken of that if you turn on the tape at

1005
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: night in the film room with the team and it's

1006
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: all one side, and you got a problem on one

1007
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: side of your football team, and that's you kind of

1008
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: want to see it fifty fifty And that's kind of

1009
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: what we saw yesterday. Um, I thought Zeke, we saw

1010
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: Zeke as a receiver leaking out for a touchdown there

1011
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: in the red zone, that maybe that's something he can

1012
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: do for them that we haven't talked that much about.

1013
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: I don't think, um there were some positive signs from

1014
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: the offense, But to your point, build the last previous

1015
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: couple of practices in those situations. A lot of incompletions,

1016
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: I got. This is changing subjects totally. Okay. I was

1017
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: just thinking about this this morning. When do you think

1018
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: will be the and this is the Ring of Honor

1019
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: right coming off the Hall of Fame ceremony and so forth,

1020
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: when do you think will be we'll have the next

1021
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor induction. We usually know about our last

1022
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: four minutes shifts this year. We usually by now, Yeah,

1023
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: it's usually around this time of when they will make

1024
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: an announcement if there's gonna be something this season, if yeah,

1025
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: I had I had two guys in mind, I'm pulling for.

1026
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for Harvey Martin. I really am. I don't

1027
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: always I don't know necessary if Harvey Martin will get in,

1028
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: I think, you know what, at the same time, I

1029
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: pull for Harvey Martin, I pull for two tall Jones, Yes,

1030
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: And I've always thought that you put Harvey and too

1031
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: tall in at the same time. I've just my experience

1032
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: of being a twenty year season ticket holder for the

1033
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: Cowboys that Harvey Martin was such a great part of

1034
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: my life, but also gil Brant was a big part

1035
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: of my life too, And I think we're probably closer

1036
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: to gil Brandt getting in if tex s Ram is in.

1037
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: And I respect what tex Stram has done for the

1038
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: He's one of the pillars of the National Football League.

1039
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: But you have to look at the run that gil

1040
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: Brant had, and I would hope that gil Brant would

1041
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: even get Hall of Fame consideration to be they're putting

1042
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: guys like pulling in Bethrono beethd Yeah, George Young, absolutely,

1043
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: gil Brandt deserves to go in without I think he's next. Yeah,

1044
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't forget about the previous generations, right because people

1045
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: might immediately say, well, Jason Witten just retired DeMarcus Ware.

1046
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: That's the problem. That's the problem we run into is

1047
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: the fact that there was this team was really good

1048
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: before nineteen eighty nine. If you if you go back

1049
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: from from nineteen sixty to nineteen eighty nine, they had

1050
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: some I get reminded every day when I walked through

1051
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: the Star of all the records that are on the

1052
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: wall of good football teams. I've seen a lot of

1053
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: great Super Bowl winning teams and stuff like that. I

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Speaker 1: just and I think the Jones family, for the most part,

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Speaker 1: has done a nice job of not forgetting the past.

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Speaker 1: They appreciate what this history of business team. But I

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Speaker 1: wish we had a couple more guys from that era

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Speaker 1: that could be brought forward to the especially since Gills

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Speaker 1: getting up in eight. Yeah, i'd like to see that. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And he's still sharp to talk to, you know, still

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Speaker 1: does his work, still does scouting stuff, and he has

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Speaker 1: his hands in a lot of different things. And but

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Speaker 1: I would like to see him get in before uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, he moves and just think, oh, he's done

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Speaker 1: for the NFL after he su Cowboys. You know that

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, I'm not sure why they're dragging

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Speaker 1: their feet on this one. Yeah, surely they're not waiting

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Speaker 1: on him to get in the Ring of Honor first.

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Speaker 1: Well that this should have no, it should be a requisite. Otherwise.

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Speaker 1: If that's the reason, then when he gets inducted, he

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Speaker 1: should have his own ceremony. Maybe next year. Maybe this

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Speaker 1: time next year, we will have just went right by everybody.

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Speaker 1: Oh what was it again? I'm sorry. I said maybe

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Speaker 1: if he ever gets inducted, then he should have his

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Speaker 1: own ceremony. Yeah, I don't focus on that singer. You

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Speaker 1: know what though in our last thirty seconds of the show,

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Speaker 1: the more that I think about that, let to do

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Speaker 1: his own thing. I don't care. That's what I say.

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Speaker 1: He's always kind of been and as long as he's not.

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Speaker 1: Everybody saying that the Hall of Fame might they're they're

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Speaker 1: thinking about having a clause that that's a head of

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Speaker 1: ahead of time. You have to commit to being at

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Speaker 1: the ceremony before you can get voted in. I'm set.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculously no one else will do that, right. But

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Speaker 1: even if they did it, you know, if he watched

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Speaker 1: the Gold the Hall of Fame ceremony will go on

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Speaker 1: if someone doesn't show up. If he watched it ceremony,

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Speaker 1: he'll sit there and go. I made a big I

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Speaker 1: don't think he cares. I don't think you're right. I

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Speaker 1: think I think you're right, But I don't think he cares.

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Speaker 1: If he doesn't want to go, the party makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Party will go on without. He's lucky to have that

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Speaker 1: jacket on Saturday because he had a friend drive it

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Speaker 1: to him. They were gonna mail it. All right. That's

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Speaker 1: Mickey's a quarter minute. As we wrap up Talking help

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Speaker 1: Me the ten second, will ll you again tomorrow morning

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