1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: to the show Ridiculous Historians. We are, as we often do, 3 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: coming to you. Live sort of from Atlanta, Georgia, the 4 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: home of Coca Cola, which is a controversial company. It's 5 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: one of the largest plastic polluters in the world, according 6 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: to several recent studies. It's also responsible for our, uh like, 7 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: our cultural image of Santa Claus in the West. It's 8 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: also responsible for popularizing polar bears in a very endearing way. Hi, 9 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm Ben, Hey Ben, I'm no all. Basically, Cocola invented 10 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: Santa Clause essentially for all intents and purposes, right, the 11 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: visual of it. Yeah, I think that's just bonkers, Like 12 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: how far reaching marketing is. Like it just like a 13 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: company that old has the power to literally change the 14 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: course of like the Zepe guys and the way people 15 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: view a mythological figure. That's what I love about the 16 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: Coca Cola Museum. They're transparent about it. They're pretty much like, 17 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: this was Santa Claus beforehand, and then we got involved. 18 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: When was the last time you went to the Cocola 19 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Museum been, Oh, it's it's been a number of years. 20 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: That they've done some extensive retrofitting or renovations, rather than yeah, 21 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: when's the last of you went. I think I went 22 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: on a school trip when I was a kid. I 23 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: just remember there's the rum where you can taste all 24 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: of the coke products from around the world at the 25 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: very end, and the worst one for anyone who hasn't 26 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: been there yet, the worst one is an Italian Uh 27 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: did you Steve called Beverly? What does it taste like? 28 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: It tastes like crime, you know, really, yeah, punishment, It's 29 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: a crime in your mouth. Okay. Is this sort of 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: like a ma Lord or like, you know, like like 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: an herbal kind of vibe? Yeah, I think it's a 32 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: it's an herbal vibe. Excuse me, it's not just Steve. 33 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: It's an appertif, I say so, turn that on its 34 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: head and as if. Is it fizzy? Yeah, it's carbonated. 35 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: It's a soft drink. And you know, an appertif is 36 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: something you drink before meal to help you digest. Right. 37 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: It has been described as tasting of grapefruit rind leaning 38 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: into the bitter. That's what Malord tastes like. Oh, okay, 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: the Lord is like the Chicago the famous Chicago. Uh, 40 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: liquor liquor. Ye, people love it in Chicago and sort 41 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: of like a rite of passage for folks visiting or 42 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: folks moving there to try it. And it's very grapefruity, 43 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: but like absurdly heavy on the better tell you, uh, 44 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: someone else that Chicago loves. That's a super producer, Casey 45 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: Pegram and he loves Chicago. I love the deep dish pizza. 46 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: Yeah it's good, I said, Pets. Yeahzza, your Southern boy 47 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: really came out there deep dish pizza. Um, probably just 48 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: because you know, I only end up in Chicago once 49 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: every decade or so, so that's a pretty good pace 50 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: for the deep dish I think. Um, I mean, I 51 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: genuinely enjoy it, but I couldn't eat it like all 52 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: the time. Oh no, I kill you. Your heart would explode. Yeah, 53 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: what's the best deep dish pizza in Chicago? I had 54 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: a lou loumin al lose something um oh no, no, no, 55 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: I had um Georgana's organ is what I had? Georgano's 56 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: is well known. Yeah, I've had that before. Chicago listeners 57 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: right in and tell us your favorite Chicago deep dish 58 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: pizza joint. We were dying to know Philly listeners right 59 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: in and tell me your favorite Philly cheese steak. I 60 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: feel way more comfortable asking people, not on stage, asking 61 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: from the safety of a studio. But we're not talking 62 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: about cheese steaks, nor Deep dish pizzas, nor Chicago. Um. 63 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: We let off talking about Coca Cola. We talked a 64 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: little bit about Santa Claus to lead a bit with 65 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: polar bears. Yeah, that's where I was setting us up. Yeah, 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: polar bears. So if you are in the West and 67 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: familiar with things like TVs or advertisements, then you have 68 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: probably seen the famous Coca Cola polar Bear. It's very 69 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: prominent three D animation now, but the polar Bear actually 70 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: dates back to nineteen twenty two. It's a very old 71 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: Coca Cola ad and they're they're advertising is super effective. 72 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Oddly enough, around the time this was being invented, UH, 73 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: Coca Cola was not alone in their obsession with polar bears. 74 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: It turns out that across the pond in Germany, the 75 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: German people for several decades had an obsession with polar 76 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: bears themselves, not just polar bears, but specifically dudes wearing 77 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: polar bear costumes. Yeah, and just really quick. The first 78 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: advertisement featuring the Cocola polar Bear, or at least one 79 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: of from from nine two, as you said, is a 80 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: polar bear, uh, sitting kind of on his back, haunches 81 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: in a in a ice mound, um with some Coca 82 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: Cola is on ice and said mound, and he or 83 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: she is feeding Dare I say, squirting a bottle of 84 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: coke into the mouth of the sun, right, which uh, 85 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Megan the Stallion would for any hip hop fans would 86 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: call driving the boat. Is that a thing? Yeah, when 87 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: you pour a drink into someone's mouth. Yeah, from what 88 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: I could tell, it's when it's when that MC pour 89 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: shots into people's mouths and it's become a thing. Case here, 90 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: you're aware of this. I am not aware of this. 91 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe we're not plugged in enough, but yes, yeah, 92 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: it's very for anybody's fan of hip hop. Looked up 93 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: that poster Noel described. I think the one we found 94 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: is in French, but it's very much the picture. He 95 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: did great job describing that. So that's one of the 96 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: reasons that this whole polar bear obsession hit. Another one, 97 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: possibly the more close to home. Reason was that in 98 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties there was a family of polar bears, 99 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: live polar bears that were sent to the Berlin Zoo, 100 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: and folks got really jazzed about it, and the zoo 101 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: um decided they wanted to really lean into this, and 102 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: so they dressed up a man in a polar bear 103 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: suit and had him, you know, posed like you do 104 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: there like the Atlanta Aquarium, they've got a person in 105 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: a penguin suit because the penguins are are a big 106 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: attraction there. Um. But you would get these commemorative photos 107 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: and these things were like printing money because at the time, UM, 108 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: folks didn't really have their own cameras, they weren't portable, 109 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: so to get one of these photographs was kind of 110 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: a big deal. And photography was experiencing a tremendous moment 111 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: here in the interwar years of Germany, and there were cabarets, 112 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: so many amazing automobile races and so on, and people 113 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: posing with polar bears, fake or real. Was was part 114 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: of this. I like that you point out that there 115 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: was not the proliferation of photographic technology that we are 116 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: so fortunate to experience today. Instead, people would go to 117 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: a professional photographer. Having a camera at this point was 118 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: a way to make a living. Just possessing that technology 119 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: could gain you entry into a livelihood. What's weird about 120 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: these polar Bear photos is that it went beyond the zoo, Right, 121 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: it makes sense for people to get a photograph of 122 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: the mascot or maybe the actual polar bears in the background, 123 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: But soon enough these photos began proliferating outside of the 124 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: zoo and there were no set patterns. You would see 125 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: people in swimsuits on the beach and then some dude 126 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: in a polar Bear costume with them, uh, polar Bear 127 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: with people of fancy parties, are hanging with the military. 128 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: And it went across all demographics, all classes, generations, and 129 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: so on. It's weird because most of these photos, and 130 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: you can see several examples online, most of these photos 131 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: are not only black and white, but they're close up, 132 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: so it's kind of difficult to guess exactly where they 133 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: were taken. But we have some clues, and we have 134 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: some lovely firsthand accounts that we are getting from a 135 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: blog called German Girl in America dot com, a young 136 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: woman recounting some of her memories as a child, and 137 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: this was something that was very much part of that experience. 138 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: Her name is Karen Ann. By the way, recommend checking 139 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: out her blog Lots of cool stuff about German culture 140 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: and history. Um And it's true, Uh, they were. They 141 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: became very popular attractions at vacation destinations. Resorts in a 142 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: town called ker were very popular and a gentleman by 143 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: the name of Carl bitter Ling in rugen Um created 144 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: his own version of this in his photography studio that 145 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: was specifically set up to stage these polar bear photographs 146 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 1: for folks that were there on holiday. And he would 147 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: get about five marks per um one of these photo setups, 148 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: and that was that was no no, no chump change 149 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,359 Speaker 1: at the time. Right. And what I love about this 150 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: this blog is that our author goes on to say, 151 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: especially for notoriously frugal Germans, I guess you can say 152 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: that German girl in America dot com. I don't know 153 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: if we can. I don't know if I don't know 154 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: if I feel comfortable going to a European stereotype. But 155 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: I do feel comfortable exploring the weird history of Coca Cola. 156 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: It's very much from our native land so we have 157 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: that first theory about the zoo, right and the pair 158 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: of polar bears that that come to this German zoo. 159 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: We have this other theory that you can see proposing 160 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: in a number of different places that says these polar 161 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: bear outfits. This craze came out of an advertising campaign 162 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: for Fanta. As you know, Fantas was created as a 163 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: replacement soda during World War Two because there were Coca 164 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: Cola syrup shortages in Germany. I did not know that well. 165 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: Fanta is made from apple fiber and a couple of 166 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: other fruit syrups that were easier to get together. Let's 167 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: look at the timeline. As we said at the top, 168 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: Coca Cola used a polar bear for ads back in 169 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: nineteen two, and Fanta wanted people to think of Fanta 170 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: when they think of Coca Cola, so they asked the 171 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: Stiff company to make a polar bear costume, and the 172 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: bear would pose with regular people doing regular things, and 173 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: it became this sort of reminder of what life after 174 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: wartime could be. Things could be normal again. And then, 175 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: of course, because people connect Coca Cola with a polar bear, 176 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: they see a polar bear and they see a Fanta, 177 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, logo or can and then they they associate 178 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: the two and all of a sudden, Fanta becomes like 179 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: a stand in for coke. That was their mission. It's 180 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: funny we think of Fanta in the States is pretty 181 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: exclusively orange, an orange drink. There's a great fantasis, right. 182 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, when I think of fantasy, I typically think 183 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: of orange soda. And it wasn't that. That's not where 184 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: its roots began at once another orange soda crush, Maybe 185 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: that's it, slice maybe? Yeah, Yeah, there were a few. 186 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: There were a few orange sodas really like orange gina. Yeah, 187 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: I was mispronouncing it for a year or two. Possibly. 188 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: Friend didn't tell me this was in this was in X. 189 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: But we didn't break up due to the my mispronunciation 190 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: of orangina. I'm I'm not gonna give the mispronunciation on 191 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: the air, but you will all know what I was 192 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: accidentally saying, uh speaking of segways, uh nineteen thirty three. 193 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: Al Right, we're talking about the interwar years in Germany. 194 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: And even if we talk about something that's cute and 195 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: innocuous as polar bears, we all know who is going 196 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: to show up that's right, Hitler. Yeah, yeah, he's always 197 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: lurking just around the corner and these cute stories. Um. 198 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: In nine three, when the Nazis assumed power, a man 199 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: by the name of Max Kite spelled like Keith but 200 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: pronounced kite Um. He took over the German subsidiary of 201 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: Coca Cola UM, and he decided to score some points 202 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: with you know, the Nazis, UM by really leaning into 203 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: uh Coca Cola as like a lifestyle thing and emphasizing 204 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: this German way of life, which of course included uh 205 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: Nazi rule, arianism, all that jazz. Yeah. And here's the thing. 206 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: Back in the States, the Coca Cola Company, which was 207 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: led by Robert Woodroffe at the time, did not discourage 208 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: this at all. They kind of tacitly approved of it. 209 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: And we're getting some of this information from a fantastic 210 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: Atlas Obscura article called how Fanta was Created for Na 211 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: Germany by Matthew Blitz. I cannot say enough good things 212 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: about Atlas Obscura. I love it. They've got a hard 213 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: back out about the hard Back, and it's great. It's 214 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: great reading, really really great. So here's what goes down 215 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: as we know, history buffs. On December seven, Japan bombed 216 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor. The US enters World War two, And when 217 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: the US enters World War two, that means that legally speaking, 218 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: all American companies have to cut all business activities with 219 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: the enemies with Germany. So Coca Cola headquarters here in 220 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: Atlanta followed the letter of the law. They cut off 221 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: communications with Mr Kite in Germany, and they stopped exporting 222 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: their seven X flavoring. And the flavoring is like this syrup, right, 223 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: and you add the carbonation and the water later when 224 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: you're making a coke, and that is the famous secret ingredients. Supposedly, 225 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: like only a couple of executives have it and they 226 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: can be part of it exactly be on the same 227 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: plane at the same time. I think that's accurate. That's right. Um. 228 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I mean basically, uh, Coca Cola g 229 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: M b H is what it was called. Um was 230 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: left cold and there was the threat of the Nazis 231 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: actually seizing taking control of the company. But he had 232 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: a brilliant idea that that just might save his company. 233 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: Because again it's a subsidiary, right, so it's like a 234 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: franchise kind of or how would you consider that. I mean, 235 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: obviously they were working in league with the Americans, but 236 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: he was sort of independent and there was probably some 237 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: licensing fees that he paid, right, But the infrastructure, the factory, 238 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: the bottling apparatus and so on, that's technology that is 239 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: now solely in his possession until the Nazi Party nationalizes it. 240 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: And just because the businesses have cut ties, it doesn't 241 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: mean that these factories are this manufacturing capacity goes away. Hmm. 242 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: So here's what Kite does. It's it's pretty clever. He 243 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: gets together with his chemists, his eggheads and stuff, and 244 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: he says, let's take what we can find here in 245 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: the midst of this horrible war, and let's try to 246 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: using those ingredients in those constraints. Let's try to get 247 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: as close to coke as we can in terms of taste. 248 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: Here's what they were left with, though this is uh 249 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: a story of ingenuity. There's some geiver action going on here. 250 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: They essentially took the leftovers of other food manufacturers. So 251 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: fruit shavings, leftover apple fibers, and pulp um beat sugar, 252 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: even a cheese by product. Did you see that part 253 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: that gives me the Williams, you're you're not into cheese 254 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: soda and and this is we we tease this earlier 255 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: in the episode, but this was the makings of fanta 256 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: and he got that from the shorthand for the German 257 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: word for fantasy, and it it did quite well. So 258 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: Fanta was from the very beginning a German invention. And 259 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: even though he was doing this in step with the 260 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: Nazi Party, after the end of World War Two here 261 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Mr Kite was hailed as a hero from 262 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: across the Atlantic because he had kept the fires burning 263 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: for Coca Cola and Germany. How do you think that 264 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: worked with profits at the time, you know, I think 265 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: they were just glad that the factory didn't get bombed. 266 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: I think that's probably true. And then they they they 267 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: had somewhere to start back over once uh, you know, 268 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: once the war A war ended and the Nazis were defeated, 269 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: it would be it would be really tough to be 270 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: an accountant for international corporation at that time. You know, 271 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: I can only imagine so Coke's VP of sales at 272 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: the time as a fellow named Harrison Jones, and Harrison 273 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: Jones is over the moon about Mr kite, and he says, 274 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, he's a great man, who knows how he 275 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: did it. He prated in the trenches. Uh, he is 276 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: our pick. He He shouldn't just be in charge of 277 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: this company in Germany, he should be in command of 278 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: all of Coca Cola in Europe. Yeah, it's true. And UM, 279 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: that original recipe, which obviously was made in dire circumstances, 280 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, under duress, with kind of whatever they could 281 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: get their hands on. UM decided not to stick with 282 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,239 Speaker 1: the cheese beat juice soda and they went for what 283 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: we now know as the orange Fanta, which is kind 284 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: of just classic Fanta, right, And it made a huge 285 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: splash in Italy and then came to the US in 286 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight. Yep, apparently they revived the name Fanta 287 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: because it was already kind of a sunk cost. You 288 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: know that we we'd already put in the leg work. 289 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: I say we. By we, I mean the company that 290 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: was doing this way before I was born. They had 291 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: already had name record nition, which is one of the toughest, 292 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: most important things to get, and Coca Cola, of course 293 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: already had the copyright. So this polar bear that's showing 294 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: up in the pre wartime Coca Cola ads, and this 295 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 1: polar bear that's showing up in the German interwar and 296 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: wartime ads. Uh, it becomes this symbol for the aspirational 297 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: non wartime life, you know what I mean. Even though 298 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: there's death and destruction and fire raining down from the sky, 299 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: people get this comfort of warm, fuzzy feeling when they 300 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: pose with a drink and furry friend, whether a real 301 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: polar bear honestly dude in costume. I don't know if 302 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: you guys ever saw this. I may have sent it 303 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: to you before. One of my favorite ad campaigns of 304 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: the past several years is for an Egyptian cheese. It's 305 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: like made out of hesh. I can't remember what's called. Oh, 306 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: it's panda panda cheese. And the commercials are a series 307 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: of vignettes where there's a incredibly violent panda. Have you 308 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: seen these? I gotta send them. They're gonna make your day. Also, 309 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: Eden will love them because they're they're that kind of 310 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: anti humor that that the young folks dig. Oh yeah, 311 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: she's she's definitely an't got that absurdist sense of humor 312 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: for sure. So this polar bear I know we got 313 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: a little sidetracked into the story of Fanta, but don't 314 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: don't worry. We we are getting back to the polar bear. 315 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: And here's how, because you see, it turns out that 316 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: we as a species were very close to completely forgetting 317 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: the mysterious trend of polar bear photos in Germany. In fact, 318 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: this may have been lost to history entirely were it 319 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: not for a single French photo collector, yeah man by 320 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: the name of Jean Marie Donna Casey. Yeah, Casey on 321 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: the case. But I did an okay job to start with. 322 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: But it's nice to have It's nice to have confirmation, 323 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: Like Ronald Reagan said, trust but verify. Indeed, so this uh, 324 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: this photo collector started coming across these images. There were 325 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: tons of them, photos taken on the streets all around Germany, 326 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: particularly in the capital of Berlin, and he was fascinated 327 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,239 Speaker 1: by just how strange this whole phenomenon was and then 328 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: wanted to know why, you know, what was going on 329 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: here that led to this? So he knew there was 330 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: a bigger story, and he collected these photos in a 331 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: book called Teddy Bar No Teddy Beer because it's an 332 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: oom loud over day. So it's Teddy Beierre. So it 333 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: sounds like an Ikea product. It absolutely does. And Ben, 334 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: we were talking a little bit off air about how 335 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: kind of terrifying and surreal these photos are. Didn't age, Well, 336 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: it's weird because I'm I'm really into it and strange 337 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: We're doing an audio podcasts about this bear. The bear 338 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: costumes all looks sort of similar. But the thing that 339 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: makes it weird, I think, is that the bear has 340 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: beady little eyes. Clearly the person wearing the costume is 341 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: seen out of the mouth or maybe just under the jaw, 342 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: and the bear's mouth is always open with these prominent fangs. 343 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: So it's got like dead Kirsten dunn sties and it's 344 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: got this cavernous, carnivorous mouth. What do you have against 345 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: Kirston dunst Ees. Nothing. I just think the dead eyes. Yeah, 346 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: I don't think there's much feeling. I've never heard that 347 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: said before. I'll have to take a look next time 348 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: I watched one of her movies. I'm not saying it's 349 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: a bad thing. It's a great thing for an actor, 350 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: especially in interview with a vampire. That's true. That's true. 351 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: She was a creepy vampire child. But now there are 352 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: dozens of these photos and I highly recommend. There's an 353 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: article on Vice called Polar Bears and black Face. Jean 354 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: Marie donat Is collected over ten thousand creepy old photos. Actually, 355 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: Jean Marei donat Is interviewed for this piece. Yeah, and 356 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: I would say the polar bear photos or that collection, 357 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: I would say that's definitely the more comfortable of the two, agree, 358 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: because black face has such a is you know, black 359 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: faces and atrocity of course, of course, but that's also 360 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: a really interesting snapshot of Germany during a really surreal 361 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: and strange transitional period. Like some of these photos, for example, 362 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: there's one here I'm seeing with two Nazi s S 363 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: officers posing with a quite horrific bear. Um reminds me 364 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: of the dude and the dog costume and uh in 365 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: the shining a little bit. Yeah, there's there's also pictures 366 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: of children wearing Nazi regalia. There's one with a girl 367 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: who's sitting on a Polar bears lap, sort of the 368 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: way kids was sent on Santa's lap or the Easter 369 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: Bunny's lap. And also I have to wonder too, am 370 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: I the only one who thinks that all of those 371 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: old photos with animal costumes are creepy. I haven't seen 372 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: one that doesn't look creepy. Like have you ever seen 373 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: the old nineteen fifties pictures of the Easter bunny horrific 374 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: or even just Halloween costumes in general? They they look 375 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: very demonic and like the kind of thing you'd see 376 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: in like Texas chainsaw massacre or something. It's it's very, 377 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: very very unsettling stuff. And this book, which is a tome, 378 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: it's two hunter pages. It shows the bears with everyone 379 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: that we have mentioned, including the Nazi soldiers and stuff, 380 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: and the time frame of the book goes from about 381 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties to the nineteen sixties. There's also a 382 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: think piece from a philosopher named Klaus Peter Spadel who 383 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: adds some context to this, and he says that, well, well, 384 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: it's weird. He does. He does sort of a thought 385 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: exercise is probably the best way to describe it, where 386 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: he tries to imagine the perspective of the people in 387 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: the costumes, these German interwar elmos, that's kind of what 388 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: they were, you know what I mean? Like if you 389 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: go to Times Square in New York. They're all these 390 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: sketchy it's it's almost a trope here. There's sketchy elmos 391 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: that will come up to you, maybe smelling a booze 392 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: or maybe just trying to support their acting rears, and 393 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: they'll they'll try to get a picture with you and 394 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: charge you for Yeah. And some of the folks that 395 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: are in these uh, these costumes are really leaning into 396 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: like the I Am a polar bear vibe and they're 397 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: actually crawling on all fours and doing that kind of 398 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: gir tiger hand you know what I mean, that whole thing. Um. 399 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: Some of these are very very strange and uh and 400 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: disturbing images. But again, such a fascinating look into this 401 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: time period in this history. So we have one big 402 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: question though, whether it started due to Fanta or whether 403 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: it started due to the polar bears at the zoo. 404 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: I bet both played a role. Why did it stick 405 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: around for almost half a century? Like why why did 406 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: the polar bear thing become a thing? And then why 407 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: did it die when it did? I don't know. Germans 408 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: just in general are really fond of a good gimmick, 409 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, they have a hard time letting it go. 410 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: Um again from that from that wonderful German girl in 411 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: America blog. First of all, I love this polar bear 412 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: in German is ice ba e I s b a are. 413 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: And by the way, UM, one of those famous polar 414 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: bears at the Berlin Zoom who was absolutely beloved was 415 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: Canute the polar bear, who UM sadly died of a 416 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: mysterious autoimmune disease um that has only been known to 417 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: occur in humans, and this was only just recently solved. Yeah, 418 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: people identified with these creatures and anthropomorphized them to no 419 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: small degree, and so that was that was part of it. 420 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: This comfort right, who doesn't want to be friends with 421 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: a cool Ursus maritimus, which is the scientific name for 422 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: polar bear. I love that. And it's so crazy how 423 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: we can kind of track the specially thanks to the 424 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: exhaustive work done by um our photo collector friend or 425 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: not um. The last dated photo that we have of 426 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: of someone posing with the polar bear was at an 427 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: October fest from nineteen sixty two. Because this trend kind 428 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: of faded a and while we cannot concretely, definitively trace 429 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: the death of the polar bear photo trend to a 430 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: single cause, we do have one very very good guess, 431 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: and it goes back to technology. Just like we said 432 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: in the beginning, uh, cameras were very uncommon. They were 433 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: not a thing that the average person would have in 434 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: their wallet or in their satchel for their stick and 435 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: bindle their valise. I'm just naming old containers. They wouldn't 436 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: have a camera in their Cameras were specialized gear for 437 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: a certain trade. But by the nineteen sixties, cameras are 438 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: becoming more and more common. People have their own cameras. 439 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: They don't have to pay for souvenirs, you know. So 440 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: now these novelty photograph studios are having a tougher time. 441 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: Why would I pay three to five marks to stand 442 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: next to a polar bear when I have my own 443 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: camera and just take a picture of the kids and 444 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: the spouse by my health, That's absolutely true, um, And 445 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: I think one thing that is interesting to talk about 446 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: is the whole You know, people really have strong feelings 447 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: about zoos one way or the other. I tend to 448 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: be more okay with them if the animals couldn't survive 449 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: in the wild, which I have been told is the 450 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: case that the Atlanta Zoo for most of the animals 451 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: that are there, but apparently um. According to the German 452 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: Animal Welfare Association, polar bears shouldn't be kept in zoos 453 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: at all, largely because of how far they like to travel. Right. 454 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: Polar bears have a huge, huge range, a huge territory, 455 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: and that's how they evolved to survive. Do you want 456 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: to know what I think about zoos vampire rules? You 457 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: have to invite me in, uh and you have so 458 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: some people call zoo's animal jail. That's that's something that 459 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: I've heard here at the Atlanta Zoo. They do a 460 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: lot of good work, um, but there's there's a price 461 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: to pay. So the merchandise and stuff that they'll sell 462 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: at a lot of western zoos goes directly into conservation efforts. 463 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: For a time, I don't know if this is true anymore, 464 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: but for a time, the population of tigers in captivity 465 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: in Texas was larger than the population of tigers in 466 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: the wild across the planet. So wild animals may very 467 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: well be a thing of the past by the time 468 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: you have grandchildren, and you may be telling your grandkids, 469 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, once I saw a bear in the woods, 470 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: or I saw a turkey and it was a jerk, 471 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: and they'll be like, what an animal just walking around here? 472 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: Get out of here. That's like typing with your hands. 473 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: It's an old myth, and we do need zeos, But 474 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: there are also a lot of great conservationist organizations. Polar 475 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: bears are a special case because they're not only adapted 476 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: or acclimated to a huge swath of territory, it's also 477 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: a spece if a kind of territory, you know what 478 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean. Like we can take an animal that's used 479 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: to a more temperate climate and put it in a reserve, 480 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: a preserve of some sort, right, and it'll it will 481 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: adapt more easily than something that was bred to be 482 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: out in the waste lands of the frozen North. It's 483 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: a shame. You know. One interesting thing that is happening 484 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: though with polar bears they're breeding with grizzly bears as Yeah, 485 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: they're hybrid looking up where where they become beige. Yeah, 486 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: it's they're called piz les p i z z l 487 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: y plar grizzlies. Uh. They're huge and they kind of 488 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: look like they have ombre. Uh, you know the hair 489 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: thing where an ambre is like a hair thing where 490 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: the I guess the hair is lighter or darker. I'm 491 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: not a cosmotolic. I don't know. Man Um, they look 492 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: like they have weird highlights. Lick it up. It's it's interesting. 493 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: They kind of you. If you wanted to be negative, 494 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: you could say they look like dirty polar bears. Yeah, 495 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: it's negative, like dirty blonde. There we go, here we go. 496 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: What's their insting dirty blonde and strawberry blonde. I don't know. 497 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: I think strawberry blond's got a little bit more of 498 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: a of a highlight, like a fiery highlight to it, 499 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: and dirty blonde is a little more beige blonde. Interesting. Well, 500 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: today I learned something. Hopefully, Yeah, hopefully we ended on 501 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: a not too down note. Pisley's Uh, this this ends 502 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: our episode, but not our show. We want to hear 503 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: about more strange trends. So just to recap on the 504 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: things we asked to hear from you about today, we 505 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: had several deep dish pizza, uh, Philly cheese steaks in 506 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: philadelphiabably preferably, and uh. We want to hear also about 507 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: the strange historical trends that you have found that may 508 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: have been lost to the modern day. Polar bears in 509 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: Germany had no idea that was the thing same. You 510 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: can write to us at Ridiculous at I Heart radio 511 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: dot com. 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In between bouts of getting 520 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: kicked into and kicked out of various countries, communities and regions, 521 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: I am in a burst of creativity at ben Boland. 522 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: You can also find me on Twitter where I'm at 523 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: ben Bowland hs W. The h s W stands for 524 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: how Stuff Works. Big, big thanks to Casey Pegram Casey, 525 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: I can see you in the studio today. That's pretty cool. 526 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: We've got this window situation happening. Let's get that direct 527 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: eye contact. Yeah, yeah, it's true, it's true. Spoiled Thanks 528 00:31:50,440 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: also too, oh Man, I forgot yeah, it's time. Told 529 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: them then. I can't believe we almost made it to 530 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: the end. Jonathan Strickland aka The Quister. Actually, it's past time, 531 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: you jerks. It's just trying to just trying to barrel 532 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: through it. Now, are you what are you implying that 533 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: we like invite you to do this? You don't. I'm 534 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: sitting at the same table, and you're just thinking that 535 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: if we just if we just put our noses down, 536 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: surely and don't give him an opportunity. There's no way. 537 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: But Casey has the hook up, he has the button 538 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: that please the quiz to sound effect. Do it again 539 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: in case that's all, put it in the post. You 540 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: know this right, don't destroy the labouci is playing both sides. 541 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: I see you, man, see you. This eye contact studio 542 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: is a dangerous thing. Jonathan Strickland, a k a. The Quister. 543 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: It has been quite some time. We had a streak where, 544 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: for one reason or another, you weren't you weren't showing up, 545 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: You did not deign to grace us with your presence. 546 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: We were frequently in different time zones, yes, and then 547 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: now we are all together and because of that, this 548 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: this this sea of humanity within this increasingly stuffy studio. 549 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: We're going to have a quiz to segment the most 550 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: cringe worthy segment in all of podcasting, whereupon I give 551 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: you a historical scenario and you two have three minutes 552 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: to determine whether or not said scenario is in fact 553 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: a real historical fact or if I made it up. 554 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: Seas and also as all the ways, we have to 555 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: have an arbitrary rule in the in the case that 556 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: either of you have a question for me where you 557 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: want some clarification, I have a question, are you the 558 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: reason these studios are stuffy? That's the kind of low 559 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: level mischief I wouldn't put past. I will say that 560 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: I've been through the entire process where this studio was 561 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: like a deep freezer and then became stuffy, and the 562 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: other studio, the stuff you should know studio did the opposite. 563 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: So apparently, if one studio is going to be stuffy, 564 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: the other one is an ice box. Right. I would 565 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: describe the the thermostats in these rooms is ornamental. You 566 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: know what I mean? They look good? Yes, I would. 567 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: I would call the duct work arbitrary, which is why 568 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: I love it so much. Well, let me give you 569 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: the scenario. Then I will give you your arbitrary rule. 570 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: And as I recall today, you were talking about photography 571 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: and polar bears. Yes, that's correct, and thank you for 572 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: pronouncing that correctly. They're welcome. So we're going to have 573 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: a photography related historical fact here. You are, all right. 574 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: If you were to look at old photographs from the 575 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: very early days of photography, you notice something peculiar. Some 576 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: of those images appear to have both children and ghosts 577 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: in them, not orbs floating around or transparent figures looming 578 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: in the background, but rather the classic sheet ghost. Now, 579 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: this was due to a superstition that children would be 580 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: extremely so sceptible to having their spirits affected by the 581 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: strange process of photography. So to distract any potential malicious forces, 582 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: an adult would pose in the photo as well, ostensibly 583 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: to attract the evil attention towards them instead of the children. 584 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: But because the goal was to capture the photographs of 585 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: the children, not the adults, the adults would attempt to 586 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: hide themselves under sheets and throws so as not to 587 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: pull focus, so to speak, from the children themselves. Accent 588 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: is really wandering, well, so do I. So that is 589 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: your scenario, and of course your obitrary rule is that 590 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: if you wish to ask a question, you have to 591 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,959 Speaker 1: proceeded with can you picture that? From the Muppet movie? 592 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: Begin the time? Hang on? This is gonna take me 593 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: a second because the grandfather clocks in the other room. 594 00:35:53,680 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: Yeah this so um so? No, yes, how's it going? 595 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: It was? It's it's been better. Yeah, no, I hear 596 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: you man, Yeah, I mean you have to be you 597 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, I know, I know, I know. And plus 598 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: on top of that, this coffee machine we have now 599 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: it's the worst. Is the worst? Okay? Guys? Ready, yeah, 600 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: they do it? Okay, now you must what what's the 601 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: what's the rule? Sorry? Can you picture that? Can you 602 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: picture that? Yes? No? What was the It was the 603 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: actual query? The query is, is this, in fact a 604 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: real thing that happened whereat group deflection NINT children and 605 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: adults underneath these sheets posing together with the purpose of 606 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: the adults being there to pull the evil, malicious potential 607 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: spirits towards them instead of towards the child. Pull focus. 608 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: As you could not stop yourself from saying, so, they're ghosts, 609 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: They're they're the ghost. There's also a ghost in the picture. 610 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: It's just a person underneath a sheet. It looks like 611 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: a ghost. If we were to look at the photographs 612 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: in a series, if we had a scrap book of 613 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: these photographs and we were to flip through them, we'd say, 614 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: why are all these Victorian children posing with Charlie Brown 615 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: styled ghosts? I see, So it's another it's it's another 616 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: photographic trend if this is true. And still confused about 617 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: you said the children are hiding under sheets, so the 618 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: adults are hiding under the sheets. The children are posing, 619 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: so that so the adults are the ghost. Okay, I see, 620 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: and they're supposed to be kind of a paranormal lightning 621 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: rod right, that's a good, good way of putting it. 622 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: I should have written that part down. No, no, don't 623 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 1: worry about it, man, I'm just pretty great and humble. 624 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: So okay, So I don't like it, Ben, Yeah, I'm not. 625 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't like I do want to, real quick, give 626 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: a shout out to our friend on Ridiculous his storians 627 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: who actually added up the tally because I believe it's ten. Yeah, yeah, 628 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm aware. Uh heng on, let me find the name 629 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: of the guy real quick. Um but um, well, let 630 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: us know, we can't dig through the thread right now 631 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: because we're on this three minute timer, but let us 632 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: know who you are so we can give you a 633 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: shout out on air. Someone did go back through and 634 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: add this up. We're three behind. We also have fifty 635 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: three seconds to go here. I stand by not liking it. 636 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: What do you want to know? Why? Yeah? Yeah, I 637 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: don't know. I just it seems kind of arbitrary and 638 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: made up, and like he saw the episode we were 639 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: doing and just sort of like made up a similar scenario. Well, 640 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: he just saw the summary. That's why I didn't send them, 641 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: like all of our notes. What is your gut? What 642 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: is your gut? You know, I'm I'm tempted to say true, 643 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: but I'm very like at this point, I don't know. 644 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm so shell shocked. He actually showed up again too. 645 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: I thought we were done with him. All right, you 646 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: want to rock paper scissors for it? You're doing You're falsome? True? 647 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: One shot? All right? One to three shoot? Good audio. Okay, 648 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: So we're going with the coin flip situation. You're so 649 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: so incredibly confident of your answer. You're right. As it 650 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: turns out, it is in fact false. However, photographs do exist. 651 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: There are photographs of Victorian children posing with adults who 652 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: are underneath sheets, but it was not to pull focus 653 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: of some malicious So there's the lies the motivation exactly, 654 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: because why this was happening is that you remember an 655 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: old photography, the exposure time for a camera was incredibly long. 656 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: Do sit perfectly still, and that's why you don't see 657 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: people smiling in those old photographs, because holding a smile 658 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: that long is unnerving and unsettling at the best. Untrue. 659 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 1: They were just gangster. The smile was not invented until 660 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: everyone knows. Also, to another thing company is that that 661 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: children are little, tiny brats and they squirm like crazy 662 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: all the time. So in an effort to keep the 663 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: children from moving like crazy during a sitting for a photograph, 664 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: the adults would sometimes hide themselves underneath a sheet to 665 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: act as a reassuring presence towards the child for the 666 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: process of photography. There's actually an entire photographic display called 667 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: hidden Mothers, where it's moms who have been have a 668 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: sheet draped over them as if they are a chair 669 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: or perhaps an arm wak, a chaise lounge, an ottoman 670 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: from the empire, perhaps and the child is posing right 671 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: next to them. So now we're at thirteen eleven. Yeah 672 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: or too down. But and I hope you don't regret 673 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: showing up to hand this victory. This was a fun one. 674 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: I enjoyed learning about the hidden mothers, and so I 675 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: was very I debated on whether or not to give 676 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: you the real reason, but I thought that one's so mundane. 677 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: I was, you know, that's that's where I think, that's 678 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 1: where I was misled, because I knew that there was 679 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: this trend, but I was not certain of the motivation. 680 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: Authoritative you say, reassuring, but I think we both know 681 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: as an authoritative presence to keep them standing still. But 682 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: be that as it may, win or lose. It's always 683 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 1: a pleasure, uh slash disaster to have you on the show. 684 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, a k a. The Quister. It looks like 685 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: we're coming back, you know what I mean. We may 686 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: be able to turn this around. Yeah, and feel free 687 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: to come back again, you know, sooner than later, to 688 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: give us a chance to to to even the score. 689 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now we've got the taste of victory. So 690 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,800 Speaker 1: now we no longer hate them. Fear of this segment exactly. 691 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: You're telling me to bring it Yes, bring it on. 692 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: I think we made it almost all the way through. 693 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: We made through the social media bits, but uh, what's 694 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: that's the start? We think to Casey, because we think Casey, 695 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: and that's when that's when everything when everything be um big. 696 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: Thanks to Alex Williams, who composed our theme. Thanks to 697 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: Thanks thanks Jonathan um Christoper Raciots here in spirit, not 698 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: a ghostly presence, but more of a He's sort of 699 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: like Mufasa the Lion King. He gave us a cool 700 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: lead on exploding muffins recently. Thanks also to Eve's Jeff Coat. 701 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: Thanks to Gabe Louisier, our research associate who has such 702 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: a good nose for good stories he absolutely does. Thanks 703 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: to the Coca Cola company. Thanks to Anthropomorphized the Polar 704 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: Bears the world over love to see that trend to 705 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: come back. Maybe we could bring it back. What do 706 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: you say? Yeah, I'm in let's do it. I got 707 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: a friend who was in one of those Polar Bear outfits. 708 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: Tight see you next time, FOLX. 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