WEBVTT - What Comes After Gold, With Olympian Missy Franklin

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, slight changers. This summer, Pushkin is going to the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 1>Our friends across the Pushkin network are sharing all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of stories about one of the world's biggest sporting events.

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<v Speaker 1>They're talking to a coach who counsels all the Olympic coaches.

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<v Speaker 1>They're diving deep into the latest sports science, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>sharing the origin story of brands like Puma and Adidas.

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<v Speaker 1>Here at a slight change of plans. For the next

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks, we're going to be hearing from three Olympic

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<v Speaker 1>swimmers about how they handled some fascinating life transitions. I

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<v Speaker 1>really think you'll love this series. I hope you enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>it Pushkin.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember sitting behind the wheel just crying the entire

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<v Speaker 2>way to practice and just knowing that I was gonna go,

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<v Speaker 2>and that I was about to jump into a freezing

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<v Speaker 2>cold pool and swim for two hours and be disappointed

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<v Speaker 2>with how I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Swimmer Missy Franklin won four Olympic gold medals as a teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>but as she trained for her second Olympics, she found

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<v Speaker 1>herself unexpectedly struggling with so much to defend. The pool

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly felt like a pressure cooker.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not just a swim mate. This is who

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<v Speaker 2>I am. And if I don't do this, why am

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<v Speaker 2>I here? What is my worth? I have none if

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do this and do it well.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's episode, when the loss of an identity threatens

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<v Speaker 1>your self worth, I'm maya Shunker and this is a

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<v Speaker 1>slight change of plans, a show about who we are

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<v Speaker 1>and who we become in the face of a big change.

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<v Speaker 1>At just seventeen years old, Missy Franklin was laser focused

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<v Speaker 1>on qualifying for the twenty twelve Olympics in London. This

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<v Speaker 1>dream was years in the making. From the time Missy

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<v Speaker 1>was a little kid, swimming had been at the center

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<v Speaker 1>of her life.

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<v Speaker 2>I got into the water because my mom never learned

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<v Speaker 2>how to swim, and she didn't want to pass that

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<v Speaker 2>fear down on to me, and she signed us up

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<v Speaker 2>for a mommy and me class at our local YMCA

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<v Speaker 2>when I was six months old, and I was that

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<v Speaker 2>baby that was getting dunked under and coming back up,

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<v Speaker 2>just laughing and loving every second of it. And so

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<v Speaker 2>even though to some it seems crazy to be training

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<v Speaker 2>for an Olympics at seventeen, to me, I was just

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<v Speaker 2>doing what I loved every single day, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>hard work, but I never saw anything I did as

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<v Speaker 2>sacrifice because it was my goal and it was my dream.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't concerned about other people's expectations. I wasn't concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about what other people wanted me to achieve. I had

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<v Speaker 2>my own dreams, my own goals, and I was focused

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<v Speaker 2>on those. So in twenty twelve, that's just what I

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<v Speaker 2>was working towards every single day.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned that you never thought of your commitment as

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifice because you loved it so much. Share a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about what that commitment looked like. What was your

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<v Speaker 1>everyday life like in the lead up to twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd practice Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, so that means swimming twice,

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<v Speaker 2>once in the morning, once in the afternoon, each for

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<v Speaker 2>about two hours, and then we'd have single swim sessions

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. But I don't think people

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<v Speaker 2>can sometimes totally comprehend the fact that it is a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four to seven job because everything needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>supported by everything you're doing outside of that space as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's your sleep, it's your nutrition, it's your recovery.

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<v Speaker 2>And then also I was seventeen years old, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to high school.

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<v Speaker 3>I was still in school every.

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<v Speaker 2>Single day, and then traveling and doing different promos for

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<v Speaker 2>the United States Olympic and Paralympic Committee and NBC and

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<v Speaker 2>traveling for different meats preparing leading up to that summer.

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<v Speaker 2>But it sounds like a lot. It was also all

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<v Speaker 2>that I knew, So to me, that was just life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, tell me a bit more about where your head

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<v Speaker 1>was at as you were you were prepping for London,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's wow, like maybe these big dreams of mine

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<v Speaker 1>can actually come true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I think heading into London, my goal truly

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<v Speaker 2>was to make the team, like that was really all

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<v Speaker 2>that I had set on myself. And if you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to any swimmer, they will tell you that Olympic trials

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<v Speaker 2>is infinitely more intense and more pressure filled than the

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<v Speaker 2>actual Olympics themselves, because once you made the team, you

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<v Speaker 2>made it right, you're an Olympian, Like you get to

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<v Speaker 2>be an Olympian for the rest of your life. But

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<v Speaker 2>our races come down to hundreds of a second, and

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<v Speaker 2>so there's no room for or mistake, there's no room

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<v Speaker 2>for air. You might get sick, you might get injured,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you have a bad sleep the night before, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many variables that could impact these singular eight

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<v Speaker 2>days that you have to make an Olympic team.

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<v Speaker 1>You had mentioned to me that you didn't feel the pressure,

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<v Speaker 1>the weight of other people's expectations at this stage, and

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<v Speaker 1>so was that partly why you were able to be

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<v Speaker 1>cool and collected during those trials.

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of it was just the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fact that I was seventeen and I was naive, and

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<v Speaker 2>that just absolutely played to my advantage of again, I

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<v Speaker 2>was just out there doing what I loved.

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<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, Missy, your performance in those games was

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<v Speaker 1>just absolutely unreal. Do you mind sharing your accomplishments?

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<v Speaker 2>So after Olympic trials, I had qualified for my first

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic Games and seven events, and then actually arriving in London,

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<v Speaker 2>being in the village and getting to walk onto the

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic pool deck for the first time, all of it

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<v Speaker 2>was just so surreal. I ended up walking away from

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<v Speaker 2>those games with four gold medals, one bronze, and two

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<v Speaker 2>world records.

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<v Speaker 1>So astonishing to hear those words like I know that,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that, but just to like hear that is insane.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like oh yeah, I forgot about the bronze ones

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and like the world records And is there

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<v Speaker 1>any specific memory you have from those games and your celebrations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my gosh, And it has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with a single one of those medals. The night that

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<v Speaker 2>I had won my first gold medal, I was still

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<v Speaker 2>writing such a high from that whole evening and just

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<v Speaker 2>everything that came with it. And we were at the

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<v Speaker 2>warm up pool in the village and I checked my

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<v Speaker 2>phone and I had a tweet from Justin Bieber, and

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<v Speaker 2>I lost my mind. Like if you can just imagine

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<v Speaker 2>like seventeen year old Missy like running circles around the

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<v Speaker 2>pool in the middle of the Olympic village, just like

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<v Speaker 2>screaming like a little girl that she'd gotten a tweet

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<v Speaker 2>from Justin Bieber. Like it just was like the perfect

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<v Speaker 2>example of again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I was so happy to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't believe I was accomplishing those things, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was also just a seventeen year old girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So I want to talk about the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 1>your success, because sometimes we don't pay enough attention to

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<v Speaker 1>what follows these massive, epic, life changing wins. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you come back to the US and your four time

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<v Speaker 1>gold medalist, Missy Franklin. You immediately go back to training

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<v Speaker 1>and preparing for now the twenty sixteen Olympic Games. And

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<v Speaker 1>as you started to train for those, you began to

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<v Speaker 1>face some new challenges. Do you mind telling me a

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<v Speaker 1>bit about those?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's funnily enough.

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<v Speaker 2>What a lot of people don't understand is that as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as an Olympic Games is so, we might take

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks off, but the next summer for

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<v Speaker 2>US is World Championships, and so we get right back

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<v Speaker 2>into training because we have a really serious meet again

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<v Speaker 2>next summer. And so I remember particularly coming back from

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<v Speaker 2>London and thinking that I wanted to prove that I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just a one hit wonder. That I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Worlds in twenty thirteen and have an unbelievable

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<v Speaker 2>performance almost to back London up in a way, to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of prove that I can do this again. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I worked so hard that year, which was my

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<v Speaker 2>senior year of high school, ended up going to Worlds.

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<v Speaker 2>I won six gold medals at World Championships, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was just like again a dream experience. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>went to college so I swam for two years at

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<v Speaker 2>the University of California, Berkeley, and then I turned professional

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fifteen leading up to the twenty sixteen Olympic

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<v Speaker 2>Games in Rio, and I would say that that was

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<v Speaker 2>when they really changed for me. I was at that

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<v Speaker 2>point twenty years old, so I was still very young,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was.

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<v Speaker 3>No longer naive. I was no longer a rookie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so hard getting to the top, but it's even

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<v Speaker 2>harder staying there. And now I did have those expectations

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<v Speaker 2>and that pressure, and then you add new sponsors on

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<v Speaker 2>top of that, and swimming now becoming my job as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to just something that I love and enjoy. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that for me is what completely changed my mindset,

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<v Speaker 2>and I lost all sense of balance during that time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I got in the mindset for Rio that

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<v Speaker 2>in order for me to be the best I'd ever been,

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to just commit and devote myself fully to

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<v Speaker 2>my sport.

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<v Speaker 3>I think for some athletes.

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<v Speaker 2>It works to completely devote themselves to their sport and

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<v Speaker 2>to not have balance in their life, just to be

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<v Speaker 2>they live and they breathe their sport, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>what works for them. I learned in that period that

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<v Speaker 2>that is not something that worked for me. When swimming

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<v Speaker 2>became my whole world, it also became my whole identity,

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<v Speaker 2>and so bad practices, bad races I began equating with

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<v Speaker 2>bad sense of self and self worth and self esteem,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it was such a hard time for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was very, very lonely, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I started to feel the world's pressure on me as

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<v Speaker 2>well that not only was I expected to make the team,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was expected to go back to Rio and

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<v Speaker 2>have an even better performance there than I did in London.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it now like day to day as your training?

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<v Speaker 2>It was so hard for me, Maya, because there were

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<v Speaker 2>days that I was so confused because I had never

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<v Speaker 2>felt like this before. So there were mornings where my

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<v Speaker 2>alarm would go off at four forty five. I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>getting up on my way to practice, but I remember

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<v Speaker 2>sitting behind the wheel just crying the entire way to

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<v Speaker 2>practice and just knowing that I was going to go

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<v Speaker 2>and that I was about to jump into a freezing

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<v Speaker 2>cold pool and swim for two hours and be disappointed

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<v Speaker 2>with how I did. But I was going to do

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<v Speaker 2>it anyway because I felt like I had no choice.

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<v Speaker 1>I've read that when people had asked young Missy, like

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen year old Missy, what advice do you have for

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<v Speaker 1>people who don't want to go to practice or are

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<v Speaker 1>struggling with their motivation, you would cheepishly be like, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never really had that problem. Yeah, I just love going

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<v Speaker 1>to the pool, and I actually don't face those motivational

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<v Speaker 1>challenges because this is the thing that I'm so passionate about.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so funny to me that I was put

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<v Speaker 2>in those situations, and I would always feel so horrible

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<v Speaker 2>when I would have young athletes come up and ask

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<v Speaker 2>what to do in periods of plateau or when they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't feeling motivated.

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<v Speaker 3>And I would have nothing to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I had truly just always been so happy and enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>the sports so much. And the amount of other swimmers

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<v Speaker 2>that would come up to me after they had gotten

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<v Speaker 2>to know me that told me we thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>an act, Like we thought that it was all for

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<v Speaker 2>the media, that it was all like that you just

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<v Speaker 2>love like we didn't believe that someone could actually love

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<v Speaker 2>this sport that much. And now that we know you,

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<v Speaker 2>we see that it's real and it's authentic and you

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<v Speaker 2>actually love swimming as much as you say you do

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<v Speaker 2>with that.

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<v Speaker 3>And that completely disappeared. Leading up to Rio.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I became so focused on the expectation and

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<v Speaker 2>I put so much pressure on myself that swimming very

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly became not fun for me.

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<v Speaker 1>What was what was happening to your mental health around

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<v Speaker 1>this time?

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think I really realized what was happening

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<v Speaker 2>because I had never experienced anything like this, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it was months and months and months before I think

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<v Speaker 2>it finally hit me that this is something bigger, like

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<v Speaker 2>something much deeper is going on here that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to name, I don't know how to diagnose.

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<v Speaker 2>All I know is that I am deeply, deeply unhappy

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<v Speaker 2>and feel very alone and very sad. And so it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't until I think around March or April of twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>so that is I mean, months before, months before Olympic trials,

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<v Speaker 2>where I finally called a meeting with my swim coach

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<v Speaker 2>and my strength and conditioning coach and I just looked

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<v Speaker 2>at them and I said, something is wrong, like something

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<v Speaker 2>is very wrong. And I had been trying to push

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<v Speaker 2>through it. I had been trying to pretend that it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't there. And that's why I'm not a fan of

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<v Speaker 2>the phrase fake it till you make it, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think that can lead to tendencies of repressing things as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to truly addressing them. And I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>fake it at practice. I was trying to fake it

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<v Speaker 2>at competitions that I was confident, that I was calm,

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<v Speaker 2>that everything was going to be okay, but my mind knew,

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<v Speaker 2>and if your mind knows, your body knows. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was just fighting it constantly, and the exhaustion was unlike

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<v Speaker 2>anything I had ever felt before in my life, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course that was inhibiting my performance. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>sat down with them and they immediately got me into

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<v Speaker 2>a primary care doctor, to a sports psychologist, and I

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<v Speaker 2>got immediately diagnosed with depression, insomnia, anxiety, and an eating

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<v Speaker 2>disorder as well, which was something that I knew I

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<v Speaker 2>had been battling for several months, but to actually put

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<v Speaker 2>a name to it, I think was really really tough,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was so overwhelming, Maya, to get all of

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<v Speaker 2>that at one time, and to think that I literally

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<v Speaker 2>had months when people were expecting me to be the

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<v Speaker 2>best I had ever been, and I had never felt

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<v Speaker 2>further from that.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder was there ever a script that was playing

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<v Speaker 1>in your mind or a certain kind of rumination pattern

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<v Speaker 1>that you felt yourself falling into.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think that rumination and that pattern

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<v Speaker 2>was just negative self talk. It kind of dawned on

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<v Speaker 2>me that I hadn't said something kind to myself in months,

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<v Speaker 2>that I hadn't said something encouraging to myself. And for

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<v Speaker 2>those that know me, I am the most positive, optimistic

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<v Speaker 2>person that you will ever meet. And that person was gone.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's so crazy to think that she fully disappeared

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<v Speaker 2>before I even realized she was fading.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just such a stark contrast. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's that double edged sword of the elite athlete mentality

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<v Speaker 2>of you just keep going and you just figure it out,

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<v Speaker 2>like we're just we have that mindset to keep pushing

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<v Speaker 2>and to keep moving forward.

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<v Speaker 3>But when that comes to mental health.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that can be so damaging because if

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<v Speaker 2>you're pushing through that and not addressing it, it's only

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<v Speaker 2>going to get harder to deal with as time goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>Because in my case, the problems were just getting more severe.

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<v Speaker 1>And what kinds of things would you say to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my berating of myself really came down to

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<v Speaker 2>not believing I had any worth outside of what I

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<v Speaker 2>could do in a pool. So if I wasn't capable

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<v Speaker 2>of breaking world records and winning gold medals, why was

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<v Speaker 2>I here? You know, what other purpose did I serve

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<v Speaker 2>other than to do what I was put on this

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<v Speaker 2>earth to do, which in my mind was to swim

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That was it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I had ever known since I was so young,

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<v Speaker 2>and all I had ever known was that success. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think it really just came down to not understanding

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<v Speaker 2>or not knowing what my worth was.

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<v Speaker 3>If it wasn't in the pool.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think gave rise to the eating disorder

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<v Speaker 1>in particular? Tell me a bit more about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I think, with my self worth being the lowest

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<v Speaker 2>it had ever been in and again, feeling so out

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<v Speaker 2>of control, I turned to the one thing I felt

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<v Speaker 2>like I could control, which was my nutrition and my body.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, of course it's a tough scenario as an

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<v Speaker 2>adolescent female to be in anyway, right, being in a

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<v Speaker 2>swimsuit in front of so many people and trying to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with that. And I think when I was younger

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<v Speaker 2>and growing up, I really had this respect for my

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<v Speaker 2>body that I couldn't do what I did in the

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<v Speaker 2>water without my body, without my broad shoulders, without being

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<v Speaker 2>six ' to two, without having size twelve feet. It

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<v Speaker 2>allowed me to accomplish the things that I accomplished, but

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<v Speaker 2>then when I stopped accomplishing those, it was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>then what is this body worth. It's not helping me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not aiding me, So it doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 2>like this. So I got so restrictive in my intake calorically,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it had a huge impact on my performance.

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<v Speaker 3>And here I am training.

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<v Speaker 2>Two to four hours a day, eating barely enough calories.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know how I was doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so all those diagnoses were just so hard because

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't have time to go to the foundation and

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<v Speaker 2>systemically fix the problem, like we were trying to put

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<v Speaker 2>a band aid over a gaping wound that needed staples.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a few months away from needing to compete in Rio,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just compete, defend your titles, defend your your ranking,

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<v Speaker 1>your reputation in the world of swimming. What did that

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<v Speaker 1>version of bandating look like?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So, well, the other piece of all of this is

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<v Speaker 2>that I actually did sustain a physical injury in April,

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<v Speaker 2>So I injured my shoulder in April, and again that

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<v Speaker 2>was something that we didn't have time to fix. And

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<v Speaker 2>so at that point, I'm just distraught, like I'm now

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<v Speaker 2>emotionally and physically so far away from where I need

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<v Speaker 2>to be. So my band aid solution was immediately getting

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<v Speaker 2>in with the sports psychologist, a nutritionist, and a physical therapist,

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<v Speaker 2>and those three were there to just do what they could.

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<v Speaker 2>Before Olympic trials, we had, you know, eight to twelve

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<v Speaker 2>weeks of time to work with to try and get

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<v Speaker 2>me in the best position possible. And I think we

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<v Speaker 2>all knew going into it that I was nowhere near

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent, but I was at the percentage I

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<v Speaker 2>was at, and that was all that I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to give. And I remember going into Olympic

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<v Speaker 2>Trials just being absolutely terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you find yourself having to do some of these hacky,

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<v Speaker 1>fake it till you make it type strategies just to

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<v Speaker 1>get by during that time?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>And what did that look like?

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<v Speaker 2>It was just the big old miss you smile. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was the first time in my life that it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't genuine but I was trying to put that smile

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<v Speaker 2>on for everyone else. I was trying to be that happy,

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<v Speaker 2>bubbly seventeen year old that they all remembered and were

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<v Speaker 2>expecting me to be, even though I had probably never

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<v Speaker 2>felt further from her in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just didn't want to let people down.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I remember going into trials not out of

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<v Speaker 2>joy or excitement and love for the sport, but just

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<v Speaker 2>being absolutely terrified that I wasn't going to do what

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<v Speaker 2>was expected of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And how did the trials go?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so definitely off to a rocky start for trials

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<v Speaker 2>for Rio. I failed to make the team in the

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<v Speaker 2>event that I was the reigning Olympic champion in from

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, and not even that, I mean I got seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's only eight people in a heat, so I

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<v Speaker 2>almost got dead.

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<v Speaker 3>Last in my heat.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember going back to my hotel room that

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<v Speaker 2>night and sobbing, like just absolu, like I felt embarrassed,

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<v Speaker 2>like I felt ashamed. I was just holding so much,

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<v Speaker 2>and I kind of just gave myself talk in the

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<v Speaker 2>hotel room of you know, you can pack up and

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<v Speaker 2>leave right now, like you can get on a flight

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<v Speaker 2>and you can go home, but you will never forgive

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<v Speaker 2>yourself like you can do that. Or you can go

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<v Speaker 2>out and you can finish this swim meet, and it

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<v Speaker 2>may continue to be embarrassing. You may not make this

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic team. You may be more heartbroken and disappointed than

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<v Speaker 2>you've ever been, but it would be nothing compared to

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't try.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back in a moment with a slight change

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<v Speaker 1>of plans. Despite a disappointing performance at the twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic Trials, Missy still qualified to compete for the US.

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<v Speaker 1>She would swim in three events in Rio. The night

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<v Speaker 1>before her first event, Missy and her teammates celebrated at

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<v Speaker 1>the opening ceremony, but when she returned back to her

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<v Speaker 1>room in the Olympic village, she was hit with an

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelming sense of dread.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember calling my parents the night before the meat started,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was crying so hard I could barely breathe.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember my dad, in particular, just repeating over and

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<v Speaker 2>over again. He was like, honey, it is just a

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<v Speaker 2>swim meat. It is just a swim meat. And I, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't like comprehend what he was saying. And

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<v Speaker 2>I knew what he was trying to do, but in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind, like it was so much more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm hearing from you is that your dad's telling you, Missy,

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<v Speaker 1>this is just a swim meet, and you're thinking, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my opportunity to defend my existence on the

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<v Speaker 1>planet Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Yes, I'm like, this is not just a swim mate.

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<v Speaker 2>This is who I am. And if I don't do this,

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<v Speaker 2>why am I here?

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<v Speaker 3>What is my worth?

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<v Speaker 2>I have none if I can't do this and do

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<v Speaker 2>it well. And so the next eight days were so tough.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't make the top eight in any of my

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<v Speaker 2>individual events. I swam on the morning prelims relay of

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<v Speaker 2>the eight hundred freestyle relay, and my time was not

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<v Speaker 2>fast enough to put me on the finals relay.

0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 3>But the way that.

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<v Speaker 2>Swimming works is if you are a prelim swimmer on

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<v Speaker 2>a relay, even if you aren't in the group of

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<v Speaker 2>four that wins the medal in finals, you still get

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 2>that medal. So I still won a gold medal because

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<v Speaker 2>my amazing teammates were able to bring home the golds

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:39.120
<v Speaker 2>in the eight hundred freestyle relay in Rio. I watched

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<v Speaker 2>them do it in a beam bag chair on TV

0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 2>from the village, and that was how I won my

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:49.879
<v Speaker 2>fifth gold medal. That whole competition for me, truly was

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<v Speaker 2>just survival.

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<v Speaker 1>I've looked back at footage and I've read interviews from

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<v Speaker 1>that time, and Missy, I feel like you could hold

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<v Speaker 1>a master class in the art of graciousness in face

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<v Speaker 1>of defeat and failure and lost. It was so inspiring

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<v Speaker 1>for me to see how you engaged with your teammates,

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<v Speaker 1>with the press, with everyone that week. I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>we all aspire as human beings to act like that

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<v Speaker 1>when we lose.

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<v Speaker 3>That means so much to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Truly, that is the highest compliment I can I could

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<v Speaker 2>ever ask to receive, and that was what I decided

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<v Speaker 2>to do there is I realized very quickly that I

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<v Speaker 2>was not going to be an inspiration like I was

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<v Speaker 2>in London by winning gold medals and breaking world records.

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<v Speaker 2>I had always talked about the kind of person I

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:47.639
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be in defeat, and now was my chance

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:48.880
<v Speaker 2>to prove it and.

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:50.880
<v Speaker 3>To actually be that person.

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>And if there was anything I could walk away being

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<v Speaker 2>proud of from those eight days, I wanted it to

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<v Speaker 2>be how I handled myself outside of the pool.

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<v Speaker 1>So you wrap up a very challenging week in Rio

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 1>and you fly home. What were the days and weeks

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 1>like after?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's hard to put into words.

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<v Speaker 2>I was feeling so many different emotions and just ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>just sadness and disappointment. We got home, and we landed

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<v Speaker 2>back in the US and back in Colorado, and we

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<v Speaker 2>were driving home and as we pulled into my neighborhood

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<v Speaker 2>and pulled up to my house, all the kids of

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<v Speaker 2>the neighborhood were standing there with signs and they had

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<v Speaker 2>made cut out hearts and they had all written ways

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<v Speaker 2>that I had inspired them in Rio, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>put them all over my yard. And I remember just

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 2>like completely breaking down in that moment and realizing who

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<v Speaker 2>you are and what you do outside of the competition

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 2>space can actually have a significantly bigger impact than what

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<v Speaker 2>you do inside of it. And I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>step one of the healing process, because I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I believed that at the time of myself, but just

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<v Speaker 2>to know that other people did, and to be surrounded

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<v Speaker 2>by that much love and grace and compassion was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>was so beautiful and so moving. I went back to

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<v Speaker 2>college I immediately got bilateral shoulder surgery and then started

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<v Speaker 2>working with a therapist, immediately started meeting once a week,

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<v Speaker 2>super regular in person. I wanted it to be true

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<v Speaker 2>therapy and not just sports psychology, because I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>my issues kind of stemmed deeper than just sports, and

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<v Speaker 2>how it had rooted into every aspect of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, what an important realization to thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that reflects something like even symbolically, which

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<v Speaker 1>is so important, which is given again that your identity

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<v Speaker 1>had been so tether to being a swimmer. What that

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<v Speaker 1>tells me is that you were interested in treating not

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<v Speaker 1>just Missy the athlete for the sake of improved performance,

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<v Speaker 1>but Missy the person.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a beautiful way of putting it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever looked at it that way,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did understand that it was Missy the person

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<v Speaker 2>that was the most broken. And so it was a long,

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<v Speaker 2>long process. I, emotionally and mentally, over time, was able

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<v Speaker 2>to heal and learn and grow and get into a

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<v Speaker 2>place where, maybe for the first time in my life,

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<v Speaker 2>I understood that what I could do in a pool

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<v Speaker 2>has nothing to do with who I am as a

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<v Speaker 2>person and my self worth and my value and what

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<v Speaker 2>I have to offer, and I began to see myself

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<v Speaker 2>as more than just the swimmer and everything that came

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<v Speaker 2>along with that. And it was so incredibly freeing and

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<v Speaker 2>powerful to experience that. And then I dreamed of this amazing, epic,

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<v Speaker 2>incredible comeback, and unfortunately the physical injuries just wouldn't let

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<v Speaker 2>it it happen. Getting to that place from the mental

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<v Speaker 2>standpoint and then physically not being able to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>compete when I felt like I was ready, like I

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<v Speaker 2>could and like I wanted to was devastating.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can feel the intoxication of an epic comeback

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<v Speaker 1>and what a satisfying narrative that would be. How did

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<v Speaker 1>you handle the disappointment of because what I'm hearing from

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<v Speaker 1>you is that you put in all the mental labor

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<v Speaker 1>to get yourself back to a healthier place, but your

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<v Speaker 1>body wasn't cooperating right, Your shoulder injury was not improving,

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<v Speaker 1>And so how did you handle that frustration.

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<v Speaker 3>As an elite athlete?

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<v Speaker 2>And I just think as a person, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't even have to be an athlete when your body

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<v Speaker 2>is inhibiting you from doing something you feel trapped, you

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<v Speaker 2>feel angry, you feel frustrated, because in my mind, there

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<v Speaker 2>was nothing from a physical standpoint that I couldn't push through.

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<v Speaker 2>And I tried so hard and I did everything possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a conversation that I had with my

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<v Speaker 2>now husband at the time, and he said, honey, I

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<v Speaker 2>want you to be able to throw our kids up

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<v Speaker 2>in the air one day without pain. Like That's what

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<v Speaker 2>he was thinking of, and he knew those were my

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<v Speaker 2>priorities as well. I truly just came to that realization

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<v Speaker 2>that even if I went through everything that my surgeons

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<v Speaker 2>were suggesting, I didn't think I was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>at the place I needed to be to compete at

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<v Speaker 2>my best and represent my country in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>I was truly proud of. Because I knew that if

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<v Speaker 2>I continued to go down this road, which was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be more surgeries, more recoveries, more intensity, with an

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<v Speaker 2>Olympics right around the corner, that I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>start to lose that mental and emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>State that I had worked so hard to gain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and catch me up on life today. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have so many identities that you carry. You're a wife,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a mother, you're a podcaster, you're an advocate. What

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<v Speaker 1>is your relationship with swimming like today?

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<v Speaker 2>So I do have a beautiful relationship with swimming now,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm very thankful for. I still work heavily with

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<v Speaker 2>the USA Swimming Foundation, which is the philanthropic side of

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<v Speaker 2>USA Swimming. So giving back to the sport is incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>important to me because it gave me so much, and

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<v Speaker 2>so being able to give back working with the Foundation

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<v Speaker 2>providing free and low costs from lessons to communities that

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<v Speaker 2>need is just a huge piece of what I do

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<v Speaker 2>to stay involved in the sport. I also recently started

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast with my Olympic teammate Katie Hoff, and we

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<v Speaker 2>are so thankful to be involved in the sport in

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<v Speaker 2>that way and to have these amazing conversations with not

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<v Speaker 2>just swimmers but athletes about the true, vulnerable moments of

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<v Speaker 2>what it is that we do and what we've learned

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<v Speaker 2>from it, and how we can share that with one

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<v Speaker 2>another to help each other grow. So that's been a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful way to stay involved. And my coach would always

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<v Speaker 2>say that swimming is the only sport that will save

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<v Speaker 2>your life and that you can do for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of your life. I just know it's just like a

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<v Speaker 2>very old friend. Even if I go a while without

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<v Speaker 2>talking to it, I know that the second I get

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<v Speaker 2>back in, it's going to be like no time at.

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<v Speaker 3>All has passed.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, thanks so much for listening. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear more conversations about what goes on inside the minds

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<v Speaker 1>of elite athletes, Missy has a podcast of her own

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<v Speaker 1>called Unfiltered Waters. We'll link to it in the show notes,

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<v Speaker 1>and next week join me for my conversation with Paralympic

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<v Speaker 1>gold medalist and US Navy veteran Brad Snyder. After a

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<v Speaker 1>bomb left him blind, Brad found healing in the swimming pool.

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<v Speaker 4>Getting into the pool was the first time I felt

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<v Speaker 4>like I could wrap my arms around normal. This was me.

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<v Speaker 4>I was free, and I felt there's a future here

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to find my way and it was

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<v Speaker 4>the beginning of a real, incredible journey.

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