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Speaker 6: Welcome into another episode of Stupidity, the biggest podcast in

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Speaker 6: some point. According to mikey A, you.

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Speaker 7: Know when this happens, you're gonna you're gonna be like wow.

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Speaker 7: Mikey was right, because I feel like I'm almost getting

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Speaker 7: mocked every time you say that.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if people feel like they're paying for

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Speaker 2: I am here to tell you that you were not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even getting paid for this, Okay.

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Speaker 6: It's been a frustration for me for nearly one hundred

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Speaker 6: and fifty episodes.

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Speaker 2: Now, as we turned out a third this week, mikey A,

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Speaker 2: I told you there would be three episodes this week,

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Speaker 2: and I delivered it. How about this, We already have

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Speaker 2: an episode on Monday. I mean no, I'm I'm four.

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Speaker 7: This is this is four episodes in a week's time,

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Speaker 7: and I don't know what to do. I'm I'm actually working.

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Speaker 2: This is weird. What were your takeaways? The Knicks didn't

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Speaker 2: do anything yesterday. You and I are big Knicks fans.

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Speaker 2: If the Knicks didn't get a big win last night,

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Speaker 2: the Heat the Knicks, now, excuse me, with a better

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Speaker 2: in the Eastern Conference standards? They have to check this out.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, Like, before I get to your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: NBA free agency, you and I are you and I

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Speaker 2: are very very excited. The Knicks now twenty three and

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Speaker 2: Thanks Mike, they would play the Charlotte Hornets or Buddy

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Speaker 2: Cody Zeller without LaMelo Ball. I mean, things are looking

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Speaker 6: Were your thoughts your takeaways from a free agency yesterday?

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Speaker 6: It was very active, man crazy, Well.

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Speaker 7: The Knicks didn't get worse, and that's that's good, because,

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Speaker 6: Here's the other kind of takeaways, at least for me,

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Speaker 6: If the Nets are healthy, it doesn't matter what anyone

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I just.

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Speaker 7: Want to know how you were around Mike Ryan, How

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Speaker 7: insefferable was he after the old depot move.

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Speaker 6: So we'll have a little we'll have a little trade

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Speaker 6: deadline roundtable here. I was not with Mike, so I

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Speaker 2: That was the better move than the Ola Depot trade.

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Speaker 2: Mark it down, I guarantee you, because these three are dorks, man,

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Speaker 6: So I was not around Mike when when when the

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Speaker 6: I will also tell you that we should be thankful

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Speaker 7: Guarantee you he complains about the foul.

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Speaker 6: Someone well, I shouldn't say that because it mean doesn't

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Speaker 2: It's Damian Lillard, Dude, he's earned that. Faul. Like, if listen,

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Speaker 6: Off the front rim, that means someone messed with Lillard. Okay,

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Speaker 6: someone like touched the ol. Lillard doesn't do that.

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Speaker 2: And then I think of the West. It's pretty it's

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Speaker 6: Lebron, Anthony Davis, they're healthy, they'll probably make it to

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Speaker 2: Although I do like what the Nuggets did with that said,

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Speaker 2: let's bring in our panel here, little NBA Trade deadline

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Speaker 2: panel mikey A on stupidity. Not what we normally do,

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Speaker 6: We'll figure out a way to make it fun and funny,

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Speaker 6: bring in Mike Ryan, Tom Haberstrow and Aminel has special

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Speaker 6: Tom Haberstrow as well. Mike Ryan's with us right now,

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Speaker 6: mikey A with us, mikey A. We were pulling off

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Speaker 7: I I'm floored. I didn't believe in you at all

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Speaker 6: And you had every right to not believe in me.

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Speaker 6: Mike Ryan is with us. Mike So yesterday when we

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Speaker 6: when we signed off, they got that bej Liika guy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce his last name, Blitza.

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Speaker 8: And I like that he didn't he didn't blink when

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Speaker 8: but he very clearly wanted to come to Miami, and

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Speaker 8: think it's a coincidence that Tyler Hero had one of

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Speaker 5: Played ten games this season.

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Speaker 2: A Bradley was gonna be up to the heat. You

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Speaker 8: I thought precious to Chua. That draft pick has turned

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Speaker 8: beat that up. They've made some other moves. I'm not

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Speaker 8: sure how much Trevor Reza has in the tank. He

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Speaker 8: gets the foul ticky tack foul last night.

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Speaker 2: Was a foul. Come it was a foul. Don't give

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Speaker 2: me ticky tack foul. He was all over his elbow.

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Speaker 5: Come on, No, he wasn't. He wasn't.

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Speaker 8: Look he touched his forearm, I'll admit that, But it

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Speaker 8: didn't affect the shot, and for me, if you're going

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Speaker 8: to call a follow through foul in that situation, you

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Speaker 8: got a land underneath the guy. It's got to be

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Speaker 8: a little bit more obvious than just tapping the form,

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Speaker 8: like what are you supposed to do there? It's a

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Speaker 8: shame because Bam out of Bio that's one of the

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Speaker 8: best games I've ever seen Bam out of Bio play.

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Speaker 2: It was great.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and Tyler Tyler hero is phenomenal. And I would

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Speaker 8: be max cocky, but I'm feeling pretty good right now

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Speaker 8: because I'm sure you've all seen the photo shops right now.

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Speaker 8: Just from a rotation standpoint, the Miami Heat have improved

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Speaker 8: see if it's enough to make it back to the

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Speaker 8: NBA Finals.

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Speaker 6: They're a whole lot better the Eastern Conference, in large

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Speaker 7: D You're welcome that you're welcome ship out of here,

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Speaker 7: and they're gonna pitch Andre Drummond, You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: I floaded the idea. My boy Andre Drummond, by the way,

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Speaker 8: Jokim Noah vibes with the drumming thing. This fan base,

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Speaker 2: Mike, listen, we'll take five hundred. Okay, we'll take five

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Speaker 2: hundred and a sixth seed in the East. We're good

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Speaker 8: All right, look to the standings. You guys are are

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Speaker 8: I love to draw the Knicks in the first round.

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Speaker 8: That would be amazing nice. So four to five, let's

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Speaker 2: The If the Knicks win that series, will it settle

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Speaker 2: the debate once and for all that Julius Randall is

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Speaker 8: I will concede that. Tell you what if if Julius

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Speaker 8: Randall's Knicks beat not Chris Bosh is Miami youth just

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Speaker 5: Okay, I will concede that.

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Speaker 8: Yes I will, And then you but but here's the bet.

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Speaker 8: You just have to admit that Julius Randall is Julius

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Speaker 8: Randall if he loses, that's all I need. Not Orange, Julius,

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Speaker 8: not the guy that that were like when fans crammed

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Speaker 8: back into the Mecca, are going to chant his name

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Speaker 8: like they did for Bobby Portis last year. Right, all right,

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Speaker 8: it's Julius Randall, twenty six years old.

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Speaker 2: It's a total upside play for me. I mean, all

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Speaker 2: I have to do is say, Julius Randall, and Julius Randall.

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Speaker 2: You up to acknowledge Randall's out of the boss.

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Speaker 5: Yes, just look, I got.

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Speaker 2: Carried that one, miked, No, no, no, no, no no. I

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Speaker 8: No no, no, no, no no, because I watched Nicks

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Speaker 8: just to admit, hey, we got carried away. It's a

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Speaker 8: just had his first All Star. Maybe Julius Randall isn't

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Speaker 8: for a Knicks fan to be rational is actually like

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Speaker 8: the actual grand prize here, Mike.

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Speaker 2: The beauty of what Riley did yesterday was. He got

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Speaker 6: He got those guys without giving up any of the

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Speaker 6: up nothing. He upgraded from Kelly Olennox to Victor Oladipo,

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Speaker 6: which is a massive upgrade in an Eastern conference that

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Speaker 6: you just mentioned that Heat got through last year without

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Speaker 2: The East is a bit better, but the heater a bit.

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Speaker 8: Better, the heater a lot better. Look at Victor Oladipo's

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Speaker 8: back to being Victor Oladipo, the all world perimeter defender.

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Speaker 8: If he can do that for Miami, that's massive. Forget

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Speaker 8: the point of attack defense that Avery Bradley would bring

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Speaker 2: You a little worried here. You're the seventh seed right now,

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Speaker 6: Listen, You're you're a game out of being the four seed,

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Speaker 6: but you're also a game out of not being a

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Speaker 8: I think with a I think with the moves made yesterday,

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Speaker 8: I feel safe that the Miami Heater.

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Speaker 5: Are going to make the playoffs. Really you are listening? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean I was. I saw you checking.

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Speaker 3: Your dad was.

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Speaker 2: Texting me about that. He was, I mean, my dad

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Speaker 2: was texting me about tea times. He knows I'm tapping

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Speaker 2: right now. I don't understand, but I thought you checking

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Speaker 2: your phone. Do you want to test me on what

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Speaker 2: it is that you said?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I said that the Miami Heater gonna and and

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Speaker 8: you were like, really, I feel like that's not a

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Speaker 8: hot take, and you pressed me on it like it was.

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Speaker 2: I well, I'm not certain they're gonna make the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: The Bulls got a little bit better. The Raptors are

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Speaker 6: still lurking around. They could get hot.

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Speaker 2: The Pacers off to the quietest twenty twenty three start

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Speaker 6: I mean, my team's got better yesterday. Now the Horns. Well,

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Speaker 6: but the Pacers got great coaching.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who it is, but that team with

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Speaker 5: The Pacers got worse. TJ. Warrens out for the year.

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Speaker 2: Now, Oh wow, TJ. Warren can drop forty on you

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Speaker 8: Please, all right, we're showing our ass here. Let's get

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Speaker 2: Please a metal with us, as is Tom Haberstrow. Mike

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Speaker 2: thinks the Heat are a playoff team, and I'm telling them,

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Speaker 2: guys at a meet, I'll start with you. He should

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Speaker 2: be a little bit more. Nice move with Victor Oladipo

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Speaker 2: yesterday didn't give up a lot, but the Pacers are lurking.

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Speaker 2: The Raptors are lurking, and the Bulls got a lot

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Speaker 3: Well, I just love that.

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Speaker 9: Like the Pacers are off to the quietest twenty and

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Speaker 9: Pacers do, always the quietest in NBA history. Like they

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Speaker 9: like they're thirty five and seven it's the quiet thirty

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it works both ways. If they were seven

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's a one trick pony there.

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Speaker 3: That's Tugatsian for nobody cares right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly right. I mean, how much better did

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Speaker 2: He got a great player and he got it for

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Speaker 2: next to nothing.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he got he got what you guys talked about

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Speaker 9: when they got Aresa. They got some guys at someone

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Speaker 9: an old vet, right, And I know all the DEEPO

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Speaker 9: technically isn't old, but that body's old given what he's

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Speaker 9: This is a guy I heard Mike talking about his defense. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: like once upon a time, But we haven't seen that.

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Speaker 9: We haven't seen in Houston, we haven't seen it in

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Speaker 9: this is really a flyer on someone who if he

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Speaker 9: can get it back together. Wow, what a steal, right,

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Speaker 9: because you gave up two guys that were in and

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Speaker 9: I'm getting two guys that weren't really playing, weren't like

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Speaker 9: he's better than either of those two guys. And then

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Speaker 9: the other part, this is the funny part. This is

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Speaker 9: we got a pick swap with Miami. You're fucking trash.

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Speaker 9: That swap is never gonna come into play. You're a

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Speaker 9: no swap like that was just something to let people know. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: that's what we got for all the deep But that's

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Speaker 9: why you know, we didn't get krislar Burt because we

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Speaker 9: that's cool. LaMarcus Aldridge rumored conjecture, Right, it becomes I

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Speaker 9: guess again, it's the same thing. He's coming for free

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Speaker 9: for minimum. So if he can give you it's like

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Speaker 9: the Blake grippin the Brooklyn thing, it gives you one

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Speaker 9: good playoff game paid for himself, right.

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Speaker 3: Just that one game.

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Speaker 9: Lamark's orders has sixteen points in the third quarter, right,

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Speaker 3: It paid for itself.

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Speaker 2: So it's he won't have that game, Like I feel

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Speaker 5: Game right against Julius Randall.

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Speaker 2: You motherfucker Inference finals on.

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Speaker 4: We didn't talk about euro Josh McRoberts Belly.

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Speaker 2: It's really fun to watch.

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Speaker 4: He's a player and he can shoot the hell out

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Speaker 2: You get a guy that.

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Speaker 4: You won sixty plus games with in San Antonio and

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Speaker 4: Hey remember when we won sixty plus games together. Let's

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Speaker 9: See we're supposed to be sobering up, Mike and Tom

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Speaker 3: Hey, would you.

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Speaker 9: Like some of this culture right shimming on the on

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Speaker 9: to that another level real quick. On be Elita, you

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Speaker 9: call them euro Josh McRoberts. I think he's better than that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but I'm trying to give something to Peg for

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Speaker 3: I would say, well.

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Speaker 5: Roberts, yeah for the injury.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm proud to think who would he be because

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Speaker 8: So is he more athletic kel or not, but probably

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Speaker 3: Can make plays and makes you.

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Speaker 9: As a team that values passing, he's another great passer.

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Speaker 4: And I also think with Victor Oladipo, you have to

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Speaker 4: point shooting team of all time in Houston. They had

437
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Speaker 4: four guys around him that could not shoot. They definitely

438
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Speaker 4: have the record for most miss threes per game.

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Speaker 9: Hold on, but Shaq said, you have to I mean,

440
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Speaker 9: Cannice Parker told Shack you have to switch everything in

441
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Speaker 9: the league because everybody's a shooter.

442
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Speaker 3: Well, Shaq's so dumb, Oh dumb, Shaq.

443
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Speaker 4: So Victor Oladipo is trying to create, you know, lemons

444
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 4: or trying to create lemonade out of lemons there in Houston.

445
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Speaker 4: He doesn't have the spacers that you know, he doesn't.

446
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Speaker 4: He didn't have a Duncan Robinson on the Houston Rockets

447
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Speaker 4: for example. Not saying the Miami heat are you know,

448
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Speaker 4: flooded with shooters. They're not. But I think when you

449
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Speaker 4: looked at Victor Oladipo's drives and his shooting percentages, He's

450
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Speaker 4: going into a lot of traffic, and teams aren't incentivized

451
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Speaker 4: to go help out on the perimeter because it's a miss.

452
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a miss, so they camp out in

453
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Speaker 4: the paint and Victor Adepo's going into trees. So I

454
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Speaker 4: still am a little weary about his athleticism at this

455
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Speaker 4: stage after that knee injury. His dunk rate has fallen

456
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Speaker 4: by sixty percent. He is not the same athlete as

457
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Speaker 4: the one that we saw be a lockdown defender in

458
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Speaker 4: the past, or the one who was in a dunk competition.

459
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Speaker 4: So those days are gone for Victor o Ladipa. But

460
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Speaker 4: remember he does go see David Alexander in Miami. That's

461
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Speaker 4: his guy. That's his trainer who has helped build up

462
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Speaker 4: his body since the knee injury. So you have that

463
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Speaker 4: in Miami as well, so maybe you can see him,

464
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Speaker 4: you know, get stronger in the Miami Heat culture and

465
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Speaker 4: also have a little bit more space to operate with

466
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Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler, bam Adebayo and Duncan Robinson out there tricks.

467
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Speaker 8: I mean, they're they're really encouraging numbers over the last

468
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Speaker 8: month for Victor olad depot he could do better with

469
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Speaker 8: the efficiency, but I mean as recent as his final

470
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Speaker 8: game with the Houston Rockets, there were flashes of the

471
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Speaker 8: other Victor Oladipo. I don't think he's going to be

472
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Speaker 8: the same explosive player, but this is a guy that's

473
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Speaker 8: been trying to force his way to Miami seemingly for

474
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Speaker 8: two years. Dwayne Wade low key what a mover and

475
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Speaker 8: shaker in the NBA, getting Jimmy Butler laying the foundation there,

476
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Speaker 8: and Victor Oladipo can turn out to be a player.

477
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Speaker 8: I imagine Victor Oladipo is going to find himself even

478
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Speaker 8: more in Miami Heat uniform.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you know, it's funny, Dwayne Wade.

480
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Speaker 9: As long as the guy either played for Marquette or

481
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Speaker 9: played for Tom Crane.

482
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Speaker 3: You guys are answer Anthony Edwards.

483
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Speaker 5: Blocks already take as our guy Dwayne Wade.

484
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Speaker 9: We'll bring him home. No, I think Oladipo. It's it's

485
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Speaker 9: exactly you know what I said at the beginning. It's

486
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Speaker 9: a it's a by low and this could turn out

487
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Speaker 9: to be a huge kind of payoff. And if it

488
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Speaker 9: doesn't pay off, so you gave up Kelly Olinic and

489
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Speaker 9: Avery Bradley. I mean, those are good players. They'll get

490
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Speaker 9: me wrong, but like, I'm not like weeping over all.

491
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Speaker 3: My god, I.

492
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Speaker 9: Can't believe we gave up the rights to this guy

493
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Speaker 9: who's gonna could have been this or that.

494
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Speaker 3: I think you're pretty much guaranteed to.

495
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Speaker 9: Be as good as you were going to be before

496
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Speaker 9: the trade, So it's a worthwhile risk.

497
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Speaker 2: Tom.

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Speaker 6: What's the what's the ceiling with the moves that the

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Speaker 6: Heat made getting Victor Oladipo and then looking at the

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Speaker 6: landscape and what the rest of the Eastern Conference did.

501
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Speaker 6: I guess the ceiling without Oladipo was they made it

502
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Speaker 6: to the NBA Finals last year. What is the ceiling?

503
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Speaker 6: Where do you see this Heat team? Kind of fitting

504
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Speaker 6: in in the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 4: I still think the ceiling is the NBA Finals. When

506
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Speaker 4: you talk about sixteen win players. They still have bam

507
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Speaker 4: Adebayo and Jimmy Butler and Gorn Drogers. They all have

508
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Speaker 4: to be healthy in order to reach that ceiling. I

509
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Speaker 4: think you can say that for a lot of East teams.

510
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Speaker 4: But I think one of the things you have to

511
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Speaker 4: remember is this This offense was awful. It's been awful

512
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Speaker 4: this season, and they needed offensive players and Victor Oladipo

513
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Speaker 4: and the elites are those guys if they're healthy and

514
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Speaker 4: playing up to their potential. So I think their ceiling

515
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 4: is just about the same as last year. A lot

516
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Speaker 4: of things had to break right for them last year

517
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Speaker 4: in the playoffs. But you know, Tyler Hero, if he

518
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Speaker 4: can play like he did last night, this team is

519
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Speaker 4: gonna be a lot better going into the playoffs. They

520
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Speaker 4: have Trevor Reza. You want to know why they got

521
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Speaker 4: Trevor Ariza. Watch what they did last night with him.

522
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Speaker 4: He just he just completely smothered Damian Lillard. And if

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Speaker 4: it weren't for the referees, I think the heat pulled

524
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Speaker 4: that game last night. So Trevor Resa was hounding him

525
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Speaker 4: ninety four feet last night and they had to go

526
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Speaker 4: to CJ. McCollum a lot down the stretch. So I

527
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Speaker 4: think that's another nice pickup for the Heat if they

528
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Speaker 4: if they can keep Trevor Reza healthy after not playing

529
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Speaker 4: for basically a year.

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Speaker 6: Tricks, could you guys knock it off with the call

531
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Speaker 6: last night? That call was fine, just one call.

532
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Speaker 4: It was a lot of ticky tack Foyle calls with

533
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Speaker 4: Duncan Robinson and uh down the stretch. But Damian Lillard,

534
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Speaker 4: if he wasn't going to go to the free thrown,

535
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Speaker 4: he was probably gonna go hit like a ton of threes.

536
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Speaker 6: So with that guy, I mean in the at the end,

537
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Speaker 6: why do you think Kyle Lowry was not dealt? What

538
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 6: happened there, what happened in Toronto?

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Speaker 9: I think Bobby Webster, massaia Juri, the guys who are

540
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 9: in charge up in Toronto, they drew a hard and

541
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Speaker 9: fast line in the sand. We need at least this,

542
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Speaker 9: and we're okay with walking away with not getting anything

543
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Speaker 9: for him. And from what I understand from the Lakers,

544
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Speaker 9: it was thht and from the the Heat it was

545
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Speaker 9: taler Hero and the heat wouldn't budge and the Lakers

546
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Speaker 9: would budget, so they basically called the bluff and Masia said,

547
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Speaker 9: all right, we're not going to do it. And then

548
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Speaker 9: sometimes sometimes you got to do that, I think, to

549
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Speaker 9: send the message to people around the league you can't

550
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Speaker 9: wait me out. I'll take an l on this one,

551
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Speaker 9: so that the next negotiation we do, people will know, hey,

552
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Speaker 9: he's serious, he's crazy enough to do it.

553
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Speaker 8: It was Rachel Nichols on the jump that kind of

554
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Speaker 8: shed light on this whole Kawhi stuff. And I know

555
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 8: you've been pumping the brakes, but you're also mayor of

556
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 8: Heat Island guy, and you made a point to mention

557
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Speaker 8: that the tie between Aldridge and Kawhi Leonard, the Kyle

558
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 8: Lowry thing, I think is super interesting that he wanted

559
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 8: to go to Miami, Jimmy Butler, LaMarcus Aldridge, they were

560
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 8: under Jordan contracts and shoe tours together with Kawhi Leonard.

561
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Speaker 4: What was even know about this? How deep did you

562
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Speaker 4: go there?

563
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Speaker 8: They were Jordan guys, they went on shoe tours together,

564
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Speaker 8: they did press together.

565
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Speaker 5: So I mean, I guess they're friends.

566
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Speaker 8: And if you want something a little bit more concrete

567
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 8: than that, then just press junkets, which are a dime

568
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 8: a dozen. It's who did Kawhi Leonard pick up the

569
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Speaker 8: phone and call first to partner up with Jimmy Butler.

570
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Speaker 8: Jimmy Butler, not Paul George. So I didn't even think

571
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Speaker 8: this Kawhi thing was real. And then you peel back

572
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 8: the layers and you see the Kawhi, the Kyle Lowry

573
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 8: insistence on Miami over Los Angeles, and you start to wonder,

574
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Speaker 8: do people know something? Is this actually in play? So,

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm obviously doing the fan theory thing where

576
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 8: I'm photoshopping people in the uniforms, But for this thing

577
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Speaker 8: to come out of nowhere all of a sudden and

578
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Speaker 8: us not hear a peap about it, that kind of

579
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 8: actually falls in line with what the Heat kind of

580
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 8: do when they make moves like this.

581
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Speaker 9: Well, guys, let me tell you this. Let's tell you

582
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 9: a story about two thousand and eight.

583
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Speaker 5: There's my mayor.

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Speaker 2: You know, is that the prop you were reaching for?

585
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: The cigar?

586
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 5: That's my mayoral, my proper cigar.

587
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 9: There. Two thousand and eight, everybody knew the Miami Heat

588
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 9: were clearing out cap space for a big twenty ten.

589
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 9: No one knew who they were going to try and get.

590
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 9: They just thought they were getting in line like everybody else.

591
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 9: But what ended up happening was a connection that was

592
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 9: born in the Olympics. Right on international travels overseas, guys

593
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 9: became friends and lo and behold. Two years later they

594
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Speaker 9: pull off the biggest free agency hall in the history

595
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Speaker 9: of the NBA.

596
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: And I'm here to tell.

597
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Speaker 9: You, constituents of this fair municipality that we call Heat Island,

598
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 9: that history has a tendency to repeat itself.

599
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 2: So you're in on the k.

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Speaker 3: And here's why. Let me tell you something. I'm a teacher, guys,

601
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: something about what.

602
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 2: Gave it away, Mike, the leaning back and the pumping

603
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: and a cigar is the prop and really hammered the

604
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: point home it was helping were doing.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you why, ladies and gentlemen. Why. And I'm

606
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Speaker 3: gonna learn you something called NBA media speak. Right.

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Speaker 9: I'm not talking about your people on Twitter. Oh, I

608
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 9: have seventeen thousand followers and I hear source. No, no, no,

609
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 9: talking about the heavyweights, right, I'm talking about people.

610
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Speaker 3: Like Rachel Nichols.

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Speaker 9: Rachel Nichols does not drop things, kind of just grabbing

612
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 9: from the sky, Rachel brings up that name. She didn't say, hey,

613
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Speaker 9: a free agency class that is headlined by Kawi Leonard.

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Speaker 3: She went right to Kawi Leonard. And when you do that,

615
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: when you're Rachel Nichols and you.

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Speaker 9: Do that, that is the I'm not breaking news, but

617
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Speaker 9: I'm just letting you know that this is on the radar,

618
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 9: and the same way that people knew leading up to

619
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Speaker 9: twenty ten that hey, they might be trying to get

620
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 9: a couple of these guys, but nobody really knew. Now

621
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Speaker 9: I've done the homework, gentlemen, of pulling up all the

622
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Speaker 9: free agents coming up in twenty twenty one, whether they

623
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Speaker 9: have a restrictive free agency, an unrestricted pre agency, or

624
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 9: a player option on them. I didn't count the team

625
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 9: option guys because you don't want them. That's not who

626
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 9: we're talking about here. And the names that I have

627
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 9: on this list are Kawhi Leonard. And then we take

628
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 9: a dip. It goes to Kyle Lowry, it goes to

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Speaker 9: DeMar Derozen, it goes to Victor Oladipo, it goes to

630
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Speaker 9: Andre Drummond, and then we take another dip and we're

631
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Speaker 9: talking about the Norman Palells and the Mandrez Harrell's of

632
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 9: the world. But I say all this is say, guys,

633
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 9: there is one big fish in the sea, or you

634
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 9: might call him a whale, and who's the best whale hunter?

635
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: You know, kow whale.

636
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Speaker 3: Quail.

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Speaker 4: So to throw some cold water on this, I texted

638
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Speaker 4: Within It executive last night. I said, what are the

639
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: chances that Kawhi Leonard becomes available this summer? He has

640
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 4: a player option next next year, you can decline that

641
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: become a free agent. He said less than one percent.

642
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know, I don't think. I

643
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 4: don't think people are properly estimating the fact that the

644
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: La Clippers. We're dealing with that right now is the

645
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 4: Clippers going into the playoffs with Rondo. If playoff Ronto

646
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 4: doesn't show up, that deal is a disaster. Because what

647
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: we saw with Dallas Mavericks and Rick Carlisle a few

648
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 4: years ago, things can flame out very fast with Ragon

649
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: Rondo if it isn't great. If it's either going to

650
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 4: be amazing or it's going to be a disaster. With Rondo,

651
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 4: there is no in between. Secondly, he did not sign

652
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Speaker 4: an extension when Paul George signed in an extension. And

653
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: I think people around the league also noted that is

654
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: Paul George signs a four year extension with the with

655
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: the Clippers in December and Kawhi Leonards still has not

656
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: done that. I don't know what that means in terms

657
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: of this summer, but he could have signed an extension.

658
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: He didn't.

659
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 5: So the other thing I want to.

660
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Speaker 4: Point out is by not putting Tyler Hero into the

661
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: deal for Kyle Lowry, and by the Golden State Warriors

662
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: not putting in any sort of or making a deal

663
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: at the deadline, everybody in the league is watching Bradley Beal.

664
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: Everyone in the league is watching what happens with Bradley

665
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 4: Beal at four games out of the ten spot in

666
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference, even the chance to get into play

667
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: in This is a really bad Wizards team, and I

668
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 4: think a lot of teams out there are looking at

669
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 4: the Bradley Beal situation and keeping the powder dry for

670
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: those assets to put into a trade. Can the Miami

671
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: Heat get Bradley Beal if he was made available, I

672
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 4: don't know. With a deal around Tyler Hero, I don't

673
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 4: think that's gonna cut it. Do you put Bam out

674
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: of Bio in a deal for Bradley Beal. I don't

675
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: think you do. So who is it out there that

676
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: the Miami Heat see as their big whale this summer.

677
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 4: I think it might be Kawhi Leonard tricks.

678
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: I mean you were shaking your head no during all

679
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: of that.

680
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think there's a Bradley Beal deal to

681
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 9: be meant made for the Heat. The first round pick

682
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 9: situation is really just it knocks you out of any

683
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 9: kind of contention to acquire someone by a trade. So

684
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 9: that's what makes the Kawhi Leonard thing even doubly pressing.

685
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 9: For the Miami Heat, They're going to put a full

686
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 9: core press on him because this is now They're only

687
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 9: in a weird way. Most time we talk about teams

688
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 9: not being able to sign players, the only avenue we.

689
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: Have to acquire players is via trade.

690
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 9: The Heater in the opposite situation, they can't trade for

691
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 9: anybody because they don't have the assets to do it.

692
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 9: The only way they can get a guy is by

693
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 9: a free agency and so Kwhi is going to be

694
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 9: that guy. And remember, you know this isn't the situation

695
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 9: that he signed up for. We saw it all year

696
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 9: long last year, whether him looking disgustedly at Reggie Jackson

697
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 9: kind of vomiting the ball out of bounds, or Paul

698
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 9: George and his endless list of complaints and like finger pointing.

699
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 9: And it wasn't me, it wasn't my fault, it was

700
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 9: my shoulder.

701
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: It was Doc.

702
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 9: I mean, that can't be fun for quiet look around

703
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 9: and say this isn't quite these powerhouse that I thought

704
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 9: I was going to be building here, that would I

705
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 9: mean he chose.

706
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: Well, he didn't choose like Mike said, well, not.

707
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: First, but eventually he chosen, but settled.

708
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: He settled. And the guy that you could have had,

709
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: but you settled for the other guy. You look at

710
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: what he's doing over there. You look how happy he is.

711
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: You look how fu billed he is, You look how

712
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: successful they are.

713
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 9: And you got an opportunity two years later say you know,

714
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 9: maybe Maya Kolpak, can I get a mulligan?

715
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: I'll join you over there. I think it's a game changer.

716
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 4: Another thing on this is Dan Craig. People outside of

717
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: Miami Heat might not know who Dan Craig is, but

718
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: he is a future head coach in the league. In

719
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 4: the Eric Spolster tree and they let him go leave

720
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: the the the confines of American Airlines Arena to go

721
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 4: where the Clippers.

722
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 8: That's that's hustling and reverse.

723
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: I love that ship. No, no, I love that Tommy

724
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 2: all together.

725
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: What you're saying, they didn't let him go take any job.

726
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: They let him him there.

727
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 9: Yes, have you guys ever seen have you ever seen

728
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 9: the movie The Manchurian Candidate?

729
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 8: Look it up, kid, I mean you said the Miami Heats.

730
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 8: I mean you said, the Miami Heat don't have the asset.

731
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 8: So are you just making Tyler Hero what he was

732
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 8: the first half of the season, Because Tyler Hero last

733
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 8: postseason was absolutely the type of player that could be

734
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 8: a centerpiece in a Bradley Beal deal.

735
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 9: There's two things going on there. One is my valuation

736
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 9: of Tyler Hero is a lot lower than I think

737
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 9: what a lot of people either in Miami, around my

738
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 9: or you know, media pundits have it. Going into the season.

739
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 9: My buddy Kendrick Perkins said Tyler Hero is gonna be

740
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 9: an All Star and I said, you're out of your mind.

741
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 3: He's not that good. I'm not saying he's not good,

742
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: he's not that good. That word that is very important.

743
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 9: So part of it is that part of it is

744
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 9: even with even if he is as good as as

745
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 9: you guys feel, he is a future All Star, that's

746
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 9: not enough.

747
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: That's not how deals work in this league.

748
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 9: Because I want to think about Anthony David, right, Andy Davis.

749
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 9: They got a future All Star in uh Brandon Ingram,

750
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 9: but they also got Lonzo Paul, they got Josh Hart.

751
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 9: They got three first round picks and two pick swaps.

752
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 9: Like that's the going rate. You gotta give me some

753
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 9: other assets. You can't just say well, Tyler Herro and

754
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 9: just sit back and salar.

755
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 5: Fieller opposite end of the spectrum.

756
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 8: Look what James Harden just went for a mean sometimes job.

757
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 9: He still went, but he's still like I get it.

758
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 9: It's four nets first round picks that aren't gonna be great.

759
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 9: But they kind of the Rockets fucked that up on

760
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 9: their own. They could have gotten Carrousel Burt and probably

761
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 9: Garrett Allen and stopped there and taking the picks and

762
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 9: be like, okay, that's the deal. They had a crazy

763
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 9: owner who wanted dumb ass shit, and that's what happened, right,

764
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 9: But the idea is that they still got those four

765
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 9: first round picks, and if something goes wrong for the Nets,

766
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 9: because it could happen.

767
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 8: Tom the grand stage of the playoffs, though, inflates everybody's value.

768
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 8: You want to talk about first round draft picks, prescious Atchewa,

769
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 8: Tyler Hero, they can all of a sudden become a

770
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 8: lot more valuable than what a late round first round

771
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 8: draft pick.

772
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 4: Well, I want to clarify one thing. I believe the

773
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 4: pickswap that the Heat gave to Houston actually pickswaps with

774
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 4: the Brooklyn Nets pick. So if the Brooklyn Nets have

775
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 4: a better record than the Miami Heat, they can actually

776
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: pickswap it with the Heat and get a little bit

777
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 4: better value out of that Nets pick in a couple

778
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 4: of years. So it's not a huge pickswap like it,

779
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: it's not a big deal. It's maybe a couple slots

780
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 4: and the Heat don't lose their pick, they just have

781
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 4: to swap it. Secondly, Tyler Hero, if you go to

782
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 4: five thirty eight dot com, which takes the player stats

783
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 4: and compares them to player stats from from the past,

784
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: historical comps based on age and your abilities on the floor. Statistically,

785
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 4: the top NBA comp for Tyler Hero is Jamal Murray.

786
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 4: The second highest comp for Tyler Hero is Bradley Beal.

787
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 4: It's not one hundred percent, but when you're talking about

788
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 4: a kid that young producing in the playoffs, you can

789
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: see how you can look at a guy like Jamal

790
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: Murray who's a borderline All Star player, and then Bradley Beal,

791
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 4: who just started the All Star Like, you can see

792
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 4: that there's a ceiling there. Statistically, I don't think he

793
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 4: gets there. Bradley Beal is one of the best players

794
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 4: on the planet, but there is statistical backing to say

795
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: that Tyler Hero has an All Star borderline All Star future.

796
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 4: Now when you talk about Precious Chua, you talk about

797
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: Tyler Hero. Duncan Robinson isn't really a prospect anymore. I

798
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 4: just don't think it's gonna trump. Whatever the Golden State

799
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 4: Warriors put on the table for Bradley Beal, they would

800
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: put on the table that Minnesota pick, which is top

801
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 4: four protected this summer. It could be the number five

802
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 4: pick in a loaded draft this summer. And also James Wiseman,

803
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: I think has a higher seion than Tyler Hero. So

804
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: if you're the Washington Wizards and you're looking at what

805
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: the Heat can offer. I just don't think it's gonna

806
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 4: trump whatever Golden State has.

807
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: Who is that high respect blue board guys, I want

808
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: to shift gears here. Just over to the Western Conference.

809
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 6: I thought one of the more intriguing deals yesterday was well,

810
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 6: the Magic I don't know what the hell they were doing,

811
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 6: but I thought one of the deals that was a

812
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 6: major upgrade was Gordon to the Nuggets.

813
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: I think it gives them an added scorer.

814
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 6: I think it gives them a guy you can gore

815
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 6: to Lebron if they make it that far, if they

816
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 6: end up facing the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals

817
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 6: or Western Conference semifinals. What'd you guys make of that move?

818
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 6: I thought that was a pretty interesting move by the Nuggets.

819
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're looking at they're replacing Jeremy Grant, like

820
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 4: they traded Jeremy Grant to Detroit, basically letting him go.

821
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: Jeremy Grant having a great year in Detroit, coming down

822
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: a little bit recently, but they're replacing him on the roster.

823
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: They didn't have a defender like Jeremy Grant on this

824
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: team who can block shots on the weak side, who's

825
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 4: strong enough and versatile to guard those big wings in

826
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 4: the Western Conference like Kawhi, Paul George, and Lebron. That's

827
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: a really nice deal for Denver. And they still kept

828
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 4: Michael Porter Junior, which was interesting. You're able to swing

829
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 4: for a real difference maker without giving up your best

830
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 4: prospect on the team. Again, like I think a lot

831
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: of teams are holding their best assets here in case

832
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: Bradley Beal becomes available this summer and that's and that's

833
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: a big deal. That's a big move for Denver at

834
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 4: the deadline. But I still of all the trade deadline

835
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 4: moves that happen, I don't know if anything really shook

836
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: up the top of the NBA like Rondo to the

837
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 4: to the Clippers, like Aaron Gordon to Denver. I don't

838
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: think it's really going to change things the pecking order

839
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: in the at the top at the NBA Championship ods.

840
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: But I do think that's a really nice pickup for Denver.

841
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 4: Change the scenery bump very real when it comes to

842
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 4: the Orlando.

843
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Speaker 6: Tom The only thing I'll disagree with there is maybe

844
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 6: it does change the pecking order a bit if Lebron

845
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 6: and or Anthony Davis don't come back and they're not healthy.

846
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it changes stuff a little bit.

847
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 5: I don't know.

848
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 4: With you, man, I think not enough people are talking

849
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 4: about the injuries with Anthony Davis and Lebron James are

850
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 4: just assuming that in a month and a half they're

851
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: gonna a hund percent healthy. The number one predictor of

852
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 4: injury is previous injury. And so when you see Lebron

853
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 4: James going out with a high ankle spring, he's out

854
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: for a month, it's not so much that he's gonna

855
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: be out for a month, is that that might have

856
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 4: a reinjury or an aggravation injury later on. And the

857
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: same thing with Anthony Davis and his achilles issue in

858
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 4: his calf issue. We saw the same thing with KD.

859
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 4: He was out for a month plus with a calf

860
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: issue and then he tore his achilles. And it wasn't necessarily, Hey,

861
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: he's only out for a month, He'll be back and fine.

862
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: It was that he came back to early to rescue

863
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: their championship hopes and then a disaster struck. That is

864
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: what worries me about the Los Angeles Lakers is the

865
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: reinjury factor of Anthony Davis and Lebron James. For the

866
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: championship stretch.

867
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Speaker 7: Tom, How big of a deal is it that the

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Speaker 7: Lakers didn't make a deal? Everybody else in the West

869
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 7: seemed to get a little bit better and the Lakers

870
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Speaker 7: just kind of stayed put.

871
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Speaker 4: They don't really have much to offer outside of THHT. So,

872
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Speaker 4: I mean cal Kuzma. I don't think that people around

873
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Speaker 4: the league value cal Kuzma as much as Lebron does

874
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Speaker 4: on his Twitter feed, and so when you look at

875
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Speaker 4: the value that they have, it's not great. And so

876
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Speaker 4: so the same deal with the Clippers. They don't have

877
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Speaker 4: much to offer. And man, they put two picks in

878
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: that deal to get Rondo.

879
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Speaker 2: Rondo.

880
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 4: Rondo, like statistically is one of the worst players in

881
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 4: the NBA this season, and they give up Lou Williams

882
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 4: and to uh, two draft picks to get that player.

883
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 4: I'm as big of a believer as playoff Rondo as anybody,

884
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 4: But man, the Clippers have nothing left to offer any

885
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 4: team when it comes to UH, when it comes to

886
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 4: striking another deal, they're they're basically tapped out here.

887
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 2: Damn, I didn't ask my Norman Powell question. Fuck underrated move? Tom?

888
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: Is that not an underrated move? Norman Powell Blazers. They

889
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: get Nurkic back. McCollum's healthy. Now they get powers great Nurkic.

890
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 2: Who cares? I think the Blazers could be in the

891
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: NBA finals. If so?

892
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Speaker 4: Did you do the They're gonna make some noise? Is

893
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Speaker 4: can make the finals higher on the pecking order than

894
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Speaker 4: make some noise in the playoffs?

895
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Speaker 6: No, nothing is higher than making some noise in the playoffs,

896
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Speaker 6: because it doesn't even matter if you win a series

897
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Speaker 6: or if you like, if you just extend someone out

898
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 6: to a seventh game. That's making a little noise for

899
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 6: an eight seed, you know, And there's nothing like making

900
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 6: a little noise in the playoffs. I'd rather make a

901
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Speaker 6: little noise than make it to the NBA Finals.

902
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Speaker 4: I can't make the NBA finals way higher on the

903
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Speaker 4: on the on the chart that right. I like the

904
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Speaker 4: pick up. They gave up a good player and Gary

905
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 4: Change Junior who balled out in the playoffs last year.

906
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 4: Norm Powell's a really really good UH player. But I

907
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 4: think it's not a difference maker. It's not going to

908
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: move the needle. And I just love the fact that

909
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 4: right afterward, like almost wrapping up this thing. The question

910
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: you were dying to ask. The panel was about Norman Powell.

911
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 4: It's just like, it's just classic. That's great.

912
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I have him on my fantasy team, and

913
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: he's exceeded every single expectation I've ever had, and I

914
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: so this is what happens. I get very upset when

915
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 2: the guy.

916
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Speaker 6: Like Fournier goes from the magic to the ball or

917
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 6: to the Celtics, because he was averaging like twenty two

918
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 6: a game with a magic over his last time, and

919
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Speaker 6: now he's gonna be like the fourth option on the Celtics.

920
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Speaker 2: And so my fantasy team really took a hit yesterday,

921
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Speaker 2: which is why I was asking about Norman. But I

922
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Speaker 2: had him.

923
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Speaker 6: Now he goes to the Blazers and he's behind CJ

924
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Speaker 6: and Dame in terms of the pecking war.

925
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Speaker 4: This feels like when I had like Cameron Maban on

926
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: my baseball fantasy baseball team and I was like, this

927
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 4: guy's gonna be a forty to forty guy, and then

928
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 4: suddenly be like, wait, did I really think Cameron Maban

929
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 4: was gonna win me my fantasy baseball league. Yeah, it's

930
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Speaker 4: not a healthy We all fantasy baseball is like real, real,

931
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 4: real life sports.

932
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all went in on maybe at some point,

933
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: way too high, way too early in the draft. Tommy, thanks,

934
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Speaker 2: thanks for doing this. We appreciate having you guys. Anything

935
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Speaker 2: you want to promote.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the Haber Show Pod with Ethan Strauss, we talk

937
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Speaker 4: all about Steve Kerr and that KD tweet and Drew Schiller.

938
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Speaker 4: Why did Steve Kerr go after that guy? No one

939
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: knows this team better than Ethan Strauss, who has his

940
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Speaker 4: Victory Machine book out in paperback and we talk all

941
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Speaker 4: about his new chapter. On The Haber Show with Meen

942
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943
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Speaker 6: All right, not ites a busy time for you, so

945
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Speaker 6: we appreciate the time. Thank you, and have a great

946
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Speaker 6: weekend mon too.

947
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Speaker 3: But I love.

948
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Speaker 6: All right, Explain to me what happened with the Orlando Magic.

949
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 6: What did they do yesterday? Did they get better?

950
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: I mean, what what they can?

951
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 6: Listen, they're an eight seed and nine seed of ten

952
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 6: seed every year they traded away all their major parts.

953
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: I mean, why did they do that?

954
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 4: Well?

955
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Speaker 9: I mean, I think for me, uh, this is the

956
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 9: biggest question that any franchise can answer, and every player

957
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 9: can answer. If you answer correctly, everything works out for you.

958
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 9: If you answer incorrectly, you funk around. It's who am I?

959
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 9: Who are we?

960
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: The Orlando Magic looked at us, like, who are we?

961
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 9: We're a team that if everything breaks right, we might

962
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 9: be in the playing tournament.

963
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 3: Okay, and the right.

964
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 9: To get shellacked by the by the nets of the sixers,

965
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 9: that's it's not a meaningful thing. It doesn't take us anywhere.

966
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 9: We're not advancing as a franchise. We're kind of stuck

967
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 9: where we are. Where they were was as good as

968
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 9: they were gonna get. You ask the other day Vusovich,

969
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 9: Oh shit, did he get Vusovich? And I said, I

970
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 9: don't think he's a guy who went packs winning. I

971
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Speaker 9: think Orlando looked at his it. I don't think he's

972
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 9: a guy in packs winning either, and said, Hey, you're

973
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 9: gonna give me Wendell Carter Junior, who is hasn't played

974
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 9: well in Chicago but is super young and has upside.

975
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 9: You're giving me Otto porter that's just filler. But you're

976
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 9: giving me two first round picks this year, top four protected. Okay,

977
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 9: that basically Chicago is going to send them either a

978
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 9: low lottery pick or something outside of the lot. They're

979
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 9: not going to send them a top because it can't

980
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 9: get to five, six or seven. For them, it's either

981
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 9: top four or it's going to be twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

982
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 9: stuff like that. But two years from now, that pick

983
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 9: is completely unprotected, and so you're telling me, oh, cht

984
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 9: have everything under control in two years.

985
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: I'll take that bet for a guy.

986
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 9: Who is on the wrong side of thirty and is

987
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 9: a terrible defensive player, and I think, my opinion, someone

988
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 9: who offensively gets stats but doesn't move the needle as

989
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 9: far as making your team successful as a centerpiece.

990
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 3: That was great return on value.

991
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 9: The Aaron Gordon one is more interesting because I thought

992
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 9: they could have gotten more. We talk about a guy

993
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 9: who's twenty five years old, under contract for two years,

994
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 9: eighteen million dollars this year, sixteen next year, and a

995
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 9: kind of jack of all trades who can do a

996
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 9: little bit of everything. I thought they could have got

997
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 9: a little bit more. Gary Harris was a guy who

998
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 9: came into this league as a shooter, and the first

999
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 9: four years or five years of his career he shot

1000
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 9: like thirty seven percent from three and you're like, okay, decent,

1001
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 9: and in the last few years, last three years here

1002
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 9: he's fallen off a cliff. I believe, if I'm looking

1003
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Speaker 9: at this right, the last three years he shot something

1004
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 9: like thirty one percent from three when you combine it

1005
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 9: all or excuse me, thirty thirty two and a half percent.

1006
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Speaker 9: So it's a it's a case of, well, can he

1007
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Speaker 9: regain what he once was when he came out of

1008
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 9: this league?

1009
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Speaker 3: Maybe? RJ. Hampton, he's young, could he become something? Maybe?

1010
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Speaker 9: And then what I guess they got a protective first

1011
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 9: round pick in twenty twenty five. I thought it was

1012
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 9: a decent haul for Gordon, but just I would have

1013
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 9: liked to see a lot more.

1014
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 6: I'd like to hear former President Barack Obama's thoughts on

1015
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 6: what transpired with the Bulls. Yesterday's a big Bulls fan,

1016
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Speaker 6: I'd like to hear from him.

1017
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, now today's that will rejoice for people Chicago,

1018
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 10: the greater Chicago on area. As a lifelong Bulls fan,

1019
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 10: I'm happy to see the team take steps to push

1020
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Speaker 10: the team into the future. When you pair Nikolabuzzovich with

1021
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 10: Zach Lavine, that's a help.

1022
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Speaker 3: Of won two punchs folks.

1023
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Speaker 2: Uh.

1024
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Speaker 3: Now, so folks across the out they don't want that.

1025
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Speaker 9: Like Amino Hassan, he says that Nikola Vozovich is just

1026
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 9: a paper all star.

1027
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Speaker 3: But I disagree. I believe in hope, I believe in change.

1028
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Speaker 3: I believe in the Chicago Bulls.

1029
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Speaker 10: God Bless America, God Bless Billy Donovan, and God bless

1030
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Speaker 10: our tourists Cardinates.

1031
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Speaker 3: I can't say his name quite right.

1032
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Speaker 2: Michelle, you know this name.

1033
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Speaker 9: Anyways, you got the idea this is Bronck Obama and

1034
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Speaker 9: I approved this message.

1035
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Speaker 2: I thought they all want to do with God bless

1036
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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, God Bless Michael Jordan, Mikey. He you nailed

1037
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Speaker 2: it two of the three. So that was a bad

1038
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: call on Lillard last night, and I nailed it. We're

1039
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 2: all three told us that Bejka was the guy.

1040
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Speaker 7: One of my favorite things about producing you is watching

1041
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Speaker 7: you drown trying to say names, and I'm standing on

1042
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Speaker 7: the deck of the ship holding the life preserver and

1043
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Speaker 7: I'm never gonna throw it to you. I Am never

1044
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Speaker 7: gonna throw it to you. You are going to drown

1045
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Speaker 7: in some of these names and I'm gonna watch.

1046
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Speaker 2: Well. I appreciate that. Why don't you do why don't

1047
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Speaker 2: you try to pronounce his name because I don't have to, well,

1048
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Speaker 2: neither do I, because the title of this podcast is

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Speaker 2: to Ponoity